User talk:Mith/2011

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Happy Birthday

Just wanted to wish you a Happy Birthday! --Hyarion 14:34, 12 September 2007 (EDT)

Tom Bombadil

Hey, I was just wondering about your Tom Bombadil edits. In the Fellowship of the Ring he certainly bore the ring, if only for about a minute. Does this not count for ring bearer status? If it doesn't then Deagol should probably be taken out too, as he had it for only a few minutes before being murdered. Ælfwine228 01:03, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

We actually had a discussion about this some weeks ago, last night I was only enacting changes which were long agreed by other members.

I personally do not see time or physical holding as the crucial deciding factor, but perceived ownership. Tom did not own the Ring, he borrowed it (and in fact he said, "Show me the precious Ring!" rather than "give"); Déagol, on the other hand, clearly was in ownership of the Ring albeit for a brief period - if Déagol did not own the Ring then Sméagol would not have needed to steal it from him. Déagol says "I found this, and I'm going to keep it" (according to Gandalf).

Furthermore, is physical holding or time is to be crucial deciding factor over whether someone is the Ring-bearer, Gandalf should be included also because he held the Ring in his hand.

Also, if Tom were a Ring-bearer why was he never mentioned as being considered - or even that it could be a possibility - for him to take the ship into the West?--Mith 10:03, 11 October 2008 (UTC)