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Moving articles

Re. "Joseph Wright 19??", just to let you know you should be able to untick the box "Leave a redirect behind" when you move something so there is no redirect left behind for me to delete! --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 16:37, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Good, I'll try think about that in the future (thought it only worked with images)! --Morgan 16:51, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Sauron code

Here you are: "{{Transcribed|Sauron Tengwar Quenya mode.png|Sauron|Tengwar, Quenya mode}}". -- KingAragorn  talk  contribs  edits  email  00:32, 4 January 2012 (UTC)


I cannot find - but thought we might have - an article that lists translations of The Hobbit, The Lord of the Rings etc. Something like this (there's also this website which is useful). Do we have anything like this, and if not, should we have it? --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 10:27, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

I've been thinking about that too - it would be good to have. From what I can remember, we only have (in the case of translations of The Hobbit), the list on the main article itself. Is a sub-page a good option in this case, or would a totally separate article be better (like "The Hobbit translations" perhaps "Index:The Hobbit translations")? --Morgan 11:03, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
I should also say that I think some translations merit their own article, like Hompen.--Morgan 11:06, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
I don't think it should be an index. "Translations of The Hobbit" and "Translations of The Lord of the Rings" etc. should be fine. I agree that some translations should have their own articles where appropriate.-- KingAragorn  talk  contribs  edits  email  12:15, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
NOT Index. --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 13:17, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

Conselho Branco, Sociedade Tolkien

Hi Morgan,
Could you take a look at Conselho Branco, Sociedade Tolkien and provide sources, as according to User:Stbtolkien it includes unreliable and untruthful information. Thank you! --Amroth 16:39, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

It's a very old article, before we started being careful about sources. I had some source back then, but I can't be bothered to find it. Just tag the page with delete if it's questioned.--18:35, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
After looking at the history of the article I see you did add a few sources to the article. Unfortunally it only showed "testa". So I've removed the questioned sentences. --Amroth 19:34, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
While attempting to find a source, I found a Googlecatch entry of the old site by accident:
According to the description the site will be down for an unspecified time. --Amroth 19:53, 16 February 2012 (UTC)


To Morgan- Thank's for informing me Vaire

You're welcome!--Morgan 20:29, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

I changed it so it's not saying to think about what happened Vaire 20:31, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

The Tolkien Journal

Is this a new book or a re-release? --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 10:11, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

A new book, is my guess.--Morgan 10:59, 29 June 2012 (UTC)
It's just all their books are re-releases from the 80s and this one looks old like the others. I can't find any record of it being out before, though (unless it was under a different title). --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 12:05, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

Pal. quote reference.

The reference is from page 422 of Unfinished Tales, The Palantiri ch;

Saruman had no doubt from his investigations gained knowledge of the Stones, things that would attract his attention, and had become convinced that the Orthanc-stone was still intact in its tower.

- Mclaren01 8:55, August 8, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, Maclaren. I've restored your sentence after checking the reference. For future edits, just let me know if you're uncertain about how to add references using the templates and codes -- I would be glad to offer any kind of help.--Morgan 16:12, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
By the way, I didn't add a page number to the reference since the pagination differs between different editions of Unfinished Tales. Our UT template is fairly detailed, however, so it shouldn't be any trouble for people to check a reference just pointing to a section in this book.--Morgan 16:14, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

What are you doing?

What's your rationale behind applying all of these Template:Copyright-unknowns? I put that template on the Parma Eldalamberon covers whilst we wait for permission to use them (I contacted Gilson again today by a different e-mail address). I will get round to going through the WhatLinksHere for Template:Fairuse-cover[former link], so it's not helpful to randomly change the template to Template:Copyright-unknown. Also why did you apply Template:Copyright-unknown for covers with a Fairuse template (+ publisher details) on them? Were they wrong?-- KingAragorn  talk  contribs  edits  email  18:18, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

By the same logic we need to have permission for all covers used on TG. Has anyone contacted HarperCollins etc for permission to use their covers? New Line Cinema? --Morgan 18:22, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
There are numerous channels through which you could have communicated your point; talking is better than vandalising. We don't need permission from every single organisation whose work we use - fairuse is there and we should use it (and not abuse it). My rationale behind contacting the E.L.F. and the Mythopoeic Society (and Mith has sought permission from the Tolkien Society) is simple: they are Tolkien fans like you and I, and they are likely to give us permission. Therefore I'm operating on the principle that if I can contact the copyright holder (in hope of obtaining permission to use their work) then I will. Even if I could contact HarperCollins and New Line Cinema, their lawyers have better things to do than grant (or refuse!) individual requests from organisations like us.-- KingAragorn  talk  contribs  edits  email  19:01, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
No, you should have made it clear about extending this rationale to include covers of publications, in a meeting, for example. Changing the status of cover images to "will be deleted" is very frustrating when you have spent a lot of time compiling/scanning such; every Tolkien-related website or blog (scholarly or non-scholarly) I've come across assumes it's fair use to reproduce covers of publications. --Morgan 19:17, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
I had honestly forgotten that Template:Copyright-unknown included the words "This file will be deleted unless...", and that's why I wish you had told me that this was your grievance in the first place (and let me reiterate that I'm still annoyed that you resorted to vandalism rather than coming to me to discuss it). Let me explain what happened today: I saw that you used Template:Fairuse-cover[former link] on File:Parma Eldalamberon 12.jpg and, because Template:Fairuse-cover should not be used on new images, I replaced it Template:Copyright-unknown. I then decided to tidy up the other Parma Eldalamberon covers (including giving them their own category) and in the process I added Template:Copyright-unknown to all of them as we will probably get permission soon.
There has been no change in policy; we've used the new system for covers of publications since the new system was first established. I'm perfectly happy to discuss how we handle copyright for publication covers, if that's what you want (although, if this is the case, I wish that we had held it sooner). I'm sorry if my actions have upset or frustrated you, but I suspect that you wouldn't have been so annoyed if you had simply contacted me about it.-- KingAragorn  talk  contribs  edits  email  19:45, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
I've emailed you.--Morgan 20:01, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

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