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I am having trouble with understanding where to write what in terms of comments or questions about what others may think an article needs in terms of sources, what can be taken as a given (and common knowledge) and what will need a specific source (and if specific sources need a page #, and paragraph section).

So, how do I go about soliciting help on an article, and what is considered appropriate and what is not appropriate for any article?

For instance, in the Necromancer of Dol Goldur article, I have included some speculation and questions about exactly what the assault upon Dol Goldur was.

Was it just a small battle between the powers of the Ishtari and a few elves, or did it involve armies of undead and allied troops from the East and the Misty Mountains (Orcs)?

Would the Easterlings whom Sauron had fled to twice have contributed to its defense?

Why exactly did Sauron get the name of The Necromancer?

And so on.

Some of these I pose as actual questions, and others I use as postulates for how it may have been possible for Sauron to have managed to gain the power to oppose Galadriel in Lothlorien.

I am hoping to eventually create a fan-fiction account in the manner of ancient historians such as Josephus, Polybios, Thucydides, Plutarch, Herodotus, (and so on) of the various wars and battles in the Second and Third Ages. In doing this, I would like to get all that is within the canon on the Necromancer and Dol Goldur (not to mention the other major episodes in the military history of Middle-Earth.

Matthew 02:41, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Well, before you create a fanfiction account, you must realise your original article - "The Necromancer of Dol Goldûr" (sic) has been redirected and merged with "Necromancer", which is strictly canon. If you want to make a fanfiction account of the lot, do so at you user namespace: User:Matthew/The Necromancer of Dol Guldur. -- Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 06:05, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
It isn't the Necromancer that I am looking to do a Fanfic specifically about, but about the various wars, of which he was but a part of one or two.
The Fanfic that I would like to try to get going, would be a fictionalized account of one of the generals, or a scribe that was attached to an army of Gondor or Númenóre. Or, maybe one of the soldiers who would later become a captain of leader of men among the armies of the west.
If you would like to see an example of what I am thinking of as a model, see Polybios' account of the Punic Wars between Carthage and Republican Rome in the 3rd Century BCE. Polybios gives an account of the soldiery, how they were raised and trained, how they deployed at various battles, and he includes fictionalized accounts of the speeches given to the armies by their generals or the heads of state of the respective nations. These speeches are generally allegory for the values that are held in esteem by those nations, and generally, they are used in the following manner:
1. The nation who is the "good guy" (Rome in the case of Polybios) will have some small success in their war. The Generals will then become too full of pride and begin to reject of forget the values that hold their nation together. They will give a speech about how their brilliance alone was the cause of victory. Then, they will suffer a terrible defeat at the hands of their enemy, upon which, they repent of their misguided ways (usually through some tragedy that exposes their hubris) and they then give a rousing speech to their army about the values of their nation and how holding to those values will bring them victory... Then, they will go out and proceed to do unto the enemy in a big way. Followed by a speech again by the general about how it was their national values that led them to victory and only by the preservation of those values will they remain invincible. All of the fictionalized speeches (even in the historical records, they are fictionalized, idealized speeches) are interspersed with accounts of the military action, and the brilliance or folly of the generals on both sides followed by the accounts of the actual battles.
The Necromancer was just my first entry in the wiki due to having just been discussing him among some friends here (San Francisco) and at a convention in July, and as such, he would figure in at least one of these fictionalized historical records of the wars of Middle Earth... But, I guess that overall, working to maintain canon in the original article would be best (and finishing the sources to support the few bits of speculation that I have made)

Matthew 06:35, 25 August 2008 (UTC)