Talk:Celebrimbor
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I'm having second thoughts on my assumption that "Celebrimbor" comes from celeb + drambor. While drambor means "clenched fist", as in for punching, paur means a fist as in holding a craft-tool or implement. Does anyone know which is correct? "Drambor" is closer to "-imbor" but the Quenya quárë from Telperinquar is closer to Sindarin paur. --Narfil Palùrfalas 13:24, 19 June 2006 (EDT)
- The Languages of Tolkien's Middle-earth defines it as 'Hand of Silver' or 'Silver Fist' as celebrin = silverlike; bor = hand, fist. Unfortunately drambor doesn't seem to be listed in the book. --Hyarion 13:31, 19 June 2006 (EDT)
- My Sindarin dictionary (Dragonflame 2.0 by Hiswelókë; excellent downloadable program by the way) has no entry for bor. The entries for "fist" are drambor and paur. I'm not quite willing to accept bor or paur just yet. Does anyone else have any input? --Narfil Palùrfalas 13:37, 19 June 2006 (EDT)
- Taking a second look at The Languages of Tolkien's Middle-earth, it mentions paur as meaning first or hand. --Hyarion 13:47, 19 June 2006 (EDT)
- Well, here is the article in the Tolkien Linguistic Dictionary:
- Celebrimbor — S-ised form of Telerin Telperimpar, and Q Tyelpinquar; see celeb silver, Telerin adjective telperin, S adjective celebrin silver-like [appx], from KYÉLEP- silver [see Celeborn¹]; see also KWAR- fist, Q qáre, Nol paur, -bor [Etym], Q quárë [the grasp of the smith, not a fighter's fist; [appx]; 'Silver Grasp'; a great Elven smith, maker of the Three Rings of the Elves; devised the name Mithril
- I have always found this site trusty enough. Tell me your opinion on it. --Narfil Palùrfalas 13:58, 19 June 2006 (EDT)
- Narfil, I think you're right with the word paur. From Hiswelókë's compilation:
tegilbor* [tɛgˈil̡bɔr] n. one skilled in calligraphy, a calligrapher ◇ PM/318, VT/47:8 ◇ tegil+paur
Hope this helps. --Ebakunin 15:13, 19 June 2006 (EDT)
- Narfil, I think you're right with the word paur. From Hiswelókë's compilation:
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It says in this article that Celebrimbor made the Three Rings without the knowledge of Sauron. The Silmarillion:Of the Rings of Power and the Third Age differs here. I won't quote the whole three paragraphs here, but it says that Sauron never touched them, but he desired them most due to their powers, among other things. It is clearly against the statement here. Now, I know that the Silmarillion is not always the authority. Is there any writing that contradicts this and supports the article? --Narfil Palùrfalas 16:58, 12 September 2006 (EDT)
- Nothing's in the Letters. I'm going to change it, at least temporarily. By the way, do we have an "unverified" template? --Narfil Palùrfalas 18:29, 12 September 2006 (EDT)
