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I don't that someone's reminiscence of something constitutes a source.-- KingAragorn  talk  contribs  edits  email  15:26, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Agree. Source or it didn't happen. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 15:40, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
I really have little time and interest to "research" this subject, but according to a fellow wiki, it seems rather like the developers were inspired by "lore briefly touched upon in The Lord of the Rings [...] something that was extremely rare, though not completely unknown in the Books of Tolkien: evil Dwarves.". I would guess that this text was copied from the official description on an old LOTRO article (but as neither that other wiki gives any source, it's hard to say).
The information added to our article is very similar to a post on a LOTRO forum (search for "wicked"): "I have just recently started rereading The Hobbit and it mentions (briefly) that there were wicked dwarves how worked with Goblins." I would guess that this is rather the source of the statement added to our article. Amroth: or is your memory very clear from the official LOTRO description? If so it would likely be possible to track (although I find it strange that the forum post is so similar).--Morgan 15:59, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
I don't know if the anonymous editor used the forum post or the LOTRO wiki as source, but there was an article about the Dourhands on the official LOTRO site. This article contained general information (including the alliance between Dourhands and Goblins), aswell as a quote directly from the Hobbit about evil dwarves who allied with goblins. In the Ered Luin Introdcution the Dourhands, or to be more precisely Skorgrím Dourhand, indeed have an alliance with the Goblins. I think I shared the link of that article on MSN a few years ago, so it might still be in my MSN history.
Though, if we are putting the border on sourcing here, we should remove any information with doesn't have a source (which would be definently against our consensus in our discussion about stoping scaring of new editors. --Amroth 16:50, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
The border goes here, in my opinion, since it depends on what kind of information which is added to our articles. . In this case we have a statement about what the developers used as inspiration for the Dourhands; it is therefore not something which we can or should speculate about - a source needs to be there! Otherwise we open a can of worms: "this was probably inspired by that" is something which could be added to almost anything, even if it's true or not.--Morgan 16:57, 26 January 2012 (UTC)