Talk:Entwives

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Latest comment: 26 January 2023 by Akhorahil in topic Defining entwives as "mates"

"Here there may be Entwives"[edit source]

Is there any further information that can corroborate the claims made by Pip Willis about the Entwives' location, or that he is a qualified source? The best I can surmise is that he is somehow related to map-maker Didier Willis, but that's a guess. Is Pip recognized as a Tolkien scholar who I'm unaware of? Either way, with all respect to Pip, I find it hard to view him as an authority on Arda's geography when he has used David Day's terribly inaccurate map of Arda in response to another Quora question [1].

I guess my broader question is this: does citing this Quora post, without any further corroboration demonstrating the credibility of either the claim itself or the person making the claim, satisfy Tolkien Gateway's requirements of a reliable source? Protospace 17:14, 7 June 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I found the article at Quora noteworthy, as obviously Michael Martinez did as well. It could naturally be an elaborate hoax, and we will probably see more discussion about Willis' article in the future.--Morgan 22:09, 7 June 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I think the claim can be reported, as we have done, but we can't regard it as canon, of course. --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 08:21, 17 June 2017 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Defining entwives as "mates"[edit source]

The first line in the article "Entwives were the mates of the Ents." is absurdly sexist. Could you imagine seeing a dictionary define 'Men' as "the mates of women"?

The name "entwives" is gathered from Treebeard and the ents perspective who apparently missed their wives but still is a sexist reduction of their identity though that is just the word used in the common tongue and not Entish which takes a very long time to say and is hopefully more descriptive beyond them only existing as mates since they did indeed develop their own culture and habits. Elvish names for them, Onodrim and Onyalië are for all ents, male and female it seems.

I suggest the first line be changed. Unsigned comment by Hebekiah (talk • contribs).

I guess that term was used instead of "wives" to avoid redundance. Why don't you change it? --LorenzoCB (talk) 17:27, 26 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I strongly disagree that the term "mate" needs to be changed. The term "mate" does not have a sexist meaning in english and is not a sexist reduction. Looking up the possible meanings of the noun "mate" in a dictionary demonstrates that easily (e.g. a perfect mate, soulmate, etc.). The text of the Entwives page provides sufficient context for the introductory sentence, which by its purpose should be short. --Akhorahil (talk) 17:57, 26 January 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]