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Article needs breaking into sections. Need more narrative and fewer quotes, if possible. --Theoden1 13:55, 13 May 2008 (EDT)

[edit] Fate

I can't find a source for tihs, but I remember Tolkien explicitly stating that "Umbar" was a native word, and not connected to Q. "fate". -- Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 07:55, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Lalaith's website gone

With Lalaith's website being gone, this link works no more. --Adûnâi 02:56, 23 December 2014 (UTC)