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Talk:Wainrider/Balchoth War

[edit] Naming Decision

It was a tough decision arriving at a name for this conflict. Appendix A (ROTK) uses both terms, and the pre-existing Celebrant battle article uses "Balchoth". So I tried to use both. Easterling is more of a generic description. Also, the time period involved here is very long, 700 years or so, but the whole affair is discussed as though it is a unitary conflict in the Tale of Years. So I kept the time scale long.--Theoden1 17:38, 13 July 2008 (EDT)

Some other naming: "Calimehtar-Dagorlad Battle"? Isn't "Second Battle for Dagorlad" a bit better? -- Ederchil 13:07, 14 July 2008 (EDT)
That's just a place holder-- perhaps 2nd will do.--Theoden1 14:51, 14 July 2008 (EDT)
I added a redirect page for Easterling War. That should keep everyone happy.--Theoden1 14:53, 16 July 2008 (EDT)


[edit] Typo Wars

Someday, Ederchil, we'll look back on this as the Great Typo War. I hope we're helping it other, not just chewing on each other. I thought I was helping you out with corrections to Christopher Lee. I hope you're responding with the same charitable spirit, dude.--Theoden1 14:50, 16 July 2008 (EDT)

Always charitable. We're all here to help eachother. I make typos, you make typos. If we don't correct eachother, then who will? -- Ederchil 15:41, 16 July 2008 (EDT)
The page should be either split into a Wainrider war page and a Balchoth war page or deleted completely. There were hundreds of years between those war's and the Wainriders and Balchoth were probably different tribes or different confederations of tribes. Most of all of the information on These pages will be repetitive, because there is a page for the Wainriders and another page for the Balchoth already and their history is limited to their attacks on Rhovanion, Gondor and Rohan. --Akhorahil 08:11, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

[edit] Split the article into a page for Wainrider War and a page for Balchoth War

Sorry folks, it's ludicrous to put the Wainrider/Balchoth conflict into one. The Wainriders were utterly defated in 1944 TA, the Balchoth appear 500 years later. It's like talking about the "Hunnic-Mongol Invasion of Europe" despite Huns and Mongols being different peoples and are separated by 700 years. There's a wainrider conflict and a Balchoth conflict. Besides, the article is far from complete. And why is there crux behind Ecthelion II? From what I know he died peacefully. --Thalion 14:58, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

I didn't like it either way back when it was created. Split the subject. --Dwarf Lord 18:19, 20 September 2011 (UTC)
+1 --Amroth 14:58, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
Whole-heartedly agree.--Tolkienator 16:51, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Woolly Mammoth 16:24, 14 May 2015 (UTC) If the start of this "war" was in T.A. 1851, then what the bloody hell are Tarostar and Turambar doing in the list of commanders?

The body text names Rómendacil I which clearly has then been added to the infobox. However, I don't accept that that this article should actually exist so perhaps we should take this as an opportunity to discuss this article's future and scope.
Can I say, though, that I don't think your language, Woolly Mammoth - "what the bloody hell" - is appropriate for this wiki. --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 07:46, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

By the looks of it, it seems that the talk page is basically at a consensus that this conflict should be split up into seperate articles or should be merged into one big "Easterling Wars" page. Given that lumping Wainriders with the Balchoth who appeared 500 years after seems redundant, I think this is worth a shot.--Tengwar 01:58, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

I agree that the article should be split into a page about the Wainrider War and a page about the Balchoth War. I am against merging the page into one big "Easterling Wars" page. --Akhorahil 13:37, 30 March 2021 (UTC)

Hm... yea I take back my comment of merging the page into one big "Easterling Wars" page. Two separate articles sounds brilliant!--Tolkienator 19:01, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
There were not just the Wainrider War of Gondor against the Wainriders (involving the general and later king Eärnil II) and the Balchoth War of Gondor against the Balchoth (involving Steward Cirion), but also earlier wars of Gondor against Easterlings (involving Rómendacil I and Rómendacil II), so one big "Easterling Wars" page would be a very long page that would cover a lot of Gondor's history. --Akhorahil 19:13, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
Agreed. I think the other Easterlings conflicts should be included to the page for Gondor or moved to the background section of the wainriders war page. But I think this split should occur ASAP.--Tolkienator 16:16, 1 April 2021 (UTC)