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Template talk:HM

Originally this template seems to be have been created only for the HM (History of Middle-earth) series. But since it has come to be a "general" citation template for all major works by Tolkien, I'll keep adding books. If we decide to change name of the template (which perhaps we should do to avoid misunderstanding), perhaps a bot could do the job of changing all the {{HM|...}}? --Morgan 16:43, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

If a template is moved and the old page remains a redirect, all uses of {{HM|...}} will still work properly, so it wouldn't be a top priority. But yes, I'd rather botmove them than do them manually.
Now, a name... {{ref|}} is taken; maybe {{bookref|}}? -- Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 17:06, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
What about something shorter (to encourage people to use the template): TB (Tolkien books)? On the other hand, we might want to add books not written by Tolkien, but which often are (and will be!) cited on TG (I'm thinking of the Companion and Guide and LotR: A Reader's Guide, for example). Then {{bookref|}} is better, and quite easy to remember. --Morgan 17:13, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
Just {{book|}}, or {{BK|}} or {{BKR|}} for short? -- Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 18:13, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
Sure, I would be okay with any of them. Do you want to move the page or should we wait? --Morgan 18:23, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
I really like it where it is at HM. I honestly don't think renaming the article will make any difference in people's usage of the respective templates (which will be a bit of an ordeal to bot). If you do go down this route, I personally would like THOME to be left at HM, at least. --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 18:55, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

[edit] Page references in LotR

I've noticed that it's becoming a standard that many new, scholarly works cite page numbers from the 50th Anniv. edition of the LotR. Since we're far from implenting anything like the Structural references (see also User talk:Mithrennaith#Arda Structural Reference Format), could it be useful to add page numbers from the 50th Anniv (when it would help the reader)? If so, we should perhaps add something like "p. x ([[The Lord of the Rings (50th Anniversary Edition)|50th Anniv. Ed.]])" to the reference note. Good or bad? --Morgan 13:25, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

I think it would be helpful, for citing a specific source. -- Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 13:31, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
Thanks. I applied it to the article on perian, if anyone wants an example of how it could turn out.--Morgan 13:41, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
I think four notes in one sentence is a bit too much, but the rest looks good. -- Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 14:04, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
 :-) I always try to give as many notes as possible in linguistic articles on words (à la Hisweloke, Ardalambion, and not the least PE17, for example), so readers can continue investigating the word (and see how well attested the word is).--Morgan 14:09, 13 July 2011 (UTC)
Wouldn't simply 'J.R.R. Tolkien, The Lord of the Rings, The Return of the King, "The Houses of Healing", 50th Anniv. Edn., p. 859' be more appropriate than 'J.R.R. Tolkien, The Lord of the Rings, The Return of the King, "The Houses of Healing", p. 859 (50th Anniv. Ed.): "[...] a hobbit, a perian [...]")'? -- KingAragorn  talk  contribs  edits  email  17:39, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
Sure, why not - if no one disagrees I'll try to remember to change it.--Morgan 18:23, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
Seeing as it's The Lord of the Rings: 50th Anniversary Edition, shouldn't we go for "J.R.R. Tolkien, The Lord of the Rings (50th Anniv. Ed.), The Return of the King, "The Houses of Healing", p. 859"? "(50th Ed.)" might even be enough. --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 18:50, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, that is a good suggestion - is it possible to tweak the templates (in order to make an automatic addition of the 50th Ed.), though? It's a pain to do it manually! --Morgan 18:54, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
Like this? --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 19:47, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
Yes, the code tweak seems to work fine! Will you add the tweak to the FR, TT, and RK templates (since I I think it's good to still preserve the chapter name)? --Morgan 19:55, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
Done. --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 09:20, 15 July 2011 (UTC)
Impressive! If you have time, would it be possible to also add it to Template:App? --Morgan 11:56, 18 July 2011 (UTC)