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[edit] Welcome!

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[edit] Shelob

Your description of Shelob as a "demigoddess" is based on the notion that Ungoliant was a goddess. In your comment on your edit you have admitted that Ungoliant was not a goddess, but nonetheless you claim that the term goddess is synonymous with a female maia. Whilst the Valar (and sometimes all of the Ainur) are sometimes referred to as "gods" by people in Middle-earth, it is surely inappropriate to call fallen maia "gods". The only time they could be is when particular people worshipped them. Certain groups of men worshipped Morgoth and Sauron at different points, certainly. But Morgoth and Sauron could only be called "gods" by the people who worshipped them, and no other fallen vala or maia are known to have been worshipped. My question is: How can you justify calling Ungoliant a goddess (and by extension Shelob a "demigoddess")?-- KingAragorn  talk  contribs  edits  email  13:47, 18 October 2012 (UTC)