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Talk:Battle of the Pelennor Fields

2022-09-05T15:38:55Z

172.70.246.36: /* Who killed the Witch-King? */

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==Mordor's Army==
How big was Mordors Army does an one truly know i heard on the bonus feature of the return of the king that it could be 200,000 or 350,000 ether way its huge your thoughts {{unsigned|Sauron}}

:There is no exact number for all of the forces, I'm unsure offhand where the 200,000 number comes from but most likely there is mention of the forces possibly being 10 times that of the opposing time, I'll see if I can find a quote as we should include the reference in the article. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 18:48, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

It was never mentioned how many there were (save the at least 18,000 Haradrim). But it can be guessed at 100-200,000. I've done an extensive amount of calculations on this, and they have come out just about the same as the purposed 200,000.--[[User:Dwarf Lord|Dwarf Lord]] 22:14, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

==Order of Battle==
Just a WiP, add to it if you like. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 21:37, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

===Gondor===
;Command
* [[Denethor]] †
** [[Faramir]] (wounded)
** [[Imrahil]]
;Troops
* Troops of Minas Tirith
** [[Húrin (Warden of the Keys)|Húrin the Tall]]
** [[Guards of the Citadel]]
*** [[Beregond]]
*** [[Peregrin Took]]
* [[Southern Fiefs|Captains of the Outlands]]
** [[Imrahil]] of [[Dol Amroth]]
*** One company of Knights
*** 700 Men-at-Arms
** [[Forlong]] of [[Lossarnach]] †
*** 200 Axe-men
** [[Dervorin]] of [[Ringló Vale]] †
***300 men
** [[Duinhir]] of [[Morthond|Morthond Vale]]
*** [[Duilin (son of Duinhir)|Duilin]] †
*** [[Derufin]] †
*** 500 Bowmen
** [[Golasgil]] of [[Anfalas]]
*** Golasgil's Household
*** Scantilly equiped troops
** [[Lamedon]]
*** Few men
** [[The Ethir]]
*** 200 fishermen
** [[Hirluin the Fair]] of [[Pinnath Gelin]] †
*** 300 men
===Rohan===
;Command
*[[Théoden]] †
* [[Éomer]]
;Troops
* [[King's Company]]: [[Déorwine]] †
** [[Dúnhere]] †
** [[Herefara]] †
** [[Herubrand]] †
** [[Horn (rider of Rohan)|Horn]] †
** [[Fastred (rider of Rohan)|Fastred]] †
** [[Guthláf]] †
* First [[Éored]]: [[Éomer]]
* Second Éored: [[Grimbold]] of [[Grimslade]] †
* Third Éored: [[Elfhelm]]
** [[Éowyn|Dernhelm]]
** [[Meriadoc Brandybuck|Master Bag]]
===Aragorn===
;Command
* [[Aragorn]]
;Troops
* [[Legolas]] of [[Mirkwood]]
* [[Gimli]] of [[Lonely Mountain|Erebor]]
* [[Halbarad]] of the Northlands †
* [[Elladan]] of [[Rivendell]]
* [[Elrohir]] of [[Rivendell]]
* 29 [[Rangers of the North]]
* [[Angbor]] of [[Lamedon]]
** Horsemen

== Numbers ==
I'm currently planning to add a chapter named "Strength". With will be highly referenced.
Note: A company in [[Middle-earth|ME]] is 500 men.
===S. Fiefs===
====Books====
* Lossarnach: 200 (note: of a total of 2000 men)
* Ringló Vale: 300
* Morthond Vale: 500
* Ethir Anduin: 100
* Pinnath Gelin: 300
* Dol Amroth: 1200 (700 at foot and 500 swan knights)
* [b]Total:[/b] 2600-3000
====Speculative====
* Lamedon: 50? (note: of a total of 4000 men)
* Anfalas: 200?
===Minas Tirith and fortresses===
====Books====
* Tower Guard companies: 1500
* Company of Knights: 500
* [b]Total:[/b] 2000
====Speculative====
* Tower Guard reserves: 200?
* Others from Minas Tirth: 2000?
* Rangers of Ithilien: 500?
* Survivers of [[Cair Andros|C.A.]]: 200?
* Survivers of [[Rammas Echor|R.E.]]: 1250?
===Rohan===
====Books====
* Rohirim: 6000
====Speculative====
* ...
===Aragorn's Host===
====Books====
* Rangers of the North: 30
====Speculative====
* Lebennin, Ethir, etc.: 2000?
===Total===
* Known from the books: 10.630-11.030
* Speculative: 6.400
* '''Total:''' 17.030-17.430
--[[User:Amroth|Amroth]] 13:19, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

:Sources? --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 10:21, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
==Changes==

I was planning on adding some changes to the article, namely fixing up typos, giving more accurate casualty estimates, as well as trimming up any misplaced references or inaccurate statements. I was told to discuss the change here. [[Special:Contributions/76.11.233.95|76.11.233.95]] 20:53, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

:Well, discuss your specific changes. List them here, why you think they're wrong, what you want to replace them with, and what your sources are. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 10:21, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

==Additonal battle info based off movie==
I was wondering if i could add battle information for battles that happened in the peter jackson movies and add battle information based on the movies. it might be helpful for some readers. consider doing this for all battles shown in the movies {{unsignedanon|173.206.83.82}}

:That's what the Portrayal in Adaptations section is for. If you have something to add to it, source it. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 11:46, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

can i add a battle infobox for these battles? {{unsigned|Dman}}

:They already have an infobox. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 04:30, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

==Sources==
May I have permission to add some additional citations to this page? I saw it in the To-do page and thought I might want to help. [[User:Holdwine Meriadoc|Holdwine Meriadoc]] 18:53, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

:It's currently editable for autoconfirmed users and higher. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 08:06, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

::OK, but how is that accessible? Sorry, I'm a rookie here. --[[User:Holdwine Meriadoc|Holdwine Meriadoc]] 14:36, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

:::Do you see an Edit button, or does it say "View Source"? --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 15:33, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

::::I see a View Source, so what next? --[[User:Holdwine Meriadoc|Holdwine Meriadoc]] 15:49, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

:::::Then you're not autoconfirmed yet. That usually takes a set number of days and/or edits, I'm not sure how high it's set here. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 16:25, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

::::::Drat. OK. I have a long way to go......... --[[User:Holdwine Meriadoc|Holdwine Meriadoc]] 16:44, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

==Citations==

I added some citations but am having trouble merging the two citations of [[The Siege of Gondor]] into one; could I have some help on that? --[[User:Holdwine Meriadoc|Holdwine Meriadoc]] 02:00, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

:I have corrected this. [http://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_the_Pelennor_Fields&action=historysubmit&diff=301924&oldid=301896 Take a look at my edit] to see what I did. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 17:44, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

::Thank you. --[[User:Holdwine Meriadoc|'''Holdwine Meriadoc''']] ([[User talk:Holdwine Meriadoc|'''Talk''']]/[[Special:Contributions/Holdwine Meriadoc|Contribs]]/[[Special:Editcount/Holdwine Meriadoc/Edits|Edits]])

== Who killed the Witch-King? ==

It was Merry in the book (1965 edition), not Éowyn.
I think, the book must be the source, not the film adaptation, that's only an interpretation and contains more other mistakes - e. g. Glorfindel saved Frodo from the Úlairi, not Arwen. The character of Merry and Pippin is complete false, also Gimli was not a joke-guy etc. {{unsigned|162.158.91.51}}

: You're right that the book, not the films or any other adaptation, is the source. However, Merry didn't kill the Witch-King, but only wounded him and thereby distracted him long enough for Eowyn to finish him off, as the article says. --[[User:Pachyderminator|Pachyderminator]] 16:09, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for your answer, Pachyderminator. But it's clearly stated in the book that Éowyn - who, by the way, did cut off the head of the Nazgul indeed - was then incapacitated. Merry, having cut the sinew of the Witch-kings knee, then struck with his sword between the crown and the cloak. To do so, he needed the sword he had obtained from the Tombs in the land of Bombadil. The sword threw sparks and broke into pieces. This makes sense, considering that "ghosts" cannot be killed with a traditional sword.
It is described in the same way, though in a shorter form, somewhere in the Appendix.

(a) I would like to quote it, but I read it in Hungarian. I think it unlikely that it has been mistranslated. If it has, please copy the original English passage somehow, I would be grateful for that.
(b) As I said, I am talking about the translation of the 1965 edition. Nor do I think it likely that Tolkien changed the story later.

One more thing: I don't want to diminish the merits of Éowyn, who, among other things, was a match for the greatest warriors in spirit and also a very sympathetic character.

Talk:Battle of the Pelennor Fields

2022-09-05T15:30:30Z

172.70.246.36: /* Who killed the Witch-King? */

__NOTOC__

==Mordor's Army==
How big was Mordors Army does an one truly know i heard on the bonus feature of the return of the king that it could be 200,000 or 350,000 ether way its huge your thoughts {{unsigned|Sauron}}

:There is no exact number for all of the forces, I'm unsure offhand where the 200,000 number comes from but most likely there is mention of the forces possibly being 10 times that of the opposing time, I'll see if I can find a quote as we should include the reference in the article. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 18:48, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

It was never mentioned how many there were (save the at least 18,000 Haradrim). But it can be guessed at 100-200,000. I've done an extensive amount of calculations on this, and they have come out just about the same as the purposed 200,000.--[[User:Dwarf Lord|Dwarf Lord]] 22:14, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

==Order of Battle==
Just a WiP, add to it if you like. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 21:37, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

===Gondor===
;Command
* [[Denethor]] †
** [[Faramir]] (wounded)
** [[Imrahil]]
;Troops
* Troops of Minas Tirith
** [[Húrin (Warden of the Keys)|Húrin the Tall]]
** [[Guards of the Citadel]]
*** [[Beregond]]
*** [[Peregrin Took]]
* [[Southern Fiefs|Captains of the Outlands]]
** [[Imrahil]] of [[Dol Amroth]]
*** One company of Knights
*** 700 Men-at-Arms
** [[Forlong]] of [[Lossarnach]] †
*** 200 Axe-men
** [[Dervorin]] of [[Ringló Vale]] †
***300 men
** [[Duinhir]] of [[Morthond|Morthond Vale]]
*** [[Duilin (son of Duinhir)|Duilin]] †
*** [[Derufin]] †
*** 500 Bowmen
** [[Golasgil]] of [[Anfalas]]
*** Golasgil's Household
*** Scantilly equiped troops
** [[Lamedon]]
*** Few men
** [[The Ethir]]
*** 200 fishermen
** [[Hirluin the Fair]] of [[Pinnath Gelin]] †
*** 300 men
===Rohan===
;Command
*[[Théoden]] †
* [[Éomer]]
;Troops
* [[King's Company]]: [[Déorwine]] †
** [[Dúnhere]] †
** [[Herefara]] †
** [[Herubrand]] †
** [[Horn (rider of Rohan)|Horn]] †
** [[Fastred (rider of Rohan)|Fastred]] †
** [[Guthláf]] †
* First [[Éored]]: [[Éomer]]
* Second Éored: [[Grimbold]] of [[Grimslade]] †
* Third Éored: [[Elfhelm]]
** [[Éowyn|Dernhelm]]
** [[Meriadoc Brandybuck|Master Bag]]
===Aragorn===
;Command
* [[Aragorn]]
;Troops
* [[Legolas]] of [[Mirkwood]]
* [[Gimli]] of [[Lonely Mountain|Erebor]]
* [[Halbarad]] of the Northlands †
* [[Elladan]] of [[Rivendell]]
* [[Elrohir]] of [[Rivendell]]
* 29 [[Rangers of the North]]
* [[Angbor]] of [[Lamedon]]
** Horsemen

== Numbers ==
I'm currently planning to add a chapter named "Strength". With will be highly referenced.
Note: A company in [[Middle-earth|ME]] is 500 men.
===S. Fiefs===
====Books====
* Lossarnach: 200 (note: of a total of 2000 men)
* Ringló Vale: 300
* Morthond Vale: 500
* Ethir Anduin: 100
* Pinnath Gelin: 300
* Dol Amroth: 1200 (700 at foot and 500 swan knights)
* [b]Total:[/b] 2600-3000
====Speculative====
* Lamedon: 50? (note: of a total of 4000 men)
* Anfalas: 200?
===Minas Tirith and fortresses===
====Books====
* Tower Guard companies: 1500
* Company of Knights: 500
* [b]Total:[/b] 2000
====Speculative====
* Tower Guard reserves: 200?
* Others from Minas Tirth: 2000?
* Rangers of Ithilien: 500?
* Survivers of [[Cair Andros|C.A.]]: 200?
* Survivers of [[Rammas Echor|R.E.]]: 1250?
===Rohan===
====Books====
* Rohirim: 6000
====Speculative====
* ...
===Aragorn's Host===
====Books====
* Rangers of the North: 30
====Speculative====
* Lebennin, Ethir, etc.: 2000?
===Total===
* Known from the books: 10.630-11.030
* Speculative: 6.400
* '''Total:''' 17.030-17.430
--[[User:Amroth|Amroth]] 13:19, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

:Sources? --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 10:21, 7 September 2015 (UTC)
==Changes==

I was planning on adding some changes to the article, namely fixing up typos, giving more accurate casualty estimates, as well as trimming up any misplaced references or inaccurate statements. I was told to discuss the change here. [[Special:Contributions/76.11.233.95|76.11.233.95]] 20:53, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

:Well, discuss your specific changes. List them here, why you think they're wrong, what you want to replace them with, and what your sources are. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 10:21, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

==Additonal battle info based off movie==
I was wondering if i could add battle information for battles that happened in the peter jackson movies and add battle information based on the movies. it might be helpful for some readers. consider doing this for all battles shown in the movies {{unsignedanon|173.206.83.82}}

:That's what the Portrayal in Adaptations section is for. If you have something to add to it, source it. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 11:46, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

can i add a battle infobox for these battles? {{unsigned|Dman}}

:They already have an infobox. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 04:30, 17 April 2018 (UTC)

==Sources==
May I have permission to add some additional citations to this page? I saw it in the To-do page and thought I might want to help. [[User:Holdwine Meriadoc|Holdwine Meriadoc]] 18:53, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

:It's currently editable for autoconfirmed users and higher. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 08:06, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

::OK, but how is that accessible? Sorry, I'm a rookie here. --[[User:Holdwine Meriadoc|Holdwine Meriadoc]] 14:36, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

:::Do you see an Edit button, or does it say "View Source"? --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 15:33, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

::::I see a View Source, so what next? --[[User:Holdwine Meriadoc|Holdwine Meriadoc]] 15:49, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

:::::Then you're not autoconfirmed yet. That usually takes a set number of days and/or edits, I'm not sure how high it's set here. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 16:25, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

::::::Drat. OK. I have a long way to go......... --[[User:Holdwine Meriadoc|Holdwine Meriadoc]] 16:44, 18 August 2018 (UTC)

==Citations==

I added some citations but am having trouble merging the two citations of [[The Siege of Gondor]] into one; could I have some help on that? --[[User:Holdwine Meriadoc|Holdwine Meriadoc]] 02:00, 12 December 2018 (UTC)

:I have corrected this. [http://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_the_Pelennor_Fields&action=historysubmit&diff=301924&oldid=301896 Take a look at my edit] to see what I did. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 17:44, 15 December 2018 (UTC)

::Thank you. --[[User:Holdwine Meriadoc|'''Holdwine Meriadoc''']] ([[User talk:Holdwine Meriadoc|'''Talk''']]/[[Special:Contributions/Holdwine Meriadoc|Contribs]]/[[Special:Editcount/Holdwine Meriadoc/Edits|Edits]])

== Who killed the Witch-King? ==

It was Merry in the book (1965 edition), not Éowyn.
I think, the book must be the source, not the film adaptation, that's only an interpretation and contains more other mistakes - e. g. Glorfindel saved Frodo from the Úlairi, not Arwen. The character of Merry and Pippin is complete false, also Gimli was not a joke-guy etc. {{unsigned|162.158.91.51}}

: You're right that the book, not the films or any other adaptation, is the source. However, Merry didn't kill the Witch-King, but only wounded him and thereby distracted him long enough for Eowyn to finish him off, as the article says. --[[User:Pachyderminator|Pachyderminator]] 16:09, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

: Thanks for your answer, Pachyderminator. But it's clearly stated in the book that Éowyn - who, by the way, did cut off the head of the Nazgul indeed - was then incapacitated. Merry, having cut the sinew of the Witch-kings knee, then struck with his sword between the crown and the cloak. To do so, he needed the sword he had obtained from the Tombs in the land of Bombadil. The sword threw sparks and broke into pieces. This makes sense, considering that "ghosts" cannot be killed with a traditional sword.
It is described in the same way, though in a shorter form, somewhere in the Appendix.

(a) I would like to quote it, but I read it in Hungarian. I think it unlikely that it has been mistranslated. If it has, please copy the original English passage somehow, I would be grateful for that.
(b) As I said, I am talking about the translation of the 1965 edition. Nor do I think it likely that Tolkien changed the story later.

Durin I

2022-09-02T13:30:39Z

172.70.246.36: /* Legacy */ Re-added a mention of the LotR Appendix version of Durin's rebirth; as a (even Tolkien-published and longtime-canon-held) version of the tale it should still receive documentation, next to the newer-revealed sleeping-king trope version from NoMe. Comprehensive legendarium documentation, rather than deletions!

{{sources}}
{{disambig-more|Durin|[[Durin (disambiguation)]]}}
{{dwarves infobox
| name=Durin
| image=[[File:Turner Mohan - Durin.jpg|250px]]
| caption="Durin" by [[:Category:Images by Turner Mohan|Turner Mohan]]
| pronun=
| othernames=Durin the Deathless
| titles=[[King of Durin's Folk]], [[King of Khazad-dûm]]
| position=
| location=[[Gundabad]], [[Khazad-dûm]]
| affiliation=[[Seven Fathers of the Dwarves]]
| language=[[Khuzdul]]
| birth=Possibly awoke between {{YT|1132}} and {{YT|1150|n}}<ref group="note">In one of the texts associated with the chapter ''[[Of Aulë and Yavanna]]'' of ''[[The Silmarillion]]'' in ''[[The War of the Jewels]]'', it is said that the awakening of the Dwarves might have taken place at the time of the departure of the Eldar over the sea - in other words, either in c. {{YT|1132}} (when the [[Vanyar]] and the [[Noldor]] departed) or in c. {{YT|1150}} (when the [[Teleri]] departed).</ref><ref>{{WJ|13}}, pp. 211-212</ref>
| birthlocation=[[Mount Gundabad]]
| rule=[[Years of the Trees]] - Late [[First Age]]
| death=Late [[First Age]]<ref name="Durin"/>
| deathlocation=[[Khazad-dûm]]
| age=2,395+<ref group="note">[[coranar|Years of the Sun]]. Each Year of the Trees is equal to 9.582 Years of the Sun, and the Years of the Trees ended in the year 1500. So, 9.582 x 250 = 2,395.</ref>
| notablefor=Founding [[Khazad-dûm]]
| house=Founded the [[House of Durin]]
| parentage=None (created by [[Aulë]])
| siblings=
| spouse=
| children=
| gender=Male
| height=
| hair=
| eyes=
| clothing=
| weapons=
| steed=
}}
{{Quote|They say also that the Seven Fathers of the Dwarves return to live again in their own kin and to bear once more their ancient names: of whom Durin was the most renowned...|[[The Silmarillion]], "[[Of Aulë and Yavanna]]"}}

'''Durin the Deathless''', known as such due to his longevity, was the eldest of the [[Fathers of the Dwarves]], the founder of the city of [[Khazad-dûm]], and the first [[King of Durin's folk]].

==History==
===Origin===
{{main|Fathers of the Dwarves}}
[[File:Ted Nasmith - Aulë and the Seven Fathers.jpg‎|thumb|left|[[Ted Nasmith]] - ''Aulë and the Seven Fathers'']]
Durin was the eldest of the Seven [[Fathers of the Dwarves]] fashioned under a mountain by the [[Vala]] [[Aulë]] who yearned for the arrival of the [[Children of Ilúvatar]]. The Vala instructed his creations in the [[Khuzdul|speech]] he had devised for them when [[Ilúvatar]] pointed out that this was against His plans, and that Aulë, as a Vala, had no power to make animate creations. Aulë repented but Ilúvatar himself gave them independent life; and said that they shall sleep until after the coming of the [[Elves]], who were to be his Firstborn.<ref>{{S|Aule}}</ref>

Aulë laid the sleeping fathers and their mates in deep places; Durin had none.<ref>{{L|212}}</ref> He was set to sleep under [[Mount Gundabad]] in the [[Misty Mountains]] in the [[Years of the Trees]].<ref>{{PM|Dwarves}}</ref>

===Reign===
[[File:Ted Nasmith - Durin I Discovers the Three Peaks.jpg|thumb|right|[[Ted Nasmith]] - ''Durin I Discovers the Three Peaks'']]
When Durin awoke, he journeyed south alone through the wild where no person ever wandered before, and gave name to "nameless hills and dells".<ref>{{FR|Journey}}</ref> He came upon [[Kheled-zâram]] and looking upon [[Seven Stars|mysterious stars]] set [[Durin's Crown|like a crown]] reflected in its surface, he took this as a sign and erected [[Durin's Stone]] on the location of that event.<ref>{{FR|Lorien}}</ref> There, in the caves above the lake, he founded the city of [[Khazad-dûm]] and for many years, it was the greatest Dwarven city in Middle-earth.<ref name="Durin">{{App|Durin}}</ref>

Durin founded the [[House of Durin]] and his people became known as [[Durin's folk]], or the [[Longbeards]]. He lived to a great age, even by the measure of the Dwarves, until he was known as "the Deathless"; however, he was not actually immortal, and died before the end of the [[First Age]] and his tomb was in [[Khazad-dûm]].<ref name="Durin"/>

==Legacy==
The Longbeards believed that Durin would return seven times, and each time he will again be named Durin and reign as King. In one version told (in ''[[Appendix A]]''), these returns would be through an heir born into his line, held to be Durin reborn.<ref name="Durin"/>

Durin would not actually reincarnate in the sense of him being born and reborn in a new body. Rather, his original body was preserved, and his spirit would return to it and be granted life again. He would share this trait along with the other fathers of the Dwarves.<ref>{{NM|P2xv}}p. 264-265</ref>

[[Durin's Axe]], a great heirloom of Durin's folk, may have been his personal weapon although the canonicity of this is not certain; it was apparently found when [[Balin]] and [[Balin's colony|his colony]] came to Khazad-dûm in {{TA|2989}}.<ref>{{FR|Bridge}}</ref><ref>{{App|B2}}</ref>

==Etymology==
In-universe, the name ''Durin ''was a word for "king" in the language of the [[Men of the North]] in the early [[Second Age]].<ref name=relations>{{PM|Relations}}</ref>

In reality, ''Durinn'' is one of the Dwarfs in the ''[[Völuspá|Dvergatal]]''. The name means "Sleepy".<ref>Chester Nathan Gould, "Dwarf-Names: A Study in Old Icelandic Religion", published in ''Publications of the Modern Language Association of America'', Vol 44 (1929), issue #4, pp. 939-967</ref>

==Genealogy==
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{{familytree| |:| | |}}
{{familytree| DU2 | |DU2=[[Durin II]]''fl. late {{FA}}/early {{SA}}''}}
{{familytree| |:| | |}}
{{familytree| DU3 | |DU3=[[Durin III]]''fl. {{SA|1600}}''}}
{{familytree| |:| | |}}
{{familytree| DU4 | |DU4=[[Durin IV]]''fl. late {{SA}}/early {{TA}}''}}
{{familytree| |:| | |}}
{{familytree| DU5 | |DU5=[[Durin V]]''fl. late {{SA}}/early {{TA}}''}}
{{familytree| |:| | |}}
{{familytree| DUR | |DUR=[[Durin VI]] ''{{TA|1731}} - {{TA|1980|n}}''†}}
{{familytree| |:| | |}}
{{familytree| DUR | |DUR=[[Durin VII]] ''after {{FoA|171}}''}}
{{familytree/end}}

{{references|note}}
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| name=Durin I
| race=dwarf
| house=[[Durin's Folk|House of Durin]]
}}
{{seq
| pvac=None
| prev=Position created
| prow=2
| list=[[Kings of Durin's Folk|King of Durin's Folk]]
| nvac=Unknown
| next=Next known: [[Durin II]]
| nrow=2
}}
{{seq
| list=[[Kings of Khazad-dûm|King of Khazad-dûm]]
}}
{{seq-end}}

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[[fi:Durin Kuolematon]]