User talk:Amroth/Screenplays/The Lay of Leithian

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Anyone interested in this project should look here. Firstly, there are several tasks. The first is to decide a name, as we would if this were going to be a real movie. "Lay of Leithian" would ''not'' work, for reasons that should be obvious. Other ideas are listed below. You can add them as you like.

===Title Ideas===

*Beren and Lúthien
*Beren and the Two Jewels (''pertaining to Lúthien and the Silmaril'')
*Quest for the Silmaril
*Fairest (''refering to Lúthien'')

Now, there should probably be a prologue of introduction. Some ideas are listed below. Add ideas as you like.

===Prologue Ideas===

*[[Bilbo]]/[[Rúmil]]/??? takes down a book and begins to read
*There is shown a shot like the opening of the movie National Treasure, showing a brief history of the elves, shifting from one event to another with a narrator in the background

==Questions/suggestions/comments==

===Canto → Chapter===

Since Tolkien did not finish his lay, and as Canto is probably an incorrect word anyway, I am dividing up the book into Chapters, listed below. You may add on ideas as you wish.

====One====
This chapter, after the prologue, gives a brief glimpse of the lives of the outlaws, and has Beren leave on a scouting mission. Then it recounts the betrayal and Beren's return and grief. It ends at the swearing of his oath and burying of his father.

By the way, Sauron wouldn't refer to him as "Morgoth" but rather as "Melkor." Morgoth was the name the elves gave to Melkor.

====Three====
Here we give insight into the life of Lúthien, Daeron, Thingol, and Melian. We really need this, if it is not in the book. I personally don't favor a basic recounting, but rather a short piece that introduces the relationship of Thingol and Melian, the love of Daeron for Lúthien, and etc.

Specific scene ideas:

*Luthien and Daeron singing/playing music together in the forest. I think dialogue that reflects Daeron's adoration of Luthien, and possibly her discomfort about that, would go well.

:I had a thought. Perhaps we should introduce Daeron as a bit more than a minor character? I think he would be good as a secondary character. Perhaps we could introduce Lúthien through Daeron, rather than the other way around. It is probably a bad idea, but it might work depending on the direction that this screenplay is going. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 18:34, 21 December 2006 (EST)

*Thingol's overprotectiveness of Luthien playing out-- maybe her asking to go somewhere outside the Girdle of Melian and him loudly refusing-- though Luthien's nature would have to be concieved beforehand (whether she's adventurous, or just content to stay in Doriath.)

:Overprotectiveness? Protectiveness, perhaps. But I don't believe Thingol allowed anyone in his realm to go outside the Girdle without special permission. The main reason against Lúthien asking permission is that she would have no reason. Doriath was like a beleagured fortress; there were enemies on all sides for many miles around. What is more, Lúthien has dwelt there for hundreds of years. She would surely know the disposition of Thingol as to that option. Still, it would be good to show Thingol's love and protectiveness of her, so let's persue this discussion. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 18:34, 21 December 2006 (EST)

*Thingol's dislike of the Noldor; Melian's wisdom, keeping relations between her husband and the other Noldor in surrounding realms at least neutral. Maybe to explain the Girdle of Melian and those barred, a scene of some Noldorin Elves or orcs or mortals getting lost among the threshold.

*The relationship between Galadriel and Luthien-- it would be a cool little Easter egg for those who liked LotR to see Galadriel in her younger, pre-Lothlorien years.

:Galadriel wasn't in Doriath at this time, was she? If she was, I think this is a fine idea, so long as Galadriel didn't take over as a primary (or even secondary) character. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 18:34, 21 December 2006 (EST)

==General Discussion==
General Discussion should go beneath this title.

==Conceptual Design==
Below shall be discussion for Conceptual Design, and below the discussion conceptual drawings.

===[[Barahir son of Bregor|Barahir]]===

Barahir should be a deep-voiced man clad in green and brown, with a short black beard.

===[[Beren Erchamion]]===

===[[Sauron]]===

Sauron, as Lord of [[Werewolves]], I would imagine him in black armor with a wolf-skin draped over his back. His face should be sharp and cruel, though handsome, his voice cold but steady and evil, sharp as a knife.

===[[Lúthien]]===
Lúthien should, most definitely, be very beautiful (fairest of all children of Ilúvitar). She has long, "shadowy" dark hair, and grey eyes (though they can be grey/blue). She is slender and tall, with a pale face and graceful bearing. Keep in mind, she has to look very ethereal; Beren coming upon her sees her as some sort of goddess, and she has elven power enough to enchant Huan, Beren, Sauron, and Morgoth.

===[[Melian]]===
Very much like Lúthien; older, but still very beautiful. I imagine her as very regal, straight-- but kindly, and soft enough to intervene with Thingol.

===[[Thingol]]===

Thingol is tall and handsome, with a nose like those of Roman emperors, and eyes beneath dark brows. His hands are large, and in them he constantly clutches a staff with a leaf design at the top. His movements are slow and controlled, and it is only in his eyes and voice can it be told when he is angry. He tends to wear gray, and his crown is silver, though his vambraces and the trim to his clothes are a somber shade of green.

===[[Morgoth Bauglir]]===

===[[Finrod Felagund]]===

Finrod is tall and handsome, with long golden hair, and a face that is naturally filled with mirth. Though his bearing is steady and regal, his eyes are merry, and his voice is kind and hospitable.

===[[Doriath]]===

===[[Nargothrond]]===

===[[Angband]] and Morgoth's chamber===

Like Menegroth, only black and corrupt.

== Screenplay extension ==

There is a [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/ScreenPlay_Extension Screenlay Extension] available for MediaWiki, should I give a go at installing it? Should be fairly easy to implement but it's up to you guys. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 19:48, 14 August 2006 (EDT)

:Looks good to me. I'd say do it. By the way, I discovered [http://www.uib.no/People/hnohf/num-intro.htm this] by [[Helge Fauskanger]]. Very interesting, and he brings forth strong arguments. Enough that I am convinced. And his sub-screenplay is well-worked out as well. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 16:25, 1 September 2006 (EDT)

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