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Meriadoc Brandybuck

2010-09-01T20:24:17Z

Aragorn47:

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{{hobbit
| image=[[Image:John Howe - Merry.jpg|300px]]
| name=Meriadoc Brandybuck
| othernames=Merry, the Magnificent, [[Kalimac Brandagamba]] (his true [[Westron]] name)
| birth= Early in the year [[Third Age 2982|S.R. 1382]]
| death=Sometime between S.R. 1486-1495
| parentage=[[Saradoc Brandybuck]]<br/>[[Esmeralda Took]]
| location=[[Brandy Hall]], [[Buckland]]
| gender= Male
| height= Taller than average Hobbit
| hair= Brown
| eyes=
}}
{{quote|You can trust us to stick to you through thick and thin - to the bitter end. And you can trust us to keep any secret of yours - closer than you keep it yourself. But you cannot trust us to let you face trouble alone, and go off without a word. We are your friends, Frodo.|Merry, ''[[A Conspiracy Unmasked]]''}}

'''Meriadoc Brandybuck''', called '''The Magnificent''', was a [[Hobbits|Hobbit]], the son of [[Saradoc Brandybuck]]. Merry (as he was often called), was the heir of the [[Brandybuck Family|Brandybucks]] to [[Brandy Hall]], and eventually became the Master there.

==History==
Meriadoc was a part of and apparently led the [[Conspirators]], a group of Frodo's friends (namely [[Samwise Gamgee]], [[Peregrin Took]], [[Fredegar Bolger]], and himself) who sought to protect him (and [[One Ring|the Ring]]). Eventually, they revealed themselves to him, and demanded to be taken along when Frodo left [[Crickhollow]]. Merry had already arranged for provisions and ponies, so they were able to start right away.

During the following trip to [[Bree]], Merry seemed to have a greater knowledge of the [[Old Forest]] than any of the other Hobbits, and with them encountered [[Old Man Willow]], a [[Barrow-wights|Barrow-wight]], and [[Tom Bombadil]].

Upon reaching [[Bree]], Merry had an encounter with the [[Nazgûl|Black Riders]], and bravely followed them until he passed out from exposure to the [[Black Breath]]. During the trip through the wild with [[Aragorn]], then known as Strider, he often saw the most deeply into the others. After Frodo was wounded on [[Weathertop]], he became the one who consulted most with Strider, and in a way became the spokesman for the Hobbits.

After reaching [[Rivendell]], he, with Pippin, insisted on not being left behind on the [[Quest of the Ring]]. Therefore they were chosen as the eighth and ninth members of the [[Fellowship of the Ring]].

At the gate of [[Khazad-dûm|Moria]], he was commended by [[Gandalf]] for being "''of all people''" on the right track with the riddle (though this was hardly his fault). His impetuosity in Moria was such that he nearly fell into an ancient well running ahead with Pippin. When they reached [[Lothlórien]], he was allowed to sleep in a talan with Frodo, Sam, Pippin and a few elven guards. He, as with the rest of the Comapny, went blindfolded into the Woods of Lorien in a show of support for Gimli, who had to be blindfolded due to being a dwarf.

After the Breaking of the Fellowship Merry and Pippin tried to distract the orcs from Frodo, but ended up being cornered. Boromir came to their rescue, but the number of the Uruk-hai were too many and eventually he was felled by their leader, Ugluk. Captured with Pippin by [[Uruk-hai]], they were separated from the rest of the Fellowship. Merry aided Pippin in an attempt to deceive [[Grishnákh]] into thinking they had the One Ring, and he could have it. During the attack by [[Éomer]] and his [[Rohirrim|Outriders]] they escaped into [[Fangorn Forest]], meeting [[Treebeard]]. They thus became the first mortals for many centuries to encounter the [[Ents]] of Fangorn Forest. They were present at the [[Entmoot]], and the resulting destruction of [[Isengard]].

While Pippin and Gandalf headed away to [[Minas Tirith]], Merry stayed with Aragorn and the Rohirrim, developing a close friendship with King [[Théoden]]. Out of love for him, Merry offered the King his service, which Théoden warmly accepted. "''As a father you shall be to me''", Merry said at that time, and Théoden responded "''For a little while''".

Merry was forbidden - firmly but gently - by the King to ride with them to the aid of Minas Tirith because he could not ride the mighty horses of the Rohirrim so fast and so far. Merry was disappointed until a young rider named [[Dernhelm]] offered to bear him on his horse. In this manner he rode to the [[Battle of the Pelennor Fields]], having a secret understanding with [[Elfhelm]] and several others of the Rohirrim.

During the charge and the commencement of the battle he was almost useless, hiding behind Dernhelm and shaking with fright and nausea. However, Dernhelm's steed, [[Windfola]], threw them both upon the coming of the [[Witch-king]]. Affected by the [[Black Breath]], Merry lay almost senseless on the ground, hearing the voice of Dernhelm standing over the body of Théoden -- who had been mortally wounded by the Witch-king -- defying the Nazgûl. He was startled as he opened his eyes to find that Dernhelm was really [[Éowyn]], the King's niece. After Éowyn was thrown down, perhaps mortally wounded, Merry rose to attack the Witch-king to protect her. He stabbed the Witch-king through the calf with the [[Daggers_of_Westernesse|Barrow-blade]] he still bore, thus breaking the spell of invulnerability surrounding the Wraith. He fainted as Éowyn finished off the Witch-king with a thrust into the head.

Almost killed by the Black Breath, he was revived with Éowyn by Aragorn in the [[Houses of Healing]]. Because of his condition he was unable to go to the [[Battle of the Morannon]], but attended afterwards the burial of [[Théoden]], at which he wept greatly. Upon his departure for the Shire, he was given a special horn by Éomer and Éowyn as a parting gift.

Upon the return to the Shire, he was, with Pippin, the primary leader of the uprising against [[Sharkey]] and his [[Ruffians]]. He was afterwards known as '''Meriadoc the Magnificent''', and lived to be [[Master of Buckland]]. He lived to a ripe old age, coming down to Rohan (presumably after the death of his wife [[Estella Brandybuck|Estella Bolger]]) at the request of King Éomer, having lived 102 years. After the King died, he went to Gondor with his likewise aging friend Pippin, where they both died several years later, and were laid in [[Rath Dínen]]. It was said that they were laid beside [[Aragorn|King Elessar]] upon his death.

==Character==

He was a good friend of [[Frodo Baggins]], who eventually became the [[Ringbearer]], and [[Peregrin Took]], a young relative. He was one of the few (if any) who saw [[Bilbo Baggins]], Frodo's uncle, actually use the [[One Ring]]. He also managed to read, at least in part, Bilbo's book: ''[[There and Back Again]]'', where he learned about the Ring.

He can easily be recognized as a very sharp Hobbit, and his tone throughout ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'' depicts him as practical, loyal, resourceful, and the best able to cope with the sudden happenings that drew him out of his peaceful home. He was also praised by [[Aragorn|Aragorn II]] as having a 'stout heart'. He was apparently much trusted by Frodo, who sent him along with [[Fredegar Bolger|Fatty Bolger]] to [[Crickhollow]] to prepare his newly-bought home.

{{:Brandybuck Family}}

==Inspiration==
''Meriadoc'' (also spelled ''Meriadek'') was the legendary leader of a group of Welsh mercenaries who settled Armorica (modern Brittany) in the fourth century and founded the house of [[Rohan]].<ref> [[Mark T. Hooker]], [[The Hobbitonian Anthology]], p. 57</ref> Tolkien himself comments on the ''Celtic cast'' of this and other [[Buckland]] and [[Bree]] names that end in –ac, -ic, -oc. <ref>{{HM|PM}}, "[[The Appendix on Languages]]"</ref>

==Portrayal in adaptions==
'''1955: ''[[The Lord of the Rings (1955 radio series)|BBC Radio's The Lord of the Rings]]'':'''
:The voice of Merry is provided by [[Michael Collins]].<ref name="RT1672">Radio Times, Volume 129, No. 1672, [[November 25]], [[1955]]</ref>

'''1978: ''[[Ralph Bakshi's The Lord of the Rings]]'':'''
:The voice of Merry was provided by [[Simon Chandler]].

'''1979: ''[[The Lord of the Rings (1979 radio series)|Mind's Eye's The Lord of the Rings]]'':'''
:The voice of Merry was provided by [[Pat Franklyn]].

'''1980: ''[[Rankin/Bass' The Return of the King]]'':'''
:The voice of Merry was provided by [[Casey Kasem]].

'''1981: ''[[The Lord of the Rings (1981 radio series)|BBC Radio's The Lord of the Rings]]'':'''
:The part of Merry is portrayed by [[Richard O'Callaghan]].

'''1992: ''[[Tales from the Perilous Realm (1992 radio series)|BBC Radio's Tales from the Perilous Realm]]'':'''
:[[Matthew Morgan]] provided the voice of Merry in the two episodes of this series that make up ''The Adventures of Tom Bombadil''.

'''2001-3: ''[[The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy]]'':'''
:Merry was played by [[Dominic Monaghan]]. Many book-readers believe that, like Pippin, he was made far less competent in the movie than he was in the books: instead of a clever "Conspirator" who helped orchestrate Frodo's escape from the Shire, he was frequently a bumbler who had no idea what he was getting into.

'''2002: ''[[The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring (video game)|Vivendi's The Fellowship of the Ring]]'':'''
:The voice of Merry was provided by [[Quinton Flynn]]. Merry and Pippin are shown as the Conspirators, allthough the "[[Three is Company|three]]" does not include Sam. Merry meets Frodo in the [[Green Dragon Inn]], and he and Pippin ans Sam are not seen again until [[Bamfurlong]].
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Forums:Symbols

2009-05-08T21:03:29Z

Aragorn47:

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What are some symbols or items that would be specific to the whole of Middle Earth? (i.e.e in the way that the White Tree is to Gondor, horses to Rohan. etc.)--[[Special:Contributions/71.104.93.76|71.104.93.76]] 00:18, 3 May 2009 (UTC)Breragor

:None are known. "Arda" isn't a "faction", so there never was any need of identification with one symbol. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 08:30, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

::I know that. But I'm asking if there was one what do you think it would be?--{{User:Breragor/sig}} 18:25, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

:::The Sun and the Moon, as the chief heavenly lights against Darkness? -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 19:12, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Ya, that's the type of stuff I'm looking for. Universal symbols that might describe or express Middle Earth. I'm basically trying to design a flag to represent all of Middle Earth and I need help. If anyone can make one or help out let me know.--{{User:Breragor/sig}} 02:16, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

:Is this for the flag in ME? I've been thinking like a cross-swords, with Anduril and Glamdring, and then add either the Silmarils or the Ring.--[[User:Aragorn47|Aragorn47]] 21:03, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Forums:Middle Earth/Europe geography

2009-03-11T22:18:49Z

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After looking for a map of Middle Earth on Google, I found this, which I think is really interesting:
[http://strangemaps.files.wordpress.com/2007/06/middle-earth.jpg]
I would post the actual image, but I don't know if it's copyrighted or anything, so it's better to be safe. Anyways, I would like to know if this is really how Tolkien intended it to be, or just some fan making something up.

Forums:Age

2009-02-14T20:37:21Z

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Tolkien labeled/chronicled Middle Earth through Ages(F.A.,S.A.,T.A., Years of the Trees, etc.) How long is an age? How many mortal years make up F.A., etc. and the Years of the Trees? {{unsigned|Breragor}}

:"Age" is not a standard unit of time. A new Age starts, well, when the last one's over. The First Age lasted some 590 years, the Second 3441, and the Third 3021. See [[Timeline|here]] for more info. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 20:29, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

::Who decides when an age ends/begins?[[User:Breragor|A good day to me, is waking up in Middle Earth!]] 04:08, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

:::The chroniclers, the politicians, and history itself. They pretty much all end with a cataclysmic war, one that we today would describe at a "[[World War I|World War]]" - the [[War of Wrath]], the [[War of the Last Alliance]], and the [[War of the Ring]] in this case, though the Fourth Age started two years after the passing of [[the Ring]]. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 21:16, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

From what I have skimmed, the first age far surpassed the length of any other
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Age

The First Age began when Men awoke in Hildorien, not when Ea was created, as you are probably assuming. See the [[timeline]].--[[User:Aragorn47|Aragorn47]] 20:37, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Forums:Writing

2009-02-14T20:33:44Z

Aragorn47:

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I have begun to write something. I do not wish to create my own entirely new world and lore of elven legend and heritage, but do wish to create something uniquely apart from things already done. There are two options as I see it. Either paying homage either to some of the history created by Tolkien, or that of Dungeons and Dragons. I currently favor that of Tolkien. I've been searchingfor a hole, as it were, on which to center my tail. A realm not that of middle earth, but in the same world never the less.

Perhaps a land to the far south?

"Aldarion sailed to Vinyalonde and then followed the coast southward farther than any Numenorean ship had ever gone. On his return journey, he encountered storms and strong winds and was nearly shipwrecked off the coast of Harad. When he reached Vinyalonde he found the haven ruined by the Sea and by hostile Men. His ships were driven back by high winds three times as they tried to turn west toward Numenor. Aldarion's ship was struck by lightning and lost its mast. The ships finally made it back to Numenor in 843."

http://www.tuckborough.net/numenoreans.html#Tar-Aldarion

In skimming the history of the world which Tolkien has created, I would find it hard to believe that the Valar would not know of such a place, by way of never mentioning it. Perhaps, Eru had another thought once the Aniur left for Arda and became the Valar?

Or possibly, I should try to create a new world of my own which would not share any ties to world so beloved. The thought of creating my own history for such a place in not a daunting one, but the idea that I would have to come up with my own elvish language or two is ... all but a nightmare.

Any input into the matter would greatly be appreciated. I would also like to note that, I have never written anything other than for myself, been published, nor have I written anything in a very long time, but I started writing a story for some unknown reason, and I cannot stop.

I would strongly suggest creating your own world; especially if you want to get it published. Also, I believe it's more satisfactory to relise you can invest so much time into something and look at the outcome. I've studied language much, and have created a world of my own, with it's history, language, and such, like a real world or middle earth. [[User:Breragor|A good day to me, is waking up in Middle Earth!]]

Oh the time and task one would endure to create a language structure (not to mention symbols)that is sound in its practice ... fudge. LostWords.

:I've tried creating my own world, language, etc. All I've done so far is create a map, an alphabet, and a general history, all of which are very undeveloped. I have found I don't have nearly enough commitment to do this. That's really good if you do.--[[User:Aragorn47|Aragorn47]] 22:00, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

:Personally I think that you should place it in Middle-earth, in the [[Fourth Age]] maybe?--{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 17:00, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

It was fairly easy for me. However, I'd love to see a story about someone in Khand, Umbar, or The far lands of the Harads, before and/or after the War of the Ring. Maybe the main character was rebellious and didn't want to fight the West, maybe they were a spectator to the destruction of the Ring, so many possibilites...[[User:Breragor|A good day to me, is waking up in Middle Earth!]] 23:45, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

:Once I tried writing a round robin story with my friends about a clan of surviving Haradrim and wildmen in the fourth age, but it turned into a spoof. I can post it if anyone wants to see it.--[[User:Aragorn47|Aragorn47]] 20:33, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Forums:Stuff

2009-02-14T20:30:05Z

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I've have three topics here. The first is that I know of a controvercial pronounciation and I'm wondering how TG people pronounce Erech in Stone of Erech.
<br>Secondly, I'd like to know how to make those vertical lines so often used in formatting on this wiki.
<br> Lastly, I'd like to draw peoples' attention to the "Featured Quote" nominations etc. as we haven't had a new one in quite some time...''And That's The Way The Cookie Crumbles!''--{{User:Breragor/sig}}
:Erech is not Elvish but I guess it should be pronounced like one (German ch, like greek χ and not like 'Charlie'). As for the vertical lines I don't understand; which articles contain them? can you show? [[User:Sage|Sage]] 00:31, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
::I agree on Erech. As for the "vertical lines", I think you mean the [[wikipedia:Pipe_(character)|Pipe]]. It's upper case \. And a fourth thing: work on your sig, now it disrupts the rest of the text.-- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 19:42, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

:::First off, I know there's a prob with my sig, but I can't fix it. Secondly, you say upper case of / but how do you do that? Breragor

::::If you mean <nowiki>|</nowiki> this one, it's the on in upper case \, not /. It's usually near backspace. If you mean another, please tell me which one. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 08:14, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

No, that's it (|), thanks. Breragor

:::When you said that Erech should be pronounced with a German ch, did you mean the ich-laut, or the harsher kind?--[[User:Aragorn47|Aragorn47]] 20:30, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Forums:Lake men and Gondor

2009-02-14T20:24:02Z

Aragorn47:

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Does any one know or have an idea if the lake men of esgaroth had traded or have had any contact with the men of gondor--[[User:Woodmen|Woodmen]] 21:15, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

:It's nowhere mentioned. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 21:30, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

::Wouldn't it most likely have been dwarves? {{unsigned|Breragor}}

:::Seeing how surprised the Gondorians are to see an Elf and a Dwarf enter Minas Tirith, and Ingold's idea that anyone - Pippin, Easterlings - is a Dwarf based solely on stereotypical features (size, beard), I'd say no. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 08:16, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

If everyone is thought a dwarf, than I'd say "yes".

:::I would guess that they're most likely related to the people of Rohan, if anything.--[[User:Aragorn47|Aragorn47]] 20:24, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

Forums:LOTR and Nations

2009-01-17T22:29:08Z

Aragorn47:

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Hello, I am inviting any Tolkien-smart fan, like myself, to join my region on nationstates.net
Create a nation, the search from the "world" page, "The real middle earth" and click "find region" Move your nation there. It's a great, fun way to talk about LOTR and all! Thanks
My sig...{{unsigned|Breragor}}

:Yes, I think we've all got the message whether we wanted it or not. --[[User:Mith|Mith]] 09:10, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

::Actually I think it lookss quite interesting, I'll sign up and have a look.--{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 22:53, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, and i moved to a new region...Arnor
[[User:Breragor|A good day to me, is waking up in Middle Earth!]] 16:36, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

:This was not an opportunity for you to ''spam'' up <u>my</u> talk page with adverts for your game. You've advertised it in the forum and on other people's talk pages so you didn't need to clutter my page with this. --[[User:Mith|Mith who's not best pleased]]19:16, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

::I just created the Empire of Newer Mordor. :)--[[User:Aragorn47|Aragorn47]] 22:29, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Forums:Beleriand

2009-01-17T22:08:56Z

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So, Beleriand was the northern part of Middle Earth- but still kinda is. Most of it's western parts were covered in water how? and was it after Dagor Dagorath (*not canonical)? {{unsigned|Breragor}}

:No, after the [[War of Wrath]]. The [[Dagor Dagorath]] is the Battle of End Times, the Apocalypse, that, like any future event, may or may not happen. On the matter whether it's canonical: it's canonical as a prophecy (IMHO), but the account given (in [[The Shaping of Middle-earth|SoMe]], IIRC) isn't.-- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 04:39, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Canonical Definition in simple wrds again?

:For the Dagor Dagorath? It's the battle that takes place in the distant future of Arda, and will bring about the Second Music of the Ainur. For more information, you should probably read the [[Final Battle|article]].--[[User:Aragorn47|Aragorn47]] 22:08, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Forums:Beleriand

2009-01-17T22:08:33Z

Aragorn47:

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So, Beleriand was the northern part of Middle Earth- but still kinda is. Most of it's western parts were covered in water how? and was it after Dagor Dagorath (*not canonical)? {{unsigned|Breragor}}

:No, after the [[War of Wrath]]. The [[Dagor Dagorath]] is the Battle of End Times, the Apocalypse, that, like any future event, may or may not happen. On the matter whether it's canonical: it's canonical as a prophecy (IMHO), but the account given (in [[The Shaping of Middle-earth|SoMe]], IIRC) isn't.-- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 04:39, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Canonical Definition in simple wrds again?

:For the Dagor Dagorath? It's the battle that takes place in the distant future of Arda, and will bring about the Second Music of the Ainur. For more information, you should probably read the [[article|Final Battle]].--[[User:Aragorn47|Aragorn47]] 22:08, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Forums:Writing

2009-01-17T22:00:53Z

Aragorn47:

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I have begun to write something. I do not wish to create my own entirely new world and lore of elven legend and heritage, but do wish to create something uniquely apart from things already done. There are two options as I see it. Either paying homage either to some of the history created by Tolkien, or that of Dungeons and Dragons. I currently favor that of Tolkien. I've been searchingfor a hole, as it were, on which to center my tail. A realm not that of middle earth, but in the same world never the less.

Perhaps a land to the far south?

"Aldarion sailed to Vinyalonde and then followed the coast southward farther than any Numenorean ship had ever gone. On his return journey, he encountered storms and strong winds and was nearly shipwrecked off the coast of Harad. When he reached Vinyalonde he found the haven ruined by the Sea and by hostile Men. His ships were driven back by high winds three times as they tried to turn west toward Numenor. Aldarion's ship was struck by lightning and lost its mast. The ships finally made it back to Numenor in 843."

http://www.tuckborough.net/numenoreans.html#Tar-Aldarion

In skimming the history of the world which Tolkien has created, I would find it hard to believe that the Valar would not know of such a place, by way of never mentioning it. Perhaps, Eru had another thought once the Aniur left for Arda and became the Valar?

Or possibly, I should try to create a new world of my own which would not share any ties to world so beloved. The thought of creating my own history for such a place in not a daunting one, but the idea that I would have to come up with my own elvish language or two is ... all but a nightmare.

Any input into the matter would greatly be appreciated. I would also like to note that, I have never written anything other than for myself, been published, nor have I written anything in a very long time, but I started writing a story for some unknown reason, and I cannot stop.

I would strongly suggest creating your own world; especially if you want to get it published. Also, I believe it's more satisfactory to relise you can invest so much time into something and look at the outcome. I've studied language much, and have created a world of my own, with it's history, language, and such, like a real world or middle earth. [[User:Breragor|A good day to me, is waking up in Middle Earth!]]

Oh the time and task one would endure to create a language structure (not to mention symbols)that is sound in its practice ... fudge. LostWords.

:I've tried creating my own world, language, etc. All I've done so far is create a map, an alphabet, and a general history, all of which are very undeveloped. I have found I don't have nearly enough commitment to do this. That's really good if you do.--[[User:Aragorn47|Aragorn47]] 22:00, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Forums:Dagor dagorath

2009-01-17T02:01:47Z

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When does the Last Battle take place? In other words, how many years does the Fourth Age take place?--[[User:Aragorn47|Aragorn47]] 00:22, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

:The Fourth Age isn't the last! Tolkien's stories take place in the mythical past of our own world, and we are currently in a subsequent Age. From [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Age_and_Later_Ages#Later_Ages Wikipedia]:

::''Tolkien said that he thought the time between the end of the Third Age and the 20th century AD was about 6000 years, and that in AD 1958 it should have been around the end of the Fifth Age if the Fourth and Fifth Ages were about the same length as the Second and Third Ages. He said, however, in a letter written in 1958 that he believed the Ages had quickened and that it was about the end of the Sixth Age/beginning of the Seventh.''
:So you see the Dagor Dagorath is still to come. It will happen whenever Morgoth discovers how to free himself. It could be tomorrow! :P --[[User:Aule the Smith|Aule the Smith]] 11:00, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

::Indeed, we are all waiting for the [[Final Battle]] to arrive.

::On the issue of the current age, some people have speculated that the Fifth Age began with, perhaps the foundation of Rome (Rome being geographically close to Minas Tirith on the super-imposed map of Middle-earth), the Sixth Age began, unsurprisingly, with the birth of Christ, and the Seventh Age began with the fall of Nazi Germany and a new world order in 1945 (or the collapse of Soviet Russia and the end of the Cold War). I have seen people claim that the current year could be "Se.A. 63".

::None of this is actually canonical, but just fascinating to ponder on. --[[User:Mith|Mith]] 20:32, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

:::Did Tolkien write about this in any books? I guess I assumed we were part of [[Arda Unmarred]], since the geography of Middle-earth and the earth we live in are completely different. Although he did set some of his earliest stories in England... I'm going to be thinking about this for a while.--[[User:Aragorn47|Aragorn47]] 01:26, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Arda Unmarred

2009-01-17T01:39:25Z

Aragorn47: New page: {{Stub}} After the Final Battle, a second Music of the Ainur will be sung, forming a new world, called '''Arda Unmarred'''. Elves and men will sing with the Ainur in this second m...

{{Stub}}
After the [[Final Battle]], a second [[Music of the Ainur]] will be sung, forming a new world, called '''Arda Unmarred'''. Elves and men will sing with the Ainur in this second music. Nothing is known about the Second Music, except that it will be greater than the first.

Forums:Dagor dagorath

2009-01-17T01:26:46Z

Aragorn47:

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When does the Last Battle take place? In other words, how many years does the Fourth Age take place?--[[User:Aragorn47|Aragorn47]] 00:22, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

:The Fourth Age isn't the last! Tolkien's stories take place in the mythical past of our own world, and we are currently in a subsequent Age. From [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Age_and_Later_Ages#Later_Ages Wikipedia]:

::''Tolkien said that he thought the time between the end of the Third Age and the 20th century AD was about 6000 years, and that in AD 1958 it should have been around the end of the Fifth Age if the Fourth and Fifth Ages were about the same length as the Second and Third Ages. He said, however, in a letter written in 1958 that he believed the Ages had quickened and that it was about the end of the Sixth Age/beginning of the Seventh.''
:So you see the Dagor Dagorath is still to come. It will happen whenever Morgoth discovers how to free himself. It could be tomorrow! :P --[[User:Aule the Smith|Aule the Smith]] 11:00, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

::Indeed, we are all waiting for the [[Final Battle]] to arrive.

::On the issue of the current age, some people have speculated that the Fifth Age began with, perhaps the foundation of Rome (Rome being geographically close to Minas Tirith on the super-imposed map of Middle-earth), the Sixth Age began, unsurprisingly, with the birth of Christ, and the Seventh Age began with the fall of Nazi Germany and a new world order in 1945 (or the collapse of Soviet Russia and the end of the Cold War). I have seen people claim that the current year could be "Se.A. 63".

::None of this is actually canonical, but just fascinating to ponder on. --[[User:Mith|Mith]] 20:32, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

:::Did Tolkien write about this in any books? I guess I assumed we were part of [[Arda Unmarred]], since the geography of Middle-earth and the earth we live in are completely different.--[[User:Aragorn47|Aragorn47]] 01:26, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Forums:Dagor dagorath

2008-10-21T00:22:40Z

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When does the Last Battle take place? In other words, how many years does the Fourth Age take place?--[[User:Aragorn47|Aragorn47]] 00:22, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Forums:Re-Editing the PJ movies to be faithful to the books

2008-10-21T00:16:35Z

Aragorn47:

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I am involved with a lot of technologies that are cutting edge simulation technologies (funny, I can do some bizarre coding using egentic algorithms but cannot do HTML... Go figure)

Anyway, I have been aware of the work of a company called Image Metrics (they are not the only company able to do this either, they are just one of the first to get to market. Weta is investing '''HEAVILY''' in this technology as well) that is able to produce completely digital actors that are indistinguishable from a livig person.

Regardless of what Weta and PJ decide to do with this technology, what it means is that someone, at a future date, could use this technology to re-edit the LoTR movies to make them completely authentic and faithful to the books... And, all without having to re-hire any of the actors or do any on location shooting... As a matter of fact, the whole process would be done on a desktop computer altering the digital "film" that much of the movie was shot in.

If you would like to have a look at what the technology is like... Have a look at this >>[http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/times_online_tv/?vxSiteId=d8fa78dc-d7ad-4d5a-8886-e420d4bc4200&vxChannel=Arts%20and%20Entertainment&vxClipId=1152_timesonline1132&vxBitrate=300]<< link... It is a video of "Emily" demonstrating the technology

I wish that they had not put the warning before the video that Emily doesn't exist as a "real" person.

I know that if no one else is on this by 2015, that I will begin my own work on completing a faithful and complete set of movies for the ''Silmarillion'', ''Children of Hurin'' (replacing parts of ''The Silmarillion''), ''The Hobbit'', and ''The Lord of the Rings'' (possibly with many interludes and side-projects that would deal with the materials in ''Unfinished Tales'' and ''The History of Middle Earth''.

This is the sort of thing that advancing Information and digital simulation AI is making possible.

What will be even nicer. The Movies could be done in such a way as to make it possible for the viewer to do their own casting of the movie... Say that you wanted to see George Cloony as Aragorn, or Sam Neil as Gandalf (I didn't say that these were going to be good choices, just that they were possible), then all you would need to do would be to load the appropriate character wrap and off the film goes making the adjustments it needs along the way (How about Woody Allen as the Balrog? or Snoop Dog as Morgoth???)

Actually in all seriousness... You could make choices that were more to your liking and make sure that the dialog was proper too (like Legolas being the one to identify the Balrog in Moria, not Gandalf - and making Legolas a bit more mature looking... He was a few thousand years old after all)

Sorry for the verbosity, I tend to have that trouble.

[[User:Matthew|Matthew]] 16:56, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

:So you can really do all this, just with digital animation? Sweet. I don't know much about any of this stuff, but if there's any way I can help without doing anything like that, I would be glad to.--[[User:Aragorn47|Aragorn47]] 00:16, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

User:Aragorn47

2008-10-08T21:25:57Z

Aragorn47:

Hello fellow LOTR fans. Although I am probably not as learned in the works of [[J.R.R. Tolkien]] as many of you, I still consider myself to be an LOTR nerd. I have, however, read all three books in the trilogy, ''[[The Hobbit]]'', ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', ''[[The Children of Húrin]]'', and have now started ''[[The Book of Lost Tales Part 1|The Book of Lost Tales: Part I]]''. I hope to learn much on this site, and also to contribute as much as I can.

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2008-10-08T21:25:18Z

Aragorn47:

Army of the West

2008-10-08T21:16:27Z

Aragorn47: New page: The '''Army of the West''' was the great host prepared by the Lords of Gondor and Rohan to march on the Black Gate after the Battle of the Pelennor Fields. They left [[Minas Tirit...

The '''Army of the West''' was the great host prepared by the Lords of Gondor and Rohan to march on the [[Black Gate]] after the [[Battle of the Pelennor Fields]]. They left [[Minas Tirith]] two days after the council of the [[Last Debate]] with a force of around 7000 men: 6000 on foot and 1000 on horse.

When the host reached the [[Cross-roads]], the captains stationed a strong force of archers there, to guard against any attack from the East or South. Also left behind were many faint-hearted men who could not approach the Black Gate, and so were commanded to liberate [[Cair Andros]].

The Army of the West fought in the [[Battle of the Morannon]] with less than 6000 men total, but because of the destruction of [[The One Ring]], they were able to achieve a very decisive victory. It is not told how many casualties the army suffered.

[[Category:Armies]]

Armies of the West

2008-10-08T21:16:21Z

Aragorn47:

The '''Armies of the West''' refers to the the united armies of [[Gondor]], and [[Rohan]]; particularly during the [[War of the Ring]]. See [[Army of the West]].

[[Category:Armies]]
[[de:Heer des Westens]]
[[fi:Lännen Armeija]]

Battle of the Morannon

2008-10-08T20:54:28Z

Aragorn47: /* The Battle */

{{battle|
image=[[Image:rotk2196.jpg|300px]]|
name=Battle of the Morannon|
conflict=[[Battle of the Morannon]]|
date=[[March 25]], [[Third Age 3019]]|
place=[[Dagorlad]]|
result= Decisive victory for Gondor and Rohan|
side1=[[Gondor]], [[Rohan]]|
side2= [[Mordor]], [[Rhûn]], [[Khand]]|
commanders1=*[[Aragorn II|Aragorn]]
*[[Gandalf]]
*[[Imrahil]]
*[[Éomer]]|
commanders2=*The [[Mouth of Sauron]]|
forces1=Less than 6,000 from Gondor and Rohan, and [[Eagles]]|
forces2=Unknown total strength, but vast numerical superiority to the forces of Gondor and Rohan; possibly 60-100,000. Forces consisting of [[Orcs]], [[Trolls]], the [[Nazgûl]], [[Fell Beasts]], and [[Easterlings]] (men of Rhûn, [[Variags]] of [[Khand]], etc.)|
casual1=
Unknown, but probably moderate|
casual2=
Destruction of nearly all orcs, trolls; the remaining Nazgûl destroyed; heavy Easterling and Haradrim losses (the rest were pardoned)
}}

The '''Battle of the Morannon''', also known as the '''Battle of the Black Gate''', was the last major battle against [[Sauron]] in the [[War of the Ring]], fought at the Black Gate of [[Mordor]]. The army of the West, 6,000 strong by now, led by [[Aragorn II|Aragorn]] marched on the gate as a diversionary feint to distract [[Sauron]]'s attention from [[Frodo Baggins|Frodo]] and [[Samwise Gamgee|Sam]], who were carrying the [[One Ring]] through Mordor. It was hoped that Sauron would think Aragorn had the Ring and was now trying to use it to overthrow Mordor.

== Prior to the Battle ==
Initially, the Army of the West had been composed of 7,000 men, but many were stationed at various places along the way. A strong guard of archers were stationed at the [[Cross-roads]], in case enemy troops came from the [[Cirith Ungol|Morgul Pass]] or from the South. In addition, Aragorn dismissed the faint of heart, who would not go to the [[Dagorlad]], ordering them to liberate [[Cair Andros]] on the river Anduin. This resulted in the departure of over 1000 men, leaving less than 6000 to continue on towards the [[Black Gate]].

Before the battle began, Sauron sent one of his servants, the [[Black Númenóreans|Black Númenórean]] called the [[Mouth of Sauron]], to speak with the Captains of the West. He tried to trick [[Gandalf]] into believing Sauron held Frodo captive, displaying as evidence items that had belonged to Frodo and Sam (Sam's sword, an [[Elves|Elven]] cloak, and Frodo's ''[[Mithril]]'' shirt.) The Mouth threatened that Frodo would be tortured if the West did not agree to Sauron's terms of surrender. (It is clear that while Sauron knew there was a Hobbit in Mordor, he did not know why. He also probably did not know there were two.) Gandalf, however, refused to be swayed, took the items from the Mouth of Sauron, and sent him away. Amazed and angered, the Mouth of Sauron rode back to the Black Gate, let it be opened, and the forces of Sauron marched out. At the same time, more of Sauron's forces that had been hidden in the hills around the Black Gate came forth, thus surrounding the Men of the West. Sauron's army outnumbered that of the West by at least ten to one.

== The Battle ==

Against Aragorn's army was arrayed Sauron's hordes of [[Orcs]], [[Trolls]], and barbarian [[Men|Mannish]] allies such as the [[Easterlings]] and [[Haradrim]]. An exact count is not given of the number of Sauron's forces, and though they numbered in the tens of thousands at least, the battle is said to not have been quite as large as the preceding [[Battle of the Pelennor Fields]].

During the course of the battle, the eight [[Nazgûl]] still alive attacked the army of the West. The [[Eagles]] of the [[Misty Mountains]], led by [[Gwaihir]] the Windlord, arrived and attacked the Ringwraiths. At that moment, when all hope seemed lost, Frodo put on the One Ring and Sauron realized that Frodo was inside [[Mount Doom]]. The Nazgûl immediately left the battle to intercept Frodo. However, [[Gollum]] bit the Ring off Frodo's finger and then accidentally fell into the [[Crack of Doom]], and Sauron's power was overthrown.

The Nazgûl had been flying over Mount Doom just as it underwent a gigantic volcanic eruption, and they were all destroyed in the firestorm. [[Barad-dûr]], the Black Gate, and the [[Towers of the Teeth]] collapsed to ruin. The Orcs and other creatures of Sauron were completely directionless with the Dark Lord's demise and were easily decimated by the army of the West. The Easterlings fought on stalwartly, though eventually many threw down their weapons and surrendered.

== Aftermath ==

Fighting against Sauron's remaining forces would continue in the northern theater of the War of the Ring for several weeks, notably at [[Dol Guldur]] in [[Mirkwood]] and at [[Erebor]], but the power of the Dark Lord of Mordor was no more.

Months later, the [[Battle of Bywater]] in the [[Shire]] against ruffians led by [[Saruman]], and the subsequent killing of Saruman and [[Wormtongue]] on the very doorstep of [[Bag End]], ended the [[War of the Ring]].

{{wotr}}

[[Category:Conflicts of the Third Age]]
[[de:Schlacht am Morannon]]
[[fr:encyclo:evenements:3a:guerres:bataille_de_la_morannon]]

Battle of the Morannon

2008-10-08T20:45:52Z

Aragorn47: /* The Battle */

{{battle|
image=[[Image:rotk2196.jpg|300px]]|
name=Battle of the Morannon|
conflict=[[Battle of the Morannon]]|
date=[[March 25]], [[Third Age 3019]]|
place=[[Dagorlad]]|
result= Decisive victory for Gondor and Rohan|
side1=[[Gondor]], [[Rohan]]|
side2= [[Mordor]], [[Rhûn]], [[Khand]]|
commanders1=*[[Aragorn II|Aragorn]]
*[[Gandalf]]
*[[Imrahil]]
*[[Éomer]]|
commanders2=*The [[Mouth of Sauron]]|
forces1=Less than 6,000 from Gondor and Rohan, and [[Eagles]]|
forces2=Unknown total strength, but vast numerical superiority to the forces of Gondor and Rohan; possibly 60-100,000. Forces consisting of [[Orcs]], [[Trolls]], the [[Nazgûl]], [[Fell Beasts]], and [[Easterlings]] (men of Rhûn, [[Variags]] of [[Khand]], etc.)|
casual1=
Unknown, but probably moderate|
casual2=
Destruction of nearly all orcs, trolls; the remaining Nazgûl destroyed; heavy Easterling and Haradrim losses (the rest were pardoned)
}}

The '''Battle of the Morannon''', also known as the '''Battle of the Black Gate''', was the last major battle against [[Sauron]] in the [[War of the Ring]], fought at the Black Gate of [[Mordor]]. The army of the West, 6,000 strong by now, led by [[Aragorn II|Aragorn]] marched on the gate as a diversionary feint to distract [[Sauron]]'s attention from [[Frodo Baggins|Frodo]] and [[Samwise Gamgee|Sam]], who were carrying the [[One Ring]] through Mordor. It was hoped that Sauron would think Aragorn had the Ring and was now trying to use it to overthrow Mordor.

== Prior to the Battle ==
Initially, the Army of the West had been composed of 7,000 men, but many were stationed at various places along the way. A strong guard of archers were stationed at the [[Cross-roads]], in case enemy troops came from the [[Cirith Ungol|Morgul Pass]] or from the South. In addition, Aragorn dismissed the faint of heart, who would not go to the [[Dagorlad]], ordering them to liberate [[Cair Andros]] on the river Anduin. This resulted in the departure of over 1000 men, leaving less than 6000 to continue on towards the [[Black Gate]].

Before the battle began, Sauron sent one of his servants, the [[Black Númenóreans|Black Númenórean]] called the [[Mouth of Sauron]], to speak with the Captains of the West. He tried to trick [[Gandalf]] into believing Sauron held Frodo captive, displaying as evidence items that had belonged to Frodo and Sam (Sam's sword, an [[Elves|Elven]] cloak, and Frodo's ''[[Mithril]]'' shirt.) The Mouth threatened that Frodo would be tortured if the West did not agree to Sauron's terms of surrender. (It is clear that while Sauron knew there was a Hobbit in Mordor, he did not know why. He also probably did not know there were two.) Gandalf, however, refused to be swayed, took the items from the Mouth of Sauron, and sent him away. Amazed and angered, the Mouth of Sauron rode back to the Black Gate, let it be opened, and the forces of Sauron marched out. At the same time, more of Sauron's forces that had been hidden in the hills around the Black Gate came forth, thus surrounding the Men of the West. Sauron's army outnumbered that of the West by at least ten to one.

== The Battle ==

Against Aragorn's army was arrayed Sauron's hordes of [[Orcs]], [[Trolls]], and barbarian [[Men|Mannish]] allies such as the [[Easterlings]] and [[Haradrim]]. An exact count is not given of the number of Sauron's forces, and though they numbered in the tens of thousands at least, the battle is said to not have been quite as large as the preceding [[Battle of the Pelennor Fields]].

During the course of the battle, the eight [[Nazgûl]] still alive attacked the army of the West. The [[Eagles]] of the [[Misty Mountains]], led by [[Gwaihir]] the Windlord, arrived and attacked the Ringwraiths. At that moment, when all hope seemed lost, Frodo put on the One Ring and Sauron realized that Frodo was inside [[Mount Doom]]. The Nazgûl immediately left the battle to intercept Frodo. However, [[Gollum]] bit the Ring off Frodo's finger and then accidentally fell into the [[Crack of Doom]], and Sauron's power was overthrown.

The Nazgûl had been flying over Mount Doom just as it underwent a gigantic volcanic eruption, and they were all destroyed in the firestorm. [[Barad-dûr]], the Black Gate and, the Towers of Teeth collapsed to ruin. The Orcs and other creatures of Sauron were completely directionless with the Dark Lord's demise and were easily decimated by the army of the West. The Easterlings fought on stalwartly, though eventually many threw down their weapons and surrendered.

== Aftermath ==

Fighting against Sauron's remaining forces would continue in the northern theater of the War of the Ring for several weeks, notably at [[Dol Guldur]] in [[Mirkwood]] and at [[Erebor]], but the power of the Dark Lord of Mordor was no more.

Months later, the [[Battle of Bywater]] in the [[Shire]] against ruffians led by [[Saruman]], and the subsequent killing of Saruman and [[Wormtongue]] on the very doorstep of [[Bag End]], ended the [[War of the Ring]].

{{wotr}}

[[Category:Conflicts of the Third Age]]
[[de:Schlacht am Morannon]]
[[fr:encyclo:evenements:3a:guerres:bataille_de_la_morannon]]

Battle of the Morannon

2008-10-08T20:44:59Z

Aragorn47:

{{battle|
image=[[Image:rotk2196.jpg|300px]]|
name=Battle of the Morannon|
conflict=[[Battle of the Morannon]]|
date=[[March 25]], [[Third Age 3019]]|
place=[[Dagorlad]]|
result= Decisive victory for Gondor and Rohan|
side1=[[Gondor]], [[Rohan]]|
side2= [[Mordor]], [[Rhûn]], [[Khand]]|
commanders1=*[[Aragorn II|Aragorn]]
*[[Gandalf]]
*[[Imrahil]]
*[[Éomer]]|
commanders2=*The [[Mouth of Sauron]]|
forces1=Less than 6,000 from Gondor and Rohan, and [[Eagles]]|
forces2=Unknown total strength, but vast numerical superiority to the forces of Gondor and Rohan; possibly 60-100,000. Forces consisting of [[Orcs]], [[Trolls]], the [[Nazgûl]], [[Fell Beasts]], and [[Easterlings]] (men of Rhûn, [[Variags]] of [[Khand]], etc.)|
casual1=
Unknown, but probably moderate|
casual2=
Destruction of nearly all orcs, trolls; the remaining Nazgûl destroyed; heavy Easterling and Haradrim losses (the rest were pardoned)
}}

The '''Battle of the Morannon''', also known as the '''Battle of the Black Gate''', was the last major battle against [[Sauron]] in the [[War of the Ring]], fought at the Black Gate of [[Mordor]]. The army of the West, 6,000 strong by now, led by [[Aragorn II|Aragorn]] marched on the gate as a diversionary feint to distract [[Sauron]]'s attention from [[Frodo Baggins|Frodo]] and [[Samwise Gamgee|Sam]], who were carrying the [[One Ring]] through Mordor. It was hoped that Sauron would think Aragorn had the Ring and was now trying to use it to overthrow Mordor.

== Prior to the Battle ==
Initially, the Army of the West had been composed of 7,000 men, but many were stationed at various places along the way. A strong guard of archers were stationed at the [[Cross-roads]], in case enemy troops came from the [[Cirith Ungol|Morgul Pass]] or from the South. In addition, Aragorn dismissed the faint of heart, who would not go to the [[Dagorlad]], ordering them to liberate [[Cair Andros]] on the river Anduin. This resulted in the departure of over 1000 men, leaving less than 6000 to continue on towards the [[Black Gate]].

Before the battle began, Sauron sent one of his servants, the [[Black Númenóreans|Black Númenórean]] called the [[Mouth of Sauron]], to speak with the Captains of the West. He tried to trick [[Gandalf]] into believing Sauron held Frodo captive, displaying as evidence items that had belonged to Frodo and Sam (Sam's sword, an [[Elves|Elven]] cloak, and Frodo's ''[[Mithril]]'' shirt.) The Mouth threatened that Frodo would be tortured if the West did not agree to Sauron's terms of surrender. (It is clear that while Sauron knew there was a Hobbit in Mordor, he did not know why. He also probably did not know there were two.) Gandalf, however, refused to be swayed, took the items from the Mouth of Sauron, and sent him away. Amazed and angered, the Mouth of Sauron rode back to the Black Gate, let it be opened, and the forces of Sauron marched out. At the same time, more of Sauron's forces that had been hidden in the hills around the Black Gate came forth, thus surrounding the Men of the West. Sauron's army outnumbered that of the West by at least ten to one.

== The Battle ==

Against Aragorn's army was arrayed Sauron's hordes of [[Orcs]], [[Trolls]], and barbarian [[Men|Mannish]] allies such as the [[Easterlings]] and [[Haradrim]]. An exact count is not given of the number of Sauron's forces, and though they numbered in the tens of thousands at least, the battle is said to not have been as quite large as the preceding [[Battle of the Pelennor Fields]].

During the course of the battle, the eight [[Nazgûl]] still alive attacked the army of the West. The [[Eagles]] of the [[Misty Mountains]], led by [[Gwaihir]] the Windlord, arrived and attacked the Ringwraiths. At that moment, when all hope seemed lost, Frodo put on the One Ring and Sauron realized that Frodo was inside [[Mount Doom]]. The Nazgûl immediately left the battle to intercept Frodo. However, [[Gollum]] bit the Ring off Frodo's finger and then accidentally fell into the [[Crack of Doom]], and Sauron's power was overthrown.

The Nazgûl had been flying over Mount Doom just as it underwent a gigantic volcanic eruption, and they were all destroyed in the firestorm. [[Barad-dûr]], the Black Gate and, the Towers of Teeth collapsed to ruin. The Orcs and other creatures of Sauron were completely directionless with the Dark Lord's demise and were easily decimated by the army of the West. The Easterlings fought on stalwartly, though eventually many threw down their weapons and surrendered.

== Aftermath ==

Fighting against Sauron's remaining forces would continue in the northern theater of the War of the Ring for several weeks, notably at [[Dol Guldur]] in [[Mirkwood]] and at [[Erebor]], but the power of the Dark Lord of Mordor was no more.

Months later, the [[Battle of Bywater]] in the [[Shire]] against ruffians led by [[Saruman]], and the subsequent killing of Saruman and [[Wormtongue]] on the very doorstep of [[Bag End]], ended the [[War of the Ring]].

{{wotr}}

[[Category:Conflicts of the Third Age]]
[[de:Schlacht am Morannon]]
[[fr:encyclo:evenements:3a:guerres:bataille_de_la_morannon]]

Battle of the Morannon

2008-10-08T20:41:49Z

Aragorn47: /* Prior to the Battle */

{{battle|
image=[[Image:rotk2196.jpg|300px]]|
name=Battle of the Morannon|
conflict=[[Battle of the Morannon]]|
date=[[March 25]], [[Third Age 3019]]|
place=[[Dagorlad]]|
result= Decisive victory of Gondor and Rohan|
side1=[[Gondor]], [[Rohan]]|
side2= [[Mordor]], [[Rhûn]], [[Khand]]|
commanders1=*[[Aragorn II|Aragorn]]
*[[Gandalf]]
*[[Imrahil]]
*[[Éomer]]|
commanders2=*The [[Mouth of Sauron]]|
forces1=6,000 from Gondor and Rohan and [[Eagles]]|
forces2=Unknown total strength, but vast numerical superiority to the forces of Gondor and Rohan; possibly 60-100,000. Forces consisting of [[Orcs]], [[Trolls]], the [[Nazgûl]], [[Fell Beasts]], and [[Easterlings]] (men of Rhûn, [[Variags]] of [[Khand]], etc.)|
casual1=
Unknown, but probably moderate|
casual2=
Destruction of nearly all orcs, trolls; the remaining Nazgûl destroyed; heavy Easterling and Haradrim losses (the rest were pardoned)
}}

The '''Battle of the Morannon''', also known as the '''Battle of the Black Gate''', was the last major battle against [[Sauron]] in the [[War of the Ring]], fought at the Black Gate of [[Mordor]]. The army of the West, 6,000 strong by now, led by [[Aragorn II|Aragorn]] marched on the gate as a diversionary feint to distract [[Sauron]]'s attention from [[Frodo Baggins|Frodo]] and [[Samwise Gamgee|Sam]], who were carrying the [[One Ring]] through Mordor. It was hoped that Sauron would think Aragorn had the Ring and was now trying to use it to overthrow Mordor.

== Prior to the Battle ==
Initially, the Army of the West had been composed of 7,000 men, but many were stationed at various places along the way. A strong guard of archers were stationed at the [[Cross-roads]], in case enemy troops came from the [[Cirith Ungol|Morgul Pass]] or from the South. In addition, Aragorn dismissed the faint of heart, who would not go to the [[Dagorlad]], ordering them to liberate [[Cair Andros]] on the river Anduin. This resulted in the departure of over 1000 men, leaving less than 6000 to continue on towards the [[Black Gate]].

Before the battle began, Sauron sent one of his servants, the [[Black Númenóreans|Black Númenórean]] called the [[Mouth of Sauron]], to speak with the Captains of the West. He tried to trick [[Gandalf]] into believing Sauron held Frodo captive, displaying as evidence items that had belonged to Frodo and Sam (Sam's sword, an [[Elves|Elven]] cloak, and Frodo's ''[[Mithril]]'' shirt.) The Mouth threatened that Frodo would be tortured if the West did not agree to Sauron's terms of surrender. (It is clear that while Sauron knew there was a Hobbit in Mordor, he did not know why. He also probably did not know there were two.) Gandalf, however, refused to be swayed, took the items from the Mouth of Sauron, and sent him away. Amazed and angered, the Mouth of Sauron rode back to the Black Gate, let it be opened, and the forces of Sauron marched out. At the same time, more of Sauron's forces that had been hidden in the hills around the Black Gate came forth, thus surrounding the Men of the West. Sauron's army outnumbered that of the West by at least ten to one.

== The Battle ==

Against Aragorn's army was arrayed Sauron's hordes of [[Orcs]], [[Trolls]], and barbarian [[Men|Mannish]] allies such as the [[Easterlings]] and [[Haradrim]]. An exact count is not given of the number of Sauron's forces, and though they numbered in the tens of thousands at least, the battle is said to not have been as quite large as the preceding [[Battle of the Pelennor Fields]].

During the course of the battle, the eight [[Nazgûl]] still alive attacked the army of the West. The [[Eagles]] of the [[Misty Mountains]], led by [[Gwaihir]] the Windlord, arrived and attacked the Ringwraiths. At that moment, when all hope seemed lost, Frodo put on the One Ring and Sauron realized that Frodo was inside [[Mount Doom]]. The Nazgûl immediately left the battle to intercept Frodo. However, [[Gollum]] bit the Ring off Frodo's finger and then accidentally fell into the [[Crack of Doom]], and Sauron's power was overthrown.

The Nazgûl had been flying over Mount Doom just as it underwent a gigantic volcanic eruption, and they were all destroyed in the firestorm. [[Barad-dûr]], the Black Gate and, the Towers of Teeth collapsed to ruin. The Orcs and other creatures of Sauron were completely directionless with the Dark Lord's demise and were easily decimated by the army of the West. The Easterlings fought on stalwartly, though eventually many threw down their weapons and surrendered.

== Aftermath ==

Fighting against Sauron's remaining forces would continue in the northern theater of the War of the Ring for several weeks, notably at [[Dol Guldur]] in [[Mirkwood]] and at [[Erebor]], but the power of the Dark Lord of Mordor was no more.

Months later, the [[Battle of Bywater]] in the [[Shire]] against ruffians led by [[Saruman]], and the subsequent killing of Saruman and [[Wormtongue]] on the very doorstep of [[Bag End]], ended the [[War of the Ring]].

{{wotr}}

[[Category:Conflicts of the Third Age]]
[[de:Schlacht am Morannon]]
[[fr:encyclo:evenements:3a:guerres:bataille_de_la_morannon]]

Cirith Ungol

2008-10-08T20:41:24Z

Aragorn47:

{{location
| image=[[Image:Rob Alexander - Cirith Ungol.jpg|250px]]
| name=Cirith Ungol
| othernames=
| etymology=[[S.]] ''[[cirith]]'' "pass, cleft" + ''[[ungol]]'' "spider"
| type=Pass
| location=[[Ephel Dúath]]
| inhabitants=[[Men]], [[Orcs]], [[Shelob]]
| realms=[[Gondor]] (? - [[Third Age 1636|T.A. 1636]]), [[Mordor]] ([[Third Age 1980|T.A. 1980]] - [[Third Age 3019|T.A. 3019]])
| description=Guarded pass into Mordor
| events=[[Quest of the Ring]]
| references=''[[The Two Towers]]'', ''[[The Return of the King]]''
|}}
'''Cirith Ungol''' ("Spider's Cleft" in [[Sindarin]]; also known as the Morgul Pass) was the pass through the western mountains of [[Mordor]] and the only way towards the land from the west.

It was guarded by the '''[[Tower of Cirith Ungol]]''', built by the Men of [[Gondor]] after the War of the [[Last Alliance of Elves and Men]] was fought.

During the [[War of the Ring]], [[Frodo Baggins]] and [[Samwise Gamgee]] were led to this pass by [[Gollum]] to the lair of the giant spider [[Shelob]] who dwelt there.

It is not known whether the pass and the tower were called Cirith Ungol when the Men of Gondor held it since Shelob could not have inhabited the cavernous entrance of the pass at that time.
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[[Category:Valleys]]
[[Category:Mordor]]

[[de:Cirith Ungol]]
[[fr:encyclo:geographie:reliefs:mordor:cirith_ungol]]
[[fi:Cirith Ungol]]

Battle of the Morannon

2008-10-08T20:38:03Z

Aragorn47: /* Prior to the Battle */

{{battle|
image=[[Image:rotk2196.jpg|300px]]|
name=Battle of the Morannon|
conflict=[[Battle of the Morannon]]|
date=[[March 25]], [[Third Age 3019]]|
place=[[Dagorlad]]|
result= Decisive victory of Gondor and Rohan|
side1=[[Gondor]], [[Rohan]]|
side2= [[Mordor]], [[Rhûn]], [[Khand]]|
commanders1=*[[Aragorn II|Aragorn]]
*[[Gandalf]]
*[[Imrahil]]
*[[Éomer]]|
commanders2=*The [[Mouth of Sauron]]|
forces1=6,000 from Gondor and Rohan and [[Eagles]]|
forces2=Unknown total strength, but vast numerical superiority to the forces of Gondor and Rohan; possibly 60-100,000. Forces consisting of [[Orcs]], [[Trolls]], the [[Nazgûl]], [[Fell Beasts]], and [[Easterlings]] (men of Rhûn, [[Variags]] of [[Khand]], etc.)|
casual1=
Unknown, but probably moderate|
casual2=
Destruction of nearly all orcs, trolls; the remaining Nazgûl destroyed; heavy Easterling and Haradrim losses (the rest were pardoned)
}}

The '''Battle of the Morannon''', also known as the '''Battle of the Black Gate''', was the last major battle against [[Sauron]] in the [[War of the Ring]], fought at the Black Gate of [[Mordor]]. The army of the West, 6,000 strong by now, led by [[Aragorn II|Aragorn]] marched on the gate as a diversionary feint to distract [[Sauron]]'s attention from [[Frodo Baggins|Frodo]] and [[Samwise Gamgee|Sam]], who were carrying the [[One Ring]] through Mordor. It was hoped that Sauron would think Aragorn had the Ring and was now trying to use it to overthrow Mordor.

== Prior to the Battle ==
Initially, the Army of the West had been composed of 7,000 men, but many were stationed at various places along the way. A strong guard of archers were stationed at the [[Cross-roads]], in case enemy troops came from the [[Morgul Pass]] or from the South. In addition, Aragorn dismissed the faint of heart, who would not go to the [[Dagorlad]], ordering them to liberate [[Cair Andros]] on the river Anduin. This resulted in the departure of over 1000 men, leaving less than 6000 to continue on towards the [[Black Gate]].

Before the battle began, Sauron sent one of his servants, the [[Black Númenóreans|Black Númenórean]] called the [[Mouth of Sauron]], to speak with the Captains of the West. He tried to trick [[Gandalf]] into believing Sauron held Frodo captive, displaying as evidence items that had belonged to Frodo and Sam (Sam's sword, an [[Elves|Elven]] cloak, and Frodo's ''[[Mithril]]'' shirt.) The Mouth threatened that Frodo would be tortured if the West did not agree to Sauron's terms of surrender. (It is clear that while Sauron knew there was a Hobbit in Mordor, he did not know why. He also probably did not know there were two.) Gandalf, however, refused to be swayed, took the items from the Mouth of Sauron, and sent him away. Amazed and angered, the Mouth of Sauron rode back to the Black Gate, let it be opened, and the forces of Sauron marched out. At the same time, more of Sauron's forces that had been hidden in the hills around the Black Gate came forth, thus surrounding the Men of the West. Sauron's army outnumbered that of the West by at least ten to one.

== The Battle ==

Against Aragorn's army was arrayed Sauron's hordes of [[Orcs]], [[Trolls]], and barbarian [[Men|Mannish]] allies such as the [[Easterlings]] and [[Haradrim]]. An exact count is not given of the number of Sauron's forces, and though they numbered in the tens of thousands at least, the battle is said to not have been as quite large as the preceding [[Battle of the Pelennor Fields]].

During the course of the battle, the eight [[Nazgûl]] still alive attacked the army of the West. The [[Eagles]] of the [[Misty Mountains]], led by [[Gwaihir]] the Windlord, arrived and attacked the Ringwraiths. At that moment, when all hope seemed lost, Frodo put on the One Ring and Sauron realized that Frodo was inside [[Mount Doom]]. The Nazgûl immediately left the battle to intercept Frodo. However, [[Gollum]] bit the Ring off Frodo's finger and then accidentally fell into the [[Crack of Doom]], and Sauron's power was overthrown.

The Nazgûl had been flying over Mount Doom just as it underwent a gigantic volcanic eruption, and they were all destroyed in the firestorm. [[Barad-dûr]], the Black Gate and, the Towers of Teeth collapsed to ruin. The Orcs and other creatures of Sauron were completely directionless with the Dark Lord's demise and were easily decimated by the army of the West. The Easterlings fought on stalwartly, though eventually many threw down their weapons and surrendered.

== Aftermath ==

Fighting against Sauron's remaining forces would continue in the northern theater of the War of the Ring for several weeks, notably at [[Dol Guldur]] in [[Mirkwood]] and at [[Erebor]], but the power of the Dark Lord of Mordor was no more.

Months later, the [[Battle of Bywater]] in the [[Shire]] against ruffians led by [[Saruman]], and the subsequent killing of Saruman and [[Wormtongue]] on the very doorstep of [[Bag End]], ended the [[War of the Ring]].

{{wotr}}

[[Category:Conflicts of the Third Age]]
[[de:Schlacht am Morannon]]
[[fr:encyclo:evenements:3a:guerres:bataille_de_la_morannon]]

Battle of the Morannon

2008-10-08T20:31:27Z

Aragorn47: /* Prior to the Battle */

{{battle|
image=[[Image:rotk2196.jpg|300px]]|
name=Battle of the Morannon|
conflict=[[Battle of the Morannon]]|
date=[[March 25]], [[Third Age 3019]]|
place=[[Dagorlad]]|
result= Decisive victory of Gondor and Rohan|
side1=[[Gondor]], [[Rohan]]|
side2= [[Mordor]], [[Rhûn]], [[Khand]]|
commanders1=*[[Aragorn II|Aragorn]]
*[[Gandalf]]
*[[Imrahil]]
*[[Éomer]]|
commanders2=*The [[Mouth of Sauron]]|
forces1=6,000 from Gondor and Rohan and [[Eagles]]|
forces2=Unknown total strength, but vast numerical superiority to the forces of Gondor and Rohan; possibly 60-100,000. Forces consisting of [[Orcs]], [[Trolls]], the [[Nazgûl]], [[Fell Beasts]], and [[Easterlings]] (men of Rhûn, [[Variags]] of [[Khand]], etc.)|
casual1=
Unknown, but probably moderate|
casual2=
Destruction of nearly all orcs, trolls; the remaining Nazgûl destroyed; heavy Easterling and Haradrim losses (the rest were pardoned)
}}

The '''Battle of the Morannon''', also known as the '''Battle of the Black Gate''', was the last major battle against [[Sauron]] in the [[War of the Ring]], fought at the Black Gate of [[Mordor]]. The army of the West, 6,000 strong by now, led by [[Aragorn II|Aragorn]] marched on the gate as a diversionary feint to distract [[Sauron]]'s attention from [[Frodo Baggins|Frodo]] and [[Samwise Gamgee|Sam]], who were carrying the [[One Ring]] through Mordor. It was hoped that Sauron would think Aragorn had the Ring and was now trying to use it to overthrow Mordor.

== Prior to the Battle ==
Initially, the Army of the West had been composed of 7,000 men, but many were stationed at various places along the way. A strong guard of archers were stationed at the [[Crossroads]], in case enemy troops came from the [[Morgul Pass]] or from the South. In addition, Aragorn dismissed the faint of heart, who would not go to the [[Dagorlad]], ordering them to liberate [[Cair Andros]] on the river Anduin. This resulted in the departure of over 1000 men, leaving less than 6000 to continue on towards the [[Black Gate]].

Before the battle began, Sauron sent one of his servants, the [[Black Númenóreans|Black Númenórean]] called the [[Mouth of Sauron]], to speak with the Captains of the West. He tried to trick [[Gandalf]] into believing Sauron held Frodo captive, displaying as evidence items that had belonged to Frodo and Sam (Sam's sword, an [[Elves|Elven]] cloak, and Frodo's ''[[Mithril]]'' shirt.) The Mouth threatened that Frodo would be tortured if the West did not agree to Sauron's terms of surrender. (It is clear that while Sauron knew there was a Hobbit in Mordor, he did not know why. He also probably did not know there were two.) Gandalf, however, refused to be swayed, took the items from the Mouth of Sauron, and sent him away. Amazed and angered, the Mouth of Sauron rode back to the Black Gate, let it be opened, and the forces of Sauron marched out. At the same time, more of Sauron's forces that had been hidden in the hills around the Black Gate came forth, thus surrounding the Men of the West. Sauron's army outnumbered that of the West by at least ten to one.

== The Battle ==

Against Aragorn's army was arrayed Sauron's hordes of [[Orcs]], [[Trolls]], and barbarian [[Men|Mannish]] allies such as the [[Easterlings]] and [[Haradrim]]. An exact count is not given of the number of Sauron's forces, and though they numbered in the tens of thousands at least, the battle is said to not have been as quite large as the preceding [[Battle of the Pelennor Fields]].

During the course of the battle, the eight [[Nazgûl]] still alive attacked the army of the West. The [[Eagles]] of the [[Misty Mountains]], led by [[Gwaihir]] the Windlord, arrived and attacked the Ringwraiths. At that moment, when all hope seemed lost, Frodo put on the One Ring and Sauron realized that Frodo was inside [[Mount Doom]]. The Nazgûl immediately left the battle to intercept Frodo. However, [[Gollum]] bit the Ring off Frodo's finger and then accidentally fell into the [[Crack of Doom]], and Sauron's power was overthrown.

The Nazgûl had been flying over Mount Doom just as it underwent a gigantic volcanic eruption, and they were all destroyed in the firestorm. [[Barad-dûr]], the Black Gate and, the Towers of Teeth collapsed to ruin. The Orcs and other creatures of Sauron were completely directionless with the Dark Lord's demise and were easily decimated by the army of the West. The Easterlings fought on stalwartly, though eventually many threw down their weapons and surrendered.

== Aftermath ==

Fighting against Sauron's remaining forces would continue in the northern theater of the War of the Ring for several weeks, notably at [[Dol Guldur]] in [[Mirkwood]] and at [[Erebor]], but the power of the Dark Lord of Mordor was no more.

Months later, the [[Battle of Bywater]] in the [[Shire]] against ruffians led by [[Saruman]], and the subsequent killing of Saruman and [[Wormtongue]] on the very doorstep of [[Bag End]], ended the [[War of the Ring]].

{{wotr}}

[[Category:Conflicts of the Third Age]]
[[de:Schlacht am Morannon]]
[[fr:encyclo:evenements:3a:guerres:bataille_de_la_morannon]]

Zigil

2008-10-08T02:30:05Z

Aragorn47:

'''Zigil''' is a word in [[Khuzdul]], occuring as an element in [[Zirakzigil]], the [[Dwarves]]' name for the mountain called [[Celebdil]] or [[Silvertine]] by other races, and in [[Zigil-nâd]], a rejected [[Dwarvish]] name for [[Kibil-nâla]], the river known to the [[Elves]] as [[Celebrant]] and to [[Men]] as the [[Silverlode]].

'''Zigil''' therefore evidently means ''silver''.

[[Category:Khuzdul words]]

Rant

2008-10-08T02:28:52Z

Aragorn47: New page: ''Rant'' is the Sindarin word for "course" or "path".

''Rant'' is the Sindarin word for "course" or "path".

Boromir

2008-10-07T20:47:49Z

Aragorn47: /* The Fellowship of the Ring */

{{Disambig-more|Boromir|[[Boromir (disambiguation)]]}}
{{gondorian
| image=[[Image:John Howe Boromir.jpg|250px]]
| name=Boromir
| othernames=
| position=Captain of the [[White Tower]], Captain-general
| birth=[[Third Age 2978]]
| rule=
| death=February 26th, [[Third Age 3019]], aged 41 years
| gender=Male
| parentage=[[Denethor II]] and [[Finduilas of Dol Amroth]]
| spouse=
| children=
| ref=''[[The Lord of the Rings]]''; [[Appendix A]]
}}{{Pronounce|Boromir.mp3|Ardamir}}
<center>{{quote|There was a tall man with a fair and noble face, dark-haired and grey-eyed, proud and stern of glance. His garments were rich, and his cloak was lined with fur and he had a collar of silver in which a single white stone was set; his locks were shorn about his shoulders. On a baldric he wore a great horn tipped with silver that now was laid upon his knees.|''[[The Fellowship of the Ring]]'', [[The Council of Elrond]]}}</center>
'''Boromir''' was the eldest son of [[Denethor II]], older brother of [[Faramir son of Denethor II|Faramir]]. He was one of the Nine Walkers who made up the [[Fellowship of the Ring]] in ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]''.

== History ==
Boromir was born in 2978, was five years before his brother Faramir. Between the brothers there was great love, and had been since childhood, when Boromir was the helper and protector of Faramir. He was only ten years old when their mother Finduilas died, and after her death their father became grim and remote. Boromir was beloved by his father and was like him in face and pride, but in little else. Boromir's temperament was similar to King [[Eärnur]] of old, he took no wife and was more interested in arms and warfare. He cared little for lore, save the tales of old battles.

Boromir was man of great strength and valour. He had a fair and noble face, dark haired and grey-eyed, proud and stern of glance. When [[Sauron]] attacked [[Osgiliath]], Boromir was the commander of the company which drove back the [[Orcs]] and held the last bridge until it was destroyed behind them, to prevent the Orcs from crossing the river.

===Journey to Rivendell===
{{quote|In that dream I thought the eastern sky grew dark and there was a growing thunder, but in the West a pale light lingered, and out of it I heard a voice, remote but clear, crying:
<poem>
Seek for the Sword that was broken:
In Imladris it dwells;
There shall be counsels taken
Stronger than Morgul-spells.
There shall be shown a token
That Doom is near at hand,
For Isildur's Bane shall waken,
And the Halfling forth shall stand.</poem>|Boromir; [[The Fellowship of the Ring]], [[The Council of Elrond]]}}
On the evening before Sauron's attack on Osgiliath, Faramir had a dream. A similar dream came to Boromir. Both Boromir and Faramir could understand little of these words, therefore they spoke to their father who was wise in the lore of [[Gondor]]. But he could only say that [[Imladris]] was a dale in the far north where [[Elrond]] lived. Faramir was eager to seek Imladris however since the way was full of doubt and danger Boromir took the journey upon himself.

Boromir's journey took 110 days. He passed through the [[Gap of Rohan]] and travelled north through the lands west of the Misty Mountains. He faced many hardships, for that land had fallen into decay and the [[North-South Road]] no longer existed except for crumbling remains of the old causeways. He lost his horse near [[Tharbad]] while crossing the [[Greyflood]] using a dangerous ford formed by a ruined bridge. The rest of the way he travelled on foot.

When he reached [[Rivendell]], he attended the [[Council of Elrond]]. Boromir spoke to the Council of Gondor's vigilance and the struggle to keep the forces of [[Mordor]] from crossing the [[Anduin]]. However, he said, he had not come seeking military aid but counsel. When he told of the dream that had led him to Rivendell the answers to its riddles were revealed: [[Aragorn II|Aragorn]] brought out the [[Shards of Narsil]] and [[Frodo Baggins]] the [[Halflings|Halfling]] held up the [[One Ring]] that was [[Isildur]]'s Bane. There he attempted to persuade the Council to let him take the One Ring to Gondor so that it could be used in the defence of the realm. But Elrond explained that the Ring could not be used, for even though it is used for the purpose of doing good it would twist all deeds and intentions to evil in the end.

===The Fellowship of the Ring===
It was Boromir's intention to return to [[Minas Tirith]], therefore he joined the [[Fellowship of the Ring]]. When the Company of the Ring reached [[Caradhras]], Boromir advised that each of them should carry a faggot of wood. This saved the Company's life when they got caught in a blizzard on Caradhras. The next morning Boromir and Aragorn plowed their way through the snow and carried the four [[Hobbits]] back down the mountain to safety.

As the [[Redhorn Pass]] was now blocked, Boromir proposed that they should travel southward on the west side of the [[Misty Mountains]] and then either pass through the Gap of Rohan or cross the [[Isen]] and go through the southern lands of [[Langstrand]] and [[Lebennin]]. But [[Gandalf]] opposed this saying that, because of [[Saruman]]'s treachery those lands were no longer safe. He proposed that the Company should instead go through the mines of [[Moria]], but Boromir said that he would not go that way, not unless the whole company voted against him.

Boromir finally agreed, but upon reaching the [[Doors of Durin]] he was angry that Gandalf did not know the password and he threw a stone in the Dark Water. Which alerted the [[Watcher in the Water]]. When Gandalf stepped into the mines the Watcher attacked Frodo. But the Company were able to escape into the mines.

Boromir fought valiantly when the Company were attacked in the [[Chamber of Mazarbul]] he blocked the western door and hewed at the arm of a [[Cave-trolls|Cave-troll]]. After escaping from the Chamber, the company reached the [[Bridge of Khazad-dûm]] they were again attacked by Orcs, and with them was a [[Balrog]]. Boromir sounded his [[Horn of Gondor|Great Horn]] which caused their enemies to pause, but then continued to advance. As Gandalf fought with the Balrog, Boromir and Aragorn ran towards him, but just they reached the bridge Gandalf shattered the bridge and the Balrog fell into the abyss but it dragged Gandalf into the abyss.

Then Aragorn led the Company towards [[Lothlórien]], but Boromir advised against it, saying that the woods had a perilous reputation in Gondor and that few escaped unscathed. But Aragorn told him that only those who were evil or brought evil with them had reason to fear Lothlórien. After [[Galadriel]] had spoken to each member of the Company in their thoughts, Boromir was keen to know about the conversation between the Lady and the Ring-bearer, but what he thought that the Lady had offered him he did not tell. when the Company were set to depart from Lothlórien, Galadriel gave gave each of them a gift. Boromir received a [[Boromir's belt|golden Belt]].

As the Company set out down the Anduin. Boromir shared a boat with [[Meriadoc Brandybuck|Merry]] and [[Peregrin Took|Pippin]]. As they travelled down the river, Boromir became increasingly consumed with thoughts of the Ring. He muttered to himself and bit his nails and sometimes paddled closer to Frodo's boat. His behavior made Merry and Pippin uneasy, and Pippin noticed a strange glint in Boromir's eye as he looked at Frodo. As the Company approached the rapids of [[Sarn Gebir]] it was Boromir who alerted them and they were able to turn back. Boromir then advised the company to leave the river and strike a westward and southward road to Gondor. But Frodo did not intend to go to Gondor, hence the Company continued on their way down the river.

When the Company reached [[Nen Hithoel]], it was time for the Company to decide their next course. Therefore when Frodo wandered off into the forest to think about his decision Boromir followed him. He tried to persuade Frodo to bring the ring to Minas Tirith. As Boromir spoke, the lure of the Ring grew stronger in him. He envisioned himself as a mighty king who would overthrow Sauron and lead Gondor to victory and glory. When Frodo refused to accompany him to Minas Tirith, Boromir became enraged and tried to take the Ring from Frodo by force. Frodo put the Ring on and vanished, and Boromir was overwhelmed with the realization of what he had done. He wept and called for Frodo to return, but it was too late.

[[Image:Ted Nasmith - Boromir's Last Stand.jpg|thumb|left|''Boromir's Last Stand'' by [[Ted Nasmith]].]]
When Boromir returned to the Company he would only say that he had argued with Frodo and that the Hobbit had disappeared. Merry and Pippin ran off looking for their friend, and Aragorn told Boromir to follow them and guard them. Boromir did as he was asked. When he found the Hobbits they were surrounded by dozens of Orcs. Boromir slew many of them and the rest fled. He began to lead the Hobbits back to the campsite, but they were attacked again by at least 100 Orcs. Boromir sounded the Great Horn and fought valiantly to prevent the Orcs from seizing Merry and Pippin. He was pierced by many arrows and fell at last, and the Hobbits were taken prisoner.

Boromir was still alive when Aragorn found him. At least twenty Orcs lay slain around him. Boromir still held his sword, though the blade had been broken off at the hilt, and the Great Horn had been cloven in two. Before he died, Boromir told Aragorn that he had tried to take the Ring from Frodo. Then Aragorn, Gimli, and Legolas laid Boromir's body in one of the boats. His shattered horn and sword they laid across his lap and the weapons of his enemies were laid at his feet. The funeral boat was taken out to the middle of the Anduin and the river carried Boromir's body over the [[Falls of Rauros]].

Three nights later, Faramir was sitting by the banks of the Anduin in Osgiliath when he saw a boat float past him on the river. Faramir had heard the Great Horn sounding in the distance when Boromir was in need, and now he saw his brother's body laid out in the boat, but the Great Horn was missing. The two halves of the horn were later washed ashore and they were returned to Denethor. It was said that the boat bearing Boromir's body was borne down the Anduin and out into the Sea.

== Portrayal in adaptations ==
'''1978: ''[[Ralph Bakshi's The Lord of the Rings]]'':'''
:[[Michael Graham Cox]] provided a viking version of Boromir.

'''1981: ''[[The Lord of the Rings (1981 radio series)|BBC Radio's The Lord of the Rings]]'':'''
:Cox reprised his role of Boromir. In the mean time, he learned to pronounce Elvish words correctly: he came from "My Nasty Rith" in Bakshi's film, but he uses the correct pronounciation here.

'''2001: ''[[Peter Jackson's The Fellowship of the Ring]]'':'''
:Boromir is played by [[Sean Bean]]. Differing from the book, Boromir dies (killed by the [[Uruk-hai]] leader [[Lurtz]]) at the end of the film instead of the beginning of ''The Two Towers''.

'''2002: ''[[Vivendi's The Fellowship of the Ring (game)|Vivendi's The Fellowship of the Ring]]'':'''
:[[James Horan]] provides the voice of Boromir, clad in blue and carrying a great shield. Horan would also voice Boromir in ''[[EA's The Battle for Middle-earth Anthology]]''.

'''2002: ''[[Peter Jackson's The Two Towers]]'':'''
:The [[The Two Towers Extended Edition|extended edition]] includes a scene not taken from the book in which Boromir and his brother Faramir see each other for the last time, and we see their father Denethor's attitude toward his two sons. At the Council of Elrond in Rivendell, Boromir says that his prophetic dream came to first his brother, Faramir, and then to him, on the night before an attack on [[Osgiliath]]. This reference to Osgiliath may be the inspiration for the flashback scene in The Two Towers.

'''2003: ''[[Peter Jackson's The Return of the King]]'':'''
:Boromir is seen in a brief flashback being pierced by arrows, as Pippin explains to Denethor the circumstances of his death. In the [[The Return of the King Extended Edition|extended edition]], he is seen again in a vision of Denethor, walking proudly towards his father until he fades away.

==Genealogy==
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==See Also==
*[[:Category:Images of Boromir|Images of Boromir]]

{{fellowship}}

[[Category:Pronounced articles]]
[[Category:Dúnedain]]
[[Category:Gondorians]]
[[Category:Characters in The Lord of the Rings]]

[[de:Boromir (Sohn von Denethor II.)]]
[[fr:encyclo:personnages:hommes:3a:dunedain:gondoriens:boromir]]
[[fi:Boromir]]

Great Horn

2008-10-07T20:42:22Z

Aragorn47: New page: {{stub}} The Horn of Gondor was the horn worn by Boromir, son of Denethor II.

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The Horn of Gondor was the horn worn by Boromir, son of Denethor II.

Boromir

2008-10-07T20:41:09Z

Aragorn47: /* The Fellowship of the Ring */

{{Disambig-more|Boromir|[[Boromir (disambiguation)]]}}
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| position=Captain of the [[White Tower]], Captain-general
| birth=[[Third Age 2978]]
| rule=
| death=February 26th, [[Third Age 3019]], aged 41 years
| gender=Male
| parentage=[[Denethor II]] and [[Finduilas of Dol Amroth]]
| spouse=
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| ref=''[[The Lord of the Rings]]''; [[Appendix A]]
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<center>{{quote|There was a tall man with a fair and noble face, dark-haired and grey-eyed, proud and stern of glance. His garments were rich, and his cloak was lined with fur and he had a collar of silver in which a single white stone was set; his locks were shorn about his shoulders. On a baldric he wore a great horn tipped with silver that now was laid upon his knees.|''[[The Fellowship of the Ring]]'', [[The Council of Elrond]]}}</center>
'''Boromir''' was the eldest son of [[Denethor II]], older brother of [[Faramir son of Denethor II|Faramir]]. He was one of the Nine Walkers who made up the [[Fellowship of the Ring]] in ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]''.

== History ==
Boromir was born in 2978, was five years before his brother Faramir. Between the brothers there was great love, and had been since childhood, when Boromir was the helper and protector of Faramir. He was only ten years old when their mother Finduilas died, and after her death their father became grim and remote. Boromir was beloved by his father and was like him in face and pride, but in little else. Boromir's temperament was similar to King [[Eärnur]] of old, he took no wife and was more interested in arms and warfare. He cared little for lore, save the tales of old battles.

Boromir was man of great strength and valour. He had a fair and noble face, dark haired and grey-eyed, proud and stern of glance. When [[Sauron]] attacked [[Osgiliath]], Boromir was the commander of the company which drove back the [[Orcs]] and held the last bridge until it was destroyed behind them, to prevent the Orcs from crossing the river.

===Journey to Rivendell===
{{quote|In that dream I thought the eastern sky grew dark and there was a growing thunder, but in the West a pale light lingered, and out of it I heard a voice, remote but clear, crying:
<poem>
Seek for the Sword that was broken:
In Imladris it dwells;
There shall be counsels taken
Stronger than Morgul-spells.
There shall be shown a token
That Doom is near at hand,
For Isildur's Bane shall waken,
And the Halfling forth shall stand.</poem>|Boromir; [[The Fellowship of the Ring]], [[The Council of Elrond]]}}
On the evening before Sauron's attack on Osgiliath, Faramir had a dream. A similar dream came to Boromir. Both Boromir and Faramir could understand little of these words, therefore they spoke to their father who was wise in the lore of [[Gondor]]. But he could only say that [[Imladris]] was a dale in the far north where [[Elrond]] lived. Faramir was eager to seek Imladris however since the way was full of doubt and danger Boromir took the journey upon himself.

Boromir's journey took 110 days. He passed through the [[Gap of Rohan]] and travelled north through the lands west of the Misty Mountains. He faced many hardships, for that land had fallen into decay and the [[North-South Road]] no longer existed except for crumbling remains of the old causeways. He lost his horse near [[Tharbad]] while crossing the [[Greyflood]] using a dangerous ford formed by a ruined bridge. The rest of the way he travelled on foot.

When he reached [[Rivendell]], he attended the [[Council of Elrond]]. Boromir spoke to the Council of Gondor's vigilance and the struggle to keep the forces of [[Mordor]] from crossing the [[Anduin]]. However, he said, he had not come seeking military aid but counsel. When he told of the dream that had led him to Rivendell the answers to its riddles were revealed: [[Aragorn II|Aragorn]] brought out the [[Shards of Narsil]] and [[Frodo Baggins]] the [[Halflings|Halfling]] held up the [[One Ring]] that was [[Isildur]]'s Bane. There he attempted to persuade the Council to let him take the One Ring to Gondor so that it could be used in the defence of the realm. But Elrond explained that the Ring could not be used, for even though it is used for the purpose of doing good it would twist all deeds and intentions to evil in the end.

===The Fellowship of the Ring===
It was Boromir's intention to return to [[Minas Tirith]], therefore he joined the [[Fellowship of the Ring]]. When the Company of the Ring reached [[Caradhras]], Boromir advised that each of them should carry a faggot of wood. This saved the Company's life when they got caught in a blizzard on Caradhras. The next morning Boromir and Aragorn plowed their way through the snow and carried the four [[Hobbits]] back down the mountain to safety.

As the [[Redhorn Pass]] was now blocked, Boromir proposed that they should travel southward on the west side of the [[Misty Mountains]] and then either pass through the Gap of Rohan or cross the [[Isen]] and go through the southern lands of [[Langstrand]] and [[Lebennin]]. But [[Gandalf]] opposed this saying that, because of [[Saruman]]'s treachery those lands were no longer safe. He proposed that the Company should instead go through the mines of [[Moria]], but Boromir said that he would not go that way, not unless the whole company voted against him.

Boromir finally agreed, but upon reaching the [[Doors of Durin]] he was angry that Gandalf did not know the password and he threw a stone in the Dark Water. Which alerted the [[Watcher in the Water]]. When Gandalf stepped into the mines the Watcher attacked Frodo. But the Company were able to escape into the mines.
Boromir fought valiantly when the Company were attacked in the [[Chamber of Mazarbul]] he blocked the western door and hewed at the arm of a [[Cave-trolls|Cave-troll]]. After escaping from the Chamber, the company reached the [[Bridge of Khazad-dûm]] they were again attacked by Orcs, and with them was a [[Balrog]]. Boromir sounded his [[Horn of Gondor|Great Horn]] which caused their enemies to pause, but then continued to advance. As Gandalf fought with the Balrog, Boromir and Aragorn ran towards him, but just they reached the bridge Gandalf shattered the bridge and the Balrog fell into the abyss but it dragged Gandalf into the abyss.

Then Aragorn led the Company towards [[Lothlórien]], but Boromir advised against it, saying that the woods had a perilous reputation in Gondor and that few escaped unscathed. But Aragorn told him that only those who were evil or brought evil with them had reason to fear Lothlórien. After [[Galadriel]] had spoken to each member of the Company in their thoughts, Boromir was keen to know about the conversation between the Lady and the Ring-bearer, but what he thought that the Lady had offered him he did not tell. when the Company were set to depart from Lothlórien, Galadriel gave gave each of them a gift. Boromir received a [[Boromir's belt|golden Belt]].

As the Company set out down the Anduin. Boromir shared a boat with [[Meriadoc Brandybuck|Merry]] and [[Peregrin Took|Pippin]]. As they travelled down the river, Boromir became increasingly consumed with thoughts of the Ring. He muttered to himself and bit his nails and sometimes paddled closer to Frodo's boat. His behavior made Merry and Pippin uneasy, and Pippin noticed a strange glint in Boromir's eye as he looked at Frodo. As the Company approached the rapids of [[Sarn Gebir]] it was Boromir who alerted them and they were able to turn back. Boromir then advised the company to leave the river and strike a westward and southward road to Gondor. But Frodo did not intent to go to Gondor, hence the Company continued on their way down the river.

When the Company reached [[Nen Hithoel]], it was time for the Company to decide their next course. Therefore when Frodo wandered off into the forest to think about his decision Boromir followed him. He tried to persuade Frodo to bring the ring to Minas Tirith. As Boromir spoke, the lure of the Ring grew stronger in him. He envisioned himself as a mighty king who would overthrow Sauron and lead Gondor to victory and glory. When Frodo refused to accompany him to Minas Tirith, Boromir became enraged and tried to take the Ring from Frodo by force. Frodo put the Ring on and vanished, and Boromir was overwhelmed with the realization of what he had done. He wept and called for Frodo to return, but it was too late.

[[Image:Ted Nasmith - Boromir's Last Stand.jpg|thumb|left|''Boromir's Last Stand'' by [[Ted Nasmith]].]]
When Boromir returned to the Company he would only say that he had argued with Frodo and that the Hobbit had disappeared. Merry and Pippin ran off looking for their friend, and Aragorn told Boromir to follow them and guard them. Boromir did as he was asked. When he found the Hobbits they were surrounded by dozens of Orcs. Boromir slew many of them and the rest fled. He began to lead the Hobbits back to the campsite, but they were attacked again by at least 100 Orcs. Boromir sounded the Great Horn and fought valiantly to prevent the Orcs from seizing Merry and Pippin. He was pierced by many arrows and fell at last, and the Hobbits were taken prisoner.

Boromir was still alive when Aragorn found him. At least twenty Orcs lay slain around him. Boromir still held his sword, though the blade had been broken off at the hilt, and the Great Horn had been cloven in two. Before he died, Boromir told Aragorn that he had tried to take the Ring from Frodo. Then Aragorn, Gimli Legolas laid Boromir's body in one of the boats. His shattered horn and sword they laid across his lap and the weapons of his enemies were laid at his feet. The funeral boat was taken out to the middle of the Anduin and the river carried Boromir's body over the [[Falls of Rauros]].

Three nights later, Faramir was sitting by the banks of the Anduin in Osgiliath when he saw a boat float past him on the river. Faramir had heard the Great Horn sounding in the distance when Boromir was in need, and now he saw his brother's body laid out in the boat, but the Great Horn was missing. The two halves of the horn were later washed ashore and they were returned to Denethor. It was said that the boat bearing Boromir's body was borne down the Anduin and out into the Sea.

== Portrayal in adaptations ==
'''1978: ''[[Ralph Bakshi's The Lord of the Rings]]'':'''
:[[Michael Graham Cox]] provided a viking version of Boromir.

'''1981: ''[[The Lord of the Rings (1981 radio series)|BBC Radio's The Lord of the Rings]]'':'''
:Cox reprised his role of Boromir. In the mean time, he learned to pronounce Elvish words correctly: he came from "My Nasty Rith" in Bakshi's film, but he uses the correct pronounciation here.

'''2001: ''[[Peter Jackson's The Fellowship of the Ring]]'':'''
:Boromir is played by [[Sean Bean]]. Differing from the book, Boromir dies (killed by the [[Uruk-hai]] leader [[Lurtz]]) at the end of the film instead of the beginning of ''The Two Towers''.

'''2002: ''[[Vivendi's The Fellowship of the Ring (game)|Vivendi's The Fellowship of the Ring]]'':'''
:[[James Horan]] provides the voice of Boromir, clad in blue and carrying a great shield. Horan would also voice Boromir in ''[[EA's The Battle for Middle-earth Anthology]]''.

'''2002: ''[[Peter Jackson's The Two Towers]]'':'''
:The [[The Two Towers Extended Edition|extended edition]] includes a scene not taken from the book in which Boromir and his brother Faramir see each other for the last time, and we see their father Denethor's attitude toward his two sons. At the Council of Elrond in Rivendell, Boromir says that his prophetic dream came to first his brother, Faramir, and then to him, on the night before an attack on [[Osgiliath]]. This reference to Osgiliath may be the inspiration for the flashback scene in The Two Towers.

'''2003: ''[[Peter Jackson's The Return of the King]]'':'''
:Boromir is seen in a brief flashback being pierced by arrows, as Pippin explains to Denethor the circumstances of his death. In the [[The Return of the King Extended Edition|extended edition]], he is seen again in a vision of Denethor, walking proudly towards his father until he fades away.

==Genealogy==
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==See Also==
*[[:Category:Images of Boromir|Images of Boromir]]

{{fellowship}}

[[Category:Pronounced articles]]
[[Category:Dúnedain]]
[[Category:Gondorians]]
[[Category:Characters in The Lord of the Rings]]

[[de:Boromir (Sohn von Denethor II.)]]
[[fr:encyclo:personnages:hommes:3a:dunedain:gondoriens:boromir]]
[[fi:Boromir]]

Shadowfax

2008-10-06T21:21:43Z

Aragorn47:

[[Image:Ted Nasmith - Gandalf and Shadowfax.jpg|thumb|275px|''Gandalf and Shadowfax'' by [[Ted Nasmith]].]]
'''Shadowfax''' was a mighty horse of [[Rohan]], the chief of the [[Mearas]], tamed by [[Gandalf]] and reluctantly granted as a gift to him by King [[Théoden]] of [[Rohan]]. Shadowfax is thought to have passed [[West]] over the [[Belegaer|Sea]] with his master.

Shadowfax had extraordinary speed and stamina. He was able to run from [[Edoras]] to [[Minas Tirith]] almost without stopping, and his ground speed rivalled the flying speed of the [[fell beasts]] of the [[Nazgûl]].
{{quote|[Gandalf on Shadowfax] moved with the speed of an arrow and grew as it came, converging swiftly with the flight of the four men towards the Gate [of Gondor].|[[The Siege of Gondor]], p. 90}}

Shadowfax also possessed extraordinary courage. He was the only free horse in the world capable of standing before the [[Lord of the Nazgûl]] instead of fleeing.
{{quote|. . .all fled before his face. All save one. There waiting, silent and still in the space before the Gate, sat Gandalf upon Shadowfax: Shadowfax who alone among the free horses of the earth endured the terror, unmoving, steadfast as a graven image in Rath Dínen.|[[The Siege of Gondor]]}}

The phrasing "free horses" excludes horses enslaved by [[Sauron]], like the horses ridden by the Nazgûl in the guise of [[Black Riders]].

==See also==
* [[:Category:Images of Shadowfax|Images of Shadowfax]]

[[Category:Horses]]

Shadowfax

2008-10-06T21:21:07Z

Aragorn47:

[[Image:Ted Nasmith - Gandalf and Shadowfax.jpg|thumb|275px|''Gandalf and Shadowfax'' by [[Ted Nasmith]].]]
'''Shadowfax''' was a mighty horse of [[Rohan]], the chief of the [[Mearas]], tamed by [[Gandalf]] and reluctantly granted as a gift to him by King [[Théoden]] of [[Rohan]]. Shadowfax is thought to have passed [[West]] over the [[Belegaer|Sea]] with his master.

Shadowfax had extraordinary speed and stamina. He was able to run from [[Edoras]] to [[Minas Tirith]] almost without stopping, and his ground speed rivalled the flying speed of the [[fell beasts]] of the [[Nazgûl]].
{{quote|[Gandalf on Shadowfax] moved with the speed of an arrow and grew as it came, converging swiftly with the flight of the four men towards the Gate [of Gondor].|[[The Siege of Gondor]]

Shadowfax also possessed extraordinary courage. He was the only free horse in the world capable of standing before the [[Lord of the Nazgûl]] instead of fleeing.
{{quote|. . .all fled before his face. All save one. There waiting, silent and still in the space before the Gate, sat Gandalf upon Shadowfax: Shadowfax who alone among the free horses of the earth endured the terror, unmoving, steadfast as a graven image in Rath Dínen.|[[The Siege of Gondor]]}}

The phrasing "free horses" excludes horses enslaved by [[Sauron]], like the horses ridden by the Nazgûl in the guise of [[Black Riders]].

==See also==
* [[:Category:Images of Shadowfax|Images of Shadowfax]]

[[Category:Horses]]

Shadowfax

2008-10-06T21:20:12Z

Aragorn47:

[[Image:Ted Nasmith - Gandalf and Shadowfax.jpg|thumb|275px|''Gandalf and Shadowfax'' by [[Ted Nasmith]].]]
'''Shadowfax''' was a mighty horse of [[Rohan]], the chief of the [[Mearas]], tamed by [[Gandalf]] and reluctantly granted as a gift to him by King [[Théoden]] of [[Rohan]]. Shadowfax is thought to have passed [[West]] over the [[Belegaer|Sea]] with his master.

Shadowfax had extraordinary speed and stamina. He was able to run from [[Edoras]] to [[Minas Tirith]] almost without stopping, and his ground speed rivalled the flying speed of the [[fell beasts]] of the [[Nazgûl]].

"[Gandalf on Shadowfax] moved with the speed of an arrow and grew as it came, converging swiftly with the flight of the four men towards the Gate [of Gondor]." -[[The Siege of Gondor]]

Shadowfax also possessed extraordinary courage. He was the only free horse in the world capable of standing before the [[Lord of the Nazgûl]] instead of fleeing.
{{quote|. . .all fled before his face. All save one. There waiting, silent and still in the space before the Gate, sat Gandalf upon Shadowfax: Shadowfax who alone among the free horses of the earth endured the terror, unmoving, steadfast as a graven image in Rath Dínen.|[[The Siege of Gondor]]}}

The phrasing "free horses" excludes horses enslaved by [[Sauron]], like the horses ridden by the Nazgûl in the guise of [[Black Riders]].

==See also==
* [[:Category:Images of Shadowfax|Images of Shadowfax]]

[[Category:Horses]]

Forums:Sites to help with elvish names or phrases?

2008-10-06T21:03:19Z

Aragorn47:

<div style="background: #eee; border: 1px solid #aaa; padding: 5px">'''[[Main Page|Tolkien Gateway]] > [[Forum:Council|Council]] > {{PAGENAME}}'''</div> [[Category:Council]]



Hey. I need sites on how to get names and phrases from the elvish language, so i can print them and use them in my novel. if i dont reply on here immediately, im on this website below ALOT! [http://www.thecircle.forumotion.com (site)] {{unsigned|Lukeamis}}

:Hi there, Luke. Though this sort of thing is not what the forum is for (yeah, we need better guidelines), I'd love to guide you to a site where I myself "work": [http://realelvish.net/ Meris Essi ar Quenteli]. I'm however not sure what the copyright situation is for publishing in printed (and for-profit) works. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 08:49, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

::Another good site is [http://www.uib.no/People/hnohf/ Ardalambion], created by Helge K. Fauskanger, a great Tolkien linguist. [[User:Ælfwine|Ælfwine228]] 17:23, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

:::If you're planning on using Tolkien's elvish in your own works, I think it is legal, but you can't use any specific phrases that Tolkien did (i.e. "Aurë entuluva"-"day shall come again"). Otherwise, you have as much right to use elvish as you do any other language.--[[User:Aragorn47|Aragorn47]] 21:03, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Forums:The Cottage of Lost Play

2008-10-04T12:12:12Z

Aragorn47:

<div style="background: #eee; border: 1px solid #aaa; padding: 5px">'''[[Main Page|Tolkien Gateway]] > [[Forum:Council|Council]] > {{PAGENAME}}'''</div> [[Category:Council]]


I am currently reading The Book of Lost Tales Part 1, Chapter 1, about the [[Cottage of Lost Play]], and I'm not exactly understanding everything Christopher Tolkien writes. The main thing I'm wondering is where exactly it is: I got the impression that it was in Valinor, but the page here says it is in Tol Eressëa.
:Tol Eressëa is in Valinor. It's an island just off the eastern coast of mainland Aman. That article needs some cleanup --[[User:Aule the Smith|Aule the Smith]] 10:17, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
::I knew Tol Eressëa was off the coast of Aman, but I didn't know it was considered part of Valinor. Thanks for that bit of information.--[[User:Aragorn47|Aragorn47]] 12:12, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Forums:The Cottage of Lost Play

2008-10-04T12:11:53Z

Aragorn47:

<div style="background: #eee; border: 1px solid #aaa; padding: 5px">'''[[Main Page|Tolkien Gateway]] > [[Forum:Council|Council]] > {{PAGENAME}}'''</div> [[Category:Council]]


I am currently reading The Book of Lost Tales Part 1, Chapter 1, about the [[Cottage of Lost Play]], and I'm not exactly understanding everything Christopher Tolkien writes. The main thing I'm wondering is where exactly it is: I got the impression that it was in Valinor, but the page here says it is in Tol Eressëa.
:Tol Eressëa is in Valinor. It's an island just off the eastern coast of mainland Aman. That article needs some cleanup --[[User:Aule the Smith|Aule the Smith]] 10:17, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
::I knew Tol Eressëa was off the coast of Aman, but I didn't know it was considered part of Valinor. Thanks for that bit of information.

Forums:User awards

2008-10-03T23:20:59Z

Aragorn47: /* User Awards Reborn */

<div style="background: #eee; border: 1px solid #aaa; padding: 5px">'''[[Main Page|Tolkien Gateway]] > [[Forum:Council|Council]] > {{PAGENAME}}'''</div> [[Category:Council]]



I have an idea. To encourage editors to edit, we could have three user templates - gold, silver, and bronze (or if you want more Tolkienish names [[Silima]], [[Mithril]], and [[Tilkal]]) - as templates for their user pages. For instance, a "bronze" template could be displayed on their userpage if they had 500 edits, silver if they had 1000 edits, and gold if they had over 2000 edits. Tell me what you think. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 10:02, 20 June 2006 (EDT)

:I love it! Some wikis have awards that can be given by anyone at random if they consider the user did something award worthy. This makes it difficult as people have different ideas for when someone accomplished something award-worthy. The edit requirement allows for at least some standard to be used. My only concern is that we might be focusing too much on edits when one person rewriting an entire article is much more helpful than simply a minor edit yet they count for the same. But I think in general the edit requirement is probably our best bet. We'll have to play around with some images, I definitely think the Tolkienish names you suggested are the way to go. We can also create other awards too like "Most active" or "Most knowledgeable" etc. because if we use the 500, 1,000, 2,000 standard people are going to have all the awards pretty fast. I kind of like 1000, 10000, 100000 :) Hm, we also need to make a good standard template that the award image is inside of, something that says "Award" at the bottom to identify the image and so if people have multiple awards all the images have the same theme. Great idea Narfil. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 13:54, 20 June 2006 (EDT)

Only a relatively small amount of editors will ever reach 1000, and only the more active editors will reach 500. 2000 is certainly something to be proud of (on the other hand, Ebakunin reached it pretty quickly!). I see what you mean about the size of edits, but I don't see a way around it though. I really don't think anyone, excepting yourself, will ever reach 100,000 (unless they work for years). 10,000 may warrant a sort of "super-award", because only a few will reach it. Ideas for other awards are as follows:

*Most active
*Most knowledgeable
*Best writing (needs a better title)
*Hardest working (also needs a better title)

But with those we could give "character" awards. For instance, "most knowledgeable" would be, say, the "[[Gandalf]]" award (other suggestions include [[Bilbo]] or [[Rúmil]]). "Most active" would be [[Aragorn]] (or [[Fëanor]]). "Best writing" might be [[Bilbo]]. "Hardest working" could be. . . I would have to think about that one. On the other hand, we might have titles. "Most knowledgeable" would be ''Loremaster award'', or etc. Just some ideas. Anyone can add to the list above. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 14:31, 20 June 2006 (EDT)

:I uploaded the following image for the "Silima" award:

[[Image:Silima.jpg|center|150px]]

:I am looking for a good [[Mithril]] image (see Talk:John Howe - Mithril), but I can probably create good [[Tilkal]] in Bryce. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 21:29, 24 June 2006 (EDT)

::Not to rush you or anything, Hyarion, but I was wondering if you had started the templates (I sure wish I knew how to do that. . .). Anyway, I'll try and get the Tilkal image done. Should the image be of a chain or just a close up of the texture? I favor the former. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 14:51, 8 July 2006 (EDT)

:::I've created the following image of [[Tilkal]] in Bryce (Notice that in varying lights it can be red or green; I prefer red, but I shall upload the green just so you can decide which one you prefer):

[[Image:Tilkal-red.jpg|center|150px]]

:::It's pretty big, but that was just in case we might need it for something else. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 16:17, 9 July 2006 (EDT)

:::And Tilkal in green:

[[Image:Tilkal-green.jpg|center|150px]]

:::Which do you prefer? --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 21:49, 9 July 2006 (EDT)

Well, I've had an idea for the voting for the "other" awards, such as ''most knowledgeable'', etc. We could have it so that any nominations for the award would be posted on this thread. Then the voting would go on for, say, a two-week period of time. Anyone can vote, but at the end of that period the voting is closed and the award is given or denyed. It must be at least a 2/3 majority. I favor for voting the "Barrow-downs" approach: '''++ Example''' or '''-- Example'''. Just an idea. This would also work for contests, though the period of time would be longer. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 09:51, 10 July 2006 (EDT)
:Well, on Wookiepedia, they have "Wookiepedian of the month", could we think of a similar title for us? -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 15:14, 18 July 2006 (EDT)

Alright, I've written out a set of rules as a Word document and copied them here. Tell me what you think.

Gatekeeper Awards

==Awards==
''Following shall be listed awards and their qualifications.''

'''Highest Award''': ''The highest award given to a Gatekeeper, only to the very best''
: '''Keeper of the Seventh Gate''' – Qualifications: 2+ year participation, outstanding quality of work, advanced knowledge of subject matter, prominent membership, recognized excellence. ''90% Votes''.

'''Primary Awards''': ''Primary awards are those most sought after; they reflect the overall status of the Gatekeeper''
: '''Silima Award''' – Qualifications: 2000+ edits, exceptional quality of work, and the creation of at least ten prominent articles*. ''90% Votes''.
: '''Tilkal Award''' – Qualifications: 1500+ edits, exceptional quality of work, and the creation of at least five prominent articles*. ''75% Votes''.
: '''Mithril Award''' – Qualifications: 1000+ edits, high quality of work. ''60% Votes''.

'''Quality Awards''': ''Quality is defined as an overall status of the writings, taking into play organization and content''
: '''Aulë Award''' – Qualifications: Exceptional quality of work, knowledge of subject matter. ''60% Votes''.
: '''Telchar Award''' – Qualifications: High quality of work. ''50% Votes''.

'''Loremaster Awards''': ''Loremaster/Knowledgeability Awards are for those who have a great knowledge of Tolkien’s works, and have put this knowledge to good use''
: '''Mandos Award''' – Qualifications: 750+ edits, high quality of work, proven knowledgeability to the point of encyclopedic knowledge. ''50% Votes''.
: '''Rúmil Award''' – Qualifications: 500+ edits, proven knowledgeability. ''50% Votes''.
: '''Lore Rating''' – These are self-given ratings (0–4) on general knowledge. No votes are required.

'''Activity Awards''': ''Activity Awards are given to those who are prominent, dedicated, and generally active''
: '''Tulkas Award''' – Qualifications: 1000+ edits, high status of activity, talk is exceptionally logical and worthwhile, considerable contributions. ''50% Votes''.
: '''Fëanor Award''' – Qualifications: 750+ edits, high status of activity, talk is worthwhile. ''50% Votes''.
: '''Edit Rating''' – These are self-given ratings, counting the number of edits (1) 500+, (2) 1000+, (3) 2000+, (4) 5000+, (5) 10,000+. Only one, preferably the highest one, may be displayed in the award box.

'''Gardener Awards''': ''Gardener Awards are for those who are patient and hard-working; who even if they aren’t very knowledgeable they make Tolkien Gateway a better place''
: '''Yavanna Award''' – Qualifications: Active deletion of vandalism and Spam, active correction of spelling, grammar, and incorrect statements, high dedication. ''75% Votes''.
: '''Samwise Award''' – Qualifications: Active general improvement of articles. ''50% Votes''.

'''Voting'''
: For all awards but the Highest and Primary Awards voting shall be held for a month in a picked voting thread, which it is recommended that all users add to their watchlist. It is impossible that voters remain anonymous if someone wishes to find out, but they do not need to sign their names. They need only place (in bold) a '''++Yes''' or '''--No''' under the columns designated. Highest and Primary Awards shall have a voting span of one month; all others two weeks. At the end of voting the nominator or a picked administrator shall count up the votes, and depending on the figures given above the award may or may not be awarded to the person in question.

'''Basic Rules:'''
: Any Gatekeeper can nominate another Gatekeeper, but if they nominate someone who does not qualify to the technical qualifications the voting shall be stopped by an Administrator or another.
: Anyone who votes more than once may be at an administrator’s discretion banned for a maximum period of up to two months. Anyone who sees such cheating should report it immediately by placing it on an administrator’s talk page, not in the main voting thread. Any votes for himself/herself shall be deleted and ignored thereafter. If the voting for himself/herself occurs frequently, they may be punished at a picked administrator’s discretion.

'''*''' The creation of an article is, at the voter's discretion, either a completely new prominent article, or the drastic rise from a small article into an organized, complete, and detailed one.
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Fantastic job Narfil! Here are some suggestions that popped into my head:
* ''Keeper of the Seventh Gate'' is good, I also like the sound of ''Guard of the Citadel''.
* Personally I like the idea of requiring a higher percentage of votes to gain the rank, for ''Keeper of the Seventh Gate'' for example I might say 90% or even 100%. Maybe we can allow administrators to void one vote per admin or something similar. In my opinion if someone has a valid reason for not wanting to give someone the title it only makes sense to fix the problem before granting the title.
* Maybe we can think of a better title for ''Primary Awards'', although I can't at the moment.
* We also might consider spreading out the edit gap for the ''Primary Awards, like 1,000 and 5,000 or something. Only 500 edits can be obtained fairly easily. Since the awards are so high on the ladder I almost want to raise the edits to 5,000 and 10,000 or something.
* ''and the creation of at least five prominent articles'' - I would consider changing this to something along the lines of ''and the drastically improving'' or something, as at some time all of the major articles will already be created.
* I think the idea for a month voting for an admin/primary/highest and two weeks for the rest is a good estimate for how long it would take.
* There are numerous ways we can vote, another way would be to have subheadings for "Support" and "Object", the user puts down their username under the heading of their choice and a reason if they want to, a reason would be required for Objections.
* I think we'll have to create a template for placing awards in userpages, like a trophy box. I also like the idea of having all the awards look a certain style and list the name of the award at the bottom of the image. Some 'template' for the image so it doesn't just look like a random picture.
You've got some great ideas though! I'll wait a few more days for everyone to respond and we'll move the information to a permanent page, I think voting should be held off until we get a few more regulars however. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 22:58, 25 July 2006 (EDT)

:You just pointed out exactly what I forgot! The creation of an article is, at the voter's discretion, either a completely new prominent article, or the drastic rise from a small article into an organized, complete, and detailed one. The person would be "creating" the article, even if it were already in existance. There are only so many Tolkien subjects, you know, so we might have several other options. . .
:I had been thinking about raising the edit number. It might be a better idea to raise it up to 2000, 5000, and 10,000; or, if we want it simpler (considering that more is required than just a number of edits), 1000, 2500, and 5000. By Seventh Gate, I meant, by the way, the [[Great Gate of Gondolin]]; the [[Gate of Steel]].
:I'll think about what you said about raising the percentage on the more important awards. It does sound good to me. Thanks for your feedback. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 08:42, 26 July 2006 (EDT)

:Now, if you were to be nominated for a reward, would you be told on your talk page, or what? -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 14:21, 26 July 2006 (EDT)

::Great question Aragorn. I think its a good idea to notify the person on the talk page, we can setup a "You have been nominated" template. However I think the person shouldn't be notified right away because say for example they were nominated for ''Keeper of the Seventh Gate'' when they only had 56 edits and had been registered for 2 weeks, there is no point, so maybe after 24 hours we can add the template, or "at the users discretion" for adding it. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 14:33, 26 July 2006 (EDT)

:::Good idea. I like it. Now, if only we could get some graphics for the awards... -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 14:53, 26 July 2006 (EDT)

::::I'll be happy to do so. What I can do for most of the awards is find images, crop them, and upload them. We already have images for the Silima and Tilkal awards (unless someone objects to them; and I would still like to know Red or Green), and we should be able to find others for the other awards. For instance, I don't know of any Tolkien artist that did [[Aulë]] except [[Ted Nasmith]]. If we cropped the image so that it got his head and maybe a bit of the hammer. . . etc. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 15:18, 26 July 2006 (EDT)

:::::Well, green is easier to see, but I think red looks best. shall we go with that? -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 11:12, 27 July 2006 (EDT)

::::::I agree, green is easier to see. Is there anyway we can add some more color to the outline of the ring to give it more of a solid state? I also still like the idea of including all of the awards in a "template" which has maybe some kind of border, a specific size, and the name of the award at the bottom of the image. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 11:39, 27 July 2006 (EDT)

:::::::Yeah, that IS a good idea. Now, about that ring, maybe we could blend the red and green, so that it looks, in short, like what the Silmarillion said. Varying in different light. -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 12:05, 27 July 2006 (EDT)

::::::::I see what you mean about it being both red and green. Unfortunately, it mostly depends on the lighting I gave it. I could make Tilkal shine pretty much any color because of the lighting (and a little tweaking of the colors). I might be able to do something in Photoshop, though. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 13:17, 27 July 2006 (EDT)

:::::::::Okay then. Let's give it a shot and see what we can do, shall we? -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 11:51, 28 July 2006 (EDT)

::::::::::I'm sorry, but it won't work. We'll have to go with one or the other, or come up with something else. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 16:08, 28 July 2006 (EDT)

:::::::::::Alright then, green is my vote. Oh, one last question. When do these awards go into effect, or play, or whatever you want to call it? -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 14:19, 3 August 2006 (EDT)

::::::::::::Personally I think we should wait until we have a few more active contributors, at least 10 or so before having any kind of voting. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 14:23, 3 August 2006 (EDT)

:::::::::::::We don't have that many yet? Wow, we need to get our name out there, don't we? So, when should the awards go into effect?-[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 12:23, 4 August 2006 (EDT)

::::::::::::::However long it takes to get some more contributors :) a month or two I would guess. But we also need to create images for all these awards. I know there's a lot of people out there who would contribute, it's just a matter of making them aware of the site, maybe we can talk to some Wookieepedians, a lot of SW fans are Tolkien fans too. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 13:14, 4 August 2006 (EDT)

I have the award picture for Keeper of the Seventh Gate (I'm building it myself). But I need a little help. I need the translation of "''Keeper of the Seventh Gate''" into [[Quenya]]. As soon as I have that I'll upload an image of the project for your critizism. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 16:47, 4 August 2006 (EDT)

Here's the [[Telchar]] award image. It doesn't look that great, but took a lot of work. Originally I had two pictures: that of a sword and that of a blacksmith hammering a small hook on an anvil. I wiped out the hook, then put the copy-and-paste sword-blade on top. Then, using a paintbrush, I tried to give it a "hot" look. If anyone has any better images, they would be welcome. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 21:06, 4 August 2006 (EDT)

[[Image:Telchar Award Image.jpg|center|150px]]

:Well, Narfil, I have a picture of a sword that looks a little more Tolkien-y. If you want to do some more work, I'll upload the pic and you can photoshop the image to fit. If not, then that's fine.-[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 16:45, 6 August 2006 (EDT)

::Well, the point is sort of to have a hot sword or like implement upon an anvil. The sword itself really doesn't have to be very interesting, so long as it isn't clearly un-Tolkienish. If you could find a picture better than mine, or a painting of Telchar, that might be better, though. . .--[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 20:29, 6 August 2006 (EDT)

:::[[Image:Telchar thumb-1-.jpg]] This is the best I could find, but it's a thumb, so I don't know if it will work. -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 22:43, 6 August 2006 (EDT)

At last, after much time and work I have completed and uploaded the first stage of the Keeper of the Seventh Gate award.

[[Image:Keeper of the Seventh Gate Award Image.jpg]]

It's based on what I always thought the Tolkien Gateway logo should look like. See the image page itself for my own comments. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 15:43, 12 August 2006 (EDT)

:Well, the number of active Gatekeepers is rising slower, perhaps, than expected. Still, in the past two months or so we have received a couple more dedicated editors (namely Tar-Telperien and Dwarf Lord; it also looks like Ted C and Legolas will become such). How much longer do you think we should wait before polishing the rules and putting them into effect? At the moment I believe we have about seven or eight active Gatekeepers. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 21:57, 13 November 2006 (EST)

== User Awards Reborn ==

Most of the above happened a couple of years ago, when this was a smaller site. It's much bigger now, with more editors. Let's give some serious consideration to implementing some of this structure to boost morale and encourage people.--{{User:Theoden1/sig}} 01:21, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

:I agree with this whole idea. I haven't been on here much, but I plan to come on more, so you can count me in as an active editor.:)--[[User:Aragorn47|Aragorn47]] 23:19, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

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I have an idea. To encourage editors to edit, we could have three user templates - gold, silver, and bronze (or if you want more Tolkienish names [[Silima]], [[Mithril]], and [[Tilkal]]) - as templates for their user pages. For instance, a "bronze" template could be displayed on their userpage if they had 500 edits, silver if they had 1000 edits, and gold if they had over 2000 edits. Tell me what you think. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 10:02, 20 June 2006 (EDT)

:I love it! Some wikis have awards that can be given by anyone at random if they consider the user did something award worthy. This makes it difficult as people have different ideas for when someone accomplished something award-worthy. The edit requirement allows for at least some standard to be used. My only concern is that we might be focusing too much on edits when one person rewriting an entire article is much more helpful than simply a minor edit yet they count for the same. But I think in general the edit requirement is probably our best bet. We'll have to play around with some images, I definitely think the Tolkienish names you suggested are the way to go. We can also create other awards too like "Most active" or "Most knowledgeable" etc. because if we use the 500, 1,000, 2,000 standard people are going to have all the awards pretty fast. I kind of like 1000, 10000, 100000 :) Hm, we also need to make a good standard template that the award image is inside of, something that says "Award" at the bottom to identify the image and so if people have multiple awards all the images have the same theme. Great idea Narfil. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 13:54, 20 June 2006 (EDT)

Only a relatively small amount of editors will ever reach 1000, and only the more active editors will reach 500. 2000 is certainly something to be proud of (on the other hand, Ebakunin reached it pretty quickly!). I see what you mean about the size of edits, but I don't see a way around it though. I really don't think anyone, excepting yourself, will ever reach 100,000 (unless they work for years). 10,000 may warrant a sort of "super-award", because only a few will reach it. Ideas for other awards are as follows:

*Most active
*Most knowledgeable
*Best writing (needs a better title)
*Hardest working (also needs a better title)

But with those we could give "character" awards. For instance, "most knowledgeable" would be, say, the "[[Gandalf]]" award (other suggestions include [[Bilbo]] or [[Rúmil]]). "Most active" would be [[Aragorn]] (or [[Fëanor]]). "Best writing" might be [[Bilbo]]. "Hardest working" could be. . . I would have to think about that one. On the other hand, we might have titles. "Most knowledgeable" would be ''Loremaster award'', or etc. Just some ideas. Anyone can add to the list above. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 14:31, 20 June 2006 (EDT)

:I uploaded the following image for the "Silima" award:

[[Image:Silima.jpg|center|150px]]

:I am looking for a good [[Mithril]] image (see Talk:John Howe - Mithril), but I can probably create good [[Tilkal]] in Bryce. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 21:29, 24 June 2006 (EDT)

::Not to rush you or anything, Hyarion, but I was wondering if you had started the templates (I sure wish I knew how to do that. . .). Anyway, I'll try and get the Tilkal image done. Should the image be of a chain or just a close up of the texture? I favor the former. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 14:51, 8 July 2006 (EDT)

:::I've created the following image of [[Tilkal]] in Bryce (Notice that in varying lights it can be red or green; I prefer red, but I shall upload the green just so you can decide which one you prefer):

[[Image:Tilkal-red.jpg|center|150px]]

:::It's pretty big, but that was just in case we might need it for something else. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 16:17, 9 July 2006 (EDT)

:::And Tilkal in green:

[[Image:Tilkal-green.jpg|center|150px]]

:::Which do you prefer? --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 21:49, 9 July 2006 (EDT)

Well, I've had an idea for the voting for the "other" awards, such as ''most knowledgeable'', etc. We could have it so that any nominations for the award would be posted on this thread. Then the voting would go on for, say, a two-week period of time. Anyone can vote, but at the end of that period the voting is closed and the award is given or denyed. It must be at least a 2/3 majority. I favor for voting the "Barrow-downs" approach: '''++ Example''' or '''-- Example'''. Just an idea. This would also work for contests, though the period of time would be longer. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 09:51, 10 July 2006 (EDT)
:Well, on Wookiepedia, they have "Wookiepedian of the month", could we think of a similar title for us? -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 15:14, 18 July 2006 (EDT)

Alright, I've written out a set of rules as a Word document and copied them here. Tell me what you think.

Gatekeeper Awards

==Awards==
''Following shall be listed awards and their qualifications.''

'''Highest Award''': ''The highest award given to a Gatekeeper, only to the very best''
: '''Keeper of the Seventh Gate''' – Qualifications: 2+ year participation, outstanding quality of work, advanced knowledge of subject matter, prominent membership, recognized excellence. ''90% Votes''.

'''Primary Awards''': ''Primary awards are those most sought after; they reflect the overall status of the Gatekeeper''
: '''Silima Award''' – Qualifications: 2000+ edits, exceptional quality of work, and the creation of at least ten prominent articles*. ''90% Votes''.
: '''Tilkal Award''' – Qualifications: 1500+ edits, exceptional quality of work, and the creation of at least five prominent articles*. ''75% Votes''.
: '''Mithril Award''' – Qualifications: 1000+ edits, high quality of work. ''60% Votes''.

'''Quality Awards''': ''Quality is defined as an overall status of the writings, taking into play organization and content''
: '''Aulë Award''' – Qualifications: Exceptional quality of work, knowledge of subject matter. ''60% Votes''.
: '''Telchar Award''' – Qualifications: High quality of work. ''50% Votes''.

'''Loremaster Awards''': ''Loremaster/Knowledgeability Awards are for those who have a great knowledge of Tolkien’s works, and have put this knowledge to good use''
: '''Mandos Award''' – Qualifications: 750+ edits, high quality of work, proven knowledgeability to the point of encyclopedic knowledge. ''50% Votes''.
: '''Rúmil Award''' – Qualifications: 500+ edits, proven knowledgeability. ''50% Votes''.
: '''Lore Rating''' – These are self-given ratings (0–4) on general knowledge. No votes are required.

'''Activity Awards''': ''Activity Awards are given to those who are prominent, dedicated, and generally active''
: '''Tulkas Award''' – Qualifications: 1000+ edits, high status of activity, talk is exceptionally logical and worthwhile, considerable contributions. ''50% Votes''.
: '''Fëanor Award''' – Qualifications: 750+ edits, high status of activity, talk is worthwhile. ''50% Votes''.
: '''Edit Rating''' – These are self-given ratings, counting the number of edits (1) 500+, (2) 1000+, (3) 2000+, (4) 5000+, (5) 10,000+. Only one, preferably the highest one, may be displayed in the award box.

'''Gardener Awards''': ''Gardener Awards are for those who are patient and hard-working; who even if they aren’t very knowledgeable they make Tolkien Gateway a better place''
: '''Yavanna Award''' – Qualifications: Active deletion of vandalism and Spam, active correction of spelling, grammar, and incorrect statements, high dedication. ''75% Votes''.
: '''Samwise Award''' – Qualifications: Active general improvement of articles. ''50% Votes''.

'''Voting'''
: For all awards but the Highest and Primary Awards voting shall be held for a month in a picked voting thread, which it is recommended that all users add to their watchlist. It is impossible that voters remain anonymous if someone wishes to find out, but they do not need to sign their names. They need only place (in bold) a '''++Yes''' or '''--No''' under the columns designated. Highest and Primary Awards shall have a voting span of one month; all others two weeks. At the end of voting the nominator or a picked administrator shall count up the votes, and depending on the figures given above the award may or may not be awarded to the person in question.

'''Basic Rules:'''
: Any Gatekeeper can nominate another Gatekeeper, but if they nominate someone who does not qualify to the technical qualifications the voting shall be stopped by an Administrator or another.
: Anyone who votes more than once may be at an administrator’s discretion banned for a maximum period of up to two months. Anyone who sees such cheating should report it immediately by placing it on an administrator’s talk page, not in the main voting thread. Any votes for himself/herself shall be deleted and ignored thereafter. If the voting for himself/herself occurs frequently, they may be punished at a picked administrator’s discretion.

'''*''' The creation of an article is, at the voter's discretion, either a completely new prominent article, or the drastic rise from a small article into an organized, complete, and detailed one.
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Fantastic job Narfil! Here are some suggestions that popped into my head:
* ''Keeper of the Seventh Gate'' is good, I also like the sound of ''Guard of the Citadel''.
* Personally I like the idea of requiring a higher percentage of votes to gain the rank, for ''Keeper of the Seventh Gate'' for example I might say 90% or even 100%. Maybe we can allow administrators to void one vote per admin or something similar. In my opinion if someone has a valid reason for not wanting to give someone the title it only makes sense to fix the problem before granting the title.
* Maybe we can think of a better title for ''Primary Awards'', although I can't at the moment.
* We also might consider spreading out the edit gap for the ''Primary Awards, like 1,000 and 5,000 or something. Only 500 edits can be obtained fairly easily. Since the awards are so high on the ladder I almost want to raise the edits to 5,000 and 10,000 or something.
* ''and the creation of at least five prominent articles'' - I would consider changing this to something along the lines of ''and the drastically improving'' or something, as at some time all of the major articles will already be created.
* I think the idea for a month voting for an admin/primary/highest and two weeks for the rest is a good estimate for how long it would take.
* There are numerous ways we can vote, another way would be to have subheadings for "Support" and "Object", the user puts down their username under the heading of their choice and a reason if they want to, a reason would be required for Objections.
* I think we'll have to create a template for placing awards in userpages, like a trophy box. I also like the idea of having all the awards look a certain style and list the name of the award at the bottom of the image. Some 'template' for the image so it doesn't just look like a random picture.
You've got some great ideas though! I'll wait a few more days for everyone to respond and we'll move the information to a permanent page, I think voting should be held off until we get a few more regulars however. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 22:58, 25 July 2006 (EDT)

:You just pointed out exactly what I forgot! The creation of an article is, at the voter's discretion, either a completely new prominent article, or the drastic rise from a small article into an organized, complete, and detailed one. The person would be "creating" the article, even if it were already in existance. There are only so many Tolkien subjects, you know, so we might have several other options. . .
:I had been thinking about raising the edit number. It might be a better idea to raise it up to 2000, 5000, and 10,000; or, if we want it simpler (considering that more is required than just a number of edits), 1000, 2500, and 5000. By Seventh Gate, I meant, by the way, the [[Great Gate of Gondolin]]; the [[Gate of Steel]].
:I'll think about what you said about raising the percentage on the more important awards. It does sound good to me. Thanks for your feedback. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 08:42, 26 July 2006 (EDT)

:Now, if you were to be nominated for a reward, would you be told on your talk page, or what? -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 14:21, 26 July 2006 (EDT)

::Great question Aragorn. I think its a good idea to notify the person on the talk page, we can setup a "You have been nominated" template. However I think the person shouldn't be notified right away because say for example they were nominated for ''Keeper of the Seventh Gate'' when they only had 56 edits and had been registered for 2 weeks, there is no point, so maybe after 24 hours we can add the template, or "at the users discretion" for adding it. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 14:33, 26 July 2006 (EDT)

:::Good idea. I like it. Now, if only we could get some graphics for the awards... -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 14:53, 26 July 2006 (EDT)

::::I'll be happy to do so. What I can do for most of the awards is find images, crop them, and upload them. We already have images for the Silima and Tilkal awards (unless someone objects to them; and I would still like to know Red or Green), and we should be able to find others for the other awards. For instance, I don't know of any Tolkien artist that did [[Aulë]] except [[Ted Nasmith]]. If we cropped the image so that it got his head and maybe a bit of the hammer. . . etc. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 15:18, 26 July 2006 (EDT)

:::::Well, green is easier to see, but I think red looks best. shall we go with that? -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 11:12, 27 July 2006 (EDT)

::::::I agree, green is easier to see. Is there anyway we can add some more color to the outline of the ring to give it more of a solid state? I also still like the idea of including all of the awards in a "template" which has maybe some kind of border, a specific size, and the name of the award at the bottom of the image. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 11:39, 27 July 2006 (EDT)

:::::::Yeah, that IS a good idea. Now, about that ring, maybe we could blend the red and green, so that it looks, in short, like what the Silmarillion said. Varying in different light. -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 12:05, 27 July 2006 (EDT)

::::::::I see what you mean about it being both red and green. Unfortunately, it mostly depends on the lighting I gave it. I could make Tilkal shine pretty much any color because of the lighting (and a little tweaking of the colors). I might be able to do something in Photoshop, though. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 13:17, 27 July 2006 (EDT)

:::::::::Okay then. Let's give it a shot and see what we can do, shall we? -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 11:51, 28 July 2006 (EDT)

::::::::::I'm sorry, but it won't work. We'll have to go with one or the other, or come up with something else. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 16:08, 28 July 2006 (EDT)

:::::::::::Alright then, green is my vote. Oh, one last question. When do these awards go into effect, or play, or whatever you want to call it? -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 14:19, 3 August 2006 (EDT)

::::::::::::Personally I think we should wait until we have a few more active contributors, at least 10 or so before having any kind of voting. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 14:23, 3 August 2006 (EDT)

:::::::::::::We don't have that many yet? Wow, we need to get our name out there, don't we? So, when should the awards go into effect?-[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 12:23, 4 August 2006 (EDT)

::::::::::::::However long it takes to get some more contributors :) a month or two I would guess. But we also need to create images for all these awards. I know there's a lot of people out there who would contribute, it's just a matter of making them aware of the site, maybe we can talk to some Wookieepedians, a lot of SW fans are Tolkien fans too. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 13:14, 4 August 2006 (EDT)

I have the award picture for Keeper of the Seventh Gate (I'm building it myself). But I need a little help. I need the translation of "''Keeper of the Seventh Gate''" into [[Quenya]]. As soon as I have that I'll upload an image of the project for your critizism. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 16:47, 4 August 2006 (EDT)

Here's the [[Telchar]] award image. It doesn't look that great, but took a lot of work. Originally I had two pictures: that of a sword and that of a blacksmith hammering a small hook on an anvil. I wiped out the hook, then put the copy-and-paste sword-blade on top. Then, using a paintbrush, I tried to give it a "hot" look. If anyone has any better images, they would be welcome. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 21:06, 4 August 2006 (EDT)

[[Image:Telchar Award Image.jpg|center|150px]]

:Well, Narfil, I have a picture of a sword that looks a little more Tolkien-y. If you want to do some more work, I'll upload the pic and you can photoshop the image to fit. If not, then that's fine.-[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 16:45, 6 August 2006 (EDT)

::Well, the point is sort of to have a hot sword or like implement upon an anvil. The sword itself really doesn't have to be very interesting, so long as it isn't clearly un-Tolkienish. If you could find a picture better than mine, or a painting of Telchar, that might be better, though. . .--[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 20:29, 6 August 2006 (EDT)

:::[[Image:Telchar thumb-1-.jpg]] This is the best I could find, but it's a thumb, so I don't know if it will work. -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 22:43, 6 August 2006 (EDT)

At last, after much time and work I have completed and uploaded the first stage of the Keeper of the Seventh Gate award.

[[Image:Keeper of the Seventh Gate Award Image.jpg]]

It's based on what I always thought the Tolkien Gateway logo should look like. See the image page itself for my own comments. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 15:43, 12 August 2006 (EDT)

:Well, the number of active Gatekeepers is rising slower, perhaps, than expected. Still, in the past two months or so we have received a couple more dedicated editors (namely Tar-Telperien and Dwarf Lord; it also looks like Ted C and Legolas will become such). How much longer do you think we should wait before polishing the rules and putting them into effect? At the moment I believe we have about seven or eight active Gatekeepers. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 21:57, 13 November 2006 (EST)

== User Awards Reborn ==

Most of the above happened a couple of years ago, when this was a smaller site. It's much bigger now, with more editors. Let's give some serious consideration to implementing some of this structure to boost morale and encourage people.--{{User:Theoden1/sig}} 01:21, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

:I agree with this whole idea. I haven't been on here much, but I plan to come on more, so you can count me in as an active gatekeeper.:)--[[User:Aragorn47|Aragorn47]] 23:19, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

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2008-10-03T23:18:19Z

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I have an idea. To encourage editors to edit, we could have three user templates - gold, silver, and bronze (or if you want more Tolkienish names [[Silima]], [[Mithril]], and [[Tilkal]]) - as templates for their user pages. For instance, a "bronze" template could be displayed on their userpage if they had 500 edits, silver if they had 1000 edits, and gold if they had over 2000 edits. Tell me what you think. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 10:02, 20 June 2006 (EDT)

:I love it! Some wikis have awards that can be given by anyone at random if they consider the user did something award worthy. This makes it difficult as people have different ideas for when someone accomplished something award-worthy. The edit requirement allows for at least some standard to be used. My only concern is that we might be focusing too much on edits when one person rewriting an entire article is much more helpful than simply a minor edit yet they count for the same. But I think in general the edit requirement is probably our best bet. We'll have to play around with some images, I definitely think the Tolkienish names you suggested are the way to go. We can also create other awards too like "Most active" or "Most knowledgeable" etc. because if we use the 500, 1,000, 2,000 standard people are going to have all the awards pretty fast. I kind of like 1000, 10000, 100000 :) Hm, we also need to make a good standard template that the award image is inside of, something that says "Award" at the bottom to identify the image and so if people have multiple awards all the images have the same theme. Great idea Narfil. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 13:54, 20 June 2006 (EDT)

Only a relatively small amount of editors will ever reach 1000, and only the more active editors will reach 500. 2000 is certainly something to be proud of (on the other hand, Ebakunin reached it pretty quickly!). I see what you mean about the size of edits, but I don't see a way around it though. I really don't think anyone, excepting yourself, will ever reach 100,000 (unless they work for years). 10,000 may warrant a sort of "super-award", because only a few will reach it. Ideas for other awards are as follows:

*Most active
*Most knowledgeable
*Best writing (needs a better title)
*Hardest working (also needs a better title)

But with those we could give "character" awards. For instance, "most knowledgeable" would be, say, the "[[Gandalf]]" award (other suggestions include [[Bilbo]] or [[Rúmil]]). "Most active" would be [[Aragorn]] (or [[Fëanor]]). "Best writing" might be [[Bilbo]]. "Hardest working" could be. . . I would have to think about that one. On the other hand, we might have titles. "Most knowledgeable" would be ''Loremaster award'', or etc. Just some ideas. Anyone can add to the list above. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 14:31, 20 June 2006 (EDT)

:I uploaded the following image for the "Silima" award:

[[Image:Silima.jpg|center|150px]]

:I am looking for a good [[Mithril]] image (see Talk:John Howe - Mithril), but I can probably create good [[Tilkal]] in Bryce. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 21:29, 24 June 2006 (EDT)

::Not to rush you or anything, Hyarion, but I was wondering if you had started the templates (I sure wish I knew how to do that. . .). Anyway, I'll try and get the Tilkal image done. Should the image be of a chain or just a close up of the texture? I favor the former. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 14:51, 8 July 2006 (EDT)

:::I've created the following image of [[Tilkal]] in Bryce (Notice that in varying lights it can be red or green; I prefer red, but I shall upload the green just so you can decide which one you prefer):

[[Image:Tilkal-red.jpg|center|150px]]

:::It's pretty big, but that was just in case we might need it for something else. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 16:17, 9 July 2006 (EDT)

:::And Tilkal in green:

[[Image:Tilkal-green.jpg|center|150px]]

:::Which do you prefer? --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 21:49, 9 July 2006 (EDT)

Well, I've had an idea for the voting for the "other" awards, such as ''most knowledgeable'', etc. We could have it so that any nominations for the award would be posted on this thread. Then the voting would go on for, say, a two-week period of time. Anyone can vote, but at the end of that period the voting is closed and the award is given or denyed. It must be at least a 2/3 majority. I favor for voting the "Barrow-downs" approach: '''++ Example''' or '''-- Example'''. Just an idea. This would also work for contests, though the period of time would be longer. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 09:51, 10 July 2006 (EDT)
:Well, on Wookiepedia, they have "Wookiepedian of the month", could we think of a similar title for us? -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 15:14, 18 July 2006 (EDT)

Alright, I've written out a set of rules as a Word document and copied them here. Tell me what you think.

Gatekeeper Awards

==Awards==
''Following shall be listed awards and their qualifications.''

'''Highest Award''': ''The highest award given to a Gatekeeper, only to the very best''
: '''Keeper of the Seventh Gate''' – Qualifications: 2+ year participation, outstanding quality of work, advanced knowledge of subject matter, prominent membership, recognized excellence. ''90% Votes''.

'''Primary Awards''': ''Primary awards are those most sought after; they reflect the overall status of the Gatekeeper''
: '''Silima Award''' – Qualifications: 2000+ edits, exceptional quality of work, and the creation of at least ten prominent articles*. ''90% Votes''.
: '''Tilkal Award''' – Qualifications: 1500+ edits, exceptional quality of work, and the creation of at least five prominent articles*. ''75% Votes''.
: '''Mithril Award''' – Qualifications: 1000+ edits, high quality of work. ''60% Votes''.

'''Quality Awards''': ''Quality is defined as an overall status of the writings, taking into play organization and content''
: '''Aulë Award''' – Qualifications: Exceptional quality of work, knowledge of subject matter. ''60% Votes''.
: '''Telchar Award''' – Qualifications: High quality of work. ''50% Votes''.

'''Loremaster Awards''': ''Loremaster/Knowledgeability Awards are for those who have a great knowledge of Tolkien’s works, and have put this knowledge to good use''
: '''Mandos Award''' – Qualifications: 750+ edits, high quality of work, proven knowledgeability to the point of encyclopedic knowledge. ''50% Votes''.
: '''Rúmil Award''' – Qualifications: 500+ edits, proven knowledgeability. ''50% Votes''.
: '''Lore Rating''' – These are self-given ratings (0–4) on general knowledge. No votes are required.

'''Activity Awards''': ''Activity Awards are given to those who are prominent, dedicated, and generally active''
: '''Tulkas Award''' – Qualifications: 1000+ edits, high status of activity, talk is exceptionally logical and worthwhile, considerable contributions. ''50% Votes''.
: '''Fëanor Award''' – Qualifications: 750+ edits, high status of activity, talk is worthwhile. ''50% Votes''.
: '''Edit Rating''' – These are self-given ratings, counting the number of edits (1) 500+, (2) 1000+, (3) 2000+, (4) 5000+, (5) 10,000+. Only one, preferably the highest one, may be displayed in the award box.

'''Gardener Awards''': ''Gardener Awards are for those who are patient and hard-working; who even if they aren’t very knowledgeable they make Tolkien Gateway a better place''
: '''Yavanna Award''' – Qualifications: Active deletion of vandalism and Spam, active correction of spelling, grammar, and incorrect statements, high dedication. ''75% Votes''.
: '''Samwise Award''' – Qualifications: Active general improvement of articles. ''50% Votes''.

'''Voting'''
: For all awards but the Highest and Primary Awards voting shall be held for a month in a picked voting thread, which it is recommended that all users add to their watchlist. It is impossible that voters remain anonymous if someone wishes to find out, but they do not need to sign their names. They need only place (in bold) a '''++Yes''' or '''--No''' under the columns designated. Highest and Primary Awards shall have a voting span of one month; all others two weeks. At the end of voting the nominator or a picked administrator shall count up the votes, and depending on the figures given above the award may or may not be awarded to the person in question.

'''Basic Rules:'''
: Any Gatekeeper can nominate another Gatekeeper, but if they nominate someone who does not qualify to the technical qualifications the voting shall be stopped by an Administrator or another.
: Anyone who votes more than once may be at an administrator’s discretion banned for a maximum period of up to two months. Anyone who sees such cheating should report it immediately by placing it on an administrator’s talk page, not in the main voting thread. Any votes for himself/herself shall be deleted and ignored thereafter. If the voting for himself/herself occurs frequently, they may be punished at a picked administrator’s discretion.

'''*''' The creation of an article is, at the voter's discretion, either a completely new prominent article, or the drastic rise from a small article into an organized, complete, and detailed one.
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Fantastic job Narfil! Here are some suggestions that popped into my head:
* ''Keeper of the Seventh Gate'' is good, I also like the sound of ''Guard of the Citadel''.
* Personally I like the idea of requiring a higher percentage of votes to gain the rank, for ''Keeper of the Seventh Gate'' for example I might say 90% or even 100%. Maybe we can allow administrators to void one vote per admin or something similar. In my opinion if someone has a valid reason for not wanting to give someone the title it only makes sense to fix the problem before granting the title.
* Maybe we can think of a better title for ''Primary Awards'', although I can't at the moment.
* We also might consider spreading out the edit gap for the ''Primary Awards, like 1,000 and 5,000 or something. Only 500 edits can be obtained fairly easily. Since the awards are so high on the ladder I almost want to raise the edits to 5,000 and 10,000 or something.
* ''and the creation of at least five prominent articles'' - I would consider changing this to something along the lines of ''and the drastically improving'' or something, as at some time all of the major articles will already be created.
* I think the idea for a month voting for an admin/primary/highest and two weeks for the rest is a good estimate for how long it would take.
* There are numerous ways we can vote, another way would be to have subheadings for "Support" and "Object", the user puts down their username under the heading of their choice and a reason if they want to, a reason would be required for Objections.
* I think we'll have to create a template for placing awards in userpages, like a trophy box. I also like the idea of having all the awards look a certain style and list the name of the award at the bottom of the image. Some 'template' for the image so it doesn't just look like a random picture.
You've got some great ideas though! I'll wait a few more days for everyone to respond and we'll move the information to a permanent page, I think voting should be held off until we get a few more regulars however. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 22:58, 25 July 2006 (EDT)

:You just pointed out exactly what I forgot! The creation of an article is, at the voter's discretion, either a completely new prominent article, or the drastic rise from a small article into an organized, complete, and detailed one. The person would be "creating" the article, even if it were already in existance. There are only so many Tolkien subjects, you know, so we might have several other options. . .
:I had been thinking about raising the edit number. It might be a better idea to raise it up to 2000, 5000, and 10,000; or, if we want it simpler (considering that more is required than just a number of edits), 1000, 2500, and 5000. By Seventh Gate, I meant, by the way, the [[Great Gate of Gondolin]]; the [[Gate of Steel]].
:I'll think about what you said about raising the percentage on the more important awards. It does sound good to me. Thanks for your feedback. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 08:42, 26 July 2006 (EDT)

:Now, if you were to be nominated for a reward, would you be told on your talk page, or what? -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 14:21, 26 July 2006 (EDT)

::Great question Aragorn. I think its a good idea to notify the person on the talk page, we can setup a "You have been nominated" template. However I think the person shouldn't be notified right away because say for example they were nominated for ''Keeper of the Seventh Gate'' when they only had 56 edits and had been registered for 2 weeks, there is no point, so maybe after 24 hours we can add the template, or "at the users discretion" for adding it. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 14:33, 26 July 2006 (EDT)

:::Good idea. I like it. Now, if only we could get some graphics for the awards... -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 14:53, 26 July 2006 (EDT)

::::I'll be happy to do so. What I can do for most of the awards is find images, crop them, and upload them. We already have images for the Silima and Tilkal awards (unless someone objects to them; and I would still like to know Red or Green), and we should be able to find others for the other awards. For instance, I don't know of any Tolkien artist that did [[Aulë]] except [[Ted Nasmith]]. If we cropped the image so that it got his head and maybe a bit of the hammer. . . etc. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 15:18, 26 July 2006 (EDT)

:::::Well, green is easier to see, but I think red looks best. shall we go with that? -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 11:12, 27 July 2006 (EDT)

::::::I agree, green is easier to see. Is there anyway we can add some more color to the outline of the ring to give it more of a solid state? I also still like the idea of including all of the awards in a "template" which has maybe some kind of border, a specific size, and the name of the award at the bottom of the image. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 11:39, 27 July 2006 (EDT)

:::::::Yeah, that IS a good idea. Now, about that ring, maybe we could blend the red and green, so that it looks, in short, like what the Silmarillion said. Varying in different light. -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 12:05, 27 July 2006 (EDT)

::::::::I see what you mean about it being both red and green. Unfortunately, it mostly depends on the lighting I gave it. I could make Tilkal shine pretty much any color because of the lighting (and a little tweaking of the colors). I might be able to do something in Photoshop, though. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 13:17, 27 July 2006 (EDT)

:::::::::Okay then. Let's give it a shot and see what we can do, shall we? -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 11:51, 28 July 2006 (EDT)

::::::::::I'm sorry, but it won't work. We'll have to go with one or the other, or come up with something else. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 16:08, 28 July 2006 (EDT)

:::::::::::Alright then, green is my vote. Oh, one last question. When do these awards go into effect, or play, or whatever you want to call it? -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 14:19, 3 August 2006 (EDT)

::::::::::::Personally I think we should wait until we have a few more active contributors, at least 10 or so before having any kind of voting. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 14:23, 3 August 2006 (EDT)

:::::::::::::We don't have that many yet? Wow, we need to get our name out there, don't we? So, when should the awards go into effect?-[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 12:23, 4 August 2006 (EDT)

::::::::::::::However long it takes to get some more contributors :) a month or two I would guess. But we also need to create images for all these awards. I know there's a lot of people out there who would contribute, it's just a matter of making them aware of the site, maybe we can talk to some Wookieepedians, a lot of SW fans are Tolkien fans too. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 13:14, 4 August 2006 (EDT)

I have the award picture for Keeper of the Seventh Gate (I'm building it myself). But I need a little help. I need the translation of "''Keeper of the Seventh Gate''" into [[Quenya]]. As soon as I have that I'll upload an image of the project for your critizism. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 16:47, 4 August 2006 (EDT)

Here's the [[Telchar]] award image. It doesn't look that great, but took a lot of work. Originally I had two pictures: that of a sword and that of a blacksmith hammering a small hook on an anvil. I wiped out the hook, then put the copy-and-paste sword-blade on top. Then, using a paintbrush, I tried to give it a "hot" look. If anyone has any better images, they would be welcome. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 21:06, 4 August 2006 (EDT)

[[Image:Telchar Award Image.jpg|center|150px]]

:Well, Narfil, I have a picture of a sword that looks a little more Tolkien-y. If you want to do some more work, I'll upload the pic and you can photoshop the image to fit. If not, then that's fine.-[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 16:45, 6 August 2006 (EDT)

::Well, the point is sort of to have a hot sword or like implement upon an anvil. The sword itself really doesn't have to be very interesting, so long as it isn't clearly un-Tolkienish. If you could find a picture better than mine, or a painting of Telchar, that might be better, though. . .--[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 20:29, 6 August 2006 (EDT)

:::[[Image:Telchar thumb-1-.jpg]] This is the best I could find, but it's a thumb, so I don't know if it will work. -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 22:43, 6 August 2006 (EDT)

At last, after much time and work I have completed and uploaded the first stage of the Keeper of the Seventh Gate award.

[[Image:Keeper of the Seventh Gate Award Image.jpg]]

It's based on what I always thought the Tolkien Gateway logo should look like. See the image page itself for my own comments. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 15:43, 12 August 2006 (EDT)

:Well, the number of active Gatekeepers is rising slower, perhaps, than expected. Still, in the past two months or so we have received a couple more dedicated editors (namely Tar-Telperien and Dwarf Lord; it also looks like Ted C and Legolas will become such). How much longer do you think we should wait before polishing the rules and putting them into effect? At the moment I believe we have about seven or eight active Gatekeepers. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 21:57, 13 November 2006 (EST)

== User Awards Reborn ==

Most of the above happened a couple of years ago, when this was a smaller site. It's much bigger now, with more editors. Let's give some serious consideration to implementing some of this structure to boost morale and encourage people.--{{User:Theoden1/sig}} 01:21, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

:I agree with this whole idea. I haven't been on here much, but I plan to come on more, so you can count me in as an active gatekeeper.

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2008-10-03T23:10:47Z

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I have an idea. To encourage editors to edit, we could have three user templates - gold, silver, and bronze (or if you want more Tolkienish names [[Silima]], [[Mithril]], and [[Tilkal]]) - as templates for their user pages. For instance, a "bronze" template could be displayed on their userpage if they had 500 edits, silver if they had 1000 edits, and gold if they had over 2000 edits. Tell me what you think. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 10:02, 20 June 2006 (EDT)

:I love it! Some wikis have awards that can be given by anyone at random if they consider the user did something award worthy. This makes it difficult as people have different ideas for when someone accomplished something award-worthy. The edit requirement allows for at least some standard to be used. My only concern is that we might be focusing too much on edits when one person rewriting an entire article is much more helpful than simply a minor edit yet they count for the same. But I think in general the edit requirement is probably our best bet. We'll have to play around with some images, I definitely think the Tolkienish names you suggested are the way to go. We can also create other awards too like "Most active" or "Most knowledgeable" etc. because if we use the 500, 1,000, 2,000 standard people are going to have all the awards pretty fast. I kind of like 1000, 10000, 100000 :) Hm, we also need to make a good standard template that the award image is inside of, something that says "Award" at the bottom to identify the image and so if people have multiple awards all the images have the same theme. Great idea Narfil. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 13:54, 20 June 2006 (EDT)

Only a relatively small amount of editors will ever reach 1000, and only the more active editors will reach 500. 2000 is certainly something to be proud of (on the other hand, Ebakunin reached it pretty quickly!). I see what you mean about the size of edits, but I don't see a way around it though. I really don't think anyone, excepting yourself, will ever reach 100,000 (unless they work for years). 10,000 may warrant a sort of "super-award", because only a few will reach it. Ideas for other awards are as follows:

*Most active
*Most knowledgeable
*Best writing (needs a better title)
*Hardest working (also needs a better title)

But with those we could give "character" awards. For instance, "most knowledgeable" would be, say, the "[[Gandalf]]" award (other suggestions include [[Bilbo]] or [[Rúmil]]). "Most active" would be [[Aragorn]] (or [[Fëanor]]). "Best writing" might be [[Bilbo]]. "Hardest working" could be. . . I would have to think about that one. On the other hand, we might have titles. "Most knowledgeable" would be ''Loremaster award'', or etc. Just some ideas. Anyone can add to the list above. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 14:31, 20 June 2006 (EDT)

:I uploaded the following image for the "Silima" award:

[[Image:Silima.jpg|center|150px]]

:I am looking for a good [[Mithril]] image (see Talk:John Howe - Mithril), but I can probably create good [[Tilkal]] in Bryce. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 21:29, 24 June 2006 (EDT)

::Not to rush you or anything, Hyarion, but I was wondering if you had started the templates (I sure wish I knew how to do that. . .). Anyway, I'll try and get the Tilkal image done. Should the image be of a chain or just a close up of the texture? I favor the former. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 14:51, 8 July 2006 (EDT)

:::I've created the following image of [[Tilkal]] in Bryce (Notice that in varying lights it can be red or green; I prefer red, but I shall upload the green just so you can decide which one you prefer):

[[Image:Tilkal-red.jpg|center|150px]]

:::It's pretty big, but that was just in case we might need it for something else. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 16:17, 9 July 2006 (EDT)

:::And Tilkal in green:

[[Image:Tilkal-green.jpg|center|150px]]

:::Which do you prefer? --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 21:49, 9 July 2006 (EDT)

Well, I've had an idea for the voting for the "other" awards, such as ''most knowledgeable'', etc. We could have it so that any nominations for the award would be posted on this thread. Then the voting would go on for, say, a two-week period of time. Anyone can vote, but at the end of that period the voting is closed and the award is given or denyed. It must be at least a 2/3 majority. I favor for voting the "Barrow-downs" approach: '''++ Example''' or '''-- Example'''. Just an idea. This would also work for contests, though the period of time would be longer. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 09:51, 10 July 2006 (EDT)
:Well, on Wookiepedia, they have "Wookiepedian of the month", could we think of a similar title for us? -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 15:14, 18 July 2006 (EDT)

Alright, I've written out a set of rules as a Word document and copied them here. Tell me what you think.

Gatekeeper Awards

==Awards==
''Following shall be listed awards and their qualifications.''

'''Highest Award''': ''The highest award given to a Gatekeeper, only to the very best''
: '''Keeper of the Seventh Gate''' – Qualifications: 2+ year participation, outstanding quality of work, advanced knowledge of subject matter, prominent membership, recognized excellence. ''90% Votes''.

'''Primary Awards''': ''Primary awards are those most sought after; they reflect the overall status of the Gatekeeper''
: '''Silima Award''' – Qualifications: 2000+ edits, exceptional quality of work, and the creation of at least ten prominent articles*. ''90% Votes''.
: '''Tilkal Award''' – Qualifications: 1500+ edits, exceptional quality of work, and the creation of at least five prominent articles*. ''75% Votes''.
: '''Mithril Award''' – Qualifications: 1000+ edits, high quality of work. ''60% Votes''.

'''Quality Awards''': ''Quality is defined as an overall status of the writings, taking into play organization and content''
: '''Aulë Award''' – Qualifications: Exceptional quality of work, knowledge of subject matter. ''60% Votes''.
: '''Telchar Award''' – Qualifications: High quality of work. ''50% Votes''.

'''Loremaster Awards''': ''Loremaster/Knowledgeability Awards are for those who have a great knowledge of Tolkien’s works, and have put this knowledge to good use''
: '''Mandos Award''' – Qualifications: 750+ edits, high quality of work, proven knowledgeability to the point of encyclopedic knowledge. ''50% Votes''.
: '''Rúmil Award''' – Qualifications: 500+ edits, proven knowledgeability. ''50% Votes''.
: '''Lore Rating''' – These are self-given ratings (0–4) on general knowledge. No votes are required.

'''Activity Awards''': ''Activity Awards are given to those who are prominent, dedicated, and generally active''
: '''Tulkas Award''' – Qualifications: 1000+ edits, high status of activity, talk is exceptionally logical and worthwhile, considerable contributions. ''50% Votes''.
: '''Fëanor Award''' – Qualifications: 750+ edits, high status of activity, talk is worthwhile. ''50% Votes''.
: '''Edit Rating''' – These are self-given ratings, counting the number of edits (1) 500+, (2) 1000+, (3) 2000+, (4) 5000+, (5) 10,000+. Only one, preferably the highest one, may be displayed in the award box.

'''Gardener Awards''': ''Gardener Awards are for those who are patient and hard-working; who even if they aren’t very knowledgeable they make Tolkien Gateway a better place''
: '''Yavanna Award''' – Qualifications: Active deletion of vandalism and Spam, active correction of spelling, grammar, and incorrect statements, high dedication. ''75% Votes''.
: '''Samwise Award''' – Qualifications: Active general improvement of articles. ''50% Votes''.

'''Voting'''
: For all awards but the Highest and Primary Awards voting shall be held for a month in a picked voting thread, which it is recommended that all users add to their watchlist. It is impossible that voters remain anonymous if someone wishes to find out, but they do not need to sign their names. They need only place (in bold) a '''++Yes''' or '''--No''' under the columns designated. Highest and Primary Awards shall have a voting span of one month; all others two weeks. At the end of voting the nominator or a picked administrator shall count up the votes, and depending on the figures given above the award may or may not be awarded to the person in question.

'''Basic Rules:'''
: Any Gatekeeper can nominate another Gatekeeper, but if they nominate someone who does not qualify to the technical qualifications the voting shall be stopped by an Administrator or another.
: Anyone who votes more than once may be at an administrator’s discretion banned for a maximum period of up to two months. Anyone who sees such cheating should report it immediately by placing it on an administrator’s talk page, not in the main voting thread. Any votes for himself/herself shall be deleted and ignored thereafter. If the voting for himself/herself occurs frequently, they may be punished at a picked administrator’s discretion.

'''*''' The creation of an article is, at the voter's discretion, either a completely new prominent article, or the drastic rise from a small article into an organized, complete, and detailed one.
----
Fantastic job Narfil! Here are some suggestions that popped into my head:
* ''Keeper of the Seventh Gate'' is good, I also like the sound of ''Guard of the Citadel''.
* Personally I like the idea of requiring a higher percentage of votes to gain the rank, for ''Keeper of the Seventh Gate'' for example I might say 90% or even 100%. Maybe we can allow administrators to void one vote per admin or something similar. In my opinion if someone has a valid reason for not wanting to give someone the title it only makes sense to fix the problem before granting the title.
* Maybe we can think of a better title for ''Primary Awards'', although I can't at the moment.
* We also might consider spreading out the edit gap for the ''Primary Awards, like 1,000 and 5,000 or something. Only 500 edits can be obtained fairly easily. Since the awards are so high on the ladder I almost want to raise the edits to 5,000 and 10,000 or something.
* ''and the creation of at least five prominent articles'' - I would consider changing this to something along the lines of ''and the drastically improving'' or something, as at some time all of the major articles will already be created.
* I think the idea for a month voting for an admin/primary/highest and two weeks for the rest is a good estimate for how long it would take.
* There are numerous ways we can vote, another way would be to have subheadings for "Support" and "Object", the user puts down their username under the heading of their choice and a reason if they want to, a reason would be required for Objections.
* I think we'll have to create a template for placing awards in userpages, like a trophy box. I also like the idea of having all the awards look a certain style and list the name of the award at the bottom of the image. Some 'template' for the image so it doesn't just look like a random picture.
You've got some great ideas though! I'll wait a few more days for everyone to respond and we'll move the information to a permanent page, I think voting should be held off until we get a few more regulars however. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 22:58, 25 July 2006 (EDT)

:You just pointed out exactly what I forgot! The creation of an article is, at the voter's discretion, either a completely new prominent article, or the drastic rise from a small article into an organized, complete, and detailed one. The person would be "creating" the article, even if it were already in existance. There are only so many Tolkien subjects, you know, so we might have several other options. . .
:I had been thinking about raising the edit number. It might be a better idea to raise it up to 2000, 5000, and 10,000; or, if we want it simpler (considering that more is required than just a number of edits), 1000, 2500, and 5000. By Seventh Gate, I meant, by the way, the [[Great Gate of Gondolin]]; the [[Gate of Steel]].
:I'll think about what you said about raising the percentage on the more important awards. It does sound good to me. Thanks for your feedback. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 08:42, 26 July 2006 (EDT)

:Now, if you were to be nominated for a reward, would you be told on your talk page, or what? -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 14:21, 26 July 2006 (EDT)

::Great question Aragorn. I think its a good idea to notify the person on the talk page, we can setup a "You have been nominated" template. However I think the person shouldn't be notified right away because say for example they were nominated for ''Keeper of the Seventh Gate'' when they only had 56 edits and had been registered for 2 weeks, there is no point, so maybe after 24 hours we can add the template, or "at the users discretion" for adding it. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 14:33, 26 July 2006 (EDT)

:::Good idea. I like it. Now, if only we could get some graphics for the awards... -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 14:53, 26 July 2006 (EDT)

::::I'll be happy to do so. What I can do for most of the awards is find images, crop them, and upload them. We already have images for the Silima and Tilkal awards (unless someone objects to them; and I would still like to know Red or Green), and we should be able to find others for the other awards. For instance, I don't know of any Tolkien artist that did [[Aulë]] except [[Ted Nasmith]]. If we cropped the image so that it got his head and maybe a bit of the hammer. . . etc. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 15:18, 26 July 2006 (EDT)

:::::Well, green is easier to see, but I think red looks best. shall we go with that? -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 11:12, 27 July 2006 (EDT)

::::::I agree, green is easier to see. Is there anyway we can add some more color to the outline of the ring to give it more of a solid state? I also still like the idea of including all of the awards in a "template" which has maybe some kind of border, a specific size, and the name of the award at the bottom of the image. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 11:39, 27 July 2006 (EDT)

:::::::Yeah, that IS a good idea. Now, about that ring, maybe we could blend the red and green, so that it looks, in short, like what the Silmarillion said. Varying in different light. -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 12:05, 27 July 2006 (EDT)

::::::::I see what you mean about it being both red and green. Unfortunately, it mostly depends on the lighting I gave it. I could make Tilkal shine pretty much any color because of the lighting (and a little tweaking of the colors). I might be able to do something in Photoshop, though. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 13:17, 27 July 2006 (EDT)

:::::::::Okay then. Let's give it a shot and see what we can do, shall we? -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 11:51, 28 July 2006 (EDT)

::::::::::I'm sorry, but it won't work. We'll have to go with one or the other, or come up with something else. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 16:08, 28 July 2006 (EDT)

:::::::::::Alright then, green is my vote. Oh, one last question. When do these awards go into effect, or play, or whatever you want to call it? -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 14:19, 3 August 2006 (EDT)

::::::::::::Personally I think we should wait until we have a few more active contributors, at least 10 or so before having any kind of voting. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 14:23, 3 August 2006 (EDT)

:::::::::::::We don't have that many yet? Wow, we need to get our name out there, don't we? So, when should the awards go into effect?-[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 12:23, 4 August 2006 (EDT)

::::::::::::::However long it takes to get some more contributors :) a month or two I would guess. But we also need to create images for all these awards. I know there's a lot of people out there who would contribute, it's just a matter of making them aware of the site, maybe we can talk to some Wookieepedians, a lot of SW fans are Tolkien fans too. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 13:14, 4 August 2006 (EDT)

I have the award picture for Keeper of the Seventh Gate (I'm building it myself). But I need a little help. I need the translation of "''Keeper of the Seventh Gate''" into [[Quenya]]. As soon as I have that I'll upload an image of the project for your critizism. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 16:47, 4 August 2006 (EDT)

Here's the [[Telchar]] award image. It doesn't look that great, but took a lot of work. Originally I had two pictures: that of a sword and that of a blacksmith hammering a small hook on an anvil. I wiped out the hook, then put the copy-and-paste sword-blade on top. Then, using a paintbrush, I tried to give it a "hot" look. If anyone has any better images, they would be welcome. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 21:06, 4 August 2006 (EDT)

[[Image:Telchar Award Image.jpg|center|150px]]

:Well, Narfil, I have a picture of a sword that looks a little more Tolkien-y. If you want to do some more work, I'll upload the pic and you can photoshop the image to fit. If not, then that's fine.-[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 16:45, 6 August 2006 (EDT)

::Well, the point is sort of to have a hot sword or like implement upon an anvil. The sword itself really doesn't have to be very interesting, so long as it isn't clearly un-Tolkienish. If you could find a picture better than mine, or a painting of Telchar, that might be better, though. . .--[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 20:29, 6 August 2006 (EDT)

:::[[Image:Telchar thumb-1-.jpg]] This is the best I could find, but it's a thumb, so I don't know if it will work. -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 22:43, 6 August 2006 (EDT)

At last, after much time and work I have completed and uploaded the first stage of the Keeper of the Seventh Gate award.

[[Image:Keeper of the Seventh Gate Award Image.jpg]]

It's based on what I always thought the Tolkien Gateway logo should look like. See the image page itself for my own comments. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 15:43, 12 August 2006 (EDT)

:Well, the number of active Gatekeepers is rising slower, perhaps, than expected. Still, in the past two months or so we have received a couple more dedicated editors (namely Tar-Telperien and Dwarf Lord; it also looks like Ted C and Legolas will become such). How much longer do you think we should wait before polishing the rules and putting them into effect? At the moment I believe we have about seven or eight active Gatekeepers. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 21:57, 13 November 2006 (EST)

== User Awards Reborn ==

Most of the above happened a couple of years ago, when this was a smaller site. It's much bigger now, with more editors. Let's give some serious consideration to implementing some of this structure to boost morale and encourage people.--{{User:Theoden1/sig}} 01:21, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Forums:The Cottage of Lost Play

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I am currently reading The Book of Lost Tales Part 1, Chapter 1, about the [[Cottage of Lost Play]], and I'm not exactly understanding everything Christopher Tolkien writes. The main thing I'm wondering is where exactly it is: I got the impression that it was in Valinor, but the page here says it is in Tol Eressëa.

User:Aragorn47

2008-10-03T22:51:06Z

Aragorn47:

User:Aragorn47

2008-10-03T22:49:53Z

Aragorn47:

Hello fellow LOTR fans. Although I am probably not as learned in the works of [[J.R.R. Tolkien]] as many of you, I still consider myself to be an LOTR nerd. I have, however, read all three books in the trilogy, ''[[The Hobbit]]'', ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', ''[[The Children of Húrin]]'', and have now started ''[[The Book of Lost Tales: Part I]]''. I hope to learn much on this site, and also to contribute as much as I can.

Quest of Mount Doom

2008-10-03T22:45:22Z

Aragorn47:

The quest of [[The Wise]] to bring the [[One Ring]] to [[Orodruin]], and there destroy it. Nine set out on the quest, the [[Company of the Ring]], but only two succeeded in reaching [[Mount Doom]]: [[Frodo Baggins]] and [[Samwise Gamgee]]. For more information, see the page: [[Quest of the Ring]].

[[Category:Events]]

Quest of Mount Doom

2008-10-03T22:44:45Z

Aragorn47:

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The quest of [[The Wise]] to bring the [[One Ring]] to [[Orodruin]], and there destroy it. Nine set out on the quest, the [[Company of the Ring]], but only two succeeded in reaching [[Mount Doom]]: [[Frodo Baggins]] and [[Samwise Gamgee]]. For more information, see the page: [[The Quest of the Ring]].

[[Category:Events]]

Goblin Feet

2008-10-03T22:42:42Z

Aragorn47:

'''Goblin Feet''' was a poem written by [[J.R.R. Tolkien]] in April of 1915, around the same time that he wrote the poem [[You and Me / and the Cottage of Lost Play]]. In ''The Book of Lost Tales: Part I'', Christopher Tolkien quotes his father as saying, "I wish the unhappy little thing, representing all that I came (so soon after) to fervently dislike, could be buried for ever." Here is part of the poem:

''I am off down the road''

''Where the fairy lanterns glowed''

''And the little pretty flitter-mice are flying''

''A slender band of gray''

''It runs creepily away''

''And the hedges and the grasses are a-sighing.''

''The air is full of wings,''

''And of blundery beetle-things''

''That warn you with their whirring and their humming.''

''O! I hear the tiny horns''

''Of enchanged leprechauns''

''And the padded feet of many gnomes a-coming!''

''O! the lights! O! the gleams! O! the little twinkly sounds!''

''O! the rustle of their noiseless little robes!''

''O! the echo of their feet - of their happy little feet!''

''O! the swinging lamps in the starlit globes.''

''I must follow in their train''

''Down the crooked fairy lane''

''Where the coney-rabbits long ago have gone.''

''And where silvery they sing''

''In a moving moonlit ring''

''All a twinkle with the jewels they have on.''

''They are fading round the turn''

''Where the glow worms palely burn''

''And the echo of their padding feet is dying!''

''O! it's knocking at my heart-''

''Let me go! let me start!''

''For the little magic hours are all a-flying.''

''O! the warmth! O! the hum! O! the colors in the dark!''

''O! the gauzy wings of golden honey-flies!''

''O! the music of their feet - of their dancing goblin feet!''

''O! the magic! O! the sorrow when it dies.''

==External links==
* "[http://www.tolkienlibrary.com/press/oxfordpoetry1915.htm Goblin Feet, a poem by J.R.R. Tolkien]", by [[Pieter Collier]].
[[category:Poems]]

Goblin Feet

2008-10-03T22:40:55Z

Aragorn47:

'''Goblin Feet''' was a poem written by [[J.R.R. Tolkien]] in April of 1915, around the same time that he wrote the poem [[You and Me / and the Cottage of Lost Play]]. In ''The Book of Lost Tales: Part I'', Christopher Tolkien quotes his father as saying, "I wish the unhappy little thing, representing all that I came (so soon after) to fervently dislike, could be buried for ever." Here is part of the poem:

''I am off down the road''

''Where the fairy lanterns glowed''

''And the little pretty flitter-mice are flying''

''A slender band of gray''

''It runs creepily away''

''And the hedges and the grasses are a-sighing.''

''The air is full of wings,''

''And of blundery beetle-things''

''That warn you with their whirring and their humming.''

''O! I hear the tiny horns''

''Of enchanged leprechauns''

''And the padded feet of many gnomes a-coming!''

''O! the lights! O! the gleams! O! the little twinkly sounds!''

''O! the rustle of their noiseless little robes!''

''O! the echo of their feet - of their happy little feet!''

''O! the swinging lamps in the starlit globes.''

I must follow in their train
Down the crooked fairy lane
Where the coney-rabbits long ago have gone.
And where silvery they sing
In a moving moonlit ring
All a twinkle with the jewels they have on.
They are fading round the turn
Where the glow worms palely burn
And the echo of their padding feet is dying!
O! it's knocking at my heart-
Let me go! let me start!
For the little magic hours are all a-flying.

O! the warmth! O! the hum! O! the colors in the dark!
O! the gauzy wings of golden honey-flies!
O! the music of their feet - of their dancing goblin feet!
O! the magic! O! the sorrow when it dies.''

==External links==
* "[http://www.tolkienlibrary.com/press/oxfordpoetry1915.htm Goblin Feet, a poem by J.R.R. Tolkien]", by [[Pieter Collier]].
[[category:Poems]]

Goblin Feet

2008-10-03T22:39:05Z

Aragorn47:

'''Goblin Feet''' was a poem written by [[J.R.R. Tolkien]] in April of 1915, around the same time that he wrote the poem [[You and Me / and the Cottage of Lost Play]]. In ''The Book of Lost Tales: Part I'', Christopher Tolkien quotes his father as saying, "I wish the unhappy little thing, representing all that I came (so soon after) to fervently dislike, could be buried for ever." Here is part of the poem:

''I am off down the road''
''Where the fairy lanterns glowed
''And the little pretty flitter-mice are flying
''A slender band of gray
''It runs creepily away
''And the hedges and the grasses are a-sighing.
''The air is full of wings,
''And of blundery beetle-things
''That warn you with their whirring and their humming.
''O! I hear the tiny horns
''Of enchanged leprechauns
''And the padded feet of many gnomes a-coming!
''O! the lights! O! the gleams! O! the little twinkly sounds!
O! the rustle of their noiseless little robes!
O! the echo of their feet - of their happy little feet!
O! the swinging lamps in the starlit globes.

I must follow in their train
Down the crooked fairy lane
Where the coney-rabbits long ago have gone.
And where silvery they sing
In a moving moonlit ring
All a twinkle with the jewels they have on.
They are fading round the turn
Where the glow worms palely burn
And the echo of their padding feet is dying!
O! it's knocking at my heart-
Let me go! let me start!
For the little magic hours are all a-flying.

O! the warmth! O! the hum! O! the colors in the dark!
O! the gauzy wings of golden honey-flies!
O! the music of their feet - of their dancing goblin feet!
O! the magic! O! the sorrow when it dies.''

==External links==
* "[http://www.tolkienlibrary.com/press/oxfordpoetry1915.htm Goblin Feet, a poem by J.R.R. Tolkien]", by [[Pieter Collier]].
[[category:Poems]]