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== On the future of dictionary-style entries ==<br />
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There has been a recent heavy debate on this at [[Forum:Quenya declension template appearance]]. Since you have weighed on this before, could you weigh in now? - [[User:Gilgamesh|Gilgamesh]] 01:35, 15 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Hi, Breragor! Just a quick message to inform you that we are holding our next [[Tolkien Gateway:Meetings|Meeting]] on [[Tolkien Gateway:Meetings/5 September 2010|Sunday, 5<sup>th</sup> September 2010]] at 7pm [[wikipedia:UTC|UTC]]. Whether you are or aren't able to attend, please sign your name on the [[Tolkien Gateway talk:Meetings/5 September 2010|here]]. Hope to see you on Sunday! --{{User:Mith/sig}} 19:25, 30 August 2010 (UTC)</div>Breragorhttps://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Tolkien_Gateway_talk:Featured_articles/Nominations&diff=144712Tolkien Gateway talk:Featured articles/Nominations2011-03-07T00:53:26Z<p>Breragor: /* Criteria */</p>
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<div>== Nomination limits ==<br />
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Let's try to hold the nominations down to 2 or 3 at a time. Hyarion wants to concentrate on bringing more articles up to standards, and I agree.--[[User:Theoden1|Theoden1]] 16:17, 9 June 2008 (EDT)<br />
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== Criteria == <br />
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I think we should come up with better criteria for nominating an article. Some people have mentioned pictures, references, and sources as necessary components - I'll agree. Yet saying we cannot use [[J.R.R. Tolkien|this article]] becuase it has no footnotes, when the [[Eriador|Featured Article]] doesn't have any cannot work out. Can we establish a formal list of criteria? --{{User:Breragor/sig}} 00:53, 2 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:O.o [[Eriador#References|Eriador has 45 footnotes]]. But yes, I agree, it's a good idea to establish a list of criteria. --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 10:59, 2 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::I recall coming up with a list a year or so back, but I can't recall where it is. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 12:27, 2 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::{{blockquote|A FA must:<ul><li>Describe an important event, artifact or person, be it in the real-world or in Arda.</li><li>Have a limited amount of redlinks (5%?).</li><li>Have full sourcing.</li><li>Have some good images.</li><li>Have a bulk of text in the "History" section.</li><li>Have (if available) a full "Portrayal in Adaptations" section.</li><li>Have (if available) a full genealogy in the [[:Template:Familytree|familytree]] template.</li><li>Have (if available) an "Other Versions of the Legendarium" section.</li><li>Have as many relevant templates (disambigs, see also's, navigation, pronounce) as possible.</li><li>Have language links if available.</li><li>Have a "Merchandise" section (for [[Decipher Cards]], [[Games Workshop]], chess pieces et cetera).</li></ul>|[[User:Ederchil]] at [[Tolkien Gateway talk:Featured articles]] on 22:08, 2 May 2009 (UTC)}}<br />
:::I'm broadly in agreement with the above, but I would add "location" to the list of acceptable topics and take out the requirement for a "Merchandise" section. My own proposals would look like this:-<br />
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:::#The text is ''entirely'' written by TG editors with correct English spelling, grammar and punctuation;<br />
:::#There are no outstanding [[:Category:Maintenance templates|maintenance templates]] on the article;<br />
:::#The article is well referenced throughout, leaving the reader under no illusions as to where to source information themselves;<br />
:::#The article conforms to TG's [[Tolkien Gateway:Manual of Style|Standards]], as well as those laid out in the relevant [[Tolkien Gateway:Projects|Project]];<br />
:::#The text is sprinkled with ''relevant'' [[Help:Images|images]] (including captions) of appropriate size - if necessary, including a gallery;<br />
:::#Articles are at least 5,000 bytes long (for comparison, that's the current revisions of [[Beorn]] or [[Tar-Aldarion]]);<br />
:::#Where applicable, contains "History", "Portrayal in Adaptations", "In Other Versions of the Legendarium", "See Also", "Genealogy", "Etymology" and "Bibliography" sections;<br />
:::#Where applicable, ''full use'' has been made of relevant templates, e.g.: [[:Category:Disambiguation and redirection templates|disambiguation]], [[Template:Seealso|see also]], [[Template:Main|main]], [[Template:Navigation|navigation]], [[Template:Pronounce|pronounce]], [[:Template:Familytree|familytree]];<br />
:::#Where applicable, contains interwiki links;<br />
:::#Preferably no red-links, but no more than half-a-dozen.<br />
:::For me, any article which can tick those boxes should be an FA (and is currently how I judge articles). --{{User:Mith/sig}} 14:18, 2 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::I like it. --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 17:16, 2 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Firstly, under "References" on [[Eriador]] is bibliographical information, not footnotes (perhaps we have been taught different things). Regardless, I like the criteria, yet it still seems too objective. --{{User:Breragor/sig}} 01:52, 3 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Well, there is a difference between a bibliography and footnotes. What were you taught footnotes are? --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 08:57, 3 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::I think that's irrelevant and that we should focus on the criteria, but Wikipedia says this:<br />
::::::::*As signposts to direct the reader to information the author has provided or where further useful information is pertaining to the subject in the main text.<br />
::::::::*To attribute to a quote or viewpoint.<br />
::::::::*As an alternative to parenthetical references; it is a simpler way to acknowledge information gained from another source.<br />
::::::::*To escape the limitations imposed on the word count of various academic and legal texts which do not take into account notes. Aggressive use of this strategy can lead the text to be seen as affected by what some people call "footnote disease".<br />
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::::::::I always held with the first point as "supreme", but there are multiple meanings.--{{User:Breragor/sig}} 01:53, 4 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::You seem to have a dangerous habit of telling people their answers are "irrelevant" when they answer you. I kindly ask that you cease this practice.<br />
:::::::::In any case, I'm not sure where you got your information from because [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:Manual of Style (footnotes)|Wikipedia:Footnotes]] follows the exact same practice that we follow: "''Wikipedia footnotes serve two purposes: to add explanatory material, particularly if the added information would be distracting if written out in the main article; or, to present citations to reliable sources that support assertions in the main article.''" If you go to the [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:Manual of Style (footnotes)#Separating reference lists and explanatory notes|"Advanced" section]] of the page, you see that they separate out "Notes" and "References" in the same way we do. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 10:22, 4 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::I will not be ceasing my "habit," Mith, because my definition of a footnote '''is''' irrelevant in this discussion and so is yours! This is about criteria, not the definition, so please don't worry about that and I will stop my "habit." Because, you see, now we are talking about our definitions and NOT about the criteria, so you can easily see how I would not want to go down this path. Thank you. --{{User:Breragor/sig}} 01:51, 5 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::That's irrelevant, let's talk about what you think footnotes are. --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 13:17, 5 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::That is so funny...--{{User:Breragor/sig}} 20:22, 5 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::::I know right, it's almost as funny as not knowing what footnotes are. --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 21:18, 5 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::::First of all, your definition of a footnote is surely crucial to your understanding of how to interpret the FA criteria.<br />
:::::::::::::Second, ''your'' tangential misunderstanding of a footnote has completely side-tracked this conversation.<br />
:::::::::::::Third, I shall take the criteria to a meeting, and we can vote on it there; you are free to attend a meeting to argue your case, of course (whatever you case actually is).--{{User:Mith/sig}} 14:19, 6 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::::::It's interesting how this site, with not very many active users, has users who don't want it to grow or better. You'd rather argue with me and try and get higher on your horse than just be nice and work and collaborate. You are making this an exclusive, and not very fun, place to be, so I can assure you I won't be returning. All the freinds I've told about it, they'll be told so too. Thank you all, and I hope you realize your ruining the future of this site. --{{User:Breragor/sig}} 18:28, 6 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::::::Considering that you haven't contributed ''anything'' to this site I won't lose much sleep over your dramatic departure. Bye old buddy! --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 18:35, 6 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::::::::I just love it, though - instead of wanting to help someone like me learn the site and all you just wanted to bash me and make fun of me. Congrats - you now have three active members on the site! You have scared everyone else off and this site is never gonna grow with people acting like you guys here!--{{User:Breragor/sig}} 19:06, 6 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::::::::Whenever you have asked for our help you scorned the advice and cast it off as 'irrelevant'. We've tried to help you but you really haven't contributed anything to this site. [[Special:Editcount/Breragor|You have 19 edits on the main part of the site]] and it took you [http://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Th%C3%A9odred&diff=73145&oldid=54364 10 of that to remove '<nowiki>{{stub}}</nowiki>' from Théodred]. If you want to make a meaningful contribution to this encyclopaedia then please do, otherwise what are you doing here? --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 19:19, 6 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::::::::::As I'm sure you have the history of ''every'' time I asked for help...--{{User:Breragor/sig}} 22:08, 6 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::::::::::Hi guys, it seems we've gotten a bit off track here from a valid discussion and forgotten the fact that we're all Tolkien fans helping to build a better encyclopedia. KingAragorn, I'm disappointed you would question the contributions of anyone willing to take the time to register and edit on the site. Breragor, I'm sure you understand sometimes statements can be taken as more aggressive than they are intended. Let's spend our time on more enjoyable things than arguing on the Internet. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 23:27, 6 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::::::::::::Let's not forget that Breragor took 'the time to register and edit on the site' to [[Forum:LOTR and Nations|recruit and advertise for a game he was in]]. --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 23:49, 6 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::::::::::::Boy, you really like to delve into my history on this site - you have waaaay too much free time. Sorry, bud. --{{User:Breragor/sig}} 00:53, 7 March 2011 (UTC)</div>Breragorhttps://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Breragor&diff=144710User talk:Breragor2011-03-07T00:51:52Z<p>Breragor: </p>
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== On the future of dictionary-style entries ==<br />
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There has been a recent heavy debate on this at [[Forum:Quenya declension template appearance]]. Since you have weighed on this before, could you weigh in now? - [[User:Gilgamesh|Gilgamesh]] 01:35, 15 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Meeting - Sunday 5th September ==<br />
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Hi, Breragor! Just a quick message to inform you that we are holding our next [[Tolkien Gateway:Meetings|Meeting]] on [[Tolkien Gateway:Meetings/5 September 2010|Sunday, 5<sup>th</sup> September 2010]] at 7pm [[wikipedia:UTC|UTC]]. Whether you are or aren't able to attend, please sign your name on the [[Tolkien Gateway talk:Meetings/5 September 2010|here]]. Hope to see you on Sunday! --{{User:Mith/sig}} 19:25, 30 August 2010 (UTC)</div>Breragorhttps://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Tolkien_Gateway_talk:Featured_articles/Nominations&diff=144633Tolkien Gateway talk:Featured articles/Nominations2011-03-06T22:08:58Z<p>Breragor: /* Criteria */</p>
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<div>== Nomination limits ==<br />
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Let's try to hold the nominations down to 2 or 3 at a time. Hyarion wants to concentrate on bringing more articles up to standards, and I agree.--[[User:Theoden1|Theoden1]] 16:17, 9 June 2008 (EDT)<br />
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== Criteria == <br />
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I think we should come up with better criteria for nominating an article. Some people have mentioned pictures, references, and sources as necessary components - I'll agree. Yet saying we cannot use [[J.R.R. Tolkien|this article]] becuase it has no footnotes, when the [[Eriador|Featured Article]] doesn't have any cannot work out. Can we establish a formal list of criteria? --{{User:Breragor/sig}} 00:53, 2 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:O.o [[Eriador#References|Eriador has 45 footnotes]]. But yes, I agree, it's a good idea to establish a list of criteria. --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 10:59, 2 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::I recall coming up with a list a year or so back, but I can't recall where it is. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 12:27, 2 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::{{blockquote|A FA must:<ul><li>Describe an important event, artifact or person, be it in the real-world or in Arda.</li><li>Have a limited amount of redlinks (5%?).</li><li>Have full sourcing.</li><li>Have some good images.</li><li>Have a bulk of text in the "History" section.</li><li>Have (if available) a full "Portrayal in Adaptations" section.</li><li>Have (if available) a full genealogy in the [[:Template:Familytree|familytree]] template.</li><li>Have (if available) an "Other Versions of the Legendarium" section.</li><li>Have as many relevant templates (disambigs, see also's, navigation, pronounce) as possible.</li><li>Have language links if available.</li><li>Have a "Merchandise" section (for [[Decipher Cards]], [[Games Workshop]], chess pieces et cetera).</li></ul>|[[User:Ederchil]] at [[Tolkien Gateway talk:Featured articles]] on 22:08, 2 May 2009 (UTC)}}<br />
:::I'm broadly in agreement with the above, but I would add "location" to the list of acceptable topics and take out the requirement for a "Merchandise" section. My own proposals would look like this:-<br />
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:::#The text is ''entirely'' written by TG editors with correct English spelling, grammar and punctuation;<br />
:::#There are no outstanding [[:Category:Maintenance templates|maintenance templates]] on the article;<br />
:::#The article is well referenced throughout, leaving the reader under no illusions as to where to source information themselves;<br />
:::#The article conforms to TG's [[Tolkien Gateway:Manual of Style|Standards]], as well as those laid out in the relevant [[Tolkien Gateway:Projects|Project]];<br />
:::#The text is sprinkled with ''relevant'' [[Help:Images|images]] (including captions) of appropriate size - if necessary, including a gallery;<br />
:::#Articles are at least 5,000 bytes long (for comparison, that's the current revisions of [[Beorn]] or [[Tar-Aldarion]]);<br />
:::#Where applicable, contains "History", "Portrayal in Adaptations", "In Other Versions of the Legendarium", "See Also", "Genealogy", "Etymology" and "Bibliography" sections;<br />
:::#Where applicable, ''full use'' has been made of relevant templates, e.g.: [[:Category:Disambiguation and redirection templates|disambiguation]], [[Template:Seealso|see also]], [[Template:Main|main]], [[Template:Navigation|navigation]], [[Template:Pronounce|pronounce]], [[:Template:Familytree|familytree]];<br />
:::#Where applicable, contains interwiki links;<br />
:::#Preferably no red-links, but no more than half-a-dozen.<br />
:::For me, any article which can tick those boxes should be an FA (and is currently how I judge articles). --{{User:Mith/sig}} 14:18, 2 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::I like it. --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 17:16, 2 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Firstly, under "References" on [[Eriador]] is bibliographical information, not footnotes (perhaps we have been taught different things). Regardless, I like the criteria, yet it still seems too objective. --{{User:Breragor/sig}} 01:52, 3 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Well, there is a difference between a bibliography and footnotes. What were you taught footnotes are? --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 08:57, 3 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::I think that's irrelevant and that we should focus on the criteria, but Wikipedia says this:<br />
::::::::*As signposts to direct the reader to information the author has provided or where further useful information is pertaining to the subject in the main text.<br />
::::::::*To attribute to a quote or viewpoint.<br />
::::::::*As an alternative to parenthetical references; it is a simpler way to acknowledge information gained from another source.<br />
::::::::*To escape the limitations imposed on the word count of various academic and legal texts which do not take into account notes. Aggressive use of this strategy can lead the text to be seen as affected by what some people call "footnote disease".<br />
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::::::::I always held with the first point as "supreme", but there are multiple meanings.--{{User:Breragor/sig}} 01:53, 4 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::You seem to have a dangerous habit of telling people their answers are "irrelevant" when they answer you. I kindly ask that you cease this practice.<br />
:::::::::In any case, I'm not sure where you got your information from because [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:Manual of Style (footnotes)|Wikipedia:Footnotes]] follows the exact same practice that we follow: "''Wikipedia footnotes serve two purposes: to add explanatory material, particularly if the added information would be distracting if written out in the main article; or, to present citations to reliable sources that support assertions in the main article.''" If you go to the [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:Manual of Style (footnotes)#Separating reference lists and explanatory notes|"Advanced" section]] of the page, you see that they separate out "Notes" and "References" in the same way we do. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 10:22, 4 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::I will not be ceasing my "habit," Mith, because my definition of a footnote '''is''' irrelevant in this discussion and so is yours! This is about criteria, not the definition, so please don't worry about that and I will stop my "habit." Because, you see, now we are talking about our definitions and NOT about the criteria, so you can easily see how I would not want to go down this path. Thank you. --{{User:Breragor/sig}} 01:51, 5 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::That's irrelevant, let's talk about what you think footnotes are. --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 13:17, 5 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::That is so funny...--{{User:Breragor/sig}} 20:22, 5 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::::I know right, it's almost as funny as not knowing what footnotes are. --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 21:18, 5 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::::First of all, your definition of a footnote is surely crucial to your understanding of how to interpret the FA criteria.<br />
:::::::::::::Second, ''your'' tangential misunderstanding of a footnote has completely side-tracked this conversation.<br />
:::::::::::::Third, I shall take the criteria to a meeting, and we can vote on it there; you are free to attend a meeting to argue your case, of course (whatever you case actually is).--{{User:Mith/sig}} 14:19, 6 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::::::It's interesting how this site, with not very many active users, has users who don't want it to grow or better. You'd rather argue with me and try and get higher on your horse than just be nice and work and collaborate. You are making this an exclusive, and not very fun, place to be, so I can assure you I won't be returning. All the freinds I've told about it, they'll be told so too. Thank you all, and I hope you realize your ruining the future of this site. --{{User:Breragor/sig}} 18:28, 6 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::::::Considering that you haven't contributed ''anything'' to this site I won't lose much sleep over your dramatic departure. Bye old buddy! --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 18:35, 6 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::::::::I just love it, though - instead of wanting to help someone like me learn the site and all you just wanted to bash me and make fun of me. Congrats - you now have three active members on the site! You have scared everyone else off and this site is never gonna grow with people acting like you guys here!--{{User:Breragor/sig}} 19:06, 6 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::::::::Whenever you have asked for our help you scorned the advice and cast it off as 'irrelevant'. We've tried to help you but you really haven't contributed anything to this site. [[Special:Editcount/Breragor|You have 19 edits on the main part of the site]] and it took you [http://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Th%C3%A9odred&diff=73145&oldid=54364 10 of that to remove '<nowiki>{{stub}}</nowiki>' from Théodred]. If you want to make a meaningful contribution to this encyclopaedia then please do, otherwise what are you doing here? --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 19:19, 6 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::::::::::As I'm sure you have the history of ''every'' time I asked for help...--{{User:Breragor/sig}} 22:08, 6 March 2011 (UTC)</div>Breragorhttps://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Breragor&diff=144632User talk:Breragor2011-03-06T22:07:50Z<p>Breragor: /* Signatures */</p>
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== On the future of dictionary-style entries ==<br />
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There has been a recent heavy debate on this at [[Forum:Quenya declension template appearance]]. Since you have weighed on this before, could you weigh in now? - [[User:Gilgamesh|Gilgamesh]] 01:35, 15 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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== Meeting - Sunday 5th September ==<br />
<br />
Hi, Breragor! Just a quick message to inform you that we are holding our next [[Tolkien Gateway:Meetings|Meeting]] on [[Tolkien Gateway:Meetings/5 September 2010|Sunday, 5<sup>th</sup> September 2010]] at 7pm [[wikipedia:UTC|UTC]]. Whether you are or aren't able to attend, please sign your name on the [[Tolkien Gateway talk:Meetings/5 September 2010|here]]. Hope to see you on Sunday! --{{User:Mith/sig}} 19:25, 30 August 2010 (UTC)</div>Breragorhttps://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Tolkien_Gateway_talk:Featured_articles/Nominations&diff=144623Tolkien Gateway talk:Featured articles/Nominations2011-03-06T19:06:01Z<p>Breragor: </p>
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<div>== Nomination limits ==<br />
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Let's try to hold the nominations down to 2 or 3 at a time. Hyarion wants to concentrate on bringing more articles up to standards, and I agree.--[[User:Theoden1|Theoden1]] 16:17, 9 June 2008 (EDT)<br />
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== Criteria == <br />
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I think we should come up with better criteria for nominating an article. Some people have mentioned pictures, references, and sources as necessary components - I'll agree. Yet saying we cannot use [[J.R.R. Tolkien|this article]] becuase it has no footnotes, when the [[Eriador|Featured Article]] doesn't have any cannot work out. Can we establish a formal list of criteria? --{{User:Breragor/sig}} 00:53, 2 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:O.o [[Eriador#References|Eriador has 45 footnotes]]. But yes, I agree, it's a good idea to establish a list of criteria. --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 10:59, 2 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::I recall coming up with a list a year or so back, but I can't recall where it is. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 12:27, 2 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::{{blockquote|A FA must:<ul><li>Describe an important event, artifact or person, be it in the real-world or in Arda.</li><li>Have a limited amount of redlinks (5%?).</li><li>Have full sourcing.</li><li>Have some good images.</li><li>Have a bulk of text in the "History" section.</li><li>Have (if available) a full "Portrayal in Adaptations" section.</li><li>Have (if available) a full genealogy in the [[:Template:Familytree|familytree]] template.</li><li>Have (if available) an "Other Versions of the Legendarium" section.</li><li>Have as many relevant templates (disambigs, see also's, navigation, pronounce) as possible.</li><li>Have language links if available.</li><li>Have a "Merchandise" section (for [[Decipher Cards]], [[Games Workshop]], chess pieces et cetera).</li></ul>|[[User:Ederchil]] at [[Tolkien Gateway talk:Featured articles]] on 22:08, 2 May 2009 (UTC)}}<br />
:::I'm broadly in agreement with the above, but I would add "location" to the list of acceptable topics and take out the requirement for a "Merchandise" section. My own proposals would look like this:-<br />
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:::#The text is ''entirely'' written by TG editors with correct English spelling, grammar and punctuation;<br />
:::#There are no outstanding [[:Category:Maintenance templates|maintenance templates]] on the article;<br />
:::#The article is well referenced throughout, leaving the reader under no illusions as to where to source information themselves;<br />
:::#The article conforms to TG's [[Tolkien Gateway:Manual of Style|Standards]], as well as those laid out in the relevant [[Tolkien Gateway:Projects|Project]];<br />
:::#The text is sprinkled with ''relevant'' [[Help:Images|images]] (including captions) of appropriate size - if necessary, including a gallery;<br />
:::#Articles are at least 5,000 bytes long (for comparison, that's the current revisions of [[Beorn]] or [[Tar-Aldarion]]);<br />
:::#Where applicable, contains "History", "Portrayal in Adaptations", "In Other Versions of the Legendarium", "See Also", "Genealogy", "Etymology" and "Bibliography" sections;<br />
:::#Where applicable, ''full use'' has been made of relevant templates, e.g.: [[:Category:Disambiguation and redirection templates|disambiguation]], [[Template:Seealso|see also]], [[Template:Main|main]], [[Template:Navigation|navigation]], [[Template:Pronounce|pronounce]], [[:Template:Familytree|familytree]];<br />
:::#Where applicable, contains interwiki links;<br />
:::#Preferably no red-links, but no more than half-a-dozen.<br />
:::For me, any article which can tick those boxes should be an FA (and is currently how I judge articles). --{{User:Mith/sig}} 14:18, 2 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::I like it. --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 17:16, 2 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Firstly, under "References" on [[Eriador]] is bibliographical information, not footnotes (perhaps we have been taught different things). Regardless, I like the criteria, yet it still seems too objective. --{{User:Breragor/sig}} 01:52, 3 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Well, there is a difference between a bibliography and footnotes. What were you taught footnotes are? --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 08:57, 3 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::I think that's irrelevant and that we should focus on the criteria, but Wikipedia says this:<br />
::::::::*As signposts to direct the reader to information the author has provided or where further useful information is pertaining to the subject in the main text.<br />
::::::::*To attribute to a quote or viewpoint.<br />
::::::::*As an alternative to parenthetical references; it is a simpler way to acknowledge information gained from another source.<br />
::::::::*To escape the limitations imposed on the word count of various academic and legal texts which do not take into account notes. Aggressive use of this strategy can lead the text to be seen as affected by what some people call "footnote disease".<br />
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::::::::I always held with the first point as "supreme", but there are multiple meanings.--{{User:Breragor/sig}} 01:53, 4 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::You seem to have a dangerous habit of telling people their answers are "irrelevant" when they answer you. I kindly ask that you cease this practice.<br />
:::::::::In any case, I'm not sure where you got your information from because [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:Manual of Style (footnotes)|Wikipedia:Footnotes]] follows the exact same practice that we follow: "''Wikipedia footnotes serve two purposes: to add explanatory material, particularly if the added information would be distracting if written out in the main article; or, to present citations to reliable sources that support assertions in the main article.''" If you go to the [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:Manual of Style (footnotes)#Separating reference lists and explanatory notes|"Advanced" section]] of the page, you see that they separate out "Notes" and "References" in the same way we do. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 10:22, 4 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::I will not be ceasing my "habit," Mith, because my definition of a footnote '''is''' irrelevant in this discussion and so is yours! This is about criteria, not the definition, so please don't worry about that and I will stop my "habit." Because, you see, now we are talking about our definitions and NOT about the criteria, so you can easily see how I would not want to go down this path. Thank you. --{{User:Breragor/sig}} 01:51, 5 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::That's irrelevant, let's talk about what you think footnotes are. --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 13:17, 5 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::That is so funny...--{{User:Breragor/sig}} 20:22, 5 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::::I know right, it's almost as funny as not knowing what footnotes are. --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 21:18, 5 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::::First of all, your definition of a footnote is surely crucial to your understanding of how to interpret the FA criteria.<br />
:::::::::::::Second, ''your'' tangential misunderstanding of a footnote has completely side-tracked this conversation.<br />
:::::::::::::Third, I shall take the criteria to a meeting, and we can vote on it there; you are free to attend a meeting to argue your case, of course (whatever you case actually is).--{{User:Mith/sig}} 14:19, 6 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::::::It's interesting how this site, with not very many active users, has users who don't want it to grow or better. You'd rather argue with me and try and get higher on your horse than just be nice and work and collaborate. You are making this an exclusive, and not very fun, place to be, so I can assure you I won't be returning. All the freinds I've told about it, they'll be told so too. Thank you all, and I hope you realize your ruining the future of this site. --{{User:Breragor/sig}} 18:28, 6 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::::::Considering that you haven't contributed ''anything'' to this site I won't lose much sleep over your dramatic departure. Bye old buddy! --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 18:35, 6 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::::::::I just love it, though - instead of wanting to help someone like me learn the site and all you just wanted to bash me and make fun of me. Congrats - you now have three active members on the site! You have scared everyone else off and this site is never gonna grow with people acting like you guys here!--{{User:Breragor/sig}} 19:06, 6 March 2011 (UTC)</div>Breragorhttps://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Breragor&diff=144622User talk:Breragor2011-03-06T19:04:32Z<p>Breragor: /* Signatures */</p>
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== On the future of dictionary-style entries ==<br />
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There has been a recent heavy debate on this at [[Forum:Quenya declension template appearance]]. Since you have weighed on this before, could you weigh in now? - [[User:Gilgamesh|Gilgamesh]] 01:35, 15 February 2010 (UTC)<br />
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Hi, Breragor! Just a quick message to inform you that we are holding our next [[Tolkien Gateway:Meetings|Meeting]] on [[Tolkien Gateway:Meetings/5 September 2010|Sunday, 5<sup>th</sup> September 2010]] at 7pm [[wikipedia:UTC|UTC]]. Whether you are or aren't able to attend, please sign your name on the [[Tolkien Gateway talk:Meetings/5 September 2010|here]]. Hope to see you on Sunday! --{{User:Mith/sig}} 19:25, 30 August 2010 (UTC)</div>Breragorhttps://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Tolkien_Gateway_talk:Featured_articles/Nominations&diff=144615Tolkien Gateway talk:Featured articles/Nominations2011-03-06T18:28:25Z<p>Breragor: /* Criteria */</p>
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Let's try to hold the nominations down to 2 or 3 at a time. Hyarion wants to concentrate on bringing more articles up to standards, and I agree.--[[User:Theoden1|Theoden1]] 16:17, 9 June 2008 (EDT)<br />
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== Criteria == <br />
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I think we should come up with better criteria for nominating an article. Some people have mentioned pictures, references, and sources as necessary components - I'll agree. Yet saying we cannot use [[J.R.R. Tolkien|this article]] becuase it has no footnotes, when the [[Eriador|Featured Article]] doesn't have any cannot work out. Can we establish a formal list of criteria? --{{User:Breragor/sig}} 00:53, 2 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:O.o [[Eriador#References|Eriador has 45 footnotes]]. But yes, I agree, it's a good idea to establish a list of criteria. --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 10:59, 2 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::I recall coming up with a list a year or so back, but I can't recall where it is. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 12:27, 2 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::{{blockquote|A FA must:<ul><li>Describe an important event, artifact or person, be it in the real-world or in Arda.</li><li>Have a limited amount of redlinks (5%?).</li><li>Have full sourcing.</li><li>Have some good images.</li><li>Have a bulk of text in the "History" section.</li><li>Have (if available) a full "Portrayal in Adaptations" section.</li><li>Have (if available) a full genealogy in the [[:Template:Familytree|familytree]] template.</li><li>Have (if available) an "Other Versions of the Legendarium" section.</li><li>Have as many relevant templates (disambigs, see also's, navigation, pronounce) as possible.</li><li>Have language links if available.</li><li>Have a "Merchandise" section (for [[Decipher Cards]], [[Games Workshop]], chess pieces et cetera).</li></ul>|[[User:Ederchil]] at [[Tolkien Gateway talk:Featured articles]] on 22:08, 2 May 2009 (UTC)}}<br />
:::I'm broadly in agreement with the above, but I would add "location" to the list of acceptable topics and take out the requirement for a "Merchandise" section. My own proposals would look like this:-<br />
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:::#The text is ''entirely'' written by TG editors with correct English spelling, grammar and punctuation;<br />
:::#There are no outstanding [[:Category:Maintenance templates|maintenance templates]] on the article;<br />
:::#The article is well referenced throughout, leaving the reader under no illusions as to where to source information themselves;<br />
:::#The article conforms to TG's [[Tolkien Gateway:Manual of Style|Standards]], as well as those laid out in the relevant [[Tolkien Gateway:Projects|Project]];<br />
:::#The text is sprinkled with ''relevant'' [[Help:Images|images]] (including captions) of appropriate size - if necessary, including a gallery;<br />
:::#Articles are at least 5,000 bytes long (for comparison, that's the current revisions of [[Beorn]] or [[Tar-Aldarion]]);<br />
:::#Where applicable, contains "History", "Portrayal in Adaptations", "In Other Versions of the Legendarium", "See Also", "Genealogy", "Etymology" and "Bibliography" sections;<br />
:::#Where applicable, ''full use'' has been made of relevant templates, e.g.: [[:Category:Disambiguation and redirection templates|disambiguation]], [[Template:Seealso|see also]], [[Template:Main|main]], [[Template:Navigation|navigation]], [[Template:Pronounce|pronounce]], [[:Template:Familytree|familytree]];<br />
:::#Where applicable, contains interwiki links;<br />
:::#Preferably no red-links, but no more than half-a-dozen.<br />
:::For me, any article which can tick those boxes should be an FA (and is currently how I judge articles). --{{User:Mith/sig}} 14:18, 2 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::I like it. --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 17:16, 2 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Firstly, under "References" on [[Eriador]] is bibliographical information, not footnotes (perhaps we have been taught different things). Regardless, I like the criteria, yet it still seems too objective. --{{User:Breragor/sig}} 01:52, 3 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Well, there is a difference between a bibliography and footnotes. What were you taught footnotes are? --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 08:57, 3 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::I think that's irrelevant and that we should focus on the criteria, but Wikipedia says this:<br />
::::::::*As signposts to direct the reader to information the author has provided or where further useful information is pertaining to the subject in the main text.<br />
::::::::*To attribute to a quote or viewpoint.<br />
::::::::*As an alternative to parenthetical references; it is a simpler way to acknowledge information gained from another source.<br />
::::::::*To escape the limitations imposed on the word count of various academic and legal texts which do not take into account notes. Aggressive use of this strategy can lead the text to be seen as affected by what some people call "footnote disease".<br />
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::::::::I always held with the first point as "supreme", but there are multiple meanings.--{{User:Breragor/sig}} 01:53, 4 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::You seem to have a dangerous habit of telling people their answers are "irrelevant" when they answer you. I kindly ask that you cease this practice.<br />
:::::::::In any case, I'm not sure where you got your information from because [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:Manual of Style (footnotes)|Wikipedia:Footnotes]] follows the exact same practice that we follow: "''Wikipedia footnotes serve two purposes: to add explanatory material, particularly if the added information would be distracting if written out in the main article; or, to present citations to reliable sources that support assertions in the main article.''" If you go to the [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:Manual of Style (footnotes)#Separating reference lists and explanatory notes|"Advanced" section]] of the page, you see that they separate out "Notes" and "References" in the same way we do. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 10:22, 4 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::I will not be ceasing my "habit," Mith, because my definition of a footnote '''is''' irrelevant in this discussion and so is yours! This is about criteria, not the definition, so please don't worry about that and I will stop my "habit." Because, you see, now we are talking about our definitions and NOT about the criteria, so you can easily see how I would not want to go down this path. Thank you. --{{User:Breragor/sig}} 01:51, 5 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::That's irrelevant, let's talk about what you think footnotes are. --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 13:17, 5 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::That is so funny...--{{User:Breragor/sig}} 20:22, 5 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::::I know right, it's almost as funny as not knowing what footnotes are. --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 21:18, 5 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::::First of all, your definition of a footnote is surely crucial to your understanding of how to interpret the FA criteria.<br />
:::::::::::::Second, ''your'' tangential misunderstanding of a footnote has completely side-tracked this conversation.<br />
:::::::::::::Third, I shall take the criteria to a meeting, and we can vote on it there; you are free to attend a meeting to argue your case, of course (whatever you case actually is).--{{User:Mith/sig}} 14:19, 6 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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It's interesting how this site, with not very many active users, has users who don't want it to grow or better. You'd rather argue with me and try and get higher on your horse than just be nice and work and collaborate. You are making this an exclusive, and not very fun, place to be, so I can assure you I won't be returning. All the freinds I've told about it, they'll be told so too. Thank you all, and I hope you realize your ruining the future of this site. --{{User:Breragor/sig}} 18:28, 6 March 2011 (UTC)</div>Breragorhttps://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Tolkien_Gateway_talk:Featured_articles/Nominations&diff=144614Tolkien Gateway talk:Featured articles/Nominations2011-03-06T18:28:06Z<p>Breragor: /* Criteria */</p>
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<div>== Nomination limits ==<br />
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Let's try to hold the nominations down to 2 or 3 at a time. Hyarion wants to concentrate on bringing more articles up to standards, and I agree.--[[User:Theoden1|Theoden1]] 16:17, 9 June 2008 (EDT)<br />
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== Criteria == <br />
<br />
I think we should come up with better criteria for nominating an article. Some people have mentioned pictures, references, and sources as necessary components - I'll agree. Yet saying we cannot use [[J.R.R. Tolkien|this article]] becuase it has no footnotes, when the [[Eriador|Featured Article]] doesn't have any cannot work out. Can we establish a formal list of criteria? --{{User:Breragor/sig}} 00:53, 2 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:O.o [[Eriador#References|Eriador has 45 footnotes]]. But yes, I agree, it's a good idea to establish a list of criteria. --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 10:59, 2 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::I recall coming up with a list a year or so back, but I can't recall where it is. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 12:27, 2 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::{{blockquote|A FA must:<ul><li>Describe an important event, artifact or person, be it in the real-world or in Arda.</li><li>Have a limited amount of redlinks (5%?).</li><li>Have full sourcing.</li><li>Have some good images.</li><li>Have a bulk of text in the "History" section.</li><li>Have (if available) a full "Portrayal in Adaptations" section.</li><li>Have (if available) a full genealogy in the [[:Template:Familytree|familytree]] template.</li><li>Have (if available) an "Other Versions of the Legendarium" section.</li><li>Have as many relevant templates (disambigs, see also's, navigation, pronounce) as possible.</li><li>Have language links if available.</li><li>Have a "Merchandise" section (for [[Decipher Cards]], [[Games Workshop]], chess pieces et cetera).</li></ul>|[[User:Ederchil]] at [[Tolkien Gateway talk:Featured articles]] on 22:08, 2 May 2009 (UTC)}}<br />
:::I'm broadly in agreement with the above, but I would add "location" to the list of acceptable topics and take out the requirement for a "Merchandise" section. My own proposals would look like this:-<br />
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:::#The text is ''entirely'' written by TG editors with correct English spelling, grammar and punctuation;<br />
:::#There are no outstanding [[:Category:Maintenance templates|maintenance templates]] on the article;<br />
:::#The article is well referenced throughout, leaving the reader under no illusions as to where to source information themselves;<br />
:::#The article conforms to TG's [[Tolkien Gateway:Manual of Style|Standards]], as well as those laid out in the relevant [[Tolkien Gateway:Projects|Project]];<br />
:::#The text is sprinkled with ''relevant'' [[Help:Images|images]] (including captions) of appropriate size - if necessary, including a gallery;<br />
:::#Articles are at least 5,000 bytes long (for comparison, that's the current revisions of [[Beorn]] or [[Tar-Aldarion]]);<br />
:::#Where applicable, contains "History", "Portrayal in Adaptations", "In Other Versions of the Legendarium", "See Also", "Genealogy", "Etymology" and "Bibliography" sections;<br />
:::#Where applicable, ''full use'' has been made of relevant templates, e.g.: [[:Category:Disambiguation and redirection templates|disambiguation]], [[Template:Seealso|see also]], [[Template:Main|main]], [[Template:Navigation|navigation]], [[Template:Pronounce|pronounce]], [[:Template:Familytree|familytree]];<br />
:::#Where applicable, contains interwiki links;<br />
:::#Preferably no red-links, but no more than half-a-dozen.<br />
:::For me, any article which can tick those boxes should be an FA (and is currently how I judge articles). --{{User:Mith/sig}} 14:18, 2 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::I like it. --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 17:16, 2 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Firstly, under "References" on [[Eriador]] is bibliographical information, not footnotes (perhaps we have been taught different things). Regardless, I like the criteria, yet it still seems too objective. --{{User:Breragor/sig}} 01:52, 3 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Well, there is a difference between a bibliography and footnotes. What were you taught footnotes are? --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 08:57, 3 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:::::::I think that's irrelevant and that we should focus on the criteria, but Wikipedia says this:<br />
::::::::*As signposts to direct the reader to information the author has provided or where further useful information is pertaining to the subject in the main text.<br />
::::::::*To attribute to a quote or viewpoint.<br />
::::::::*As an alternative to parenthetical references; it is a simpler way to acknowledge information gained from another source.<br />
::::::::*To escape the limitations imposed on the word count of various academic and legal texts which do not take into account notes. Aggressive use of this strategy can lead the text to be seen as affected by what some people call "footnote disease".<br />
<br />
::::::::I always held with the first point as "supreme", but there are multiple meanings.--{{User:Breragor/sig}} 01:53, 4 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:::::::::You seem to have a dangerous habit of telling people their answers are "irrelevant" when they answer you. I kindly ask that you cease this practice.<br />
:::::::::In any case, I'm not sure where you got your information from because [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:Manual of Style (footnotes)|Wikipedia:Footnotes]] follows the exact same practice that we follow: "''Wikipedia footnotes serve two purposes: to add explanatory material, particularly if the added information would be distracting if written out in the main article; or, to present citations to reliable sources that support assertions in the main article.''" If you go to the [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:Manual of Style (footnotes)#Separating reference lists and explanatory notes|"Advanced" section]] of the page, you see that they separate out "Notes" and "References" in the same way we do. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 10:22, 4 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::I will not be ceasing my "habit," Mith, because my definition of a footnote '''is''' irrelevant in this discussion and so is yours! This is about criteria, not the definition, so please don't worry about that and I will stop my "habit." Because, you see, now we are talking about our definitions and NOT about the criteria, so you can easily see how I would not want to go down this path. Thank you. --{{User:Breragor/sig}} 01:51, 5 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::That's irrelevant, let's talk about what you think footnotes are. --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 13:17, 5 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::That is so funny...--{{User:Breragor/sig}} 20:22, 5 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::::I know right, it's almost as funny as not knowing what footnotes are. --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 21:18, 5 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:::::::::::::First of all, your definition of a footnote is surely crucial to your understanding of how to interpret the FA criteria.<br />
:::::::::::::Second, ''your'' tangential misunderstanding of a footnote has completely side-tracked this conversation.<br />
:::::::::::::Third, I shall take the criteria to a meeting, and we can vote on it there; you are free to attend a meeting to argue your case, of course (whatever you case actually is).--{{User:Mith/sig}} 14:19, 6 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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It's interesting how this site, with not very many active users, has users who don't want it to grow or better. You'd rather argue with me and try and get higher on your horse than just be nice and work and collaborate. You are making this an exclusive, and not very fun, place to be, so I can assure you I won't be returning. All the freinds I've told about it, they'll be told so too. Thank you all, and I hope you realize your ruining the future of this site.</div>Breragorhttps://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Tolkien_Gateway_talk:Featured_articles/Nominations&diff=144568Tolkien Gateway talk:Featured articles/Nominations2011-03-05T20:22:33Z<p>Breragor: /* Criteria */</p>
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<div>== Nomination limits ==<br />
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Let's try to hold the nominations down to 2 or 3 at a time. Hyarion wants to concentrate on bringing more articles up to standards, and I agree.--[[User:Theoden1|Theoden1]] 16:17, 9 June 2008 (EDT)<br />
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== Criteria == <br />
<br />
I think we should come up with better criteria for nominating an article. Some people have mentioned pictures, references, and sources as necessary components - I'll agree. Yet saying we cannot use [[J.R.R. Tolkien|this article]] becuase it has no footnotes, when the [[Eriador|Featured Article]] doesn't have any cannot work out. Can we establish a formal list of criteria? --{{User:Breragor/sig}} 00:53, 2 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:O.o [[Eriador#References|Eriador has 45 footnotes]]. But yes, I agree, it's a good idea to establish a list of criteria. --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 10:59, 2 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
<br />
::I recall coming up with a list a year or so back, but I can't recall where it is. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 12:27, 2 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::{{blockquote|A FA must:<ul><li>Describe an important event, artifact or person, be it in the real-world or in Arda.</li><li>Have a limited amount of redlinks (5%?).</li><li>Have full sourcing.</li><li>Have some good images.</li><li>Have a bulk of text in the "History" section.</li><li>Have (if available) a full "Portrayal in Adaptations" section.</li><li>Have (if available) a full genealogy in the [[:Template:Familytree|familytree]] template.</li><li>Have (if available) an "Other Versions of the Legendarium" section.</li><li>Have as many relevant templates (disambigs, see also's, navigation, pronounce) as possible.</li><li>Have language links if available.</li><li>Have a "Merchandise" section (for [[Decipher Cards]], [[Games Workshop]], chess pieces et cetera).</li></ul>|[[User:Ederchil]] at [[Tolkien Gateway talk:Featured articles]] on 22:08, 2 May 2009 (UTC)}}<br />
:::I'm broadly in agreement with the above, but I would add "location" to the list of acceptable topics and take out the requirement for a "Merchandise" section. My own proposals would look like this:-<br />
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:::#The text is ''entirely'' written by TG editors with correct English spelling, grammar and punctuation;<br />
:::#There are no outstanding [[:Category:Maintenance templates|maintenance templates]] on the article;<br />
:::#The article is well referenced throughout, leaving the reader under no illusions as to where to source information themselves;<br />
:::#The article conforms to TG's [[Tolkien Gateway:Manual of Style|Standards]], as well as those laid out in the relevant [[Tolkien Gateway:Projects|Project]];<br />
:::#The text is sprinkled with ''relevant'' [[Help:Images|images]] (including captions) of appropriate size - if necessary, including a gallery;<br />
:::#Articles are at least 5,000 bytes long (for comparison, that's the current revisions of [[Beorn]] or [[Tar-Aldarion]]);<br />
:::#Where applicable, contains "History", "Portrayal in Adaptations", "In Other Versions of the Legendarium", "See Also", "Genealogy", "Etymology" and "Bibliography" sections;<br />
:::#Where applicable, ''full use'' has been made of relevant templates, e.g.: [[:Category:Disambiguation and redirection templates|disambiguation]], [[Template:Seealso|see also]], [[Template:Main|main]], [[Template:Navigation|navigation]], [[Template:Pronounce|pronounce]], [[:Template:Familytree|familytree]];<br />
:::#Where applicable, contains interwiki links;<br />
:::#Preferably no red-links, but no more than half-a-dozen.<br />
:::For me, any article which can tick those boxes should be an FA (and is currently how I judge articles). --{{User:Mith/sig}} 14:18, 2 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::I like it. --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 17:16, 2 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Firstly, under "References" on [[Eriador]] is bibliographical information, not footnotes (perhaps we have been taught different things). Regardless, I like the criteria, yet it still seems too objective. --{{User:Breragor/sig}} 01:52, 3 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Well, there is a difference between a bibliography and footnotes. What were you taught footnotes are? --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 08:57, 3 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::I think that's irrelevant and that we should focus on the criteria, but Wikipedia says this:<br />
::::::::*As signposts to direct the reader to information the author has provided or where further useful information is pertaining to the subject in the main text.<br />
::::::::*To attribute to a quote or viewpoint.<br />
::::::::*As an alternative to parenthetical references; it is a simpler way to acknowledge information gained from another source.<br />
::::::::*To escape the limitations imposed on the word count of various academic and legal texts which do not take into account notes. Aggressive use of this strategy can lead the text to be seen as affected by what some people call "footnote disease".<br />
<br />
::::::::I always held with the first point as "supreme", but there are multiple meanings.--{{User:Breragor/sig}} 01:53, 4 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::You seem to have a dangerous habit of telling people their answers are "irrelevant" when they answer you. I kindly ask that you cease this practice.<br />
:::::::::In any case, I'm not sure where you got your information from because [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:Manual of Style (footnotes)|Wikipedia:Footnotes]] follows the exact same practice that we follow: "''Wikipedia footnotes serve two purposes: to add explanatory material, particularly if the added information would be distracting if written out in the main article; or, to present citations to reliable sources that support assertions in the main article.''" If you go to the [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:Manual of Style (footnotes)#Separating reference lists and explanatory notes|"Advanced" section]] of the page, you see that they separate out "Notes" and "References" in the same way we do. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 10:22, 4 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::I will not be ceasing my "habit," Mith, because my definition of a footnote '''is''' irrelevant in this discussion and so is yours! This is about criteria, not the definition, so please don't worry about that and I will stop my "habit." Because, you see, now we are talking about our definitions and NOT about the criteria, so you can easily see how I would not want to go down this path. Thank you. --{{User:Breragor/sig}} 01:51, 5 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::::::::That's irrelevant, let's talk about what you think footnotes are. --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 13:17, 5 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::::That is so funny...--{{User:Breragor/sig}} 20:22, 5 March 2011 (UTC)</div>Breragorhttps://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Tolkien_Gateway_talk:Featured_articles/Nominations&diff=144514Tolkien Gateway talk:Featured articles/Nominations2011-03-05T01:51:53Z<p>Breragor: /* Criteria */</p>
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<div>== Nomination limits ==<br />
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Let's try to hold the nominations down to 2 or 3 at a time. Hyarion wants to concentrate on bringing more articles up to standards, and I agree.--[[User:Theoden1|Theoden1]] 16:17, 9 June 2008 (EDT)<br />
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== Criteria == <br />
<br />
I think we should come up with better criteria for nominating an article. Some people have mentioned pictures, references, and sources as necessary components - I'll agree. Yet saying we cannot use [[J.R.R. Tolkien|this article]] becuase it has no footnotes, when the [[Eriador|Featured Article]] doesn't have any cannot work out. Can we establish a formal list of criteria? --{{User:Breragor/sig}} 00:53, 2 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:O.o [[Eriador#References|Eriador has 45 footnotes]]. But yes, I agree, it's a good idea to establish a list of criteria. --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 10:59, 2 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::I recall coming up with a list a year or so back, but I can't recall where it is. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 12:27, 2 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::{{blockquote|A FA must:<ul><li>Describe an important event, artifact or person, be it in the real-world or in Arda.</li><li>Have a limited amount of redlinks (5%?).</li><li>Have full sourcing.</li><li>Have some good images.</li><li>Have a bulk of text in the "History" section.</li><li>Have (if available) a full "Portrayal in Adaptations" section.</li><li>Have (if available) a full genealogy in the [[:Template:Familytree|familytree]] template.</li><li>Have (if available) an "Other Versions of the Legendarium" section.</li><li>Have as many relevant templates (disambigs, see also's, navigation, pronounce) as possible.</li><li>Have language links if available.</li><li>Have a "Merchandise" section (for [[Decipher Cards]], [[Games Workshop]], chess pieces et cetera).</li></ul>|[[User:Ederchil]] at [[Tolkien Gateway talk:Featured articles]] on 22:08, 2 May 2009 (UTC)}}<br />
:::I'm broadly in agreement with the above, but I would add "location" to the list of acceptable topics and take out the requirement for a "Merchandise" section. My own proposals would look like this:-<br />
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:::#The text is ''entirely'' written by TG editors with correct English spelling, grammar and punctuation;<br />
:::#There are no outstanding [[:Category:Maintenance templates|maintenance templates]] on the article;<br />
:::#The article is well referenced throughout, leaving the reader under no illusions as to where to source information themselves;<br />
:::#The article conforms to TG's [[Tolkien Gateway:Manual of Style|Standards]], as well as those laid out in the relevant [[Tolkien Gateway:Projects|Project]];<br />
:::#The text is sprinkled with ''relevant'' [[Help:Images|images]] (including captions) of appropriate size - if necessary, including a gallery;<br />
:::#Articles are at least 5,000 bytes long (for comparison, that's the current revisions of [[Beorn]] or [[Tar-Aldarion]]);<br />
:::#Where applicable, contains "History", "Portrayal in Adaptations", "In Other Versions of the Legendarium", "See Also", "Genealogy", "Etymology" and "Bibliography" sections;<br />
:::#Where applicable, ''full use'' has been made of relevant templates, e.g.: [[:Category:Disambiguation and redirection templates|disambiguation]], [[Template:Seealso|see also]], [[Template:Main|main]], [[Template:Navigation|navigation]], [[Template:Pronounce|pronounce]], [[:Template:Familytree|familytree]];<br />
:::#Where applicable, contains interwiki links;<br />
:::#Preferably no red-links, but no more than half-a-dozen.<br />
:::For me, any article which can tick those boxes should be an FA (and is currently how I judge articles). --{{User:Mith/sig}} 14:18, 2 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
<br />
::::I like it. --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 17:16, 2 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:::::Firstly, under "References" on [[Eriador]] is bibliographical information, not footnotes (perhaps we have been taught different things). Regardless, I like the criteria, yet it still seems too objective. --{{User:Breragor/sig}} 01:52, 3 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
<br />
::::::Well, there is a difference between a bibliography and footnotes. What were you taught footnotes are? --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 08:57, 3 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:::::::I think that's irrelevant and that we should focus on the criteria, but Wikipedia says this:<br />
::::::::*As signposts to direct the reader to information the author has provided or where further useful information is pertaining to the subject in the main text.<br />
::::::::*To attribute to a quote or viewpoint.<br />
::::::::*As an alternative to parenthetical references; it is a simpler way to acknowledge information gained from another source.<br />
::::::::*To escape the limitations imposed on the word count of various academic and legal texts which do not take into account notes. Aggressive use of this strategy can lead the text to be seen as affected by what some people call "footnote disease".<br />
<br />
::::::::I always held with the first point as "supreme", but there are multiple meanings.--{{User:Breragor/sig}} 01:53, 4 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:::::::::You seem to have a dangerous habit of telling people their answers are "irrelevant" when they answer you. I kindly ask that you cease this practice.<br />
:::::::::In any case, I'm not sure where you got your information from because [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:Manual of Style (footnotes)|Wikipedia:Footnotes]] follows the exact same practice that we follow: "''Wikipedia footnotes serve two purposes: to add explanatory material, particularly if the added information would be distracting if written out in the main article; or, to present citations to reliable sources that support assertions in the main article.''" If you go to the [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:Manual of Style (footnotes)#Separating reference lists and explanatory notes|"Advanced" section]] of the page, you see that they separate out "Notes" and "References" in the same way we do. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 10:22, 4 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::::::::I will not be ceasing my "habit," Mith, because my definition of a footnote '''is''' irrelevant in this discussion and so is yours! This is about criteria, not the definition, so please don't worry about that and I will stop my "habit." Because, you see, now we are talking about our definitions and NOT about the criteria, so you can easily see how I would not want to go down this path. Thank you. --{{User:Breragor/sig}} 01:51, 5 March 2011 (UTC)</div>Breragorhttps://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Tolkien_Gateway_talk:Featured_articles/Nominations&diff=144442Tolkien Gateway talk:Featured articles/Nominations2011-03-04T01:53:25Z<p>Breragor: </p>
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<div>== Nomination limits ==<br />
<br />
Let's try to hold the nominations down to 2 or 3 at a time. Hyarion wants to concentrate on bringing more articles up to standards, and I agree.--[[User:Theoden1|Theoden1]] 16:17, 9 June 2008 (EDT)<br />
<br />
<br />
== Criteria == <br />
<br />
I think we should come up with better criteria for nominating an article. Some people have mentioned pictures, references, and sources as necessary components - I'll agree. Yet saying we cannot use [[J.R.R. Tolkien|this article]] becuase it has no footnotes, when the [[Eriador|Featured Article]] doesn't have any cannot work out. Can we establish a formal list of criteria? --{{User:Breragor/sig}} 00:53, 2 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:O.o [[Eriador#References|Eriador has 45 footnotes]]. But yes, I agree, it's a good idea to establish a list of criteria. --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 10:59, 2 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
<br />
::I recall coming up with a list a year or so back, but I can't recall where it is. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 12:27, 2 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:::{{blockquote|A FA must:<ul><li>Describe an important event, artifact or person, be it in the real-world or in Arda.</li><li>Have a limited amount of redlinks (5%?).</li><li>Have full sourcing.</li><li>Have some good images.</li><li>Have a bulk of text in the "History" section.</li><li>Have (if available) a full "Portrayal in Adaptations" section.</li><li>Have (if available) a full genealogy in the [[:Template:Familytree|familytree]] template.</li><li>Have (if available) an "Other Versions of the Legendarium" section.</li><li>Have as many relevant templates (disambigs, see also's, navigation, pronounce) as possible.</li><li>Have language links if available.</li><li>Have a "Merchandise" section (for [[Decipher Cards]], [[Games Workshop]], chess pieces et cetera).</li></ul>|[[User:Ederchil]] at [[Tolkien Gateway talk:Featured articles]] on 22:08, 2 May 2009 (UTC)}}<br />
:::I'm broadly in agreement with the above, but I would add "location" to the list of acceptable topics and take out the requirement for a "Merchandise" section. My own proposals would look like this:-<br />
<br />
:::#The text is ''entirely'' written by TG editors with correct English spelling, grammar and punctuation;<br />
:::#There are no outstanding [[:Category:Maintenance templates|maintenance templates]] on the article;<br />
:::#The article is well referenced throughout, leaving the reader under no illusions as to where to source information themselves;<br />
:::#The article conforms to TG's [[Tolkien Gateway:Manual of Style|Standards]], as well as those laid out in the relevant [[Tolkien Gateway:Projects|Project]];<br />
:::#The text is sprinkled with ''relevant'' [[Help:Images|images]] (including captions) of appropriate size - if necessary, including a gallery;<br />
:::#Articles are at least 5,000 bytes long (for comparison, that's the current revisions of [[Beorn]] or [[Tar-Aldarion]]);<br />
:::#Where applicable, contains "History", "Portrayal in Adaptations", "In Other Versions of the Legendarium", "See Also", "Genealogy", "Etymology" and "Bibliography" sections;<br />
:::#Where applicable, ''full use'' has been made of relevant templates, e.g.: [[:Category:Disambiguation and redirection templates|disambiguation]], [[Template:Seealso|see also]], [[Template:Main|main]], [[Template:Navigation|navigation]], [[Template:Pronounce|pronounce]], [[:Template:Familytree|familytree]];<br />
:::#Where applicable, contains interwiki links;<br />
:::#Preferably no red-links, but no more than half-a-dozen.<br />
:::For me, any article which can tick those boxes should be an FA (and is currently how I judge articles). --{{User:Mith/sig}} 14:18, 2 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
<br />
::::I like it. --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 17:16, 2 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:::::Firstly, under "References" on [[Eriador]] is bibliographical information, not footnotes (perhaps we have been taught different things). Regardless, I like the criteria, yet it still seems too objective. --{{User:Breragor/sig}} 01:52, 3 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::::Well, there is a difference between a bibliography and footnotes. What were you taught footnotes are? --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 08:57, 3 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:::::::I think that's irrelevant and that we should focus on the criteria, but Wikipedia says this:<br />
::::::::*As signposts to direct the reader to information the author has provided or where further useful information is pertaining to the subject in the main text.<br />
::::::::*To attribute to a quote or viewpoint.<br />
::::::::*As an alternative to parenthetical references; it is a simpler way to acknowledge information gained from another source.<br />
::::::::*To escape the limitations imposed on the word count of various academic and legal texts which do not take into account notes. Aggressive use of this strategy can lead the text to be seen as affected by what some people call "footnote disease".<br />
<br />
::::::::I always held with the first point as "supreme", but there are multiple meanings.--{{User:Breragor/sig}} 01:53, 4 March 2011 (UTC)</div>Breragorhttps://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Tolkien_Gateway_talk:Featured_articles/Nominations&diff=144406Tolkien Gateway talk:Featured articles/Nominations2011-03-03T01:52:52Z<p>Breragor: </p>
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<div>== Nomination limits ==<br />
<br />
Let's try to hold the nominations down to 2 or 3 at a time. Hyarion wants to concentrate on bringing more articles up to standards, and I agree.--[[User:Theoden1|Theoden1]] 16:17, 9 June 2008 (EDT)<br />
<br />
<br />
== Criteria == <br />
<br />
I think we should come up with better criteria for nominating an article. Some people have mentioned pictures, references, and sources as necessary components - I'll agree. Yet saying we cannot use [[J.R.R. Tolkien|this article]] becuase it has no footnotes, when the [[Eriador|Featured Article]] doesn't have any cannot work out. Can we establish a formal list of criteria? --{{User:Breragor/sig}} 00:53, 2 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:O.o [[Eriador#References|Eriador has 45 footnotes]]. But yes, I agree, it's a good idea to establish a list of criteria. --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 10:59, 2 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
<br />
::I recall coming up with a list a year or so back, but I can't recall where it is. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 12:27, 2 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
<br />
:::{{blockquote|A FA must:<ul><li>Describe an important event, artifact or person, be it in the real-world or in Arda.</li><li>Have a limited amount of redlinks (5%?).</li><li>Have full sourcing.</li><li>Have some good images.</li><li>Have a bulk of text in the "History" section.</li><li>Have (if available) a full "Portrayal in Adaptations" section.</li><li>Have (if available) a full genealogy in the [[:Template:Familytree|familytree]] template.</li><li>Have (if available) an "Other Versions of the Legendarium" section.</li><li>Have as many relevant templates (disambigs, see also's, navigation, pronounce) as possible.</li><li>Have language links if available.</li><li>Have a "Merchandise" section (for [[Decipher Cards]], [[Games Workshop]], chess pieces et cetera).</li></ul>|[[User:Ederchil]] at [[Tolkien Gateway talk:Featured articles]] on 22:08, 2 May 2009 (UTC)}}<br />
:::I'm broadly in agreement with the above, but I would add "location" to the list of acceptable topics and take out the requirement for a "Merchandise" section. My own proposals would look like this:-<br />
<br />
:::#The text is ''entirely'' written by TG editors with correct English spelling, grammar and punctuation;<br />
:::#There are no outstanding [[:Category:Maintenance templates|maintenance templates]] on the article;<br />
:::#The article is well referenced throughout, leaving the reader under no illusions as to where to source information themselves;<br />
:::#The article conforms to TG's [[Tolkien Gateway:Manual of Style|Standards]], as well as those laid out in the relevant [[Tolkien Gateway:Projects|Project]];<br />
:::#The text is sprinkled with ''relevant'' [[Help:Images|images]] (including captions) of appropriate size - if necessary, including a gallery;<br />
:::#Articles are at least 5,000 bytes long (for comparison, that's the current revisions of [[Beorn]] or [[Tar-Aldarion]]);<br />
:::#Where applicable, contains "History", "Portrayal in Adaptations", "In Other Versions of the Legendarium", "See Also", "Genealogy", "Etymology" and "Bibliography" sections;<br />
:::#Where applicable, ''full use'' has been made of relevant templates, e.g.: [[:Category:Disambiguation and redirection templates|disambiguation]], [[Template:Seealso|see also]], [[Template:Main|main]], [[Template:Navigation|navigation]], [[Template:Pronounce|pronounce]], [[:Template:Familytree|familytree]];<br />
:::#Where applicable, contains interwiki links;<br />
:::#Preferably no red-links, but no more than half-a-dozen.<br />
:::For me, any article which can tick those boxes should be an FA (and is currently how I judge articles). --{{User:Mith/sig}} 14:18, 2 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::I like it. --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 17:16, 2 March 2011 (UTC)<br />
<br />
<br />
Firstly, under "References" on [[Eriador]] is bibliographical information, not footnotes (perhaps we have been taught different things). Regardless, I like the criteria, yet it still seems too objective. --{{User:Breragor/sig}} 01:52, 3 March 2011 (UTC)</div>Breragorhttps://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Tolkien_Gateway_talk:Featured_articles/Nominations&diff=144377Tolkien Gateway talk:Featured articles/Nominations2011-03-02T00:53:32Z<p>Breragor: </p>
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<div>== Nomination limits ==<br />
<br />
Let's try to hold the nominations down to 2 or 3 at a time. Hyarion wants to concentrate on bringing more articles up to standards, and I agree.--[[User:Theoden1|Theoden1]] 16:17, 9 June 2008 (EDT)<br />
<br />
<br />
== Criteria == <br />
<br />
I think we should come up with better criteria for nominating an article. Some people have mentioned pictures, references, and sources as necessary components - I'll agree. Yet saying we cannot use [[J.R.R. Tolkien|this article]] becuase it has no footnotes, when the [[Eriador|Featured Article]] doesn't have any cannot work out. Can we establish a formal list of criteria? --{{User:Breragor/sig}} 00:53, 2 March 2011 (UTC)</div>Breragorhttps://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Tolkien_Gateway:Featured_articles/Nominations&diff=144307Tolkien Gateway:Featured articles/Nominations2011-02-27T22:45:20Z<p>Breragor: </p>
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<div>== Featured Articles ==<br />
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Any registered user can nominate an article for '''featured''' status. It should be well-written, complete, illustrated, and referenced. After nomination, an article should receive five votes with with no objections within a month or so. Each entry should begin with '''Agree''' or '''Disagree''' and be signed by the user. One vote allowed per user, of course. For the sake of practicality, let's limit active nominations to '''two articles''' at a time. Further nominations should be held in the queue, in reserve.<br />
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==[[Gandalf]]==<br />
It's a pretty impressive article, and well deserved for my favourite character and such an interesting character.--{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 07:14, 6 June 2008 (EDT)<br />
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* '''Agree'''. If I'm not mistaking, Gandalf has already been FA once. That doesn't mean it can't be again, but it's near the end of the queue. Oh, '''agree''', btw. but the sourcing needs to be a bit better. -- [[User:Ederchil|Ederchil]] 08:01, 6 June 2008 (EDT)<br />
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* '''Agree'''. This article is extensive, appears complete, well-referenced, and lavishly illustrated. It is a prime example of what an FA should be.--[[User:Theoden1|Theoden1]] 13:31, 7 June 2008 (EDT)<br />
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*'''Agree'''. Yes, quite well done. Excellent, in fact.--Ingwe<br />
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* '''Agree'''. Nice long article, good information, plus good introduction into Tolkien. {{unsigned|ZehnWaters}}<br />
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*'''Agree''' A Middle Earth without Gandalf, is not a true Middle Eearth at all.--{{User:Breragor/sig}}<br />
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*'''Agree'''. After reading it, I have to admit it is the best article we have.--<tt><sup><font color="#7BA05B">[[User:Odysseas-spartan-53|Odysseas]]-[[User talk:Odysseas-spartan-53|Spartan]]</font></sup>[[Special:Contributions/Odysseas-spartan-53|<font color="#4B5320"><font size="5">53</font></font>]]</tt> 10:50, 23 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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*'''Agree'''. Exellent Article! Besides, Gandalf is the heart of Tolkien's work. His article deserves to be featured. [[User:Mthomas|mthomas]] 12:30, 7 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
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*'''Agree'''. The first thing new users see is the main page, and generally people are most familiar with Gandalf. --Yurpee<br />
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*'''Agree'''. A central character in the LoTR trilogy. Everyone knows who he is and he deserves a good moment in the spotlight. -- Naruvir<br />
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*'''Disagree''' - I think it's a big cluttered in its structure and severely lacks sources required to make it worthy of the title. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 14:23, 4 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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==[[Gondor]]==<br />
[[Gondor]] would be a good choice. It's extensive, covers many bases, and has the requisite references. It should be next in line to be voted on for FA status.--[[User:Theoden1|Theoden1]] 10:41, 28 July 2008 (EDT) <!-- Imported from Tolkien Gateway:Featured article queue --><br />
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:'''Undecided''' - although well-written, I think it needs to be better referenced as we should only show off the ''very best'' articles that TG has to offer. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 14:19, 24 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==[[Eriador]]==<br />
Don't need to say much about [[Eriador]], perfect example of good article. --[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 21:17, 2 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
*'''Agree''' - Because it's just so awesome. --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 21:22, 2 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
*'''Agree''' - Contains all that's important. Very well referenced. -- [[User:Eldarion Telcontar|Eldarion Telcontar]] 21:51, 2 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
*'''Agree''' - As I wrote it! --{{User:Mith/sig}} 14:15, 4 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
*'''Agree''' --[[User:Sigismond|Sigismond]] 14:29, 11 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
*'''Agree''' -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 20:03, 27 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
==[[Dwarves]]==<br />
I think they're not given enough credit nor enough recognition - they're the most overshadowed of the major races in Tolkien's legendarium.<br />
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*'''Agree''' - I don't know if the banner at the top of the article matters, so if not it has my full support. Otherwise I vote for another Dwarves-related article. -- [[User:Breragor|Breragor]]<br />
*'''Undecided''' - As an article it needs some work, as is clear with the <nowiki>{{sources}}</nowiki> template at the top. However I agree that as a race they are often overlooked. --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 03:32, 22 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
*'''Disagree''' - A complete lack of sources, the structure is a bit haphazard and it contains a few too many redlinks and spelling errors for my liking. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 12:08, 22 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
*'''Agree''' - I have been personally working on compiling all the information I can find on Dwarves in Tolkiens books, even if it conflicts with itself. Once it is compiled for my personal use I will copy it to this website. -- TolkienScholar91 11:08, 24 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
*'''Disagree''' - See Mith. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 20:03, 27 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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==[[Númenor]]==<br />
It has been over a month (and there are "disagree" votes up there ^^) so I figured it's time for a new nomination; Númenor.<br />
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*'''Agree''' - I believe Númenor and its history to be some of the most interesting in all of the legendarium. For it is in this history that Gondor and Arnor (and many great things and people in Middle Earth) are rooted. --{{User:Breragor/sig}} 18:25, 26 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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*'''Disagree''' - Lack of sources, and I think the article is poorly structured (and contains fanon). --{{User:Mith/sig}} 11:57, 27 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::Wouldn't there be a banner on the page then? Look, it's about choosing Númenor as the article (i.e. whether you think it deserves such recognition) and NOT the article itself. This is a perfectly fine article, it's not a stub and not horribly written, so just take it easy, Mith. On this page you have disagreed with every article unless you wrote it! --{{unsigned|Breragor}}<br />
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*'''Disagree''' - Númenor is already featured on the [[Portal:Locations|Locations Portal]]. I think for the featured articles we display on the Main page we should look for our best articles, whatever the subject matter. When it comes to portals I think we can be more relaxed. --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 19:39, 27 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::::How do you even find the [[Portal:Locations|Locations Portal]]? {{unsigned|Breragor}}<br />
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:::::I made it. Also there's a link to it on the Main Page. All portals are currently under development. Please don't remove <nowiki>"{{unsigned|Breragor}}"</nowiki>, just sign your posts as you managed to do when you nominated Númenor yesterday. Thank you. --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 22:37, 27 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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*'''Disagree''' - needs sources. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 20:03, 27 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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==[[J.R.R. Tolkien]]==<br />
It's about time the featured article was changed - this has many pictures, details, and sources.<br />
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*'''Agree''' - The man himself deserves credit. If this article is not in good enough shape, I'm not sure what is. <br />
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[[Category:Featured Article Nominations|Featured Article Nominations]]</div>Breragorhttps://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Tolkien_Gateway:Featured_articles/Nominations&diff=144305Tolkien Gateway:Featured articles/Nominations2011-02-27T22:31:00Z<p>Breragor: </p>
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<div>== Featured Articles ==<br />
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Any registered user can nominate an article for '''featured''' status. It should be well-written, complete, illustrated, and referenced. After nomination, an article should receive five votes with with no objections within a month or so. Each entry should begin with '''Agree''' or '''Disagree''' and be signed by the user. One vote allowed per user, of course. For the sake of practicality, let's limit active nominations to '''two articles''' at a time. Further nominations should be held in the queue, in reserve.<br />
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==[[Gandalf]]==<br />
It's a pretty impressive article, and well deserved for my favourite character and such an interesting character.--{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 07:14, 6 June 2008 (EDT)<br />
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* '''Agree'''. If I'm not mistaking, Gandalf has already been FA once. That doesn't mean it can't be again, but it's near the end of the queue. Oh, '''agree''', btw. but the sourcing needs to be a bit better. -- [[User:Ederchil|Ederchil]] 08:01, 6 June 2008 (EDT)<br />
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* '''Agree'''. This article is extensive, appears complete, well-referenced, and lavishly illustrated. It is a prime example of what an FA should be.--[[User:Theoden1|Theoden1]] 13:31, 7 June 2008 (EDT)<br />
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*'''Agree'''. Yes, quite well done. Excellent, in fact.--Ingwe<br />
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* '''Agree'''. Nice long article, good information, plus good introduction into Tolkien. {{unsigned|ZehnWaters}}<br />
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*'''Agree''' A Middle Earth without Gandalf, is not a true Middle Eearth at all.--{{User:Breragor/sig}}<br />
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*'''Agree'''. After reading it, I have to admit it is the best article we have.--<tt><sup><font color="#7BA05B">[[User:Odysseas-spartan-53|Odysseas]]-[[User talk:Odysseas-spartan-53|Spartan]]</font></sup>[[Special:Contributions/Odysseas-spartan-53|<font color="#4B5320"><font size="5">53</font></font>]]</tt> 10:50, 23 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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*'''Agree'''. Exellent Article! Besides, Gandalf is the heart of Tolkien's work. His article deserves to be featured. [[User:Mthomas|mthomas]] 12:30, 7 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
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*'''Agree'''. The first thing new users see is the main page, and generally people are most familiar with Gandalf. --Yurpee<br />
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*'''Agree'''. A central character in the LoTR trilogy. Everyone knows who he is and he deserves a good moment in the spotlight. -- Naruvir<br />
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*'''Disagree''' - I think it's a big cluttered in its structure and severely lacks sources required to make it worthy of the title. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 14:23, 4 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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==[[Gondor]]==<br />
[[Gondor]] would be a good choice. It's extensive, covers many bases, and has the requisite references. It should be next in line to be voted on for FA status.--[[User:Theoden1|Theoden1]] 10:41, 28 July 2008 (EDT) <!-- Imported from Tolkien Gateway:Featured article queue --><br />
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:'''Undecided''' - although well-written, I think it needs to be better referenced as we should only show off the ''very best'' articles that TG has to offer. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 14:19, 24 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==[[Eriador]]==<br />
Don't need to say much about [[Eriador]], perfect example of good article. --[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 21:17, 2 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
*'''Agree''' - Because it's just so awesome. --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 21:22, 2 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
*'''Agree''' - Contains all that's important. Very well referenced. -- [[User:Eldarion Telcontar|Eldarion Telcontar]] 21:51, 2 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
*'''Agree''' - As I wrote it! --{{User:Mith/sig}} 14:15, 4 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
*'''Agree''' --[[User:Sigismond|Sigismond]] 14:29, 11 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
*'''Agree''' -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 20:03, 27 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
==[[Dwarves]]==<br />
I think they're not given enough credit nor enough recognition - they're the most overshadowed of the major races in Tolkien's legendarium.<br />
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*'''Agree''' - I don't know if the banner at the top of the article matters, so if not it has my full support. Otherwise I vote for another Dwarves-related article. -- [[User:Breragor|Breragor]]<br />
*'''Undecided''' - As an article it needs some work, as is clear with the <nowiki>{{sources}}</nowiki> template at the top. However I agree that as a race they are often overlooked. --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 03:32, 22 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
*'''Disagree''' - A complete lack of sources, the structure is a bit haphazard and it contains a few too many redlinks and spelling errors for my liking. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 12:08, 22 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
*'''Agree''' - I have been personally working on compiling all the information I can find on Dwarves in Tolkiens books, even if it conflicts with itself. Once it is compiled for my personal use I will copy it to this website. -- TolkienScholar91 11:08, 24 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
*'''Disagree''' - See Mith. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 20:03, 27 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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==[[Númenor]]==<br />
It has been over a month (and there are "disagree" votes up there ^^) so I figured it's time for a new nomination; Númenor.<br />
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*'''Agree''' - I believe Númenor and its history to be some of the most interesting in all of the legendarium. For it is in this history that Gondor and Arnor (and many great things and people in Middle Earth) are rooted. --{{User:Breragor/sig}} 18:25, 26 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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*'''Disagree''' - Lack of sources, and I think the article is poorly structured (and contains fanon). --{{User:Mith/sig}} 11:57, 27 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::Wouldn't there be a banner on the page then? Look, it's about choosing Númenor as the article (i.e. whether you think it deserves such recognition) and NOT the article itself. This is a perfectly fine article, it's not a stub and not horribly written, so just take it easy, Mith. On this page you have disagreed with every article unless you wrote it! <br />
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*'''Disagree''' - Númenor is already featured on the [[Portal:Locations|Locations Portal]]. I think for the featured articles we display on the Main page we should look for our best articles, whatever the subject matter. When it comes to portals I think we can be more relaxed. --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 19:39, 27 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
:::How do you even find the [[Portal:Locations|Locations Portal]]?<br />
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*'''Disagree''' - needs sources. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 20:03, 27 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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[[Category:Featured Article Nominations|Featured Article Nominations]]</div>Breragorhttps://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Tolkien_Gateway:Featured_articles/Nominations&diff=144293Tolkien Gateway:Featured articles/Nominations2011-02-27T18:39:29Z<p>Breragor: </p>
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<div>== Featured Articles ==<br />
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Any registered user can nominate an article for '''featured''' status. It should be well-written, complete, illustrated, and referenced. After nomination, an article should receive five votes with with no objections within a month or so. Each entry should begin with '''Agree''' or '''Disagree''' and be signed by the user. One vote allowed per user, of course. For the sake of practicality, let's limit active nominations to '''two articles''' at a time. Further nominations should be held in the queue, in reserve.<br />
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==[[Gandalf]]==<br />
It's a pretty impressive article, and well deserved for my favourite character and such an interesting character.--{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 07:14, 6 June 2008 (EDT)<br />
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* '''Agree'''. If I'm not mistaking, Gandalf has already been FA once. That doesn't mean it can't be again, but it's near the end of the queue. Oh, '''agree''', btw. but the sourcing needs to be a bit better. -- [[User:Ederchil|Ederchil]] 08:01, 6 June 2008 (EDT)<br />
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* '''Agree'''. This article is extensive, appears complete, well-referenced, and lavishly illustrated. It is a prime example of what an FA should be.--[[User:Theoden1|Theoden1]] 13:31, 7 June 2008 (EDT)<br />
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*'''Agree'''. Yes, quite well done. Excellent, in fact.--Ingwe<br />
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[[Category:Featured Article Nominations|Featured Article Nominations]]<br />
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* '''Agree'''. Nice long article, good information, plus good introduction into Tolkien. {{unsigned|ZehnWaters}}<br />
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*'''Agree''' A Middle Earth without Gandalf, is not a true Middle Eearth at all.--{{User:Breragor/sig}}<br />
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*'''Agree'''. After reading it, I have to admit it is the best article we have.--<tt><sup><font color="#7BA05B">[[User:Odysseas-spartan-53|Odysseas]]-[[User talk:Odysseas-spartan-53|Spartan]]</font></sup>[[Special:Contributions/Odysseas-spartan-53|<font color="#4B5320"><font size="5">53</font></font>]]</tt> 10:50, 23 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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*'''Agree'''. Exellent Article! Besides, Gandalf is the heart of Tolkien's work. His article deserves to be featured. [[User:Mthomas|mthomas]] 12:30, 7 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
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*'''Agree'''. The first thing new users see is the main page, and generally people are most familiar with Gandalf. --Yurpee<br />
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*'''Agree'''. A central character in the LoTR trilogy. Everyone knows who he is and he deserves a good moment in the spotlight. -- Naruvir<br />
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*'''Disagree''' - I think it's a big cluttered in its structure and severely lacks sources required to make it worthy of the title. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 14:23, 4 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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==[[Gondor]]==<br />
[[Gondor]] would be a good choice. It's extensive, covers many bases, and has the requisite references. It should be next in line to be voted on for FA status.--[[User:Theoden1|Theoden1]] 10:41, 28 July 2008 (EDT) <!-- Imported from Tolkien Gateway:Featured article queue --><br />
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:'''Undecided''' - although well-written, I think it needs to be better referenced as we should only show off the ''very best'' articles that TG has to offer. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 14:19, 24 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==[[Eriador]]==<br />
Don't need to say much about [[Eriador]], perfect example of good article. --[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 21:17, 2 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
*'''Agree''' - Because it's just so awesome. --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 21:22, 2 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
*'''Agree''' - Contains all that's important. Very well referenced. -- [[User:Eldarion Telcontar|Eldarion Telcontar]] 21:51, 2 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
*'''Agree''' - As I wrote it! --{{User:Mith/sig}} 14:15, 4 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
*'''Agree''' --[[User:Sigismond|Sigismond]] 14:29, 11 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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==[[Dwarves]]==<br />
I think they're not given enough credit nor enough recognition - they're the most overshadowed of the major races in Tolkien's legendarium.<br />
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*'''Agree''' - I don't know if the banner at the top of the article matters, so if not it has my full support. Otherwise I vote for another Dwarves-related article. -- [[User:Breragor|Breragor]]<br />
*'''Undecided''' - As an article it needs some work, as is clear with the <nowiki>{{sources}}</nowiki> template at the top. However I agree that as a race they are often overlooked. --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 03:32, 22 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
*'''Disagree''' - A complete lack of sources, the structure is a bit haphazard and it contains a few too many redlinks and spelling errors for my liking. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 12:08, 22 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
*'''Agree''' - I have been personally working on compiling all the information I can find on Dwarves in Tolkiens books, even if it conflicts with itself. Once it is compiled for my personal use I will copy it to this website. --<br />
TolkienScholar91 11:08, 24 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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==[[Númenor]]==<br />
It has been over a month (and there are "disagree" votes up there ^^) so I figured it's time for a new nomination; Númenor.<br />
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*'''Agree''' - I believe Númenor and its history to be some of the most interesting in all of the legendarium. For it is in this history that Gondor and Arnor (and many great things and people in Middle Earth) are rooted. --{{User:Breragor/sig}} 18:25, 26 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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*'''Disagree''' - Lack of sources, and I think the article is poorly structured (and contains fanon). --{{User:Mith/sig}} 11:57, 27 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:::Wouldn't there be a banner on the page then? Look, it's about choosing Númenor as the article (i.e. whether you think it deserves such recognition) and NOT the article itself. This is a perfectly fine article, it's not a stub and not horribly written, so just take it easy, Mith. On this page you have disagreed with every article unless you wrote it!</div>Breragorhttps://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Tolkien_Gateway:Featured_articles/Nominations&diff=144234Tolkien Gateway:Featured articles/Nominations2011-02-26T18:26:00Z<p>Breragor: </p>
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<div>== Featured Articles ==<br />
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Any registered user can nominate an article for '''featured''' status. It should be well-written, complete, illustrated, and referenced. After nomination, an article should receive five votes with with no objections within a month or so. Each entry should begin with '''Agree''' or '''Disagree''' and be signed by the user. One vote allowed per user, of course. For the sake of practicality, let's limit active nominations to '''two articles''' at a time. Further nominations should be held in the queue, in reserve.<br />
<br />
==[[Gandalf]]==<br />
It's a pretty impressive article, and well deserved for my favourite character and such an interesting character.--{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 07:14, 6 June 2008 (EDT)<br />
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* '''Agree'''. If I'm not mistaking, Gandalf has already been FA once. That doesn't mean it can't be again, but it's near the end of the queue. Oh, '''agree''', btw. but the sourcing needs to be a bit better. -- [[User:Ederchil|Ederchil]] 08:01, 6 June 2008 (EDT)<br />
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* '''Agree'''. This article is extensive, appears complete, well-referenced, and lavishly illustrated. It is a prime example of what an FA should be.--[[User:Theoden1|Theoden1]] 13:31, 7 June 2008 (EDT)<br />
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*'''Agree'''. Yes, quite well done. Excellent, in fact.--Ingwe<br />
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[[Category:Featured Article Nominations|Featured Article Nominations]]<br />
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* '''Agree'''. Nice long article, good information, plus good introduction into Tolkien. {{unsigned|ZehnWaters}}<br />
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*'''Agree''' A Middle Earth without Gandalf, is not a true Middle Eearth at all.--{{User:Breragor/sig}}<br />
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*'''Agree'''. After reading it, I have to admit it is the best article we have.--<tt><sup><font color="#7BA05B">[[User:Odysseas-spartan-53|Odysseas]]-[[User talk:Odysseas-spartan-53|Spartan]]</font></sup>[[Special:Contributions/Odysseas-spartan-53|<font color="#4B5320"><font size="5">53</font></font>]]</tt> 10:50, 23 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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*'''Agree'''. Exellent Article! Besides, Gandalf is the heart of Tolkien's work. His article deserves to be featured. [[User:Mthomas|mthomas]] 12:30, 7 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
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*'''Agree'''. The first thing new users see is the main page, and generally people are most familiar with Gandalf. --Yurpee<br />
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*'''Agree'''. A central character in the LoTR trilogy. Everyone knows who he is and he deserves a good moment in the spotlight. -- Naruvir<br />
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*'''Disagree''' - I think it's a big cluttered in its structure and severely lacks sources required to make it worthy of the title. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 14:23, 4 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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==[[Gondor]]==<br />
[[Gondor]] would be a good choice. It's extensive, covers many bases, and has the requisite references. It should be next in line to be voted on for FA status.--[[User:Theoden1|Theoden1]] 10:41, 28 July 2008 (EDT) <!-- Imported from Tolkien Gateway:Featured article queue --><br />
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:'''Undecided''' - although well-written, I think it needs to be better referenced as we should only show off the ''very best'' articles that TG has to offer. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 14:19, 24 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==[[Eriador]]==<br />
Don't need to say much about [[Eriador]], perfect example of good article. --[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 21:17, 2 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
*'''Agree''' - Because it's just so awesome. --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 21:22, 2 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
*'''Agree''' - Contains all that's important. Very well referenced. -- [[User:Eldarion Telcontar|Eldarion Telcontar]] 21:51, 2 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
*'''Agree''' - As I wrote it! --{{User:Mith/sig}} 14:15, 4 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
*'''Agree''' --[[User:Sigismond|Sigismond]] 14:29, 11 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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==[[Dwarves]]==<br />
I think they're not given enough credit nor enough recognition - they're the most overshadowed of the major races in Tolkien's legendarium.<br />
<br />
*'''Agree''' - I don't know if the banner at the top of the article matters, so if not it has my full support. Otherwise I vote for another Dwarves-related article. -- [[User:Breragor|Breragor]]<br />
*'''Undecided''' - As an article it needs some work, as is clear with the <nowiki>{{sources}}</nowiki> template at the top. However I agree that as a race they are often overlooked. --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 03:32, 22 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
*'''Disagree''' - A complete lack of sources, the structure is a bit haphazard and it contains a few too many redlinks and spelling errors for my liking. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 12:08, 22 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
*'''Agree''' - I have been personally working on compiling all the information I can find on Dwarves in Tolkiens books, even if it conflicts with itself. Once it is compiled for my personal use I will copy it to this website. --<br />
TolkienScholar91 11:08, 24 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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==[[Númenor]]==<br />
It has been over a month (and there are "disagree" votes up there ^^) so I figured it's time for a new nomination; Númenor.<br />
<br />
*'''Agree''' - I believe Númenor and its history to be some of the most interesting in all of the legendarium. For it is in this history that Gondor and Arnor (and many great things and people in Middle Earth) are rooted. --{{User:Breragor/sig}} 18:25, 26 February 2011 (UTC)</div>Breragorhttps://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Tolkien_Gateway:Featured_articles/Nominations&diff=144233Tolkien Gateway:Featured articles/Nominations2011-02-26T18:25:06Z<p>Breragor: </p>
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<div>== Featured Articles ==<br />
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Any registered user can nominate an article for '''featured''' status. It should be well-written, complete, illustrated, and referenced. After nomination, an article should receive five votes with with no objections within a month or so. Each entry should begin with '''Agree''' or '''Disagree''' and be signed by the user. One vote allowed per user, of course. For the sake of practicality, let's limit active nominations to '''two articles''' at a time. Further nominations should be held in the queue, in reserve.<br />
<br />
==[[Gandalf]]==<br />
It's a pretty impressive article, and well deserved for my favourite character and such an interesting character.--{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 07:14, 6 June 2008 (EDT)<br />
<br />
* '''Agree'''. If I'm not mistaking, Gandalf has already been FA once. That doesn't mean it can't be again, but it's near the end of the queue. Oh, '''agree''', btw. but the sourcing needs to be a bit better. -- [[User:Ederchil|Ederchil]] 08:01, 6 June 2008 (EDT)<br />
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* '''Agree'''. This article is extensive, appears complete, well-referenced, and lavishly illustrated. It is a prime example of what an FA should be.--[[User:Theoden1|Theoden1]] 13:31, 7 June 2008 (EDT)<br />
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*'''Agree'''. Yes, quite well done. Excellent, in fact.--Ingwe<br />
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[[Category:Featured Article Nominations|Featured Article Nominations]]<br />
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* '''Agree'''. Nice long article, good information, plus good introduction into Tolkien. {{unsigned|ZehnWaters}}<br />
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*'''Agree''' A Middle Earth without Gandalf, is not a true Middle Eearth at all.--{{User:Breragor/sig}}<br />
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*'''Agree'''. After reading it, I have to admit it is the best article we have.--<tt><sup><font color="#7BA05B">[[User:Odysseas-spartan-53|Odysseas]]-[[User talk:Odysseas-spartan-53|Spartan]]</font></sup>[[Special:Contributions/Odysseas-spartan-53|<font color="#4B5320"><font size="5">53</font></font>]]</tt> 10:50, 23 May 2009 (UTC)<br />
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*'''Agree'''. Exellent Article! Besides, Gandalf is the heart of Tolkien's work. His article deserves to be featured. [[User:Mthomas|mthomas]] 12:30, 7 June 2009 (UTC)<br />
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*'''Agree'''. The first thing new users see is the main page, and generally people are most familiar with Gandalf. --Yurpee<br />
<br />
*'''Agree'''. A central character in the LoTR trilogy. Everyone knows who he is and he deserves a good moment in the spotlight. -- Naruvir<br />
<br />
*'''Disagree''' - I think it's a big cluttered in its structure and severely lacks sources required to make it worthy of the title. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 14:23, 4 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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==[[Gondor]]==<br />
[[Gondor]] would be a good choice. It's extensive, covers many bases, and has the requisite references. It should be next in line to be voted on for FA status.--[[User:Theoden1|Theoden1]] 10:41, 28 July 2008 (EDT) <!-- Imported from Tolkien Gateway:Featured article queue --><br />
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:'''Undecided''' - although well-written, I think it needs to be better referenced as we should only show off the ''very best'' articles that TG has to offer. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 14:19, 24 September 2010 (UTC)<br />
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==[[Eriador]]==<br />
Don't need to say much about [[Eriador]], perfect example of good article. --[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 21:17, 2 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
*'''Agree''' - Because it's just so awesome. --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 21:22, 2 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
*'''Agree''' - Contains all that's important. Very well referenced. -- [[User:Eldarion Telcontar|Eldarion Telcontar]] 21:51, 2 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
*'''Agree''' - As I wrote it! --{{User:Mith/sig}} 14:15, 4 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
*'''Agree''' --[[User:Sigismond|Sigismond]] 14:29, 11 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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==[[Dwarves]]==<br />
I think they're not given enough credit nor enough recognition - they're the most overshadowed of the major races in Tolkien's legendarium.<br />
<br />
*'''Agree''' - I don't know if the banner at the top of the article matters, so if not it has my full support. Otherwise I vote for another Dwarves-related article. -- [[User:Breragor|Breragor]]<br />
*'''Undecided''' - As an article it needs some work, as is clear with the <nowiki>{{sources}}</nowiki> template at the top. However I agree that as a race they are often overlooked. --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 03:32, 22 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
*'''Disagree''' - A complete lack of sources, the structure is a bit haphazard and it contains a few too many redlinks and spelling errors for my liking. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 12:08, 22 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
*'''Agree''' - I have been personally working on compiling all the information I can find on Dwarves in Tolkiens books, even if it conflicts with itself. Once it is compiled for my personal use I will copy it to this website. --<br />
TolkienScholar91 11:08, 24 January 2011 (UTC)<br />
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==[[Númenor]]==<br />
It has been over a month (and there are "disagree" votes up there ^^) so I figured it's time for a new nomination; Númenor.<br />
<br />
*'''Agree''' - I believe Númenor and its history to be some of the most interesting in all of the legendarium. For it is from this history that Gondor and Arnor (and many great things and people in Middle Earth) are from. --{{User:Breragor/sig}} 18:25, 26 February 2011 (UTC)</div>Breragorhttps://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=User:Breragor&diff=144129User:Breragor2011-02-22T18:26:50Z<p>Breragor: </p>
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{{quote|Eldest, that's what I am... Tom remembers the first raindrop and the first acorn... he knew the dark under the stars when it was fearless – before the Dark Lord came from Outside.|[[Tom Bombadil]], ''[[In the House of Tom Bombadil]]''}}<br />
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*[[Timeline/Third Age|The Third Age]] - The '''best''' Age.<br />
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| width=100% | {{quote|The Sea! Alas! I have not yet beheld it. But deep in the hearts of all my kindred lies the sea-longing, which it is perilous to stir. Alas! for the gulls. No peace shall I have again under beech or under elm.|[[Legolas]], ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'', ''[[The Return of the King]]'', "[[The Last Debate]]"}}<br />
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|[[Image:Ted_Nasmith_-_The_Argonath.jpg|right|thumb|345px|''The Argonath'' by [[Ted Nasmith]]]]<br> <br />
{{quote|And it came to pass after many years of journeying in this manner that the [[Eldar]] took their course through a forest,<br> and they came to a [[Anduin|great river]], wider than any they had yet seen; and beyond it were [[Misty Mountains|mountains]] whose sharp horns seemed to pierce the realm of the stars.|''[[The Silmarillion]]''}}<br />
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|[[Image:Ted Nasmith - The White Tree.jpg|left|thumb|250px|''The White Tree'' by [[Ted Nasmith]]]]<br />
{{quote|Gondor! Gondor, between the Mountains and the Sea! <br>West Wind blew there; light upon the Silver Tree|[[Aragorn]], ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'', ''[[The Two Towers]]'', "[[The Riders of Rohan]]"}}<br />
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== Userboxes ==<br />
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{{usbktop2}}<br />
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<center>{{Special:Editcount/Breragor}}</center></div>Breragorhttps://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Template:User_tom&diff=144128Template:User tom2011-02-22T18:26:25Z<p>Breragor: Created page with "{{userbox | border-c= | id=TOM | id-c=#996600 | id-fc=white | info=This user believes Tom Bombadil is some kind of "Father Nature". | info-c=#33CCFF |…"</p>
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[[Category:Userbox templates|Tom]]</noinclude></div>Breragorhttps://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=User:Breragor&diff=144127User:Breragor2011-02-22T17:53:03Z<p>Breragor: </p>
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| name= Breragor<br />
| othernames= Eruanne (Eruan)<br />
| language= English<br />
| birth= [[Third Age 1000]]<br />
| gender= Male<br />
| eyes = Primary<br />
| Talk page= [[User talk:Breragor]]<br />
| userboxes= {{user en-N}} <br />
{{User entwives3}}<br />
{{User balrogwings3}}<br />
{{User Númenor}}<br />
{{User orcs are elves}}<br />
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== Things ==<br />
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{{quote|In a hole in the ground there lived a Hobbit. Not a nasty, dirty, wet hole, filled with the ends of worms and oozy smell, nor yet a dry, bare, sandy hole with nothing in it to sit down on or to eat: it was a hobbit-hole and that means comfort.|[[The Hobbit]], "[[An Unexpected Party]]"}}<br />
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{{quote|Eldest, that's what I am... Tom remembers the first raindrop and the first acorn... he knew the dark under the stars when it was fearless – before the Dark Lord came from Outside.|[[Tom Bombadil]], ''[[In the House of Tom Bombadil]]''}}<br />
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*[[Timeline/Third Age|The Third Age]] - The '''best''' Age.<br />
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{|<br />
|[[Image:Ted_Nasmith_-_Earendil_the_Mariner.jpg|left|thumb|300px|''Eärendil the Mariner'' by [[Ted Nasmith]]]]<br />
| width=100% | {{quote|The Sea! Alas! I have not yet beheld it. But deep in the hearts of all my kindred lies the sea-longing, which it is perilous to stir. Alas! for the gulls. No peace shall I have again under beech or under elm.|[[Legolas]], ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'', ''[[The Return of the King]]'', "[[The Last Debate]]"}}<br />
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{{quote|And it came to pass after many years of journeying in this manner that the [[Eldar]] took their course through a forest,<br> and they came to a [[Anduin|great river]], wider than any they had yet seen; and beyond it were [[Misty Mountains|mountains]] whose sharp horns seemed to pierce the realm of the stars.|''[[The Silmarillion]]''}}<br />
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|[[Image:Ted Nasmith - The White Tree.jpg|left|thumb|250px|''The White Tree'' by [[Ted Nasmith]]]]<br />
{{quote|Gondor! Gondor, between the Mountains and the Sea! <br>West Wind blew there; light upon the Silver Tree|[[Aragorn]], ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'', ''[[The Two Towers]]'', "[[The Riders of Rohan]]"}}<br />
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== Userboxes ==<br />
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{{usbktop2}}<br />
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<center>{{Special:Editcount/Breragor}}</center></div>Breragorhttps://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=User:Breragor&diff=143797User:Breragor2011-02-19T19:38:30Z<p>Breragor: </p>
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<div>{{user infobox<br />
| image=<br />
| name= Breragor<br />
| othernames= Eruanne (Eruan)<br />
| language= English<br />
| birth= [[Third Age 1000]]<br />
| gender= Male<br />
| eyes = Primary<br />
| Talk page= [[User talk:Breragor]]<br />
| userboxes= {{user en-N}} <br />
{{User entwives3}}<br />
{{User balrogwings3}}<br />
{{User Númenor}}<br />
{{User orcs are elves}}<br />
{{User evil2}}<br />
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== Things ==<br />
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{{quote|In a hole in the ground there lived a Hobbit. Not a nasty, dirty, wet hole, filled with the ends of worms and oozy smell, nor yet a dry, bare, sandy hole with nothing in it to sit down on or to eat: it was a hobbit-hole and that means comfort.|[[The Hobbit]], "[[An Unexpected Party]]"}}<br />
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*[[Timeline/Third Age|The Third Age]] - The '''best''' Age.<br />
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{|<br />
|[[Image:Ted_Nasmith_-_Earendil_the_Mariner.jpg|left|thumb|300px|''Eärendil the Mariner'' by [[Ted Nasmith]]]]<br />
| width=100% | {{quote|The Sea! Alas! I have not yet beheld it. But deep in the hearts of all my kindred lies the sea-longing, which it is perilous to stir. Alas! for the gulls. No peace shall I have again under beech or under elm.|[[Legolas]], ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'', ''[[The Return of the King]]'', "[[The Last Debate]]"}}<br />
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{{quote|And it came to pass after many years of journeying in this manner that the [[Eldar]] took their course through a forest,<br> and they came to a [[Anduin|great river]], wider than any they had yet seen; and beyond it were [[Misty Mountains|mountains]] whose sharp horns seemed to pierce the realm of the stars.|''[[The Silmarillion]]''}}<br />
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|[[Image:Ted Nasmith - The White Tree.jpg|left|thumb|250px|''The White Tree'' by [[Ted Nasmith]]]]<br />
{{quote|Gondor! Gondor, between the Mountains and the Sea! <br>West Wind blew there; light upon the Silver Tree|[[Aragorn]], ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'', ''[[The Two Towers]]'', "[[The Riders of Rohan]]"}}<br />
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== Userboxes ==<br />
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{{usbktop2}}<br />
{{usbk|User entwives3}}<br />
{{usbk|User balrogwings3}}<br />
{{usbk|User evil2}}<br />
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<div>{{user infobox<br />
| image=<br />
| name= Breragor<br />
| othernames= Eruanne (Eruan)<br />
| language= English<br />
| birth= [[Third Age 1000]]<br />
| gender= Male<br />
| eyes = Primary<br />
| Talk page= [[User talk:Breragor]]<br />
| userboxes= {{user en-N}} <br />
{{User entwives3}}<br />
{{User balrogwings3}}<br />
{{User Númenor}}<br />
{{User orcs are elves}}<br />
{{User evil2}}<br />
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== Things ==<br />
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{{quote|In a hole in the ground there lived a Hobbit. Not a nasty, dirty, wet hole, filled with the ends of worms and oozy smell, nor yet a dry, bare, sandy hole with nothing in it to sit down on or to eat: it was a hobbit-hole and that means comfort.|[[The Hobbit]], "[[An Unexpected Party]]"}}<br />
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*[[Timeline/Third Age|The Third Age]] - The '''best''' Age.<br />
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{|<br />
|[[Image:Ted_Nasmith_-_Earendil_the_Mariner.jpg|left|thumb|300px|''Eärendil the Mariner'' by [[Ted Nasmith]]]]<br />
| width=100% | {{quote|The Sea! Alas! I have not yet beheld it. But deep in the hearts of all my kindred lies the sea-longing, which it is perilous to stir. Alas! for the gulls. No peace shall I have again under beech or under elm.|[[Legolas]], ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'', ''[[The Return of the King]]'', "[[The Last Debate]]"}}<br />
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|[[Image:Ted_Nasmith_-_The_Argonath.jpg|right|thumb|345px|''The Argonath'' by [[Ted Nasmith]]]]<br> <br />
{{quote|And it came to pass after many years of journeying in this manner that the [[Eldar]] took their course through a forest,<br> and they came to a [[Anduin|great river]], wider than any they had yet seen; and beyond it were [[Misty Mountains|mountains]] whose sharp horns seemed to pierce the realm of the stars.|''[[The Silmarillion]]''}}<br />
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|[[Image:Ted Nasmith - The White Tree.jpg|left|thumb|250px|''The White Tree'' by [[Ted Nasmith]]]]<br />
{{quote|Gondor! Gondor, between the Mountains and the Sea! <br>West Wind blew there; light upon the Silver Tree|[[Aragorn]], ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'', ''[[The Two Towers]]'', "[[The Riders of Rohan]]"}}<br />
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{{usbktop2}}<br />
{{usbk|User entwives3}}<br />
{{usbk|User balrogwings3}}<br />
{{usbk|User evil2}}<br />
{{usbk|User userboxes}}<br />
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<center>{{Special:Editcount/Breragor}}</center></div>Breragorhttps://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=User:Breragor&diff=143320User:Breragor2011-02-18T01:52:48Z<p>Breragor: </p>
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<div>{{user infobox<br />
| image=<br />
| name= Breragor<br />
| othernames= Eruanne (Eruan)<br />
| language= English<br />
| birth= [[Third Age 1000]]<br />
| gender= Male<br />
| eyes = Primary<br />
| Talk page= [[User talk:Breragor]]<br />
| userboxes= {{user en-N}} <br />
{{User entwives3}}<br />
{{User balrogwings3}}<br />
{{User Númenor}}<br />
{{User orcs are elves}}<br />
{{User evil2}}<br />
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== Things ==<br />
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{{quote|In a hole in the ground there lived a Hobbit. Not a nasty, dirty, wet hole, filled with the ends of worms and oozy smell, nor yet a dry, bare, sandy hole with nothing in it to sit down on or to eat: it was a hobbit-hole and that means comfort.|[[The Hobbit]], "[[An Unexpected Party]]"}}<br />
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*[[Timeline/Third Age|The Third Age]] - The '''best''' Age.<br />
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{|<br />
|[[Image:Ted_Nasmith_-_Earendil_the_Mariner.jpg|left|thumb|300px|''Eärendil the Mariner'' by [[Ted Nasmith]]]]<br />
| width=100% | {{quote|The Sea! Alas! I have not yet beheld it. But deep in the hearts of all my kindred lies the sea-longing, which it is perilous to stir. Alas! for the gulls. No peace shall I have again under beech or under elm.|[[Legolas]], ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'', ''[[The Return of the King]]'', "[[The Last Debate]]"}}<br />
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{{quote|Gondor! Gondor, between the Mountains and the Sea!<br>West Wind blew there; light upon the Silver Tree|[[Aragorn]], ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'', ''[[The Two Towers]]'', "[[The Riders of Rohan]]"}}<br />
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{|<br />
|[[Image:Ted_Nasmith_-_The_Argonath.jpg|left|thumb|345px|''The Argonath'' by [[Ted Nasmith]]]]<br> {{quote|And it came to pass after many years of journeying in this manner that the [[Eldar]] took their course through a forest,<br> and they came to a [[Anduin|great river]], wider than any they had yet seen; and beyond it were [[Misty Mountains|mountains]] whose sharp horns seemed to pierce the realm of the stars.|''[[The Silmarillion]]''}}<br />
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== Userboxes ==<br />
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{{usbktop2}}<br />
{{usbk|User entwives3}}<br />
{{usbk|User balrogwings3}}<br />
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<center>{{Special:Editcount/Breragor}}</center></div>Breragorhttps://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=User:Breragor&diff=143318User:Breragor2011-02-17T23:19:18Z<p>Breragor: </p>
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<div>{{user infobox<br />
| image=<br />
| name= Breragor<br />
| othernames= Eruanne (Eruan)<br />
| language= English<br />
| birth= [[Third Age 1000]]<br />
| gender= Male<br />
| eyes = Primary<br />
| Talk page= [[User talk:Breragor]]<br />
| userboxes= {{user en-N}} <br />
{{User entwives3}}<br />
{{User balrogwings3}}<br />
{{User Númenor}}<br />
{{User orcs are elves}}<br />
{{User evil2}}<br />
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| BG2=#4169E1<br />
| BG3=<br />
| userboxheight= 294px<br />
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== Things ==<br />
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{{quote|In a hole in the ground there lived a Hobbit. Not a nasty, dirty, wet hole, filled with the ends of worms and oozy smell, nor yet a dry, bare, sandy hole with nothing in it to sit down on or to eat: it was a hobbit-hole and that means comfort.|[[The Hobbit]], "[[An Unexpected Party]]"}}<br />
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*[[Timeline/Third Age|The Third Age]] - The '''best''' Age.<br />
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{|<br />
|[[Image:Ted_Nasmith_-_Earendil_the_Mariner.jpg|left|thumb|300px|''Eärendil the Mariner'' by [[Ted Nasmith]]]]<br />
| width=100% | {{quote|The Sea! Alas! I have not yet beheld it. But deep in the hearts of all my kindred lies the sea-longing, which it is perilous to stir. Alas! for the gulls. No peace shall I have again under beech or under elm.|[[Legolas]], ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'', ''[[The Return of the King]]'', "[[The Last Debate]]"}}<br />
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{{quote|Gondor! Gondor, between the Mountains and the Sea!<br>West Wind blew there; light upon the Silver Tree|[[Aragorn]], ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'', ''[[The Two Towers]]'', "[[The Riders of Rohan]]"}}<br />
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{|<br />
|[[Image:Ted_Nasmith_-_The_Argonath.jpg|left|thumb|345px|''The Argonath'' by [[Ted Nasmith]]]]<br> {{quote|And it came to pass after many years of journeying in this manner that the [[Eldar]] took their course through a forest,<br> and they came to a [[Anduin|great river]], wider than any they had yet seen; and beyond it were [[Misty Mountains|mountains]] whose sharp horns seemed to pierce the realm of the stars.|''[[The Silmarillion]]''}}<br />
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== Userboxes ==<br />
{{User userboxes}}<br />
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{{usbktop2}}<br />
{{usbk|User entwives3}}<br />
{{usbk|User balrogwings3}}<br />
{{usbk|User evil2}}<br />
{{usbk|User userboxes}}<br />
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<center>{{Special:Editcount/Breragor}}</center></div>Breragorhttps://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=User:Breragor&diff=143242User:Breragor2011-02-16T22:29:02Z<p>Breragor: </p>
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<div>{{user infobox<br />
| image=<br />
| name= Breragor<br />
| othernames= Eruanne (Eruan)<br />
| language= English<br />
| birth= [[Third Age 1000]]<br />
| gender= Male<br />
| eyes = Primary<br />
| Talk page= [[User talk:Breragor]]<br />
| userboxes= {{user en-N}} <br />
{{User entwives3}}<br />
{{User balrogwings3}}<br />
{{User Númenor}}<br />
{{User orcs are elves}}<br />
{{User evil2}}<br />
| BG1=#228B22<br />
| BG2=#4169E1<br />
| BG3=<br />
| userboxheight= 294px<br />
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== Things ==<br />
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{{quote|In a hole in the ground there lived a Hobbit. Not a nasty, dirty, wet hole, filled with the ends of worms and oozy smell, nor yet a dry, bare, sandy hole with nothing in it to sit down on or to eat: it was a hobbit-hole and that means comfort.|[[The Hobbit]], "[[An Unexpected Party]]"}}<br />
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*[[Timeline/Third Age|The Third Age]] - The '''best''' Age.<br />
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{|<br />
|[[Image:Ted_Nasmith_-_Earendil_the_Mariner.jpg|left|thumb|300px|''Eärendil the Mariner'' by [[Ted Nasmith]]]]<br />
| width=100% | {{quote|The Sea! Alas! I have not yet beheld it. But deep in the hearts of all my kindred lies the sea-longing, which it is perilous to stir. Alas! for the gulls. No peace shall I have again under beech or under elm.|[[Legolas]], ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'', ''[[The Return of the King]]'', "[[The Last Debate]]"}}<br />
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{{quote|Gondor! Gondor, between the Mountains and the Sea!<br>West Wind blew there; light upon the Silver Tree|[[Aragorn]], ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'', ''[[The Two Towers]]'', "[[The Riders of Rohan]]"}}<br />
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Below you will find all the [[Tolkien Gateway:Userboxes|userboxes]] that I have made, which you are more than welcome to use!<br />
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{{usbktop2}}<br />
{{usbk|User entwives3}}<br />
{{usbk|User balrogwings3}}<br />
{{usbk|User evil2}}<br />
{{usbk|User userboxes}}<br />
{{usbk|user userboxes2}}<br />
{{usbkbottom}}<br />
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<center>{{Special:Editcount/Breragor}}</center></div>Breragorhttps://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Template:User_userboxes2&diff=143241Template:User userboxes22011-02-16T22:28:22Z<p>Breragor: Created page with "{{userbox | border-c= | id='''NO''' | id-c=#FFFFFF | id-fc= | info= This user '''dislikes''' userboxes | info-c=#C0C0C0 | info-fc=#000000 | info-fs=…"</p>
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<div>{{userbox<br />
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| id='''NO'''<br />
| id-c=#FFFFFF<br />
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| info= This user '''dislikes''' [[Tolkien Gateway:Userboxes|userboxes]]<br />
| info-c=#C0C0C0<br />
| info-fc=#000000<br />
| info-fs=9<br />
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<noinclude>{{clear}}<pre>{{user userboxes2}}</pre><br />
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[[Category:Userbox templates|Gatekeepers who dislike userboxes]]</noinclude></div>Breragorhttps://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=User:Breragor&diff=143240User:Breragor2011-02-16T22:18:10Z<p>Breragor: </p>
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<div>{{user infobox<br />
| image=<br />
| name= Breragor<br />
| othernames= Eruanne (Eruan)<br />
| language= English<br />
| birth= [[Third Age 1000]]<br />
| gender= Male<br />
| eyes = Primary<br />
| Talk page= [[User talk:Breragor]]<br />
| userboxes= {{user en-N}} <br />
{{User entwives3}}<br />
{{User balrogwings3}}<br />
{{User Númenor}}<br />
{{User orcs are elves}}<br />
{{User evil2}}<br />
| BG1=#228B22<br />
| BG2=#4169E1<br />
| BG3=<br />
| userboxheight= 294px<br />
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== Things ==<br />
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{{quote|In a hole in the ground there lived a Hobbit. Not a nasty, dirty, wet hole, filled with the ends of worms and oozy smell, nor yet a dry, bare, sandy hole with nothing in it to sit down on or to eat: it was a hobbit-hole and that means comfort.|[[The Hobbit]], "[[An Unexpected Party]]"}}<br />
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*[[Timeline/Third Age|The Third Age]] - The '''best''' Age.<br />
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{|<br />
|[[Image:Ted_Nasmith_-_Earendil_the_Mariner.jpg|left|thumb|300px|''Eärendil the Mariner'' by [[Ted Nasmith]]]]<br />
| width=100% | {{quote|The Sea! Alas! I have not yet beheld it. But deep in the hearts of all my kindred lies the sea-longing, which it is perilous to stir. Alas! for the gulls. No peace shall I have again under beech or under elm.|[[Legolas]], ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'', ''[[The Return of the King]]'', "[[The Last Debate]]"}}<br />
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{{quote|Gondor! Gondor, between the Mountains and the Sea!<br>West Wind blew there; light upon the Silver Tree|[[Aragorn]], ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'', ''[[The Two Towers]]'', "[[The Riders of Rohan]]"}}<br />
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== Userboxes ==<br />
<br><br />
<center>{{User userboxes}}</center><br><br><br />
I really like [[Tolkien Gateway:Userboxes|userboxes]]. Below you will find all the userboxes that I have made, which you are more than welcome to use!<br />
<br />
{{usbktop2}}<br />
{{usbk|User entwives3}}<br />
{{usbk|User balrogwings3}}<br />
{{usbk|User evil2}}<br />
{{usbkbottom}}<br />
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<center>{{Special:Editcount/Breragor}}</center></div>Breragorhttps://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Template:Usbktop2&diff=143239Template:Usbktop22011-02-16T22:14:32Z<p>Breragor: </p>
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{| style="background: transparent;"<br />
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</includeonly><noinclude>[[Category:Userbox templates]]</noinclude></div>Breragorhttps://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=User:Breragor&diff=143238User:Breragor2011-02-16T22:14:15Z<p>Breragor: </p>
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<div>{{user infobox<br />
| image=<br />
| name= Breragor<br />
| othernames= Eruanne (Eruan)<br />
| language= English<br />
| birth= [[Third Age 1000]]<br />
| gender= Male<br />
| eyes = Primary<br />
| Talk page= [[User talk:Breragor]]<br />
| userboxes= {{user en-N}} <br />
{{User entwives3}}<br />
{{User balrogwings3}}<br />
{{User Númenor}}<br />
{{User orcs are elves}}<br />
{{User evil2}}<br />
| BG1=#228B22<br />
| BG2=#4169E1<br />
| BG3=<br />
| userboxheight= 294px<br />
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== Things ==<br />
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{{quote|In a hole in the ground there lived a Hobbit. Not a nasty, dirty, wet hole, filled with the ends of worms and oozy smell, nor yet a dry, bare, sandy hole with nothing in it to sit down on or to eat: it was a hobbit-hole and that means comfort.|[[The Hobbit]], "[[An Unexpected Party]]"}}<br />
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*[[Timeline/Third Age|The Third Age]] - The '''best''' Age.<br />
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{|<br />
|[[Image:Ted_Nasmith_-_Earendil_the_Mariner.jpg|left|thumb|300px|''Eärendil the Mariner'' by [[Ted Nasmith]]]]<br />
| width=100% | {{quote|The Sea! Alas! I have not yet beheld it. But deep in the hearts of all my kindred lies the sea-longing, which it is perilous to stir. Alas! for the gulls. No peace shall I have again under beech or under elm.|[[Legolas]], ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'', ''[[The Return of the King]]'', "[[The Last Debate]]"}}<br />
|}<br />
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{{quote|Gondor! Gondor, between the Mountains and the Sea!<br>West Wind blew there; light upon the Silver Tree|[[Aragorn]], ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'', ''[[The Two Towers]]'', "[[The Riders of Rohan]]"}}<br />
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== Userboxes ==<br />
<br><br />
<center>{{User userboxes}}</center><br><br><br />
I really like [[Tolkien Gateway:Userboxes|userboxes]]. Below you will find all the userboxes that I have made, which you are more than welcome to use!<br />
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{{usbktop2}}<br />
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{{User entwives3}}<br />
{{User balrogwings3}}<br />
{{User evil2}}<br />
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<center>{{Special:Editcount/Breragor}}</center></div>Breragorhttps://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Template:Usbktop2&diff=143237Template:Usbktop22011-02-16T22:14:10Z<p>Breragor: </p>
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{| style="background: transparent;"<br />
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{| style="background: transparent;"<br />
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</includeonly><noinclude>[[Category:Userbox templates]]</noinclude></div>Breragorhttps://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ederchil&diff=143216User talk:Ederchil2011-02-15T21:46:59Z<p>Breragor: /* 2011 */</p>
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<center><br />
=Archive=<br />
'''[[User talk:Ederchil/2008|January 12, 2008 - December 19, 2008]]'''<br><br />
'''[[User talk:Ederchil/2009|January 9, 2009 - December 23, 2009]]'''<br><br />
'''[[User talk:Ederchil/2010|January 9, 2010 - November 19, 2010]]'''<br />
=2011=<br />
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== My User Page ==<br />
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Hey Ederchil, I'm having some trouble coding a couple things on my user page and I wanted to know if you could help me out and let me know how I can fix them? So, I'm trying to get the picture of Eärendil centered under Legolas' quote, and also, how could I get the quote to the left of the image? Lastly, how can I get Aragorn's quote on Gondor to stay below the picture without using so many "br" codes for spacing (if there is a way)? Thank you!! --{{User:Breragor/sig}} 19:31, 14 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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Also, I'm trying to make a heading for my "Userboxes" area. I'd like it to go beneath that with the titles "Code" and "Userbox." How can I make that and post userboxes beneath each column with their code also displayed? Thanks again!! --{{User:Breragor/sig}} 20:04, 14 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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:Better? -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 07:31, 15 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
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::Yeah, that helped a lot, thanks! But what of the userbox header? --{{User:Breragor/sig}} 21:46, 15 February 2011 (UTC)</div>Breragorhttps://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=User:Breragor&diff=143215User:Breragor2011-02-15T21:46:18Z<p>Breragor: </p>
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<div>{{user infobox<br />
| image=<br />
| name= Breragor<br />
| othernames= Eruanne (Eruan)<br />
| language= English<br />
| birth= [[Third Age 1000]]<br />
| gender= Male<br />
| eyes = Primary<br />
| Talk page= [[User talk:Breragor]]<br />
| userboxes= {{user en-N}} <br />
{{User entwives3}}<br />
{{User balrogwings3}}<br />
{{User Númenor}}<br />
{{User orcs are elves}}<br />
{{User evil2}}<br />
| BG1=#228B22<br />
| BG2=#4169E1<br />
| BG3=<br />
| userboxheight= 294px<br />
}}<br />
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== Things ==<br />
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{{quote|In a hole in the ground there lived a Hobbit. Not a nasty, dirty, wet hole, filled with the ends of worms and oozy smell, nor yet a dry, bare, sandy hole with nothing in it to sit down on or to eat: it was a hobbit-hole and that means comfort.|[[The Hobbit]], "[[An Unexpected Party]]"}}<br />
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<br><br />
*[[Timeline/Third Age|The Third Age]] - The '''best''' Age.<br />
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{|<br />
|[[Image:Ted_Nasmith_-_Earendil_the_Mariner.jpg|left|thumb|300px|''Eärendil the Mariner'' by [[Ted Nasmith]]]]<br />
| width=100% | {{quote|The Sea! Alas! I have not yet beheld it. But deep in the hearts of all my kindred lies the sea-longing, which it is perilous to stir. Alas! for the gulls. No peace shall I have again under beech or under elm.|[[Legolas]], ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'', ''[[The Return of the King]]'', "[[The Last Debate]]"}}<br />
|}<br />
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{{quote|Gondor! Gondor, between the Mountains and the Sea!<br>West Wind blew there; light upon the Silver Tree|[[Aragorn]], ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'', ''[[The Two Towers]]'', "[[The Riders of Rohan]]"}}<br />
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== Userboxes ==<br />
<br><br />
<center>{{User userboxes}}</center><br><br><br />
I really like [[Tolkien Gateway:Userboxes|userboxes]]. Below you will find all the userboxes that I have made, which you are more than welcome to use!<br />
<br />
<br><br><br><br><br />
{{User entwives3}}<br />
{{User balrogwings3}}<br />
{{User evil2}}<br />
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<center>{{Special:Editcount/Breragor}}</center></div>Breragorhttps://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=User:Breragor&diff=143159User:Breragor2011-02-15T02:01:56Z<p>Breragor: </p>
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<div>{{user infobox<br />
| image=<br />
| name= Breragor<br />
| othernames= Eruanne (Eruan)<br />
| language= English<br />
| birth= [[Third Age 1000]]<br />
| gender= Male<br />
| eyes = Primary<br />
| Talk page= [[User talk:Breragor]]<br />
| userboxes= {{user en-N}} <br />
{{User entwives3}}<br />
{{User balrogwings3}}<br />
{{User Númenor}}<br />
{{User orcs are elves}}<br />
{{User evil2}}<br />
| BG1=#228B22<br />
| BG2=#4169E1<br />
| BG3=<br />
| userboxheight= 294px<br />
}}<br />
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== Things ==<br />
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{{quote|In a hole in the ground there lived a Hobbit. Not a nasty, dirty, wet hole, filled with the ends of worms and oozy smell, nor yet a dry, bare, sandy hole with nothing in it to sit down on or to eat: it was a hobbit-hole and that means comfort.|[[The Hobbit]], "[[An Unexpected Party]]"}}<br />
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<br><br />
*[[Timeline/Third Age|The Third Age]] - The '''best''' Age.<br />
<br />
<br><br><br />
{{quote|The Sea! Alas! I have not yet beheld it. But deep in the hearts of all my kindred lies the sea-longing, which it is perilous to stir. Alas! for the gulls. No peace shall I have again under beech or under elm.|[[Legolas]], ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'', ''[[The Return of the King]]'', "[[The Last Debate]]"}}<br />
[[Image:Ted_Nasmith_-_Earendil_the_Mariner.jpg|left|thumb|250px|''Eärendil the Mariner'' by [[Ted Nasmith]]]]<br />
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<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br />
{{quote|Gondor! Gondor, between the Mountains and the Sea!<br>West Wind blew there; light upon the Silver Tree|[[Aragorn]], ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'', ''[[The Two Towers]]'', "[[The Riders of Rohan]]"}}<br />
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<br />
== Userboxes ==<br />
<br><br />
<center>{{User userboxes}}</center><br><br><br />
I really like [[Tolkien Gateway:Userboxes|userboxes]]. Below you will find all the userboxes that I have made, which you are more than welcome to use!<br />
<br />
<br><br><br><br><br />
{{User entwives3}}<br />
{{User balrogwings3}}<br />
{{User evil2}}<br />
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<center>{{Special:Editcount/Breragor}}</center></div>Breragorhttps://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ederchil&diff=143144User talk:Ederchil2011-02-14T20:04:54Z<p>Breragor: /* My User Page */</p>
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<div>{{usertalk}}<br />
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{| align="right"<br />
| __TOC__<br />
|}<br />
<center><br />
=Archive=<br />
'''[[User talk:Ederchil/2008|January 12, 2008 - December 19, 2008]]'''<br><br />
'''[[User talk:Ederchil/2009|January 9, 2009 - December 23, 2009]]'''<br><br />
'''[[User talk:Ederchil/2010|January 9, 2010 - November 19, 2010]]'''<br />
=2011=<br />
</center><br />
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<br />
== My User Page ==<br />
<br />
Hey Ederchil, I'm having some trouble coding a couple things on my user page and I wanted to know if you could help me out and let me know how I can fix them? So, I'm trying to get the picture of Eärendil centered under Legolas' quote, and also, how could I get the quote to the left of the image? Lastly, how can I get Aragorn's quote on Gondor to stay below the picture without using so many "br" codes for spacing (if there is a way)? Thank you!! --{{User:Breragor/sig}} 19:31, 14 February 2011 (UTC)<br />
<br />
Also, I'm trying to make a heading for my "Userboxes" area. I'd like it to go beneath that with the titles "Code" and "Userbox." How can I make that and post userboxes beneath each column with their code also displayed? Thanks again!! --{{User:Breragor/sig}} 20:04, 14 February 2011 (UTC)</div>Breragorhttps://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=User:Breragor&diff=143143User:Breragor2011-02-14T20:03:03Z<p>Breragor: </p>
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<div>{{user infobox<br />
| image=<br />
| name= Breragor<br />
| othernames= Eruanne (Eruan)<br />
| language= English<br />
| birth= [[Third Age 1000]]<br />
| gender= Male<br />
| eyes = Primary<br />
| Talk page= [[User talk:Breragor]]<br />
| userboxes= {{user en-N}} <br />
{{User entwives3}}<br />
{{User balrogwings3}}<br />
{{User Númenor}}<br />
{{User orcs are elves}}<br />
{{User evil2}}<br />
| BG1=#228B22<br />
| BG2=#4169E1<br />
| BG3=<br />
| userboxheight= 294px<br />
}}<br />
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== Things ==<br />
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{{quote|In a hole in the ground there lived a Hobbit. Not a nasty, dirty, wet hole, filled with the ends of worms and oozy smell, nor yet a dry, bare, sandy hole with nothing in it to sit down on or to eat: it was a hobbit-hole and that means comfort.|[[The Hobbit]], "[[An Unexpected Party]]"}}<br />
<br />
<br><br />
*[[Timeline/Third Age|The Third Age]] - The '''best''' Age.<br />
<br />
<br><br><br />
{{quote|The Sea! Alas! I have not yet beheld it. But deep in the hearts of all my kindred lies the sea-longing, which it is perilous to stir. Alas! for the gulls. No peace shall I have again under beech or under elm.|[[Legolas]], ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'', ''[[The Return of the King]]'', "[[The Last Debate]]"}}<br />
[[Image:Ted_Nasmith_-_Earendil_the_Mariner.jpg|left|thumb|250px|''Eärendil the Mariner'' by [[Ted Nasmith]]]]<br />
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<br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br><br />
{{quote|Gondor! Gondor, between the Mountains and the Sea!<br>West Wind blew there; light upon the Silver Tree|[[Aragorn]], ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'', ''[[The Two Towers]]'', "[[The Riders of Rohan]]"}}<br />
<br />
<br />
== Userboxes ==<br />
<br><br />
<center>{{User userboxes}}</center><br><br><br />
I really like [[Tolkien Gateway:Userboxes|userboxes]]. Below you will find all the userboxes that I have made, which you are more than welcome to use!<br />
<br />
<br><br><br><br><br />
{{User entwives3}}<br />
{{User balrogwings3}}<br />
{{User evil2}}<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
<br />
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<center>{{Special:Editcount/Breragor}}</center></div>Breragorhttps://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Template:User_userboxes&diff=143142Template:User userboxes2011-02-14T20:00:44Z<p>Breragor: Created page with "{{userbox | border-c= | id= '''YES''' | id-c=#FFFFFF | id-fc= | info=This user '''likes''' userboxes. | info-c=#C0C0C0 | info-fc=#000000 | info-fs=9…"</p>
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<div>{{userbox<br />
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| id= '''YES'''<br />
| id-c=#FFFFFF<br />
| id-fc=<br />
| info=This user '''likes''' [[Tolkien Gateway:Userboxes|userboxes]].<br />
| info-c=#C0C0C0<br />
| info-fc=#000000<br />
| info-fs=9<br />
}}<br />
<noinclude>{{clear}}<pre>{{user userboxes}}</pre><br />
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[[Category:Userbox templates|Gatekeepers who like userboxes]]</noinclude></div>Breragorhttps://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ederchil&diff=143140User talk:Ederchil2011-02-14T19:31:53Z<p>Breragor: /* My User Page */ new section</p>
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{| align="right"<br />
| __TOC__<br />
|}<br />
<center><br />
=Archive=<br />
'''[[User talk:Ederchil/2008|January 12, 2008 - December 19, 2008]]'''<br><br />
'''[[User talk:Ederchil/2009|January 9, 2009 - December 23, 2009]]'''<br><br />
'''[[User talk:Ederchil/2010|January 9, 2010 - November 19, 2010]]'''<br />
=2011=<br />
</center><br />
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== My User Page ==<br />
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Hey Ederchil, I'm having some trouble coding a couple things on my user page and I wanted to know if you could help me out and let me know how I can fix them? So, I'm trying to get the picture of Eärendil centered under Legolas' quote, and also, how could I get the quote to the left of the image? Lastly, how can I get Aragorn's quote on Gondor to stay below the picture without using so many "br" codes for spacing (if there is a way)? Thank you!! --{{User:Breragor/sig}} 19:31, 14 February 2011 (UTC)</div>Breragorhttps://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=User:Breragor&diff=143081User:Breragor2011-02-13T19:07:18Z<p>Breragor: </p>
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| name= Breragor<br />
| othernames= Eruanne (Eruan)<br />
| language= English<br />
| birth= [[Third Age 1000]]<br />
| gender= Male<br />
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== Things ==<br />
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{{quote|In a hole in the ground there lived a Hobbit. Not a nasty, dirty, wet hole, filled with the ends of worms and oozy smell, nor yet a dry, bare, sandy hole with nothing in it to sit down on or to eat: it was a hobbit-hole and that means comfort.|[[The Hobbit]], "[[An Unexpected Party]]"}}<br />
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*[[Timeline/Third Age|The Third Age]] - The '''best''' Age.<br />
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{{quote|The Sea! Alas! I have not yet beheld it. But deep in the hearts of all my kindred lies the sea-longing, which it is perilous to stir. Alas! for the gulls. No peace shall I have again under beech or under elm.|[[Legolas]], ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'', ''[[The Return of the King]]'', "[[The Last Debate]]"}}<br />
[[Image:Ted_Nasmith_-_Earendil_the_Mariner.jpg|left|thumb|250px|''Eärendil the Mariner'' by [[Ted Nasmith]]]]<br />
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{{quote|Gondor! Gondor, between the Mountains and the Sea!<br>West Wind blew there; light upon the Silver Tree|[[Aragorn]], ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'', ''[[The Two Towers]]'', "[[The Riders of Rohan]]"}}<br />
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<center>{{Special:Editcount/Breragor}}</center></div>Breragorhttps://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=User:Breragor&diff=143050User:Breragor2011-02-13T18:50:56Z<p>Breragor: </p>
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<div>{{user infobox<br />
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| name= Breragor<br />
| othernames= Eruanne (Eruan)<br />
| language= English<br />
| birth= [[Third Age 1000]]<br />
| gender= Male<br />
| eyes = Primary<br />
| Talk page= [[User talk:Breragor]]<br />
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{{quote|In a hole in the ground there lived a Hobbit. Not a nasty, dirty, wet hole, filled with the ends of worms and oozy smell, nor yet a dry, bare, sandy hole with nothing in it to sit down on or to eat: it was a hobbit-hole and that means comfort.|[[The Hobbit]], "[[An Unexpected Party]]"}}<br />
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*[[Timeline/Third Age|The Third Age]] - The '''best''' Age.<br />
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{{quote|The Sea! Alas! I have not yet beheld it. But deep in the hearts of all my kindred lies the sea-longing, which it is perilous to stir. Alas! for the gulls. No peace shall I have again under beech or under elm.|[[Legolas]], ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'', ''[[The Return of the King]]'', "[[The Last Debate]]"}}<br />
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<center>{{Special:Editcount/Breragor}}</center></div>Breragorhttps://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=User:Breragor&diff=142896User:Breragor2011-02-12T19:17:26Z<p>Breragor: </p>
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<div>{{user infobox<br />
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| name= Breragor<br />
| othernames= Eruanne (Eruan)<br />
| language= English<br />
| birth= [[Third Age 1000]]<br />
| gender= Male<br />
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{{quote|In a hole in the ground there lived a Hobbit. Not a nasty, dirty, wet hole, filled with the ends of worms and oozy smell, nor yet a dry, bare, sandy hole with nothing in it to sit down on or to eat: it was a hobbit-hole and that means comfort.|[[The Hobbit]], "[[An Unexpected Party]]"}}<br />
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*[[Timeline/Third Age|The Third Age]] - The '''best''' Age.<br />
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<center>{{Special:Editcount/Breragor}}</center></div>Breragorhttps://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=User:Breragor&diff=142895User:Breragor2011-02-12T19:16:35Z<p>Breragor: </p>
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<div>{{user infobox<br />
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| name= Breragor<br />
| othernames= Eruanne (Eruan)<br />
| language= English<br />
| birth= [[Third Age 1000]]<br />
| gender= Male<br />
| eyes = Primary<br />
| Talk page= [[User talk:Breragor]]<br />
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{{quote|In a hole in the ground there lived a Hobbit. Not a nasty, dirty, wet hole, filled with the ends of worms and oozy smell, nor yet a dry, bare, sandy hole with nothing in it to sit down on or to eat: it was a hobbit-hole and that means comfort.|[[The Hobbit]], "[[An Unexpected Party]]"}}<br />
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*[[Timeline/Third Age|The Third Age]] - The '''best''' Age.<br />
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<center>{{Special:Editcount/Breragor}}</center></div>Breragorhttps://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=User:Breragor&diff=142846User:Breragor2011-02-12T01:49:01Z<p>Breragor: </p>
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| othernames= Eruanne (Eruan)<br />
| language= English<br />
| birth= [[Third Age 1000]]<br />
| gender= Male<br />
| eyes = Primary<br />
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<center>{{Special:Editcount/Breragor}}</center></div>Breragorhttps://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=User:Breragor&diff=142785User:Breragor2011-02-10T22:58:42Z<p>Breragor: </p>
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<div>{{user infobox<br />
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| name= Breragor<br />
| othernames= Eruanne (Eruan)<br />
| language= English<br />
| birth= [[Third Age 1000]]<br />
| gender= Male<br />
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| Talk page= [[User talk:Breragor]]<br />
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