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		<id>https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Methedras&amp;diff=437484</id>
		<title>Methedras</title>
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		<updated>2026-04-16T04:37:21Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Brightgalrs: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;{{location infobox&lt;br /&gt;
| name=Methedras&lt;br /&gt;
| image=The Lord of the Rings Online - Methedras.jpg&lt;br /&gt;
| caption=Methedras in &#039;&#039;[[The Lord of the Rings Online]]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
| pronun={{respell|meth|ed|ras}}&lt;br /&gt;
| othernames=Last Mountain&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;{{TT|Treebeard}}, p. 470&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
| location=Southernmost peak of the [[Misty Mountains]]&lt;br /&gt;
| type=Mountain&lt;br /&gt;
| description=&lt;br /&gt;
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| towns=&lt;br /&gt;
| inhabitants=&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;Methedras&#039;&#039;&#039; ([[Sindarin]] for &amp;quot;Last Peak&amp;quot;) was the southernmost peak of the [[Misty Mountains]].&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;{{TT|Riders}}, p. 429&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Upon its eastern slopes sprang the [[Entwash]] River, which flowed into the western edge of [[Fangorn Forest]], growing about the base of the mountain.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;{{TT|Treebeard}}, p. 469&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
To the south, Methedras stood above [[Isengard]] in the valley of [[Nan Curunír]]. The sources of the river [[Isen]] were at the southern end of the [[Misty Mountains]], probably on the southern slopes of Methedras.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Christopher Tolkien]], [[General Map of Middle-earth]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; On [[3 March]] {{TA|3019}}&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;{{App|Great}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; the [[Ents]] diverted the waters of the Isen to flow into Isengard, flooding its pits and creating a lake about the tower.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;{{TT|Flotsam}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Etymology==&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;Methedras&#039;&#039; is a [[Sindarin]] name,&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Eldamo&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{webcite|author=Paul Strack|articleurl=https://www.eldamo.org/content/words/word-743583263.html|articlename=S. &#039;&#039;Methedras&#039;&#039; loc.|website=Eldamo|accessed=28 May 2025}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; which means &amp;quot;Last Peak&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;{{HM|UI}}, entry &#039;&#039;Methedras&#039;&#039;, p. 366&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;, It is probably a combination of &#039;&#039;[[methed]]&#039;&#039; (&amp;quot;end&amp;quot;) and &#039;&#039;[[ras]]&#039;&#039; (&amp;quot;horn&amp;quot;).&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Eldamo&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Other versions of the legendarium==&lt;br /&gt;
In the draft version of &amp;quot;[[The Riders of Rohan]]&amp;quot;, &#039;&#039;Methedras&#039;&#039; was named &#039;&#039;Methen Amon&#039;&#039;.  This name would be changed to &#039;&#039;Methendol&#039;&#039; before the final name of &#039;&#039;Methedras&#039;&#039; was adopted.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;{{TI|XX}}, note 18&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Portrayal in adaptations==&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;2011: &#039;&#039;[[The Lord of the Rings Online]]&#039;&#039;:&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
:In addition to being prominently visible from within [[Isengard]], the western slope of the mountain is explorable as the &amp;quot;Tâl Methedras&amp;quot; area, home to the &amp;quot;Tûr Morva&amp;quot; village of the [[Dunlendings]].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
{{references}}&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Mountains]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Sindarin locations]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[de:Methedras]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[fi:Methedras]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[fr:encyclo/geographie/reliefs/monts brumeux/methedras]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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	<entry>
		<id>https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Paladin_Took_II&amp;diff=378641</id>
		<title>Paladin Took II</title>
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		<updated>2023-08-14T03:21:14Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Brightgalrs: /* Becoming Thain */ I think this explains things a little better&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;{{hobbit infobox&lt;br /&gt;
| name=Paladin Took II&lt;br /&gt;
| image=[[File:PaladinTook.jpg|250px]]&lt;br /&gt;
| caption=Paladin Took from &#039;&#039;[[The Lord of the Rings Online]]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
| pronun=&lt;br /&gt;
| othernames=&lt;br /&gt;
| titles=[[Thain]] of [[the Shire]]&lt;br /&gt;
| position=&lt;br /&gt;
| location=[[Great Smials]], [[Tuckborough]]&lt;br /&gt;
| affiliation=&lt;br /&gt;
| language=&lt;br /&gt;
| birth={{SR|1333}}&lt;br /&gt;
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| rule={{SR|1415}} - {{SR|1434|n}}&lt;br /&gt;
| death={{SR|1434}}&lt;br /&gt;
| deathlocation=&lt;br /&gt;
| age=101&lt;br /&gt;
| notablefor=&lt;br /&gt;
| family=[[Took Family|Took]]&lt;br /&gt;
| parentage=[[Adalgrim Took]]&lt;br /&gt;
| siblings=[[Esmeralda Took|Esmeralda]]&lt;br /&gt;
| spouse=[[Eglantine Banks]]&lt;br /&gt;
| children=[[Pearl Took|Pearl]], [[Pimpernel Took|Pimpernel]], [[Pervinca Took|Pervinca]] and [[Peregrin Took|Peregrin]]&lt;br /&gt;
| gender=Male&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;Paladin Took II&#039;&#039;&#039; was the thirty-first [[Thain]] of [[the Shire]]. He was the father of [[Peregrin Took]].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==History==&lt;br /&gt;
===Family===&lt;br /&gt;
Paladin was born in {{SR|1333}} being the son and heir of [[Adalgrim Took]], and a great-grandchild of the [[Gerontius Took|Old Took]]. He married [[Eglantine Banks]], and they had several children together: [[Pearl Took|Pearl]] (born {{SR|1375|n}}) followed by [[Pimpernel Took|Pimpernel]] ({{SR|1379|n}}) and [[Pervinca Took|Pervinca]] ({{SR|1385|n}}). [[Peregrin Took|Peregrin]] ({{SR|1390|n}}) was younger, but would be Paladin&#039;s heir.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Took&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{App|Took}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Becoming Thain===&lt;br /&gt;
Paladin was a direct descendant of the [[Gerontius Took|Old Took]], one of his great grandsons. He was member of a junior branch of the Took family, where [[Hildigrim Took|Hildigrim]] was head of that branch.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Took&amp;quot;/&amp;gt; He became a farmer, farming the lands around [[Whitwell]] near [[Tuckborough]].&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;{{RK|MT}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Never did he expect to become Thain as at the time of his birth the Thainship was in the hands of, [[Isumbras Took IV|Isumbras IV]], his great uncle. Isumbras IV&#039;s succession appeared secure since he had both a son and grandson, [[Fortinbras Took II|Fortinbras II]] and [[Ferumbras Took III|Ferumbras III]]. However, Ferumbras III died without an heir in {{SR|1415}} and Fortinbras II had had no other sons, so the Thainship passed to Paladin, the most senior male-line relative.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;L214&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{L|214}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===War of the Ring===&lt;br /&gt;
Paladin never agreed with [[Lotho Sackville-Baggins]]&#039; attempt to take over [[the Shire]] as he believed that if anyone were going to the &amp;quot;Chief&amp;quot; it should be the legitimate [[Thain of the Shire]], therefore Paladin and the other Tooks stood up to Lotho and his [[Ruffians]]. The [[Took Family|Took]]s hid in their deep dwellings of [[Great Smials]], and the ruffians could not get them, and if any ruffians were found in the [[Tookland]] they were shot and killed, an act which led the ruffians to become harsher.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Scouring&amp;quot;&amp;gt;{{RK|Scouring}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
At this time, Paladin&#039;s son [[Peregrin Took|Peregrin]] and [[Travellers|three other hobbits]], were lost in the [[Old Forest]] by all accounts. Their return was unexpected, but Paladin fully embraced their suggestion to drive out the Ruffians. He sent a hundred Tooks with his son to the [[Battle of Bywater]], and commanded the remainder of his troops cleaning up the area south of the village.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Scouring&amp;quot;/&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Death===&lt;br /&gt;
Paladin died in {{SR|1434}} at the age of 101, and after having been Thain for nineteen years, he was succeeded by his son who became Thain Peregrin I.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Took&amp;quot;/&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Etymology==&lt;br /&gt;
A &amp;quot;[[wikipedia:Paladin|paladin]]&amp;quot; is a high office which existed in medieval Europe - which entered into many tales - and was a noble office held by an honourable and valiant knight. In particular, a paladin was one of the twelve peers of Charlemagne&#039;s court. The term comes from the Latin &#039;&#039;palatinus&#039;&#039; which means &amp;quot;of the palace&amp;quot;.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Jim Allan]] (ed.), &#039;&#039;[[An Introduction to Elvish]]&#039;&#039;, &amp;quot;Giving of Names&amp;quot;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Genealogy==&lt;br /&gt;
{{familytree/start|style=white-space: nowrap;}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{familytree | | | | | OLD | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | |OLD=[[Gerontius Took|The Old Took]]&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;{{SR|1190|n}} - {{SR|1320|n}}&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{familytree | |,|-|-|-|+|-|-|-|-|-|.| | | | | | | | | | | |}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{familytree | ISE | | ISU | | | | HIL |y|ROS  | | | | | | |ISE=[[Isengrim Took III|Isengrim III]]&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;{{SR|1232|n}} - {{SR|1330|n}}&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;|ISU=[[Isumbras Took IV|Isumbras IV]]&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;{{SR|1238|n}} - {{SR|1339|n}}&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;|HIL=[[Hildigrim Took|Hildigrim]]&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;{{SR|1240|n}} - {{SR|1341|n}}&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;|ROS=[[Rosa Baggins]]&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;{{SR|1256|n}} - unknown&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{familytree | | | | | |!| | | | | | | |!| | | | | | | | | |}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{familytree | | | | | FOR | | | | | | ADA | | | | | | | | |FOR=[[Fortinbras Took II|Fortinbras II]]&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;{{SR|1278|n}} - {{SR|1380|n}}&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;|ADA=[[Adalgrim Took|Adalgrim]]&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;{{SR|1280|n}} - {{SR|1382|n}}&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{familytree | | | | | |!| | | |,|-|-|-|+|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|.| |}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{familytree | | | | | FER | | DAU | | PAL |y| EGL | | ESM | FER=[[Ferumbras Took III|Ferumbras III]]&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;{{SR|1316|n}} - {{SR|1415|n}}&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;|DAU=&#039;&#039;3 daughters&#039;&#039;|PAL=&#039;&#039;&#039;PALADIN II&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;{{SR|1333|n}} - {{SR|1434|n}}&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;|ESM=[[Esmeralda Took|Esmeralda]]&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;{{SR|1336|n}} - unknown&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;|EGL=[[Eglantine Banks]]&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;unknown&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{familytree | | | |,|-|-|-|v|-|-|-|v|-|-|-|(| | | | | |!| |}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{familytree | | | PEA | | PIM | | PER | | PIP | | | | MER | PEA=[[Pearl Took|Pearl]]&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;{{SR|1375|n}} - unknown&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;|PIM=[[Pimpernel Took|Pimpernel]]&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;{{SR|1379|n}} - unknown&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;|PER=[[Pervinca Took|Pervinca]]&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;{{SR|1385|n}} - unknown&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;|PIP=[[Peregrin Took|Peregrin I]]&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;{{SR|1390|n}} - {{SR|1484|n}}+&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;|MER=[[Meriadoc Brandybuck|Meriadoc]]&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;{{SR|1382|n}} - {{SR|1484|n}}+&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;|DA2=&#039;&#039;3 daughters&#039;&#039;}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{familytree/end}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{references}}&lt;br /&gt;
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| prev=[[Ferumbras Took III]]&lt;br /&gt;
| list=31st [[Thain]] of [[The Shire]]&lt;br /&gt;
| dates={{SR|1415}} - {{SR|1434|n}}&lt;br /&gt;
| next=[[Peregrin Took|Peregrin Took I]]&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:Fourth Age characters]]&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:Hobbits]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Thains]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Third Age characters]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Took]]&lt;br /&gt;
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[[de:Paladin Tuk II.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[fi:Paladin II Tuk]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[fr:encyclo/personnages/hobbits/touque/paladin_ii]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Brightgalrs</name></author>
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	<entry>
		<id>https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Days_before_days&amp;diff=375038</id>
		<title>Days before days</title>
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		<updated>2023-06-10T20:12:27Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Brightgalrs: Being bold and changing over to &amp;quot;Days before days&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;{{History of Arda}}&lt;br /&gt;
The &#039;&#039;&#039;Days before days&#039;&#039;&#039; (informally known as the &#039;&#039;&#039;Years of the Lamps&#039;&#039;&#039;) began shortly after the creation of Arda by the [[Valar]]. After they entered the world, Arda was still lifeless and had no distinct geographical features. The initial shape of Arda, chosen by the Valar, was of a symmetrical continent lit by [[Two Lamps|two lamps]]: one in the continent&#039;s north, and one in the south, made out of the misty light that veiled the barren ground. The Valar concentrated this light into two large lamps, [[Illuin]] and [[Ormal]].  The Vala [[Aulë]] forged great towers, one in the north, [[Helcar]], and another in the south, [[Ringil (tower)|Ringil]]. In the middle, where the light of the lamps mingled, the Valar dwelt at the island of [[Almaren]].&lt;br /&gt;
 &lt;br /&gt;
The lamps were destroyed by an assault by [[Morgoth|Melkor]]. Arda was again darkened, and the lamps&#039; fall spoiled the perfect symmetry of Arda&#039;s surface. Separate continents were created: [[Aman]] in the far West, [[Middle-earth]] in the middle, the [[Land of the Sun]] in the far East, and the [[Dark Land]] in the far South. At the site of the northern lamp was later the inland [[Sea of Helcar]], of which [[Cuiviénen]] was a bay. The [[Years of the Trees]] begin after that.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;{{S|Days}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Other versions of the legendarium==&lt;br /&gt;
In Tolkien&#039;s latest writings in which Arda was a [[Round World version of the Silmarillion|round world]] from its beginning, the Sun and Moon (and the [[Two Trees]] for a time) had always given light to Arda, and the Two Lamps never existed.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;{{MR|Myths}}, p. 375 - 385&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==See also==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Timeline#Days before days|Timeline of the Days before days]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
{{references}}&lt;br /&gt;
[[category:Ages]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[de:Die Zeitalter vor den Tagen]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[fi:Alkuajat]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Brightgalrs</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Timeline&amp;diff=375037</id>
		<title>Timeline</title>
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		<updated>2023-06-10T19:39:35Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Brightgalrs: /* Years of the Lamps */ Years of the Lamps -&amp;gt; Days before days. Article is still called Years of the Lamps, so keeping the wikilink piped.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;{{Cleanup}}&amp;lt;!-- Broad reference section should be replaced by legitimate citations --&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
==[[Years of the Lamps|Days before days]]==&lt;br /&gt;
:&#039;&#039;All dates in this section are approximate. Calculated Sun years for the Days before days and the Years of Trees are rounded to the nearest year.&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;ref group=&amp;quot;Note&amp;quot;&amp;gt;One [[Valian Years|Valian Year]] is equal to 9.582 Sun Years.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
{| rules=&amp;quot;all&amp;quot; style=&amp;quot;border:1px solid darkgrey; border-collapse:collapse&amp;quot; cellpadding=&amp;quot;3&amp;quot; cellspacing=&amp;quot;0&amp;quot; width=&amp;quot;100%&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
| colspan=&amp;quot;3&amp;quot; style=&amp;quot;background:gray; color:white; text-align:center&amp;quot; | &#039;&#039;&#039;Days before days&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
|- &lt;br /&gt;
| style=&amp;quot;background:lightgrey; text-align:center&amp;quot; | &#039;&#039;&#039;Valian Year&#039;&#039;&#039; &lt;br /&gt;
| style=&amp;quot;background:lightgrey; text-align:center&amp;quot; | &#039;&#039;&#039;Calculated Sun Years&#039;&#039;&#039; &lt;br /&gt;
| style=&amp;quot;background:lightgrey; text-align:center&amp;quot; | &#039;&#039;&#039;Event&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| align=&amp;quot;center&amp;quot; colspan=&amp;quot;3&amp;quot; | &#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;[[Music of the Ainur|Ainulindalë]]&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039; ; The [[Ainur]] enter [[Eä]].&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| 1–1499 || 1-14,363 || The [[First War]] and the [[Arda Marred|Marring of Arda]].&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| 1500 || 14,373 || [[Tulkas]] enters [[Arda]] and [[Morgoth|Melkor]] flees.&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| &#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;1900&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039; || &#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;18,206&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039; || The completion of [[Arda]]. The [[Valar]] create the [[Two Lamps]] and settle at [[Almaren]]. &#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;Beginning of the [[Spring of Arda]].&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| 3400 || 32,579 || [[Tulkas]] weds [[Nessa]]. [[Morgoth|Melkor]] secretly returns to [[Arda]], raises the [[Iron Mountains]] and delves [[Utumno]]. This partly blights the [[Spring of Arda]].&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| &#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;3450&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039; || &#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;33,058&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039; || [[Morgoth|Melkor]] overthrows the [[Two Lamps]], forming the Seas of [[Sea of Helcar|Helcar]] and [[Sea of Ringil|Ringil]]. [[Almaren]] is destroyed. In order to preserve life on the earth, [[Yavanna]] sets most living things into a [[Sleep of Yavanna|long sleep]]. &#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;End of the [[Spring of Arda]].&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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| 3450–3500 || 33,058-33,537 || The [[Valar]] raise the [[Pelóri]] and settle in [[Aman]]. The [[Two Trees]] are grown in [[Valinor]].&lt;br /&gt;
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== [[Years of the Trees]] ==&lt;br /&gt;
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| colspan=&amp;quot;3&amp;quot; style=&amp;quot;background:gray; color:white; text-align:center&amp;quot; | &#039;&#039;&#039;Years of the Trees&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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| style=&amp;quot;background:lightgrey; text-align:center&amp;quot; | &#039;&#039;&#039;Year of the Trees&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
| style=&amp;quot;background:lightgrey; text-align:center&amp;quot; | &#039;&#039;&#039;Calculated Sun Years&#039;&#039;&#039;  &lt;br /&gt;
| style=&amp;quot;background:lightgrey; text-align:center&amp;quot; | &#039;&#039;&#039;Event&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Year of the Trees 1|1]] || 1 || &#039;&#039;&#039;[[Yavanna]] creates the [[Two Trees]] amidst the hill of [[Ezellohar]] in [[Valinor]].&#039;&#039;&#039; With [[Telperion]]&#039;s first blooming the new [[Time|Count of Time]] begins.&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;Over the many centuries, [[Morgoth|Melkor]] sleeps in [[Utumno]]. [[Oromë]] hunts throughout [[Middle-earth]]. Melkor raises the [[Misty Mountains|Hithaeglir]] to hinder his efforts.&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Year of the Trees 1000|1000]] || 9582 || The [[Valar]] hold council, for [[Yavanna]] and [[Oromë]] report that [[Melkor]] might rise once more in power.  They discuss the [[Children of Ilúvatar]].  Over the next fifty years, [[Varda]] fashions new stars and begins to organize them and those already wrought into [[:Category:Constellations|constellations]].&amp;lt;br/&amp;gt;&#039;&#039;&#039;Some time before the waking of the Elves, [[Aulë]] secretly creates the 7 [[Fathers of the Dwarves]] and their 6 spouses. Ilúvatar adopts them and they are put to sleep.&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Year of the Trees 1050|1050]] || 10,061 || [[Varda]] forms the [[Valacirca]]. &#039;&#039;&#039;The first 144 [[Elves]] ([[Minyar]], [[Tatyar]], and [[Nelyar]]) awake in [[Cuiviénen]].&#039;&#039;&#039; [[Melian]] travels to [[Beleriand]] after ascending [[Taniquetil]] to see the stars.&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Year of the Trees 1080|1080]] || 10,349 || Spies of Melkor discover the Elves and afflict them. It is possible through the torture of Melkor that [[Orcs]] are first created.&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Year of the Trees 1085|1085]] || 10,396 || [[Oromë]] discovers the [[Elves]], and calls them the [[Eldar]]. The Eldar are afraid of Oromë and blame him for [[Morgoth|Melkor]]&#039;s work.  &lt;br /&gt;
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| [[Year of the Trees 1086|1086]] || 10,406 || [[Oromë]] returns to [[Valinor]] and witnesses to his peers about the Children of Ilúvatar.  Oromë returns to the [[Elves]] while the Valar consider his message.&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Year of the Trees 1090|1090]] || 10,444 || The [[Valar]] make war on [[Morgoth|Melkor]] in the [[Battle of the Powers]]. The earth is shaken. The shores of Beleriand are formed and bays are created on the North. Over the next two years, Melkor is defeated and retreats into [[Utumno]].&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Year of the Trees 1092|1092]] || 10,464|| The siege of Utumno begins. The North is desolated and the Sea widened.&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Year of the Trees 1099|1099]] || 10,530 || The [[Battle of the Powers]] ends as the Valar storm the final defenses of [[Utumno]]. [[Tulkas]] captures [[Morgoth|Melkor]] and binds him with [[Angainor]]. [[Sauron]] evades capture. &lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Year of the Trees 1100|1100]] || 10,540 || [[Morgoth|Melkor]] is brought back to Valinor, judged and cast into the [[Halls of Mandos]] for three Ages of the Valar (300 Valian Years).&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Year of the Trees 1101|1101]] || 10,550 || The [[Valar]] make council about the protection of the [[Children of Ilúvatar]] and decide to bring them to Valinor. Oromë extends this invitation to the Elves.&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Year of the Trees 1102|1102]] || 10,559 || The Elves are unwilling to leave [[Cuiviénen]]. Oromë invites three Elven ambassadors, [[Ingwë]], [[Finwë]] and [[Elwë]] to come to Valinor with the hope that they can convince their people to come as well.&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Year of the Trees 1104|1104]] || 10,579 || The ambassadors return to [[Cuiviénen]] and invite the Elves to return with them to Valinor.&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Year of the Trees 1105|1105]] || 10,588 || First [[Sundering of the Elves]] at [[Cuiviénen]]. The [[Vanyar]] led by Ingwë, the [[Noldor]] led by [[Finwë]] and the [[Teleri]] led by Elwë and [[Olwë]]. The [[Avari]], led by [[Morwë]] and [[Nurwë]], stay in Cuiviénen.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;The [[Eldar]] depart, pass [[Sea of Helcar]] and turn west. Some are terrified by the smokes of war and go back.&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Year of the Trees 1115|1115]] || 10,684 || Second [[Sundering of the Elves]]: The [[Eldar]] host passes [[Mirkwood|Greenwood]] the Great and comes to the River [[Anduin]]. Some Eldar, afterwards known as Lindar, wish to stay there. Terrified by the [[Misty Mountains|Hithaeglir]], [[Nandor|a part]] of them go south led by [[Lenwë]].&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Year of the Trees 1125|1125]] || 10,780 || The [[Vanyar]] and [[Noldor]] enter [[Beleriand]]; the foremost of them pass [[Sirion]] and reach the shores. Oromë goes to Aman for counsel.&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Year of the Trees 1128|1128]] || 10,808 || The unwilling Teleri also come to Beleriand and dwell east of [[Gelion]]. Elwë keeps friendship with Finwë and the Noldor to the west.&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Year of the Trees 1130|1130]] || 10,828 || Elwë, returning from a meeting with Finwë, meets Melian in [[Nan Elmoth]]. They fall into a trance.&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Year of the Trees 1132|1132]] || 10,847 || [[Ulmo]] brings [[Tol Eressëa|an island]] to the [[Bay of Balar]]. The Vanyar and Noldor forget their fear for the Sea and embark upon it while the Teleri stay in Beleriand to look for Elwë.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;While departing, the island breaks and leaves the [[Isle of Balar]] behind.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;After learning of the departure of the Vanyar and Noldor, Olwë leads some Teleri to the western shores where they meet [[Ossë]] and [[Uinen]].&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Year of the Trees 1133|1133]] || 10,856 || The [[Vanyar]] and [[Noldor]] enter [[Valinor]] and build [[Eldamar]]. The Valar open the rift [[Calacirya]] in Pelóri so that the [[Light of Valinor]] reaches Eldamar. The Elves begin the building of [[Tirion]] on the hill [[Túna]] inside Calacirya.&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Year of the Trees 1140|1140]] || 10,923 || The [[Vanyar]] and [[Noldor]] found [[Tirion]] and [[Mindon Eldaliéva]]. Some Vanyar yearn for the Trees and move closer to Valinor.&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Year of the Trees 1142|1142]] || 10,943 || [[Yavanna]] gives the [[Noldor]] the [[Galathilion|White Tree]].&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Year of the Trees 1149|1149]] || 11,010 || Finwë prays to Ulmo to bring the Teleri to Valinor. However, Ossë is grieved to lose the Teleri and persuades some to stay with him in Beleriand. These are called the Falathrim afterwards. [[Círdan]] of the Falathrim establishes the havens of [[Brithombar]] and [[Eglarest]]. [[Ossë]] teaches them shipcraft.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Year of the Trees 1150|1150]] || 11,019 || [[Olwë]] and the most part of the Teleri leave Beleriand on Tol Eressëa. The rest of the Teleri remain to search for Elwë and are named the [[Eglath]].&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Year of the Trees 1151|1151]] || 11,029 || [[Ossë]] convinces [[Ulmo]] to halt Tol Eressëa outside the [[Bay of Eldamar]]. The Teleri who choose to remain on the island are afterwards named the [[Falmari]].&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Year of the Trees 1152|1152]] || 11,038 || [[Elwë]] and [[Melian]] awaken from their trance. [[Elwë]], now silver-haired, becomes the King of the Elves in [[Beleriand]].&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Year of the Trees 1161|1161]] || 11,125 || [[Ossë]] teaches the [[Teleri]] how to build ships. They leave Tol Eressëa and come to Valinor.&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Year of the Trees 1162|1162]] || 11,134 || The [[Teleri]] found [[Alqualondë]] with the help of [[Finwë]].&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Year of the Trees 1165|1165]] || 11,163 || The [[Vanyar]] depart from [[Tirion]] to live in [[Taniquetil]] with the Valar. The [[Noldor]] and [[Teleri]] remain in Tirion and the surrounding areas.&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Year of the Trees 1169|1169]] || 11,201 || Birth of [[Fëanor]], son of [[Finwë]] and [[Míriel]]. [[Aulë]] teaches the Noldor smithying and mining. [[Rúmil (elf of Tirion)|Rúmil of Tirion]] makes the [[Sarati]] and possibly writes the [[Ainulindalë (Rúmil&#039;s work)|Ainulindalë]].&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Year of the Trees 1170|1170]] || 11,211 || Death of [[Míriel|Míriel Serindë]].&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Year of the Trees 1172|1172]] || 11,230 || The [[Statute of Finwë and Míriel|Doom of Manwë]] is erected.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Year of the Trees 1185|1185]] || 11,355 || [[Finwë]] weds [[Indis]].&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Year of the Trees 1190|1190]] || 11,403 || Birth of [[Fingolfin]] in Valinor.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Year of the Trees 1200|1200]] || 11,498 || Second Age of the Chaining of Melkor. Birth of [[Lúthien]] in [[Neldoreth]].&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Year of the Trees 1230|1230]] || 11,786 || Birth of [[Finarfin]] in Valinor.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Year of the Trees 1250|1250]] || 11,978 || [[Fëanor]] creates the [[Tengwar]].&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;[[Dwarves]], known to the Elves as Naugrim, enter [[Beleriand]] and meet the [[Sindar]].&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Year of the Trees 1280|1280]] || 12,265 || [[Finarfin]] weds [[Eärwen]].&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Year of the Trees 1300|1300]] || 12,457 || Third Age of the Chaining of Melkor. The births of [[Turgon]] and [[Finrod]] in Valinor.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;The [[Dwarves of Belegost]] and the [[Sindar]] begin the building of [[Menegroth]] in [[Doriath]]. The Dwarves are paid with knowledge from Melian and with many pearls, including [[Nimphelos]]. [[Daeron]] creates the [[Cirth|Certhas Daeron]].&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Year of the Trees 1330|1330]] || 12,744 || [[Orcs]] are first seen in [[Beleriand]]. The Dwarves make weapons for the Sindar.&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Year of the Trees 1350|1350]] || 12,936 || [[Denethor (Nando)|Denethor]] leads some of the [[Nandor]] west into Beleriand and befriends [[Thingol]]. They settle in [[Ossiriand]]. Daeron betters the Cirth, which are adopted by the Dwarves and made known east of the [[Blue Mountains]].&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Year of the Trees 1362|1362]] || 13,051 || Births of [[Galadriel]] and [[Aredhel]] in Valinor.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Year of the Trees 1400|1400]] || 13,415 || [[Morgoth|Melkor]] is released from bondage.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Year of the Trees 1410|1410]] || 13,511 || [[Morgoth|Melkor]] befriends the [[Noldor]].&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Year of the Trees 1449|1449]] || 13,884 || [[Fëanor]], having invented the substance [[Silima]], begins constructing the [[Silmarils]],&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Year of the Trees 1450|1450]] || 13,894 || &#039;&#039;&#039;[[Fëanor]] completes the [[Silmarils]]. He puts the Light of the Trees in them and Varda hallows them.&#039;&#039;&#039;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;For the next 20 years, Melkor begins spreading strife and urging the need for weapons. Fëanor expresses his desire to reject the Valar and return to Middle Earth.&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Year of the Trees 1490|1490]] || 14,277 || Finwë summons Fëanor to a council meeting, where he threatens Fingolfin with his sword. The Valar then exile Fëanor to [[Formenos]] for 12 years. He takes his wife and seven sons. Finwë follows him in exile.&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Year of the Trees 1492|1492]] || 14,296 || Melkor visits Fëanor in Formenos, but he repels him. Finwë then warns the Valar, who pursue Melkor. Melkor flees and finds [[Ungoliant]] in [[Avathar]].&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Year of the Trees 1495|1495]] || 14,325 || Fëanor is summoned by Manwë to Taniquetil where he and Fingolfin reconcile. &#039;&#039;&#039;Ungoliant destroys the Two Trees. Melkor kills Finwë in Formenos and steals the Silmarils. Fëanor names him Morgoth. He and his sons swear the [[Oath of Fëanor]].&#039;&#039;&#039; They begin a rebellion of the Noldor against the Valar and go to Alqualondë where they [[First Kinslaying|slay the Teleri]] and steal their swanships. This begins the [[Flight of the Noldor]].&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Melkor and Ungoliant flee to Beleriand where Ungoliant threatens him. Melkor calls Balrogs to his aid and they drive Ungoliant away. Melkor, now known as Morgoth, stays in [[Angband]] and raises the peaks of [[Thangorodrim]].&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Year of the Trees 1496|1496]] || 14,335 || [[Mandos]] appears before the Noldor and speaks the [[Doom of Mandos]]. Finarfin and some of his people repent and return to Valinor. Finrod, son of Finarfin, becomes the leader of his father&#039;s remaining people and they follow Fëanor.&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Year of the Trees 1497|1497]] || 14,344 || The [[First Battle of Beleriand]]. Death of [[Denethor (Nando)|Denethor]]. Besiegement of the [[Havens of the Falas]]. Thingol withdraws his people and Melian sets the [[Girdle of Melian]] around Doriath. The [[Laiquendi]] become hidden and take no other king.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
The Noldor arrive at the [[Helcaraxë]]. Fëanor and his people betray Fingolfin and sail to Beleriand. &#039;&#039;&#039;Burning of the ships at [[Losgar]]. The [[Dagor-nuin-Giliath]] (&amp;quot;Battle-under-Stars&amp;quot;). [[Gothmog (balrog)|Gothmog]] mortally wounds Fëanor, who is rescued by his sons before dying near [[Thangorodrim]].&#039;&#039;&#039; [[Maedhros]] meets with Morgoth under a false truce and is captured.&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Year of the Trees 1498|1498]] || 14,354 || [[Maedhros]] is chained to the [[Thangorodrim]]. The Noldor make a great camp at [[Mithrim]].&lt;br /&gt;
|-&lt;br /&gt;
| [[Year of the Trees 1500|1500]] || 14,373 || &#039;&#039;&#039; The Creation of the [[Moon]] and the [[Sun]]. The host of the [[Noldor]], led by [[Fingolfin]], finishes crossing the [[Helcaraxë]] and enters [[Beleriand]].&#039;&#039;&#039; The [[Battle of the Lammoth]] and death of [[Argon]]. The Moon rises seven times, after which the Sun follows.&lt;br /&gt;
|}&lt;br /&gt;
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== The [[First Age]] ==&lt;br /&gt;
:&#039;&#039;See: [[Timeline/First Age]]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== The [[Second Age]] ==&lt;br /&gt;
:&#039;&#039;See: [[Timeline/Second Age]]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== The [[Third Age]] ==&lt;br /&gt;
:&#039;&#039;See: [[Timeline/Third Age]]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== The [[Fourth Age]] ==&lt;br /&gt;
:&#039;&#039;See: [[Timeline/Fourth Age]]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==See also==&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Timeline of Frodo Baggins]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Timeline of Aragorn]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Notes==&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;references group=&amp;quot;Note&amp;quot;/&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==References==&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;[[Appendix B|The Tale of Years]]&#039;&#039; (&#039;&#039;[[The Lord of the Rings]]&#039;&#039;)&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;[[The Annals of Aman]]&#039;&#039; (&#039;&#039;[[Morgoth&#039;s Ring]]&#039;&#039;)&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;[[The Grey Annals]]&#039;&#039; (&#039;&#039;[[The War of the Jewels]]&#039;&#039;)&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;[[The Silmarillion]]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
* &#039;&#039;[[Unfinished Tales|Unfinished Tales of Númenor and Middle-earth]]&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Timelines]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Brightgalrs: Made some changes. Still piping Days before days. See Talk:Years_of_the_Lamps&lt;/p&gt;
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|colspan=3| &#039;&#039;&#039;[[Music of the Ainur|Ainulindalë]]&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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|colspan=3|&#039;&#039;&#039;[[Years of the Sun]]&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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|colspan=3|&#039;&#039;&#039;[[Ages]]&#039;&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:Calendars and events templates|{{PAGENAME}}]]&lt;br /&gt;
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Brightgalrs: /* Years of the Lamps */ I think this clarifies things a bit&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;{{History of Arda}}&lt;br /&gt;
The &#039;&#039;&#039;History of [[Arda]]&#039;&#039;&#039; is divided into three time periods, known as the [[Years of the Lamps]], [[Years of the Trees]] and [[Years of the Sun]]. A separate, overlapping chronology divides the history into &#039;Ages of the Children of Ilúvatar&#039;. The first such Age began with the Awakening of the Elves during the Years of the Trees and continued for the first six centuries of the Years of the Sun. All the subsequent Ages took place during the Years of the Sun. Most Middle-earth stories take place in the first three Ages of the Children of Iluvatar.&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Music of the Ainur ===&lt;br /&gt;
{{main|Music of the Ainur}}&lt;br /&gt;
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The supreme deity of Tolkien&#039;s universe is called [[Ilúvatar|Eru Ilúvatar]]. In the beginning, Ilúvatar created spirits named the [[Ainur]]. Ilúvatar made divine music with them. [[Morgoth|Melkor]], who was then one of the Ainur, broke the harmony of the music, until Ilúvatar began a third theme which the Ainur could not comprehend since they were not the source of it. The essence of their song symbolized the history of the whole universe and the [[Children of Ilúvatar]] that were to dwell in it &amp;amp;mdash; the [[Men]] and the [[Elves]].&lt;br /&gt;
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Then Il&amp;amp;uacute;vatar created [[Eä]], the universe itself, and the Ainur formed within it Arda, the Earth, &amp;quot;globed within the void&amp;quot;: the world together with the airs is set apart from &#039;&#039;Kuma&#039;&#039;, the &amp;quot;void&amp;quot; without. The first 15 of the Ainur that descended to Arda, and the most powerful ones, were called Valar, and the Ainur of lesser might that followed were called Maiar.&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Days before days ===&lt;br /&gt;
{{main|Years of the Lamps}}&lt;br /&gt;
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The &#039;&#039;&#039;Days before days&#039;&#039;&#039; (informally known as the Years of the Lamps) began shortly after the creation of Arda by the [[Valar]]. After the Valar entered the world, there was a light veiling the ground. The Valar took this light and concentrated it into two large lamps, [[Illuin]] and [[Ormal]]. The Vala [[Aulë]] forged great towers, one in the furthest north, and another in the deepest south. The Valar lived in the middle, at the island of [[Almaren]]. The end of the Days before days was marked by [[Morgoth|Melkor]]&#039;s destruction of the Two Lamps.&lt;br /&gt;
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==== Spring of Arda ====&lt;br /&gt;
{{main|Spring of Arda}}&lt;br /&gt;
The &#039;&#039;&#039;Spring of Arda&#039;&#039;&#039; was a period of peace and flourishing during the Days before days that started when the [[First War]] between the Valar ended.&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Years of the Trees ===&lt;br /&gt;
{{main|Years of the Trees}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Shortly after the destruction of the Two Lamps, [[Yavanna]] made the [[Two Trees]], named [[Telperion]] (the silver tree) and [[Laurelin]] (the gold tree) in the land of [[Aman]], where the Valar now lived. The Trees illumined Aman, leaving Middle-earth in darkness.&lt;br /&gt;
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The [[Awakening of the Elves|Elves awoke]] in [[Cuiviénen]] when the stars were Rekindled, beginning the [[Ages of the Children of Ilúvatar]]. Many, though not all, of the [[Elves]] were persuaded to go on the [[Great Journey]] westwards towards Aman. Along the journey several groups of Elves tarried, notably the [[Nandor]] and the [[Sindar]].  The three clans that arrived at Aman were the [[Vanyar]], [[Noldor|Ñoldor]] and the [[Teleri]].&lt;br /&gt;
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The Valar had captured Melkor and placed him in chains in Aman.  After he appeared to repent and was released, he sowed great discord among the Elves, and stirred up rivalry between the Ñoldorin King [[Finwë]]&#039;s two sons [[Fëanor]]  and [[Fingolfin]]. Out of jealousy and hatred for the Silmarils&amp;amp;mdash;three gems crafted by Feänor that contained the light of the Two Trees&amp;amp;mdash;he stole them, killing Finwë who was guarding the jewels; then with the help of the creature [[Ungoliant]] he destroyed the Two Trees and escaped to Middle-earth.&lt;br /&gt;
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Bitter at the Valar&#039;s inactivity, Feänor and his house left to pursue Melkor, cursing him with the name &#039;Morgoth&#039;. A larger host, commanded by [[Fingolfin]] followed him. They reached the Telerin port-city of [[Alqualondë]], and were forbidden to use the Telerin ships. Feänor decided to take them by force and thus the [[Kinslaying at Alqualondë|first Kinslaying]] ensued and only by the strength in numbers were the Teleri overcome and their fair ships stolen.&lt;br /&gt;
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Feänor&#039;s host sailed on the vessels, and burned them when he arrived in Middle-earth. Left behind, Fingolfin and his company crossed over to Middle-earth through [[Helcaraxë|the Grinding Ice]] in the far north.  Around the same time, but separately, Galadriel and Celeborn set sail for Middle-earth without the permission of the Valar.&lt;br /&gt;
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=== Years of the Sun ===&lt;br /&gt;
{{main|Years of the Sun}}&lt;br /&gt;
The Years of the Sun began when the Valar made the Sun and the Moon out of the final fruit of [[Laurelin]] and the final flower of [[Telperion]] and set them in the heavens. Thereafter years were reckoned in Middle-earth as they are in our own real world. The First Age of the Children of Ilúvatar continued into this new reckoning of time.&lt;br /&gt;
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==== First Age ==== &lt;br /&gt;
{{main|First Age}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Feänor was soon lost in an attack on Morgoth&#039;s [[Balrogs]] - but his sons survived, and founded realms; the kingdoms of the House of Fingolfin.&lt;br /&gt;
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The Long Peace lasted hundreds of years; during which time [[Men]] arrived over the [[Blue Mountains]].  But the peace was not to last; and one by one the kingdoms &amp;amp;mdash; even the hidden ones of [[Gondolin]] and [[Doriath]] &amp;amp;mdash; fell.&lt;br /&gt;
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At the end of the age, all that remained of free Elves and Men in [[Beleriand]] was a settlement at the mouth of the River [[Sirion]] and another settlement on the isle of Balar. [[Eärendil]] had possession of a Silmaril, which his wife [[Elwing]]&#039;s ancestors [[Beren]] and [[Lúthien]] had taken from Morgoth. But the Feänorians had a claim on the Silmaril still and so there was another Kinslaying.  Eärendil and Elwing took the Silmaril across the [[Belegaer|Great Sea]], to beg the Valar for aid.&lt;br /&gt;
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They responded.  Melkor was exiled into the Void; and most of his works were destroyed. This came at a terrible cost, as [[Beleriand]] itself was sunk.&lt;br /&gt;
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====Second Age====&lt;br /&gt;
{{main|Second Age}}&lt;br /&gt;
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The Men who had remained faithful were given the island of [[Númenor]], in the middle of the Great Sea; whilst the Elves were allowed to return home.&lt;br /&gt;
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The Númenoreans became great seafarers, but became jealous of the Elves for their immortality. Meanwhile, in Middle-earth it became apparent that [[Sauron]], Morgoth&#039;s chief servant, was still active. He worked with Elven smiths in [[Eregion]] on the craft of rings, and forged [[the One Ring]] to dominate them all. The Elves noticed this and removed theirs.&lt;br /&gt;
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Towards the end of the age, the Númenoreans were growing increasingly proud. King [[Ar-Pharazôn]] humbled even Sauron and brought him to Númenor as a hostage. Sauron worked his way into Pharazôn&#039;s court, and became high priest in a cult of Melkor.  Eventually, Pharazôn was persuaded to attempt to invade Aman, promised that immortality would result.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Amandil]], chief of the faithful, sailed westward to warn the Valar of this. His son [[Elendil]] and grandsons [[Isildur]] and [[Anárion]] prepared to flee eastwards. When the King&#039;s men had landed on Aman, the Valar lay down their guardianship of the world and called for Ilúvatar to intervene.&lt;br /&gt;
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The world was changed into a sphere, and the straight road from Middle-earth to Aman was broken.  Númenor was utterly destroyed, as was the fair body of Sauron. Elendil and his sons founded the realms of [[Gondor]] and [[Arnor]].&lt;br /&gt;
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Sauron arose again and challenged them. The Elves allied with the Men to form the [[Last Alliance]] which defeated him.  His One Ring was taken from him by Isildur, but not destroyed.&lt;br /&gt;
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====Third Age====&lt;br /&gt;
{{main|Third Age}}&lt;br /&gt;
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The Third Age saw the rise in power of the realms of [[Arnor]] and [[Gondor]], and their fall. Arnor was divided into three petty Kingdoms, which fell one by one, whilst Gondor fell victim to [[Kin-strife]], plague, wainriders, and corsairs.&lt;br /&gt;
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By the time of &#039;&#039;The Lord of the Rings&#039;&#039;, [[Sauron]] had recovered again, and was seeking the One Ring. He discovered that it was in the possession of a [[Hobbits|Hobbit]] named [[Bilbo Baggins|Baggins]], and sent out the [[Nazgûl|Ringwraiths]] to find him and retrieve it.&lt;br /&gt;
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The Ring-bearer, [[Frodo Baggins]], is sent to [[Rivendell]], where it is decided that the One Ring must be destroyed once and for all &amp;amp;mdash; and it can only be unmade in the fiery depths of [[Mount Doom]] where it was forged.  He sets out on this quest with eight other companions who comprise &#039;&#039;The Fellowship of the Ring&#039;&#039;.&lt;br /&gt;
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After a long and difficult journey, he and [[Samwise Gamgee]] finally complete the mission, succeeding largely due to an unforeseen event that was out of their control. [[Sauron]] is thus destroyed forever and they are lauded as heroes.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Aragorn]] takes his place as King of the [[Reunited Kingdom]] of [[Arnor]] and [[Gondor]], at last restoring the line of Kings from the [[Stewards of Gondor]].&lt;br /&gt;
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====Fourth Age and after====&lt;br /&gt;
{{main|Fourth Age}}&lt;br /&gt;
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The end of the Third Age marked the end of the involvement of the Elves in Mannish affairs, despite a short-lived revival of Elven presence in Gondor under [[Legolas]]. Most Elves that have lingered in Middle-earth leave for Valinor &amp;amp;mdash; those that remain behind &amp;quot;fade&amp;quot;, and eventually diminish. A similar fate happens to the Dwarves: although [[Lonely Mountain|Erebor]] becomes an ally of the [[Reunited Kingdom]] and there are indications [[Moria|Khazad-dûm]] is refounded, and a colony is established under [[Gimli]] in the [[White Mountains]], they become ever more reclusive, and disappear from mannish history. Morgoth&#039;s creatures are almost wiped out and never recover. During the later Fourth Age the tales of the earlier Ages turn into legends, until they are eventually thought of as fantasies, as the heirs of the Númenóreans forget their heritage.&lt;br /&gt;
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Tolkien imagined that he lived perhaps about 6000 years after the [[War of the Ring]], [[Ages#Further future|in the Fifth, Sixth or Seventh Age]].&lt;br /&gt;
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==End of Arda==&lt;br /&gt;
{{main|Dagor Dagorath}}&lt;br /&gt;
After contemplating [[Arda Marred|Arda&#039;s decay]], the Elves could deduce that Arda had to come to an end. There are also many mentions of this end happening with a Last Battle after Morgoth&#039;s return. After his defeat, it is said that Men and Ainur will make a [[Second Music of the Ainur|Second Music]] in front of Ilúvatar.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:Chronology]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Brightgalrs: Created page with &amp;quot;Hello friends.&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;Hello friends.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<id>https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Days_before_days&amp;diff=328208</id>
		<title>Talk:Days before days</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Brightgalrs: /* Requested move */ Comment&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;Is the use of &amp;quot;Ringil&amp;quot; correct here?  The link from Ringil shows this as the name of Fingolfin&#039;s sword (which is correct), but there is no reference to the use of this term as the name for a tower of a Lamp.  Which entry requires revision - the Years of the Lamps entry to correct &amp;quot;Ringil&amp;quot; or the revision of the &amp;quot;Ringil&amp;quot; entry to add this second (and earlier) use of the name? [[User:Plant doc|Plant doc]] 08:57, 8 September 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:[http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/default.asp The Encyclopedia of Arda] mentions in its article on the Inland Sea of Helcar in a footnote &amp;quot;Interestingly, though it isn&#039;t mentioned in &#039;&#039;The Silmarillion&#039;&#039;, there seems to have been a corresponding southern sea, the Sea of Ringil, which was perhaps associated with the roots of Illuin&#039;s mate Ormal.&amp;quot; A source for this information isn&#039;t given, though. ~ [[User:Earendilyon|Earendilyon]] 17:45, 8 September 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Canonicity of term==&lt;br /&gt;
Can anyone give a reference to a primary source using the actual term &#039;Years of the Lamps&#039;? I can&#039;t find it being used in HoMe, so I&#039;m suspecting it is non-canon, maybe invented by David Day.&lt;br /&gt;
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This is not to say that the concept is non-canon, certainly not. Just that this does not seem to be the term that Tolkien uses for it. His term seems to be &amp;quot;Days before days&amp;quot; [AAm:10]. -- [[User:Mithrennaith|Mithrennaith]] 21:11, 9 June 2008 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I heard about this issue, and like others I could not find any reference to &#039;Years of the Lamps&#039; in Tolkien&#039;s works. &amp;quot;Days before days&amp;quot; indeed is the                            canonical term, and since nobody here has disagreed with this point since 2008, it seems proper to change the term in this article and elsewhere. [[User:Fellun|Fellun]] 13:16, 24 February 2021 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I too saw a certain comment on Reddit (that didn&#039;t canvas or anything like that) and came here to see the issue. I do support the move though, it&#039;s a canonicity vs familiarity issue, but I think canonicity wins in this case. Unfortunately only autoconfirmed users can move pages, and alas, I&#039;ve done all my editing anonymously up until this point. [[User:Brightgalrs|Brightgalrs]] 17:26, 24 February 2021 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:: Here, I&#039;ll do this properly. And make a new section. [[User:Brightgalrs|Brightgalrs]] 17:36, 24 February 2021 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Requested move==&lt;br /&gt;
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As &amp;quot;Years of the Lamps&amp;quot; seems to be a fan created term, I propose that the article be moved to [[Days before days]]. The first sentence of the article should also be changed to (something like):&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
: The &#039;&#039;&#039;Days before days&#039;&#039;&#039; (also known as the Years of the Lamps) began shortly after the creation of Arda by the Valar.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Oh and a redirect should be left after the move, so [[Years of the Lamps]] redirects to [[Days before days]]. [[User:Brightgalrs|Brightgalrs]] 17:36, 24 February 2021 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:If the term isn&#039;t actually in Tolkien works, I think the article shouldn&#039;t me moved but merged with [[Spring of Arda]] (basically, delete the fanon term). --[[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] 17:39, 24 February 2021 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:: Which term are you talking about? &amp;quot;Days before days&amp;quot; appears in the Annals of Aman, even with a capital &#039;D&#039;:&lt;br /&gt;
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::: It is computed by the lore-masters that the Valar came to the realm of Arda, which is the Earth, five thousand Valian Years ere the first rising of the Moon [...]. Of these, three thousand and five hundred [...] passed ere the measurement of time first known to the Eldar began with the flowering of the Trees. Those were the &#039;&#039;&#039;Days before days&#039;&#039;&#039;. Thereafter one thousand and four hundred and five and ninety Valian Years [...] followed during which the Light of the Trees shone in Valinor. Those were the Days of Bliss. In those days [...] the Elves awoke in Kuiviénen and the First Age of the Children of Ilúvatar began.&lt;br /&gt;
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:: I&#039;ve bolded the term. This is paragraph 10. [[User:Brightgalrs|Brightgalrs]] 17:55, 24 February 2021 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>Talk:Days before days</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Brightgalrs: Requesting/proposing move&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;Is the use of &amp;quot;Ringil&amp;quot; correct here?  The link from Ringil shows this as the name of Fingolfin&#039;s sword (which is correct), but there is no reference to the use of this term as the name for a tower of a Lamp.  Which entry requires revision - the Years of the Lamps entry to correct &amp;quot;Ringil&amp;quot; or the revision of the &amp;quot;Ringil&amp;quot; entry to add this second (and earlier) use of the name? [[User:Plant doc|Plant doc]] 08:57, 8 September 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
:[http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/default.asp The Encyclopedia of Arda] mentions in its article on the Inland Sea of Helcar in a footnote &amp;quot;Interestingly, though it isn&#039;t mentioned in &#039;&#039;The Silmarillion&#039;&#039;, there seems to have been a corresponding southern sea, the Sea of Ringil, which was perhaps associated with the roots of Illuin&#039;s mate Ormal.&amp;quot; A source for this information isn&#039;t given, though. ~ [[User:Earendilyon|Earendilyon]] 17:45, 8 September 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Canonicity of term==&lt;br /&gt;
Can anyone give a reference to a primary source using the actual term &#039;Years of the Lamps&#039;? I can&#039;t find it being used in HoMe, so I&#039;m suspecting it is non-canon, maybe invented by David Day.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
This is not to say that the concept is non-canon, certainly not. Just that this does not seem to be the term that Tolkien uses for it. His term seems to be &amp;quot;Days before days&amp;quot; [AAm:10]. -- [[User:Mithrennaith|Mithrennaith]] 21:11, 9 June 2008 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I heard about this issue, and like others I could not find any reference to &#039;Years of the Lamps&#039; in Tolkien&#039;s works. &amp;quot;Days before days&amp;quot; indeed is the                            canonical term, and since nobody here has disagreed with this point since 2008, it seems proper to change the term in this article and elsewhere. [[User:Fellun|Fellun]] 13:16, 24 February 2021 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I too saw a certain comment on Reddit (that didn&#039;t canvas or anything like that) and came here to see the issue. I do support the move though, it&#039;s a canonicity vs familiarity issue, but I think canonicity wins in this case. Unfortunately only autoconfirmed users can move pages, and alas, I&#039;ve done all my editing anonymously up until this point. [[User:Brightgalrs|Brightgalrs]] 17:26, 24 February 2021 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:: Here, I&#039;ll do this properly. And make a new section. [[User:Brightgalrs|Brightgalrs]] 17:36, 24 February 2021 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Requested move==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
As &amp;quot;Years of the Lamps&amp;quot; seems to be a fan created term, I propose that the article be moved to [[Days before days]]. The first sentence of the article should also be changed to (something like):&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
: The &#039;&#039;&#039;Days before days&#039;&#039;&#039; (also known as the Years of the Lamps) began shortly after the creation of Arda by the Valar.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Oh and a redirect should be left after the move, so [[Years of the Lamps]] redirects to [[Days before days]]. [[User:Brightgalrs|Brightgalrs]] 17:36, 24 February 2021 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<id>https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Days_before_days&amp;diff=328203</id>
		<title>Talk:Days before days</title>
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		<updated>2021-02-24T17:27:25Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Brightgalrs: Reddit&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;Is the use of &amp;quot;Ringil&amp;quot; correct here?  The link from Ringil shows this as the name of Fingolfin&#039;s sword (which is correct), but there is no reference to the use of this term as the name for a tower of a Lamp.  Which entry requires revision - the Years of the Lamps entry to correct &amp;quot;Ringil&amp;quot; or the revision of the &amp;quot;Ringil&amp;quot; entry to add this second (and earlier) use of the name? [[User:Plant doc|Plant doc]] 08:57, 8 September 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
:[http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/default.asp The Encyclopedia of Arda] mentions in its article on the Inland Sea of Helcar in a footnote &amp;quot;Interestingly, though it isn&#039;t mentioned in &#039;&#039;The Silmarillion&#039;&#039;, there seems to have been a corresponding southern sea, the Sea of Ringil, which was perhaps associated with the roots of Illuin&#039;s mate Ormal.&amp;quot; A source for this information isn&#039;t given, though. ~ [[User:Earendilyon|Earendilyon]] 17:45, 8 September 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Canonicity of term==&lt;br /&gt;
Can anyone give a reference to a primary source using the actual term &#039;Years of the Lamps&#039;? I can&#039;t find it being used in HoMe, so I&#039;m suspecting it is non-canon, maybe invented by David Day.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
This is not to say that the concept is non-canon, certainly not. Just that this does not seem to be the term that Tolkien uses for it. His term seems to be &amp;quot;Days before days&amp;quot; [AAm:10]. -- [[User:Mithrennaith|Mithrennaith]] 21:11, 9 June 2008 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
:I heard about this issue, and like others I could not find any reference to &#039;Years of the Lamps&#039; in Tolkien&#039;s works. &amp;quot;Days before days&amp;quot; indeed is the                            canonical term, and since nobody here has disagreed with this point since 2008, it seems proper to change the term in this article and elsewhere. [[User:Fellun|Fellun]] 13:16, 24 February 2021 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I too saw a certain comment on Reddit (that didn&#039;t canvas or anything like that) and came here to see the issue. I do support the move though, it&#039;s a canonicity vs familiarity issue, but I think canonicity wins in this case. Unfortunately only autoconfirmed users can move pages, and alas, I&#039;ve done all my editing anonymously up until this point. [[User:Brightgalrs|Brightgalrs]] 17:26, 24 February 2021 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<title>Talk:Days before days</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Brightgalrs: Comment&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;Is the use of &amp;quot;Ringil&amp;quot; correct here?  The link from Ringil shows this as the name of Fingolfin&#039;s sword (which is correct), but there is no reference to the use of this term as the name for a tower of a Lamp.  Which entry requires revision - the Years of the Lamps entry to correct &amp;quot;Ringil&amp;quot; or the revision of the &amp;quot;Ringil&amp;quot; entry to add this second (and earlier) use of the name? [[User:Plant doc|Plant doc]] 08:57, 8 September 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:[http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/default.asp The Encyclopedia of Arda] mentions in its article on the Inland Sea of Helcar in a footnote &amp;quot;Interestingly, though it isn&#039;t mentioned in &#039;&#039;The Silmarillion&#039;&#039;, there seems to have been a corresponding southern sea, the Sea of Ringil, which was perhaps associated with the roots of Illuin&#039;s mate Ormal.&amp;quot; A source for this information isn&#039;t given, though. ~ [[User:Earendilyon|Earendilyon]] 17:45, 8 September 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Canonicity of term==&lt;br /&gt;
Can anyone give a reference to a primary source using the actual term &#039;Years of the Lamps&#039;? I can&#039;t find it being used in HoMe, so I&#039;m suspecting it is non-canon, maybe invented by David Day.&lt;br /&gt;
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This is not to say that the concept is non-canon, certainly not. Just that this does not seem to be the term that Tolkien uses for it. His term seems to be &amp;quot;Days before days&amp;quot; [AAm:10]. -- [[User:Mithrennaith|Mithrennaith]] 21:11, 9 June 2008 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I heard about this issue, and like others I could not find any reference to &#039;Years of the Lamps&#039; in Tolkien&#039;s works. &amp;quot;Days before days&amp;quot; indeed is the                            canonical term, and since nobody here has disagreed with this point since 2008, it seems proper to change the term in this article and elsewhere. [[User:Fellun|Fellun]] 13:16, 24 February 2021 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:I too saw a certain comment on (that didn&#039;t canvas or anything like that) and came here to see the issue. I do support the move though, it&#039;s a canonicity vs familiarity issue, but I think canonicity wins in this case. Unfortunately only autoconfirmed users can move pages, and alas, I&#039;ve done all my editing anonymously up until this point. [[User:Brightgalrs|Brightgalrs]] 17:26, 24 February 2021 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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