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==About me==
My name is '''Peter''' and I am a passionate fan of ''[[Arcastar|Arcastar's]]'' [[Legendarium]] from the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netherlands Netherlands]. My username ''Quirinius'' is the Latin version of my surname, and I had chosen this username, for my real surname seems to be adapted from said Latin ''[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nomen_gentilicium nomen gentilicum]''.

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==Other names==
The name '''''Cellindir''''' means "Man of the Flowing Music," and it consists of the [[Sundocarmë|root]] KEL ("flow (down)"), ''[[lind]]'' ("song, music"), and ''(n)dîr'' ("man"). I had [[Kilmessë|chosen]] it to signify my passion for music.

2022-03-02T08:15:28Z

Cellindir:

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<center>{{quote|In a great hall with pillars hewn out of the living stone sat the Elvenking on a chair of carven wood. On his head was a crown of berries and red leaves, for the autumn was come again. In the spring he wore a crown of woodland flowers. In his hand he held a carven staff of oak.|''[[The Hobbit]]'', "[[Barrels Out of Bond]]"}}</center>
'''Thranduil''', also known as the '''Elvenking''', was a [[Sindar]]in [[Elves|Elf]] of [[Doriath]]<ref name="Princes"/> and King of the [[Silvan Elves|Silvan]] [[Elves of Mirkwood]] of the [[Woodland Realm]]. Thranduil was son of [[Oropher]] and father of [[Legolas]].

The Elvenking is a name used for the ruler of the [[Woodland Realm]], the realm of the [[Silvan Elves]] in the far northeast of [[Mirkwood]] by the late [[Third Age]].<Ref group=note>While he is nameless throughout the ''[[The Hobbit]]'', his name is first revealed in ''[[The Council of Elrond]]'' chapter of ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'' as the father of [[Legolas]].</ref>

==History==
=== Early History ===
{{seealso|#Other versions of the legendarium}}

Thranduil's birth date and early life are not recorded. He may have been born in the First Age, or the Second Age. He was of Sindarin descent. His father [[Oropher]] who was originally one of the [[Iathrim]] of [[Doriath]]. <ref name="Princes"/>{{UT|6b}}</ref>

[[Image:Anna Lee - Thranduil and Legolas.jpg|left|thumb|''Thranduil and Legolas'' by [[Anna Lee]]]]

Many of the Sindar left [[Lindon]] and travelled eastward before the building of the [[Barad-dûr]] in {{SA|1000}}.<ref name="AppB">{{App|B}}</ref> Thranduil is first recorded in this event, when he and his father, [[Oropher]], arrived "with only a handful of Sindar"<ref name="Princes"/> in {{SA|750}}, in [[Mirkwood|Greenwood the Great]].<ref name=foundation>{{PM|Second}}</ref> Oropher was taken by the [[Silvan Elves]] as their lord and founded the [[Woodland Realm]].<ref name="Princes"/>

The [[Elves of Mirkwood]] joined the [[Last Alliance]] and in {{SA|3434}}, Thranduil followed his father and numerous lightly armed Elves in the [[War of the Last Alliance]]. In the [[Battle of Dagorlad]], Oropher was slain in the first assault upon Mordor, "rushing forward at the head of his most doughty warriors before Gil-galad had given the signal for the advance."<ref name="Princes"/> His son survived, but over the course of the war, two-thirds of his people had perished. After the [[Siege of Barad-dûr]] in {{SA|3441}}, when [[Sauron]] was defeated, Thranduil led the remainder of his people north back to the Woodland Realm, where he was crowned king.<ref name="Princes"/>

=== Third Age ===
====The Shadow Returns====
Upon the return of [[Sauron]] - disguised as the [[Sauron|Necromancer]] - in around {{TA|1050}}, southern Greenwood became increasingly dangerous; evil creatures such as the great [[spiders]] came to dwell in it and the forest soon came to be known as "[[Mirkwood]]".<ref>{{App|TA}}</ref> Thranduil's folk retreated to the north of the forest, where they established themselves near the [[Forest River]]. Thranduil had [[Elvenking's Halls|his halls]] delved underground, fashioned partly in memory (it was said) of the mighty, but long-lost, [[Menegroth]] of [[Doriath]].<ref group="note">In the ''[[Lord of the Rings]]'', it is stated by [[Gimli]] that the [[Dwarves]] aided in the making of Thranduil's halls. However, in the ''[[Unfinished Tales]]'', it is stated that Thranduil's halls "were not to be compared with [[Menegroth]]. He had not the arts nor wealth nor the aid of the Dwarves."</ref><ref>{{TT|Road}}</ref><ref name="Princes"/> In north-eastern Mirkwood, they were near the Forest River behind great, stone gates.

====Battle of Five Armies====
[[File:Anke Eißmann - Thorin and Thranduil.jpeg|thumb|right|''Thorin and Thranduil'' by [[Anke Eißmann]]]]
In {{TA|2941}}, Thranduil and some of his folk were feasting in the woods when they were repeatedly disturbed by [[Thorin and Company|a party]] of [[Dwarves]]. After the third disturbance, the Elves captured [[Thorin]] who refused to reveal to Thranduil the reason for their journey through Mirkwood.<ref name="Flies"/> Following their battle with the spiders, the rest of [[Thorin and Company|the company]] was also captured by the Elves. Following their repeated failure to explain their presence in Mirkwood, Thranduil placed all the Dwarves under lock and key. They escaped, however, with the aid of a Hobbit, [[Bilbo Baggins]]. Baggins had evaded capture by Thranduil's people through the use of [[The One Ring|his magic ring]].

After the Dwarves' escape, Thranduil received word of what had transpired from the [[Raft-elves]] who returned up the [[Forest River]]. Thus he was now aware of the Dwarves' quest. Upon learning this, he stated, "no treasure will come back through Mirkwood without my having something to say in the matter."<ref>{{H|Welcome}}</ref> He believed the Dwarves were incapable of slaying the Dragon. However, he soon heard from his own messengers (including the birds) that the [[Dragons|Dragon]] [[Smaug]] had been felled (and the [[Lake-town]] was destroyed).

Thranduil was aware that Smaug had a massive hoard of treasure. Believing the Dwarves to be dead, and desiring a share of the treasure, he set out towards the [[Lonely Mountain]] with a company of Elves. On the way, they met messengers from [[Bard]] who was seeking aid for his destroyed town. Thranduil gave aid to these Men, as the [[Lake-men]] had been friends with the Wood-elves, and left elven craftsmen to aid in the labour and building of huts to fortify them against the coming winter.<ref name="Fire">{{H|Fire}}</ref> Together, Thranduil and Bard led their forces towards the Lonely Mountain and were surprised when they found out that the Dwarves not only survived Smaug's attacks, but had taken possession of the Mountain and its treasures; the [[King under the Mountain]] had returned.
[[File:Ted Nasmith - The Arkenstone.jpg|thumb|left|''The Arkenstone'' by [[Ted Nasmith]]]]

As Thorin refused to give away any part of the treasure for [[Dale]] and Lake-town under armed threat, Thranduil and Bard besieged the mountain. After a few days, a Dwarvish host led by [[Dáin Ironfoot|Dáin II Ironfoot]], who had been summoned by [[Ravens|raven]] messengers, approached to support Thorin. But, two evenings before his arrival, Bilbo came before Thranduil and Bard bringing the [[Arkenstone]], a great jewel that Thorin valued above all, in order to make Thorin open to negotiations again. Thranduil was impressed by Bilbo and urged him to remain in order to avoid Thorin's wrath, but Bilbo returned to his friends. The next morning Bard and Thranduil entered into negotiations with an angered Thorin, who agreed to pay one-fourteenth share of the treasure in exchange for the stone. Thranduil was reluctant to start a war over gold, but when the forces of Dáin arrived the next day, before the trade had been made for the Arkenstone, the Dwarves proceeded to attack.

[[Image:Capucine Mazille - The Battle of Five Armies.jpg|thumb|''The Battle of Five Armies'' by [[:Category:Images by Capucine Mazille|Capucine Mazille]]]]
At that moment, the [[Orcs of the Misty Mountains]] and [[Grey Mountains]] under [[Bolg]] were using the opportunity to march after the hoard, and he was accompanied by a cloud of great bats. After skirmishing among themselves, under the council of Gandalf, the three commanders agreed that the Goblins were the enemies of all. So the [[Battle of Five Armies]] began, "upon one side were the Goblins and the Wild Wolves, and upon the other were Elves and Men and Dwarves."<ref name="Burst">{{H|Burst}}</ref> Thranduil's host was positioned on the southern side of the Mountain, and they were the first to charge. Many Elves and allies were slain and things looked grim when the [[Eagles]] and [[Beorn]] arrived on the battlefield. They turned the tide and the battle was won.

Thorin died soon after the battle. Thranduil laid [[Orcrist]] on Thorin's tomb, where it was said to glow in warning when foes approached.

The victors divided the treasure, with Bard giving Thranduil the emeralds of [[Girion]]. When Bilbo and [[Gandalf]] bade farewell to Thranduil, Bilbo gave him a necklace of silver and pearls. Thranduil gave the [[Hobbits|hobbit]] the title [[Elf-friends|Elf-friend]] and returned with the remainder of his host to his realm in Mirkwood.

====War of the Ring====
On [[21 March]], {{TA|3018}} [[Aragorn]] and [[Gandalf]] delivered [[Gollum]] as a prisoner to Thranduil; but in June he later escaped. Thranduil sent his son [[Legolas]] to Rivendell to inform [[Elrond]], and during the [[Council of Elrond]] Legolas was selected as one of the nine members of the [[Fellowship of the Ring]].<ref name="council">{{FR|II2}}</ref> Another member of the Company was the Dwarf, [[Gimli]], the son of [[Glóin]] of [[Thorin and Company|Thorin's company]], who had previously been imprisoned by Thranduil. The unprecedented friendship between Elf and Dwarf helped to reconcile Thranduil's people and the Dwarves.

On [[15 March]], {{TA|3019}}, [[Sauron]]'s army from [[Dol Guldur]] attacked Mirkwood. There was a long [[battle under the trees]] and the woods were set on fire, but in the end Thranduil was victorious. And after the passing of Sauron, the [[Galadhrim|forces]] of the [[Lord and Lady of Galadhrim]] stormed Dol Guldur and threw down its walls, finally cleansing the forest.<Ref name=great>{{App|Great}}</ref>

On [[6 April]]<ref>{{App|Chief}}</ref> (the [[Yestarë|day of the Elven New Year]]), the Elvenking met with [[Celeborn]] in the midst of Mirkwood and renamed it ''[[Eryn Lasgalen]]'', "The Wood of the Greenleaves". With the forest cleansed and Sauron's forces destroyed, the forest was divided; Celeborn claimed the southern part of the forest north to the Narrows, Thranduil took the northern part of the forest south to the [[Mountains of Mirkwood|Mountains]], and the two Elf-lords granted the middle to the [[Beornings]] and [[Woodmen]].<Ref name=great/>

=== Fourth Age ===
The partition of Eryn Lasgalen is the last reference to Thranduil in the histories of Middle-earth. It is not said that he joined his son Legolas in settling Ithilien or in departing over the Sea.<ref name="AppBLater">{{App|Later}}</ref> Presumably, he continued to rule the re-established Woodland Realm into the Fourth Age, but nothing of this is known for certain. He eventually, at some unknown date, sailed to the West.

== Personality ==
[[Image:Marya Filatova - Thranduil.jpg|right|thumb|200px|''Thranduil'' by [[Marya Filatova]]]]
Although his concern was primarily for his realm, the memory of the end of the [[Second Age]] and what lay outside his borders haunted him:
{{blockquote|But there was in Thranduil's heart a still deeper shadow. He had seen the horror of [[Mordor]] and could not forget it. If ever he looked south its memory dimmed the light of the Sun, and though he knew that it was now broken and deserted and under the vigilance of the Kings of Men, fear spoke in his heart that it was not conquered for ever; it would arise again.|''[[Unfinished Tales]]'', "[[The History of Galadriel and Celeborn]]", "Appendix B: The Sindarin Princes of the Silvan Elves"}}

Thranduil lived in atunement with nature, wearing a crown of woodland flowers, or autumn berries and red leaves, according to the season.<ref name="Barrels">{{H|Barrels}}</ref> His banner was green in colour.<ref>{{H|Gathering}}</ref> He loved the forest, though it was dark and dangerous in many parts; and enjoyed hunting and feasting among the trees with his people.<ref name="Flies">{{H|Flies}}</ref> He was distrustful of strangers for the most part, although he had business dealings with the men of [[Lake-town]].<ref name="Barrels"/> He was mostly unconcerned with affairs of the world beyond Mirkwood unless a common enemy was shared or for trade with "their kinsfolk in the South, or [...] Men in distant lands."<ref name="Barrels"/>

He had a particular fondness for white gems and wanted to acquire more: "if the elf-king had a weakness it was for treasure, especially for silver and white gems; and though his hoard was rich, was eager for more, since he had not yet as great a treasure as other elf-lords of old."<ref name="Flies"/> Despite this weakness, he was wise and would not wantonly go to war, risking his people's lives, over treasure. This was evidenced when the Elvenking said, "long will I tarry, ere I begin this war for gold [...] let us hope still for something that will bring reconciliation."<ref name="Burst"/>

== Etymology ==
{{pronounce|Sindarin - Thranduil.mp3|Gilgamesh}}
The name '''''Thranduil''''' means "Vigorous spring" in [[Sindarin]], from ''[[tharan]]'' ("vigorous") and [[Lenition|lenited]] ''[[tuil]]'' ("spring"). Though the name is said to be of [[Silvan Elvish|Silvan]] origin, Tolkien's notes on ''tharan'' state it was used only in Sindarin.<ref>{{PE|17}}, pp. 27, 187</ref>

==Other versions of the legendarium==
The published [[Appendix B]] of ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'', as well as one of its drafts,<ref name=foundation>{{PM|Second}}</ref> mention Thranduil as King of the Woodland realm, founded in {{SA|750}}, suggesting (but not explicitly mentioning) that he was possibly its founder and first king.

His father Oropher was invented later, while Tolkien was fleshing out the background of Thranduil and the history of the Silvan realms, given a far older origin, excplicitly clarifying that Thranduil was not the founder of the realm, and he only succeeded his father after the [[War of the Last Alliance]]. Oropher and Thranduil's backstory were never incorporated in more "canonical" narratives, and the drafts exploring them were published in the ''[[Unfinished Tales]]''.<ref name="Princes"/>

== Genealogy ==
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{{familytree| LEG |LEG=[[Legolas]] ''Sailed West {{FoA|120}}''}}
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==Portrayal in adaptations==
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|File:The Hobbit (1977 film) - Thranduil.jpg|The "Elvenking" in [[The Hobbit (1977 film)|''The Hobbit'' (1977 film)]]
|File:The Hobbit (2003 video game) - Thranduil.jpg|Thranduil in [[The Hobbit (2003 video game)|''The Hobbit'' (2003 video game)]]
|File:The Lord of the Rings - The Battle for Middle-earth II - Thranduil.jpg|Thranduil in ''[[The Lord of the Rings: The Battle for Middle-earth II]]''
|File:The Hobbit - The Desolation of Smaug - Thranduil.jpg|Thranduil in [[The Hobbit (film series)|''The Hobbit'' (film series)]]
|File:The Lord of the Rings Online - Thranduil.jpg|Thranduil in ''[[The Lord of the Rings Online]]''
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===Films===
'''1977: [[The Hobbit (1977 film)|''The Hobbit'' (1977 film)]]:'''
:Thranduil is voiced by [[Otto Preminger]]. For some reason, in the movie, the [[Elves of Mirkwood]] are portrayed as squat and ugly, as opposed to the noble Elves of [[Rivendell]]. Like Fenton before him, Preminger's Thranduil speaks with a German accent.

'''2012: ''[[The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey]]'':'''
:Thranduil is played by [[Lee Pace]] in the ''Hobbit'' [[The Hobbit (film series)|film trilogy]].<ref name="PJCasting">{{webcite|author=[[Peter Jackson]]|articleurl=http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10150239464391558|articlename=Casting news!|dated=30-April-2011|website=[http://www.facebook.com/ Facebook]|accessed=23-Dec-2011}}</ref> Thranduil is first seen in the prologue paying homage to King [[Thrór]] inside within the [[Lonely Mountain]], though leaves in a huff when the [[Dwarves]] refuse to give him a box of white jewels. He is next seen with an army outside of [[Lonely Mountain|Erebor]] riding an elk, seemingly ready to help during the [[Sack of Erebor]]. However, he decides not to help and turns away.

'''2013: ''[[The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug]]'':'''
:Mentioning his past, Thranduil is portrayed as a widower and also an isolationist king who isn't concerned with the evil that happens beyond his borders. He has generously raised [[Tauriel]] for the last 600 years, and also mentions that he has fought the "[[cold-drakes|serpents of the North]]".
:When [[Thorin]] is taken before Thranduil in the [[Elvenking's Halls]], he surmises that he and his [[Thorin and Company|Company]] are going to try to reclaim the [[Lonely Mountain]] from [[Smaug]] (unlike in the book, where he had no idea as to their purpose). He offers a deal to Thorin, saying he will let the Company go if they will pay him the white jewels he desires inside the Mountain. When the Dwarf refuses and chastises him for not offering aid to the [[Dwarves of Erebor|Dwarves]] the day of the Sack, the Elven-king reveals a large disfigurement on his face underneath his skin, mentioning his fighting against the 'great serpents of the North.'
:Later, an [[unseen|invisible]] Bilbo Baggins spies his discussion with Tauriel, having ordered her company of Elves to destroy the [[spiders]]'s nests, but not beyond the borders of the Woodland Realm, displaying his disregard for the outside world.
:He and Legolas interrogate [[Narzug]], a captured [[Orcs|Orc]] who claims that [[Sauron|"The One"]] is returning, and will unleash a powerful weapon (possibly Smaug). Despite his own promise to "set him free", he beheads the orc, and orders the kingdom to be completely sealed off from the outside world.

'''2014: ''[[The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies]]'':'''
:After learning of [[Smaug]]'s demise, Thranduil leads his Elven army to claim the white jewels from the Dwarves of Erebor, even by force. It is revealed that these jewels were meant for his wife, who had been taken to [[Gundabad]] and tortured by Orcs to death many years prior. When the army arrives in [[Dale]], he forges an allegiance with [[Bard]], also offering the [[Lake-town]] refugees food and supplies. When Gandalf arrives at Erebor to warn them of the impending attack by the approaching Orc army, the Elven-king refuses to listen. Thranduil's soldiers come to clashes with those of [[Dáin Ironfoot]] right before the Orcs arrive, leading to the [[Battle of Five Armies]]. Thranduil himself fights in the battle against the Orcs, but withdraws his forces when defence of Dale results in many Elven casualties. This leads to a confrontation between him and [[Tauriel]] before she and [[Legolas]] go to Thorin's aid at [[Ravenhill]]. The event causes a rift between Thranduil and his son, to the point where Legolas decides not to return to the kingdom. Thranduil then advises him to go and find the [[Rangers of the North|Ranger]] known as "[[Strider (Aragorn)|Strider]]" among the [[Dúnedain]]. The Elven-king also accepts Tauriel's love for [[Kíli]] when he finds her mourning over the Dwarf's death.

===Radio series===
'''1968: [[The Hobbit (1968 radio series)|''The Hobbit'' (1968 radio series)]]:'''
:[[Leonard Fenton]] provided the voice of Thranduil. He provides him with a Germanic accent.

'''1980: [[Der Hobbit (1980 German radio series)|''Der Hobbit'' (1980 German radio series)]]:'''
:The Elven-king is played by Martin Hirthe.

'''1989: [[Hobit (1989 Slovak radio series)|''Hobit'' (1989 Slovak radio series)]]:'''
:The voice of the Elven-king is provided by Alfréd Swan. He is not identified by his personal name, in keeping with the original novel.

===Games===
'''2003: [[The Hobbit (2003 video game)|''The Hobbit'' (2003 video game)]]:'''
:Thranduil is referred to as "Elvenking Thranduil", using both his title from ''The Hobbit'' and his name from ''The Lord of the Rings'', to accommodate players who have only read ''The Hobbit''. Thranduil first appears in the level "Barrels Out of Bond", in which he can be overheard speaking about the [[White Council]] and their attack on [[Dol Guldur]]. He returns as a conversation partner in the last level, "The Clouds Burst", in which he and Gandalf ask the player, in the persona of Bilbo, to deliver a message to Bard. No voice actor is specified for this part.

'''2006: ''[[The Lord of the Rings: The Battle for Middle-earth II]]'':'''
:Thranduil is a hero for the Elven faction. In the good campaign, he shows up after the [[Battle of Dale]], and participates in the Siege of [[Dol Guldur]].

'''2017: ''[[The Lord of the Rings Online]]'':'''
:Thranduil's earliest appearances are during the War of the [[Last Alliance]]. He can be found during the [[Battle of Dagorlad]] and later is seen during the [[Siege of Barad-dûr]].

:In the present time, Thranduil is first encountered fighting in [[Mirkwood]] during the last days of the [[War of the Ring]]. He joins the forces of Lord [[Celeborn]] and Lady [[Galadriel]] and their combined host moves on [[Dol Guldur]] where Galadriel brings down the fortress. Afterwards he and Celeborn renamed the forest [[Eryn Lasgalen]] and divide it into three parts, giving the middle section to the [[Woodmen]]. Thranduil then returns to his halls in Felegoth where his son [[Legolas]] and the player join him after the [[One Ring]] is destroyed. Thranduil's people have to deal with an unexpected situation when most of spiders in Mirkwood, except for the very young or very old ones, suddenly depart the forest en masse, travelling south to answer the call of [[Shelob|their mother]]. In their place come the Wood-trolls from the north and Thranduil tasks the player with finding the source of the new threat and preventing it from reaching his borders.

==External links==
*[http://www.theonering.net/torwp/2013/09/15/79209-thranduil-the-fisher-king-and-oberon-why-it-matters/ Thranduil, The Fisher King and Oberon; Why It Matters] by Marthe
*[http://middle-earth.xenite.org/2013/09/27/was-the-elvenking-of-the-hobbit-supposed-to-be-thingol-greycloak/ Was the Elvenking of ''The Hobbit'' Supposed to be Thingol Greycloak?] by [[Michael Martinez]]

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Talk:Eagles

2022-03-02T08:13:13Z

Cellindir: /* Eagles as Maiar */

Maybe the eagles couldn't fly them to Mt. Doom because they were busy in the north and were only able to go south to Mordor after the [[Battle of Dale]], which ended 5 days before the ring was destroyed. {{unsigned|71.135.68.111}}

:Maybe, maybe not. There are, AFAIK, no sources that place the Eagles in the Northern campaign of the War of the Ring. Unless you have a [[Help:References|valid source]], don't add it.

:Whole page needs a makeover anyway. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 07:48, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

::Concerning the makeover: we use the Ainur template on this page, and thus basically say that eagles are Ainur. Shouldn't we note the ambiguity concerning the nature of eagles more clearly? --[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 13:55, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

:::I agree entirely: they could just be large, sentient, long-lived birds (I've also been complaining about the physical size of that template for a while). --{{User:Mith/sig}} 10:14, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

::::In the Lord of the Rings: War in the North video-game developed by Snowblind Studios (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lord_of_the_Rings:_War_in_the_North), this problem is addressed by Mithrandir (Gandalf). He appears whilst the game's adventuring trio have reached Rivendell and are speaking with Elrond (about the Fellowship). Gandalf effectively rebukes the suggestion of air-bearing the Ring with a general answer.
::::The Great Eagles play a great part in the game whose campaign sprawls the north (such as Sarn Ford) (hence the title), so taken as canon, the assertion that the Great Eagles are never placed by a valid source in the Northern campaign of the War of the Ring as asserted by Ederchil, is false.
::::Disclaimer: I've only ever read The Hobbit and only once, I am a casual fan of the movies, and neither a hardcore fan of the plot in WitN (War in the North, the video-game). I recite off of memory. I have never taken the time to study the map provided in the game to determine what constitutes the north; I take from the title and dialogue. --[[User:NiteCyper|NiteCyper]] 05:27, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

quote does not actually appear in letter 210 {{unsigned|74.120.152.117}}

:Yes it does, under section 4. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 07:32, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

== Flying the Ring to Mount Doom ==

With The Eye ever watching, it seems fairly easy to draw the conclusion that all of the military resources present in Mordor, physical or otherwise, would and could be quickly focused on a flock of Eagles flying towards and then over Mordor. This force would, in particular, include Nazgul on their winged beasts. I cannot see any frontal attack, including in the air, being a simple operation. Hobbits in Elven cloaks worked pretty well. {{unsigned|67.118.106.165}}

:There's an eye?--{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 20:40, 25 October 2012 (UTC)

The book treats the ring itself as sentient. The books do not treat the ring as a merely a magical item or tool, but more like a being who let the human king die for killing its master, who discarded Gollum because it no longer needed him, and who kept whispering dark secrets to Bilbo and then Frodo, and wearing down latter's defenses until even his "pure" heart became completely enthralled by its power. As the ringbearer draws closer to Mt. Doom, the ring's corrupting power is also shown to grow exponentially. Bilbo was able to resist its power for 60 years because he was nowhere near Mt. Doom, but Frodo... well. And it only took a very short while for Sam to develop a near inability to part with it, regardless of the halflings' supposed ability to resist its power.

Gandalf's stance when it came to whomever handled the ring reflects this - it was never to fall into the hands of someone with any measure of power (including himself - he wouldn't even so much as touch it) or someone who had any reason (good or bad) for using it. The Eagles would fail both checks. In comparison Lady Galadriel, for all her wisdom and power, very nearly succumbed to the temptation of claiming ring and she was nowhere near Mt. Doom. Frodo merely "offered" her the ring, which is roughly the equivalent of giving another sentient creature complete control over the fate of the ringbearer.

== Eagles and fëar ==

The article currently claims that Silmarillion Ch.2 confirms that the Eagles have no fëar. But there is nothing about it in the actual text! It's only said that the Eagles will appear earlier than some assorted spirits. Perhaps they really are just very smart animals, or perhaps they are a group of spirits that's planned to appear separately from the rest. The text allows both interpretations (in fact, without reading Myths Transformed, you'd likely assume the latter option). The article as it is makes an assuption and calls it a fact. --[[Special:Contributions/46.31.30.41|46.31.30.41]] 09:29, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

I hope the issue is now resolved, Ilma. [[User:Haran|Haran]] 04:37, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

== Eagles as Maiar ==
In ''[[The Nature of Middle-earth]]'' (Part 3, chapter: ''Manwë's Ban'', footnote n. 3, dating from c. 1970), Tolkien states that the Eagles are Maiar who adopted such form.

Given how late this text is, how are we to incorporate it into this article, and other articles concerning the Great Eagles? [[User:IvarTheBoneless|IvarTheBoneless]] 02:15, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

:For some things contained in NoME such as the Undying Lands becoming America I have put them in the "other versions of the legendarium" section, due to that being a one off thing that generally does not agree with the big three published works. However, something like this has commonly been fan speculation for years predating NoME's release. This fact does not sigifnicantly alter the role of the Eagles like some other things in NoME, so personally I would be fine just editing the main text. However, I think it brings to the fore a larger issue: we don't really have a policy of addressing NoMe as a whole. Right now it's just up to the individual to decide if fact 1 can be in the main text while fact 2 must be in the "other versions" section. I think we soon need to decide some kind of policy for NoME.

:Regarding this page, for now I would just put it in the "other versions" section until we can reach a consensus about NoME as a whole.[[User:Turiannerevarine|Turiannerevarine]] 10:58, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

:: Wasn't this note written by Hostetter rather than by Tolkien? [[User:Haran|Haran]] 23:07, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

:::No. This footnote was Tolkien's. --[[User:Quirinius|Quirinius]] 08:13, 2 March 2022 (UTC)