Talk:Elfstone

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Cynfrid: Created page with "In the chapter "Flight to the Ford" in Book I of <u>The Fellowship of the Ring</u>, when Aragorn finds a pale green jewel he says, "It is a beryl, an elf-stone." My reading of this is that elf-stone ''means'' beryl, i.e. that elf-stones are always beryl. Would it not then be more than conjecture to say that any elessar is probably a variety of beryl? Beryls are minerals of a type that includes not just emeralds but also aquamarines (which can come in green). If others ag..."

In the chapter "Flight to the Ford" in Book I of <u>The Fellowship of the Ring</u>, when Aragorn finds a pale green jewel he says, "It is a beryl, an elf-stone." My reading of this is that elf-stone ''means'' beryl, i.e. that elf-stones are always beryl. Would it not then be more than conjecture to say that any elessar is probably a variety of beryl? Beryls are minerals of a type that includes not just emeralds but also aquamarines (which can come in green). If others agree this is a fair conclusion to draw, it might be interesting to include. [[User:Cynfrid|Cynfrid]] ([[User talk:Cynfrid|talk]]) 19:14, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Talk:Council of Elrond

2023-07-11T21:51:03Z

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== Picture ==

This article needs a Fellowship screenshot badly. Someone find one!--[[User:Theoden1|Theoden1]] 18:39, 18 May 2008 (EDT)

:I've added one, but for such a common image it would probably be easiest to just Google it and upload it yourself :) --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 19:41, 18 May 2008 (EDT)

::It's my new pet, so I'll do it. It needs way more than a pic. -- [[User:Ederchil|Ederchil]] 03:53, 19 May 2008 (EDT)

== Would we say that the council was called by Elrond? ==

This page states that the Council was called by Elrond -- but in the chapter "The Council of Elrond" he explicitly says that it was not: "Called, I say, though I have not called you to me..."

I think instead it would be fair to say that the attendees were called by circumstance, or by fate. [[User:Cynfrid|Cynfrid]] ([[User talk:Cynfrid|talk]]) 20:55, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

:I agree, not sure how this got overlooked. Even our own <nowiki>''</nowiki>Portrayal in adaptations<nowiki>''</nowiki> section states, "...This is in contrast to the original text, where fate seems to bring them together." I'll let you do the honors :) Thanks for catching that! [[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] ([[User talk:Hyarion|talk]]) 21:19, 11 July 2023 (UTC)
::Thank you! I made the edit -- my first ever, on any wiki! :) [[User:Cynfrid|Cynfrid]] ([[User talk:Cynfrid|talk]]) 21:51, 11 July 2023 (UTC)

Council of Elrond

2023-07-11T21:49:57Z

Cynfrid: Instead of being called by Elrond, the page now states that the Council was called by fate.

{{disambig-more|Council of Elrond|[[The Council of Elrond (disambiguation)]]}}
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| date=[[25 October]], {{TA|3018}}
| result=Formation of the [[Fellowship of the Ring]]
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The '''Council of Elrond''' was a council led by [[Elrond]], held on [[25 October]] of {{TA|3018}}<ref>{{App|Great}}</ref> in [[Rivendell]]. The attendees were called together at the essential moment by fate, each thinking they were guided only by circumstance.<ref name="Council" /> The main purpose of the council was to discuss what should be done with [[the One Ring]], which was brought there by the [[Ring-bearers|Ring-bearer]] [[Frodo Baggins]].<ref name="Council">{{FR|II2}}</ref>

==Attendees==
The following people are known to have attended the Council:
* [[Elrond]]. As convener of the council and de facto ruler of Rivendell, Elrond headed the Council.
* [[Gandalf]], one of the [[Wizards]], was one of the [[Wise]].
* [[Frodo Baggins]], the [[Ring-bearers|Ring-bearer]], came to Rivendell on the advice of Gandalf.
* [[Bilbo Baggins]], a former Ring-bearer, and the "Ring-finder".
* [[Glorfindel]], a [[Noldor|Noldo]] of Rivendell who had aided Frodo earlier on his travel to Rivendell.
* [[Erestor]], and several unnamed advisers of Elrond's household.
* [[Aragorn]], a [[Rangers of the North|Ranger]], [[Chieftains of the Dúnedain|Chieftain of the Dúnedain]] and [[Heir of Isildur]], who had been Frodo's travel companion, guide and aide since [[Bree]].
* [[Boromir]], son of the [[Denethor|Steward of Gondor]]. His brother [[Faramir]] had a [[Seek for the Sword that was broken|prophetic dream]] thrice, and he himself once. It spoke of "[[Narsil|the Sword that was broken]], "[[Rivendell|Imladris]]", "[[Isildur's Bane]]" and a "[[Hobbits|Halfling]]". In order to find the meaning of the dream, Boromir went to "Imladris" - Rivendell.
* [[Glóin]] and his son [[Gimli]] were sent by [[Dáin Ironfoot|Dáin II Ironfoot]] to warn Bilbo about a messenger from [[Mordor]] who appeared at the gate of [[Lonely Mountain|Erebor]], and asked for information of the One Ring. As king [[Brand]] of [[Dale]] was also encountered, Dáin decided to send messengers to Rivendell. They also came to seek news of what happened to [[Balin's Colony]], which entered [[Moria]] thirty years before.
* [[Legolas]], was sent by his father [[Thranduil]] with ill news. [[Gollum]], put in the custody of the [[Elves of Mirkwood]] by Aragorn, managed to escape after a surprise attack of [[Orcs]].
* [[Galdor of the Havens]], a messenger of [[Círdan]] who just happened to be present at the time. His role in the Council was no larger than asking a couple of questions.

==History==
At the Council, Gandalf, Elrond and Bilbo told the history of the Ring to all. At hearing the potential of "Isildur's Bane", Boromir proposed to use the Ring to defend his native [[Gondor]], and overthrow [[Sauron]], its creator. Gandalf and Elrond were against it, and stated that the Ring was the essence of Sauron, and thus would corrupt and ultimately destroy whoever tried to use it. To dissolve Galdor's doubts, Gandalf spoke about the [[Ring Verse]] that appeared on the Ring, and recited it in [[Black Speech]], angering Elrond in the process.
[[File:Peter Xavier Price - The Lord of Rivendell.jpg|250px|thumb|''The Lord of Rivendell'' by [[Peter Xavier Price]]]]
The fate of the Ring was considered. The Ring was indestructible as it could be unmade only where it was created, in the [[Cracks of Doom|Crack of Doom]] in [[Mount Doom]], and several solutions were proposed. It was suggested to give it to [[Tom Bombadil]] who could not be corrupted, or to send it to [[Valinor]] under the guardianship of the [[Valar]] and the [[Calaquendi|High Elves]]. But it was deemed that the Ring could not be hidden or disposed, as it would remain dangerous for the generations to come.

Eventually it was decided that the only way to be free of Sauron and the Ring was to cast the Ring where it was made.

It then became necessary to decide who should take responsibility for such a perilous undertaking. Bilbo offered to finish the job he had started, but Gandalf told him he could not take back the Ring due to having possessed it for some time. Eventually Frodo surprised everyone including himself by telling them he would take the Ring. After some thought Elrond agreed. At this point Sam emerged from hiding and demanded to accompany Frodo, and since it was hardly possible to separate them Elrond agreed.<ref name="Council"/>

Who would further accompany the "[[Fellowship of the Ring|Company of the Ring]]" was the subject of some debate for the following two months, although it was clear that Gandalf, Aragorn, Boromir, Gimli and Legolas would join them. Elrond opted for two more; "Nine walkers" would counter the "[[Nazgûl|Nine Riders]]". He originally intended to send two of his household, such as Glorfindel, but Gandalf opted to include [[Meriadoc Brandybuck|Merry]] and [[Peregrin Took|Pippin]] instead, as he deemed friendship and loyalty more important than strength.<ref>{{FR|II3}}</ref>

==Portrayal in adaptations==
'''1955: ''[[The Lord of the Rings (1956 radio series)|BBC Radio's The Lord of the Rings]]'':'''
:Not much is known, as information only runs up to the chapter ''[[Many Meetings]]'', but it can at least be deduced that Glóin was present.

'''1978: [[The Lord of the Rings (1978 film)|''The Lord of the Rings'' (1978 film)]]:'''
:Not all of the mentioned people were present. Glorfindel, Glóin, Erestor, Galdor were omitted.

'''1981: [[The Lord of the Rings (1981 radio series)|''The Lord of the Rings'' (1981 radio series)]]:'''
:The Council of Elrond begins without introduction in the sixth episode. Glóin, Galdor and Erestor are omitted.
[[File:The Lord of the Rings - The Fellowship of the Ring - Council of Elrond.jpg|thumb|250px|The Council of Elrond in ''[[The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring]]''.]]
'''2001: ''[[The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring]]'':'''
:The attendants are described as being "summoned", and in the extended edition of ''[[The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers|The Two Towers]]'', it is explicitly stated that the Council was called because the Ring was found; Boromir was ordered by his father to claim it. This is in contrast to the original text, where fate seems to bring them together.

:The process of the council is significantly shortened. There are no or minimal references to the history of the Second Age, the Rings of Power, the [[War of the Ring|current War]], the politics of the races and the characters' backgrounds. The only characters who speak are the protagonists who will later form the [[Fellowship of the Ring|Company of the Ring]]. Unrelated characters (such as Bilbo, Erestor or Glóin) are absent or don't speak at all. According to [[The Lord of the Rings Trading Card Game|Decipher cards]], some of the non-speaking participants are tradesmen from [[Dale]] and [[Lake-town]]. [[Figwit]] is also present.

:The brief council is shadowed by sudden chaos and arguing over who would take the responsibility of the Ring. It is seen that the fight is inflamed by the Ring's evil influence as it sits in the middle of the court. Gandalf puts an end by reciting the [[Ring Verse]], darkening the area and quieting everyone shouting.

:The composition of the Company of the Ring was decided at the council. Sam was not the only one eavesdropping; Merry and Pippin were with him doing the same.

'''2002: [[The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring (video game)|''The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring'' (video game)]]:'''
:Only Elrond, Legolas, Gimli, Boromir, Aragorn, Gandalf and Frodo are mentioned, though the other three Hobbits are also present. The first seven are quickly chosen, but as Elrond tells of two great warriors, Merry and Pippin barge in.

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