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David Salo

2012-07-19T00:07:05Z

David Salo: Removing some extraneous, outdated, or too-personal information.

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'''David I. Salo''' (born February, [[1969]]) is a linguist who worked on languages for ''[[The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy]]'', translating songs, dialogue, and inscriptions into Quenya and Sindarin, and developing or expanding languages for Men, Dwarves and Orcs.

David Salo lives in [[wikipedia:Madison, Wisconsin|Madison, Wisconsin]].

==Tolkien's languages==

Salo's interest in Tolkien's languages arose when he read Tolkien's work as a boy, but press interviews date his extensive knowledge of the languages to the years after the completion of his undergraduate degree. In 1998 he founded the [[Elfling]] mailing list for [[Tolkienists|Tolkienist]] language enthusiasts. In 2004 he published a linguistic analysis of [[Sindarin]]: ''[[A Gateway to Sindarin]]''.

David Salo was contracted for ''The Lord of the Rings'' movies to write all the material in [[Elvish]], [[Khuzdul|Dwarven]] and other languages for the movies, as well as assist with other language-related items such as the [[Tengwar]] and [[Cirth]] inscriptions which appear in the movies. Salo also wrote Elvish lyrics for the movie soundtracks.

For the movies Salo had to create many 'missing' Sindarin and [[Quenya]] words, all of them based on existing words, and grammatically and semantically fitting in with the known material. Since the other languages used in the movies, [[Khuzdul]] and the [[Black Speech]], were not really developed, Salo created entire new languages which fit in with the known words, often called ''neo-Khuzdul'' and ''neo-Black speech'' to set them apart from Tolkien's original languages.

From a post by Salo on the [[Elfling]] list:
{{quote|Why is there Elvish in the movie? Why did [[Peter Jackson]] care enough to strive for some accuracy in the way language is presented? (…) The Elvish in the movie is addressed to the minority of viewers who know something about the languages. And what are they going to want to do when they hear the Elvish sentences? They're going to want to figure out what they mean, and *why* they mean what they mean. Part of *my* intention, my particular vision and contribution to this movie, was to create sentences which would be intelligible to the people who study the languages (…) I'm enormously happy to see some people saying based on their knowledge of Elvish, great or small, that they recognized and understood some of what they heard on the screen. That's great - that's *exactly* the kind of effect that I was looking for.|Salo, [http://groups.yahoo.com/group/elfling/message/8722 Elfling message #8722]}}

==Bibliography==
===Books===
* [[2004]]: ''[[A Gateway to Sindarin]]''
===Articles===
* [[1995]]: ''[[Tyalië Tyelelliéva 7]]''
** "Commentary on Firiel's Song"
* [[1996]]: ''[[Tyalië Tyelelliéva 9]]''
** "Catamando Lire Mincarme"
* [[1997]]: ''[[Tyalië Tyelelliéva 10]]''
** "The Book of Mazarbul as an example of book-making in Middle-earth"
* [[1997]]: ''[[Tyalië Tyelelliéva 11]]''
** "Legolas' Song of Lebennin"
* [[1998]]: ''[[Tyalië Tyelelliéva 12]]''
** "Development of 'Galadriel's Lament'"
* [[2000]]: [[Other Hands 28|''Other Hands'' #28]]
** "A History of the Nandor"
** "A Grammar and Dictionary of Silvan Elvish"
===Other contributions===
*[[1997]]: ''[[Hands of the Healer]]'' [linguistic contribution]

==References==
* Jenny Price, "[http://www.detnews.com/2002/entertainment/0201/03/f08-379930.htm Scholar of Tolkien languages helped 'Rings' movie makers stay authentic to source]", ''Detroit News'', [[2 January|January 2]], [[2002]].
* Susan Lampert Smith, "[http://www.madison.com/wisconsinstatejournal/local/40925.php UW grad student provides translations for Lord of the Rings movies]", ''Wisconsin State Journal'', [[18 January|January 18]], [[2003]])

==External links==
*[http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Elfling/ The Elfling list]

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Talk:David Salo

2012-07-19T00:01:15Z

David Salo: Created page with "Good grief. What a horrible picture. Though I dare say it was one of the few which found me looking at the audience instead of at my notes! (Which con was that, anyway?) ~~~~"

Good grief. What a horrible picture. Though I dare say it was one of the few which found me looking at the audience instead of at my notes! (Which con was that, anyway?) [[User:David Salo|David Salo]] 00:01, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

User:David Salo

2012-07-18T23:55:26Z

David Salo:

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2012-07-18T23:46:22Z

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User talk:Mith/2012

2012-07-18T23:38:10Z

David Salo: Article deletion/merge

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== Template:Book ==

In case we're going to use the Template:Book for magazines and journals it would be great to have a line for "issue", or something similar. I'm thinking that this line would add text to the "title" but not in italics (if you see what I mean). Any idea? --[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 18:44, 3 January 2012 (UTC)

:I have to admit I'm not entirely sold on the principle of one template for both books and journals. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 16:39, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

== Mithbot: The Hobbit(s) ==

It seems like the Mithbot made some strange edits back in 2010 - at least on [http://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Early_American_editions_of_The_Hobbit&action=historysubmit&diff=112203&oldid=105654 one occasion] it changed the link to ''The Hobbit'' to ''The Hobbits''. Do you know why it happened here, and did it possibly happen in other articles as well (which we haven't noticed)?--[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 10:05, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

:Only one other, which I've just fixed. [[Special:WhatLinksHere/The Hobbits|This is quite an easy error to find, after all.]] --{{User:Mith/sig}} 12:07, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

==Happy Birthday==
Happy birthday! --[[User:Amroth|Amroth]] 14:00, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

:Same here. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 14:13, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

==Mithbot: Melkor/Morgoth==

I merged Melkor with Morgoth, as [[Talk:Melkor|per talk page]]. Would you have time to look into letting Mithbot handle the relinking? What do you reckon, should "Melkor" redirect to the section "Melkor" in the article on Morgoth, or just to the Morgoth article itself?--[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 00:02, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

:[[User:KingAragorn Bot|KingAragorn Bot]] feels unloved.--{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 11:10, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

::Oh, sorry - I thought you used the same bot! Feel free to put KingAragorn Bot in work! ;-) --[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 11:23, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

:::Done. I replaced <nowiki>[[Melkor]]</nowiki> with <nowiki>[[Morgoth|Melkor]]</nowiki>.--{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 15:58, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

::::Thanks for having this conversation on my talk page. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 22:56, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

== Addition to the Welcoming message? ==

Do you think we should add something about the confirmation questions (and perhaps also not being able to upload images), disappearing after a few edits, to the automatic welcoming message? I'm thinking that it might be confusing and annoying for newly registered users? --[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 00:44, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

== Fairuse template Sideshow Collectibles ==

Hi Mith,
Could you add [[Template:Fairuse-Sideshowcollectibles]] to the licensing list? --[[User:Amroth|Amroth]] 17:18, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

:Done. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 19:20, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

::Thanks --[[User:Amroth|Amroth]] 10:07, 7 April 2012 (UTC)

== Dagor Dagorlad ==

Will there be any actual work/books related to or based on Dagor Dagorath the battle of all battles as it has remained unfinished for the moment?

== New extension ==

In response to my [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension_requests#Special_page_query_to_find_images_without_a_copyright_license extension request to make a special query page which lists all files without a copyright license], I have received a very helpful reply. As you can see, this solution utilises the [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:DynamicPageList_%28Wikimedia%29 DynamicPageList extension]. It would be useful for this purpose, but no doubt it will come in handy for other tasks too. Could you install it? --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 16:11, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

:Coincidentally, I was advised to go for [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:DynamicPageList_(third-party) this extension]. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 16:29, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

::We could use either extension, it's your call. I would favour the one maintained by Wikimedia. But by all means go for the third-party one if you want to use any of the extra features not available in the Wikimedia extension.--{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 18:07, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

== Article deletion/merge ==

Someone created an article on this wiki for my wife, [[Dorothea Salo]]. Aside from being extremely out of date and inaccurate, it also seems to be getting Dorothea a significant number of unwanted e-mails that really ought to be directed to me. Dorothea hasn't been directly involved in Tolkien fandom for many, many years and she's not running the Elfling mailing list any more -- I am. I'm not sure about your policies and procedures, but it would save Dorothea a good deal of trouble and worry if we could get that article (and links to it) removed; any relevant information can be put on my page, [[David Salo]]. I know that I can't make drastic changes like that by myself, but I also don't see the need of going through some drawn-out deletion discussion; Dorothea is not in any way a "public figure", and she doesn't really want to be discussed online in this sort of venue. As for me, I gather that I am in some minor sense a "public figure", so I'm just going to have to put up with it, but I don't see why she should pay the penalty for my sins! :) [[User:David Salo|David Salo]] 23:38, 18 July 2012 (UTC)