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Grey Mountains

2007-04-26T14:26:58Z

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The '''Grey Mountains''' (or '''Ered Mithrin''' in [[Sindarin]]) was a large mountain range to the north of [[Rhovanion]]. They were the last remnants of the wall of the [[Iron Mountains]], which once stretched all over the north of [[Middle-earth]], but were broken at the end of the [[First Age]].

North of the Grey Mountains lay the [[Northern Waste]]. This land was known as [[Dor Daedelos]] during the First Age, but most of it was destroyed in the breaking of [[Arda]].

Where the Grey Mountains met with the [[Misty Mountains]] lay [[Mount Gundabad]], an ancient [[Dwarves|Dwarven]] holy site and later the capitol for the [[Orcs]] of the north. During the [[Third Age]], the branch of the Grey Mountains west of the Misty Mountains were also known as the '''[[Mountains of Angmar]]''', as they were within the [[Angmar|Kingdom of Angmar]].

The eastern end of the Grey Mountains was split in two branches, and in between lay the [[Withered Heath]], where [[Dragons]] still bred. After that was a long gap, until the [[Iron Hills]] continued the old line of the Iron Mountains again. [[Erebor]], the Lonely Mountain, was not part of either range.

From east to west the mountains stretched some 350 Númenórean Miles, and the sources of the Great River [[Anduin]], the river [[Greylin]], and the [[Forest River]] of [[Mirkwood]] arose in this range.

After fleeing Khazad-dum Durin's folk scattered, and later gathered again in the '''Grey Mountains''', but after six hundred years all the Dwarven strongholds had been abandoned or raided by [[dragons]]. Its sole purpose now seemed to be to divide Forodwaith from [[Wilderland]]. Although it seems that the Orcs started moving into the mountains after the Dwarves fleed, and were a large threat until after the [[Battle of Five Armies]].

It seems according to some hints in The Hobbit, and Appendix A of the Return of the King, that some Dwarves still dwelt in the Ered Mithrin during the late Third Age. So it is likely after the War of the Ring, the Dwarves drove the Dragons and Orcs totally from the mountains and reclaimed their halls and mines in the Grey Mountains and likely established new ones.

== Other Versions of the Legendarium ==
Another line of "Grey Mountains" in Middle-earth are seen on the [[Ambarkanta]] map: these are a series of mountains which continue the line of the [[Blue Mountains]] as the western edge of [[Endor]], but on the southern half of the continent. Since no maps of the entire world exist after the [[First Age]], it is unknown if this mountain line still existed in the Third Age. In any case they do not appear in any narrative.

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Grey Mountains

2007-04-26T14:25:42Z

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The '''Grey Mountains''' (or '''Ered Mithrin''' in [[Sindarin]]) was a large mountain range to the north of [[Rhovanion]]. They were the last remnants of the wall of the [[Iron Mountains]], which once stretched all over the north of [[Middle-earth]], but were broken at the end of the [[First Age]].

North of the Grey Mountains lay [[Forodwaith (lands)|Forodwaith]], or the Northern Waste. This land was known as [[Dor Daedelos]] during the First Age, but most of it was destroyed in the breaking of [[Arda]].

Where the Grey Mountains met with the [[Misty Mountains]] lay [[Mount Gundabad]], an ancient [[Dwarves|Dwarven]] holy site and later the capitol for the [[Orcs]] of the north. During the [[Third Age]], the branch of the Grey Mountains west of the Misty Mountains were also known as the '''[[Mountains of Angmar]]''', as they were within the [[Angmar|Kingdom of Angmar]].

The eastern end of the Grey Mountains was split in two branches, and in between lay the [[Withered Heath]], where [[Dragons]] still bred. After that was a long gap, until the [[Iron Hills]] continued the old line of the Iron Mountains again. [[Erebor]], the Lonely Mountain, was not part of either range.

From east to west the mountains stretched some 350 Númenórean Miles, and the sources of the Great River [[Anduin]], the river [[Greylin]], and the [[Forest River]] of [[Mirkwood]] arose in this range.

After fleeing Khazad-dum Durin's folk scattered, and later gathered again in the '''Grey Mountains''', but after six hundred years all the Dwarven strongholds had been abandoned or raided by [[dragons]]. Its sole purpose now seemed to be to divide Forodwaith from [[Wilderland]]. Although it seems that the Orcs started moving into the mountains after the Dwarves fleed, and were a large threat until after the [[Battle of Five Armies]].

It seems according to some hints in The Hobbit, and Appendix A of the Return of the King, that some Dwarves still dwelt in the Ered Mithrin during the late Third Age. So it is likely after the War of the Ring, the Dwarves drove the Dragons and Orcs totally from the mountains and reclaimed their halls and mines in the Grey Mountains and likely established new ones.

== Other Versions of the Legendarium ==
Another line of "Grey Mountains" in Middle-earth are seen on the [[Ambarkanta]] map: these are a series of mountains which continue the line of the [[Blue Mountains]] as the western edge of [[Endor]], but on the southern half of the continent. Since no maps of the entire world exist after the [[First Age]], it is unknown if this mountain line still existed in the Third Age. In any case they do not appear in any narrative.

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Gundabad

2007-04-26T14:19:40Z

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'''Mount Gundabad''' is a mountain at the northern end of the [[Misty Mountains]].

According to the [[Dwarves]], [[Durin]] the Deathless, oldest of the [[Fathers of the Dwarves]], awoke at Mount Gundabad in the north of the Misty Mountains shortly after the [[Awakening of the Elves]]. Mount Gundabad remained a sacred holy site to the Dwarves ever after.

In the [[Third Age]], the [[Orcs]] of [[Angmar]] claimed it as their capital, which was one of the reasons for the Dwarves' special hatred of this people. After the fall of Angmar Gundabad remained an Orc stronghold, until it was cleaned of Orcs during the [[War of the Dwarves and Orcs]]. But the Orcs repopulated it over the next two hundred years, although after the [[Battle of Five Armies]], there probably weren't as many.

'''Mount Gundabad''' was the rally point of the armies of [[Bolg]] the Goblin chieftain, who would later go on to fight the Battle of Five Armies.

It is likely that the Dwarves, with the aid of King [[Elessar]] destroyed the [[Goblins]] of '''Gundabad''', along with the rest of the [[Orcs of the Mountains]], and the Dwarves were able to repopulate Gundabad.

'''Gundabad''' is a [[Khuzdul]] word probably meaning underground hall. Although, Gunda probably comes from the word ''Gunud'', meaning excavate or tunnel.

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Haradwaith

2007-04-13T19:58:20Z

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'''Haradwaith''' was a land or region to the south of [[Gondor]] and [[Mordor]]. The name is loosely translated into "Southern Waste. "Har" meaning South, like (Har)lond is South of Forlond and "waith" meaning waste, such as the wastelands of [[Enedwaith]] and [[Forodwaith]]. Forodwaith loosely translates into "Northen Waste". "For" meaning North such as (For)lond which is North of Harlond and (For)ochel. Unlike Forodwaith that is mostly all snow, or the whole Icy region in the north containing [[Forodwaith]] and [[Forochel]] which is called [[Northern Waste]], Haradwaith is all desert with a few Oasis and areas where Haradrim Tribes lived. We have very few direct references to Haradwaith, so its borders and extent are difficult to estimate. It may be a broad term, identical in meaning to the more common [[Harad]]. However, the few references we do have all seem to refer to the seaward lands around the [[Haven of Umbar]], so the name may relate specifically to this area.

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Haradwaith

2007-04-13T19:56:11Z

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'''Haradwaith''' was a land or region to the south of [[Gondor]] and [[Mordor]]. The name is loosely translated into "Southern Waste. "Har" meaning South, like (Har)lond is South of Forlond and "waith" meaning waste, such as the wastelands of [[Enedwaith]] and [[Forodwaith]]. Forodwaith loosely translates into "Northen Waste". "For" meaning North such as (For)lond which is North of Harlond and (For)ochel. Unlike Forodwaith that is mostly all snow, or the whole Icy region in the north containing [[Forodwaith]] and [[Forochel]] which is We have very few direct references to Haradwaith, so its borders and extent are difficult to estimate. It may be a broad term, identical in meaning to the more common [[Harad]]. However, the few references we do have all seem to refer to the seaward lands around the [[Haven of Umbar]], so the name may relate specifically to this area.

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Shelob

2006-12-02T04:30:35Z

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'''Shelob''' is a Giant Spider-like creature, she appears at the end of the second volume of ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'', where her attack leads to [[Sam Gamgee]]'s key decision to take over the quest to destroy the [[One Ring]].

==Shelob in the books==
[[Image:John Howe - Sam and Shelob.jpg|right|thumb|300px|[[Sam]] battles ''Shelob'' by [[John Howe]]]]

Shelob is a huge creature in spider form, high in the mountains of [[Mordor]], the last of the spawn of [[Ungoliant]]. Shelob spent her early days feeding off elves and men. Later on when elves and men no longer traveled to [[Mordor]] on regular occasions, she was fed [[Orcs]] by [[Sauron]]. Sauron would often feed her captured prisoners that he had no further use for. Even though they could not communicate, they both understood eachother. Shelob was like a pet to Sauron, and it was good because she guarded the pass of [[Cirith Ungol]] to prevent any intruders from entering the dark land.(She may be a form of evil spirit, possibly a [[Maiar|Maia]] or with Maiar blood, instead of an actual spider.) Her lair is along the path that [[Sam Gamgee]] and [[Frodo Baggins]] take while seeking [[Mount Doom]]. Apparently she has some sort of understanding with [[Gollum]], whom the [[Orcs]] of the Tower of [[Cirith Ungol]] call "Her Shelob's Sneak".

She attacks and stings Frodo, who lapses into a death-like coma. Sam manages to defeat her by letting her impale herself upon Frodo's sword while trying to crush him, and she flees to her lair, wounded.

Thinking Frodo dead, Sam takes the [[One Ring]] from him and leaves his body behind, but discovers by listening to a party of Orcs that Shelob's venom is not intended to kill its victims but only to render them unconscious and keep their meat fresh.

Shelob occupies Terech Ungol beneath [[Cirith Ungol]], and may have once lived in [[Beleriand]], possibly in the [[Ered Gorgoroth]].

Shelob's brood (upon whom she would often feed) include the giant (but relatively smaller) spiders who capture [[Bilbo Baggins]]' Dwarf allies in [[Mirkwood]].

The name ''Shelob'' is derived from "lob", an archaic English word for spider. A variation, "cob" is the derivation of the word "cobweb".

==Film version==
[[Image:Shelob's face.jpg|thumb|left|Shelob's face from [[Peter Jackson's The Return of the King]].]]
In [[Peter Jackson's The Lord of the Rings]] based on the books, Shelob's appearance is held over until the middle of the third movie, ''[[Peter Jackson's The Return of the King|The Return of the King]]''.

In the movie, Shelob can be seen to have a retractable venomous sting at the rear end between the spinnerets, resembling a wasp's sting. This is very much unlike real spiders which inject venom with their fangs but accurate relative to the novel. Shelob also appears to have a gaping mouth, whereas real spiders can ingest only liquid. In the book, on the other hand, "clusters" of eyes are mentioned, which may suggest compound eyes like those of insects; the Shelob in the movie does ''not'' have compound eyes, which is appropriate. A hunting spider of the family Lycosidae, which Shelob most closely resembles, would have two large eyes facing forward, and a few smaller ones almost hidden below. The only spiders that can reasonably be said to have "clustered" eyes (though not true compound eyes) are the daddy long-legs spiders of the family Pholcidae, but Shelob does not resemble these rather spindly and fragile spiders in other aspects of her physique.

===See also===
* [[:Category:Images of Shelob|Images of Shelob]]

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Alatar

2006-12-02T04:21:20Z

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'''Alatar''' was one of the five [[Wizards]] who came to the northwest of [[Middle-earth]] in the [[Third Age]]; he journeyed into the east with [[Pallando]] as a [[Blue Wizard]], and never returned to the western lands.

Alatar was one of the original three Wizards selected by the [[Valar]] for the journey from [[Valinor]] to Middle-earth (the other two being [[Curumo]] and [[Olórin]]; [[Saruman]] and [[Gandalf]]).

Alatar and Pallando arrived in Middle-earth dressed in sea-blue. For this reason, they were together given the name ''Ithryn Luin'', the "[[Blue Wizards]]". With Saruman, they journeyed into the far east of Middle-earth, but while Saruman returned to the west, Alatar and Pallando did not. Of their fate, we know almost nothing.

[[J.R.R. Tolkien|Tolkien]] mentioned in his letters that he did not know what happened to them, and that the evil power in the east was likely too great, and they probably succumbed like Saruman and founded evil cults. It is also likely that they perished in the east, or they had a permanent task to complete. This supposition was, however, contradicted in a later writing, stating that they probably had a great influence for the better on the War of the Ring, and without them the West might not have won.

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Far Harad

2006-12-02T04:20:15Z

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The distant lands far to the south of [[Gondor]]. The name simply means the Far South (as opposed to [[Near Harad]], the more familiar southern lands). The terrain consisted mostly of desert and a jungle. The people that lived there were unlike those of [[Neard Harad]]. The all did however live in tribes, but the men of Far Harad were black skinned unlike the brown skinned men of [[Near Hard]]. It was a scorched dry exotic land. It was a region almost unknown to the peoples of the northwestern parts of [[Middle-earth]]. Nonetheless, some of its fierce people travelled north at the time of the [[War of the Ring]], and fought on the side of [[Sauron]] at the [[Battle of the Pelennor Fields]]. [[Oliphaunts]] could be found in a great forest in near '''Far Harad'''

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Far Harad

2006-12-02T04:19:01Z

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The distant lands far to the south of [[Gondor]]. The name simply means the Far South (as opposed to [[Near Harad]], the more familiar southern lands). The terrain consisted mostly of desert and a jungle. The people that lived there were unlike those of Neard Harad. The all did however live in tribes, but the men of Far Harad were black skinned unlike the brown skinned men of Near Hard. It was a scorched dry exotic land. It was a region almost unknown to the peoples of the northwestern parts of [[Middle-earth]]. Nonetheless, some of its fierce people travelled north at the time of the [[War of the Ring]], and fought on the side of [[Sauron]] at the [[Battle of the Pelennor Fields]]. [[Oliphaunts]] could be found in a great forest in near '''Far Harad'''

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Far Harad

2006-12-02T04:17:00Z

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The distant lands far to the south of [[Gondor]]. The name simply means the Far South (as opposed to [[Near Harad]], the more familiar southern lands). The terrain consisted mostly of desert and a jungle. It was a scorched dry exotic land. It was a region almost unknown to the peoples of the northwestern parts of [[Middle-earth]]. Nonetheless, some of its fierce people travelled north at the time of the [[War of the Ring]], and fought on the side of [[Sauron]] at the [[Battle of the Pelennor Fields]]. [[Oliphaunts]] could be found in a great forest in near '''Far Harad'''

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User talk:Dwarf Lord

2006-11-28T02:43:59Z

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== Hello there ==

Welcome Dwarf Lord, I see you have been quite busy! Your contributions to the wiki have been great and it has helped to keep me from slacking off, just wanted to thank you for all the help. If you ever want to discuss anything feel free to pick my brain [http://tolkiengateway.net/java/ in our chatroom] or [[User_talk:Hyarion|on my talk page]] or in the [[Tolkien_Gateway_talk:Community_Portal|Community Portal]]. Thanks again for your contributions. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 02:40, 30 March 2006 (EST)

== Barrowdowns.com eh? ==

Just noticed you were from [http://www.barrowdowns.com Barrowdowns.com], very cool, one of my favorite message boards. Maybe you would like this idea I've had. Let's face it, we can't put ''everything'' into a single article. Especially subjects which are debatable. For instance I think it would be cool if at the bottom of the [[Orcs]] page we linked to the BD thread [http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?t=2079 orcs and goblins- what's the difference???]. This way visitors could find relevant discussions on the topic at hand, plus we are helping BD out by sending some visitors their way. I've already started this in articles such as the [[Entwives]] one. Let me know what you think. Maybe we could get a thread on BD asking people to reply with threads that they deem informative enough to be linked to. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 18:56, 30 March 2006 (EST)

hi, u wanted the place I got Nan Ungol from, and yes it was TheLandofShadow.com I looked on a poster of Mordor to confirm its existance as well.

== Melko ==

Regarding [[Telimektar]], you continue to change [[Melko]] to [[Melkor]]. In these instances Melko is an earlier form of Melkor and is in fact the title of the of the text so they should be left as is. Thanks. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 02:46, 1 April 2006 (EST)

==Minor Edits==

Just so you know, when you make minor edits, such as concerning categories, creating redirects, minor grammer and spelling, it is usually a good idea to check the box above the '''Submit''' button that says "''this is a minor edit''". I notice that you haven't been doing so, and I'm not sure if you didn't realize about it or what. . . --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]]

I did know, I just forget to do it. --[[User:Dwarf Lord|Dwarf Lord]] 19:15, 16 October 2006 (EDT)

== Chat ==

Hey DL, [[User:Tar-Telperien|Tar-Telperien]] and I can almost always be found in our [[Tolkien Gateway:Chat|IRC Chat]], Narfil has been stopping by as well. We'd love it if we could see you stop by sometime as chatting can sometimes be much more effective and easier means of discussion. Eventually we'd like to setup weekly meetings to discuss the affairs of the website. The easiest way to connect is by simply [http://tolkiengateway.net/java/ clicking here], don't be a stranger :) --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 16:32, 5 November 2006 (EST)

Thanks for the invite, will check it out. --[[User:Dwarf Lord|Dwarf Lord]] 23:32, 5 November 2006 (EST)

Nan Ungol

2006-11-28T02:33:55Z

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Nan Ungol is a small valley in the bottom left corner of Mordor. This is supposely where some of Shelob's children went traveling south. It is said that none who enter this valley come back alive

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Nan Ungol

2006-11-27T17:05:26Z

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Nan Ungol is a small valley in the bottom right corner of Mordor. This is supposely where some of Shelob's children wen traveling south. It is said that none who enter this valley come back alive

Alatar

2006-11-27T16:51:36Z

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| death= Unknown
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| robes= Sea-blue
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'''Alatar''' was one of the five [[Wizards]] who came to the northwest of [[Middle-earth]] in the [[Third Age]]; he journeyed into the east with [[Pallando]] as a [[Blue Wizard]], and never returned to the western lands.

Alatar was one of the original three Wizards selected by the [[Valar]] for the journey from [[Valinor]] to Middle-earth (the other two being [[Curumo]] and [[Olórin]]; [[Saruman]] and [[Gandalf]]).

Alatar and Pallando arrived in Middle-earth dressed in sea-blue. For this reason, they were together given the name ''Ithryn Luin'', the "[[Blue Wizards]]". With Saruman, they journeyed into the far east of Middle-earth, but while Saruman returned to the west, Alatar and Pallando did not. Of their fate, we know almost nothing.

[[J.R.R. Tolkien|Tolkien]] mentioned in his letters that he did not know what happened to them, and that the evil power in the east was likely too great, and they probably succumbed like Saruman and founded evil cults. It is also likely that they perished in the east, or they had a permanent task to conplete. This supposition was, however, contradicted in a later writing, stating that they probably had a great influence for the better on the War of the Ring, and without them the West might not have won.

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Northern Waste

2006-11-27T16:21:39Z

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The '''Northern Waste''' was a cold and icy region in the far north end of [[Middle-earth]], located above [[Mount Gundabad]] and the [[Ered Mithrin]]. It was composed mostly of snow and ice; however it did have several great frozen lakes, and a few unfrozen lakes that had bitterly cold waters. However there was life in this freezing cold region.

The [[Cold-drakes]] of the North, which drove the [[Dwarves]] out of the Grey Mountains, came from the Northern Waste. The Drakes killed Dain I and his son Frór outside their Halls in the Grey Mountains. The Dwarves then fled to [[Erebor]] and the [[Iron Hills]] It is likely that the "[[Goblins]] and [[Hobgoblins]]" that later colonized the Ered Mithrin drove most of the Cold Drakes back into the Northern Waste.

There were also men up in the wastes called the Lossoth. They lived in different tribes and were often at war with eachother, especially against the tribes in [[Forochel]] and [[Forodwaith]]. It is also said that some of the Northern Waste Tribes aided the Witch King during his destruction of Eriador. It was most likely because of their disliking of the the southern regions and out of fear. The less hostile Lossoth of [[Forodwaith]] and [[Forochel]] stayed neutral until the last king of Arnor (King Arvedui) came out of hiding in [[Mount Gundabad]] and asked for aid from the Lossoth of Forochel. They unwillingly aided him. He later took a ship through the Icebay of Forochel, but perished in a storm and sank to the bottom of the sea along with the palantir of the North.

It is also possible that this is where the Snow Trolls dwell. Snow Trolls never appeared in Tolkien's work but it is infered that they exist because there is an encription of one on the Horn of [[Helms Deep]]. It is likely that the king of Gondor made peace with the Lossoth of the Northern Waste, and the Dwarves reclaimed the halls in the Grey Mountains in the early fourth age.

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Northern Waste

2006-11-27T16:19:33Z

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The '''Northern Waste''' was a cold and icy region in the far north end of[[Middle-earth]], located above [[Mount Gundabad]] and the [[Ered Mithrin]]. It was composed mostly of snow and ice; however it did have several great frozen lakes, and a few unfrozen lakes that had bitterly cold waters. However there was life in this freezing cold region.

The [[Cold-drakes]] of the North, which drove the [[Dwarves]] out of the Grey Mountains, came from the Northern Waste. The Drakes killed Dain I and his son Frór outside their Halls in the Grey Mountains. The Dwarves then fled to [[Erebor]] and the [[Iron Hills]] It is likely that the "[[Goblins]] and [[Hobgoblins]]" that later colonized the Ered Mithrin drove most of the Cold Drakes back into the Northern Waste.

There were also men up in the wastes called the Lossoth. They lived in different tribes and were often at war with eachother, especially against the tribes in [[Forochel]] and [[Forodwaith]]. It is also said that some of the Northern Waste Tribes aided the Witch King during his destruction of Eriador. It was most likely because of their disliking of the the southern regions and out of fear. The less hostile Lossoth of [[Forodwaith]] and [[Forochel]] stayed neutral until the last king of Arnor (King Arvedui) came out of hiding in [[Mt.Gundabad]] and asked for aid from the Lossoth of Forochel. They unwillingly aided him. He later took a ship through the Icebay of Forochel, but perished in a storm and sank to the bottom of the sea along with the palantir of the North.

It is also possible that this is where the Snow Trolls dwell. Snow Trolls never appeared in Tolkien's work but it is infered that they exist because there is an encription of one on the Horn of [[Helms Deep]]. It is likely that the king of Gondor made peace with the Lossoth of the Northern Waste, and the Dwarves reclaimed the halls in the Grey Mountains in the early fourth age.

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Northern Waste

2006-11-27T16:11:17Z

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The '''Northern Waste''' was a cold and icy region in the far north end of[[Middle-earth]], including the realms of [[Forochel]] and [[Forodwaith (lands)|Forodwath]], located above [[Mount Gundabad]] and the [[Ered Mithrin]]. It was composed mostly of snow and ice; however it did have several great frozen lakes. Little is known about the area.

The [[Cold-drakes]], which plagued the [[Dwarves]] often, came from these realms. It is likely that the "[[Goblins]] and [[Hobgoblins]]" that later colonized the Ered Mithrin drove most of the Cold Drakes back into the Northern Waste.

There were also men up in the wastes called the Lossoth. They lived in different tribes and were often at war with eachother, especially against the tribes in [[Forochel]] and [[Forodwaith]]. It is also said that some of the Northern Waste Tribes aided the Witch King during his destruction of Eriador. It was most likely because of their disliking of the the southern regions and out of fear. The less hostile Lossoth of Forodwaith and [[Forochel]] stayed neutral until the last king of Arnor (King Arvedui) came out of hiding in [[Mt.Gundabad]] and asked for aid from the Lossoth of Forochel. They unwillingly aided him. He later took a ship through the Icebay of Forochel, but perished in a storm and sank to the bottom of the sea along with the palantir of the North.

It is also possible that this is where the Snow Trolls dwell. Snow Trolls never appeared in Tolkien's work but it is infered that they exist because there is an encription of one on the Horn of [[Helms Deep]]

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Northern Waste

2006-11-27T15:44:11Z

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Northern Waste

2006-11-25T22:34:05Z

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The Northern Waste was a cold and icy region in the far north end of Middle Earth. The land was mostly snow and ice; however it did have several great lakes, some covered with snow and ice. It was the region above Mount Gundabad and the Ered Mithrin (Grey Mountains). Little is known about the area except of the life and terrain of it. The Cold Drakes of the Northern Waste were the Dragons that attacked the Dwarves in the year 2510 of the Third Age, killing one of the Dwarven leaders. It is likely that the Goblins and Hobgoblins that later colonized the Ered Mithrin drove most of the Cold Drakes back into the Northern Waste. It is also very likely that this is where the Snow Trolls Dwelt. The Snow Trolls are a complete myth, the only inference we have of them is a carving of one on the horn of Helms Deep. This is also where Helloth, fabled ice-city of the Snow-elves that guards Helecthil, the mysterious source of the northern lights. The land also contained White Wolves and Snow Lions which were commonly wondering the land around the water sources. The Northern Waste also consisted of evil men who were much more hostile than the men of Forodwaith and Forochel. Like the men of Forochel, the snowmen of the Waste lived in igloos and ice fortresses. The Northern Waste men were often fighting with the men of Forodwaith and Forochel due to tribal rivalry. It is said that the men of the Waste aided The Witch King of Angmar during his siege of Eriador. The men of the Northern Waste made peace with the King of Gondor during the early fourth age.