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Hall of Lore

2023-12-15T08:04:20Z

English Lady: /* Deviation from Lore */

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The '''Hall of Lore''' is a building that was located within the [[Elenna|island]] kingdom of [[Númenor]]. The Hall of Lore was invented for ''[[The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power]]'' by [[Amazon Studios]].

== History ==
The Hall of Lore was built by [[Elros]] himself. According to [[Elendil]], the only reason why it still stands was because of [[Tar-Palantir]].

During the late [[Second Age]], Elendil is tasked by [[Tar-Míriel|Queen Regent Míriel]] to guard [[Galadriel]], making sure that she does not do anything to harm Númenor. Elendil takes Galadriel to the Hall of Lore, travelling a quarter day’s ride to get there.

Upon arriving at the Hall of Lore, Galadriel learns from Elendil that their last king, [[Tar-Palantir]], is still alive and loyal to the [[Elves]]. She also learns that the sigil that she sought the meaning of is actually a map of the [[Mordor|Southlands]]. The parchment tells of a plan to be enacted after the defeat of [[Morgoth]].

== Deviation from Lore ==
There is no reference to the Hall of Lore in [[J.R.R. Tolkien|Tolkien]]'s writings. It may have been inspired by the Gondorian Archives shown early on in [[Peter Jackson]]'s [[The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring|movie adaptation]] of ''[[The Fellowship of the Ring]],'' which depicts a series of rooms filled with scrolls and dusty old manuscripts.

None of the writings of J.R.R Tolkien mention Galadriel having personally visited [[Númenor]]. She was travelling with her husband [[Celeborn]] and establishing a kingdom of her own at the time when the series is set. It is also impossible that Galadriel would have found a reference to the Southlands there, because Mordor was already known to be desolate, volcanic wasteland by this point in the Second Age and the Elves already suspected it was a place where evil forces were lingering. A passage in Aldarion and Erendis which is set in the first millenium of the Second Age, refers to Gil-Galad learning about rumours of dark forces gathering in Mordor and the possible return of Sauron.

In Tolkien's work, [[Tar-Míriel|Míriel]] was also never Queen Regent because her father, [[Tar-Palantir|Tar-Palantir,]] was never deposed or forced to resign from his throne.
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Hall of Lore

2023-12-15T07:58:15Z

English Lady:

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The '''Hall of Lore''' is a building that was located within the [[Elenna|island]] kingdom of [[Númenor]]. The Hall of Lore was invented for ''[[The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power]]'' by [[Amazon Studios]].

== History ==
The Hall of Lore was built by [[Elros]] himself. According to [[Elendil]], the only reason why it still stands was because of [[Tar-Palantir]].

During the late [[Second Age]], Elendil is tasked by [[Tar-Míriel|Queen Regent Míriel]] to guard [[Galadriel]], making sure that she does not do anything to harm Númenor. Elendil takes Galadriel to the Hall of Lore, travelling a quarter day’s ride to get there.

Upon arriving at the Hall of Lore, Galadriel learns from Elendil that their last king, [[Tar-Palantir]], is still alive and loyal to the [[Elves]]. She also learns that the sigil that she sought the meaning of is actually a map of the [[Mordor|Southlands]]. The parchment tells of a plan to be enacted after the defeat of [[Morgoth]].

== Deviation from Lore ==
There is no reference to the Hall of Lore in [[J.R.R. Tolkien|Tolkien]]'s writings. It may have been inspired by the Gondorian Archives shown early on in [[Peter Jackson]]'s [[The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring|movie adaptation]] of ''[[The Fellowship of the Ring]],'' which depicts a series of rooms filled with scrolls and dusty old manuscripts.

None of the writings of J.R.R Tolkien mention Galadriel having personally visited [[Númenor]]. She was travelling with her husband [[Celeborn]] and establishing a kingdom of her own at the time when the series is set. It is also impossible that Galadriel would have found a reference to the Southlands there, because Mordor was already known to be desolate, volcanic wasteland by this point in the Second Age and the Elves already suspected it was a place where evil forces were lingering. A passage in Aldarion and Erendis refers to Gil-Galad learning about rumours of dark forces gathering in Mordor and the possible return of Sauron.

In Tolkien's work, [[Tar-Míriel|Míriel]] was also never Queen Regent because her father, [[Tar-Palantir|Tar-Palantir,]] was never deposed or forced to resign from his throne.
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Finrod

2023-11-14T20:38:14Z

English Lady: /* Television */ the term used in the series is "light in the sky" this is singular instead of plural, suggesting that it does not refer to starlight. The High Elves of Valinor did not live under starlight, so this wouldn't make sense anyway.

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{{Quote|King Finrod Felagund, fairest and most beloved of the [[house of Finwë]].|''[[Quenta Silmarillion]]'', "[[Of Beren and Lúthien]]"}}

'''Finrod''' was an [[Elves|Elven]] king of the [[Noldor]], eldest son of [[Finarfin]] and older brother to [[Angrod]], [[Aegnor]] and [[Galadriel]]. Finrod was like his father in his fair face and golden hair, and also in his noble and generous heart.

In [[Beleriand]], Finrod became the ruler of [[Nargothrond]], taking the [[Epessë|after-name]] of '''Felagund'''. He was a wise, just and powerful Elf, and a great traveller.<ref>[[Robert Foster]], ''[[The Complete Guide to Middle-earth]]'', p. 144</ref>

== History ==
Finrod was born in [[Eldamar]] in the [[Year of the Trees 1300]], the same as his cousin [[Turgon]].<ref>{{AA|85|note}}</ref> They were friends, and his beloved was [[Amarië]] of the [[Vanyar]].

Finrod was among those who opposed [[Fëanor]] and the [[Exile of the Noldor]]. However, when the Noldor were set to depart from [[Aman]], he joined them, for he would not be sundered from his friends and his people who were eager to go. Also, he had no wish to abandon his people to Fëanor's rule.<ref>{{S|Flight}}</ref>

=== Return of the Noldor ===
Finrod, along with his father, led the rear of the host along with many of the noblest and wisest of the Noldor; and often they looked behind them to see their fair city, especially Finrod, for he had to leave Amarië behind. With him, he brought along many treasures from [[Tirion]],<ref name=return>{{S|Return}}</ref> including [[Ring of Barahir|his Ring]].<ref name=beren>{{S|Beren}}</ref>

Finrod and his people did not participate in the [[Kinslaying at Alqualondë]]. While they were travelling up the coast of [[Araman]], the [[Valar|Vala]] [[Mandos]] appeared and pronounced the [[Doom of the Noldor]], and in that hour, Finarfin forsook the march and returned to [[Valinor]] with many of his people. However, Finrod and his siblings went forward still and led their people on the long and perilous march to [[Middle-earth]].

=== Life in Beleriand ===
After their victory in the [[Dagor-nuin-Giliath]], the Noldor started building their numerous realms. Finrod established the tower of [[Minas Tirith (Beleriand)|Minas Tirith]] on the island of [[Tol Sirion]]. Once, while journeying southward along the river [[Sirion]], Finrod and his friend [[Turgon]] encamped upon its banks. [[Ulmo]], coming up the river, laid a deep sleep upon them and heavy dreams; and it seemed to each that he was bidden to prepare for a day of evil, and to establish a retreat, lest [[Morgoth]] should burst from [[Angband]] and overthrow the armies of the North.

[[File:Mysilvergreen - Finrod Felagund.jpg|left|thumb|''Finrod Felagund'' by [[:Category:Images by Mysilvergreen|Mysilvergreen]]]]
Now on a time Finrod and his sister [[Galadriel]] were guests of King [[Thingol|Elu Thingol]], their kinsman in [[Doriath]]. There, Finrod told Thingol of his admiration for the halls of [[Menegroth]]; and Thingol spoke to him of the deep gorge of the river [[Narog]] and told him about the caves under the [[High Faroth]] in its deep western shore. Thus Finrod came to the [[Caverns of Narog]] and established there deep halls and armouries; and that stronghold was called [[Nargothrond]]. In this he was aided by the [[Dwarves]] of the [[Blue Mountains]], and Finrod rewarded them with many jewels from Valinor. In that time, the [[Nauglamír]] was made for him, the Necklace of the Dwarves. After Nargothrond was made, Finrod committed Minas Tirith to the keeping of [[Orodreth]], his nephew, and was referred to by the additional name of ''Felagund'', an honorific title given him by the Dwarves, meaning a "Maker of Caves".

The realm of Nargothrond extended to the sea, excluding the [[Falas]]. Finrod was a friend and ally of [[Círdan]], and had also built the tower [[Barad Nimras]] upon the cape.<ref>{{S|14}}</ref>

=== Encounter with Men ===
[[File:Steamey - Finrod, Beor and the Green-elves of Ossiriand.jpg|thumb|''Finrod, Beor and the Green-elves of Ossiriand'' by [[:Category:Images by Steamey|Steamy]]]]
When over three hundred years had passed since the Noldor came to Beleriand, Finrod journeyed east of Sirion and went hunting with [[Maglor]] and [[Maedhros]], two of the [[sons of Fëanor]]. But he wearied of the hunt and passed on alone towards the mountains of [[Ered Lindon]]. There, in the lands of [[Thargelion]], in [[East Beleriand]], Finrod was the first of the Noldor to come across [[Men]]. These were the kindred and followers of [[Bëor]] [[The Old]]. He went among them while they were sleeping and, picking up a harp which Bëor had laid aside, played music upon it such as the ears of men had not heard. When the men awoke and listened to his song, each thought that he was in some fair dream. He long stayed with them, learning [[Taliska|their language]] and teaching them [[Sindarin]]. He also intervened on behalf of the [[Laiquendi]] of [[Ossiriand]], who feared Men would destroy their home, and he got permission of [[Thingol]], who held rule over all [[Beleriand]], to guide the Men to [[Estolad]].<ref name=West>{{S|West}}</ref>

Finrod had a close friendship with [[Andreth]] of the [[House of Bëor]], whom he often visited during the [[Siege of Angband]] to converse with her on the matters of Elves and Men. One such conversation was written down and later known as ''[[Athrabeth Finrod ah Andreth]]''.

Finrod participated in the [[Dagor Bragollach]], fighting in the [[Fen of Serech]], when he was surrounded by [[Orcs]]. It was [[Barahir]] of the [[House of Bëor]] who saved his life, and Finrod swore an oath of abiding friendship and aid in every need to Barahir and all his kin. As a token he gave Barahir his ring, which became known as the [[Ring of Barahir]].<ref>{{S|Fingolfin}}</ref>

=== Quest for the Silmaril ===
[[File:Anke Eißmann - Finrod is reminded of his oath.jpeg|thumb|''Finrod is reminded of his oath'' by [[Anke Eißmann]]]]
When, ten years later, Barahir's son [[Beren]] came to Nargothrond seeking help, Finrod went with him on the [[Quest for the Silmaril]] to repay his debt. [[Celegorm]] and [[Curufin]], who were living in Nargothrond at the time, persuaded (using barely veiled threats related to their [[Oath of Fëanor|Oath]]) most of Nargothrond to stay behind. Only ten warriors, headed by one [[Edrahil]], were faithful and came with them. Beneath the [[Shadowy Mountains]] they came upon a company of [[Orcs]], and slew them all in their camp. They took their gear and weapons, and by the magic of Finrod, their own forms and faces were changed to the likeness of Orcs. Thus disguised, they came far upon their northward road between [[Ered Wethrin]] and the highlands of [[Taur-nu-Fuin (Dorthonion)|Taur-nu-Fuin]]. However, the twelve were captured and imprisoned by [[Sauron]] on [[Tol-in-Gaurhoth]] ("Isle of Werewolves").<ref name=beren></ref>

[[File:KuraiGeijutsu - And Finrod fell before the Throne.jpg|thumb|''And Finrod fell before the Throne'' by [[:Category:Images by KuraiGeijutsu|Kurai Geijutsu]]]]

Thus befell the contest of Finrod and Sauron. Finrod strove with Sauron in songs of power, and the power of the Elven King was very great. But in the end, Sauron had the mastery. It is told in the ''[[Lay of Leithian]]'':
{{blockquote|He chanted a song of wizardry, 
Of piercing, opening, of treachery, 
Revealing, uncovering, betraying. 
Then sudden Felagund there swaying 
sang in answer a song of staying, 
Resisting, battling against power, 
Of secrets kept, strength like a tower, 
And trust unbroken, freedom, escape; 
Of changing and of shifting shape, 
Of snares eluded, broken traps, 
The prison opening, the chain that snaps, 
Backwards and forwards swayed their song. 
Reeling and foundering, as ever more strong 
The chanting swelled, Felagund fought, 
And all the magic and might he brought, 
Of Elvenesse into his words. 
Softly in the gloom they heard the birds 
Singing afar in Nargothrond, 
The sighing of the sea beyond, 
Beyond the western world, on sand, 
On sand of pearls in Elvenland. 
Then the gloom gathered; darkness growing 
In Valinor, the red blood flowing 
Beside the sea, where the Noldor slew 
The Foamriders, and stealing drew 
Their white ships with their white sails 
From lamplit havens. The wind wails, 
The wolf howls. The ravens flee. 
The ice mutters in the mouths of the sea. 
The captives sad in Angband mourn, 
Thunder rumbles, the fires burn- 
And Finrod fell before the throne.|[[Lay of Leithian Canto VII|Canto VII]], vv. 2173-2205}}

[[File:Anke Eißmann - Death of Finrod Felagund.jpeg|thumb|''Death of Finrod Felagund'' by [[Anke Eißmann]]]]
Then Sauron stripped from them their disguise, but though their kinds were revealed, he could not discover their names or their purposes.

Sauron imprisoned them and one by one they were killed by werewolves until only Beren and Felagund were left, but none of the companions betrayed them. When the werewolf came to kill Beren, Felagund put forth all his power and burst his bonds. He wrestled with the werewolf, and slew it with his hands and teeth. Yet he himself was mortally wounded, and he died in the dark, in Tol-in-Gaurhoth, whose great tower he himself had built. Thus King Finrod Felagund, the fairest and most beloved of the house of [[Finwë]], redeemed his oath.

=== Reincarnation ===
[[File:Donato Giancola - Lore.jpeg|thumb|An Elf loremaster ponders at a mural of Finrod leading his House in battle. Art by [[Donato Giancola]]]]
Because of Finrod's noble actions in life, and his reluctance to journey to Middle-earth, he was rehoused after only a short time. He and [[Glorfindel]], along with [[Lúthien]], were the only elves who were known to have been reincarnated.{{fact}} It is noted in the ''Lay of Leithian'' that Finrod was soon allowed to return to life in Valinor, and "now dwells with Amarië.”<ref name="GA-2">{{GA|180}}</ref> It is also noted in ''[[The Silmarillion]]'' that "''Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in [[Eldamar]]''".<ref name=beren>{{S|Beren}}</ref>

== Etymology ==
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The name ''Finrod'' is the [[Sindarin]] form of his [[father-name]] '''''Findaráto''''' ("[Golden-]Haired Champion"). It is possible he and his brother [[Angrod]] were first called ''[[Aráto]]'', and later differentiated adding ''find-'', referred to the golden hair derived from [[Indis]]. This name was of [[Telerin]] origin, so the proper [[Quenya]] form would be '''''Artafindë'''''.<ref name=Finwe>{{PM|Finwe}}</ref>{{rp|346-347}}

===Felagund===
'''''Felagund''''' was an [[epessë]] given to him by the [[Dwarves]] that expanded the caves of Nargothrond, and meant "Hewer of Caves". It is not Sindarin, but rather [[Sindarinized]] [[Khuzdul]], from '''''Felakgundu'''''. The name was Eldarized by other as '''''Felagon''''' (in relation with Fin''gon'', Tur''gon'').<ref>{{PM|Felagund}}, p. 352</ref>

While revising his [[Elvish]] languages in later years, [[Tolkien]] reinterpreted ''Felagund'' as "den-dweller, brock, badger", from [[Sindarin]] ''fela'', which was used for dens made by wild animals or temporary dwellings of wandering folks, unrelated to big carved caves. The west bank of Narog had many dens of badgers, some of them occupied by [[Petty-dwarves]]. It was thus probable that ''Felagund'' was actually given by the [[Sons of Fëanor]] as a mockery to Finrod, and transmitted by the Dwarves.<ref>{{NM|P3vii}}, p. 304</ref>

An early etymology for ''Felagund'' was "Lord of Caves" in [[Noldorin]], from ''[[fela]]'' ("caverns") + ''[[cunn]]'' ("prince").<ref>{{LR|P3}}, entries "KUNDU", "PHELEG"</ref>

==Other names==
His [[Amilessë|mother-name]] was '''''[[Ingoldo]]''''', which was also the mother-name of his father Finarfin. It meant "''the'' Ñoldo", 'one-eminent of the kindred' which is in simpler words 'the wise'. It was a name used by his brothers and sister, who loved him.<ref name=Finwe>{{PM|Finwe}}</ref>{{rp|346, 360}}

Finrod was also called '''''[[Nóm]]''''' ("Wisdom") by [[Bëor]] and his [[House of Bëor|people]].<ref name=West>{{S|West}}</ref> His other titles include "the Faithful", "the Friend of Men", "[[King of Nargothrond]]", "[[Lord of Nargothrond]]".<ref>{{S|Index}}, entry "Finrod"</ref><ref name=":0">[[J.R.R. Tolkien]], ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'', [[Appendix B]] "The Tale of Years". </ref>

He was often called by the Eldar '''''Edennil''''' or '''''Atandil''''', which means "Friend of Men" in [[Sindarin]] and [[Quenya]] respectively.<ref>{{MR|P4k}}, p. 349 (cf. p. 306)</ref> A variant for ''Atandil'' was ''Firindil''.<ref>{{VT|41c}}, p. 14</ref>

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== Other versions of the legendarium ==
In earlier versions of the Middle-earth myths, and when ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'' was published, the name '''Finrod''' was given to the character later known as [[Finarfin]]. Finrod Felagund was then named '''[[Inglor Felagund]]'''. However, that changed in later drafts, and the character who had the name [[Gildor Inglorion]], in ''The Lord of the Rings'', was unrelated to Finrod despite having a name that means Gildor son of Inglor. Finrod was childless and unmarried during the events of ''The Silmarillion'' because his lover, Amarië, remained in Valinor.<ref>{{S|15}}</ref>

In the published ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', Orodreth is Finrod's brother: this was an editorial decision by [[Christopher Tolkien]] and an admitted mistake. Orodreth was actually the son of Angrod and thus Finrod's nephew.

==Portrayal in adaptations==
[[File:The Rings of Power (TV series) - Finrod.jpg|thumb|[[Will Fletcher]] as Finrod in ''[[The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power]]'']]

===Television===
'''2022: ''[[The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power]]'', Season One:'''
:'''Episode 1: ''[[A Shadow of the Past]]'':'''[[Galadriel]] recalls a memory of her brother during her childhood at the time of the [[Years of the Trees]]. In the memory, after some Elf children bully her and sink her paper swan ship, she attempts to attack one of them. However, Finrod (portrayed by [[Will Fletcher]]) shows up just in time to prevent her from doing any harm.
:Not long after, Finrod is seen talking to Galadriel beneath a tree, where it is revealed that Galadriel had made the ship just as Finrod had taught her. Finrod then asks her if she knows why ships float while stones cannot, and tells her, after a moment of silence, that stones look downwards towards the irresistible darkness of water while ships look upwards towards the light, fighting against the darkness of water, whispering on things it would not know. Galadriel questions Finrod, saying that "light in the sky" is sometimes reflected brightly on the surface of water and that it is hard to know which light to follow. Upon thinking, Finrod whispers to her: "''Sometimes we cannot know until we have touched the darkness''". To this, Galadriel ponders that it sounds simple and Finrod tells her that many things are, but she must decide them for herself as he will not always be there to help.
:Not elaborating on this further, Finrod stands up and tells her that their parents are waiting for them, before walking over a hill to reveal the [[Two Trees]]. This exchange, as well as the philosophy which Finrod imparts to Galadriel in it were created for the series because none of this dialogue nor the attitudes it attributes to Finrod are found within any Tolkien's writings. Later in Galadriel's recollections, Finrod is seen in a battle shouting phrases in [[Quenya]]: "''Valaron kalanen''" ("By the [[Light of Valinor|light]] of the [[Valar]]!") and "''Firuvantë''" ("[[Orcs|They]] will die!"). Galadriel mentions that he vowed to destroy [[Sauron]], [[Morgoth|Morgoth's]] sorcerer and lieutenant. Yet Sauron found and defeated Finrod first, marking his corpse with a red symbol, which not even the wisest [[Elves]] could decipher, causing Galadriel to take up her brother's vow and dagger for herself.
:None of Galadriel's other brothers are mentioned in the series, and although no specific date is given, the timing and manner of Finrod's death are changed from what is recorded in Tolkien's writings. Finrod is said to have not died until after Morgoth's defeat, meaning that, in Amazon's continuity, Finrod survives the entirety of the First Age into the Second instead of having died in approximately year 465 of the First Age saving Beren.
:The series does alude to Finrod being killed by wolves with the claw marks on his body, though Galadriel's monologue establishes that it was Sauron who slew him with no mention of werewolves or Beren. This would have been at a a time long after Beren's quest for a Silmaril led him to Nargothrond, seeking Finrod's aid.
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:'''Episode 8: ''[[Alloyed]]'':'''
:This Episode features a bizarre scene in which [[Halbrand]] enters [[Galadriel|Galadriel's]] mind beside a stream or pond in Eregion to try to prove to her that he truly desired to redeem himself and heal [[Middle-earth]] of evil, by appearing in the guise of Finrod as she remembered him. Nevertheless, Galadriel refuses to believe that he is redeemable and Halbrand is thrust from her mind and flees [[Eregion]] to the [[Mordor|Southlands]]
:[[Amazon Studios]]'s rights to Finrod's character were limited to his mention in the ''[[Appendices]]'', so the series made significant changes and additions to his story, including showing him taking [[Oath of Fëanor|an oath against Morgoth]] before he left Valinor, and his death at the hands of Sauron, which inspires Galadriel's revenge. It is worth noting that Finrod's death saving Beren is mentioned in ''Appendix B: The Tale of Years'', and so Amazon could have used that material, but still opted to change it to have him dying in pursuit of Sauron.<ref name=":0" /> Finrod's original personality was particularly wise, very respectful and reverent towards the Valar, rather than as a rebel who advises people to "touch the darkness".

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| name=Finrod Felagund
| image=[[File:Elena Kukanova - Finrod - First Encounter with Edain.jpg|250px]]
| caption="Finrod - First Encounter with Edain" by [[Elena Kukanova]]
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| affiliation=[[Quest for the Silmaril]]
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{{Quote|King Finrod Felagund, fairest and most beloved of the [[house of Finwë]].|''[[Quenta Silmarillion]]'', "[[Of Beren and Lúthien]]"}}

'''Finrod''' was an [[Elves|Elven]] king of the [[Noldor]], eldest son of [[Finarfin]] and older brother to [[Angrod]], [[Aegnor]] and [[Galadriel]]. Finrod was like his father in his fair face and golden hair, and also in his noble and generous heart.

In [[Beleriand]], Finrod became the ruler of [[Nargothrond]], taking the [[Epessë|after-name]] of '''Felagund'''. He was a wise, just and powerful Elf, and a great traveller.<ref>[[Robert Foster]], ''[[The Complete Guide to Middle-earth]]'', p. 144</ref>

== History ==
Finrod was born in [[Eldamar]] in the [[Year of the Trees 1300]], the same as his cousin [[Turgon]].<ref>{{AA|85|note}}</ref> They were friends, and his beloved was [[Amarië]] of the [[Vanyar]].

Finrod was among those who opposed [[Fëanor]] and the [[Exile of the Noldor]]. However, when the Noldor were set to depart from [[Aman]], he joined them, for he would not be sundered from his friends and his people who were eager to go. Also, he had no wish to abandon his people to Fëanor's rule.<ref>{{S|Flight}}</ref>

=== Return of the Noldor ===
Finrod, along with his father, led the rear of the host along with many of the noblest and wisest of the Noldor; and often they looked behind them to see their fair city, especially Finrod, for he had to leave Amarië behind. With him, he brought along many treasures from [[Tirion]],<ref name=return>{{S|Return}}</ref> including [[Ring of Barahir|his Ring]].<ref name=beren>{{S|Beren}}</ref>

Finrod and his people did not participate in the [[Kinslaying at Alqualondë]]. While they were travelling up the coast of [[Araman]], the [[Valar|Vala]] [[Mandos]] appeared and pronounced the [[Doom of the Noldor]], and in that hour, Finarfin forsook the march and returned to [[Valinor]] with many of his people. However, Finrod and his siblings went forward still and led their people on the long and perilous march to [[Middle-earth]].

=== Life in Beleriand ===
After their victory in the [[Dagor-nuin-Giliath]], the Noldor started building their numerous realms. Finrod established the tower of [[Minas Tirith (Beleriand)|Minas Tirith]] on the island of [[Tol Sirion]]. Once, while journeying southward along the river [[Sirion]], Finrod and his friend [[Turgon]] encamped upon its banks. [[Ulmo]], coming up the river, laid a deep sleep upon them and heavy dreams; and it seemed to each that he was bidden to prepare for a day of evil, and to establish a retreat, lest [[Morgoth]] should burst from [[Angband]] and overthrow the armies of the North.

[[File:Mysilvergreen - Finrod Felagund.jpg|left|thumb|''Finrod Felagund'' by [[:Category:Images by Mysilvergreen|Mysilvergreen]]]]
Now on a time Finrod and his sister [[Galadriel]] were guests of King [[Thingol|Elu Thingol]], their kinsman in [[Doriath]]. There, Finrod told Thingol of his admiration for the halls of [[Menegroth]]; and Thingol spoke to him of the deep gorge of the river [[Narog]] and told him about the caves under the [[High Faroth]] in its deep western shore. Thus Finrod came to the [[Caverns of Narog]] and established there deep halls and armouries; and that stronghold was called [[Nargothrond]]. In this he was aided by the [[Dwarves]] of the [[Blue Mountains]], and Finrod rewarded them with many jewels from Valinor. In that time, the [[Nauglamír]] was made for him, the Necklace of the Dwarves. After Nargothrond was made, Finrod committed Minas Tirith to the keeping of [[Orodreth]], his nephew, and was referred to by the additional name of ''Felagund'', an honorific title given him by the Dwarves, meaning a "Maker of Caves".

The realm of Nargothrond extended to the sea, excluding the [[Falas]]. Finrod was a friend and ally of [[Círdan]], and had also built the tower [[Barad Nimras]] upon the cape.<ref>{{S|14}}</ref>

=== Encounter with Men ===
[[File:Steamey - Finrod, Beor and the Green-elves of Ossiriand.jpg|thumb|''Finrod, Beor and the Green-elves of Ossiriand'' by [[:Category:Images by Steamey|Steamy]]]]
When over three hundred years had passed since the Noldor came to Beleriand, Finrod journeyed east of Sirion and went hunting with [[Maglor]] and [[Maedhros]], two of the [[sons of Fëanor]]. But he wearied of the hunt and passed on alone towards the mountains of [[Ered Lindon]]. There, in the lands of [[Thargelion]], in [[East Beleriand]], Finrod was the first of the Noldor to come across [[Men]]. These were the kindred and followers of [[Bëor]] [[The Old]]. He went among them while they were sleeping and, picking up a harp which Bëor had laid aside, played music upon it such as the ears of men had not heard. When the men awoke and listened to his song, each thought that he was in some fair dream. He long stayed with them, learning [[Taliska|their language]] and teaching them [[Sindarin]]. He also intervened on behalf of the [[Laiquendi]] of [[Ossiriand]], who feared Men would destroy their home, and he got permission of [[Thingol]], who held rule over all [[Beleriand]], to guide the Men to [[Estolad]].<ref name=West>{{S|West}}</ref>

Finrod had a close friendship with [[Andreth]] of the [[House of Bëor]], whom he often visited during the [[Siege of Angband]] to converse with her on the matters of Elves and Men. One such conversation was written down and later known as ''[[Athrabeth Finrod ah Andreth]]''.

Finrod participated in the [[Dagor Bragollach]], fighting in the [[Fen of Serech]], when he was surrounded by [[Orcs]]. It was [[Barahir]] of the [[House of Bëor]] who saved his life, and Finrod swore an oath of abiding friendship and aid in every need to Barahir and all his kin. As a token he gave Barahir his ring, which became known as the [[Ring of Barahir]].<ref>{{S|Fingolfin}}</ref>

=== Quest for the Silmaril ===
[[File:Anke Eißmann - Finrod is reminded of his oath.jpeg|thumb|''Finrod is reminded of his oath'' by [[Anke Eißmann]]]]
When, ten years later, Barahir's son [[Beren]] came to Nargothrond seeking help, Finrod went with him on the [[Quest for the Silmaril]] to repay his debt. [[Celegorm]] and [[Curufin]], who were living in Nargothrond at the time, persuaded (using barely veiled threats related to their [[Oath of Fëanor|Oath]]) most of Nargothrond to stay behind. Only ten warriors, headed by one [[Edrahil]], were faithful and came with them. Beneath the [[Shadowy Mountains]] they came upon a company of [[Orcs]], and slew them all in their camp. They took their gear and weapons, and by the magic of Finrod, their own forms and faces were changed to the likeness of Orcs. Thus disguised, they came far upon their northward road between [[Ered Wethrin]] and the highlands of [[Taur-nu-Fuin (Dorthonion)|Taur-nu-Fuin]]. However, the twelve were captured and imprisoned by [[Sauron]] on [[Tol-in-Gaurhoth]] ("Isle of Werewolves").<ref name=beren></ref>

[[File:KuraiGeijutsu - And Finrod fell before the Throne.jpg|thumb|''And Finrod fell before the Throne'' by [[:Category:Images by KuraiGeijutsu|Kurai Geijutsu]]]]

Thus befell the contest of Finrod and Sauron. Finrod strove with Sauron in songs of power, and the power of the Elven King was very great. But in the end, Sauron had the mastery. It is told in the ''[[Lay of Leithian]]'':
{{blockquote|He chanted a song of wizardry, 
Of piercing, opening, of treachery, 
Revealing, uncovering, betraying. 
Then sudden Felagund there swaying 
sang in answer a song of staying, 
Resisting, battling against power, 
Of secrets kept, strength like a tower, 
And trust unbroken, freedom, escape; 
Of changing and of shifting shape, 
Of snares eluded, broken traps, 
The prison opening, the chain that snaps, 
Backwards and forwards swayed their song. 
Reeling and foundering, as ever more strong 
The chanting swelled, Felagund fought, 
And all the magic and might he brought, 
Of Elvenesse into his words. 
Softly in the gloom they heard the birds 
Singing afar in Nargothrond, 
The sighing of the sea beyond, 
Beyond the western world, on sand, 
On sand of pearls in Elvenland. 
Then the gloom gathered; darkness growing 
In Valinor, the red blood flowing 
Beside the sea, where the Noldor slew 
The Foamriders, and stealing drew 
Their white ships with their white sails 
From lamplit havens. The wind wails, 
The wolf howls. The ravens flee. 
The ice mutters in the mouths of the sea. 
The captives sad in Angband mourn, 
Thunder rumbles, the fires burn- 
And Finrod fell before the throne.|[[Lay of Leithian Canto VII|Canto VII]], vv. 2173-2205}}

[[File:Anke Eißmann - Death of Finrod Felagund.jpeg|thumb|''Death of Finrod Felagund'' by [[Anke Eißmann]]]]
Then Sauron stripped from them their disguise, but though their kinds were revealed, he could not discover their names or their purposes.

Sauron imprisoned them and one by one they were killed by werewolves until only Beren and Felagund were left, but none of the companions betrayed them. When the werewolf came to kill Beren, Felagund put forth all his power and burst his bonds. He wrestled with the werewolf, and slew it with his hands and teeth. Yet he himself was mortally wounded, and he died in the dark, in Tol-in-Gaurhoth, whose great tower he himself had built. Thus King Finrod Felagund, the fairest and most beloved of the house of [[Finwë]], redeemed his oath.

=== Reincarnation ===
[[File:Donato Giancola - Lore.jpeg|thumb|An Elf loremaster ponders at a mural of Finrod leading his House in battle. Art by [[Donato Giancola]]]]
Because of Finrod's noble actions in life, and his reluctance to journey to Middle-earth, he was rehoused after only a short time. He and [[Glorfindel]], along with [[Lúthien]], were the only elves who were known to have been reincarnated.{{fact}} It is noted in the ''Lay of Leithian'' that Finrod was soon allowed to return to life in Valinor, and "now dwells with Amarië.”<ref name="GA-2">{{GA|180}}</ref> It is also noted in ''[[The Silmarillion]]'' that "''Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in [[Eldamar]]''".<ref name=beren>{{S|Beren}}</ref>

== Etymology ==
{{seealso|#Other versions of the legendarium}}
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The name ''Finrod'' is the [[Sindarin]] form of his [[father-name]] '''''Findaráto''''' ("[Golden-]Haired Champion"). It is possible he and his brother [[Angrod]] were first called ''[[Aráto]]'', and later differentiated adding ''find-'', referred to the golden hair derived from [[Indis]]. This name was of [[Telerin]] origin, so the proper [[Quenya]] form would be '''''Artafindë'''''.<ref name=Finwe>{{PM|Finwe}}</ref>{{rp|346-347}}

===Felagund===
'''''Felagund''''' was an [[epessë]] given to him by the [[Dwarves]] that expanded the caves of Nargothrond, and meant "Hewer of Caves". It is not Sindarin, but rather [[Sindarinized]] [[Khuzdul]], from '''''Felakgundu'''''. The name was Eldarized by other as '''''Felagon''''' (in relation with Fin''gon'', Tur''gon'').<ref>{{PM|Felagund}}, p. 352</ref>

While revising his [[Elvish]] languages in later years, [[Tolkien]] reinterpreted ''Felagund'' as "den-dweller, brock, badger", from [[Sindarin]] ''fela'', which was used for dens made by wild animals or temporary dwellings of wandering folks, unrelated to big carved caves. The west bank of Narog had many dens of badgers, some of them occupied by [[Petty-dwarves]]. It was thus probable that ''Felagund'' was actually given by the [[Sons of Fëanor]] as a mockery to Finrod, and transmitted by the Dwarves.<ref>{{NM|P3vii}}, p. 304</ref>

An early etymology for ''Felagund'' was "Lord of Caves" in [[Noldorin]], from ''[[fela]]'' ("caverns") + ''[[cunn]]'' ("prince").<ref>{{LR|P3}}, entries "KUNDU", "PHELEG"</ref>

==Other names==
His [[Amilessë|mother-name]] was '''''[[Ingoldo]]''''', which was also the mother-name of his father Finarfin. It meant "''the'' Ñoldo", 'one-eminent of the kindred' which is in simpler words 'the wise'. It was a name used by his brothers and sister, who loved him.<ref name=Finwe>{{PM|Finwe}}</ref>{{rp|346, 360}}

Finrod was also called '''''[[Nóm]]''''' ("Wisdom") by [[Bëor]] and his [[House of Bëor|people]].<ref name=West>{{S|West}}</ref> His other titles include "the Faithful", "the Friend of Men", "[[King of Nargothrond]]", "[[Lord of Nargothrond]]".<ref>{{S|Index}}, entry "Finrod"</ref><ref name=":0">[[J.R.R. Tolkien]], ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'', [[Appendix B]] "The Tale of Years". </ref>

He was often called by the Eldar '''''Edennil''''' or '''''Atandil''''', which means "Friend of Men" in [[Sindarin]] and [[Quenya]] respectively.<ref>{{MR|P4k}}, p. 349 (cf. p. 306)</ref> A variant for ''Atandil'' was ''Firindil''.<ref>{{VT|41c}}, p. 14</ref>

== Genealogy ==
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== Other versions of the legendarium ==
In earlier versions of the Middle-earth myths, and when ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'' was published, the name '''Finrod''' was given to the character later known as [[Finarfin]]. Finrod Felagund was then named '''[[Inglor Felagund]]'''. However, that changed in later drafts, and the character who had the name [[Gildor Inglorion]], in ''The Lord of the Rings'', was unrelated to Finrod despite having a name that means Gildor son of Inglor. Finrod was childless and unmarried during the events of ''The Silmarillion'' because his lover, Amarië, remained in Valinor.<ref>{{S|15}}</ref>

In the published ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', Orodreth is Finrod's brother: this was an editorial decision by [[Christopher Tolkien]] and an admitted mistake. Orodreth was actually the son of Angrod and thus Finrod's nephew.

==Portrayal in adaptations==
[[File:The Rings of Power (TV series) - Finrod.jpg|thumb|[[Will Fletcher]] as Finrod in ''[[The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power]]'']]

===Television===
'''2022: ''[[The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power]]'', Season One:'''
:'''Episode 1: ''[[A Shadow of the Past]]'':'''[[Galadriel]] recalls a memory of her brother during her childhood at the time of the [[Years of the Trees]]. In the memory, after some Elf children bully her and sink her paper swan ship, she attempts to attack one of them. However, Finrod (portrayed by [[Will Fletcher]]) shows up just in time to prevent her from doing any harm.
:Not long after, Finrod is seen talking to Galadriel beneath a tree, where it is revealed that Galadriel had made the ship just as Finrod had taught her. Finrod then asks her if she knows why ships float while stones cannot, and tells her, after a moment of silence, that stones look downwards towards the irresistible darkness of water while ships look upwards towards starlight, fighting against the darkness of water, whispering on things it would not know. Galadriel questions Finrod, saying that stars are reflected just as brightly within water and that it is hard to know which lights to follow, up or down. Upon thinking, Finrod whispers to her: "''Sometimes we cannot know until we have touched the darkness''". To this, Galadriel ponders that it sounds simple and Finrod tells her that many things are, but she must decide them for herself as he will not always be there to help.
:Not elaborating on this further, Finrod stands up and tells her that their parents are waiting for them, before walking over a hill to reveal the [[Two Trees]]. This exchange, as well as the philosophy which Finrod imparts to Galadriel in it were created for the series because none of this dialogue nor the attitudes it attributes to Finrod are found within any Tolkien's writings. Later in Galadriel's recollections, Finrod is seen in a battle shouting phrases in [[Quenya]]: "''Valaron kalanen''" ("By the [[Light of Valinor|light]] of the [[Valar]]!") and "''Firuvantë''" ("[[Orcs|They]] will die!"). Galadriel mentions that he vowed to destroy [[Sauron]], [[Morgoth|Morgoth's]] sorcerer and lieutenant. Yet Sauron found and defeated Finrod first, marking his corpse with a red symbol, which not even the wisest [[Elves]] could decipher, causing Galadriel to take up her brother's vow and dagger for herself.
:None of Galadriel's other brothers are mentioned in the series, and although no specific date is given, the timing and manner of Finrod's death are changed from what is recorded in Tolkien's writings. Finrod is said to have not died until after Morgoth's defeat, meaning that, in Amazon's continuity, Finrod survives the entirety of the First Age into the Second instead of having died in approximately year 465 of the First Age saving Beren.
:The series does alude to Finrod being killed by wolves with the claw marks on his body, though Galadriel's monologue establishes that it was Sauron who slew him with no mention of werewolves or Beren. This would have been at a a time long after Beren's quest for a Silmaril led him to Nargothrond, seeking Finrod's aid.
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:'''Episode 8: ''[[Alloyed]]'':'''
:This Episode features a bizarre scene in which [[Halbrand]] enters [[Galadriel|Galadriel's]] mind beside a stream or pond in Eregion to try to prove to her that he truly desired to redeem himself and heal [[Middle-earth]] of evil, by appearing in the guise of Finrod as she remembered him. Nevertheless, Galadriel refuses to believe that he is redeemable and Halbrand is thrust from her mind and flees [[Eregion]] to the [[Mordor|Southlands]]
:[[Amazon Studios]]'s rights to Finrod's character were limited to his mention in the ''[[Appendices]]'', so the series made significant changes and additions to his story, including showing him taking [[Oath of Fëanor|an oath against Morgoth]] before he left Valinor, and his death at the hands of Sauron, which inspires Galadriel's revenge. It is worth noting that Finrod's death saving Beren is mentioned in ''Appendix B: The Tale of Years'', and so Amazon could have used that material, but still opted to change it to have him dying in pursuit of Sauron.<ref name=":0" /> Finrod's original personality was particularly wise, very respectful and reverent towards the Valar, rather than as a rebel who advises people to "touch the darkness".

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Adrift

2023-08-06T15:18:55Z

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{{Quote|[[Galadriel]] finds a new [[Halbrand|ally]]; [[Elrond]] faces a cold reception from an old [[Durin IV|friend]]; [[Elanor Brandyfoot|Nori]] endeavors to help a [[The Stranger|Stranger]]; [[Arondir]] searches for answers while [[Bronwyn]] warns her [[Tirharad|people]] of a [[Orcs|threat]]."|Official Synopsis, [[Amazon Studios]]}}

'''Adrift''' is the second episode of [[Amazon Studios]]'s television series, ''[[The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power]]'', released on [[2 September]], [[2022]].

==Synopsis==
===The Harfoots===
[[Poppy Proudfellow|Poppy]] finds [[Elanor Brandyfoot]] at the crater, and they strenuously relocate the sleeping [[The Stranger|Stranger]] with a cart. When he awakes, Elanor struggles to communicate with him. Unsettled, he suddenly causes great winds with his voice, and utters strange words Elanor cannot interpret. Back at home, [[Largo Brandyfoot|Largo]] injures his ankle putting up a canopy.

Later in the episode, at evening, Poppy and Elanor meet with the Stranger again. They offer their help, unsure if he understands them. With telekinetic powers, he breaks open Poppy's firefly-lantern, and as the fireflies disperse, he speaks to them, entranced as the fly around. Then he arranges them into a certain constellation against the night sky, which Elanor believes to be a clue to find The Stranger's home. The fireflies drop dead afterwards.

===The Southlands===
In the fresh ruins of Hordern, where no survivors are present, [[Arondir]] and [[Bronwyn]] find and enter the burnt house of her friends [[Ciaran]] and [[Hana]]. Arondir goes alone into a tunnel below ground, leading from the house. By an underground pool, within the hour, he is suddenly seized into the dark by an unknown foe.

Back at Waldreg's tavern in [[Tirharad]], Bronwyn tries to convince the folk to spread the news of Hordern, but with no luck. At Bronwyn's house, Theo discovers beneath their floor-boards a long-hidden [[Orcs|Digger Orc]] (whose noise Theo had believed was caused by mice) just as Bronwyn returns home. As the Digger Orc emerges, they hide from him, and then desperately try to kill him. She manages to behead the Digger Orc. With his head, Bronwyn goes and convinces the town-folk to seek safety and relocate to the [[Watchtower of Ostirith]], the local outpost.

Theo privately inspects the strange weapon he had found with Rowan in the prior episode, and then embarks with his mother, as all citizens of Tirharad exit the town with their belongings toward Ostirith.

===Eregion and Khazad-dûm===
[[Elrond]] goes and meets [[Celebrimbor]] at [[Ost-in-Edhil]], capital of [[Eregion]], and marvels at [[Fëanor|Fëanor's hammer]], which was used to craft the [[Silmarils]]. Celebrimbor tells of his own new ambitions, requesting that Elrond assist him in attaining the means to build a specialized forge-tower, necessary for crafting things of real power. For this they go to [[Khazad-dûm]] to enlist the aid of the [[Dwarves]]. In Khazad-dûm, Elrond invokes the [[Rite of Sigin-tarâg]] to earn [[Durin IV|Prince Durin]]'s favor in the Dwarven test of endurance. He looses the test, but convinces him to hear his proposal. He joins Durin and his wife, [[Disa]], for dinner, and tells his proposal off-screen.

Durin later relays the proposal to King [[Durin III]], his father, who is untrusting, and cautious against the notion of cooperation between Dwarves and Elves. In the same room, Durin III opens a chest, and the two observe a precious shiny object within, blocked from view.

===The Sea===
Swimming back to [[Middle-earth]], Galadriel encounters a raft of stranded human mariners frightened of a nearby nameless thing known as the worm that had wrecked their ship. Among them are [[Halbrand]], Eamon, and Abigail. The worm soon finds them and destroys the raft, and Galadriel escapes with Halbrand only. Heading east, Halbrand questions Galadriel's business at sea, and after an argument, she is gratified to learn from him that Orcs are indeed still active on Middle-earth, as they had driven Halbrand from his home in the [[Mordor|Southlands]]. At dusk, the waters turn stormy, and Galadriel nearly drowns before Halbrand rescues her.

In the last moment of the episode, an unknown ship the next morning finds Galadriel and Halbrand wearily sleeping on their raft.

==Cast==
:''In order of appearance'' (in episode credits)
{| class="wikitable"
|- bgcolor="#CCCCCC"
! Actor !! Role
|-
| [[Morfydd Clark]] || [[Galadriel]]
|-
| [[Markella Kavenagh]] || [[Elanor Brandyfoot|Elanor "Nori" Brandyfoot]]
|-
| [[Daniel Weyman]] || [[The Stranger]]
|-
| [[Megan Richards]] || [[Poppy Proudfellow]]
|-
| [[Lenny Henry|Sir Lenny Henry]] || [[Sadoc Burrows]]
|-
| [[Thusitha Jayasundera]] || [[Malva Meadowgrass|Malva]]
|-
| [[Sara Zwangobani]] || [[Marigold Brandyfoot]]
|-
| [[Ismael Cruz Córdova]] || [[Arondir]]
|-
| [[Nazanin Boniadi]] || [[Bronwyn]]
|-
| [[Robert Aramayo]] || [[Elrond]]
|-
| [[Charles Edwards]] || [[Celebrimbor|Lord Celebrimbor]]
|-
| [[Owain Arthur]] || [[Durin IV|Prince Durin IV]]
|-
| [[Dylan Smith]] || [[Largo Brandyfoot]]
|-
| [[Maxine Cunliffe]] || [[Vilma]]
|-
| [[Charlie Vickers]] || [[Halbrand]]
|-
| [[Berynn Schwerdt]] || [[Eamon (The Rings of Power)|Eamon]]
|-
| [[Virginie Laverdure]] || [[Abigail]]
|-
| [[Jane Montgomery Griffiths]] || [[Astrid (The Rings of Power)|Astrid]]
|-
| [[Sophia Nomvete]] || [[Disa|Princess Disa]]
|-
| [[Geoff Morrell]] || [[Waldreg]]
|-
| [[Tyroe Muhafidin]] || [[Theo]]
|-
| [[Peter Tait]] || [[Tredwill]]
|-
| [[Peter Mullan]] || [[Durin III|King Durin III]]
|-
| [[Megan Lilly Wilding]] || [[Dwarves|Dwarf Guard]]
|-
| [[Paul Ballard]] || [[Dwarves|Sour-Faced Dwarf]]
|-
| [[Travis Graham]] || [[Dwarves|Beady-Eyed Dwarf]]
|-
| [[Paula Nazarski]] || [[Harfoots|Malva's Sister]]
|-
| [[Rosalie Button]] || [[Men|Survivor On Raft #1]]
|-
| [[Matt Bennett]] || [[Men|Survivor On Raft #2]]
|-
| [[Justin Doble]] || [[Men|Milky-Eyed Southlander]]
|-
| [[Nathan Mennis]] || [[Orcs|Digger Orc]]
|}

=== Uncredited ===
{| class="wikitable"
|- bgcolor="#CCCCCC"
! Actor !! Role
|-
| Unknown actor || [[Gamli]]
|-
| Unknown actor || [[Gerda]]
|}

==Trivia==
Below is a list of trivia from Amazon's "X-Ray" feature that accompanied the episode.
* '''Scene 2''' - "Most of the details and elaborations told herein are derived from '[[The Lord of the Rings]]', its prologue entitled '[[Concerning Hobbits]]', and its [[Appendices]], [[Appendix A|A]] through [[Appendix F|F]]', where the intrepid traveler may journey to discover even farther horizons."
* '''Scene 3''' - "There is music to be found everywhere in [[Middle-earth]]: From the rushing of the [[rivers]], to the voices of [[Ents]], to the minstrels of [[elves]] and [[dwarves]], [[men]] and [[halflings]] - song is woven throughout all the world's cultures and even the land itself."
* '''Scene 9''' - "Given their diminutive size, halflings called humans 'the Big Folk', and did their best to avoid crossing paths with them, thanks in part to their impressive knack for disappearing swiftly and silently. (Concerning Hobbits)"
* '''Scene 12''' - "[[Eregion]] is the newest elven realm in Middle-earth, to the west of the [[Misty Mountains]]. It was founded in the early [[Second Age]] by the [[Noldor]], [[High Elves]] especially known for their craftsmanship. ([[Appendix B]])."
* '''Scene 13''' - "This door is the original [[West-gate]] of [[Khazad-dum]]. On it are carved inscriptions in [[Cirth]], a runic alphabet originally derived by the elves, but adapted for dwarven purposes to carve their language into stone. ([[Appendix E]])"
* '''Scene 15''' - "Dwarves are shorter than elves and men, but they are tough, thrawn, laborious, and famously lovers of stone, gems, and all things created by craft. (Appendix F)"
* '''Scene 17''' - "Despite (or perhaps because of) the difficulties of an itinerant life and challenges of finding their next meal, halflings have a deep love of food and an undoubtedly adventurous appetite. They'd eat six meals a day if they could. (Concerning Hobbits)"
* '''Scene 22''' - "The [[Great Sea]], or The [[Sundering Seas]], divides the [[Undying Lands]] from Middle-earth - where there are still [[nameless things]] in the deepest places of the world. (Book III, Chapter 5)"
* '''Scene 25''' - "Elves and Dwarves have traditionally held many grievances against one another; embers of the dwarves' grudge against the elves lingers even from the [[Elder Days]]. (Appendix F)"
* '''Scene 28''' - "Like all of [[Khazad-dum]], [[Durin]]'s home is carved straight out of the mountain rock it's buried deep within, upheld by stone pillars. Gold and jewels are used generously, as there is no lack of such riches here, and magnificent lanterns keep the dark at bay. (Book II, Chapter 4)"
* '''Scene 29''' - "The Men of Middle-earth can be known to fear and misdoubt elves, yet they often know little of them. (Book IV, Chapter 5)"
* '''Scene 32''' - "[[Arondir]]'s armor is typical of his garrison of [[Silvan elves]], filled with natural influences of their many loves. The ring on his thumb bears the inscription: "May Your Arrows Sing" in [[Sindarin]]."
* '''Scene 34''' - "There are many kinds of orcs of differing sizes, best suited for specific purposes. They were first bred by the Dark Power of the North in the Elder Days. (Appendix F)"
* '''Scene 36''' - "Though immortal and hardy of body, elves may still die by injury and unnatural causes - including drowning."
* '''Scene 38''' - "The stars are especially beloved by the elves, who revere the [[Vala]] [[Elbereth]] (also called [[Varda]]), but all the cultures of Middle-earth have attributed constellations to the heavens above. (Book II, Chapter 8)"

==Production==

==Deviations from the Source Material ==
Galadriel encounters a raft with humans on board close to the area where she jumped from her ship. They say they are survivors of a shipwreck, and were presumably attempting to sail to Valinor. Humans were forbidden from trying to sail to Valinor by the Valar themselves, and often disappeared or were put under penalty of death if they tried to go there. Galadriel does not seem to know about this, however and just thinks it is normal to encounter humans in the Sundering Seas.

She meets a stranger by the name of Halbrand who says he was the ruler of an area known as "The Southlands". This region in the series is in the same area as what will become known as [[Mordor]]. However, in the source material it is stated in Tolkien's late writings that Mordor was already a desolate wasteland noted for volcanic activity before the Second Age, and may already have been called Mordor which means "black land" because of that. <ref>J.R.R Tolkien, Christopher Tolkien ed. The History of Middle Earth Volume 12, ''The Peoples of Middle Earth. "''Part XIII: Late Writings" </ref>

The Southlands are never mentioned in the source material, and were apparently invented for the series as were all the characters who live there. It would have made no sense for Sauron, who was hiding for most of the Second Age, to pick a densely populated region with like the Southlands as his base: especially since Elves already patrolled the region. He picked Mordor because it was already a desolate, volcanic wasteland.

Harfoots are said to be "proto-Hobbits" or an ancestor of Hobbits, but The Fellowship of the Ring novel lists them as a one of three breeds of Hobbits, without any indication that they arose before the other two breeds. <ref name=":0">J.R.R Tolkien, ''The Fellowship of the Ring'', Prologue: Part 1 "Concerning Hobbits" </ref>There is also no clear indication of the presence of Hobbits in Middle Earth before the Second Age.

The protaganist's name. "Nori" is a shortened form of "Elinor". Elinor was the name of Samwise Gamgee's daughter as noted in ''The Lord of the Rings'' and some of Tolkien's later writings. It is of Sindarin derivation. It is unclear how and why one of the Harfoots, who are noted to be a reclusive species who fear strangers would have encountered Elves or become familiar enough with Sindarin to give their child a name in that language. In fact, the Prologue to the ''Fellowship of the Ring'' notes that the Harfoots "had much to do with Dwarves in ancient times" but does not mention any association with Elves or other Sindarin speakers. <ref name=":0" />

==Reception==

== External links ==
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEuYPD_VttE&t=122s&ab_channel=RingsandRealms Analysis of the first two episodes on Rings & Realms] (with [[Corey Olsen]])
* [https://bearmccreary.com/the-lord-of-the-rings-episode-102/ Scoring ''Adrift''] by [[Bear McCreary]]

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== References ==
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Talk:The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power

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English Lady: /* Deviations from the Source Material */ Reply

==Name==
Should this page be called '''Amazon's Middle earth series''' instead of '''The Lord of the Rings (TV series)'''?I am saying that because we don't have an official name for the upcoming tv show.--[[User:Γιάννης Ευαγγελίου]] 10:29, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

:Whatever the name of the show will be, the article name will change accordingly so don't worry about it too much. Also thank you for working on some of the ancillary articles. --[[User:Gaetano|Gaetano]] 19:49, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

== Cast ==

I don't think that we have names of the characters played by the actors so why is characters written in the tilte of the section?--Shivam 01:56, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

==Images==
Hi. I'm quite happy seeing this article being updated collectively. However, I think the matter of the images is getting a little over the top. It is quite unnecessary having the 23 posters, which will never be used in the wiki. I'm keeping them for the time being, but if Mith agrees, I'd vote keeping just a few of them. On the Vanity Fair's photos, I'll delete them all, because those belong to Vanity Fair, not to Amazon, so I don't know if they fall into fair use and if they actually portray the vision of the series. "Dress me slowly, I am in a hurry". --[[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] 00:02, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

== Εnrichment ==

I think that this page should be enriched with more information about it's production and not only that.So, what do you think?--[[User:Γιάννης Ευαγγελίου]] 12:32, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
:Amazon does have behind the scenes interviews with the cast and crew on YouTube if that is what you mean.[[User:Dour1234|Dour1234]] ([[User talk:Dour1234|talk]]) 12:46, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

== Deviations ==

As I have read generally, this series has a lot of deviations from Tolkien's works, and as a result, it reminds Tolkien's world only in words.I mean, almost all of these events that happens do not remind in events that happens in Tolkien's works.So, what do you think? --[[User:Γιάννης Ευαγγελίου|Γιάννης Ευαγγελίου]] ([[User talk:Γιάννης Ευαγγελίου|talk]]) 23:07, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

:As stated below, entire sections devoted to deviations from the source material have been added to the pages relating to the movies. Not allowing the information to be added to this page makes the article appear biased and gives a false impression to the audience that the series is totally accurate in every point.
:Please restore this section. [[User:English Lady|English Lady]] ([[User talk:English Lady|talk]]) 20:34, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
::I have read Tolkien’s works, and know of his lore fairly well. I have, to my own chagrin, watched Rings of Power, and I can with all honesty, that it is Tolkien in name only.
::The actions, attitudes, and motivations for the characters holding the names of those Tolkien created are either a complete antithesis to the source or so inaccurately written for this show, that there is no direct connection or correlation to the source from which it is derived. [[User:Raziel|Raziel]] ([[User talk:Raziel|talk]]) 05:48, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

::@[[User:English Lady|English Lady]], I see your point now. Still, you are missing the scope. The deviations are not listed in the main article of [[The Lord of the Rings (film series)]], but in each film's article. We must do the same with the series and list the deviations in each episode; otherwise it would be overloaded. Another option would be including a brief summary of its relation with the source material or its reception among the fans on this matter. Assuming the series are accurate because we don't have such a list is simply stupid.--[[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] ([[User talk:LorenzoCB|talk]]) 07:08, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
:::Adding it the "reception" section gives the impression that the deviations from the source material are not real, and are just the personal opinions of people who don't like the series.
:::The Lord of the Rings film series page is not the one listed under the Adaptions section, but rather the respective pages for each movie. It is not, in fact, "stupid" to assume that readers will conclude RIngs of Power is accurate if they do not see anything about deviations from the source material, especially if they have not read the books. [[User:English Lady|English Lady]] ([[User talk:English Lady|talk]]) 07:41, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

== Deviations from the Source Material ==

@[[User:English Lady|English Lady]] Hi! Instead of listing each episode and the differences between the source material here, what are your thoughts on moving these statements to their respective episode articles? If we want to include a few major overarching differences here that span multiple episodes, that seems fine, but otherwise all the details would likely be better suited on the episode articles. [[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] ([[User talk:Hyarion|talk]]) 19:15, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

:I disagree with this. I only say this because the pages relating to the movies have had entire sections added relating to the deviations from source material. Removing this from the page gives the (false) impression that Rings of Power does not deviate from the source material at all, and makes the article appear partisan. This will be most people's first line of reference and they will not bother to look at the seperate episodes, again, giving the false impression the series is 100% lore accurate. [[User:English Lady|English Lady]] ([[User talk:English Lady|talk]]) 20:32, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
:@[[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] has determined that no such information can be added to the Rings of Power page, even though I have clearly demonstrated that there are seperate subsections on each of the pages for the movies, which do not provide references or citations. Are you happy with this, or do you disagree with his descision. [[User:English Lady|English Lady]] ([[User talk:English Lady|talk]]) 07:18, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

Also, please, don't remove Season's 2 cast. Definitely, the differences are much better disclosed in each episode's article. You can see people already began doing that work. --[[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] ([[User talk:LorenzoCB|talk]]) 19:43, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

:Again, I think they should be listed on the main page because most people will not click over to the pages for each episode. Removing them from the main page gives readers the wrong impression that the series does not deviate from the lore in any way.
:Also the way in which devations from lore are described as not neutral and is misleading in places. For example what is clearly supposed to depict Finrod taking the Oath of Feanor is excused as "just an oath to fight Sauron which he might have taken". [[User:English Lady|English Lady]] ([[User talk:English Lady|talk]]) 20:46, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
::Like I said, we can keep a section that lists the biggest overarching differences between the books and the show, but aspects that are specific to an individual episode should be listed on the specific episode articles, both for readability and because that is the most relevant article to put the information. It's easy to add a disclaimer that additional differences can be found on their respective episode articles. [[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] ([[User talk:Hyarion|talk]]) 21:00, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
:::OK I can do that if you like..... [[User:English Lady|English Lady]] ([[User talk:English Lady|talk]]) 21:03, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

::::If you are worried about losing what you have written, you can find it [https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=The_Lord_of_the_Rings:_The_Rings_of_Power&curid=56232&oldid=376260#Deviations_from_the_Source_Material here]. The Oath of Fëanor is not mentioned in the series, so we cannot include it directly. Please, correct my edits and my grammar, but do not reverse them direcly. It's very rude, specially me being an admin. --[[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] ([[User talk:LorenzoCB|talk]]) 21:12, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
:::::Although it is not explicitly mentioned, it is obvious that this event is meant to be the Oath of Feanor as it takes places before the Noldor leave Valinor and Sauron is not mentioned in that part of the narrative. Only Melkor, and their desire to fight him is mentioned. It is clearly supposed to be the Oath of Feanor. [[User:English Lady|English Lady]] ([[User talk:English Lady|talk]]) 21:22, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
:::::As to the latter, my initial edits were removed without a reason being given. Considering that you have a known bias in favour of Rings of Power on other social media sites, it can only be assumed this descsion was partisan. [[User:English Lady|English Lady]] ([[User talk:English Lady|talk]]) 21:24, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
::::::So just to clarify, if I mention ANY deviations from the source material on your Rings of Power page they will be removed? How do you feel about this @[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]]? Should people not be allowed to mention these? [[User:English Lady|English Lady]] ([[User talk:English Lady|talk]]) 21:34, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
:::::::We are telling you: the main article is not the place to list deviations. If any, the section of "Reception" could deal with the criticism done against RoP due its bad treatment of the source material (citing appropiate references, oc). What makes people think TG is biased in favor of RoP? We deal with this authorized adaptation as with any other else. I think we have a very poor implementation of this adaptation throughout the wiki; there are a lot of things to expand. For my part I despise this show and I haven't even watched it. [[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] ([[User talk:LorenzoCB|talk]]) 22:33, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
::::::::The respective pages for the movies all have sections headed "Deviations from source material". None of the content in these sections contains citations or references. I have provided links to show you.
::::::::[[The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring]]
::::::::[[The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers#Deviations from the source material]]
::::::::[[The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King#Deviations from the source material]]
::::::::So I ask, again, why are you demanding that no such content be added to the Rings of Power page, and that everything be referenced when you have added such content to other pages, without references? Why the double standard? Are you just trying to censor any criticism of Rings of Power, because it sure looks like that.
::::::::Adding this content to the "reception" section makes it seem like personal opinion rather than fact. I will again refer you to the fact that the articles for the movies have clearly marked sections highlighting deviations and changes, you your refusal to allow such content to be added for Rings of Power can only be taken as evidence of your bias and desire to exercise censhorship.
::::::::@[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] how you do feel about this? [[User:English Lady|English Lady]] ([[User talk:English Lady|talk]]) 07:16, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::I answered this on the section above. The films have a main article, and it doesn't deal with deviations, but each separated film's article. We must do the same with the series' episodes. It's not double standard, on the contrary, keeping the same format. Otherwise we'd be overloading the main article. If I demand references is just to the particular matter of the reception, which is not the same as a mere comparison, which doesn't need much, although references to the books should be always detailed, including those in the comparisons of the PJ films. A brief summary on the series' relation with the source materials could be added to the RoP article tho. [[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] ([[User talk:LorenzoCB|talk]]) 07:45, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
::::::::::Note that the page for each epsiode of Rings of Power has nothing under the "differences" heading. It is blank. In other words, no attempt has been made to highlight the deviations from the source material in more than 8 months. Why would that be?
::::::::::I am frankly concerned about filling in these section as I think you will remove any content for entirely arbitrary reasons based on your personal love for Rings of Power. I should also not have to provide citations when you have not done so for the sections you added to the movies. [[User:English Lady|English Lady]] ([[User talk:English Lady|talk]]) 07:56, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

:::::::::::I am frankly concerned that it seems that you have a tendency to speculate. You seem to speculate about LorenzoCB's reasons for deleting content or what readers will think if something is not present on a particular page. You do not have a magic crystal ball that allows you to read other people's minds especially not the minds of all readers of Tolkien Gateway to know what they will think or assume if they read a page. --[[User:Akhorahil|Akhôrahil]] ([[User talk:Akhorahil|talk]]) 08:17, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
::::::::::::Its not speculation. I am in many circles of Tolkien fandom, and can already see that ideas from Rings of Power have taken told. Many people are now going around saying Galadriel got her magical powers from Nenya, for example. Many don't read the books and rely on pages like this for their info. Another admin already raised concerns about errors in the movies wrongly shaping people's perceptions of lore and canon, and I have observed Rings of Power is doing the same thing. This page should be a reliable source of accurate information- not something which reinforces misimformation.
::::::::::::Also, I have encountered Lorenzo on at least one other social media page, and there he showed a very consistent love for Rings of Power. Even to the point of harrassing people critical of the series. This shows in the tone of some of his edits, which don't openly mention deviations from the source material and opt to use more "positive" langauge. [[User:English Lady|English Lady]] ([[User talk:English Lady|talk]]) 08:38, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
:::::::::::That's what I meant with the poor implementation of RoP in the wiki. There is a lot of work to do in the wiki, and RoP is the minor of all. But please, fill freely all the sections of Deviations in the episodes. It would be better if you add references, but if not, at least we'll have something to start with. Stop saying we favor this show. I hate it, but things must be done properly. Imagine if each user edited according to their own standards. [[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] ([[User talk:LorenzoCB|talk]]) 08:19, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

:I just expanded a little the "Differences" section of ''[[A Shadow of the Past]]'', including references as it should be. If expanded more, we could make some subsections. I also think we need an article for "Season One", which could include a section on overall differences, like the obliteration of Second Age's chronology. What do you think @English_Lady? --[[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] ([[User talk:LorenzoCB|talk]]) 15:19, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
::Fair enough, although the grammar wasn't great and I had to reword a lot of it for it to make sense in English. [[User:English Lady|English Lady]] ([[User talk:English Lady|talk]]) 15:13, 6 August 2023 (UTC)

A Shadow of the Past

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English Lady: /* Differences */ Correcing Grammar. It was really poor.

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{{Quote|[[Galadriel]] is disturbed by [[Snow-trolls|signs]] of an ancient [[Sauron|evil’s]] return; [[Arondir]] makes an unsettling [[Hordern|discovery]]; [[Elrond]] is [[Celebrimbor|presented]] with an [[Rings of Power|intriguing]] new [[Eregion|venture]]; [[Elanor Brandyfoot|Nori]] breaks the [[Harfoots|Harfoot]] community’s most deeply-held rule.|Official Synopsis, [[Amazon Studios]]}}

'''A Shadow of the Past''' is the first episode of [[Amazon Studios]]'s television series, ''[[The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power]]'', and it was released on [[1 September]], [[2022]].

==Synopsis==
In a voiceover narrative, Galadriel reminisces on a time during the [[Years of the Trees]] before the [[Elves]] had a word for death.

Throughout the narration, a group of elf children are seen playing before watching a young [[Galadriel]] building a paper ship. The children cause it to sink by throwing stones at it, causing Galadriel to try to attack them, only being prevented by her older brother, [[Finrod]]. Later, Galadriel talks to her brother, who tells her to follow the light and resist the darkness.

The older Galadriel then briefly relates the [[Darkening of Valinor]], the [[War of the Great Jewels]], and the rise of [[Sauron]]. Finrod was killed by Sauron and Galadriel takes his mission to hunt down and defeat Sauron upon herself. Leading a company of elves through [[Northern Waste|Forodwaith]], Galadriel finds a [[Dúrnost|fortress]] within that was once occupied by Sauron, but one of the other elves, [[Thondir]], refuses to go any further north in pursuit, and forces Galadriel to return to [[Gil-galad]].

In the [[Norfield Glen]], a community of [[Harfoots]] notice the passage of two travelling [[Pre-Númenóreans|hunters]] through the [[Rhovanion Hills|hills]] of [[Rhovanion]] at an unaccustomed season. [[Elanor Brandyfoot]] and [[Poppy Proudfellow]] take a group of children out to hunt berries but soon return to the Harfoot camp to avoid a wolf. Elanor wonders about the world outside of the Harfoots' wandering, but her stepmother/mother [[Marigold Brandyfoot|Marigold]] reminds her that the Harfoot way of life is to avoid the cares of the wide world, stick together, and stay on the usual trail.

In [[Lindon]], [[Elrond]] greets [[Galadriel]] on her return. In a welcoming ceremony, the king [[Gil-galad]] honours Galadriel and her warriors for their bravery and announces that, as a reward, they will be permitted to sail west to the [[Undying Lands]]. Galadriel confides to Elrond that she does not wish to leave Middle-earth until she has defeated Sauron, but he urges her to accept the gift and depart.

A [[Silvan Elves|Silvan elf]], [[Arondir]], arrives in the village of [[Tirharad]] in the [[Southlands]], a land inhabited by [[Men]] who were once under the sway of [[Morgoth]] and are now watched carefully by a garrison of Silvan Elves. Arondir is not warmly received by anyone except the healer [[Bronwyn]], whom Arondir appears to be falling in love with. Arondir tells an Elf, Médhor, who picks up on Arondir's feelings, that they should return to [[Watchtower of Ostirith|Ostirith]], where Arondir is told by the [[Revion|Watchwarden Revion]] that the high king has declared that the war is over and the garrison is being recalled. Returning to the village to say goodbye to Bronwyn, Arondir encounters a [[Tredwill|man with a cow]] who got sick after wandering east as far as a village called [[Hordern]]. Arondir goes to investigate, accompanied by Bronwyn. Meanwhile, Bronwyn's son [[Theo]] shows another villager, [[Rowan (The Rings of Power)|Rowan]], an old sceptre (bearing [[Sauron|Sauron's]] [[Eye of Sauron|emblem]]) that he found in [[Waldreg|Waldreg's]] barn.

In Lindon, Gil-galad admits to Elrond that Sauron may still exist, but Galadriel's presence only increased the danger. He then tells Elrond that the smith [[Celebrimbor|Lord Celebrimbor]] will need his help with a new project.

The Harfoot Trailfinder [[Sadoc Burrows]] wonders about strange signs in the stars. Arondir and Bronwyn arrive at Hordern, only to find that it had been burned down. Just before Galadriel's ship arrives in Aman, she realizes she is not ready to leave Middle-earth and dives overboard into the sea. Meanwhile, a meteor streaks across the sky and lands near the Harfoot camp. Nori investigates the crater where it fell and sees a bearded man lying there, surrounded by veins of hot rock.

==Cast==
:''In order of appearance'' (in episode credits)
{| class="wikitable"
|- bgcolor="#CCCCCC"
! Actor !! Role
|-
| [[Amelie Child Villiers]] || [[Galadriel|Young Galadriel]]
|-
| [[Will Fletcher]] || [[Finrod]]
|-
| [[Morfydd Clark]] || [[Galadriel]]
|-
| Fabian McCallum || [[Thondir]]
|-
| Kip Chapman || [[Rían (The Rings of Power)|Rían]]
|-
| [[Lenny Henry|Sir Lenny Henry]] || [[Sadoc Burrows]]
|-
| [[Sara Zwangobani]] || [[Marigold Brandyfoot]]
|-
| [[Thusitha Jayasundera]] || [[Malva Meadowgrass|Malva]]
|-
| [[Maxine Cunliffe]] || [[Vilma]]
|-
| [[Dylan Smith]] || [[Largo Brandyfoot]]
|-
| [[Markella Kavenagh]] || [[Elanor Brandyfoot|Elanor "Nori" Brandyfoot]]
|-
| [[Beau Cassidy]] || [[Dilly Brandyfoot]]
|-
| [[Megan Richards]] || [[Poppy Proudfellow]]
|-
| [[Robert Aramayo]] || [[Elrond]]
|-
| [[Benjamin Walker]] || [[Gil-galad|High-King Gil-galad]]
|-
| [[Ismael Cruz Córdova]] || [[Arondir]]
|-
| [[Geoff Morrell]] || [[Waldreg]]
|-
| [[Peter Tait]] || [[Tredwill]]
|-
| Ian Blackburn || [[Rowan (The Rings of Power)|Rowan]]
|-
| [[Nazanin Boniadi]] || [[Bronwyn]]
|-
| Augustus Prew || [[Médhor]]
|-
| Simon Merrells || [[Revion|Watchwarden Revion]]
|-
| [[Tyroe Muhafidin]] || [[Theo]]
|-
| [[Charles Edwards]] || [[Celebrimbor|Lord Celebrimbor]]
|-
| [[Daniel Weyman]] || [[The Stranger]]
|-
| Jagger Serafin Eva Gardner Oscar Beszant || [[Elves|Elf Children]]
|-
| Ashlee Fidow Carl Van Roon Sean Neary Cameron Brown || [[Elves|Elf Soldiers]]
|-
| Andrew Cottle || [[Elves|Veteran Elf]]
|-
| Kenneth Ransom || [[Pre-Númenóreans|Younger Hunter]]
|-
| Tom McCathie || [[Pre-Númenóreans|Ornery Hunter]]
|-
| Paula Nazarski || [[Harfoots|Malva's Sister]]
|-
| Shelley Waddams || [[Elves|Elf Attendant]]
|-
| Graham Rolls || [[Men|Whiskery Old Man]]
|-
| Justin Doble || [[Men|Milky-Eyed Southlander]]
|-
| Nicholas Foustellis || [[Elves|Short Haired Elf]]
|}

=== Uncredited ===
{| class="wikitable"
|- bgcolor="#CCCCCC"
! Actor !! Role
|-
| Marris Collins || [[Men|Village Man]]<ref>https://m.imdb.com/title/tt9788618/fullcredits/cast?ref_=tt_ov_st_sm</ref>
|}

== Trivia ==
Below is a list of trivia from Amazon's "X-Ray" feature that accompanied the episode.
* '''Scene 2''' - "Most of the details and elaborations told herein are derived from '[[The Lord of the Rings]]', its prologue entitled '[[Concerning Hobbits]]', and its Appendices, A through F, where the intrepid traveller may journey to discover even farther horizons."
* '''Scene 3''' - "Both Galadriel and her brother, [[Finrod Felagund]], were [[High Elves]], or [[Eldar]], of the royal house of [[Finarfin]]. ([[Appendix F]])"
* '''Scene 5''' - "Galadriel was the noblest of the High Elves known as the Exiles, a branch of the Eldarin kindred called the Noldor who left Valinor to go to Middle-earth. (Appendix F)"
* '''Scene 8''' - "Morgoth was known by many names, including the Dark Power of the North. His was a bitterly cold realm, and the snows linger still in the Forodwaith, long outlasting him. (Footnote, Appendix A)"
* '''Scene 10''' - "[[Trolls]] were made in mockery of [[Ents]] by the Dark Powers of the [[First Age]]. (Book III, Chapter 4) [[Snow-trolls]] are merely one variation of them that long ago adapted to the harsh climates of the cold northern realms they call home."
* '''Scene 12''' - Long before Hobbits became a single group of people, whose most ancient legends hardly looked further back than their [[Wandering Days]], there were [[halflings]] called [[Harfoots]]. They were travellers of highlands and hillsides. (Concerning Hobbits)."
* '''Scene 15''' - At the end of the First Age, Elrond was given a choice - he was one of the [[Peredhil]], or [[Half-elven]], and had to decide between the fate of the [[Eldar]], or of Man-kind. (Appendix A)"
* '''Scene 17''' - Harfoots are little people, and while the later Hobbits ranged between two and four feet tall, in their ancient days they were slightly taller. They were beardless, bootless, and browner of skin. (Concerning Hobbits)"
* '''Scene 19''' - Gil-galad was acknowledged as the High King of the Elves of the West, for he was the last heir of the kings of the Noldor in exile. (Appendix B)"
* '''Scene 20''' - [[Valinor]] is the Land of the [[Valar]], the angelic Guardians of the World. Their land goes by many names, among them: The Undying Lands, the Blessed Realm, Eldamar, or the Uttermost West. (Appendix A, etc.)"
* '''Scene 26''' - "Different from the Eldar, the [[Silvan Elves]] or [[Wood-elves]] lived further east from the [[Belegaer|Sea]], in forest realms such as [[Mirkwood|Greenwood the Great]]. (Appendix B)"
* '''Scene 29''' - In Middle-earth the [[Children of Ilúvatar|Two Kindreds]], the [[Firstborn]] elves and later humans, became estranged as each kind walked further down their sundered roads. (Book IV, Chapter 5)"
* '''Scene 34''' - From the [[Grey Havens]], or [[Mithlond]], the elves set sail into the [[Aman|West]], never to return to Middle-earth. (Book I, Chapter 2)"
* '''Scene 34''' - It is said that on the High Sea while sailing to the Blessed Realm, a sweet fragrance on the air and the sound of singing voices comes over the water to meet the elven-ships - then the grey rain-curtain turns to silver glass and rolls back to reveal white shores and a far green country under a swift sunrise. (Book VI, Chapter 9)"

==Production==
The episode was directed by [[J. A. Bayona]] and written by [[J. D. Payne]] and [[Patrick McKay]].

==Differences==
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In the series, the [[Silmarils]] are not mentioned and neither is the [[Oath of Fëanor]], although Finrod is said to have taken a vow to fight Morgoth.

He is shown to be taking an oath resembling the Oath of Fëanor, which is a major departure from the source material, as he was opposed to the [[Fëanorians]] both before and after [[Exile of the Noldor|coming]] to [[Middle-earth]].<ref>{{S|9}}</ref> The manner of his death is also changed: the Appendices tell us he died saving Beren whilst helping him to find a Silmaril.<ref>{{App|B1}}, p. 1082</ref> While in ''[[The Silmarillion]]'' it is specified he died wresting a wearewolf the series says he died "hunting Sauron" and shows claw marks on his body, no mention of his connection with Beren or his hunt for the Silmaril is made. ''The Silmarillion'' tells is was buried at [[Tol Sirion]], so none of his siblings could mourn over his body.<ref>{{S|Beren}}</ref>

The impact of Finrod's death on Galadriel is never mentioned in any source, much less the idea of her ever desiring revenge. In fact, we are told he was almost immediately re-embodied in Valinor, and once Galadriel learned of that, she would have been relieved and comforted. She did have, however, have concerns about the [[Shadow]] rising during the [[Second Age]], which moved her to political affairs.<ref>{{UT|Concerning}}, p. 235-6</ref> The same concerns resurged during the [[Third Age]] following Sauron's apparent death at the hands of Isildur at the end of the War of the Last Alliance. As a result she and [[Celeborn]] made journeys into various parts of Middle-earth to investigae before settling in [[Lothlórien]].<ref>{{UT|Amroth}}, pp. 243-5</ref> Beyond this, anything related to Galadriel's quests as told in the series are complete inventions.

In the legendarium, the ban on the Noldor was lifted after the [[War of Wrath]] and all were allowed to sail back to [[Valinor]].<ref>{{S|24}}</ref> This was a personal decision and not a reward or punishment doled out by the high king, [[Gil-galad]]. Galadriel was free to return on her own but continued to choose a self-imposed exile for other reasons. In fact, Galadriel could have never been a subordinate to Gil-galad: she apparently helped him to become king,<ref>{{NM|P1xi}}, p. 81</ref> she was at least a generation above him,<ref>{{S|T2}}</ref> and she was born in Valinor during the [[Years of the Trees]],<ref>{{S|Eldamar}}</ref> while he was born in Middle-earth thousand of years later.<ref group=note>[[Gil-galad#Parentage|Gil-galad's birth and parentage]] are a difficult matter, but in anycase, in all its different versions, his relation with Galadriel is always inferior.</ref>

All the Harfoot and Southland characters were invented for the show.

{{references|notes}}

==Reception==
* [https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/the_lord_of_the_rings_the_rings_of_power/s01 39% from audience and 85% from critics on Rotten Tomatoes]

== External links ==
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wEuYPD_VttE&t=122s&ab_channel=RingsandRealms Analysis of the first two episodes on Rings & Realms] (with [[Corey Olsen]])
* [https://bearmccreary.com/the-lord-of-the-rings-episode-101/ Scoring ''A Shadow of the Past''] by [[Bear McCreary]]
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Round World version of the legendarium

2023-07-12T21:00:09Z

English Lady: I found the employment of the term "legends" was a little confusing here and added clarity.

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The '''Round World''' version is one of the variants of [[J.R.R. Tolkien]]'s [[legendarium]], published in the final volumes of ''[[The History of Middle-earth]]''. In this version, the setting of his legendarium is more scientifically realistic and less mythological: the Earth was always round, and [[Arda]] was the name for the whole solar system instead of just the Earth.

In the Round World version the [[Sun]] and the [[Moon]] were not the fruit of the [[Two Trees of Valinor|Two Trees]], but actually preceded their creation, and the [[Two Lamps]] which preceded them all in the Flat World cosmology had never truly existed and were instead a subject of Númenórean legend. The significance of the Trees and the [[Silmarils]] was that they preserved the light of the Sun before it was tainted by [[Morgoth|Melkor]] when he ravished [[Arien]]. The Moon in this tale was instead a remnant of the [[First War]] from a time when Melkor sought to destroy all the earth but could not succeed in his attempts, and the Moon is what broke away from Arda in the destruction. However, another tale from this cosmology tells that the Valar wrought the Moon out of the earth to counteract the night when Melkor was most active.

Similarly, the [[stars]] were not created with the [[Awakening of the Elves]], but the occluding clouds were removed to reveal them, and it wasn't Varda who kindled them, since her power was limited to Arda while the stars were set in [[Eä]].
==History==
Tolkien himself did not believe the earth was flat or had ever been so, but chose to depict the "primeval world" of his legendarium as "flat and bounded" due to his affinity for the myths of "ancient men."<ref>{{L|131}}</ref><ref>{{L|154}}</ref>

Tolkien first experimented writing a round world version of the ''[[Ainulindalë_(Morgoth's_Ring)#Ainulindalë_C*|Ainulindalë]]'' and ''The Fall of Númenor'', in a time before the writing of ''[[The Return of the King]]''. In that draft of the ''Ainulindale'', the [[Sun]] already exists. Having sent both [[Ainulindalë_(Lost_Road)|the "Flat World"]] and the "Round World" versions to Katherine Ferrar in [[1948]], she replied that she preferred the old version better because "The hope of Heaven is the only thing which makes modern astronomy tolerable: otherwise there must be an East and a West and Walls: aims and choices and not an endless circle of wandering". Christopher Tolkien guesses that her commentary influenced his father to return to the flat-earth model, but he didn't totally abandon it.<ref>{{MR|P1f}}</ref><ref>{{SD|Drowning}}</ref>

References to the seas being first "bent" after the Fall of Númenor, to the "Sunless Years," and to the trolls of the Twilight survived in ''The Lord of the Rings''.<ref name="house">{{FR|Bombadil}}</ref><ref>{{App|Eriador}}</ref><ref>{{FR|Three}}</ref><ref>{{App|Other}}</ref> However, these may be interpreted as statements made by characters which reflect their own understanding of their world, rather than authorial declarations of objective fact.

The Round World mythology emerged again in writings between 1958-1960, but it was never developed beyond the stage of drafting and Tolkien didn't continue the revisions. Thus the Flat World version was chosen by [[Christopher Tolkien]] for the published ''[[The Silmarillion]]''.<ref>{{MR|Myths}}</ref>

Towards the end of his life, Tolkien gave an explanation which affirmed the truth of the Round World version within the legendarium and did not require him to rewrite the tales to reflect this. He recharacterized the tales and histories of the ''[[Quenta Silmarillion]]'' as "legends" chiefly those of Men but blended with those of the Sindar. <ref>{{PM|XI}}, Note 17</ref><ref>{{PM|XIII}}, Note 17</ref> From the perspective of a character within the legendarium, the tales may be understood to be truth but there is no need to accept the story of the reshaping of the world as "geologically or astronomically 'true.'"<ref>{{L|325}}</ref>

It also needs to be understood that the term "legends" does not suggest any part of Tolkien's work held a lesser or uncanonical status, since everything he wrote was supposed to be a set of legends and myths. He set out to write his own mythology for for a created world.

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User talk:Mord

2023-07-12T20:53:21Z

English Lady:

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-- [[User:Mith|'''Mith''']] ([[User talk:Mith|'''Talk''']]/[[Special:Contributions/Mith|Contribs]]/[[Special:Editcount/Mith/Edits|Edits]]) 12:15, 25 November 2020 (UTC)

== User name Mord ==
Are you aware that your user name means "murder" (i.e. the crime) in german? {{unsigned|Akhorahil}}
:So I have been told, yes, but I assure you the similarity is coincidental. :) The original derivation is from [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mordred#Name Mordred], son of King Arthur, but shortened from long use as an online handle. --[[Special:Contributions/Mord|Mord]] 07:53, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
::Don't worry, my name means many awful things in various languages, cannot be avoided existing so many different languages. But in Tolkien's early Gnomish, ''mord'' was the word for 'man, warrior'. --Tik 08:42, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
==Fourth Age==
Hi, I am sorry but I reverted your recent edits on the Fourth Age articles because they were incorrect. The mention of the SR 1952 exists already in the earlier editions and it is not a matter of the 50th Anniv edition as you say in your edits. [[User:Sage|Sage]] 18:56, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
:On closer inspection, you are correct. That's what I get for thinking I found a eureka moment at 3AM... --[[Special:Contributions/Mord|Mord]] 20:57, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

==About Finduilas==
Finduilas was an adult, as she was betrothed to [[Gwindor]], and most probably she chosed to stay in Nargothrond till she had news from him, or even till he came back, as eventually happened. Or maybe she just stayed there supporting his father (I always imagine Orodreth with low morale). Good question, I had never thought about it. --[[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] 10:48, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

:Massive essay incoming... my apologies for the length; but I wanted to get my thoughts out. Reading is always optional. :)

:I agree with your assessment: I do think Finduilas was an adult in the Dagor Bragollach and the elder sister of Gil-galad. However, I don't think I can prove that.
{{blockquote|Children of Men might reach their full height '''[Ed: roughly 20?]''' while Eldar of the same age were still in body like to mortals of no more than seven years. Not until the fiftieth year did the Eldar attain the stature and shape in which their lives would afterwards endure, and for some a hundred years would pass before they were full-grown.] The Eldar wedded for the most part in their youth and '''soon after their fiftieth year'''. [...] Those who would afterwards become wedded might choose one another early in youth, even as children (and indeed this happened often in days of peace); but unless they desired soon to be married and were of fitting age, the betrothal awaited the judgement of the parents of either party. [...] According to the laws of the Eldar this betrothal was bound then to stand for '''one year at least, and it often stood for longer.''' [...] But at whatever age they married, their children were born within a short space of years after their wedding.* * Short as the Eldar reckoned time. In mortal count there was often a long interval between the wedding and the first child-birth, and even longer between child and child. |[[Morgoth's Ring|Laws and Customs among the Eldar]]}}

:In light of that info about the Elven life cycle, the timeline of known events in Orodreth, Gil-galad, and Finduilas' lives (as gathered from the [[Silmarillion]] and [[The Grey Annals]] is as follows:
*''Unknown, unlikely later than Y.T. 1490:'' Birth of Orodreth.
*{{YT|1495}}: Orodreth, presumably an adult (at least 50 Years of the Sun AKA ~5.25 Years of the Trees), accompanies his father Angrod across the Helcaraxë in the Flight of the Noldor. His mother does not come with them.
*''Unknown, unlikely earlier than {{FA|20}}:'' Orodreth betrothed to his unnamed Sinda wife, perhaps meeting at the [[Mereth Aderthad]]. The couple may dwell in Dorthonion with Orodreth's father Angrod or somewhere in West Beleriand with Finrod. If the couple were betrothed in F.A. 20:
**F.A. 21: the earliest possible year of Orodreth's marriage
**F.A. 22: the earliest possible year of Finduilas' birth
*{{FA|52}}: Finrod begins the delving of Nargothrond.
*{{FA|60}}: Dagor Aglareb; construction of Minas Tirith.
*{{FA|102}}: Completion of Nargothrond; Finrod leaves Minas Tirith in keeping of Orodreth.
*{{FA|455}}: Dagor Bragollach; deaths of Angrod and Aegnor; fall of Dorthonion.
*{{FA|456}}: Gil-galad's father sends him to Círdan at the Falas for protection. (Note - this event was written in a draft in which Gil-galad is the "young son" of Fingon and connects the sending with the death of Fingolfin and succession of Fingon.)
*{{FA|457}}: Fall of Minas Tirith to Sauron; Orodreth removes to Nargothrond.
*{{FA|465}}: Death of Finrod; Tol-in-Gaurhoth destroyed; Orodreth becomes King of Nargothrond.
*{{FA|472}}: Latest possible betrothal of Finduilas to Gwindor; Nirnaeth Arnoediad; Gwindor captured by Morgoth.
*{{FA|490}}: Gwindor escapes Morgoth and brings Túrin to Nargothrond.
*{{FA|495}}: Fall of Nargothrond; death of Finduilas.

:Also in 495, there's a very interesting passage from the Silmarillion:
{{blockquote|Now it came to pass, when four hundred and ninety-five years had passed since the rising of the Moon, in the spring of the year, there came to Nargothrond two Elves, named Gelmir and Arminas; they were of Angrod’s people, but since the Dagor Bragollach they dwelt in the south with Círdan the Shipwright. From their far journeys they brought tidings of a great mustering of Orcs and evil creatures under the eaves of Ered Wethrin and in the Pass of Sirion; and they told also that Ulmo had come to Círdan, giving warning that great peril drew nigh to Nargothrond. ‘Hear the words of the Lord of Waters!’ said they to the King. ‘Thus he spoke to Círdan the Shipwright: “The Evil of the North has defiled the springs of Sirion, and my power withdraws from the fingers of the flowing waters. But a worse thing is yet to come forth. Say therefore to the Lord of Nargothrond: Shut the doors of the fortress and go not abroad. Cast the stones of your pride into the loud river, that the creeping evil may not find the gate.”’ Orodreth was troubled by the dark words of the messengers, but Túrin would by no means hearken to these counsels, and least of all would he suffer the great bridge to be cast down; for he was become proud and stern, and would order all things as he wished.}}
:This establishes that there were many of Angrod's people (and presumably also Aegnor's) who had gone to the Falas rather than Nargothrond, so if indeed Orodreth had chosen to send Gil-galad to Brithombar or Eglarest rather than Nargothrond, he would have gone in the company of kin of the House of Finarfin and indeed the House of Angrod. So, it is much less remarkable that Orodreth would send away his young son to the Falas rather than bring him to Nargothrond, even though Nargothrond was at that time still secret and safe. So that actually answers some of my questions regarding why Orodreth would even send Gil-galad away in the first place.

:Anyway, past that, what can we prove and what inferences can we make?

:Gil-galad is a "young son" in need of protection in F.A. 456, meaning that he must be under 100 years old, almost certainly under 50 years. It's possible that Gil-galad was conceived in FA. 455 prior to the Dagor Bragollach and is literally a newborn at the time he is sent to the Falas, but to my mind it seems more likely that an Elf would be called a "young son" between the ages of 20 and 50 years. So at the absolute maximum ends of the range, Gil-galad would have been born between '''F.A. 406 and F.A. 456'''. I consider it most likely that he was born between F.A. 416 and F.A. 436, probably closer to the younger end of that range.

:As for Finduilas, basically the only firm date we have for her is that she was old enough to be formally and publicly betrothed at the time Gwindor left for the Nirnaeth Arnoediad, suggesting she was at least 50 years old in F.A. 472 (but possibly much older). If Orodreth and his wife were betrothed in F.A. 20, Finduilas has a possible range of birth dates between '''F.A. 22 and F.A. 422'''.

:Placing Orodreth's marriage in the timeline offers difficulties whether early or late in the First Age - '''if Orodreth married early''', we would expect all his children to be born shortly thereafter and thus wonder: why did Orodreth and his wife delay in having children so long after their marriage; or if Finduilas were born shortly after her parents' marriage, why did Finduilas wait until so late in her own life to be betrothed to Gwindor, and why there is such a large gap between the births of Finduilas and Gil-galad? '''If Orodreth married late''', that moots any questions related to the timing of the births of his children, but it must then be considered why he himself married so late in life.

:Based on all previous evidence, the earliest possible birth of Gil-galad in F.A. 406 is before the latest possible birth of Finduilas in F.A. 422 which would heighten the contradiction of Orodreth sending Gil-galad to safety but not Finduilas in F.A. 456; Gil-galad could have been near adulthood while Finduilas could have been only 34.

:If we suppose (and indeed, this would be an assumption without evidence) that Finduilas was rather an adult at the time of the Dagor Bragollach and thus not in need of special protection, that would make her latest possible birth year F.A. 405 rather than 422. However, there is no reason this '''has''' to have been the case - a birth year of 422 would make Finduilas a child of 33 years at the Dagor Bragollach, and still a young adult of 50 years at the time we know her to have been betrothed to Gwindor.

:As you say, it is possible that Finduilas and Gwindor were betrothed at the time of the Dagor Bragollach, which would explain her unwillingness to fly to the Havens and mean that their betrothal lasted for 17 years or more prior to the Nirnaeth Arnoediad. Tolkien explicitly calls out the possibility that betrothals could stand for longer than one year, though 17 years seems remarkably excessive; you could counter that by considering the period between the Dagor Bragollach and Nirnaeth Arnoediad to be a "time of war," and the Eldar do not marry during such.

:But all these are possibilities, hypotheticals, and "what ifs." We don't '''know''' whether Gil-galad or Finduilas is the elder sibling. Likewise, we don't '''know''' that Finduilas was an adult at the time of the Dagor Bragollach. We also don't '''know''' when Finduilas became engaged to Gwindor.

:I consider it most likely that Finduilas is indeed the elder sister of Gil-galad and that she was an adult at the time of the Dagor Bragollach, whether or not she was engaged to Gwindor at that time. If I had to bet, I would place Finduilas' birth in the range '''F.A. 385 - 405''' and Gil-galad's birth in the range '''F.A. 416 - 436'''. I would place Orodreth's marriage sometime during the Siege of Angband, in the mid to late 300s. (That means he would have married about 350 years later in life than might be usual, but I think it's more likely for him to have married late than for him to have married early and gone for centuries without offspring.)

:I concur with your notion that Orodreth would be someone with "low morale" - he seems to have spent his life getting bossed around and bullied by others... He did not found his own realm in Beleriand and instead passively received Finrod's old castle as a gift; Sauron drove him and his people from their home mainly by fear rather than force; Celegorm and Curufin usurped the mastery of Nargothrond from him and he had enough willpower neither to drive them out himself nor to punish them after the people turned against them; Túrin commanded Nargothrond to suit his pleasure even when Orodreth wanted to heed the warning of Ulmo regarding the bridge. Poor Orodreth really does seem like the black sheep of the House of Finarfin. --[[Special:Contributions/Mord|Mord]] 04:26, 7 December 2020 (UTC)

::Sorry, I posposed to read this and then I forgot. It is a nice essay. I disagree with some things tho. We concur that Finduilas was born before Gil-galad (btw, this should be fixed in the Genealogy section of some articles).

::The main point to everything: do we even know if Finduilas was even born in Beleriand? Maybe I missed something explicit against it, but she could easily be born in Valinor before the Exile (probably being a child when this happened, as she would be the only known exile of the fourth generation). This would solve the problem of Orodreth being married so late: he was already married to his anonymous wife (it's funny that we know the names of the Noldorin wives that remain in Valinor but not of this one). This would also explain the birth of Gil-galad: the Elves did not marry or had children during war times (as explained in ''Laws and Customs among the Eldar''), so Orodreth and his wife could have make a reproduction break during the first centuries of the First Age. However, surely a realm like Nargothrond during the [[Long Peace]] would invite Elvish breeding (this is clearly seen in Gondolin), so Gil-galad could be product of the relative confidence. --[[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] 16:31, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

::Aaand... I forgot Orodreth married a Sindarin lady. Forgot what I said. Must check the sources. --[[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] 16:36, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

== Orc origin controversy ==

Both Morgoth's Ring and Nature of Middle Earth mention the possibility of Sauron's involvement in the breeding of Orc-kind - Sauron is credited as having made them in mockery of Men according to an idea of Morgoth. Therefore I thought to add that possibility to the page, given it appears in the late writings of J.R.R. Tolkien and is mentioned in more than one source. No need to write comments in edits that seem to suggest your looking down on at least some users. But if we're at it, I was not about to simply immediately agree with someone who doesn't always necessarily do all their research (from what I remember on the Sauron article). You're not an admin and not necessarily with more knowledge than me. But since I don't like edit wars or to keep others from editing articles that really need editing, there's always a talk page in articles to discuss this stuff. I'll ask on the talk page if my point on Sauron's part in Orc-making is deemed valid and until then we'll leave your edit. I think it sounds fair enough. --[[User:LordoftheEarth|LordoftheEarth]] ([[User talk:LordoftheEarth|talk]]) 12:51, 19 September 2022 (UTC)
:Yes, some sources mention the possibility of Sauron's involvement in the genesis of the Orcs - but not all. The [[Orcs/Origin]] article exists in order to deal fairly and neutrally with the issue, giving each source the full attention it deserves without putting TG editors in the position of deciding what is canon (q.v. [[TG:CANON]]).
:As for edit summaries: people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. You came out swinging with a catty call-out - about an issue about which you were wrong, no less - and now you feign offense. May I suggest you treat others as you would like to be treated and perhaps familiarize yourself with [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Assume_good_faith WP:GOODFAITH]? --[[Special:Contributions/Mord|Mord]] 23:07, 19 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi

Thanks for the edits to the Round World page. My only concern about the Wording of the page is that the term "legends" could be misunderstood to denote something which isn't canon but that's not what it means in relation to Tolkiens' work.

This part in particular comes over as ambigious "<ins> the tales may be understood to contain a germ of truth, embellished in literary tradition" </ins>

Since it appears to suggest "Legends" somehow have a lesser place in Tolkien's work, when it is all Legends. [[User:English Lady|English Lady]] ([[User talk:English Lady|talk]]) 20:53, 12 July 2023 (UTC)

Talk:Canon

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Since the encyclopedia treats the post-silmarillion things as canon (eg. Gil-galad son of Orodreth) perhaps the encyclopedia should also prefer 'updated' words such as Echoriad, Amon Gwared and Dor Fin i-Chuinar? [[User:Sage|Sage]] 15:08, 5 August 2008 (EDT)

:I don't know, I'm in the Second Sentence group, "Quite a few readers do not believe that any clear canon exists at all." -- [[User:Ederchil|Ederchil]] 15:36, 5 August 2008 (EDT)

==The New Section==
:By Matthew, "On Canon and Mythology". I'm having some trouble with it, but I wanted to hear other people's opinion.

# It's out of place at its current location. It could be an extension of the third reason, though.
# Who is Joseph Campbell? You quote him like he's the next best thing since sliced bread, but wouldn't a more Tolkien-related explanation be better?
# The spelling, dude, the spelling. Again. Middle-earth. Tolkien. And please no "JRRT"'s anywhere except on talk pages.
# "While the readers of Tolkien often take all of the material as being inerrent and a "factual" accounting of what transpired in the various ages of Middle Earth". It could do with a <nowiki>{{fact}}</nowiki>. Where are these LotR-thumpers? If we want anything good, we don't want to quote anonymous authorities, let alone exaggerated ones.

Yours, {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 18:02, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

I agree with your suggestions to whomever the writer of this article is Ederchil, but I am shocked that you are oblivious to the brilliance of Joseph Campbell.You may want to "study up." Perhaps you are right that he should not be quoted nonetheless. -Ingwe

::I think Joseph Campbell was a professor on mythology, but I don't know how relevant he is to Tolkien (there are no mentions to "Hobbit", "The Lord of the Rings", "Tolkien" or "Middle-earth" on his [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Campbell Wikipedia] article). Although I don't mind quoting someone who was a professor on mythology, the lack of references is slightly irritating and there are many "[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weasel_word weasel words]" in the article (I do think this is problem with the article in general as there appear to be no references).
::I think that although Joseph Campbell may have been an expert in his field, it sounds as if many of the points raised refer to historical mythologies which have evolved over time when later writings became very different from the earlier ones (the tales of King Arthur are a good example of this). Although ''The Hobbit'' and ''The Lord of the Rings'' are very different, I do not think this is because of massive re-tellings in the story: it is because ''The Hobbit'' and ''The Lord of the Rings'' were written very differently for very different purposes; I personally think ''The Hobbit'' stands alone from the rest of the legendarium in this respect and it is slightly unfair to compare the two - after all, the two were very separate for a long time and were moulded together it latter years.
::Along with the issue of re-tellings, I do not believe that many of the conflicting passages are reconcilable: what, in fact, needs to be decided (although, of course, not by us as editors) is which parts Tolkien considered final and which parts he didn't; he was a man not a omniscient super-being, he made mistakes and changed his mind as the years progressed as many authors do (''The History of "The Lord of the Rings"'' is a testament to that).
::On the issue of spelling, I recommend using [http://www.mozilla.com/firefox Firefox] which comes with an in-built spell-checker for text-areas.--{{User:Mith/sig}} 23:27, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

:::Okay, I hadn't heard of Campbell. But I agree with Mith; his theories do not seem to be centered on Modern, "made-up" mythology.
:::I also agree that ''The Hobbit'' stands out of the rest; obviously written for another audience, it uses many similes and anachronisms that are out of touch with the rest of the legendarium.
:::The problem with "final" is this: currently, the Third Edition Hobbit is "canon" by our standards. However, in HoTH, there's the "Fifth Phase" Hobbit, which was an attempted rewrite to "merge" it with the LotR environment - more Inns, including the PP, a longer route, but unfortunately, he never got past Rivendell (don't know out of my head whether he disgarded it or not).
:::Tolkien was, without a doubt, the biggest retconner in the history of retcons. Some were explained away by what now could/would be called fanwank (think Riddles in the Dark).
:::Also in the retcon department - the 50th anniversary edition has several "mistakes" corrected - Tale of Years mostly. Is that canon?
:::Tolkien must have said something on the "Tolkien the Chronicler" interpretation ([[Letter 268]] comes to mind), can't we use that?
:::Spelling isn't really an issue of browsers, it's just that this user showed some wrong spellings - Middle Earth, Dol Goldûr, among others - before.
:::--{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 07:46, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

How long are we going to wait for the spelling in this article to be rectified before we start editing mercilessly? In some places, "Tolkien" is not even capitalized! -Ingwe

:You can do it, if you like. Can't do it myself, though. My PC is so slow (apparently still some malware left) I can't edit long pages (or access, hotmail, youtube, et cetera). Otherwise, I would have done most of my concerns myself. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 17:25, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

The main problem in this section is rather simple. The author asserts that people in mythology believe that they are in a mythological story. Preposterous! To us and Tolkien the story is mythological. But certainly Bilbo and others believe in their own reality. I am going to cut that part of the section. -Ingwe

== Additional "canonical" works ==

What about adding some notes to the Canon page on the textual fragments published in Parma Eldalamberon and Vinyar Tengwar? These wouldn't be much different in canonical status than, e.g., The History of Middle-earth volumes. --[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 08:27, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

:I agree. Much of it is on par with HoMe. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 10:10, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

=="Fixed" works==

''As only [[The Hobbit]], [[The Lord of the Rings]], [[The Adventures of Tom Bombadil]], and [[The Road Goes Ever On (book)|The Road Goes Ever On]] were published during Tolkien's lifetime, only those works should be considered "true" canon with respect to Tolkien's publication history. Tolkien himself considered the published works as "fixed" and tried not to introduce new concepts that would contradict or alter them, while elements he left unpublished, he continued to experiment on.'''

I think this statement isn't totally true. Even while the Hobbit was published Tolkien did invent new concepts that contradicted with the orginal Hobbit ([[Gollum]] for example) in [[The Lord of the Rings]], although these were revised. And after LOTR was published he wrote texts in which the Blue Wizards came earlier to [[Middle-earth]] then was mentioned in the appendixes and that [[Celebrimbor]] was the son of [[Daeron]]. So did he real consider that the published works were "fixed"? And if Tolkien did say this somewhere, shouldn't there be a source added? --[[User:Amroth|Amroth]] 12:53, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

:To be honest, this whole article is a car-crash: it's unsourced and is a mix of information on canon in general, canon on TG, and canon within the legendarium. The above isn't not the only statement which is questionable. I would just delete this page and start again as there is little which is salvageable. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 13:26, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

::I don't want to stir up a big fuss, but I would like to know if ''The Children of Húrin'' is considered canonical for TG? Should it be added to the list in "Canon status of various writings"? There are bits of information in this story that are not found in ''The Silmarillion'' or the ''Unfinished Tales'', so if CoH is canonical I would be willing to insert this info into various articles. --[[User:Gamling|Gamling]] 21:50, 3 November 2011

:::I think CoH should be considered canonical for TG. As for this article, I think that it needs to be re-written to explain the concept of canon within the legendarium and the complications involved. Then we'll need a Tolkien Gateway:Canon page to define TG canon policy.--{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 22:18, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

::::Indeed, if we consider ''The Silmarillion'' to be canonical on TG, then there's no reason to not include CoH in the canon.--[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 05:30, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

:::::COH, yes, canon; in conflicts with ''The Silmarillion'' I think COH should be preferred. This article should have any whiff of TG policy removed from it (a policy that was never agreed to by anyone) and the whole thing just scrapped and completely restarted. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 09:24, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

== Quote source ==
The quote on Tolkien's thoughts is a good one, but could do with some better sourcing. Which of the authors penned it? Which chapter is it in? --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 19:59, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

:According to this online [http://www.tolkien.ro/blog/2011/06/the-evolution-of-the-queen-of-the-stars/ article] (by Kristine Larsen; I unfortunately don't have the original book), it's Wayne G. Hammond "quoting an unnamed 'enthusiast'" in the chapter "'A Continuing and Evolving Creation': Distractions in the Later History of Middle-earth".--[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 20:23, 31 August 2018 (UTC)

== Citations ==

Thank you for your help in improving this article @[[User:English Lady|English Lady]]. I think including such a large amount of text from [[Letter 131]] might be a bit too much for this article though, maybe we can include the most important portion(s) of it? I've also added some requests for citations throughout the article, this would be a huge help if we could provide the readers with references to where our statements come from, as we don't want them merely relying on our word for things. Thanks again! [[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] ([[User talk:Hyarion|talk]]) 17:54, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

:Believe it or not, this is actually a really cut down version of the text from that letter! The original version is several pages long! I might try and cut it more.
:My main problem with the article is that it didn't seem to represent what "Legends" means in the context of Tolkien's work and there seemed to be some misunderstandig of the Publication order and how this related to edits made to his work. E.G The Hobbit was rewritten because Tolkien wasn't planning to write a sequel until many years later. [[User:English Lady|English Lady]] ([[User talk:English Lady|talk]]) 18:57, 9 July 2023 (UTC)

Canon

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[[File:Donato Giancola - J.R.R.Tolkien Portrait.jpg|thumb|''J.R.R.Tolkien'' by [[Donato Giancola]]]]
'''Canon''' is a term to refer to consistent "absolute truth" in literature, religion and fiction, in contrast to apocryphal tales of "lesser" significance and value. Many sophisticated works of fiction have some canon that refers to the corpus of the officially-released works and aims to internal consistency. For a full definition, see [[Wikipedia:Canon (fiction)]].

It is difficult to speak of what is "true" in the context of [[J.R.R. Tolkien]]'s [[legendarium]], or which texts should be considered part of the '''canon'''.

==Publication history==

{{quote|...there are Tolkien's latest thoughts, his best thoughts, and his published thoughts and these are not necessarily the same.|''[[Tolkien's Legendarium|Tolkien's Legendarium: Essays on The History of Middle-earth]]''}}

There are various reasons that make the idea of a Tolkien canon problematic:

* Tolkien worked on Middle-earth over the course of decades, making substantial changes. Readers may remember, for example, the differences between ''The Hobbit'' and ''The Lord of the Rings'' with regard to [[Gandalf]] and the [[Elves]]. Moreover, toward the end of his life the focus of his writing shifted from pure storytelling to more philosophical concerns, which led to a considerable shift in tone and content.

* Tolkien's writing is laden with details and hints, which can be contradictory, especially in the posthumously published work. Such information should not take precedence over more explicit statements elsewhere, but it can help to flesh out our understanding of Middle-earth (even if it does at times add confusion). In general, the '''revised''' versions of ''The Hobbit'' and the ''Lord of the Rings'' are considered canon, but with ''The Silmarillion'' and other posthumous texts the matter is more complex.

* To add to the confusion, in some cases, Tolkien intentionally left some gaps in his works. In [[Letter 144]] he provided both an explanation and an example of this, writing that ''"even in a mythical Age there must be some enigmas, as there always are. [[Tom Bombadil]] is one (intentionally)."'' Giving an incomplete picture in this way can be frustrating, but it also makes the invented world feel more natural.

{{blockquote|I am doubtful myself about the undertaking. Part of the attraction of the [[The Lord of the Rings|L.R.]] is, I think, due to the glimpses of a large history in the background: an attraction like that of viewing far off an unvisited island, or seeing the towers of a distant city gleaming in a sunlit mist. To go there is to destroy the magic, unless new unattainable vistas are again revealed. Also many of the older legends are purely 'mythological', and nearly all are grim and tragic: a long account of the disasters that destroyed the beauty of the Ancient World, from the darkening of [[Valinor]] to the Downfall of [[Númenor]] and the flight of [[Elendil]].|[[Letter 257]], [[16 July]] [[1964]]}}

As only ''[[The Hobbit]]'', ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'', ''[[The Adventures of Tom Bombadil]]'', and ''[[The Road Goes Ever On (book)|The Road Goes Ever On]]'' were published during Tolkien's lifetime, and some argue only those works should be considered "true" canon with respect to Tolkien's publication history. Tolkien himself considered the published works as "fixed" and tried not to introduce new concepts that would contradict or alter them, while he continued to revise some unpublished material for most of his life. However, Tolkien's publication history was complicated, and was not related to his views on canon.

''The Hobbit'' was revised twice, and ''The Lord of The Rings'' once. The reasons for the revisions to 1950 revised edition of ''The Hobbit'' were not related to canonicity, but instead were designed to make the book more consistent with ''The Lord of the Rings''. When The Hobbit was first published in the 1930s, Tolkien had not been planning to write the later work, and so some details were inconsistent. The ring that Bilbo obtained, for example was not related to Sauron in the original edition. It was simply a magic ring that could make the wearer invisible. In anticipation of the publication of its sequel, Tolkien had to rewrite parts of ''The Hobbit'' to make it consistent with ''The Lord of the Rings.''

In Tolkien's commentary in the Appendices of ''The Lord of The Rings'', where he presented the work itself as being a [[Red Book of Westmarch|translation of mythology]] written down ''in'' the world of Arda, subject to errors and other inaccuracies of those fictional characters who "wrote" the material Tolkien is "translating." Similarly, ''The Hobbit'' is said to be a translation of a memoir written by Bilbo Baggins, and it is commonly thought that a degree of unreliable narration is intentionally presented at different parts of the story. This particular element was added by Tolkien to provide an in-universe explanation for the inconsistencies between the first edition of ''The Hobbit'' and later editions.

It is worth noting tha the term "mythology" or "legends" as used by Tolkien in reference to his work does '''not''' mean it shouldn't be considered a formal part of canon or inherently unreliable. Tolkien concieved of all of his writing as part of a vast "mythology" which he had originally intended to replace the lost myths and legends of his homeland of England. As time went on, he abandoned the idea of writing a mythology for England and instead came to see his work as a vast corpus of mythology, stories, history and legends for his own invented world. As a result of this, all his writings relating to Middle-Earth are known collectively as ''The Legendarium''.

[[Christopher Tolkien]] kept as closely as possible to the material his father wrote when ''[[The Silmarillion]]'' was published, and stated he had kept it as consistent as possible because his father considered the account of the forging of the Rings and the Downfall of Númenor to be "essential background to The Hobbit and its sequel" <ref name=":0">Letter 131 to Milton Waldman- Unknown Date, 1951 </ref>

J.R.R Tolkien also left a comprehensive and detailed summary of ''The Silmarillion'' which we wrote in Letter 131 to his friend Milton Waldman, and this reveals that the version published by Christopher is largely unchanged in its major details and events.

{{Blockquote|The cycles begin with a cosmogonical myth: the Music of the Ainur. God and the Valar (or powers: Englished as gods) are revealed.

It moves then swiftly to the History of the Elves, or the Silmarillion proper; to the world as we perceive it, but of course transfigured in a still half-mythical mode: that is it deals with rationalincarnate creatures of more or less comparable stature with our own. The Knowledge of theCreation Drama was incomplete: incomplete in each individual 'god', and incomplete if all theknowledge of the pantheon were pooled. For (partly to redress the evil of the rebel Melkor, partly for the completion of all in an ultimate finesse of detail) the Creator had not revealed all.

So, proceeding, the Elves have a fall, before their 'history' can become storial. (The first fall of Man, for reasons explained, nowhere appears – Men do not come on the stage until all that is long past, and there is only a rumour that for a while they fell under the domination of the Enemy and that some repented.) The main body of the tale, the Silmarillion proper, is about the fall of the most gifted kindred of the Elves, their exile from Valinor (a kind of Paradise, the home of the Gods) in the furthest West, their re-entry into Middle-earth, the land of their birth but long under the rule of the Enemy, and their strife with him, the power of Evil still visibly incarnate. It receives its name because the events are all threaded upon the fate and significance of the Silmarilli ('radiance of pure light') or Primeval Jewels.

The chief of the stories of the Silmarillion, and the one most fully treated is the Story of Beren and Lúthien the Elfmaiden.There are other stories almost equally full in treatment, and equally independent and yet linked to the general history. There is the Children of Húrin, the tragic tale of Túrin Turambar and his sister Níniel ...

There is the Fall of Gondolin: the chief Elvish stronghold. And the tale, or tales, of Earendil the Wanderer. He is important as the person who brings the Silmarillion to its end, and as providing in his offspring the main links to and persons in the tales of later Ages.

The next cycle deals (or would deal) with the Second Age. But it is on Earth a dark age, and not very much of its history is (or need be) told. In the great battles against the First Enemy the lands were broken and ruined, and the West of Middle-earth became desolate. We learn that the Exiled Elves were, if not commanded, at least sternly counselled to return into the West, and there be at peace. They were not to dwell permanently in Valinor again, but in the Lonely Isle of Eresseëa within sight of the Blessed Realm. The Men of the Three Houses were rewarded for their valour and faithful alliance, by being allowed to dwell 'western-most of all mortals', in the great 'Atlantis' isle of Númenóre.

The Elves of Eregion made Three supremely beautiful and powerful rings, almost solely of their own imagination, and directed to the preservation of beauty:
But secretly in the subterranean Fire, in his own Black Land, Sauron made One Ring, the Ruling Ring that contained the powers of all the others, and controlled them, so that its wearer could see the thoughts of all those that used the lesser rings, could govern all that they did, and in the end could utterly enslave them.

He reckoned, however, without the wisdom and subtle perceptions of
the Elves. The moment he assumed the One, they were aware of it, and of his secret purpose, andwere afraid. They hid the Three Rings, so that not even Sauron ever discovered where they were and they remained unsullied. The others they tried to destroy.
In the resulting war between Sauron and the Elves Middle-earth, especially in the west, was further ruined.

The Downfall of
Númenor, the Second Fall of Man , brings on the catastrophic end, not only of the Second Age, but of the Old World, the primeval world of legend (envisaged as flat and bounded).
So the end of the Second Age draws on in a major catastrophe; but it is not yet quite concluded.

The Second Age ends with the Last Alliance (of Elves and Men), and the great siege of Mordor.
It ends with the overthrow of Sauron and destruction of the second visible incarnation of evil. But at a cost, and with one disastrous mistake. Gilgalad and Elendil are slain in the act of slaying Sauron. Isildur, Elendil's son, cuts die ring from Sauron's hand, and his power departs, and his spirit flees into the shadows.
But the evil begins to work. Isildur claims the Ring as his own, as 'the Weregild of his father', and refuses to cast it into the Fire nearby. He marches away, but is drowned in the Great River, and the Ring is lost, passing out of all knowledge. But it is not unmade, and the Dark Tower built with its aid still stands, empty but not destroyed. So ends the Second Age with the coming of the Númenórean realms and the passing of the last kingship of the High Elves|- Letter 131 to Milton Waldman- Unknown date probably 1951 }} Throughout his commentaries in ''[[The History of Middle-earth]]'', Christopher has pointed out any discrepancies between his editorial decisions and alterations and later additions or revisions his father intended to make to small details about people, places and things in the text. He pointed out where different versions existed, or changes had been made by his father.

The chapters in the published ''Silmarillion'' about the ruin of [[Doriath]] and the fall of [[Gondolin]], especially the former, were edited by Christopher Tolkien and [[Guy Gavriel Kay]], to fill in some gaps in the available draft material, and therefore may not represent J.R.R. Tolkien's own ideas about how those stories should have been be compiled and completed. ''The Fall of Gondolin'' was abandoned by J.R.R Tolkien and never finished, so Christopher and Kay had to complete it and write a proper ending.

''[[Unfinished Tales]]'' consists of essays and stories composed at various times. Many were written before the ''Lord of the Rings'' and some were written afterwards. Most were generally consistent with ''The Lord of the Rings'', although some of the stories were set in the First and Second Age and did not relate directly to ''The Lord of the Rings'' because they were written years before. Galadriel does not appear in any of the early versions of stories like ''The Children of Hurin'', for example, even though parts of it are set in Doriath because her character was not created until later.

The book contains a chapter entitled ''The History of Galadriel and Celeborn'', which chronicles Galadriel and Celeborn's movements in the Second Age as well as their involvement in some of the events of the First Age. There are different versions of some parts and events of the story. It also contains a secion on the nature of the Istari, and a details account of the battle of Gladden Fields. The differences between some differing versions of some of the material, especially relating to Galadriel and Celeborn does create some inconsistencies, but as a whole Unfinished Tales is consistent with Tolkien's finished work.

The various texts published in ''[[The History of Middle-earth]]'' date from all periods of Tolkien's life and generally exclude the more finished sections used for the published works.

Towards the end of his life, Tolkien described the tales of the ''[[Quenta Silmarillion]]'' as legends, chiefly those of Men but blended with those of the Sindar. As such the tales could contain a various traditions and accounts passed down through time, embellished in literary tradition.<ref>{{L|325}}</ref><ref>{{PM|XI}}</ref><ref>{{PM|XIII}}</ref> Tolkien had, at several points suggested he the described the ''Lord of the Rings'' and ''The Hobbit'' in a similar way. Indeed, he considered everything he wrote to be set "body of mythology" or set of legends, so the term "legend" should not be considered evidence that he didn't want ''The Silmarillion'' to be counted alongside the rest of his work. Since, as already stated, Tolkien considered parts of the ''The Silmarillion'' to be "essential background" to ''The Hobbit'' and ''The Lord of the Rings.''<ref name=":0" />

==Determining a priority==
When handling two or more inconsistent elements of Tolkien's Legendarium, there are at least two (sometimes overlapping, sometimes conflicting) rules of thumb according to which a Tolkienist can apply criticism and determine which is more valid over the other.
;Final intent
:This principle follows the axiom that Tolkien's Legendarium is a work that was revisioned towards maturity and refinement, therefore later ideas are more valid than earlier ones. For example, in one of his [[Last Writings]] (q.v.) near the end of his life, Tolkien wrote that the [[Blue Wizards]] played a big role in the [[East]]. This can be considered the "final word" on the matter, obsoleting an earlier idea (stated in [[Letter 211]]) that they fell like Saruman.
;Height intent
:This principle considers that by the writing of the ''Lord of the Rings'' the Legendarium had reached its peak of maturity. Afterwards, Tolkien's personal and unpublished writings presented a "decline" and were mainly experiments with philosophical matters of Arda, which sometimes contradicted the established works. These were eventually abandoned or left unfinished. Such concepts include the [[Round World version of the Silmarillion]], or the [[1960]] partial rewrite of ''The Hobbit''.

==Individual Issues==
===Gil-galad===
An example of the canon question is the lineage of [[Gil-galad]]. In the published ''Silmarillion'' he is said to be the son of [[Fingon]], but as disclosed in ''[[The War of the Jewels]]'' Tolkien considered many arrangements before apparently deciding that he was the son of [[Orodreth]], who would then also be displaced as a son of [[Finarfin]] and turned into Finarfin's grandson instead. Also, most people think [[Finwë]] had three children, all sons; [[Fëanor]] by his first wife [[Míriel]], and [[Fingolfin]] and [[Finarfin]] by [[Indis]]. However, this is incorrect, since he also had two daughters, [[Findis]] and [[Írimë]], by his second wife (Findis was in fact Finwë's first child by Indis), thus Finwë had five children. If the published ''Silmarillion'' is taken as canon all later material must be discarded, but if the later writings by Tolkien are taken as canon the ''Silmarillion'' must be rewritten, a task which Christopher Tolkien had stated he would not do as he was then retired. So we are left with a ''[[Quenta Silmarillion]]'' which contradicts the original author's intentions in some minor details, but which is the only authoritative narrative in existence for most of the stories and narratives which remain unaltered. The latter third of the ''Quenta Silmarillion'' in particular was never rewritten by Tolkien as a whole after the early narrative of his youth.

===''The Hobbit''===
A further problem is reconciling ''The Hobbit'' with ''The Lord of the Rings''. In 1947, Tolkien suggested to his publisher, [[Allen and Unwin|George Allen & Unwin]], that ''The Hobbit'' required revision to make it more consistent with the then nearly finished sequel. In 1950, Tolkien was surprised to be informed that the publisher had incorporated his 1947 suggestions into a new edition of ''The Hobbit''. When he received the proofs for this update he subsequently altered some of the as-yet unpublished material in ''The Lord of the Rings'' to more fully conform to the changes Allen & Unwin had made to ''The Hobbit''.

Among inconsistencies which survived into the second edition, [[Bilbo Baggins|Bilbo]] and the [[Dwarves]] took far too long to reach [[Rivendell]] when a map from ''The Lord of the Rings'' was used to gauge the distance, which can only be explained with great difficulty if at all. There are additional problems as well, such as the exact location of the [[Trolls|Troll]] encounter. When he began writing ''The Hobbit'' Tolkien did not intend for it to be part of his Middle-earth mythology, but was simply populating an imaginary landscape with characters and locations for a children's adventure story. Nonetheless, for his own amusement, Tolkien borrowed several references to his unpublished mythology to give the story a sense of depth. Thus Gandalf and [[Thorin]] wield swords from [[Gondolin]], and [[Elrond]], ruler of Rivendell, is [[Half-elven]].

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==External links==
*{{WP|Middle-earth canon}}
*[http://tolkien.slimy.com/essays/TolkParish.html Essay on Tolkienian canon] by Steuard Jensen
**[http://tolkien.slimy.com/publist.html List of Middle-earth books] with notes about suggested canonicity (part of the above site)
*"[http://middle-earth.xenite.org/2012/04/26/a-funny-thing-happened-on-the-way-to-the-canon/ A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Canon]" by [[Michael Martinez]]
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Canon

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'''Canon''' is a term to refer to consistent "absolute truth" in literature, religion and fiction, in contrast to apocryphal tales of "lesser" significance and value. Many sophisticated works of fiction have some canon that refers to the corpus of the officially-released works and aims to internal consistency. For a full definition, see [[Wikipedia:Canon (fiction)]].

It is difficult to speak of what is "true" in the context of [[J.R.R. Tolkien]]'s [[legendarium]], or which texts should be considered part of the '''canon'''.

==Publication history==

{{quote|...there are Tolkien's latest thoughts, his best thoughts, and his published thoughts and these are not necessarily the same.|''[[Tolkien's Legendarium|Tolkien's Legendarium: Essays on The History of Middle-earth]]''}}

There are various reasons that make the idea of a Tolkien canon problematic:

* Tolkien worked on Middle-earth over the course of decades, making substantial changes. Readers may remember, for example, the differences between ''The Hobbit'' and ''The Lord of the Rings'' with regard to [[Gandalf]] and the [[Elves]]. Moreover, toward the end of his life the focus of his writing shifted from pure storytelling to more philosophical concerns, which led to a considerable shift in tone and content.

* Tolkien's writing is laden with details and hints, which can be contradictory, especially in the posthumously published work. Such information should not take precedence over more explicit statements elsewhere, but it can help to flesh out our understanding of Middle-earth (even if it does at times add confusion). In general, the '''revised''' versions of ''The Hobbit'' and the ''Lord of the Rings'' are considered canon, but with ''The Silmarillion'' and other posthumous texts the matter is more complex.

* To add to the confusion, in some cases, Tolkien intentionally left some gaps in his works. In [[Letter 144]] he provided both an explanation and an example of this, writing that ''"even in a mythical Age there must be some enigmas, as there always are. [[Tom Bombadil]] is one (intentionally)."'' Giving an incomplete picture in this way can be frustrating, but it also makes the invented world feel more natural.

{{blockquote|I am doubtful myself about the undertaking. Part of the attraction of the [[The Lord of the Rings|L.R.]] is, I think, due to the glimpses of a large history in the background: an attraction like that of viewing far off an unvisited island, or seeing the towers of a distant city gleaming in a sunlit mist. To go there is to destroy the magic, unless new unattainable vistas are again revealed. Also many of the older legends are purely 'mythological', and nearly all are grim and tragic: a long account of the disasters that destroyed the beauty of the Ancient World, from the darkening of [[Valinor]] to the Downfall of [[Númenor]] and the flight of [[Elendil]].|[[Letter 257]], [[16 July]] [[1964]]}}

As only ''[[The Hobbit]]'', ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'', ''[[The Adventures of Tom Bombadil]]'', and ''[[The Road Goes Ever On (book)|The Road Goes Ever On]]'' were published during Tolkien's lifetime, and some argue only those works should be considered "true" canon with respect to Tolkien's publication history. Tolkien himself considered the published works as "fixed" and tried not to introduce new concepts that would contradict or alter them, while he continued to revise some unpublished material for most of his life. However, Tolkien's publication history was complicated, and was not related to his views on canon.

''The Hobbit'' was revised twice, and ''The Lord of The Rings'' once. The reasons for the revisions to 1950 revised edition of ''The Hobbit'' were not related to canonicity, but instead were designed to make the book more consistent with ''The Lord of the Rings''. When The Hobbit was first published in the 1930s, Tolkien had not been planning to write the later work, and so some details were inconsistent. The ring that Bilbo obtained, for example was not related to Sauron in the original edition. It was simply a magic ring that could make the wearer invisible. In anticipation of the publication of its sequel, Tolkien had to rewrite parts of ''The Hobbit'' to make it consistent with ''The Lord of the Rings.''

In Tolkien's commentary in the Appendices of ''The Lord of The Rings'', where he presented the work itself as being a [[Red Book of Westmarch|translation of mythology]] written down ''in'' the world of Arda, subject to errors and other inaccuracies of those fictional characters who "wrote" the material Tolkien is "translating." Similarly, ''The Hobbit'' is said to be a translation of a memoir written by Bilbo Baggins, and it is commonly thought that a degree of unreliable narration is intentionally presented at different parts of the story. This particular element was added by Tolkien to provide an in-universe explanation for the inconsistencies between the first edition of ''The Hobbit'' and later editions.

It is worth noting tha the term "mythology" or "legends" as used by Tolkien in reference to his work does '''not''' mean it shouldn't be considered a formal part of canon or inherently unreliable. Tolkien concieved of all of his writing as part of a vast "mythology" which he had originally intended to replace the lost myths and legends of his homeland of England. As time went on, he abandoned the idea of writing a mythology for England and instead came to see his work as a vast corpus of mythology, stories, history and legends for his own invented world. As a result of this, all his writings relating to Middle-Earth are known collectively as ''The Legendarium''.

[[Christopher Tolkien]] kept as closely as possible to the material his father wrote when ''[[The Silmarillion]]'' was published, and stated he had kept it as consistent as possible because his father considered the account of the forging of the Rings and the Downfall of Númenor to be "essential background to The Hobbit and its sequel" <ref name=":0">Letter 131 to Milton Waldman- Unknown Date, 1951 </ref>

J.R.R Tolkien also left a comprehensive and detailed summary of ''The Silmarillion'' which we wrote in Letter 131 to his friend Milton Waldman, and this reveals that the version published by Christopher is largely unchanged in its major details and events.

{{Blockquote|The cycles begin with a cosmogonical myth: the Music of the Ainur. God and the Valar (or powers: Englished as gods) are revealed.

It moves then swiftly to the History of the Elves, or the Silmarillion proper; to the world as we perceive it, but of course transfigured in a still half-mythical mode: that is it deals with rationalincarnate creatures of more or less comparable stature with our own. The Knowledge of theCreation Drama was incomplete: incomplete in each individual 'god', and incomplete if all theknowledge of the pantheon were pooled. For (partly to redress the evil of the rebel Melkor, partly for the completion of all in an ultimate finesse of detail) the Creator had not revealed all.

So, proceeding, the Elves have a fall, before their 'history' can become storial. (The first fall of Man, for reasons explained, nowhere appears – Men do not come on the stage until all that is long past, and there is only a rumour that for a while they fell under the domination of the Enemy and that some repented.) The main body of the tale, the Silmarillion proper, is about the fall of the most gifted kindred of the Elves, their exile from Valinor (a kind of Paradise, the home of the Gods) in the furthest West, their re-entry into Middle-earth, the land of their birth but long under the rule of the Enemy, and their strife with him, the power of Evil still visibly incarnate. It receives its name because the events are all threaded upon the fate and significance of the Silmarilli ('radiance of pure light') or Primeval Jewels.

The chief of the stories of the Silmarillion, and the one most fully treated is the Story of Beren and Lúthien the Elfmaiden.There are other stories almost equally full in treatment, and equally independent and yet linked to the general history. There is the Children of Húrin, the tragic tale of Túrin Turambar and his sister Níniel ...

There is the Fall of Gondolin: the chief Elvish stronghold. And the tale, or tales, of Earendil the Wanderer. He is important as the person who brings the Silmarillion to its end, and as providing in his offspring the main links to and persons in the tales of later Ages.

The next cycle deals (or would deal) with the Second Age. But it is on Earth a dark age, and not very much of its history is (or need be) told. In the great battles against the First Enemy the lands were broken and ruined, and the West of Middle-earth became desolate. We learn that the Exiled Elves were, if not commanded, at least sternly counselled to return into the West, and there be at peace. They were not to dwell permanently in Valinor again, but in the Lonely Isle of Eresseëa within sight of the Blessed Realm. The Men of the Three Houses were rewarded for their valour and faithful alliance, by being allowed to dwell 'western-most of all mortals', in the great 'Atlantis' isle of Númenóre.

The Elves of Eregion made Three supremely beautiful and powerful rings, almost solely of their own imagination, and directed to the preservation of beauty:
But secretly in the subterranean Fire, in his own Black Land, Sauron made One Ring, the Ruling Ring that contained the powers of all the others, and controlled them, so that its wearer could see the thoughts of all those that used the lesser rings, could govern all that they did, and in the end could utterly enslave them.

He reckoned, however, without the wisdom and subtle perceptions of
the Elves. The moment he assumed the One, they were aware of it, and of his secret purpose, andwere afraid. They hid the Three Rings, so that not even Sauron ever discovered where they were and they remained unsullied. The others they tried to destroy.
In the resulting war between Sauron and the Elves Middle-earth, especially in the west, was further ruined.

The Downfall of
Númenor, the Second Fall of Man , brings on the catastrophic end, not only of the Second Age, but of the Old World, the primeval world of legend (envisaged as flat and bounded).
So the end of the Second Age draws on in a major catastrophe; but it is not yet quite concluded.

The Second Age ends with the Last Alliance (of Elves and Men), and the great siege of Mordor.
It ends with the overthrow of Sauron and destruction of the second visible incarnation of evil. But at a cost, and with one disastrous mistake. Gilgalad and Elendil are slain in the act of slaying Sauron. Isildur, Elendil's son, cuts die ring from Sauron's hand, and his power departs, and his spirit flees into the shadows.
But the evil begins to work. Isildur claims the Ring as his own, as 'the Weregild of his father', and refuses to cast it into the Fire nearby. He marches away, but is drowned in the Great River, and the Ring is lost, passing out of all knowledge. But it is not unmade, and the Dark Tower built with its aid still stands, empty but not destroyed. So ends the Second Age with the coming of the Númenórean realms and the passing of the last kingship of the High Elves|- Letter 131 to Milton Waldman- Unknown date probably 1951 }} Throughout his commentaries in ''[[The History of Middle-earth]]'', Christopher has pointed out any discrepancies between his editorial decisions and alterations and later additions or revisions his father intended to make to small details about people, places and things in the text. He pointed out where different versions existed, or changes had been made by his father.

The chapters in the published ''Silmarillion'' about the ruin of [[Doriath]] and the fall of [[Gondolin]], especially the former, were edited by Christopher Tolkien and [[Guy Gavriel Kay]], to fill in some gaps in the available draft material, and therefore may not represent J.R.R. Tolkien's own ideas about how those stories should have been be compiled and completed. ''The Fall of Gondolin'' was abandoned by J.R.R Tolkien and never finished, so Christopher and Kay had to complete it and write a proper ending.

''[[Unfinished Tales]]'' consists of essays and stories composed at various times. Many were written before the ''Lord of the Rings'' and some were written afterwards. Most were generally consistent with ''The Lord of the Rings'', although some of the stories were set in the First and Second Age and did not relate directly to ''The Lord of the Rings'' because they were written years before. Galadriel does not appear in any of the early versions of stories like ''The Children of Hurin'', for example, even though parts of it are set in Doriath because her character was not created until later.

The book contains a chapter entitled ''The History of Galadriel and Celeborn'', which chronicles Galadriel and Celeborn's movements in the Second Age as well as their involvement in some of the events of the First Age. There are different versions of some parts and events of the story. It also contains a secion on the nature of the Istari, and a details account of the battle of Gladden Fields. The differences between some differing versions of some of the material, especially relating to Galadriel and Celeborn does create some inconsistencies, but as a whole Unfinished Tales is consistent with Tolkien's finished work.

The various texts published in ''[[The History of Middle-earth]]'' date from all periods of Tolkien's life and generally exclude the more finished sections used for the published works.

Towards the end of his life, Tolkien described the tales of the ''[[Quenta Silmarillion]]'' as legends, chiefly those of Men but blended with those of the Sindar. As such the tales could contain a tradtions passed down through time of truth, embellished in literary tradition.<ref>{{L|325}}</ref><ref>{{PM|XI}}</ref><ref>{{PM|XIII}}</ref> Tolkien had, at several points suggested he the described the ''Lord of the Rings'' and ''The Hobbit'' in a similar way. Indeed, he considered everything he wrote to be set "body of myths" or set of legends, so the term "legend" should not be considered evidence that he didn't want ''The Silmarillion'' to be counted alongside the rest of his work. Since, as already stated, Tolkien considered parts of the ''The Silmarillion'' to be "essential background" to ''The Hobbit'' and ''The Lord of the Rings.''<ref name=":0" />

==Determining a priority==
When handling two or more inconsistent elements of Tolkien's Legendarium, there are at least two (sometimes overlapping, sometimes conflicting) rules of thumb according to which a Tolkienist can apply criticism and determine which is more valid over the other.
;Final intent
:This principle follows the axiom that Tolkien's Legendarium is a work that was revisioned towards maturity and refinement, therefore later ideas are more valid than earlier ones. For example, in one of his [[Last Writings]] (q.v.) near the end of his life, Tolkien wrote that the [[Blue Wizards]] played a big role in the [[East]]. This can be considered the "final word" on the matter, obsoleting an earlier idea (stated in [[Letter 211]]) that they fell like Saruman.
;Height intent
:This principle considers that by the writing of the ''Lord of the Rings'' the Legendarium had reached its peak of maturity. Afterwards, Tolkien's personal and unpublished writings presented a "decline" and were mainly experiments with philosophical matters of Arda, which sometimes contradicted the established works. These were eventually abandoned or left unfinished. Such concepts include the [[Round World version of the Silmarillion]], or the [[1960]] partial rewrite of ''The Hobbit''.

==Individual Issues==
===Gil-galad===
An example of the canon question is the lineage of [[Gil-galad]]. In the published ''Silmarillion'' he is said to be the son of [[Fingon]], but as disclosed in ''[[The War of the Jewels]]'' Tolkien considered many arrangements before apparently deciding that he was the son of [[Orodreth]], who would then also be displaced as a son of [[Finarfin]] and turned into Finarfin's grandson instead. Also, most people think [[Finwë]] had three children, all sons; [[Fëanor]] by his first wife [[Míriel]], and [[Fingolfin]] and [[Finarfin]] by [[Indis]]. However, this is incorrect, since he also had two daughters, [[Findis]] and [[Írimë]], by his second wife (Findis was in fact Finwë's first child by Indis), thus Finwë had five children. If the published ''Silmarillion'' is taken as canon all later material must be discarded, but if the later writings by Tolkien are taken as canon the ''Silmarillion'' must be rewritten, a task which Christopher Tolkien had stated he would not do as he was then retired. So we are left with a ''[[Quenta Silmarillion]]'' which contradicts the original author's intentions in some minor details, but which is the only authoritative narrative in existence for most of the stories and narratives which remain unaltered. The latter third of the ''Quenta Silmarillion'' in particular was never rewritten by Tolkien as a whole after the early narrative of his youth.

===''The Hobbit''===
A further problem is reconciling ''The Hobbit'' with ''The Lord of the Rings''. In 1947, Tolkien suggested to his publisher, [[Allen and Unwin|George Allen & Unwin]], that ''The Hobbit'' required revision to make it more consistent with the then nearly finished sequel. In 1950, Tolkien was surprised to be informed that the publisher had incorporated his 1947 suggestions into a new edition of ''The Hobbit''. When he received the proofs for this update he subsequently altered some of the as-yet unpublished material in ''The Lord of the Rings'' to more fully conform to the changes Allen & Unwin had made to ''The Hobbit''.

Among inconsistencies which survived into the second edition, [[Bilbo Baggins|Bilbo]] and the [[Dwarves]] took far too long to reach [[Rivendell]] when a map from ''The Lord of the Rings'' was used to gauge the distance, which can only be explained with great difficulty if at all. There are additional problems as well, such as the exact location of the [[Trolls|Troll]] encounter. When he began writing ''The Hobbit'' Tolkien did not intend for it to be part of his Middle-earth mythology, but was simply populating an imaginary landscape with characters and locations for a children's adventure story. Nonetheless, for his own amusement, Tolkien borrowed several references to his unpublished mythology to give the story a sense of depth. Thus Gandalf and [[Thorin]] wield swords from [[Gondolin]], and [[Elrond]], ruler of Rivendell, is [[Half-elven]].

{{references}}
==External links==
*{{WP|Middle-earth canon}}
*[http://tolkien.slimy.com/essays/TolkParish.html Essay on Tolkienian canon] by Steuard Jensen
**[http://tolkien.slimy.com/publist.html List of Middle-earth books] with notes about suggested canonicity (part of the above site)
*"[http://middle-earth.xenite.org/2012/04/26/a-funny-thing-happened-on-the-way-to-the-canon/ A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Canon]" by [[Michael Martinez]]
[[Category:Fandom]]

Round World version of the legendarium

2023-07-09T09:00:24Z

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[[File:Sage - Arda in the Third Age.png|right|250px]]
The '''Round World''' version is one of the variants of [[J.R.R. Tolkien]]'s [[legendarium]], published in the final volumes of ''[[The History of Middle-earth]]''. In this version, the setting of his legendarium is more scientifically and cosmologically realistic and less mythological: the Earth was always round, and [[Arda]] was the name for the whole solar system instead of just the Earth.

In the Round World version the [[Sun]] and the [[Moon]] were not the fruit of the [[Two Trees of Valinor|Two Trees]], but actually preceded their creation, and the [[Two Lamps]] which preceded them all in the Flat World cosmology had never truly existed and were instead a subject of Númenórean legend. The significance of the Trees and the [[Silmarils]] was that they preserved the light of the Sun before it was tainted by [[Morgoth|Melkor]] when he ravished [[Arien]]. The Moon in this tale was instead a remnant of the [[First War]] from a time when Melkor sought to destroy all the earth but could not succeed in his attempts, and the Moon is what broke away from Arda in the destruction. However, another tale from this cosmology tells that the Valar wrought the Moon out of the earth to counteract the night when Melkor was most active.

Similarly, the [[stars]] were not created with the [[Awakening of the Elves]], but the occluding clouds were removed to reveal them, and it wasn't Varda who kindled them, since her power was limited to Arda while the stars were set in [[Eä]].
==History==
Tolkien first experimented writing a round world version of the ''[[Ainulindalë_(Morgoth's_Ring)#Ainulindalë_C*|Ainulindalë]]'' and ''The Fall of Númenor'', in a time before the writing of ''[[The Return of the King]]''. In that draft of the ''Ainulindale'', the [[Sun]] already exists. Having sent both [[Ainulindalë_(Lost_Road)|the "Flat World"]] and the "Round World" versions to Katherine Ferrar in [[1948]], she replied that she preferred the old version better because "The hope of Heaven is the only thing which makes modern astronomy tolerable: otherwise there must be an East and a West and Walls: aims and choices and not an endless circle of wandering". Christopher Tolkien guesses that her commentary influenced his father to return to the flat-earth model, but he didn't totally abandon it.<ref>{{MR|P1f}}</ref><ref>{{SD|Drowning}}</ref>

The Round World mythology emerged again in writings between 1958-1960, but it was never developed beyond the stage of drafting and Tolkien didn't continue the revisions. Thus the Flat World version was chosen by [[Christopher Tolkien]] for the published ''[[The Silmarillion]]''.<ref>{{MR|Myths}}</ref>

Beside this, references to the seas being first "bent" after the Fall of Númenor, to the "Sunless Years", and to the trolls of the Twilight, survived in ''The Lord of the Rings''.<ref name="house">{{FR|Bombadil}}</ref><ref>{{App|Eriador}}</ref><ref>{{FR|Three}}</ref><ref>{{App|Other}}</ref> These may, however, be seen as allusions made by the characters and writers of the [[Red Book]] to the mythology those at the time of its writing. Towards the end of his life, Tolkien gave an explanation which affirmed the 'actual' (i.e. real world) truth of the Round World version without needing to rewrite the tales to reflect this.

It is important, however to distinguish between Tolkien's own beliefs about cosmology and geography, and the nature of his invented world. Tolkien himself did not believe the earth was flat, or had ever been so, but decided to create a fictional storyworld in which the earth had once been flat.

This existed as a 'fact' for the characters within his universe, without being an actual truth in the real world. Hence he referred to the the relevant parts of the ''[[Quenta Silmarillion]]'' covering the reshaping of the world as legends, chiefly those of Men but blended with those of the Sindar. The tales contain what was, in-universe, considered to be 'truth' without the need to be geologically or astronomically 'true' in the real world.<ref>{{L|325}}</ref><ref>{{PM|XI}}</ref><ref>{{PM|XIII}}</ref>

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[[Category:Concepts]]
[[Category:Cosmology]]

Round World version of the legendarium

2023-07-08T20:25:15Z

English Lady:

[[File:Sage - Arda in the Third Age.png|right|250px]]
The '''Round World''' version is one of the variants of [[J.R.R. Tolkien]]'s [[legendarium]], published in the final volumes of ''[[The History of Middle-earth]]''. In this version, the setting of his legendarium is more scientifically and cosmologically realistic and less mythological: the Earth was always round, and [[Arda]] was the name for the whole solar system instead of just the Earth.

In the Round World version the [[Sun]] and the [[Moon]] were not the fruit of the [[Two Trees of Valinor|Two Trees]], but actually preceded their creation, and the [[Two Lamps]] which preceded them all in the Flat World cosmology had never truly existed and were instead a subject of Númenórean legend. The significance of the Trees and the [[Silmarils]] was that they preserved the light of the Sun before it was tainted by [[Morgoth|Melkor]] when he ravished [[Arien]]. The Moon in this tale was instead a remnant of the [[First War]] from a time when Melkor sought to destroy all the earth but could not succeed in his attempts, and the Moon is what broke away from Arda in the destruction. However, another tale from this cosmology tells that the Valar wrought the Moon out of the earth to counteract the night when Melkor was most active.

Similarly, the [[stars]] were not created with the [[Awakening of the Elves]], but the occluding clouds were removed to reveal them, and it wasn't Varda who kindled them, since her power was limited to Arda while the stars were set in [[Eä]].
==History==
Tolkien first experimented writing a round world version of the ''[[Ainulindalë_(Morgoth's_Ring)#Ainulindalë_C*|Ainulindalë]]'' and ''The Fall of Númenor'', in a time before the writing of ''[[The Return of the King]]''. In that draft of the ''Ainulindale'', the [[Sun]] already exists. Having sent both [[Ainulindalë_(Lost_Road)|the "Flat World"]] and the "Round World" versions to Katherine Ferrar in [[1948]], she replied that she preferred the old version better because "The hope of Heaven is the only thing which makes modern astronomy tolerable: otherwise there must be an East and a West and Walls: aims and choices and not an endless circle of wandering". Christopher Tolkien guesses that her commentary influenced his father to return to the flat-earth model, but he didn't totally abandon it.<ref>{{MR|P1f}}</ref><ref>{{SD|Drowning}}</ref>

The Round World mythology emerged again in writings between 1958-1960, but it was never developed beyond the stage of drafting and Tolkien didn't continue the revisions. Thus the Flat World version was chosen by [[Christopher Tolkien]] for the published ''[[The Silmarillion]]''.<ref>{{MR|Myths}}</ref>

Beside this, references to the seas being first "bent" after the Fall of Númenor, to the "Sunless Years", and to the trolls of the Twilight, survived in ''The Lord of the Rings''.<ref name="house">{{FR|Bombadil}}</ref><ref>{{App|Eriador}}</ref><ref>{{FR|Three}}</ref><ref>{{App|Other}}</ref> These may, however, be seen as allusions made by the characters and writers of the [[Red Book]] to the mythology those at the time of its writing would have been familiar with rather than dogmatic truths of the history of Arda.

Towards the end of his life, Tolkien gave an explanation which affirmed the 'actual' (i.e. real world) truth of the Round World version without needing to rewrite the tales to reflect this underlying reality. He referred to the the relevant parts of the ''[[Quenta Silmarillion]]'' covering the reshaping of the world as legends, chiefly those of Men but blended with those of the Sindar. As such the tales contain a germ of truth, embellished in literary tradition, without the need to be "geologically or astronomically 'true' in the real world.<ref>{{L|325}}</ref><ref>{{PM|XI}}</ref><ref>{{PM|XIII}}</ref>

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[[Category:Concepts]]
[[Category:Cosmology]]

Round World version of the legendarium

2023-07-08T20:23:26Z

English Lady: /* History */

[[File:Sage - Arda in the Third Age.png|right|250px]]
The '''Round World''' version is one of the variants of [[J.R.R. Tolkien]]'s [[legendarium]], published in the final volumes of ''[[The History of Middle-earth]]''. In this version, the setting of his legendarium is more realistic and less mythological: the Earth was always round, and [[Arda]] was the name for the whole solar system instead of just the Earth.

In the Round World version the [[Sun]] and the [[Moon]] were not the fruit of the [[Two Trees of Valinor|Two Trees]], but actually preceded their creation, and the [[Two Lamps]] which preceded them all in the Flat World cosmology had never truly existed and were instead a subject of Númenórean legend. The significance of the Trees and the [[Silmarils]] was that they preserved the light of the Sun before it was tainted by [[Morgoth|Melkor]] when he ravished [[Arien]]. The Moon in this tale was instead a remnant of the [[First War]] from a time when Melkor sought to destroy all the earth but could not succeed in his attempts, and the Moon is what broke away from Arda in the destruction. However, another tale from this cosmology tells that the Valar wrought the Moon out of the earth to counteract the night when Melkor was most active.

Similarly, the [[stars]] were not created with the [[Awakening of the Elves]], but the occluding clouds were removed to reveal them, and it wasn't Varda who kindled them, since her power was limited to Arda while the stars were set in [[Eä]].
==History==
Tolkien first experimented writing a round world version of the ''[[Ainulindalë_(Morgoth's_Ring)#Ainulindalë_C*|Ainulindalë]]'' and ''The Fall of Númenor'', in a time before the writing of ''[[The Return of the King]]''. In that draft of the ''Ainulindale'', the [[Sun]] already exists. Having sent both [[Ainulindalë_(Lost_Road)|the "Flat World"]] and the "Round World" versions to Katherine Ferrar in [[1948]], she replied that she preferred the old version better because "The hope of Heaven is the only thing which makes modern astronomy tolerable: otherwise there must be an East and a West and Walls: aims and choices and not an endless circle of wandering". Christopher Tolkien guesses that her commentary influenced his father to return to the flat-earth model, but he didn't totally abandon it.<ref>{{MR|P1f}}</ref><ref>{{SD|Drowning}}</ref>

The Round World mythology emerged again in writings between 1958-1960, but it was never developed beyond the stage of drafting and Tolkien didn't continue the revisions. Thus the Flat World version was chosen by [[Christopher Tolkien]] for the published ''[[The Silmarillion]]''.<ref>{{MR|Myths}}</ref>

Beside this, references to the seas being first "bent" after the Fall of Númenor, to the "Sunless Years", and to the trolls of the Twilight, survived in ''The Lord of the Rings''.<ref name="house">{{FR|Bombadil}}</ref><ref>{{App|Eriador}}</ref><ref>{{FR|Three}}</ref><ref>{{App|Other}}</ref> These may, however, be seen as allusions made by the characters and writers of the [[Red Book]] to the mythology those at the time of its writing would have been familiar with rather than dogmatic truths of the history of Arda.

Towards the end of his life, Tolkien gave an explanation which affirmed the 'actual' (i.e. real world) truth of the Round World version without needing to rewrite the tales to reflect this underlying reality. He referred to the the relevant parts of the ''[[Quenta Silmarillion]]'' covering the reshaping of the world as legends, chiefly those of Men but blended with those of the Sindar. As such the tales contain a germ of truth, embellished in literary tradition, without the need to be "geologically or astronomically 'true' in the real world.<ref>{{L|325}}</ref><ref>{{PM|XI}}</ref><ref>{{PM|XIII}}</ref>

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[[Category:Cosmology]]

Round World version of the legendarium

2023-07-08T20:22:11Z

English Lady: clarity and grammar

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The '''Round World''' version is one of the variants of [[J.R.R. Tolkien]]'s [[legendarium]], published in the final volumes of ''[[The History of Middle-earth]]''. In this version, the setting of his legendarium is more realistic and less mythological: the Earth was always round, and [[Arda]] was the name for the whole solar system instead of just the Earth.

In the Round World version the [[Sun]] and the [[Moon]] were not the fruit of the [[Two Trees of Valinor|Two Trees]], but actually preceded their creation, and the [[Two Lamps]] which preceded them all in the Flat World cosmology had never truly existed and were instead a subject of Númenórean legend. The significance of the Trees and the [[Silmarils]] was that they preserved the light of the Sun before it was tainted by [[Morgoth|Melkor]] when he ravished [[Arien]]. The Moon in this tale was instead a remnant of the [[First War]] from a time when Melkor sought to destroy all the earth but could not succeed in his attempts, and the Moon is what broke away from Arda in the destruction. However, another tale from this cosmology tells that the Valar wrought the Moon out of the earth to counteract the night when Melkor was most active.

Similarly, the [[stars]] were not created with the [[Awakening of the Elves]], but the occluding clouds were removed to reveal them, and it wasn't Varda who kindled them, since her power was limited to Arda while the stars were set in [[Eä]].
==History==
Tolkien first experimented writing a round world version of the ''[[Ainulindalë_(Morgoth's_Ring)#Ainulindalë_C*|Ainulindalë]]'' and ''The Fall of Númenor'', in a time before the writing of ''[[The Return of the King]]''. In that draft of the ''Ainulindale'', the [[Sun]] already exists. Having sent both [[Ainulindalë_(Lost_Road)|the "Flat World"]] and the "Round World" versions to Katherine Ferrar in [[1948]], she replied that she preferred the old version better because "The hope of Heaven is the only thing which makes modern astronomy tolerable: otherwise there must be an East and a West and Walls: aims and choices and not an endless circle of wandering". Christopher Tolkien guesses that her commentary influenced his father to return to the flat-earth model, but he didn't totally abandon it.<ref>{{MR|P1f}}</ref><ref>{{SD|Drowning}}</ref>

The Round World mythology emerged again in writings between 1958-1960, but it was never developed beyond the stage of drafting and Tolkien didn't continue the revisions. Thus the Flat World version was chosen by [[Christopher Tolkien]] for the published ''[[The Silmarillion]]''.<ref>{{MR|Myths}}</ref>

Beside this, references to the seas being first "bent" after the Fall of Númenor, to the "Sunless Years", and to the trolls of the Twilight, survived in ''The Lord of the Rings''.<ref name="house">{{FR|Bombadil}}</ref><ref>{{App|Eriador}}</ref><ref>{{FR|Three}}</ref><ref>{{App|Other}}</ref> These may, however, be seen as allusions made by the characters and writers of the [[Red Book]] to the mythology those at the time of its writing would have been familiar with rather than dogmatic truths of the history of Arda.

Towards the end of his life, Tolkien gave an explanation which affirmed the 'actual' (i.e. real world) truth of the Round World version without needing to rewrite the tales to reflect this underlying reality. He referred to the the relevant parts of the ''[[Quenta Silmarillion]]'' covering the reshaping of the world as legends, chiefly those of Men but blended with those of the Sindar. As such the tales contain a germ of truth, embellished in literary tradition, without the need to be "geologically or astronomically 'true' to what was known of the real world.<ref>{{L|325}}</ref><ref>{{PM|XI}}</ref><ref>{{PM|XIII}}</ref>

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[[Category:Concepts]]
[[Category:Cosmology]]

Canon

2023-07-08T20:17:33Z

English Lady: A couple of references cleared up

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[[File:Donato Giancola - J.R.R.Tolkien Portrait.jpg|thumb|''J.R.R.Tolkien'' by [[Donato Giancola]]]]
'''Canon''' is a term to refer to consistent "absolute truth" in literature, religion and fiction, in contrast to apocryphal tales of "lesser" significance and value. Many sophisticated works of fiction have some canon that refers to the corpus of the officially-released works and aims to internal consistency. For a full definition, see [[Wikipedia:Canon (fiction)]].

It is difficult to speak of what is "true" in the context of [[J.R.R. Tolkien]]'s [[legendarium]], or which texts should be considered part of the '''canon'''.

==Publication history==

{{quote|...there are Tolkien's latest thoughts, his best thoughts, and his published thoughts and these are not necessarily the same.|''[[Tolkien's Legendarium|Tolkien's Legendarium: Essays on The History of Middle-earth]]''}}

There are various reasons that make the idea of a Tolkien canon problematic:

* Tolkien worked on Middle-earth over the course of decades, making substantial changes. Readers may remember, for example, the differences between ''The Hobbit'' and ''The Lord of the Rings'' with regard to [[Gandalf]] and the [[Elves]]. Moreover, toward the end of his life the focus of his writing shifted from pure storytelling to more philosophical concerns, which led to a considerable shift in tone and content.

* Tolkien's writing is laden with details and hints, which can be contradictory, especially in the posthumously published work. Such information should not take precedence over more explicit statements elsewhere, but it can help to flesh out our understanding of Middle-earth (even if it does at times add confusion). In general, the '''revised''' versions of ''The Hobbit'' and the ''Lord of the Rings'' are considered canon, but with ''The Silmarillion'' and other posthumous texts the matter is more complex.

* To add to the confusion, in some cases, Tolkien intentionally left some gaps in his works. In [[Letter 144]] he provided both an explanation and an example of this, writing that ''"even in a mythical Age there must be some enigmas, as there always are. [[Tom Bombadil]] is one (intentionally)."'' Giving an incomplete picture in this way can be frustrating, but it also makes the invented world feel more natural.

{{blockquote|I am doubtful myself about the undertaking. Part of the attraction of the [[The Lord of the Rings|L.R.]] is, I think, due to the glimpses of a large history in the background: an attraction like that of viewing far off an unvisited island, or seeing the towers of a distant city gleaming in a sunlit mist. To go there is to destroy the magic, unless new unattainable vistas are again revealed. Also many of the older legends are purely 'mythological', and nearly all are grim and tragic: a long account of the disasters that destroyed the beauty of the Ancient World, from the darkening of [[Valinor]] to the Downfall of [[Númenor]] and the flight of [[Elendil]].|[[Letter 257]], [[16 July]] [[1964]]}}

As only ''[[The Hobbit]]'', ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'', ''[[The Adventures of Tom Bombadil]]'', and ''[[The Road Goes Ever On (book)|The Road Goes Ever On]]'' were published during Tolkien's lifetime, only those works should be considered "true" canon with respect to Tolkien's publication history. Tolkien himself considered the published works as "fixed" and tried not to introduce new concepts that would contradict or alter them, while elements he left unpublished, he continued to experiment on.

But ''The Hobbit'' was revised twice, and ''The Lord of The Rings'' once. There is no general consistency across all of these books, although the most agreement between sources may be found with the second (1950) edition of The Hobbit, the first (1954-5) edition of ''The Lord of The Rings'', and ''The Adventures of Tom Bombadil'' and ''The Road Goes Ever On''. Further complicating matters is Tolkien's commentary in the Appendices of ''The Lord of The Rings'', where he posits the work itself as being a [[Red Book of Westmarch|translation of mythology]] written down ''in'' the world of Arda, subject to errors and other inaccuracies of those fictional characters who "wrote" the material Tolkien is "translating." Similarly, ''The Hobbit'' is said to be a translation of a memoir written by Bilbo Baggins, and it is commonly thought that a degree of unreliable narration is intentionally presented at different parts of the story.

[[Christopher Tolkien]] kept as closely as possible to the material his father wrote when ''[[The Silmarillion]]'' was published, and stated he had kept it as consistent as possible because his father considered the account of the forging of the Rings and the Downfall of Númenor to be "essential background to The Hobbit and its sequel" <ref name=":0">Letter 131 to Milton Waldman- Unknown Date, 1951 </ref>

J.R.R Tolkien also left a comprehensive and detailed summary of ''The Silmarillion'' which we wrote in Letter 131 to Milton Waldman, and this reveals that the version published by Christopher is largely unchanged in its major details and events.

{{Blockquote|The cycles begin with a cosmogonical myth: the Music of the Ainur. God and the Valar (or powers: Englished as gods) are revealed.

It moves then swiftly to the History of the Elves, or the Silmarillion proper; to the world as we perceive it, but of course transfigured in a still half-mythical mode: that is it deals with rationalincarnate creatures of more or less comparable stature with our own. The Knowledge of theCreation Drama was incomplete: incomplete in each individual 'god', and incomplete if all theknowledge of the pantheon were pooled. For (partly to redress the evil of the rebel Melkor, partly for the completion of all in an ultimate finesse of detail) the Creator had not revealed all.

So, proceeding, the Elves have a fall, before their 'history' can become storial. (The first fall of Man, for reasons explained, nowhere appears – Men do not come on the stage until all that is long past, and there is only a rumour that for a while they fell under the domination of the Enemy and that some repented.) The main body of the tale, the Silmarillion proper, is about the fall of the most gifted kindred of the Elves, their exile from Valinor (a kind of Paradise, the home of the Gods) in the furthest West, their re-entry into Middle-earth, the land of their birth but long under the rule of the Enemy, and their strife with him, the power of Evil still visibly incarnate. It receives its name because the events are all threaded upon the fate and significance of the Silmarilli ('radiance of pure light') or Primeval Jewels.

The chief of the stories of the Silmarillion, and the one most fully treated is the Story of Beren and Lúthien the Elfmaiden.There are other stories almost equally full in treatment, and equally independent and yet linked to the general history. There is the Children of Húrin, the tragic tale of Túrin Turambar and his sister Níniel ...

There is the Fall of Gondolin: the chief Elvish stronghold. And the tale, or tales, of Earendil the Wanderer. He is important as the person who brings the Silmarillion to its end, and as providing in his offspring the main links to and persons in the tales of later Ages.

The next cycle deals (or would deal) with the Second Age. But it is on Earth a dark age, and not very much of its history is (or need be) told. In the great battles against the First Enemy the lands were broken and ruined, and the West of Middle-earth became desolate. We learn that the Exiled Elves were, if not commanded, at least sternly counselled to return into the West, and there be at peace. They were not to dwell permanently in Valinor again, but in the Lonely Isle of Eresseëa within sight of the Blessed Realm. The Men of the Three Houses were rewarded for their valour and faithful alliance, by being allowed to dwell 'western-most of all mortals', in the great 'Atlantis' isle of Númenóre.

The Elves of Eregion made Three supremely beautiful and powerful rings, almost solely of their own imagination, and directed to the preservation of beauty:
But secretly in the subterranean Fire, in his own Black Land, Sauron made One Ring, the Ruling Ring that contained the powers of all the others, and controlled them, so that its wearer could see the thoughts of all those that used the lesser rings, could govern all that they did, and in the end could utterly enslave them.

He reckoned, however, without the wisdom and subtle perceptions of
the Elves. The moment he assumed the One, they were aware of it, and of his secret purpose, andwere afraid. They hid the Three Rings, so that not even Sauron ever discovered where they were and they remained unsullied. The others they tried to destroy.
In the resulting war between Sauron and the Elves Middle-earth, especially in the west, was further ruined.

The Downfall of
Númenor, the Second Fall of Man , brings on the catastrophic end, not only of the Second Age, but of the Old World, the primeval world of legend (envisaged as flat and bounded).
So the end of the Second Age draws on in a major catastrophe; but it is not yet quite concluded.

The Second Age ends with the Last Alliance (of Elves and Men), and the great siege of Mordor.
It ends with the overthrow of Sauron and destruction of the second visible incarnation of evil. But at a cost, and with one disastrous mistake. Gilgalad and Elendil are slain in the act of slaying Sauron. Isildur, Elendil's son, cuts die ring from Sauron's hand, and his power departs, and his spirit flees into the shadows.
But the evil begins to work. Isildur claims the Ring as his own, as 'the Weregild of his father', and refuses to cast it into the Fire nearby. He marches away, but is drowned in the Great River, and the Ring is lost, passing out of all knowledge. But it is not unmade, and the Dark Tower built with its aid still stands, empty but not destroyed. So ends the Second Age with the coming of the Númenórean realms and the passing of the last kingship of the High Elves|- Letter 131 to Milton Waldman- Unknown date probably 1951 }} Throughout his commentaries in ''[[The History of Middle-earth]]'', Christopher has pointed out many discrepancies between his final editorial selections and alterations and what he believed were later additions or revisions his father intended to make to small details about people, places and things in the text.

The chapters in the published ''Silmarillion'' about the ruin of [[Doriath]] and the fall of [[Gondolin]], especially the former, were edited by Christopher Tolkien and [[Guy Gavriel Kay]], to fill in gaps in the available story, and therefore may not represent J.R.R. Tolkien's own ideas about how those stories should be handled.

''[[Unfinished Tales]]'' consists of essays and stories composed after ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'' which were generally consistent with The Lord of the Rings. The book reveals parallel traditions regarding the history of Galadriel and Celeborn, the nature of the [[Istari]], and a few minor sub-plots. Regardless of whether one views the work as canon or not, readers must bear in mind the fact that no true consistency exists between these unfinished tales and the earlier works.

The various texts published in ''[[The History of Middle-earth]]'' date from all periods of Tolkien's life and generally exclude the more finished sections used for the published works.

Towards the end of his life, Tolkien described the tales of the ''[[Quenta Silmarillion]]'' as legends, chiefly those of Men but blended with those of the Sindar, rather than as the bona fide histories of Arda. As such the tales could contain a germ of truth, embellished in literary tradition, without the need to be completely accurate or factual information.<ref>{{L|325}}</ref><ref>{{PM|XI}}</ref><ref>{{PM|XIII}}</ref> Tolkien had, at several points suggested he the described the ''Lord of the Rings'' and ''The Hobbit'' in a similar way. Indeed, he considered everything he wrote to be set "body of myths" or set of legends, so the term "legend" should not be considered evidence that he didn't want ''The Silmarillion'' to be counted alongside the rest of his work. Since, as already stated, Tolkien considered parts of the ''The Silmarillion'' to be "essential background" to ''The Hobbit'' and ''The Lord of the Rings.''<ref name=":0" />

==Determining a priority==
When handling two or more inconsistent elements of Tolkien's Legendarium, there are at least two (sometimes overlapping, sometimes conflicting) rules of thumb according to which a Tolkienist can apply criticism and determine which is more valid over the other.
;Final intent
:This principle follows the axiom that Tolkien's Legendarium is a work that was revisioned towards maturity and refinement, therefore later ideas are more valid than earlier ones. For example, in one of his [[Last Writings]] (q.v.) near the end of his life, Tolkien wrote that the [[Blue Wizards]] played a big role in the [[East]]. This can be considered the "final word" on the matter, obsoleting an earlier idea (stated in [[Letter 211]]) that they fell like Saruman.
;Height intent
:This principle considers that by the writing of the ''Lord of the Rings'' the Legendarium had reached its peak of maturity. Afterwards, Tolkien's personal and unpublished writings presented a "decline" and were mainly experiments with philosophical matters of Arda, which sometimes contradicted the established works. These were eventually abandoned or left unfinished. Such concepts include the [[Round World version of the Silmarillion]], or the [[1960]] partial rewrite of ''The Hobbit''.

==Individual Issues==
===Gil-galad===
An example of the canon question is the lineage of [[Gil-galad]]. In the published ''Silmarillion'' he is said to be the son of [[Fingon]], but as disclosed in ''[[The War of the Jewels]]'' Tolkien considered many arrangements before apparently deciding that he was the son of [[Orodreth]], who would then also be displaced as a son of [[Finarfin]] and turned into Finarfin's grandson instead. Also, most people think [[Finwë]] had three children, all sons; [[Fëanor]] by his first wife [[Míriel]], and [[Fingolfin]] and [[Finarfin]] by [[Indis]]. However, this is incorrect, since he also had two daughters, [[Findis]] and [[Írimë]], by his second wife (Findis was in fact Finwë's first child by Indis), thus Finwë had five children. If the published ''Silmarillion'' is taken as canon all later material must be discarded, but if the later writings by Tolkien are taken as canon the ''Silmarillion'' must be rewritten, a task which Christopher Tolkien had stated he would not do as he was then retired. So we are left with a ''[[Quenta Silmarillion]]'' which contradicts the original author's intentions, but which is the only authoritative narrative in existence for most of the traditions. The latter third of the ''Quenta Silmarillion'' in particular was never rewritten by Tolkien as a whole after the early narrative of his youth.

===''The Hobbit''===
A further problem is reconciling ''The Hobbit'' with ''The Lord of the Rings''. In 1947, Tolkien suggested to his publisher, [[Allen and Unwin|George Allen & Unwin]], that ''The Hobbit'' required revision to make it more consistent with the then nearly finished sequel. In 1950, Tolkien was surprised to be informed that the publisher had incorporated his 1947 suggestions into a new edition of ''The Hobbit''. When he received the proofs for this update he subsequently altered some of the as-yet unpublished material in ''The Lord of the Rings'' to more fully conform to the changes Allen & Unwin had made to ''The Hobbit''.

Among inconsistencies which survived into the second edition, [[Bilbo Baggins|Bilbo]] and the [[Dwarves]] took far too long to reach [[Rivendell]] when a map from ''The Lord of the Rings'' was used to gauge the distance, which can only be explained with great difficulty if at all. There are additional problems as well, such as the exact location of the [[Trolls|Troll]] encounter. When he began writing ''The Hobbit'' Tolkien did not intend for it to be part of his Middle-earth mythology, but was simply populating an imaginary landscape with characters and locations for a children's adventure story. Nonetheless, for his own amusement, Tolkien borrowed several references to his unpublished mythology to give the story a sense of depth. Thus Gandalf and [[Thorin]] wield swords from [[Gondolin]], and [[Elrond]], ruler of Rivendell, is [[Half-elven]].

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==External links==
*{{WP|Middle-earth canon}}
*[http://tolkien.slimy.com/essays/TolkParish.html Essay on Tolkienian canon] by Steuard Jensen
**[http://tolkien.slimy.com/publist.html List of Middle-earth books] with notes about suggested canonicity (part of the above site)
*"[http://middle-earth.xenite.org/2012/04/26/a-funny-thing-happened-on-the-way-to-the-canon/ A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Canon]" by [[Michael Martinez]]
[[Category:Fandom]]

Canon

2023-07-08T20:05:45Z

English Lady:

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{{disambig-two|the general concept of canon regarding Tolkien's work|Tolkien Gateway policy page|[[Tolkien Gateway:Canon policy]]}}
[[File:Donato Giancola - J.R.R.Tolkien Portrait.jpg|thumb|''J.R.R.Tolkien'' by [[Donato Giancola]]]]
'''Canon''' is a term to refer to consistent "absolute truth" in literature, religion and fiction, in contrast to apocryphal tales of "lesser" significance and value. Many sophisticated works of fiction have some canon that refers to the corpus of the officially-released works and aims to internal consistency. For a full definition, see [[Wikipedia:Canon (fiction)]].

It is difficult to speak of what is "true" in the context of [[J.R.R. Tolkien]]'s [[legendarium]], or which texts should be considered part of the '''canon'''.

==Publication history==

{{quote|...there are Tolkien's latest thoughts, his best thoughts, and his published thoughts and these are not necessarily the same.|''[[Tolkien's Legendarium|Tolkien's Legendarium: Essays on The History of Middle-earth]]''}}

There are various reasons that make the idea of a Tolkien canon problematic:

* Tolkien worked on Middle-earth over the course of decades, making substantial changes. Readers may remember, for example, the differences between ''The Hobbit'' and ''The Lord of the Rings'' with regard to [[Gandalf]] and the [[Elves]]. Moreover, toward the end of his life the focus of his writing shifted from pure storytelling to more philosophical concerns, which led to a considerable shift in tone and content.

* Tolkien's writing is laden with details and hints, which can be contradictory, especially in the posthumously published work. Such information should not take precedence over more explicit statements elsewhere, but it can help to flesh out our understanding of Middle-earth (even if it does at times add confusion). In general, the '''revised''' versions of ''The Hobbit'' and the ''Lord of the Rings'' are considered canon, but with ''The Silmarillion'' and other posthumous texts the matter is more complex.

* To add to the confusion, in some cases, Tolkien intentionally left some gaps in his works. In [[Letter 144]] he provided both an explanation and an example of this, writing that ''"even in a mythical Age there must be some enigmas, as there always are. [[Tom Bombadil]] is one (intentionally)."'' Giving an incomplete picture in this way can be frustrating, but it also makes the invented world feel more natural.

{{blockquote|I am doubtful myself about the undertaking. Part of the attraction of the [[The Lord of the Rings|L.R.]] is, I think, due to the glimpses of a large history in the background: an attraction like that of viewing far off an unvisited island, or seeing the towers of a distant city gleaming in a sunlit mist. To go there is to destroy the magic, unless new unattainable vistas are again revealed. Also many of the older legends are purely 'mythological', and nearly all are grim and tragic: a long account of the disasters that destroyed the beauty of the Ancient World, from the darkening of [[Valinor]] to the Downfall of [[Númenor]] and the flight of [[Elendil]].|[[Letter 257]], [[16 July]] [[1964]]}}

As only ''[[The Hobbit]]'', ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'', ''[[The Adventures of Tom Bombadil]]'', and ''[[The Road Goes Ever On (book)|The Road Goes Ever On]]'' were published during Tolkien's lifetime, only those works should be considered "true" canon with respect to Tolkien's publication history. Tolkien himself considered the published works as "fixed" and tried not to introduce new concepts that would contradict or alter them, while elements he left unpublished, he continued to experiment on.

But ''The Hobbit'' was revised twice, and ''The Lord of The Rings'' once. There is no general consistency across all of these books, although the most agreement between sources may be found with the second (1950) edition of The Hobbit, the first (1954-5) edition of ''The Lord of The Rings'', and ''The Adventures of Tom Bombadil'' and ''The Road Goes Ever On''. Further complicating matters is Tolkien's commentary in the Appendices of ''The Lord of The Rings'', where he posits the work itself as being a [[Red Book of Westmarch|translation of mythology]] written down ''in'' the world of Arda, subject to errors and other inaccuracies of those fictional characters who "wrote" the material Tolkien is "translating." Similarly, ''The Hobbit'' is said to be a translation of a memoir written by Bilbo Baggins, and it is commonly thought that a degree of unreliable narration is intentionally presented at different parts of the story.

[[Christopher Tolkien]] kept as closely as possible to the material his father wrote when ''[[The Silmarillion]]'' was published, and stated he had kept it as consistent as possible.

Tolkien left a comprehensive and detailed summary of ''The Silmarillion'' which we wrote in Letter 131 to Milton Waldman, and this reveals that the version published by Christopher is largely unchanged in its major details and events.

{{Blockquote|The cycles begin with a cosmogonical myth: the Music of the Ainur. God and the Valar (or powers: Englished as gods) are revealed.

It moves then swiftly to the History of the Elves, or the Silmarillion proper; to the world as we perceive it, but of course transfigured in a still half-mythical mode: that is it deals with rationalincarnate creatures of more or less comparable stature with our own. The Knowledge of theCreation Drama was incomplete: incomplete in each individual 'god', and incomplete if all theknowledge of the pantheon were pooled. For (partly to redress the evil of the rebel Melkor, partly for the completion of all in an ultimate finesse of detail) the Creator had not revealed all.

So, proceeding, the Elves have a fall, before their 'history' can become storial. (The first fall of Man, for reasons explained, nowhere appears – Men do not come on the stage until all that is long past, and there is only a rumour that for a while they fell under the domination of the Enemy and that some repented.) The main body of the tale, the Silmarillion proper, is about the fall of the most gifted kindred of the Elves, their exile from Valinor (a kind of Paradise, the home of the Gods) in the furthest West, their re-entry into Middle-earth, the land of their birth but long under the rule of the Enemy, and their strife with him, the power of Evil still visibly incarnate. It receives its name because the events are all threaded upon the fate and significance of the Silmarilli ('radiance of pure light') or Primeval Jewels.

The chief of the stories of the Silmarillion, and the one most fully treated is the Story of Beren and Lúthien the Elfmaiden.There are other stories almost equally full in treatment, and equally independent and yet linked to the general history. There is the Children of Húrin, the tragic tale of Túrin Turambar and his sister Níniel ...

There is the Fall of Gondolin: the chief Elvish stronghold. And the tale, or tales, of Earendil the Wanderer. He is important as the person who brings the Silmarillion to its end, and as providing in his offspring the main links to and persons in the tales of later Ages.

The next cycle deals (or would deal) with the Second Age. But it is on Earth a dark age, and not very much of its history is (or need be) told. In the great battles against the First Enemy the lands were broken and ruined, and the West of Middle-earth became desolate. We learn that the Exiled Elves were, if not commanded, at least sternly counselled to return into the West, and there be at peace. They were not to dwell permanently in Valinor again, but in the Lonely Isle of Eresseëa within sight of the Blessed Realm. The Men of the Three Houses were rewarded for their valour and faithful alliance, by being allowed to dwell 'western-most of all mortals', in the great 'Atlantis' isle of Númenóre.

The Elves of Eregion made Three supremely beautiful and powerful rings, almost solely of their own imagination, and directed to the preservation of beauty:
But secretly in the subterranean Fire, in his own Black Land, Sauron made One Ring, the Ruling Ring that contained the powers of all the others, and controlled them, so that its wearer could see the thoughts of all those that used the lesser rings, could govern all that they did, and in the end could utterly enslave them.

He reckoned, however, without the wisdom and subtle perceptions of
the Elves. The moment he assumed the One, they were aware of it, and of his secret purpose, andwere afraid. They hid the Three Rings, so that not even Sauron ever discovered where they were and they remained unsullied. The others they tried to destroy.
In the resulting war between Sauron and the Elves Middle-earth, especially in the west, was further ruined.

The Downfall of
Númenor, the Second Fall of Man , brings on the catastrophic end, not only of the Second Age, but of the Old World, the primeval world of legend (envisaged as flat and bounded).
So the end of the Second Age draws on in a major catastrophe; but it is not yet quite concluded.

The Second Age ends with the Last Alliance (of Elves and Men), and the great siege of Mordor.
It ends with the overthrow of Sauron and destruction of the second visible incarnation of evil. But at a cost, and with one disastrous mistake. Gilgalad and Elendil are slain in the act of slaying Sauron. Isildur, Elendil's son, cuts die ring from Sauron's hand, and his power departs, and his spirit flees into the shadows.
But the evil begins to work. Isildur claims the Ring as his own, as 'the Weregild of his father', and refuses to cast it into the Fire nearby. He marches away, but is drowned in the Great River, and the Ring is lost, passing out of all knowledge. But it is not unmade, and the Dark Tower built with its aid still stands, empty but not destroyed. So ends the Second Age with the coming of the Númenórean realms and the passing of the last kingship of the High Elves}}

Throughout his commentaries in ''[[The History of Middle-earth]]'', Christopher has pointed out many discrepancies between his final editorial selections and alterations and what he believed were later additions or revisions his father intended to make.

Furthermore, the chapters in the published ''Silmarillion'' about the ruin of [[Doriath]] and the fall of [[Gondolin]], especially the former, were largely written by Christopher Tolkien and [[Guy Gavriel Kay]], to fill in gaps in the available story, and therefore do not represent J.R.R. Tolkien's own ideas about how those stories should be handled.

''[[Unfinished Tales]]'' consists of essays and stories composed after ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'' which were generally consistent with The Lord of the Rings. The book reveals parallel traditions regarding the history of Galadriel and Celeborn, the nature of the [[Istari]], and a few minor sub-plots. Regardless of whether one views the work as canon or not, readers must bear in mind the fact that no true consistency exists between these unfinished tales and the earlier works.

The various texts published in ''[[The History of Middle-earth]]'' date from all periods of Tolkien's life and generally exclude the more finished sections used for the published works.

Towards the end of his life, Tolkien described the tales of the ''[[Quenta Silmarillion]]'' as legends, chiefly those of Men but blended with those of the Sindar, rather than as the bona fide histories of Arda. As such the tales could contain a germ of truth, embellished in literary tradition, without the need to be completely accurate or factual information.<ref>{{L|325}}</ref><ref>{{PM|XI}}</ref><ref>{{PM|XIII}}</ref> Tolkien had, at several points suggested he the described the ''Lord of the Rings'' and ''The Hobbit'' in a similar way. Indeed, he considered everything he wrote to be set "body of myths" or set of legends, so the term "legend" should not be considered evidence that he didn't want ''The Silmarillion'' to be counted alongside the rest of his work. In Letter 131 to Milton Waldman he stated the importance of ''The Silmarillion'' to his ''Legendarium'' when he said "''The Rings of Power and the Downfall of Númenor. Both are the essential background to The Hobbit and its sequel"'' <ref>Letter 131 to Milton Waldman- Unknown Date, 1951 </ref>

==Determining a priority==
When handling two or more inconsistent elements of Tolkien's Legendarium, there are at least two (sometimes overlapping, sometimes conflicting) rules of thumb according to which a Tolkienist can apply criticism and determine which is more valid over the other.
;Final intent
:This principle follows the axiom that Tolkien's Legendarium is a work that was revisioned towards maturity and refinement, therefore later ideas are more valid than earlier ones. For example, in one of his [[Last Writings]] (q.v.) near the end of his life, Tolkien wrote that the [[Blue Wizards]] played a big role in the [[East]]. This can be considered the "final word" on the matter, obsoleting an earlier idea (stated in [[Letter 211]]) that they fell like Saruman.
;Height intent
:This principle considers that by the writing of the ''Lord of the Rings'' the Legendarium had reached its peak of maturity. Afterwards, Tolkien's personal and unpublished writings presented a "decline" and were mainly experiments with philosophical matters of Arda, which sometimes contradicted the established works. These were eventually abandoned or left unfinished. Such concepts include the [[Round World version of the Silmarillion]], or the [[1960]] partial rewrite of ''The Hobbit''.

==Individual Issues==
===Gil-galad===
An example of the canon question is the lineage of [[Gil-galad]]. In the published ''Silmarillion'' he is said to be the son of [[Fingon]], but as disclosed in ''[[The War of the Jewels]]'' Tolkien considered many arrangements before apparently deciding that he was the son of [[Orodreth]], who would then also be displaced as a son of [[Finarfin]] and turned into Finarfin's grandson instead. Also, most people think [[Finwë]] had three children, all sons; [[Fëanor]] by his first wife [[Míriel]], and [[Fingolfin]] and [[Finarfin]] by [[Indis]]. However, this is incorrect, since he also had two daughters, [[Findis]] and [[Írimë]], by his second wife (Findis was in fact Finwë's first child by Indis), thus Finwë had five children. If the published ''Silmarillion'' is taken as canon all later material must be discarded, but if the later writings by Tolkien are taken as canon the ''Silmarillion'' must be rewritten, a task which Christopher Tolkien had stated he would not do as he was then retired. So we are left with a ''[[Quenta Silmarillion]]'' which contradicts the original author's intentions, but which is the only authoritative narrative in existence for most of the traditions. The latter third of the ''Quenta Silmarillion'' in particular was never rewritten by Tolkien as a whole after the early narrative of his youth.

===''The Hobbit''===
A further problem is reconciling ''The Hobbit'' with ''The Lord of the Rings''. In 1947, Tolkien suggested to his publisher, [[Allen and Unwin|George Allen & Unwin]], that ''The Hobbit'' required revision to make it more consistent with the then nearly finished sequel. In 1950, Tolkien was surprised to be informed that the publisher had incorporated his 1947 suggestions into a new edition of ''The Hobbit''. When he received the proofs for this update he subsequently altered some of the as-yet unpublished material in ''The Lord of the Rings'' to more fully conform to the changes Allen & Unwin had made to ''The Hobbit''.

Among inconsistencies which survived into the second edition, [[Bilbo Baggins|Bilbo]] and the [[Dwarves]] took far too long to reach [[Rivendell]] when a map from ''The Lord of the Rings'' was used to gauge the distance, which can only be explained with great difficulty if at all. There are additional problems as well, such as the exact location of the [[Trolls|Troll]] encounter. When he began writing ''The Hobbit'' Tolkien did not intend for it to be part of his Middle-earth mythology, but was simply populating an imaginary landscape with characters and locations for a children's adventure story. Nonetheless, for his own amusement, Tolkien borrowed several references to his unpublished mythology to give the story a sense of depth. Thus Gandalf and [[Thorin]] wield swords from [[Gondolin]], and [[Elrond]], ruler of Rivendell, is [[Half-elven]].

{{references}}
==External links==
*{{WP|Middle-earth canon}}
*[http://tolkien.slimy.com/essays/TolkParish.html Essay on Tolkienian canon] by Steuard Jensen
**[http://tolkien.slimy.com/publist.html List of Middle-earth books] with notes about suggested canonicity (part of the above site)
*"[http://middle-earth.xenite.org/2012/04/26/a-funny-thing-happened-on-the-way-to-the-canon/ A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Canon]" by [[Michael Martinez]]
[[Category:Fandom]]

Canon

2023-07-08T19:49:24Z

English Lady: Description of the Silmarillion in Letter 131, cleared up some grammar issues.

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[[File:Donato Giancola - J.R.R.Tolkien Portrait.jpg|thumb|''J.R.R.Tolkien'' by [[Donato Giancola]]]]
'''Canon''' is a term to refer to consistent "absolute truth" in literature, religion and fiction, in contrast to apocryphal tales of "lesser" significance and value. Many sophisticated works of fiction have some canon that refers to the corpus of the officially-released works and aims to internal consistency. For a full definition, see [[Wikipedia:Canon (fiction)]].

It is difficult to speak of what is "true" in the context of [[J.R.R. Tolkien]]'s [[legendarium]], or which texts should be considered part of the '''canon'''.

==Publication history==

{{quote|...there are Tolkien's latest thoughts, his best thoughts, and his published thoughts and these are not necessarily the same.|''[[Tolkien's Legendarium|Tolkien's Legendarium: Essays on The History of Middle-earth]]''}}

There are various reasons that make the idea of a Tolkien canon problematic:

* Tolkien worked on Middle-earth over the course of decades, making substantial changes. Readers may remember, for example, the differences between ''The Hobbit'' and ''The Lord of the Rings'' with regard to [[Gandalf]] and the [[Elves]]. Moreover, toward the end of his life the focus of his writing shifted from pure storytelling to more philosophical concerns, which led to a considerable shift in tone and content.

* Tolkien's writing is laden with details and hints, which can be contradictory, especially in the posthumously published work. Such information should not take precedence over more explicit statements elsewhere, but it can help to flesh out our understanding of Middle-earth (even if it does at times add confusion). In general, the '''revised''' versions of ''The Hobbit'' and the ''Lord of the Rings'' are considered canon, but with ''The Silmarillion'' and other posthumous texts the matter is more complex.

* To add to the confusion, in some cases, Tolkien intentionally left some gaps in his works. In [[Letter 144]] he provided both an explanation and an example of this, writing that ''"even in a mythical Age there must be some enigmas, as there always are. [[Tom Bombadil]] is one (intentionally)."'' Giving an incomplete picture in this way can be frustrating, but it also makes the invented world feel more natural.

{{blockquote|I am doubtful myself about the undertaking. Part of the attraction of the [[The Lord of the Rings|L.R.]] is, I think, due to the glimpses of a large history in the background: an attraction like that of viewing far off an unvisited island, or seeing the towers of a distant city gleaming in a sunlit mist. To go there is to destroy the magic, unless new unattainable vistas are again revealed. Also many of the older legends are purely 'mythological', and nearly all are grim and tragic: a long account of the disasters that destroyed the beauty of the Ancient World, from the darkening of [[Valinor]] to the Downfall of [[Númenor]] and the flight of [[Elendil]].|[[Letter 257]], [[16 July]] [[1964]]}}

As only ''[[The Hobbit]]'', ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'', ''[[The Adventures of Tom Bombadil]]'', and ''[[The Road Goes Ever On (book)|The Road Goes Ever On]]'' were published during Tolkien's lifetime, only those works should be considered "true" canon with respect to Tolkien's publication history. Tolkien himself considered the published works as "fixed" and tried not to introduce new concepts that would contradict or alter them, while elements he left unpublished, he continued to experiment on.

But ''The Hobbit'' was revised twice, and ''The Lord of The Rings'' once. There is no general consistency across all of these books, although the most agreement between sources may be found with the second (1950) edition of The Hobbit, the first (1954-5) edition of ''The Lord of The Rings'', and ''The Adventures of Tom Bombadil'' and ''The Road Goes Ever On''. Further complicating matters is Tolkien's commentary in the Appendices of ''The Lord of The Rings'', where he posits the work itself as being a [[Red Book of Westmarch|translation of mythology]] written down ''in'' the world of Arda, subject to errors and other inaccuracies of those fictional characters who "wrote" the material Tolkien is "translating." Similarly, ''The Hobbit'' is said to be a translation of a memoir written by Bilbo Baggins, and it is commonly thought that a degree of unreliable narration is intentionally presented at different parts of the story.

[[Christopher Tolkien]] kept as closely as possible to the material his father wrote when ''[[The Silmarillion]]'' was published, and stated he had kept it as consistent as possible.

Tolkien left a comprehensive and detailed summary of ''The Silmarillion'' which we wrote in Letter 131 to Milton Waldman, and this reveals that the version published by Christopher is largely unchanged in its major details and events.

{{Blockquote|The cycles begin with a cosmogonical myth: the Music of the Ainur. God and the Valar (or powers: Englished as gods) are revealed.

It moves then swiftly to the History of the Elves, or the Silmarillion proper; to the world as we perceive it, but of course transfigured in a still half-mythical mode: that is it deals with rationalincarnate creatures of more or less comparable stature with our own. The Knowledge of theCreation Drama was incomplete: incomplete in each individual 'god', and incomplete if all theknowledge of the pantheon were pooled. For (partly to redress the evil of the rebel Melkor, partly for the completion of all in an ultimate finesse of detail) the Creator had not revealed all.

So, proceeding, the Elves have a fall, before their 'history' can become storial. (The first fall of Man, for reasons explained, nowhere appears – Men do not come on the stage until all that is long past, and there is only a rumour that for a while they fell under the domination of the Enemy and that some repented.) The main body of the tale, the Silmarillion proper, is about the fall of the most gifted kindred of the Elves, their exile from Valinor (a kind of Paradise, the home of the Gods) in the furthest West, their re-entry into Middle-earth, the land of their birth but long under the rule of the Enemy, and their strife with him, the power of Evil still visibly incarnate. It receives its name because the events are all threaded upon the fate and significance of the Silmarilli ('radiance of pure light') or Primeval Jewels.

The chief of the stories of the Silmarillion, and the one most fully treated is the Story of Beren and Lúthien the Elfmaiden.There are other stories almost equally full in treatment, and equally independent and yet linked to the general history. There is the Children of Húrin, the tragic tale of Túrin Turambar and his sister Níniel ...

There is the Fall of Gondolin: the chief Elvish stronghold. And the tale, or tales, of Earendil the Wanderer. He is important as the person who brings the Silmarillion to its end, and as providing in his offspring the main links to and persons in the tales of later Ages.

The next cycle deals (or would deal) with the Second Age. But it is on Earth a dark age, and not very much of its history is (or need be) told. In the great battles against the First Enemy the lands were broken and ruined, and the West of Middle-earth became desolate. We learn that the Exiled Elves were, if not commanded, at least sternly counselled to return into the West, and there be at peace. They were not to dwell permanently in Valinor again, but in the Lonely Isle of Eresseëa within sight of the Blessed Realm. The Men of the Three Houses were rewarded for their valour and faithful alliance, by being allowed to dwell 'western-most of all mortals', in the great 'Atlantis' isle of Númenóre.}}

Throughout his commentaries in ''[[The History of Middle-earth]]'', Christopher has pointed out many discrepancies between his final editorial selections and alterations and what he believed were later additions or revisions his father intended to make.

Furthermore, the chapters in the published ''Silmarillion'' about the ruin of [[Doriath]] and the fall of [[Gondolin]], especially the former, were largely written by Christopher Tolkien and [[Guy Gavriel Kay]], to fill in gaps in the available story, and therefore do not represent J.R.R. Tolkien's own ideas about how those stories should be handled.

''[[Unfinished Tales]]'' consists of essays and stories composed after ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'' which were generally consistent with The Lord of the Rings. The book reveals parallel traditions regarding the history of Galadriel and Celeborn, the nature of the [[Istari]], and a few minor sub-plots. Regardless of whether one views the work as canon or not, readers must bear in mind the fact that no true consistency exists between these unfinished tales and the earlier works.

The various texts published in ''[[The History of Middle-earth]]'' date from all periods of Tolkien's life and generally exclude the more finished sections used for the published works.

Towards the end of his life, Tolkien described the tales of the ''[[Quenta Silmarillion]]'' as legends, chiefly those of Men but blended with those of the Sindar, rather than as the bona fide histories of Arda. As such the tales could contain a germ of truth, embellished in literary tradition, without the need to be completely accurate or factual information.<ref>{{L|325}}</ref><ref>{{PM|XI}}</ref><ref>{{PM|XIII}}</ref> Tolkien had, at several points suggested he the described the ''Lord of the Rings'' and ''The Hobbit'' in a similar way. Indeed, he considered everything he wrote to be set "body of myths" or set of legends, so the term "legend" should not be considered evidence that he didn't want ''The Silmarillion'' to be counted alongside the rest of his work. In Letter 131 to Milton Waldman he stated the importance of ''The Silmarillion'' to his ''Legendarium'' when he said "''The Rings of Power and the Downfall of Númenor. Both are the essential background to The Hobbit and its sequel"'' <ref>Letter 131 to Milton Waldman- Unknown Date, 1951 </ref>

==Determining a priority==
When handling two or more inconsistent elements of Tolkien's Legendarium, there are at least two (sometimes overlapping, sometimes conflicting) rules of thumb according to which a Tolkienist can apply criticism and determine which is more valid over the other.
;Final intent
:This principle follows the axiom that Tolkien's Legendarium is a work that was revisioned towards maturity and refinement, therefore later ideas are more valid than earlier ones. For example, in one of his [[Last Writings]] (q.v.) near the end of his life, Tolkien wrote that the [[Blue Wizards]] played a big role in the [[East]]. This can be considered the "final word" on the matter, obsoleting an earlier idea (stated in [[Letter 211]]) that they fell like Saruman.
;Height intent
:This principle considers that by the writing of the ''Lord of the Rings'' the Legendarium had reached its peak of maturity. Afterwards, Tolkien's personal and unpublished writings presented a "decline" and were mainly experiments with philosophical matters of Arda, which sometimes contradicted the established works. These were eventually abandoned or left unfinished. Such concepts include the [[Round World version of the Silmarillion]], or the [[1960]] partial rewrite of ''The Hobbit''.

==Individual Issues==
===Gil-galad===
An example of the canon question is the lineage of [[Gil-galad]]. In the published ''Silmarillion'' he is said to be the son of [[Fingon]], but as disclosed in ''[[The War of the Jewels]]'' Tolkien considered many arrangements before apparently deciding that he was the son of [[Orodreth]], who would then also be displaced as a son of [[Finarfin]] and turned into Finarfin's grandson instead. Also, most people think [[Finwë]] had three children, all sons; [[Fëanor]] by his first wife [[Míriel]], and [[Fingolfin]] and [[Finarfin]] by [[Indis]]. However, this is incorrect, since he also had two daughters, [[Findis]] and [[Írimë]], by his second wife (Findis was in fact Finwë's first child by Indis), thus Finwë had five children. If the published ''Silmarillion'' is taken as canon all later material must be discarded, but if the later writings by Tolkien are taken as canon the ''Silmarillion'' must be rewritten, a task which Christopher Tolkien had stated he would not do as he was then retired. So we are left with a ''[[Quenta Silmarillion]]'' which contradicts the original author's intentions, but which is the only authoritative narrative in existence for most of the traditions. The latter third of the ''Quenta Silmarillion'' in particular was never rewritten by Tolkien as a whole after the early narrative of his youth.

===''The Hobbit''===
A further problem is reconciling ''The Hobbit'' with ''The Lord of the Rings''. In 1947, Tolkien suggested to his publisher, [[Allen and Unwin|George Allen & Unwin]], that ''The Hobbit'' required revision to make it more consistent with the then nearly finished sequel. In 1950, Tolkien was surprised to be informed that the publisher had incorporated his 1947 suggestions into a new edition of ''The Hobbit''. When he received the proofs for this update he subsequently altered some of the as-yet unpublished material in ''The Lord of the Rings'' to more fully conform to the changes Allen & Unwin had made to ''The Hobbit''.

Among inconsistencies which survived into the second edition, [[Bilbo Baggins|Bilbo]] and the [[Dwarves]] took far too long to reach [[Rivendell]] when a map from ''The Lord of the Rings'' was used to gauge the distance, which can only be explained with great difficulty if at all. There are additional problems as well, such as the exact location of the [[Trolls|Troll]] encounter. When he began writing ''The Hobbit'' Tolkien did not intend for it to be part of his Middle-earth mythology, but was simply populating an imaginary landscape with characters and locations for a children's adventure story. Nonetheless, for his own amusement, Tolkien borrowed several references to his unpublished mythology to give the story a sense of depth. Thus Gandalf and [[Thorin]] wield swords from [[Gondolin]], and [[Elrond]], ruler of Rivendell, is [[Half-elven]].

{{references}}
==External links==
*{{WP|Middle-earth canon}}
*[http://tolkien.slimy.com/essays/TolkParish.html Essay on Tolkienian canon] by Steuard Jensen
**[http://tolkien.slimy.com/publist.html List of Middle-earth books] with notes about suggested canonicity (part of the above site)
*"[http://middle-earth.xenite.org/2012/04/26/a-funny-thing-happened-on-the-way-to-the-canon/ A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Canon]" by [[Michael Martinez]]
[[Category:Fandom]]

User talk:English Lady

2023-07-04T20:47:51Z

English Lady: /* Lack of sufficient references */ Reply

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Hi. You just said I've been harassing people in social media because of the RoP series. Either it's another namesake or a fake account. I already told you I haven't watched the show and that I don't like it. If I've undone your edits was because you were removing entire sections all together and going against the standards. Can you please show me that Lorenzo you mention? [[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] ([[User talk:LorenzoCB|talk]]) 09:03, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

:One of my mutuals recognized the artwork and thought you were the same person but its possible someone stole your artwork from here. We blocked the user in question but their username was Elerondo/Mairon Artano on Twitter. If they are impersonating you I can pass you the details in a more private message. [[User:English Lady|English Lady]] ([[User talk:English Lady|talk]]) 14:02, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
::I'm only active in Facebook and Discord. Btw, I invite you to join [[Chat|our server]] for better communication. If you join, I'll appreciate if you share more info on this guy with me. [[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] ([[User talk:LorenzoCB|talk]]) 14:26, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

== Lack of sufficient references ==
I reverted your edits on two RoP episode pages, because they contained statements without any references. Please read the Tokien Gateway:Manual of Style and the Help:References page and pages for templates, such as Template:PM or Template:FR . In addition in stose instances where you did use references, the references were in clear text instead of using the template, did not refer to the subchapter of Late Writings in The Peoples of Middle-earth and did not contain page numbers. There was also no reference where you got the exact location of the shipwreck from and why that would be impossible in a flat earth given the statements at the beginning of Akallabeth how far Numenoreans could sail from Numenor in the direction of Aman during the Second Age with a flat earth. --[[User:Akhorahil|Akhôrahil]] ([[User talk:Akhorahil|talk]]) 10:29, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

:OK I hae to protest this. A whole section has been added tot the movies labelleed "deviations from the source material" and NONE of that is referenced at all. Take a look at those pages if you don't believe me. There is literally no citations in it.
:[[The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring#Deviations from the source material]]
:[[The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers#Deviations from the source material]]
:You didn't require your fellow admin to cite exactly where they got that information from, and instead are exercizing some bizarre kind of pro-Rings of Power censorship by requiring everyone to provide citations when they say the series is book accurate. Can I go and remove those sections from the movie pages for not providing citations? No, you would ban me.
:I am going to be taking this up with the other admins, because I am finding the pro-rings of Power bias on this page is getting too much. It is clearly no longer neutral. I will also be warning all my followers off Tolkien Gateway. Hope its worth what Amazon paid you to sell out this page. [[User:English Lady|English Lady]] ([[User talk:English Lady|talk]]) 12:35, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
::I cannot recommend strongly enough that you join our [http://discord.gg/ktX6fhU9FY Discord Server], I fear you are perceiving a bias where there is none and discord would be a much easier place to converse about your concerns.
::FYI the section you deleted from The Two Towers page was more than 15 years old, from a time when standards for references were not just low but almost non existent. We now ask for a higher standard of referencing when new content is added, it is the only way to slowly improve things as implementing rules and applying them across all old articles is impossible.
::As I mentioned, I'd love to discuss this more so please join us in our Discord.[[User:JR Snow|JR Snow]] ([[User talk:JR Snow|talk]]) 16:22, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
:::I just checked and there are edits to that section from 2022, the same year the series came out. How odd. How strange. Must be a pure coincidence.
:::It can be deleted that is within in the ability of admins. No doubt it will be back by tommorow, and still without references or citations because it is too hard to fix that. Just like it is impossible to add page references to any article written post Rings of Power... not that any of the material is in the books. We wouldn't want anyone to know that though, would we? [[User:English Lady|English Lady]] ([[User talk:English Lady|talk]]) 20:14, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
::Speaking as an admin: I gave you permission to create those sections even if not including proper references; not because I think we should lower the standards but because it can be a good base to work with, same with the same sections in the PJ films. I'm sorry if you feel your work is being unapreciated. Akhorahil's intentions were the same as mine with my first reversals: inviting you to keep the quality. All said, Tolkien Gateway is an open wiki, a community, and communication via Talkpages is not easy, so it's easy to make assumtions. We are all volunteers here, there is no agenda behind but to help us each others. I've been in the same place as you, being constantly corrected by admins and learn to use templates and paginations, and even to improve my English. Everything without seeing a penny. Please, continue your work on those sections, but please don't take corrections as bias towards RoP. Just get the idea: tomorrow a legion of new users could come and rewrite all those sections in the most biased pro-Amazon way (we would stop them of course), and I hope you wouldn't blame TG for that. [[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] ([[User talk:LorenzoCB|talk]]) 16:58, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
:::Well thankyou for re-adding. I do intend to add references eventually but I work and don't have time to do it all at once, but I want people to be able to see this information in the meantime.. [[User:English Lady|English Lady]] ([[User talk:English Lady|talk]]) 20:47, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
:"The earth was flat so it was impossible to determine how far they could sail without seeing the shore of Numenor - SO THERE! I win ! Tolkien is wrong Rings of Power is right!"
:Well, one has to wonder why the Ban of the Valar existed and how they determined it had been broken by Pharazon but not by those humans a couple of miles away from the place the Elven ship went there, and no Numenor in sight... [[User:English Lady|English Lady]] ([[User talk:English Lady|talk]]) 20:17, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

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== Me on social media ==

Hi. You just said I've been harassing people in social media because of the RoP series. Either it's another namesake or a fake account. I already told you I haven't watched the show and that I don't like it. If I've undone your edits was because you were removing entire sections all together and going against the standards. Can you please show me that Lorenzo you mention? [[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] ([[User talk:LorenzoCB|talk]]) 09:03, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

:One of my mutuals recognized the artwork and thought you were the same person but its possible someone stole your artwork from here. We blocked the user in question but their username was Elerondo/Mairon Artano on Twitter. If they are impersonating you I can pass you the details in a more private message. [[User:English Lady|English Lady]] ([[User talk:English Lady|talk]]) 14:02, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
::I'm only active in Facebook and Discord. Btw, I invite you to join [[Chat|our server]] for better communication. If you join, I'll appreciate if you share more info on this guy with me. [[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] ([[User talk:LorenzoCB|talk]]) 14:26, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

== Lack of sufficient references ==
I reverted your edits on two RoP episode pages, because they contained statements without any references. Please read the Tokien Gateway:Manual of Style and the Help:References page and pages for templates, such as Template:PM or Template:FR . In addition in stose instances where you did use references, the references were in clear text instead of using the template, did not refer to the subchapter of Late Writings in The Peoples of Middle-earth and did not contain page numbers. There was also no reference where you got the exact location of the shipwreck from and why that would be impossible in a flat earth given the statements at the beginning of Akallabeth how far Numenoreans could sail from Numenor in the direction of Aman during the Second Age with a flat earth. --[[User:Akhorahil|Akhôrahil]] ([[User talk:Akhorahil|talk]]) 10:29, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

:OK I hae to protest this. A whole section has been added tot the movies labelleed "deviations from the source material" and NONE of that is referenced at all. Take a look at those pages if you don't believe me. There is literally no citations in it.
:[[The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring#Deviations from the source material]]
:[[The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers#Deviations from the source material]]
:You didn't require your fellow admin to cite exactly where they got that information from, and instead are exercizing some bizarre kind of pro-Rings of Power censorship by requiring everyone to provide citations when they say the series is book accurate. Can I go and remove those sections from the movie pages for not providing citations? No, you would ban me.
:I am going to be taking this up with the other admins, because I am finding the pro-rings of Power bias on this page is getting too much. It is clearly no longer neutral. I will also be warning all my followers off Tolkien Gateway. Hope its worth what Amazon paid you to sell out this page. [[User:English Lady|English Lady]] ([[User talk:English Lady|talk]]) 12:35, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
::I cannot recommend strongly enough that you join our [http://discord.gg/ktX6fhU9FY Discord Server], I fear you are perceiving a bias where there is none and discord would be a much easier place to converse about your concerns.
::FYI the section you deleted from The Two Towers page was more than 15 years old, from a time when standards for references were not just low but almost non existent. We now ask for a higher standard of referencing when new content is added, it is the only way to slowly improve things as implementing rules and applying them across all old articles is impossible.
::As I mentioned, I'd love to discuss this more so please join us in our Discord.[[User:JR Snow|JR Snow]] ([[User talk:JR Snow|talk]]) 16:22, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
:::I just checked and there are edits to that section from 2022, the same year the series came out. How odd. How strange. Must be a pure coincidence.
:::It can be deleted that is within in the ability of admins. No doubt it will be back by tommorow, and still without references or citations because it is too hard to fix that. Just like it is impossible to add page references to any article written post Rings of Power... not that any of the material is in the books. We wouldn't want anyone to know that though, would we? [[User:English Lady|English Lady]] ([[User talk:English Lady|talk]]) 20:14, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
::Speaking as an admin: I gave you permission to create those sections even if not including proper references; not because I think we should lower the standards but because it can be a good base to work with, same with the same sections in the PJ films. I'm sorry if you feel your work is being unapreciated. Akhorahil's intentions were the same as mine with my first reversals: inviting you to keep the quality. All said, Tolkien Gateway is an open wiki, a community, and communication via Talkpages is not easy, so it's easy to make assumtions. We are all volunteers here, there is no agenda behind but to help us each others. I've been in the same place as you, being constantly corrected by admins and learn to use templates and paginations, and even to improve my English. Everything without seeing a penny. Please, continue your work on those sections, but please don't take corrections as bias towards RoP. Just get the idea: tomorrow a legion of new users could come and rewrite all those sections in the most biased pro-Amazon way (we would stop them of course), and I hope you wouldn't blame TG for that. [[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] ([[User talk:LorenzoCB|talk]]) 16:58, 4 July 2023 (UTC)
:"The earth was flat so it was impossible to determine how far they could sail without seeing the shore of Numenor - SO THERE! I win ! Tolkien is wrong Rings of Power is right!"
:Well, one has to wonder why the Ban of the Valar existed and how they determined it had been broken by Pharazon but not by those humans a couple of miles away from the place the Elven ship went there, and no Numenor in sight... [[User:English Lady|English Lady]] ([[User talk:English Lady|talk]]) 20:17, 4 July 2023 (UTC)

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The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers

2023-07-04T12:40:45Z

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{{cleanup}}
{{disambig-more|Two Towers|[[Two Towers (disambiguation)]]}}
{{film infobox
| image=[[File:The Lord of the Rings - The Two Towers - Ensemble poster.jpg|250px]]
| name=The Two Towers
| director=[[Peter Jackson]]
| producer=Peter Jackson Barrie M. Osborne [[Fran Walsh]]
| writer='''Novel:''' [[J.R.R. Tolkien]] '''Screenplay:''' [[Fran Walsh]] [[Philippa Boyens]] Peter Jackson
| narrator=
| starring= see below
| music=[[Howard Shore]]
| cinematography=[[Andrew Lesnie]]
| editing=Michael J. Horton
| studio=[[WingNut Films]] [[New Line Cinema]]
| distributor=[[New Line Cinema]]
| released=[[December 18]], [[2002]]
| runtime='''Theatrical:''' 179 min. '''Extended Edition:''' 223 min.
| country=New Zealand & USA
| language=English
| budget= $94 million
| website=[http://www.lordoftherings.net Official website]
| imdb_id=0120737
}}
'''''The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers''''' is a film which was directed by [[Peter Jackson]], with a theatrical runtime of 179 minutes (2 hours, 59 minutes). It is the second part in [[The Lord of the Rings (film series)|The Lord of the Rings film trilogy]], following ''[[The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring]]''. It's screenplay is written by Peter Jackson, [[Fran Walsh]] and [[Philippa Boyens]]. It is an adaptation of the book ''[[The Two Towers]]'', the second part of the three-volume novel ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'' by [[J.R.R. Tolkien]], although some of the later events are held over to the later third movie, ''[[The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King]]''.The film premiered at Ziegfeld Theatre in New York City, on Thursday, 5 December, [[2002]]. It was very well received critically and was an enormous box-office success, making over $900 million worldwide (making it the fourth most successful film of all time at that point in time).

==Synopsis==
The surviving members of the [[Fellowship of the Ring]] have split into three groups. Frodo and Sam face many perils on their continuing quest to save [[Middle-earth]] by destroying [[the One Ring]] in the fires of [[Mount Doom]]. Merry and Pippin escape from the [[Orcs]] and must convince the [[Ents]] to join the battle against evil. Aragorn, Gimli and Legolas encounter a mysteriously transformed Gandalf and battle [[Saruman]]'s army at [[Helm's Deep]].

==Scenes==
# [[The Foundations of Stone]]
# [[Elven Rope]] *
# [[The Taming of Sméagol (scene)|The Taming of Sméagol]] **
# [[The Uruk-hai (scene)|The Uruk-hai]] **
# [[The Three Hunters]]
# [[The Burnings of the Westfold]] **
# [[Massacre at the Fords of Isen]] *
# [[The Banishment of Éomer]] **
# [[On the Trail of the Uruk-hai]]
# [[Night Camp at Fangorn]] **
# [[The Riders of Rohan (scene)|The Riders of Rohan]]
# [[The Fate of Merry and Pippin]]
# [[Treebeard (scene)|Treebeard]]
# [[The Passage of the Marshes (scene)|The Passage of the Marshes]] **
# [[The White Rider (scene)|The White Rider]] **
# [[The Songs of the Entwives]] *
# [[The Heir of Númenor]] *
# [[The Black Gate is Closed (scene)|The Black Gate is Closed]]
# [[Ent Draft]] *
# [[The King of the Golden Hall (scene)|The King of the Golden Hall]] **
# [[The Funeral of Théodred]] *
# [[Simbelmynë on the Burial Mounds]]
# [[The King's Decision]]
# [[Brego (scene)|Brego]] *
# [[The Ring of Barahir]] *
# [[A Daughter of Kings]] **
# [[Exodus from Edoras]]
# [[The Forests of Ithilien]]
# [[Gollum and Sméagol]]
# [[Of Herbs and Stewed Rabbit (scene)|Of Herbs and Stewed Rabbit]] **
# [[Dwarf Women]] **
# [[One of the Dúnedain]] *
# [[The Evenstar (The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers scene)|The Evenstar]] **
# [[The Wolves of Isengard]]
# [[Helm's Deep (scene)|Helm's Deep]] **
# [[Isengard Unleashed]]
# [[The Grace of the Valar]]
# [[Arwen's Fate]]
# [[The Story Foreseen from Lórien]]
# [[The Window on the West (scene)|The Window on the West]] **
# [[Sons of the Steward]] *
# [[The Forbidden Pool (scene)|The Forbidden Pool]] **
# [[Aragorn's Return]]
# [[Entmoot (scene)|Entmoot]]
# [[The Glittering Caves]] **
# [["Where is the Horse and the Rider?"]]
# [["Don't Be Hasty Master Meriadoc!"]] *
# [[The Host of the Eldar]]
# [[The Battle of the Hornburg]] **
# [[Old Entish]]
# [[The Breach of the Deeping Wall]]
# [[The Entmoot Decides]]
# [[The Retreat of the Hornburg]] **
# [[Master Peregrin's Plan]]
# [[Osgiliath (scene)|Osgiliath]]
# [[The Last March of the Ents]] **
# [[The Nazgûl Attack]]
# [[Forth Eorlingas]]
# [[The Flooding of Isengard]]
# [[The Tales That Really Mattered...]]
# [[Fangorn Comes to Helm's Deep]] *
# [[The Final Tally]] *
# [[Flotsam and Jetsam (scene)|Flotsam and Jetsam]] *
# [[Farewell to Faramir]] *
# [["The Battle for Middle-earth is About to Begin"]]
# [[Gollum's Plan]]
# Credits
# Official Fan Club Credits *

<nowiki> *</nowiki> denotes a scene only available in the Extended Edition cut of the film.

<nowiki> **</nowiki> denotes a scene which includes extended content only available in the Extended Edition cut of the film.

==Cast==
{| class="wikitable"
|- bgcolor="# CCCCCC"
! Actor !! Role
|-
| [[Bruce Allpress]] || [[Aldor (film character)|Aldor]]
|-
| [[Sean Astin]] || [[Samwise Gamgee|Sam]]
|-
| [[John Bach]] || [[Madril]]
|-
| [[Sala Baker]] || [[Lugdush|Man Flesh Uruk]]
|-
| [[Cate Blanchett]] || [[Galadriel]]
|-
| [[Orlando Bloom]] || [[Legolas]]
|-
| [[Billy Boyd]] || [[Peregrin Took|Pippin]]
|-
| [[Jed Brophy]] || [[Sharku]]/[[Snaga (orc of Isengard)|Snaga]]
|-
| [[Sam Comery]] || [[Éothain (film character)|Éothain]]
|-
| [[Brad Dourif]] || [[Gríma|Wormtongue]]
|-
| [[Calum Gittins]] || [[Haleth (film character)|Haleth]]
|-
| [[Bernard Hill]] || [[Théoden]]
|-
| [[Bruce Hopkins]] || [[Gamling]]
|-
| [[Paris Howe Strewe]] || [[Théodred]]
|-
| [[Christopher Lee]] || [[Saruman]]
|-
| [[Nathaniel Lees]] || [[Uglúk]]
|-
| [[John Leigh]] || [[Háma]]
|-
| [[Robbie Magasiva]] || [[Mauhúr]]
|-
| [[Robyn Malcolm]] || [[Morwen (film character)|Morwen]]
|-
| [[Ian McKellen]] || [[Gandalf]]
|-
| [[Dominic Monaghan]] || [[Meriadoc Brandybuck|Merry]]
|-
| [[Viggo Mortensen]] || [[Aragorn]]
|-
| [[Miranda Otto]] || [[Éowyn]]
|-
| [[Craig Parker]] || [[Haldir]]
|-
| [[Bruce Phillips]] || [[Rohirrim|Rohan Soldier]]
|-
| [[Robert Pollock]] || [[Orcs of Mordor|Mordor Orc]]
|-
| [[John Rhys-Davies]] || [[Gimli]]/[[Treebeard|Voice of Treebeard]]
|-
| [[Andy Serkis]] || [[Gollum]]
|-
| [[Olivia Tennet]] || [[Freda]]
|-
| [[Ray Trickitt|Ray Trickett]] || [[Bereg (film character)|Bereg]]
|-
| [[Liv Tyler]] || [[Arwen]]
|-
| [[Karl Urban]] || [[Éomer]]
|-
| [[Stephen Ure]] || [[Grishnákh]]
|-
| [[Hugo Weaving]] || [[Elrond]]
|-
| [[David Wenham]] || [[Faramir]]
|-
| [[Elijah Wood]] || [[Frodo Baggins|Frodo]]
|-
| [[Victoria Beynon-Cole]], Lee Hartley, Philip Grieve || [[Orcs|Hero Orcs]]
|-
| Billy Jackson, [[Katie Jackson]] || [[Rohirrim|Cute Rohan Refugee Children]]
|-
| [[Sean Bean]] || [[Boromir]] ([[The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers (extended edition)|Extended Edition]] only)
|-
| Timothy Lee || [[Dunlendings|Wildman]] ([[The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers (extended edition)|Extended Edition]] only)
|-
| [[John Noble]] || [[Denethor]] ([[The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers (extended edition)|Extended Edition]] only)
|-
| Phillip Spencer-Harris || [[Ranger of Ithilien|Ranger 1]] ([[The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers (extended edition)|Extended Edition]] only)
|}

===Uncredited===
{| class="wikitable"
|- bgcolor="#CCCCCC"
! Actor !! Role
|-
| Richard Alexander, Geoff Allen, Daniel Andrews, Sean Button, Ryan Coray, Rodney Cook, Tack Daniel, Augie Davis, Mana Hira Davis, Shane Dawson, David Gatward Ferguson, Siaosi Fonua, Winham Hammond, Michael Harrison, Lani Jackson, Ralph Johnson, Sam Kelly, Greg Lane, Lance Louez, Joseph Mika-Hunt, Dean Morganty, Francis Mountjoy, Nooroa Poa, Allan Poppleton, Ken Stratton, Robbie Titchener, Tim Wong, Robert Young || [[Uruk-Hai]]
|-
| Geoff Allen, Daniel Andrews, Ben Barrington, Mana Hira Davis, Michael Harrison, Ron Kerkmeester, Joseph Mika-Hunt, Francis Mountjoy, Matthew J. Saville || [[Gondorians|Gondorian Soldiers]]
|-
| Geoff Allen, Frazer Anderson, Daniel Andrews, Ben Barrington, Mana Hira Davis, Siaosi Fonua, Michael Harrison, Paul Holmes, Ralph Johnson, Ron Kerkmeester, Lance Louez, Francis Mountjoy, Shaneel Sidal, Melvin Te Wani, John Turner || [[Orcs]]
|-
| Geoff Allen, Colin Bleasdale, Mana Hira Davis, Aron Eastwood, Michael Harrison, Davey Hughes, Ralph Johnson, Ron Kerkmeester, Richard Knowles, Ken Stratton, John Turner || [[Rohirrim|Rohan Soldiers]]
|-
| Frazer Anderson, Ben Barrington, Michael Harrison, Dean Morganty, Ken Stratton || [[Ranger of Ithilien|Rangers]]
|-
| Jarl Benzon, [[Jørn Benzon]], Ben Britton, Alexia Fairbrother, [[Daniel Falconer]], Kester Fordham, Ben Fransham, Jonathan Harding, Gareth Jensen, Sam Kelly, Sandro Kopp || [[Elves|Elven Warriors]]
|-
| Jarl Benzon || [[Rohirrim|Rohan Stable Boy]]
|-
| Owen Black, [[Daniel Falconer]] || [[Elves|Rivendell Elves]]
|-
| Dorothy Anne Bonner, June Hancock, Dra McKay, Dianne Smith || [[Rohirrim|Rohan Women]]
|-
| Ben Britton || [[Rohirrim|Man of Rohan]]
|-
| Riley Brophy || [[Rohirrim|Cute Rohan Refugee Child]]
|-
| Alistair Browning || [[Damrod]]
|-
| Alix Bushnell, Kelly Corbishley, Frank Goldingham, Lew Hewson, Jaime Lawrence, Cameron Lemon, Miranda Rivers, Samuel E. Shore, Sarah Thomas || [[Rohirrim|Rohan Refugees]]
|-
| Erin Cassie || [[Rohirrim|Village Girl]]
|-
| Robert Catto, Michael Fowler, Jaime Lawrence, Francis Mountjoy, Samuel E. Shore || [[Elves]]
|-
| Mana Hira Davis, Shane Dawson, Clint Elvy, Are Manea Karati, Jeremy Sciascia || [[Haradrim|Harad Warriors]]
|-
| Karlos Drinkwater || [[Easterlings|Easterling Warrior]]
|-
| Frank Edwards, Tony Shaw || [[Rohirrim|Rohan Men]]
|-
| Michael Harrison, Ron Kerkmeester, Paul Norell, Ken Stratton, Robbie Titchener || [[Easterlings]]
|-
| Michael Harrison, Michael Lawrence || [[Dunlendings|Wildmen]]
|-
| Lucas Hayward, James Ordish || [[Rohirrim|Rohan Boys]]
|-
| Dan Hennah, Alan Lee, Arnold Montey || [[Rohirrim|Rohan Recruits]]
|-
| Lew Hewson, Gareth Reeves || [[Elves|Fighting Elves]]
|-
| Jason Hood || [[Rohirrim|Théoden's Royal Guard]]
|-
| [[Peter Jackson]] || [[Rohirrim|Spear-Throwing Rohan Soldier]]
|-
| Sam La Hood || [[Orcs|Orc Pitmaster]]
|-
| [[Greg Lane]] || [[Berserker|Berserker Torch-Bearer]]
|-
| Don Langridge, Robbie Titchener || [[Rohirrim|Rohan Guards]]
|-
| Jono Manks || [[Ringwraith|Twilight Ringwraith]]
|-
| [[Brent McIntyre]] || [[Witch-king]]
|-
| Dean Morganty, Ken Stratton || [[Haradrim|Haradrim Warriors]]
|-
| [[Henry Mortensen]] || [[Rohirrim|Rohan Boy Recruit]]
|-
| Barrie M. Osborne || [[Rohirrim|Rock-throwing Rohan Soldier]]
|-
| Wayne Phillips || [[Gondorians|Captain of the Guards]]
|-
| Campbell Rousselle || [[Isengarders|Tree-cutting Orc]]
|-
| Nancy Ruck || [[Rohirrim|Rohan Refugee Child]]
|-
| Allan Smith || [[Elves|Dead Marshes Elf]]
|-
| Ken Stratton || [[Isengarders|Isengard Orc]]
|-
| [[Marcus Thorne]] || [[Orcs|Featured Orc]]
|-
| [[Greg Tozer]] || [[Rohirrim|Conscripting Rohan Soldier]]
|-
| [[Piripi Waretini]] || [[Uruk-Hai|Uruk-Hai Warrior]]
|-
| [[Hannah Wood]] || [[Rohirrim|Rohan Woman in Cave]]
|-
| John Wraight || [[Rohirrim|Stable Hand]]
|}

== Trivia ==
Below is a list of trivia from Amazon's "X-Ray" feature that accompanied the film upon streaming it on Prime Video.

==Filming locations==
<table class="wikitable">
<tr bgcolor="# CCCCCC">
<th>Fictional Location</th><th>Specific Location in New Zealand</th><th>General Area in New Zealand</th>
</tr><tr>
<td>Plains of [[Rohan]]</td><td>Greenstone Station</td><td>Kinloch</td>
</tr><tr>
<td>[[Rohan]]</td><td>Poolburn Lake</td><td>Maniototo Plain</td>
</tr><tr>
<td>[[Edoras]]</td><td>[[Mount Sunday]]</td><td>Rangitata Valley</td>
</tr><tr>
<td>[[Dead Marshes]]</td><td>Kepler Mire</td><td>Te Anau</td>
</tr><tr>
<td>The [[Black Gate]]</td><td>Rangipo Desert</td><td>Lake Taupo</td>
</tr><tr>
<td>[[Helm's Deep]]</td><td>Hayward's Hill</td><td>Lower Hutt</td>
</tr>
</table>

==Deviations from the source material==

==Score==
*[[The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers - Original Motion Picture Soundtrack]]
*[[The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers - The Complete Recordings]]

==Awards and critical opinion==
* Academy Awards
** Winner: Visual Effects, Sound Editing.
** Nominee: Best Picture, Best Art Direction - Set Decoration, Best Editing, and Best Sound.
* American Film Institute: Digital Effects, Production Design, Movie of the Year
* Apex Awards: Best Actor in a Supporting Role (Viggo Mortensen), Best Production Design, Best Original Song Score, Best Visual Effects, Best Make-up
* 2003 Art Directors Guild: Best Production Design (Period or Fantasy feature Film)
* Australian Film Awards: Best Foreign Film
* British Academy Film Awards: Best Costume Design, Best Special Visual Effects, Orange Film of the Year (voted on by the public)
* Broadcast Film Critics Association: Best Digital Acting Performance (Gollum)
* Central Ohio Film Critics: Best Cinematography
* Cinemarati Awards: Best Film, Best Ensemble Cast, Best Director (Peter Jackson), Best Film Editing
* Dallas Fort Worth Film Critics: Best Director (Peter Jackson)
* Empire Awards: Best Picture
* Golden Satellite Awards: Outstanding Motion Picture Ensemble, Best Visual Effects
* Golden Trailer Awards: Best Action Trailer
* Hollywood Makeup Artist and Hairstylist Guild Awards: Best Character Makeup, Best Character Hair Styling, Best Special Makeup Effects
* Hugo Award (World Science Fiction Society): Best Dramatic Presentation - Long Form
* International 3-D Awards (computer graphics industry): Best Feature Film VFX (Weta)
* Kansas City Film Critics: Best Director
* Las Vegas Film Critics: Best Director (Peter Jackson), Best Costume Design, Best Film Editing, Best Visual Effects
* Phoenix Film Critics Awards [http://www.moviecitynews.com/awards/phoenix_fca.htm]: "Best Picture", "Best Ensemble Acting", "Best Screenplay Adapted from Another Medium", "Best Cinematography", "Best Production Design", "Best Visual Effects", and "Best Makeup" "Gollum's Song", the theme played during the end credits, won the award for "Best Original Song". The song was written by [[Howard Shore]] and sung by the Icelandic singer [[Emiliana Torrini]].
* Rotten Tomatoes Awards: Best Film
* Saturn Awards: Best Fantasy Film, Best Costume (Ngila Dickson), Best Supporting Actor (Andy Serkis)
* Visual Effects Society Awards: Best Special Effects, Best Effects in Art Direction, Best Visual Effects in Photography, Best Models and Miniatures, Best Performance by an Actor in an Effects Film, Best Character Animation in a Live-Action Feature Film, Best Compositing and Visual Effects in an Effects-Driven Film
* Followers of the Oscars predicted that the movie had a poor chance of winning Best Picture, because it received no other nominations in the major Oscar categories (Director, Actor and Actress, Supporting Actor and Actress and Screenplay). This proved to be true, though the film did win the Academy Award for Visual Effects. It was speculated that the Academy was biding its time for the concluding film, ''[[The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King|The Return of the King]]'', to be released so that they could honour Peter Jackson for creating such a successful and acclaimed film trilogy. The third film was awarded 11 Oscars in 2004.

==Video release==

The theatrical edition of the movie was released on VHS and DVD on Tuesday, August 26, 2003. The DVD was a 2-disc set with extras on the second disc. This was intended to be a simultaneous worldwide release, but some British stores began selling the videos on Friday 22 because it was a Bank Holiday weekend, much to the ire of the film's UK distributor, which has threatened to withhold advance supplies of subsequent video releases.

An extended version of the movie including 44 minutes of additional material was released on video on Tuesday, November 18, 2003, with a total of 223 minutes (3 hours, 43 minutes). One of the additional scenes features Sean Bean and John Noble, who do not appear in the theatrical version, in a flashback in which brothers [[Boromir]] and [[Faramir]] are seen together with their father [[Denethor]]. This is available on VHS and on a 4-disc DVD set, with the movie on discs 1 and 2 including four audio commentaries by the crew and actors, and extensive bonus material on discs 3 and 4. There is also a "Special Edition" DVD package containing the 4-disc set, a sculpture of [[Gollum]], a booklet about the process of designing Gollum for the movie and a short DVD documentary on the process of designing collectible sculptures based on the movies' characters and artefacts.

In December, 2003 there were also limited back-to-back theatrical releases of the extended versions of ''The Fellowship of the Ring'' and ''The Two Towers'' followed by premieres of ''The Return of the King'', in all nine hours and seventeen minutes long.

==References in other media==
In the ''Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends'' episode "Duchess of Wails", the end of the episode is a homage to [[Battle of the Hornburg|the attack on Helm's Deep]] from the movie. Certain lines are used in the scene's dialogue as well as memorable visual moments, like the initial volley of arrows (tomatoes in the episode) are also used.
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{{Quote|[[Arondir]] finds himself a captive; [[Galadriel]] and [[Halbrand]] explore a legendary [[Númenor|kingdom]]; [[Elendil]] is given a new assignment; [[Nori]] faces the consequences.|Official Synopsis, [[Amazon Studios]]}}

'''Adar''' is the third episode of [[Amazon Studios]]'s television series, ''[[The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power]]'', released on [[9 September]], [[2022]].

==Synopsis==
===The Southlands===
[[Arondir]] finds himself taken to an [[Orc|Orcs]] enslavement camp in trenches somewhere in the [[Mordor|Southlands]], where many other humans and Elves, including Médhor and Revion, had been brought after capture. After Revion argues with the taskmasters Lurka and Vrath about a tree that the Orcs want felled, a leader of the camp, Magrot, offers the Elves water before abruptly killing Médhor in jest as he just so happened to be the last to drink the water.

At the end of the episode, Arondir, Revion, and a few others attempt a rebellion in the trench, tripping the taskmasters with their chains. Arondir saves Revion from a warg that is loosed upon them and impales Magrot in the neck with a tree-root, but Revion is shot to death after briefly climbing free out of the camp. Their attempt is quelled, and while Arondir is pinned to the ground, Lurka tells another Orc to summon Adar. Before the credits, Adar comes out as Orcs bow to him and chant his name, while his face is seen in a blur.

===Númenor===
[[Galadriel]] and [[Halbrand]] find themselves on a ship captained by [[Elendil]], headed toward [[Númenor]]. They travel up the river [[Siril]] and arrive at the capital city of [[Armenelos]]. At the city's high palace, they meet [[Tar-Míriel|Queen Regent Míriel]] and her chief advisor [[Ar-Pharazôn|Chancellor Pharazôn]], amid a large company of other [[Númenóreans]], presumably the [[Council of the Sceptre]]. Galadriel and Halbrand introduce themselves, and Míriel refuses to allow the two - particularly an [[Elves|Elf]] - passage back to [[Middle-earth]] as Galadriel requests.

Elendil is reluctant to let Galadriel escape Númenor when she tells him she is set on doing so, but the two establish friendship. He takes her to the kingdom's [[Hall of Lore]], where Galadriel discovers that the sigil of Sauron she had seen is in fact an abstract, sideview map of the Southlands, which Sauron intends to make into a new, committed realm. This realm would be located within the Southlands.

A young [[Isildur]], Elendil's son, is seen on a ship at sea near the island, training as a naval cadet with his friends Valandil and Ontamo, and others to get into the [[Guild of Venturers|Sea Guard]]. During their current voyage, the Sail Master's son, [[Imrahil (The Rings of Power)|Imrahil]], is rescued from being blown overboard.

After briefly trying and failing to get an apprenticeship with a smithy, Halbrand attempts to steal a guild crest from a man named Tamar. When Tamar and three other men confront him to take back the crest, Halbrand defeats them all in a street fight and is then arrested. At the prison, later, Galadriel tries convincing Halbrand again to accompany her to Middle-earth in order to redeem their blood-lines, as Sauron's endurance is the fault of the Elves who had warred against Morgoth, and of Halbrand's [[Ulfang|ancestors]] who were Morgoth's allies.

===The Harfoots===
The evening before the [[Harfoots]]' next migration, from the [[Norfield Glen]] to an orchard called the [[Grove]], [[The Stranger]] accidentally exposes himself to them while they are gathered commemorating their dead. Shocked at this, and angry at [[Elanor Brandyfoot|Nori's]] secret-keeping, the Harfoots confer what to do. Nori speaks out against their law concerning strangers and the outside world. On account of her youth, [[Sadoc Burrows]] forgives her deeds.

In the back of caravan the next day, departing from the woods, [[Largo Brandyfoot|Largo]] and [[Marigold Brandyfoot]] finally let the Stranger come along with them after he helps the family with their wagon.

==Cast==
:''In order of appearance'' (in episode credits)
{| class="wikitable"
|- bgcolor="#CCCCCC"
! Actor !! Role
|-
| [[Ismael Cruz Córdova]] || [[Arondir]]
|-
| [[Augustus Prew]] || [[Médhor]]
|-
| [[Simon Merrells]] || [[Revion|Watchwarden Revion]]
|-
| [[Morfydd Clark]] || [[Galadriel]]
|-
| [[Charlie Vickers]] || [[Halbrand]]
|-
| [[Lloyd Owen]] || [[Elendil|Captain Elendil]]
|-
| [[Cynthia Addai-Robinson]]|| [[Tar-Míriel|Queen Regent Míriel]]
|-
| [[Trystan Gravelle]]|| [[Pharazôn]]
|-
| [[Maxim Baldry]]|| [[Isildur]]
|-
| Anthony Crum || [[Ontamo]]
|-
| Alex Tarrant || [[Valandil (The Rings of Power)|Valandil]]
|-
| [[Ema Horvath]] || [[Eärien]]
|-
| [[Lenny Henry|Sir Lenny Henry]]|| [[Sadoc Burrows]]
|-
| [[Beau Cassidy]] || [[Dilly Brandyfoot]]
|-
| [[Markella Kavenagh]] || [[Elanor Brandyfoot|Elanor "Nori" Brandyfoot]]
|-
| [[Megan Richards]] || [[Poppy Proudfellow]]
|-
| [[Sara Zwangobani]] || [[Marigold Brandyfoot]]
|-
| [[Dylan Smith]] || [[Largo Brandyfoot]]
|-
| [[Daniel Weyman]] || [[The Stranger]]
|-
| [[Thusitha Jayasundera]] || [[Malva Meadowgrass|Malva]]
|-
| [[Maxine Cunliffe]] || [[Vilma]]
|-
| [[Joseph Mawle]] || [[Adar (The Rings of Power)|Adar]]
|-
| [[Jed Brophy]] || [[Vrath]]
|-
| Michael Morris || [[Númenóreans|Guardsman One]]
|-
| Antonio Te Maioha || [[Sail Master]]
|-
| Edward Clendon || [[Lurka]]
|-
| Luke Hawker || [[Magrot]]
|-
| Robert Strange || [[Orcs|Other Orc]]
|-
| Phil Grieve || [[Bazur]]
|-
| Preston O'Brien || [[Númenóreans|Guardsman Two]]
|-
| Phil Vaughan || [[Guild of Weaponsmiths|Smithy]]
|-
| [[Jason Hood]] || [[Tamar (The Rings of Power)|Tamar]]
|-
| Mana Hira Davis || [[Númenóreans|Worker One]]
|-
| Winham "Mu" Hammond || [[Númenóreans|Worker Two]]
|-
| Gabe Wright || [[Númenóreans|Messenger]]
|}

=== Uncredited ===
{| class="wikitable"
|- bgcolor="#CCCCCC"
! Actor !! Role
|-
| Amand Weaver || [[Men|Imprisoned Farmer]]<ref>https://m.imdb.com/title/tt11609034/fullcredits/cast?ref_=tt_ov_st_sm</ref>
|-
| Unknown actor || [[Imrahil (The Rings of Power)|Imrahil]]
|-
| Unknown horse || [[Berek]]
|-
| Ken Blackburn || [[Tar-Palantir]] (Off-camera, but in-scene)
|}

==Trivia==
Below is a list of trivia from Amazon's "X-Ray" feature that accompanied the episode.
* Scene 2 - "Most of the details and elaborations told herein are derived from '[[The Lord of the Rings]]', its prologue entitled '[[Concerning Hobbits]]', and its [[Appendices]], [[Appendix A|A]] through [[Appendix F|F]], where the intrepid traveler may journey to discover even farther horizons."
* Scene 6 - "Once slaves of the Dark Power themselves, [[orcs]] have been known to enslave even their own kind, and have often forced their conquered enemies into hard labor at their cruel hands. (Book VI, Chapter 2)"
* Scene 14 - "The central wharf of [[Númenor]]'s capital city is towered over by a statue of [[Earendil]] the Mariner, the [[half-elven]] savior of [[Middle-earth]] in the [[Elder Days]] and the forebear of this human kingdom's royal line. (Appendix A)"
* Scene 17 - "The ancestors of the [[Númenóreans]] were called the [[Edain]] - the men and women who first went west in [[Middle-earth]]. They were the allies of the [[elves]] in the [[First Age]] war against [[Morgoth]]. ([[Appendix A]])"
* Scene 20 - "[[Númenóreans]] are mariners of great renown, and lords of many ships on their island, which is also called [[Elenna]]. but they are forbidden from sailing [[west]] out of sight of their own shores, by the [[Ban of the Valar]], to prevent them from seeking the [[Undying Lands]] themselves. ([[Appendix F]]; [[Appendix A]])"
* Scene 23 - "It is a mark of evil things that came in the [[Great Darkness]] that they cannot abide the [[Sun]]. Some [[orcs]] can endure its light better than others, but they all hate it and only seldom will they journey in the open while the Sun shines. (Book III, Chapter 4)"
* Scene 25 - "[[Silvan]] elves hold a great love for trees, delighting in their wood and life within them, often watching them grow from acorns to ruinous old age. Given enough time, they say they might even hear the voices of the [[trees]] and understand their thoughts. (Book III, Chapter 8)"
* Scene 30 - "in contrast to the "lesser Men" or "low Men" who remained in [[Middle-earth]], the [[Númenóreans]] were gifted a life-span far greater than their cousins who were left behind - up to three times a normal human lifetime, in earlier days. ([[Appendix A]])"
* Scene 33 - "[[Elros]], the first king of [[Númenor]] who ruled under the name [[Tar-Minyatur]], was a half-elf like his brother [[Elrond]]. But when given the choice by the [[Valar]], he chose mortality and a human life. ([[Appendix A]])"
* Scene 35 - "[[Halflings]] delight in parties, and the Harvest Festival is a tradition meant to help the [[Harfoots]] prepare for the arduous migration that lies ahead."
* Scene 38 - "[[Harfoots]] use a pictographic "writing" system that uses symbols to convey meanings that can help to note important natural rhythms and tabulations which help them better prepare for future migrations."
* Scene 39 - "The wide-world is always around the [[Harfoots]]. They're vulnerable and unable to fence out the many dangers that exist for a small-sized creature like themselves."
* Scene 40 - "[[Sadoc Burrows]] is the [[Harfoot]]'s Trailfinder and leads the caravan. He uses his unique Star-book, passed down through the generations, to guide the [[Harfoots]] on the right course from one seasonal haven to the next."
* Scene 44 - "The [[Númenóreans]] love of the [[Sea]] extends to all elements of their culture. The statue in the center of this chamber is a personification of the Sea itself - as this was not, originally, a dungeon, but rather reappropriated as one sometime in the past."
* Scene 46 - "Everything the [[Harfoots]] own, they make or find and then carry with them inside their carts - their most valued possessions."
* Scene 48 - "[[Wargs]] are akin to [[wolves]], and are closely aligned with the [[orcs]] and the Darkness they serve. (Book II, Chapter 4)."

==Production==

==Deviations from Source Material ==
The ship that was shown at the very end of Episode 2 proves to be captained by Elendil. As in the last Episode, it is extremely unlikely humans would have been present in the part of the Sundering Seas where Elendil found Galadriel and Halbrand on the raft. The [[Númenóreans]] (the race to whom he belongs) were specifically forbidden from sailing so far West from their home that they could not see the shore. This prohibition was known as the [[Ban of the Valar]], which Elendil may have been in contravention of.

Other deviations from the source material pertaining to Númenor include:

* Míriel not knowing who Elendil was, when the source material notes they were, in fact, cousins and had known one another since childhood. In fact, Elendil's father was a member of her father's royal Council.
* Míriel was never Regent because her father Tar-Palantir was the reigning monarch until his death.
* Míriel speaks of a tradition which says that the White Tree of [[Nimloth (tree)|Nimloth]] would shed blossoms as a sign of the Valar's displeasure. No such tradition is mentioned in the source material. It is also worthy of note that in the books, the White Tree bore fruit, not blossoms.
* There is no indication in the source material that Galadriel ever travelled to Númenor. She also can be heard telling the people that the Elves gave the island to men. This is incorrect: the Valar themselves created the Island of Númenor, drawing it out of the sea as a gift to men for their bravery in opposing Morgoth during the First Age.

==== Other People, Places and Things: ====
There is no indication in the source material that a stranger , possibly one of the Istari, landed in a meteorite and was found by Hobbits in the Second Age. Where references do exist to any the persons known as Wizards appearing on Middle Earth at this time, they always came among the Elves or among Men, and for a specific purpose. (See History of Middle Earth, Volume XII, "Late Writings".<ref>J.R.R Tolkien, Christopher Tolkien ed. The History of Middle Earth Vol XII: ''The Peoples of Middle Earth'' "Part XIII Late Writings". </ref>

It is unlikely that Durin III and Durin IV were actually father and son as shown in the show, since they lived many hundreds of years apart. Durin III recieved one of the original Rings of Power given to the Dwarves, and Durin IV was alive at the time of the War of the Last Alliance, which happened over 1700 years later. Given that the average lifespan for Dwarves was just over 200 years, the former was a distant ancestor of the latter.

==Reception==
* [https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/the_lord_of_the_rings_the_rings_of_power/s01/e03 Rotten Tomatoes Reviews]

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== External links ==
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Hc4iK_t1Ek Episode 3 analysis by Rings & Realms]

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Adar (episode)

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| name=Adar
| image=[[File:The Lord of the Rings The Rings of Power - Adar.jpg|250px]]
| caption=
| director=[[Wayne Che Yip]]
| writer=[[J. D. Payne]] [[Patrick McKay]] and [[Stephany Folsom]]<ref>{{webcite|author=|articleurl=https://www.imdb.com/title/tt11609034/fullcredits/?ref_=tt_cl_sm|articlename=The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power (TV Series), Adar (episode) (2022), Full Cast & Crew|dated=|website=IMDB|accessed=3 December 2022}}</ref> (written by)
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| starring=
| narrator=
| cinematography=
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| music=[[Bear McCreary]] Main Title by [[Howard Shore]]
| animator=
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| previous=[[Adrift]]
| next=[[The Great Wave]]
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{{Quote|[[Arondir]] finds himself a captive; [[Galadriel]] and [[Halbrand]] explore a legendary [[Númenor|kingdom]]; [[Elendil]] is given a new assignment; [[Nori]] faces the consequences.|Official Synopsis, [[Amazon Studios]]}}

'''Adar''' is the third episode of [[Amazon Studios]]'s television series, ''[[The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power]]'', released on [[9 September]], [[2022]].

==Synopsis==
===The Southlands===
[[Arondir]] finds himself taken to an [[Orc|Orcs]] enslavement camp in trenches somewhere in the [[Mordor|Southlands]], where many other humans and Elves, including Médhor and Revion, had been brought after capture. After Revion argues with the taskmasters Lurka and Vrath about a tree that the Orcs want felled, a leader of the camp, Magrot, offers the Elves water before abruptly killing Médhor in jest as he just so happened to be the last to drink the water.

At the end of the episode, Arondir, Revion, and a few others attempt a rebellion in the trench, tripping the taskmasters with their chains. Arondir saves Revion from a warg that is loosed upon them and impales Magrot in the neck with a tree-root, but Revion is shot to death after briefly climbing free out of the camp. Their attempt is quelled, and while Arondir is pinned to the ground, Lurka tells another Orc to summon Adar. Before the credits, Adar comes out as Orcs bow to him and chant his name, while his face is seen in a blur.

===Númenor===
[[Galadriel]] and [[Halbrand]] find themselves on a ship captained by [[Elendil]], headed toward [[Númenor]]. They travel up the river [[Siril]] and arrive at the capital city of [[Armenelos]]. At the city's high palace, they meet [[Tar-Míriel|Queen Regent Míriel]] and her chief advisor [[Ar-Pharazôn|Chancellor Pharazôn]], amid a large company of other [[Númenóreans]], presumably the [[Council of the Sceptre]]. Galadriel and Halbrand introduce themselves, and Míriel refuses to allow the two - particularly an [[Elves|Elf]] - passage back to [[Middle-earth]] as Galadriel requests.

Elendil is reluctant to let Galadriel escape Númenor when she tells him she is set on doing so, but the two establish friendship. He takes her to the kingdom's [[Hall of Lore]], where Galadriel discovers that the sigil of Sauron she had seen is in fact an abstract, sideview map of the Southlands, which Sauron intends to make into a new, committed realm. This realm would be located within the Southlands.

A young [[Isildur]], Elendil's son, is seen on a ship at sea near the island, training as a naval cadet with his friends Valandil and Ontamo, and others to get into the [[Guild of Venturers|Sea Guard]]. During their current voyage, the Sail Master's son, [[Imrahil (The Rings of Power)|Imrahil]], is rescued from being blown overboard.

After briefly trying and failing to get an apprenticeship with a smithy, Halbrand attempts to steal a guild crest from a man named Tamar. When Tamar and three other men confront him to take back the crest, Halbrand defeats them all in a street fight and is then arrested. At the prison, later, Galadriel tries convincing Halbrand again to accompany her to Middle-earth in order to redeem their blood-lines, as Sauron's endurance is the fault of the Elves who had warred against Morgoth, and of Halbrand's [[Ulfang|ancestors]] who were Morgoth's allies.

===The Harfoots===
The evening before the [[Harfoots]]' next migration, from the [[Norfield Glen]] to an orchard called the [[Grove]], [[The Stranger]] accidentally exposes himself to them while they are gathered commemorating their dead. Shocked at this, and angry at [[Elanor Brandyfoot|Nori's]] secret-keeping, the Harfoots confer what to do. Nori speaks out against their law concerning strangers and the outside world. On account of her youth, [[Sadoc Burrows]] forgives her deeds.

In the back of caravan the next day, departing from the woods, [[Largo Brandyfoot|Largo]] and [[Marigold Brandyfoot]] finally let the Stranger come along with them after he helps the family with their wagon.

==Cast==
:''In order of appearance'' (in episode credits)
{| class="wikitable"
|- bgcolor="#CCCCCC"
! Actor !! Role
|-
| [[Ismael Cruz Córdova]] || [[Arondir]]
|-
| [[Augustus Prew]] || [[Médhor]]
|-
| [[Simon Merrells]] || [[Revion|Watchwarden Revion]]
|-
| [[Morfydd Clark]] || [[Galadriel]]
|-
| [[Charlie Vickers]] || [[Halbrand]]
|-
| [[Lloyd Owen]] || [[Elendil|Captain Elendil]]
|-
| [[Cynthia Addai-Robinson]]|| [[Tar-Míriel|Queen Regent Míriel]]
|-
| [[Trystan Gravelle]]|| [[Pharazôn]]
|-
| [[Maxim Baldry]]|| [[Isildur]]
|-
| Anthony Crum || [[Ontamo]]
|-
| Alex Tarrant || [[Valandil (The Rings of Power)|Valandil]]
|-
| [[Ema Horvath]] || [[Eärien]]
|-
| [[Lenny Henry|Sir Lenny Henry]]|| [[Sadoc Burrows]]
|-
| [[Beau Cassidy]] || [[Dilly Brandyfoot]]
|-
| [[Markella Kavenagh]] || [[Elanor Brandyfoot|Elanor "Nori" Brandyfoot]]
|-
| [[Megan Richards]] || [[Poppy Proudfellow]]
|-
| [[Sara Zwangobani]] || [[Marigold Brandyfoot]]
|-
| [[Dylan Smith]] || [[Largo Brandyfoot]]
|-
| [[Daniel Weyman]] || [[The Stranger]]
|-
| [[Thusitha Jayasundera]] || [[Malva Meadowgrass|Malva]]
|-
| [[Maxine Cunliffe]] || [[Vilma]]
|-
| [[Joseph Mawle]] || [[Adar (The Rings of Power)|Adar]]
|-
| [[Jed Brophy]] || [[Vrath]]
|-
| Michael Morris || [[Númenóreans|Guardsman One]]
|-
| Antonio Te Maioha || [[Sail Master]]
|-
| Edward Clendon || [[Lurka]]
|-
| Luke Hawker || [[Magrot]]
|-
| Robert Strange || [[Orcs|Other Orc]]
|-
| Phil Grieve || [[Bazur]]
|-
| Preston O'Brien || [[Númenóreans|Guardsman Two]]
|-
| Phil Vaughan || [[Guild of Weaponsmiths|Smithy]]
|-
| [[Jason Hood]] || [[Tamar (The Rings of Power)|Tamar]]
|-
| Mana Hira Davis || [[Númenóreans|Worker One]]
|-
| Winham "Mu" Hammond || [[Númenóreans|Worker Two]]
|-
| Gabe Wright || [[Númenóreans|Messenger]]
|}

=== Uncredited ===
{| class="wikitable"
|- bgcolor="#CCCCCC"
! Actor !! Role
|-
| Amand Weaver || [[Men|Imprisoned Farmer]]<ref>https://m.imdb.com/title/tt11609034/fullcredits/cast?ref_=tt_ov_st_sm</ref>
|-
| Unknown actor || [[Imrahil (The Rings of Power)|Imrahil]]
|-
| Unknown horse || [[Berek]]
|-
| Ken Blackburn || [[Tar-Palantir]] (Off-camera, but in-scene)
|}

==Trivia==
Below is a list of trivia from Amazon's "X-Ray" feature that accompanied the episode.
* Scene 2 - "Most of the details and elaborations told herein are derived from '[[The Lord of the Rings]]', its prologue entitled '[[Concerning Hobbits]]', and its [[Appendices]], [[Appendix A|A]] through [[Appendix F|F]], where the intrepid traveler may journey to discover even farther horizons."
* Scene 6 - "Once slaves of the Dark Power themselves, [[orcs]] have been known to enslave even their own kind, and have often forced their conquered enemies into hard labor at their cruel hands. (Book VI, Chapter 2)"
* Scene 14 - "The central wharf of [[Númenor]]'s capital city is towered over by a statue of [[Earendil]] the Mariner, the [[half-elven]] savior of [[Middle-earth]] in the [[Elder Days]] and the forebear of this human kingdom's royal line. (Appendix A)"
* Scene 17 - "The ancestors of the [[Númenóreans]] were called the [[Edain]] - the men and women who first went west in [[Middle-earth]]. They were the allies of the [[elves]] in the [[First Age]] war against [[Morgoth]]. ([[Appendix A]])"
* Scene 20 - "[[Númenóreans]] are mariners of great renown, and lords of many ships on their island, which is also called [[Elenna]]. but they are forbidden from sailing [[west]] out of sight of their own shores, by the [[Ban of the Valar]], to prevent them from seeking the [[Undying Lands]] themselves. ([[Appendix F]]; [[Appendix A]])"
* Scene 23 - "It is a mark of evil things that came in the [[Great Darkness]] that they cannot abide the [[Sun]]. Some [[orcs]] can endure its light better than others, but they all hate it and only seldom will they journey in the open while the Sun shines. (Book III, Chapter 4)"
* Scene 25 - "[[Silvan]] elves hold a great love for trees, delighting in their wood and life within them, often watching them grow from acorns to ruinous old age. Given enough time, they say they might even hear the voices of the [[trees]] and understand their thoughts. (Book III, Chapter 8)"
* Scene 30 - "in contrast to the "lesser Men" or "low Men" who remained in [[Middle-earth]], the [[Númenóreans]] were gifted a life-span far greater than their cousins who were left behind - up to three times a normal human lifetime, in earlier days. ([[Appendix A]])"
* Scene 33 - "[[Elros]], the first king of [[Númenor]] who ruled under the name [[Tar-Minyatur]], was a half-elf like his brother [[Elrond]]. But when given the choice by the [[Valar]], he chose mortality and a human life. ([[Appendix A]])"
* Scene 35 - "[[Halflings]] delight in parties, and the Harvest Festival is a tradition meant to help the [[Harfoots]] prepare for the arduous migration that lies ahead."
* Scene 38 - "[[Harfoots]] use a pictographic "writing" system that uses symbols to convey meanings that can help to note important natural rhythms and tabulations which help them better prepare for future migrations."
* Scene 39 - "The wide-world is always around the [[Harfoots]]. They're vulnerable and unable to fence out the many dangers that exist for a small-sized creature like themselves."
* Scene 40 - "[[Sadoc Burrows]] is the [[Harfoot]]'s Trailfinder and leads the caravan. He uses his unique Star-book, passed down through the generations, to guide the [[Harfoots]] on the right course from one seasonal haven to the next."
* Scene 44 - "The [[Númenóreans]] love of the [[Sea]] extends to all elements of their culture. The statue in the center of this chamber is a personification of the Sea itself - as this was not, originally, a dungeon, but rather reappropriated as one sometime in the past."
* Scene 46 - "Everything the [[Harfoots]] own, they make or find and then carry with them inside their carts - their most valued possessions."
* Scene 48 - "[[Wargs]] are akin to [[wolves]], and are closely aligned with the [[orcs]] and the Darkness they serve. (Book II, Chapter 4)."

==Production==

==Deviations from Source Material ==
The ship that was shown at the very end of Episode 2 proves to be captained by Elendil. As in the last Episode, it is extremely unlikely humans would have been present in the part of the Sundering Seas where Elendil found Galadriel and Halbrand on the raft. The [[Númenóreans]] (the race to whom he belongs) were specifically forbidden from sailing so far West from their home that they could not see the shore. This prohibition was known as the [[Ban of the Valar]], which Elendil may have been in contravention of.

Other deviations from the source material pertaining to Númenor include:

* Míriel not knowing who Elendil was, when the source material notes they were, in fact, cousins and had known one another since childhood. In fact, Elendil's father was a member of her father's royal Council.
* Míriel was never Regent because her father Tar-Palantir was the reigning monarch until his death.
* Míriel speaks of a tradition which says that the [[White Tree|White Tree of Nimloth]] would shed blossoms as a sign of the Valar's displeasure. No such tradition is mentioned in the source material. It is also worthy of note that in the books, the White Tree bore fruit, not blossoms.
* There is no indication in the source material that Galadriel ever travelled to Númenor. She also can be heard telling the people that the Elves gave the island to men. This is incorrect: the Valar themselves created the Island of Númenor, drawing it out of the sea as a gift to men for their bravery in opposing Morgoth during the First Age.

==== Other People, Places and Things: ====
There is no indication in the source material that a stranger , possibly one of the Istari, landed in a meteorite and was found by Hobbits in the Second Age. Where references do exist to any the persons known as Wizards appearing on Middle Earth at this time, they always came among the Elves or among Men, and for a specific purpose. (See History of Middle Earth, Volume XII, "Late Writings".<ref>J.R.R Tolkien, Christopher Tolkien ed. The History of Middle Earth Vol XII: ''The Peoples of Middle Earth'' "Part XIII Late Writings". </ref>

It is unlikely that Durin III and Durin IV were actually father and son as shown in the show, since they lived many hundreds of years apart. Durin III recieved one of the original Rings of Power given to the Dwarves, and Durin IV was alive at the time of the War of the Last Alliance, which happened over 1700 years later. Given that the average lifespan for Dwarves was just over 200 years, the former was a distant ancestor of the latter.

==Reception==
* [https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/the_lord_of_the_rings_the_rings_of_power/s01/e03 Rotten Tomatoes Reviews]

{{references}}
== External links ==
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Hc4iK_t1Ek Episode 3 analysis by Rings & Realms]

{{rop-episodes}}
{{title}}

[[Category:The Rings of Power (TV series) episodes|03]]

Adar (episode)

2023-07-03T10:06:39Z

English Lady: /* Differences */

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{{Quote|[[Arondir]] finds himself a captive; [[Galadriel]] and [[Halbrand]] explore a legendary [[Númenor|kingdom]]; [[Elendil]] is given a new assignment; [[Nori]] faces the consequences.|Official Synopsis, [[Amazon Studios]]}}

'''Adar''' is the third episode of [[Amazon Studios]]'s television series, ''[[The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power]]'', released on [[9 September]], [[2022]].

==Synopsis==
===The Southlands===
[[Arondir]] finds himself taken to an [[Orc|Orcs]] enslavement camp in trenches somewhere in the [[Mordor|Southlands]], where many other humans and Elves, including Médhor and Revion, had been brought after capture. After Revion argues with the taskmasters Lurka and Vrath about a tree that the Orcs want felled, a leader of the camp, Magrot, offers the Elves water before abruptly killing Médhor in jest as he just so happened to be the last to drink the water.

At the end of the episode, Arondir, Revion, and a few others attempt a rebellion in the trench, tripping the taskmasters with their chains. Arondir saves Revion from a warg that is loosed upon them and impales Magrot in the neck with a tree-root, but Revion is shot to death after briefly climbing free out of the camp. Their attempt is quelled, and while Arondir is pinned to the ground, Lurka tells another Orc to summon Adar. Before the credits, Adar comes out as Orcs bow to him and chant his name, while his face is seen in a blur.

===Númenor===
[[Galadriel]] and [[Halbrand]] find themselves on a ship captained by [[Elendil]], headed toward [[Númenor]]. They travel up the river [[Siril]] and arrive at the capital city of [[Armenelos]]. At the city's high palace, they meet [[Tar-Míriel|Queen Regent Míriel]] and her chief advisor [[Ar-Pharazôn|Chancellor Pharazôn]], amid a large company of other [[Númenóreans]], presumably the [[Council of the Sceptre]]. Galadriel and Halbrand introduce themselves, and Míriel refuses to allow the two - particularly an [[Elves|Elf]] - passage back to [[Middle-earth]] as Galadriel requests.

Elendil is reluctant to let Galadriel escape Númenor when she tells him she is set on doing so, but the two establish friendship. He takes her to the kingdom's [[Hall of Lore]], where Galadriel discovers that the sigil of Sauron she had seen is in fact an abstract, sideview map of the Southlands, which Sauron intends to make into a new, committed realm. This realm would be located within the Southlands.

A young [[Isildur]], Elendil's son, is seen on a ship at sea near the island, training as a naval cadet with his friends Valandil and Ontamo, and others to get into the [[Guild of Venturers|Sea Guard]]. During their current voyage, the Sail Master's son, [[Imrahil (The Rings of Power)|Imrahil]], is rescued from being blown overboard.

After briefly trying and failing to get an apprenticeship with a smithy, Halbrand attempts to steal a guild crest from a man named Tamar. When Tamar and three other men confront him to take back the crest, Halbrand defeats them all in a street fight and is then arrested. At the prison, later, Galadriel tries convincing Halbrand again to accompany her to Middle-earth in order to redeem their blood-lines, as Sauron's endurance is the fault of the Elves who had warred against Morgoth, and of Halbrand's [[Ulfang|ancestors]] who were Morgoth's allies.

===The Harfoots===
The evening before the [[Harfoots]]' next migration, from the [[Norfield Glen]] to an orchard called the [[Grove]], [[The Stranger]] accidentally exposes himself to them while they are gathered commemorating their dead. Shocked at this, and angry at [[Elanor Brandyfoot|Nori's]] secret-keeping, the Harfoots confer what to do. Nori speaks out against their law concerning strangers and the outside world. On account of her youth, [[Sadoc Burrows]] forgives her deeds.

In the back of caravan the next day, departing from the woods, [[Largo Brandyfoot|Largo]] and [[Marigold Brandyfoot]] finally let the Stranger come along with them after he helps the family with their wagon.

==Cast==
:''In order of appearance'' (in episode credits)
{| class="wikitable"
|- bgcolor="#CCCCCC"
! Actor !! Role
|-
| [[Ismael Cruz Córdova]] || [[Arondir]]
|-
| [[Augustus Prew]] || [[Médhor]]
|-
| [[Simon Merrells]] || [[Revion|Watchwarden Revion]]
|-
| [[Morfydd Clark]] || [[Galadriel]]
|-
| [[Charlie Vickers]] || [[Halbrand]]
|-
| [[Lloyd Owen]] || [[Elendil|Captain Elendil]]
|-
| [[Cynthia Addai-Robinson]]|| [[Tar-Míriel|Queen Regent Míriel]]
|-
| [[Trystan Gravelle]]|| [[Pharazôn]]
|-
| [[Maxim Baldry]]|| [[Isildur]]
|-
| Anthony Crum || [[Ontamo]]
|-
| Alex Tarrant || [[Valandil (The Rings of Power)|Valandil]]
|-
| [[Ema Horvath]] || [[Eärien]]
|-
| [[Lenny Henry|Sir Lenny Henry]]|| [[Sadoc Burrows]]
|-
| [[Beau Cassidy]] || [[Dilly Brandyfoot]]
|-
| [[Markella Kavenagh]] || [[Elanor Brandyfoot|Elanor "Nori" Brandyfoot]]
|-
| [[Megan Richards]] || [[Poppy Proudfellow]]
|-
| [[Sara Zwangobani]] || [[Marigold Brandyfoot]]
|-
| [[Dylan Smith]] || [[Largo Brandyfoot]]
|-
| [[Daniel Weyman]] || [[The Stranger]]
|-
| [[Thusitha Jayasundera]] || [[Malva Meadowgrass|Malva]]
|-
| [[Maxine Cunliffe]] || [[Vilma]]
|-
| [[Joseph Mawle]] || [[Adar (The Rings of Power)|Adar]]
|-
| [[Jed Brophy]] || [[Vrath]]
|-
| Michael Morris || [[Númenóreans|Guardsman One]]
|-
| Antonio Te Maioha || [[Sail Master]]
|-
| Edward Clendon || [[Lurka]]
|-
| Luke Hawker || [[Magrot]]
|-
| Robert Strange || [[Orcs|Other Orc]]
|-
| Phil Grieve || [[Bazur]]
|-
| Preston O'Brien || [[Númenóreans|Guardsman Two]]
|-
| Phil Vaughan || [[Guild of Weaponsmiths|Smithy]]
|-
| [[Jason Hood]] || [[Tamar (The Rings of Power)|Tamar]]
|-
| Mana Hira Davis || [[Númenóreans|Worker One]]
|-
| Winham "Mu" Hammond || [[Númenóreans|Worker Two]]
|-
| Gabe Wright || [[Númenóreans|Messenger]]
|}

=== Uncredited ===
{| class="wikitable"
|- bgcolor="#CCCCCC"
! Actor !! Role
|-
| Amand Weaver || [[Men|Imprisoned Farmer]]<ref>https://m.imdb.com/title/tt11609034/fullcredits/cast?ref_=tt_ov_st_sm</ref>
|-
| Unknown actor || [[Imrahil (The Rings of Power)|Imrahil]]
|-
| Unknown horse || [[Berek]]
|-
| Ken Blackburn || [[Tar-Palantir]] (Off-camera, but in-scene)
|}

==Trivia==
Below is a list of trivia from Amazon's "X-Ray" feature that accompanied the episode.
* Scene 2 - "Most of the details and elaborations told herein are derived from '[[The Lord of the Rings]]', its prologue entitled '[[Concerning Hobbits]]', and its [[Appendices]], [[Appendix A|A]] through [[Appendix F|F]], where the intrepid traveler may journey to discover even farther horizons."
* Scene 6 - "Once slaves of the Dark Power themselves, [[orcs]] have been known to enslave even their own kind, and have often forced their conquered enemies into hard labor at their cruel hands. (Book VI, Chapter 2)"
* Scene 14 - "The central wharf of [[Númenor]]'s capital city is towered over by a statue of [[Earendil]] the Mariner, the [[half-elven]] savior of [[Middle-earth]] in the [[Elder Days]] and the forebear of this human kingdom's royal line. (Appendix A)"
* Scene 17 - "The ancestors of the [[Númenóreans]] were called the [[Edain]] - the men and women who first went west in [[Middle-earth]]. They were the allies of the [[elves]] in the [[First Age]] war against [[Morgoth]]. ([[Appendix A]])"
* Scene 20 - "[[Númenóreans]] are mariners of great renown, and lords of many ships on their island, which is also called [[Elenna]]. but they are forbidden from sailing [[west]] out of sight of their own shores, by the [[Ban of the Valar]], to prevent them from seeking the [[Undying Lands]] themselves. ([[Appendix F]]; [[Appendix A]])"
* Scene 23 - "It is a mark of evil things that came in the [[Great Darkness]] that they cannot abide the [[Sun]]. Some [[orcs]] can endure its light better than others, but they all hate it and only seldom will they journey in the open while the Sun shines. (Book III, Chapter 4)"
* Scene 25 - "[[Silvan]] elves hold a great love for trees, delighting in their wood and life within them, often watching them grow from acorns to ruinous old age. Given enough time, they say they might even hear the voices of the [[trees]] and understand their thoughts. (Book III, Chapter 8)"
* Scene 30 - "in contrast to the "lesser Men" or "low Men" who remained in [[Middle-earth]], the [[Númenóreans]] were gifted a life-span far greater than their cousins who were left behind - up to three times a normal human lifetime, in earlier days. ([[Appendix A]])"
* Scene 33 - "[[Elros]], the first king of [[Númenor]] who ruled under the name [[Tar-Minyatur]], was a half-elf like his brother [[Elrond]]. But when given the choice by the [[Valar]], he chose mortality and a human life. ([[Appendix A]])"
* Scene 35 - "[[Halflings]] delight in parties, and the Harvest Festival is a tradition meant to help the [[Harfoots]] prepare for the arduous migration that lies ahead."
* Scene 38 - "[[Harfoots]] use a pictographic "writing" system that uses symbols to convey meanings that can help to note important natural rhythms and tabulations which help them better prepare for future migrations."
* Scene 39 - "The wide-world is always around the [[Harfoots]]. They're vulnerable and unable to fence out the many dangers that exist for a small-sized creature like themselves."
* Scene 40 - "[[Sadoc Burrows]] is the [[Harfoot]]'s Trailfinder and leads the caravan. He uses his unique Star-book, passed down through the generations, to guide the [[Harfoots]] on the right course from one seasonal haven to the next."
* Scene 44 - "The [[Númenóreans]] love of the [[Sea]] extends to all elements of their culture. The statue in the center of this chamber is a personification of the Sea itself - as this was not, originally, a dungeon, but rather reappropriated as one sometime in the past."
* Scene 46 - "Everything the [[Harfoots]] own, they make or find and then carry with them inside their carts - their most valued possessions."
* Scene 48 - "[[Wargs]] are akin to [[wolves]], and are closely aligned with the [[orcs]] and the Darkness they serve. (Book II, Chapter 4)."

==Production==

==Deviations from Source Material ==
The ship that was shown at the very end of Episode 2 proves to be captained by Elendil. As in the last Episode, it is extremely unlikely humans would have been present in the part of the Sundering Seas where Elendil found Galadriel and Halbrand on the raft. The [[Númenóreans]] (the race to whom he belongs) were specifically forbidden from sailing so far West from their home that they could not see the shore. This prohibition was known as the [[Ban of the Valar]], which Elendil may have been in contravention of.

Other deviations from the source material pertaining to Númenor include:

* Míriel not knowing who Elendil was, when the source material notes they were, in fact, cousins and had known one another since childhood. In fact, Elendil's father was a member of her father's royal Council.
* Míriel was never Regent because her father Tar-Palantir was the reigning monarch until his death.
* Míriel speaks of a tradition which says that the [[White Tree|White Tree of Nimloth]] would shed blossoms as a sign of the Valar's displeasure. No such tradition is mentioned in the source material. It is also worthy of note that in the books, the White Tree bore fruit, not blossoms.
* There is no indication in the source material that Galadriel ever travelled to Númenor. She also can be heard telling the people that the Elves gave the island to men. This is incorrect: the Valar themselves created the Island of Númenor, drawing it out of the sea as a gift to men for their bravery in opposing Morgoth during the First Age.

==== Other People, Places and Things: ====
There is no indication in the source material that a stranger , possibly one of the Istari, landed in a meteorite and was found by Hobbits in the Second Age. Where references do exist to any the persons known as Wizards appearing on Middle Earth at this time, they always came among the Elves or among Men, and for a specific purpose. (See History of Middle Earth, Volume XII, "Late Writings".<ref>J.R.R Tolkien, Christopher Tolkien ed. The History of Middle Earth Vol XII: ''The Peoples of Middle Earth'' "Part XIII Late Writings". </ref>

It is unlikely that Durin III and Durin IV were actually father and son as shown in the show, since they lived many hundreds of years apart.

==Reception==
* [https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/the_lord_of_the_rings_the_rings_of_power/s01/e03 Rotten Tomatoes Reviews]

{{references}}
== External links ==
* [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Hc4iK_t1Ek Episode 3 analysis by Rings & Realms]

{{rop-episodes}}
{{title}}

[[Category:The Rings of Power (TV series) episodes|03]]

Adrift

2023-07-03T09:39:29Z

English Lady: /* Deviations from the Source Material */ Added citations and notes

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{{Quote|[[Galadriel]] finds a new [[Halbrand|ally]]; [[Elrond]] faces a cold reception from an old [[Durin IV|friend]]; [[Elanor Brandyfoot|Nori]] endeavors to help a [[The Stranger|Stranger]]; [[Arondir]] searches for answers while [[Bronwyn]] warns her [[Tirharad|people]] of a [[Orcs|threat]]."|Official Synopsis, [[Amazon Studios]]}}

'''Adrift''' is the second episode of [[Amazon Studios]]'s television series, ''[[The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power]]'', released on [[2 September]], [[2022]].

==Synopsis==
===The Harfoots===
[[Poppy Proudfellow|Poppy]] finds [[Elanor Brandyfoot]] at the crater, and they strenuously relocate the sleeping [[The Stranger|Stranger]] with a cart. When he awakes, Elanor struggles to communicate with him. Unsettled, he suddenly causes great winds with his voice, and utters strange words Elanor cannot interpret. Back at home, [[Largo Brandyfoot|Largo]] injures his ankle putting up a canopy.

Later in the episode, at evening, Poppy and Elanor meet with the Stranger again. They offer their help, unsure if he understands them. With telekinetic powers, he breaks open Poppy's firefly-lantern, and as the fireflies disperse, he speaks to them, entranced as the fly around. Then he arranges them into a certain constellation against the night sky, which Elanor believes to be a clue to find The Stranger's home. The fireflies drop dead afterwards.

===The Southlands===
In the fresh ruins of Hordern, where no survivors are present, [[Arondir]] and [[Bronwyn]] find and enter the burnt house of her friends [[Ciaran]] and [[Hana]]. Arondir goes alone into a tunnel below ground, leading from the house. By an underground pool, within the hour, he is suddenly seized into the dark by an unknown foe.

Back at Waldreg's tavern in [[Tirharad]], Bronwyn tries to convince the folk to spread the news of Hordern, but with no luck. At Bronwyn's house, Theo discovers beneath their floor-boards a long-hidden [[Orcs|Digger Orc]] (whose noise Theo had believed was caused by mice) just as Bronwyn returns home. As the Digger Orc emerges, they hide from him, and then desperately try to kill him. She manages to behead the Digger Orc. With his head, Bronwyn goes and convinces the town-folk to seek safety and relocate to the [[Watchtower of Ostirith]], the local outpost.

Theo privately inspects the strange weapon he had found with Rowan in the prior episode, and then embarks with his mother, as all citizens of Tirharad exit the town with their belongings toward Ostirith.

===Eregion and Khazad-dûm===
[[Elrond]] goes and meets [[Celebrimbor]] at [[Ost-in-Edhil]], capital of [[Eregion]], and marvels at [[Fëanor|Fëanor's hammer]], which was used to craft the [[Silmarils]]. Celebrimbor tells of his own new ambitions, requesting that Elrond assist him in attaining the means to build a specialized forge-tower, necessary for crafting things of real power. For this they go to [[Khazad-dûm]] to enlist the aid of the [[Dwarves]]. In Khazad-dûm, Elrond invokes the [[Rite of Sigin-tarâg]] to earn [[Durin IV|Prince Durin]]'s favor in the Dwarven test of endurance. He looses the test, but convinces him to hear his proposal. He joins Durin and his wife, [[Disa]], for dinner, and tells his proposal off-screen.

Durin later relays the proposal to King [[Durin III]], his father, who is untrusting, and cautious against the notion of cooperation between Dwarves and Elves. In the same room, Durin III opens a chest, and the two observe a precious shiny object within, blocked from view.

===The Sea===
Swimming back to [[Middle-earth]], Galadriel encounters a raft of stranded human mariners frightened of a nearby nameless thing known as the worm that had wrecked their ship. Among them are [[Halbrand]], Eamon, and Abigail. The worm soon finds them and destroys the raft, and Galadriel escapes with Halbrand only. Heading east, Halbrand questions Galadriel's business at sea, and after an argument, she is gratified to learn from him that Orcs are indeed still active on Middle-earth, as they had driven Halbrand from his home in the [[Mordor|Southlands]]. At dusk, the waters turn stormy, and Galadriel nearly drowns before Halbrand rescues her.

In the last moment of the episode, an unknown ship the next morning finds Galadriel and Halbrand wearily sleeping on their raft.

==Cast==
:''In order of appearance'' (in episode credits)
{| class="wikitable"
|- bgcolor="#CCCCCC"
! Actor !! Role
|-
| [[Morfydd Clark]] || [[Galadriel]]
|-
| [[Markella Kavenagh]] || [[Elanor Brandyfoot|Elanor "Nori" Brandyfoot]]
|-
| [[Daniel Weyman]] || [[The Stranger]]
|-
| [[Megan Richards]] || [[Poppy Proudfellow]]
|-
| [[Lenny Henry|Sir Lenny Henry]] || [[Sadoc Burrows]]
|-
| [[Thusitha Jayasundera]] || [[Malva Meadowgrass|Malva]]
|-
| [[Sara Zwangobani]] || [[Marigold Brandyfoot]]
|-
| [[Ismael Cruz Córdova]] || [[Arondir]]
|-
| [[Nazanin Boniadi]] || [[Bronwyn]]
|-
| [[Robert Aramayo]] || [[Elrond]]
|-
| [[Charles Edwards]] || [[Celebrimbor|Lord Celebrimbor]]
|-
| [[Owain Arthur]] || [[Durin IV|Prince Durin IV]]
|-
| [[Dylan Smith]] || [[Largo Brandyfoot]]
|-
| [[Maxine Cunliffe]] || [[Vilma]]
|-
| [[Charlie Vickers]] || [[Halbrand]]
|-
| [[Berynn Schwerdt]] || [[Eamon (The Rings of Power)|Eamon]]
|-
| [[Virginie Laverdure]] || [[Abigail]]
|-
| [[Jane Montgomery Griffiths]] || [[Astrid (The Rings of Power)|Astrid]]
|-
| [[Sophia Nomvete]] || [[Disa|Princess Disa]]
|-
| [[Geoff Morrell]] || [[Waldreg]]
|-
| [[Tyroe Muhafidin]] || [[Theo]]
|-
| [[Peter Tait]] || [[Tredwill]]
|-
| [[Peter Mullan]] || [[Durin III|King Durin III]]
|-
| [[Megan Lilly Wilding]] || [[Dwarves|Dwarf Guard]]
|-
| [[Paul Ballard]] || [[Dwarves|Sour-Faced Dwarf]]
|-
| [[Travis Graham]] || [[Dwarves|Beady-Eyed Dwarf]]
|-
| [[Paula Nazarski]] || [[Harfoots|Malva's Sister]]
|-
| [[Rosalie Button]] || [[Men|Survivor On Raft #1]]
|-
| [[Matt Bennett]] || [[Men|Survivor On Raft #2]]
|-
| [[Justin Doble]] || [[Men|Milky-Eyed Southlander]]
|-
| [[Nathan Mennis]] || [[Orcs|Digger Orc]]
|}

=== Uncredited ===
{| class="wikitable"
|- bgcolor="#CCCCCC"
! Actor !! Role
|-
| Unknown actor || [[Gamli]]
|-
| Unknown actor || [[Gerda]]
|}

==Trivia==
Below is a list of trivia from Amazon's "X-Ray" feature that accompanied the episode.
* '''Scene 2''' - "Most of the details and elaborations told herein are derived from '[[The Lord of the Rings]]', its prologue entitled '[[Concerning Hobbits]]', and its [[Appendices]], [[Appendix A|A]] through [[Appendix F|F]]', where the intrepid traveler may journey to discover even farther horizons."
* '''Scene 3''' - "There is music to be found everywhere in [[Middle-earth]]: From the rushing of the [[rivers]], to the voices of [[Ents]], to the minstrels of [[elves]] and [[dwarves]], [[men]] and [[halflings]] - song is woven throughout all the world's cultures and even the land itself."
* '''Scene 9''' - "Given their diminutive size, halflings called humans 'the Big Folk', and did their best to avoid crossing paths with them, thanks in part to their impressive knack for disappearing swiftly and silently. (Concerning Hobbits)"
* '''Scene 12''' - "[[Eregion]] is the newest elven realm in Middle-earth, to the west of the [[Misty Mountains]]. It was founded in the early [[Second Age]] by the [[Noldor]], [[High Elves]] especially known for their craftsmanship. ([[Appendix B]])."
* '''Scene 13''' - "This door is the original [[West-gate]] of [[Khazad-dum]]. On it are carved inscriptions in [[Cirth]], a runic alphabet originally derived by the elves, but adapted for dwarven purposes to carve their language into stone. ([[Appendix E]])"
* '''Scene 15''' - "Dwarves are shorter than elves and men, but they are tough, thrawn, laborious, and famously lovers of stone, gems, and all things created by craft. (Appendix F)"
* '''Scene 17''' - "Despite (or perhaps because of) the difficulties of an itinerant life and challenges of finding their next meal, halflings have a deep love of food and an undoubtedly adventurous appetite. They'd eat six meals a day if they could. (Concerning Hobbits)"
* '''Scene 22''' - "The [[Great Sea]], or The [[Sundering Seas]], divides the [[Undying Lands]] from Middle-earth - where there are still [[nameless things]] in the deepest places of the world. (Book III, Chapter 5)"
* '''Scene 25''' - "Elves and Dwarves have traditionally held many grievances against one another; embers of the dwarves' grudge against the elves lingers even from the [[Elder Days]]. (Appendix F)"
* '''Scene 28''' - "Like all of [[Khazad-dum]], [[Durin]]'s home is carved straight out of the mountain rock it's buried deep within, upheld by stone pillars. Gold and jewels are used generously, as there is no lack of such riches here, and magnificent lanterns keep the dark at bay. (Book II, Chapter 4)"
* '''Scene 29''' - "The Men of Middle-earth can be known to fear and misdoubt elves, yet they often know little of them. (Book IV, Chapter 5)"
* '''Scene 32''' - "[[Arondir]]'s armor is typical of his garrison of [[Silvan elves]], filled with natural influences of their many loves. The ring on his thumb bears the inscription: "May Your Arrows Sing" in [[Sindarin]]."
* '''Scene 34''' - "There are many kinds of orcs of differing sizes, best suited for specific purposes. They were first bred by the Dark Power of the North in the Elder Days. (Appendix F)"
* '''Scene 36''' - "Though immortal and hardy of body, elves may still die by injury and unnatural causes - including drowning."
* '''Scene 38''' - "The stars are especially beloved by the elves, who revere the [[Vala]] [[Elbereth]] (also called [[Varda]]), but all the cultures of Middle-earth have attributed constellations to the heavens above. (Book II, Chapter 8)"

==Production==

==Deviations from the Source Material ==
Galadriel encounters a raft with humans on board close to the area where she jumped from her ship. They say they are survivors of a shipwreck, and were presumably attempting to sail to Valinor. Humans were forbidden from trying to sail to Valinor by the Valar themselves, and often disappeared or were put under penalty of death if they tried to go there. Galadriel does not seem to know about this, however and just thinks it is normal to encounter humans in the Sundering Seas.

She meets a stranger by the name of Halbrand who says he was the ruler of an area known as "The Southlands". This region in the series is in the same area as what will become known as [[Mordor]]. However, in the source material it is stated in Tolkien's writings that Mordor was already a desolate wasteland noted for volcanic activity before the Second Age, and may already have been called Mordor which means "black land" because of that. <ref>J.R.R Tolkien, Christopher Tolkien ed. The History of Middle Earth Volume 12, ''The Peoples of Middle Earth. "''Part XIII: Late Writings" </ref>

The Southlands are never mentioned in the source material, and were apparently invented for the series as were all the characters who live there.

Harfoots are said to be "proto-Hobbits" or an ancestor of Hobbits, but The Fellowship of the Ring novel lists them as a one of three breeds of Hobbits, without any indication that they arose before the other two breeds. <ref name=":0">J.R.R Tolkien, ''The Fellowship of the Ring'', Prologue: Part 1 "Concerning Hobbits" </ref>There is also no clear indication of the presence of Hobbits in Middle Earth before the Second Age.

The protaganist's name. "Nori" is a shortened form of "Elinor". Elinor was the name of Samwise Gamgee's daughter as noted in ''The Lord of the Rings'' and some of Tolkien's later writings. It is of Sindarin derivation. It is unclear how and why one of the Harfoots, who are noted to be a reclusive species who fear strangers would have encountered Elves or become familiar enough with Sindarin to give their child a name in that language. In fact, the Prologue to the ''Fellowship of the Ring'' notes that the Harfoots "had much to do with Dwarves in ancient times" but does not mention any association with Elves or other Sindarin speakers. <ref name=":0" />

==Reception==

== External links ==
* https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wEuYPD_VttE

{{references}}

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Adrift

2023-07-03T09:28:16Z

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{{Quote|[[Galadriel]] finds a new [[Halbrand|ally]]; [[Elrond]] faces a cold reception from an old [[Durin IV|friend]]; [[Elanor Brandyfoot|Nori]] endeavors to help a [[The Stranger|Stranger]]; [[Arondir]] searches for answers while [[Bronwyn]] warns her [[Tirharad|people]] of a [[Orcs|threat]]."|Official Synopsis, [[Amazon Studios]]}}

'''Adrift''' is the second episode of [[Amazon Studios]]'s television series, ''[[The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power]]'', released on [[2 September]], [[2022]].

==Synopsis==
===The Harfoots===
[[Poppy Proudfellow|Poppy]] finds [[Elanor Brandyfoot]] at the crater, and they strenuously relocate the sleeping [[The Stranger|Stranger]] with a cart. When he awakes, Elanor struggles to communicate with him. Unsettled, he suddenly causes great winds with his voice, and utters strange words Elanor cannot interpret. Back at home, [[Largo Brandyfoot|Largo]] injures his ankle putting up a canopy.

Later in the episode, at evening, Poppy and Elanor meet with the Stranger again. They offer their help, unsure if he understands them. With telekinetic powers, he breaks open Poppy's firefly-lantern, and as the fireflies disperse, he speaks to them, entranced as the fly around. Then he arranges them into a certain constellation against the night sky, which Elanor believes to be a clue to find The Stranger's home. The fireflies drop dead afterwards.

===The Southlands===
In the fresh ruins of Hordern, where no survivors are present, [[Arondir]] and [[Bronwyn]] find and enter the burnt house of her friends [[Ciaran]] and [[Hana]]. Arondir goes alone into a tunnel below ground, leading from the house. By an underground pool, within the hour, he is suddenly seized into the dark by an unknown foe.

Back at Waldreg's tavern in [[Tirharad]], Bronwyn tries to convince the folk to spread the news of Hordern, but with no luck. At Bronwyn's house, Theo discovers beneath their floor-boards a long-hidden [[Orcs|Digger Orc]] (whose noise Theo had believed was caused by mice) just as Bronwyn returns home. As the Digger Orc emerges, they hide from him, and then desperately try to kill him. She manages to behead the Digger Orc. With his head, Bronwyn goes and convinces the town-folk to seek safety and relocate to the [[Watchtower of Ostirith]], the local outpost.

Theo privately inspects the strange weapon he had found with Rowan in the prior episode, and then embarks with his mother, as all citizens of Tirharad exit the town with their belongings toward Ostirith.

===Eregion and Khazad-dûm===
[[Elrond]] goes and meets [[Celebrimbor]] at [[Ost-in-Edhil]], capital of [[Eregion]], and marvels at [[Fëanor|Fëanor's hammer]], which was used to craft the [[Silmarils]]. Celebrimbor tells of his own new ambitions, requesting that Elrond assist him in attaining the means to build a specialized forge-tower, necessary for crafting things of real power. For this they go to [[Khazad-dûm]] to enlist the aid of the [[Dwarves]]. In Khazad-dûm, Elrond invokes the [[Rite of Sigin-tarâg]] to earn [[Durin IV|Prince Durin]]'s favor in the Dwarven test of endurance. He looses the test, but convinces him to hear his proposal. He joins Durin and his wife, [[Disa]], for dinner, and tells his proposal off-screen.

Durin later relays the proposal to King [[Durin III]], his father, who is untrusting, and cautious against the notion of cooperation between Dwarves and Elves. In the same room, Durin III opens a chest, and the two observe a precious shiny object within, blocked from view.

===The Sea===
Swimming back to [[Middle-earth]], Galadriel encounters a raft of stranded human mariners frightened of a nearby nameless thing known as the worm that had wrecked their ship. Among them are [[Halbrand]], Eamon, and Abigail. The worm soon finds them and destroys the raft, and Galadriel escapes with Halbrand only. Heading east, Halbrand questions Galadriel's business at sea, and after an argument, she is gratified to learn from him that Orcs are indeed still active on Middle-earth, as they had driven Halbrand from his home in the [[Mordor|Southlands]]. At dusk, the waters turn stormy, and Galadriel nearly drowns before Halbrand rescues her.

In the last moment of the episode, an unknown ship the next morning finds Galadriel and Halbrand wearily sleeping on their raft.

==Cast==
:''In order of appearance'' (in episode credits)
{| class="wikitable"
|- bgcolor="#CCCCCC"
! Actor !! Role
|-
| [[Morfydd Clark]] || [[Galadriel]]
|-
| [[Markella Kavenagh]] || [[Elanor Brandyfoot|Elanor "Nori" Brandyfoot]]
|-
| [[Daniel Weyman]] || [[The Stranger]]
|-
| [[Megan Richards]] || [[Poppy Proudfellow]]
|-
| [[Lenny Henry|Sir Lenny Henry]] || [[Sadoc Burrows]]
|-
| [[Thusitha Jayasundera]] || [[Malva Meadowgrass|Malva]]
|-
| [[Sara Zwangobani]] || [[Marigold Brandyfoot]]
|-
| [[Ismael Cruz Córdova]] || [[Arondir]]
|-
| [[Nazanin Boniadi]] || [[Bronwyn]]
|-
| [[Robert Aramayo]] || [[Elrond]]
|-
| [[Charles Edwards]] || [[Celebrimbor|Lord Celebrimbor]]
|-
| [[Owain Arthur]] || [[Durin IV|Prince Durin IV]]
|-
| [[Dylan Smith]] || [[Largo Brandyfoot]]
|-
| [[Maxine Cunliffe]] || [[Vilma]]
|-
| [[Charlie Vickers]] || [[Halbrand]]
|-
| [[Berynn Schwerdt]] || [[Eamon (The Rings of Power)|Eamon]]
|-
| [[Virginie Laverdure]] || [[Abigail]]
|-
| [[Jane Montgomery Griffiths]] || [[Astrid (The Rings of Power)|Astrid]]
|-
| [[Sophia Nomvete]] || [[Disa|Princess Disa]]
|-
| [[Geoff Morrell]] || [[Waldreg]]
|-
| [[Tyroe Muhafidin]] || [[Theo]]
|-
| [[Peter Tait]] || [[Tredwill]]
|-
| [[Peter Mullan]] || [[Durin III|King Durin III]]
|-
| [[Megan Lilly Wilding]] || [[Dwarves|Dwarf Guard]]
|-
| [[Paul Ballard]] || [[Dwarves|Sour-Faced Dwarf]]
|-
| [[Travis Graham]] || [[Dwarves|Beady-Eyed Dwarf]]
|-
| [[Paula Nazarski]] || [[Harfoots|Malva's Sister]]
|-
| [[Rosalie Button]] || [[Men|Survivor On Raft #1]]
|-
| [[Matt Bennett]] || [[Men|Survivor On Raft #2]]
|-
| [[Justin Doble]] || [[Men|Milky-Eyed Southlander]]
|-
| [[Nathan Mennis]] || [[Orcs|Digger Orc]]
|}

=== Uncredited ===
{| class="wikitable"
|- bgcolor="#CCCCCC"
! Actor !! Role
|-
| Unknown actor || [[Gamli]]
|-
| Unknown actor || [[Gerda]]
|}

==Trivia==
Below is a list of trivia from Amazon's "X-Ray" feature that accompanied the episode.
* '''Scene 2''' - "Most of the details and elaborations told herein are derived from '[[The Lord of the Rings]]', its prologue entitled '[[Concerning Hobbits]]', and its [[Appendices]], [[Appendix A|A]] through [[Appendix F|F]]', where the intrepid traveler may journey to discover even farther horizons."
* '''Scene 3''' - "There is music to be found everywhere in [[Middle-earth]]: From the rushing of the [[rivers]], to the voices of [[Ents]], to the minstrels of [[elves]] and [[dwarves]], [[men]] and [[halflings]] - song is woven throughout all the world's cultures and even the land itself."
* '''Scene 9''' - "Given their diminutive size, halflings called humans 'the Big Folk', and did their best to avoid crossing paths with them, thanks in part to their impressive knack for disappearing swiftly and silently. (Concerning Hobbits)"
* '''Scene 12''' - "[[Eregion]] is the newest elven realm in Middle-earth, to the west of the [[Misty Mountains]]. It was founded in the early [[Second Age]] by the [[Noldor]], [[High Elves]] especially known for their craftsmanship. ([[Appendix B]])."
* '''Scene 13''' - "This door is the original [[West-gate]] of [[Khazad-dum]]. On it are carved inscriptions in [[Cirth]], a runic alphabet originally derived by the elves, but adapted for dwarven purposes to carve their language into stone. ([[Appendix E]])"
* '''Scene 15''' - "Dwarves are shorter than elves and men, but they are tough, thrawn, laborious, and famously lovers of stone, gems, and all things created by craft. (Appendix F)"
* '''Scene 17''' - "Despite (or perhaps because of) the difficulties of an itinerant life and challenges of finding their next meal, halflings have a deep love of food and an undoubtedly adventurous appetite. They'd eat six meals a day if they could. (Concerning Hobbits)"
* '''Scene 22''' - "The [[Great Sea]], or The [[Sundering Seas]], divides the [[Undying Lands]] from Middle-earth - where there are still [[nameless things]] in the deepest places of the world. (Book III, Chapter 5)"
* '''Scene 25''' - "Elves and Dwarves have traditionally held many grievances against one another; embers of the dwarves' grudge against the elves lingers even from the [[Elder Days]]. (Appendix F)"
* '''Scene 28''' - "Like all of [[Khazad-dum]], [[Durin]]'s home is carved straight out of the mountain rock it's buried deep within, upheld by stone pillars. Gold and jewels are used generously, as there is no lack of such riches here, and magnificent lanterns keep the dark at bay. (Book II, Chapter 4)"
* '''Scene 29''' - "The Men of Middle-earth can be known to fear and misdoubt elves, yet they often know little of them. (Book IV, Chapter 5)"
* '''Scene 32''' - "[[Arondir]]'s armor is typical of his garrison of [[Silvan elves]], filled with natural influences of their many loves. The ring on his thumb bears the inscription: "May Your Arrows Sing" in [[Sindarin]]."
* '''Scene 34''' - "There are many kinds of orcs of differing sizes, best suited for specific purposes. They were first bred by the Dark Power of the North in the Elder Days. (Appendix F)"
* '''Scene 36''' - "Though immortal and hardy of body, elves may still die by injury and unnatural causes - including drowning."
* '''Scene 38''' - "The stars are especially beloved by the elves, who revere the [[Vala]] [[Elbereth]] (also called [[Varda]]), but all the cultures of Middle-earth have attributed constellations to the heavens above. (Book II, Chapter 8)"

==Production==

==Deviations from the Source Material ==
Galadriel encounters a raft with humans on board close to the area where she jumped from her ship. They say they are survivors of a shipwreck, and were presumably attempting to sail to Valinor. Humans were forbidden from trying to sail to Valinor by the Valar themselves, and often disappeared or were put under penalty of death if they tried to go there. Galadriel does not seem to know about this, however and just thinks it is normal to encounter humans in the Sundering Seas.

She meets a stranger by the name of Halbrand who says he was the ruler of an area known as "The Southlands". This region in the series is in the same area as what will become known as [[Mordor]]. However, in the source material it is stated in Tolkien's writings that Mordor was already a desolate wasteland noted for volcanic activity before the Second Age, and may already have been called Mordor which means "black land" because of that. <ref>J.R.R Tolkien, Christopher Tolkien ed. The History of Middle Earth Volume 12, ''The Peoples of Middle Earth. "''Part XIII: Late Writings" </ref>

The Southlands are never mentioned in the source material, and were apparently invented for the series as were all the characters who live there.

==Reception==

== External links ==
* https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wEuYPD_VttE

{{references}}

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The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power

2023-07-03T09:09:54Z

English Lady: /* Reception */ Added a few notes about reception and the questions of fidelity to source material.

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| name=The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power
| director=
| producer=[[J.D. Payne]] (showrunner) [[Patrick McKay]] (showrunner) Christina Morgan (executive producer) Lindsey Weber (executive producer) [[Callum Greene]] (executive producer) Justin Doble (executive producer) Gennifer Hutchison (executive producer) Jason Cahill (executive producer) [[J. A. Bayona]] (executive producer) Belén Atienza (executive producer) Eugene Kelly (executive producer) Bruce Richmond (executive producer) Sharon Tal Yguado (executive producer) Ron Ames Chris Newman
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'''''The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power''''', originally marketed as '''''The Lord of the Rings on Prime''''', is an online television series based on the writings of [[J.R.R. Tolkien]], namely ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'' and its [[The Lord of the Rings Appendices|Appendices]]. It is created and produced by [[Amazon Studios]] working alongside the [[Tolkien Estate]], the [[The Tolkien Trust|Tolkien Trust]], [[HarperCollins]] and [[New Line Cinema]]. Set in the [[Second Age]] of [[Middle-earth]],<ref name="AMSA">{{webcite|author=|articleurl=http://twitter.com/LOTRonPrime/status/1103656946509344768|articlename=Welcome to the Second Age:|dated=7 March 2019|website=Twitter|accessed=30 January 2020}}</ref> it explores new storylines preceding J.R.R. Tolkien's ''[[The Fellowship of the Ring]].''<ref name="AMNZ">{{webcite|author=|articleurl=http://press.aboutamazon.com/news-releases/news-release-details/amazon-studios-announces-new-zealand-location-its-upcoming|articlename=Amazon Studios Announces New Zealand as Location for Its Upcoming Series Based on The Lord of the Rings|dated=17 September 2019|website=Amazon|accessed=18 September 2019}}</ref> The story, which in Tolkien's writings spanned thousands of years, is condensed into a single point in time to avoid time jumps in the interest of narrative cohesion.<ref name="VanityFair"></ref> The first two episodes were released on [[1 September]] of [[2022]]<ref>{{webcite|author=|articleurl=https://www.whathifi.com/advice/how-to-watch-lord-of-the-rings-the-rings-of-power-release-date-trailer-cast-episodes|articlename=How to watch Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power – release date, trailer, cast, episodes available now|dated=2 September 2022|website=[https://www.whathifi.com/ What Hi-Fi]|accessed=10 October 2022}}</ref>, although they were originally scheduled to be released on [[2 September]] of the same year, the anniversary of J.R.R. Tolkien's death.<ref>{{webcite|author=@LOTRonPrime|articleurl=http://twitter.com/LOTRonPrime/status/1422255647106617359|articlename=A new journey beings|dated=2 August 2021|website=Twitter|accessed=2 August 2021}}</ref>

== Premise ==
{{blockquote|Amazon Studios' forthcoming series brings to screens for the very first time the heroic legends of the fabled Second Age of Middle-earth's history. This epic drama is set thousands of years before the events of J.R.R. Tolkien’s The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings, and will take viewers back to an era in which great powers were forged, kingdoms rose to glory and fell to ruin, unlikely heroes were tested, hope hung by the finest of threads, and the greatest villain that ever flowed from Tolkien's pen threatened to cover all the world in darkness. Beginning in a time of relative peace, the series follows an ensemble cast of characters, both familiar and new, as they confront the long-feared re-emergence of evil to Middle-earth. From the darkest depths of the Misty Mountains, to the majestic forests of the elf-capital of Lindon, to the breathtaking island kingdom of Númenor, to the furthest reaches of the map, these kingdoms and characters will carve out legacies that live on long after they are gone.|Official synopsis<ref>{{webcite|author=Justin Sewell|articleurl=http://www.theonering.net/torwp/2021/01/12/110065-exclusive-official-show-synopsis-for-amazons-lord-of-the-rings-series/|articlename=EXCLUSIVE: Official Show Synopsis for Amazon’s LORD OF THE RINGS Series|dated=12 January 2021|website=[http://www.theonering.net TheOneRing]|accessed=13 January 2021}}</ref>}}

== Source material and copyrights ==
The showrunners said that they wish to "come up with the novel Tolkien never wrote and do it as the mega-event series".<ref name="VanityFair"></ref> They explained that they only have the copyrights to adapt ''[[The Hobbit]]'' and ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'' along with its [[Appendices]], without the rights to ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', ''[[Unfinished Tales]]'' or other books that contain the vast majority of Tolkien's writings on the [[Second Age]].<ref name="VFQuestions">{{webcite|author=burning questions about amazons the rings of power|articleurl= https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2022/02/10-burning-questions-about-amazons-the-rings-of-power |articlename=Amazon’s Lord of the Rings Series: FAQ|dated=14 February 2022|website=[https://www.vanityfair.com/ Vanity Fair]|accessed=16 February 2022}}</ref>

== Episodes ==
=== [[The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power - Season 1|Season 1]] ===
# [[A Shadow of the Past]]
# [[Adrift]]
# [[Adar (episode)|Adar]]
# [[The Great Wave]]
# [[Partings]]
# [[Udûn (episode)|Udûn]]
# [[The Eye]]
# [[Alloyed]]

=== [[The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power - Season 2|Season 2]] ===

== Cast and characters ==
''In alphabetical order''
=== Main cast introduced in Season 1 ===
{| class="wikitable"
|- bgcolor="#CCCCCC"
! Actor !! Role
|-
| [[Cynthia Addai-Robinson]] || [[Tar-Míriel|Queen Regent Míriel]]<ref>{{webcite|author=The Lord of the Rings on Prime|articleurl=https://twitter.com/LOTRonPrime/status/1547418520400658432|articlename=Cynthia Addai-Robinson is Queen Regent Míriel|dated=14 February 2022|website=[https://twitter.com Twitter]|accessed=14 February 2022}}</ref>
|-
| [[Robert Aramayo]] || [[Elrond]]<ref>{{webcite|author=The Lord of the Rings on Prime|articleurl=https://twitter.com/LOTRonPrime/status/1492167519439925260|articlename=Robert Aramayo is Elrond. #LOTRROP|dated=9 June 2022|website=[https://twitter.com Twitter]|accessed=11 June 2022}}</ref>
|-
| [[Owain Arthur]] || [[Durin IV|Prince Durin IV]]<ref>{{webcite|author=The Lord of the Rings on Prime|articleurl=https://twitter.com/LOTRonPrime/status/1492168323051802626|articlename=Owain Arthur is Prince Durin IV. #LOTRROP|dated=9 June 2022|website=[https://twitter.com Twitter]|accessed=11 June 2022}}</ref>
|-
| [[Maxim Baldry]] || [[Isildur]]<ref>{{webcite|author=The Lord of the Rings on Prime|articleurl=https://twitter.com/LOTRonPrime/status/1547417633603059712|articlename=Maxim Baldry is Isildur|dated=14 February 2022|website=[https://twitter.com Twitter]|accessed=14 February 2022}}</ref>
|-
| [[Nazanin Boniadi]] || [[Bronwyn]]<ref>{{webcite|author=The Lord of the Rings on Prime|articleurl=https://twitter.com/LOTRonPrime/status/1492168861403299841|articlename=Nazanin Boniadi is Bronwyn. #LOTRROP|dated=9 June 2022|website=[https://twitter.com Twitter]|accessed=11 June 2022}}</ref>
|-
| [[Morfydd Clark]] || [[Galadriel]]<ref>{{webcite|author=The Lord of the Rings on Prime|articleurl=https://twitter.com/LOTRonPrime/status/1492167351902609413|articlename=Morfydd Clark is Galadriel. #LOTRROP|dated=9 June 2022|website=[https://twitter.com Twitter]|accessed=11 June 2022}}</ref>
|-
| [[Ismael Cruz Córdova]] || [[Arondir]]<ref>{{webcite|author=The Lord of the Rings on Prime|articleurl=https://twitter.com/LOTRonPrime/status/1492168672051445771|articlename=Ismael Cruz Cordova is Arondir. #LOTRROP|dated=9 June 2022|website=[https://twitter.com Twitter]|accessed=11 June 2022}}</ref>
|-
| [[Charles Edwards]] || [[Celebrimbor|Lord Celebrimbor]]<ref>{{webcite|author=The Lord of the Rings on Prime|articleurl=https://twitter.com/LOTRonPrime/status/1534220750311174144|articlename=Charles Edwards is Celebrimbor|dated=14 February 2022|website=[https://twitter.com Twitter]|accessed=14 February 2022}}</ref>
|-
| [[Trystan Gravelle]] || [[Pharazôn]]<ref>{{webcite|author=The Lord of the Rings on Prime|articleurl=https://twitter.com/LOTRonPrime/status/1547418058515521537|articlename=Trystan Gravelle is Pharazôn|dated=14 February 2022|website=[https://twitter.com Twitter]|accessed=14 February 2022}}</ref>
|-
| [[Lenny Henry|Sir Lenny Henry]] || [[Sadoc Burrows]]<ref>{{webcite|author=The Lord of the Rings on Prime|articleurl=https://twitter.com/LOTRonPrime/status/1533945721929420800#m|articlename=Sir Lenny Henry is Sadoc Burrows. #LOTRROP|dated=9 June 2022|website=[https://twitter.com Twitter]|accessed=11 June 2022}}</ref>
|-
| [[Ema Horvath]] || [[Eärien]]<ref>{{webcite|author=The Lord of the Rings on Prime|articleurl=https://twitter.com/LOTRonPrime/status/1547417835961552896|articlename=Ema Horvath is Eärien|dated=14 February 2022|website=[https://twitter.com Twitter]|accessed=14 February 2022}}</ref>
|-
| [[Markella Kavenagh]] || [[Elanor Brandyfoot|Elanor 'Nori' Brandyfoot]]<ref>{{webcite|author=The Lord of the Rings on Prime|articleurl=https://twitter.com/LOTRonPrime/status/1493253881651937283|articlename=Markella Kavenagh is Elanor ‘Nori’ Brandyfoot|dated=14 February 2022|website=[https://twitter.com Twitter]|accessed=14 February 2022}}</ref>
|-
| [[Joseph Mawle]] || [[Adar (The Rings of Power)|Adar]]
|-
| [[Tyroe Muhafidin]] || [[Theo]]<ref>{{webcite|author=The Lord of the Rings on Prime|articleurl=https://mobile.twitter.com/LOTRonPrime/status/1516457306497581056|articlename=Tyroe Muhafidin is Theo. #LOTRROP #RingsofPower|dated=19 April 2022|website=[https://twitter.com Twitter]|accessed=19 April 2022}}</ref>
|-
| [[Sophia Nomvete]] || [[Disa|Princess Disa]] <ref>{{webcite|author=The Lord of the Rings on Prime|articleurl=https://twitter.com/LOTRonPrime/status/1492168418358874123|articlename=Sophia Nomvete is Princess Disa. #LOTRROP|dated=9 June 2022|website=[https://twitter.com Twitter]|accessed=11 June 2022}}</ref>
|-
| [[Lloyd Owen]] || [[Elendil|Captain Elendil]]<ref>{{webcite|author=The Lord of the Rings on Prime|articleurl=https://twitter.com/LOTRonPrime/status/1547417424361885696|articlename=Lloyd Owen is Elendil|dated=14 February 2022|website=[https://twitter.com Twitter]|accessed=14 February 2022}}</ref>
|-
| [[Megan Richards]] || [[Poppy Proudfellow]]<ref>{{webcite|author=The Lord of the Rings on Prime|articleurl=https://twitter.com/LOTRonPrime/status/1534982703908433920#m|articlename=Megan Richards is Poppy Proudfellow. #LOTRROP|dated=9 June 2022|website=[https://twitter.com Twitter]|accessed=11 June 2022}}</ref>
|-
| [[Dylan Smith]] || [[Largo Brandyfoot]]<ref>{{webcite|author=The Lord of the Rings on Prime|articleurl=https://twitter.com/LOTRonPrime/status/1534982400869945344#m|articlename=Dylan Smith is Largo Brandyfoot. #LOTRROP|dated=9 June 2022|website=[https://twitter.com Twitter]|accessed=11 June 2022}}</ref>
|-
| [[Charlie Vickers]] || [[Halbrand]]<ref>{{webcite|author=The Lord of the Rings on Prime|articleurl=https://twitter.com/LOTRonPrime/status/1492169017741778944|articlename=Charlie Vickers is Halbrand. #LOTRROP|dated=9 June 2022|website=[https://twitter.com Twitter]|accessed=11 June 2022}}</ref>
|-
| [[Leon Wadham]] || [[Kemen (The Rings of Power)|Kemen]]<ref>{{webcite|author=The Lord of the Rings on Prime|articleurl=https://twitter.com/LOTRonPrime/status/1547418271141560321|articlename=Leon Wadham is Kemen|dated=14 February 2022|website=[https://twitter.com Twitter]|accessed=14 February 2022}}</ref>
|-
| [[Benjamin Walker]] || [[Gil-galad|High King Gil-galad]]<ref>{{webcite|author=The Lord of the Rings on Prime|articleurl=https://twitter.com/LOTRonPrime/status/1493253777415098372|articlename=Benjamin Walker is High King Gil-galad|dated=14 February 2022|website=[https://twitter.com Twitter]|accessed=14 February 2022}}</ref>
|-
| [[Daniel Weyman]] || [[The Stranger]]<ref>{{webcite|author=The Lord of the Rings on Prime|articleurl=https://twitter.com/LOTRonPrime/status/1493253972639076352|articlename=Daniel Weyman is The Stranger|dated=14 February 2022|website=[https://twitter.com Twitter]|accessed=14 February 2022}}</ref>
|-
| [[Sara Zwangobani]] || [[Marigold Brandyfoot]]<ref>{{webcite|author=The Lord of the Rings on Prime|articleurl=https://twitter.com/LOTRonPrime/status/1534982566448533504#m|articlename=Sara Zwangobani is Marigold Brandyfoot. #LOTRROP|dated=9 June 2022|website=[https://twitter.com Twitter]|accessed=11 June 2022}}</ref>
|}

=== Introduced in Season 2 ===
{| class="wikitable"
|- bgcolor="#CCCCCC"
! Actor !! Role
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| Unknown actor (rumored to be [[Michael Elsworth]]) || [[Círdan]]<ref>{{webcite|author=|articleurl=https://time.com/6205027/cirdan-the-rings-of-power-season-2/|articlename=Exclusive: This Fan-Favorite Character Is Joining the Second Season of The Rings of Power|dated=15 August 2022|website=Time.com|accessed=4 January 2023}}</ref>
|-
| [[Samuel Hazeldine]]<ref>{{webcite|author=The Lord of the Rings on Prime|articleurl=https://twitter.com/LOTRonPrime/status/1598337442565820418|articlename=Welcome Sam Hazeldine (@samuelhazeldine) to the cast of #TheRingsOfPower! (4/7)|dated=1 December 2022|website=[https://twitter.com Twitter]|accessed=5 February 2023}}</ref> || [[Adar (The Rings of Power)|Adar]]<ref name="IMBD">https://m.imdb.com/title/tt13580784/?ref_=m_ttep_ep_ep1</ref>
|-
| [[Gabriel Akuwudike]]<ref>{{webcite|author=The Lord of the Rings on Prime|articleurl=https://twitter.com/LOTRonPrime/status/1598333935305490433|articlename=Welcome Gabriel Akuwudike to the cast of #TheRingsOfPower! (1/7)|dated=1 December 2022|website=[https://twitter.com Twitter]|accessed=5 February 2023}}</ref> || TBA
|-
| [[Oliver Alvin-Wilson]]<ref>{{webcite|author=The Lord of the Rings on Prime|articleurl=https://twitter.com/LOTRonPrime/status/1600507964863004672|articlename=Join us in welcoming Oliver Alvin-Wilson (@Oliver_A_Wilson) to the cast of #TheRingsOfPower! (1/8)|dated=7 December 2022|website=[https://twitter.com Twitter]|accessed=5 February 2023}}</ref> || TBA
|-
| [[Yasen Atour]]<ref>{{webcite|author=The Lord of the Rings on Prime|articleurl=https://twitter.com/LOTRonPrime/status/1598334954622042112|articlename=Welcome Yasen ‘Zates’ Atour (@YasenAtour) to the cast of #TheRingsOfPower! (2/7)|dated=1 December 2022|website=[https://twitter.com Twitter]|accessed=5 February 2023}}</ref> || TBA
|-
| [[Stuart Bowman]]<ref>{{webcite|author=The Lord of the Rings on Prime|articleurl=https://twitter.com/LOTRonPrime/status/1600509263301976064|articlename=Join us in welcoming Stuart Bowman (@stuartbowman) to the cast of #TheRingsOfPower! (2/8)|dated=7 December 2022|website=[https://twitter.com Twitter]|accessed=5 February 2023}}</ref> || TBA
|-
| [[Gavi Singh Chera]]<ref>{{webcite|author=The Lord of the Rings on Prime|articleurl=https://twitter.com/LOTRonPrime/status/1600510517084409858|articlename=Join us in welcoming Gavi Singh Chera to the cast of #TheRingsOfPower! (3/8)|dated=7 December 2022|website=[https://twitter.com Twitter]|accessed=5 February 2023}}</ref> || TBA
|-
| [[William Chubb]]<ref>{{webcite|author=The Lord of the Rings on Prime|articleurl=https://twitter.com/LOTRonPrime/status/1600511729787699205|articlename=Join us in welcoming William Chubb to the cast of #TheRingsOfPower! (4/8)|dated=7 December 2022|website=[https://twitter.com Twitter]|accessed=5 February 2023}}</ref> || TBA
|-
| [[Ben Daniels]]<ref>{{webcite|author=The Lord of the Rings on Prime|articleurl=https://twitter.com/LOTRonPrime/status/1598336189869699072|articlename=Welcome Ben Daniels to the cast of #TheRingsOfPower! (3/7)|dated=1 December 2022|website=[https://twitter.com Twitter]|accessed=5 February 2023}}</ref> || TBA
|-
| [[Kevin Eldon]]<ref>{{webcite|author=The Lord of the Rings on Prime|articleurl=https://twitter.com/LOTRonPrime/status/1600513054747361280|articlename=Join us in welcoming Kevin Eldon (@ItsKevinEldon) to the cast of #TheRingsOfPower! (5/8)|dated=7 December 2022|website=[https://twitter.com Twitter]|accessed=5 February 2023}}</ref> || TBA
|-
| [[Ciarán Hinds]] || TBA
|-
| [[William Keen]]<ref>{{webcite|author=The Lord of the Rings on Prime|articleurl=https://twitter.com/LOTRonPrime/status/1600514258411917312|articlename=Join us in welcoming Will Keen to the cast of #TheRingsOfPower! (6/8)|dated=7 December 2022|website=[https://twitter.com Twitter]|accessed=5 February 2023}}</ref> || TBA
|-
| [[Amelia Kenworthy]]<ref>{{webcite|author=The Lord of the Rings on Prime|articleurl=https://twitter.com/LOTRonPrime/status/1598338715633565702|articlename=Welcome Amelia Kenworthy (@ameliakenworthy) to the cast of #TheRingsOfPower! (5/7)|dated=1 December 2022|website=[https://twitter.com Twitter]|accessed=5 February 2023}}</ref> || TBA
|-
| [[Rory Michael Kinnear]] || TBA
|-
| [[Selina Lo]]<ref>{{webcite|author=The Lord of the Rings on Prime|articleurl=https://twitter.com/LOTRonPrime/status/1600515507895033857|articlename=Join us in welcoming Selina Lo (@itsselinalo) to the cast of #TheRingsOfPower! (7/8)|dated=7 December 2022|website=[https://twitter.com Twitter]|accessed=5 February 2023}}</ref> || TBA
|-
| [[Calam Lynch]]<ref>{{webcite|author=The Lord of the Rings on Prime|articleurl=https://twitter.com/LOTRonPrime/status/1600516761618714628|articlename=Join us in welcoming Calam Lynch (@CalamLynch94) to the cast of #TheRingsOfPower! (8/8)|dated=7 December 2022|website=[https://twitter.com Twitter]|accessed=5 February 2023}}</ref> || TBA
|-
| [[Tanya Moodie]] || TBA
|-
| [[Nia Towle]]<ref>{{webcite|author=The Lord of the Rings on Prime|articleurl=https://twitter.com/LOTRonPrime/status/1598339999946113024|articlename=Welcome Nia Towle to the cast of #TheRingsOfPower! (6/7)|dated=1 December 2022|website=[https://twitter.com Twitter]|accessed=5 February 2023}}</ref> || TBA
|-
| [[Nicholas Woodeson]]<ref>{{webcite|author=The Lord of the Rings on Prime|articleurl=https://twitter.com/LOTRonPrime/status/1598341285018058755|articlename=Welcome Nicholas Woodeson (@NickWoodeson) to the cast of #TheRingsOfPower! (7/7)|dated=1 December 2022|website=[https://twitter.com Twitter]|accessed=5 February 2023}}</ref> || TBA
|}

== Production ==
=== Development ===
[[File:The Rings of Power (TV series) - Middle-earth map 1.jpg|thumb|300px|Fourth map of Middle-earth, released by Amazon on 6 March 2019]]
On [[3 November]] [[2017]], it was reported that Amazon Studios were in discussion with Warner Bros. Television and the [[Tolkien Estate]] about developing a series based on ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]''.<ref>{{webcite|author=Daniel Holloway|articleurl=http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/lord-of-the-rings-amazon-1202606519/|articlename='Lord of the Rings': Amazon, Warner Bros. in Talks for Series Adaptation (EXCLUSIVE)|dated=3 November 2017|website=[http://variety.com/ Variety]|accessed=30 January 2020}}</ref> Later, in November, Amazon Studios announced they have secured the rights to develop a multi-season television series set in Middle-earth with the potential for spin-offs.<ref>{{webcite|author=Joe Otterson|articleurl=http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/lord-of-the-rings-tv-series-amazon-1202613609/|articlename=‘Lord of the Rings’ Series Moving Forward at Amazon With Multi-Season Production Commitment|dated=13 November 2017|website=[http://variety.com/ Variety]|accessed=31 July 2019}}</ref> The rights have been said to have cost close to $250 million.<ref name="DLAZ">{{webcite|author=Nellie Andreeva|articleurl=http://deadline.com/2017/11/amazon-the-lord-of-the-rings-tv-series-multi-season-commitment-1202207065/|articlename=Amazon Sets ‘The Lord of the Rings’ TV Series In Mega Deal With Multi-Season Commitment|dated=13 November 2017|website=Deadline|accessed=30 January 2020}}</ref> Amazon Studios would cooperate in the production with the Tolkien Estate, [[The Tolkien Trust]], [[HarperCollins]] and [[New Line Cinema]].<ref name="DLAZ"/>

On [[13 February]] [[2019]], Amazon's then newly created [http://twitter.com/LOTRonPrime Twitter account] associated with the show posted the quote "I wisely started with a map.", taken from Tolkien's [[Letter 144]].<ref>{{webcite|author=|articleurl=http://twitter.com/LOTRonPrime/status/1095797330127646721|articlename=“I wisely started with a map” — J.R.R. Tolkien|dated=13 February 2019|website=Twitter|accessed=30 January 2020}}</ref> On [[15 February]], the Twitter account released a map of Middle-earth along with a line of the [[Ring Verse]], over the next few weeks different versions of the map were released with each successive one including more labels than the previous as well as more lines from the verse. On [[7 March]], the final map was released which showed a wider view of Middle-earth, including the island of [[Númenor]] and the final post "Welcome to the Second Age".<ref name="AMSA"/> [[Tom Shippey]] and artist [[John Howe]] had worked on the accuracy of the maps, however dedicated [[Tolkien fandom|fans]] had detected several mistakes and anachronisms.<ref>{{webcite|articleurl=http://narniafans.com/2019/08/interview-with-narnia-conceptual-designer-john-howe/|articlename=Interview with John Howe|website=Narnia Fans|accessed=25 June 2020}}</ref>

The fact the series were going to be set in the [[Second Age]] was predicted by [[Tolkien Society]] Chair [[Shaun Gunner]] in February.<ref>{{webcite|website=Twitter|accessed=15 February 2020|dated=18 February 2019|articleurl=http://twitter.com/ShaunGunner/status/1097505289618841601|articlename=Shaun Gunner on Twitter}}</ref>

On [[27 July]] 2019, a video was published that introduced the creative team; [[J.D. Payne]] and [[Patrick McKay]] were announced as the showrunners, the writing team consisting of Gennifer Hutchison, Helen Shang, Jason Cahill, Glenise Mullins, Justin Dohle, Stephany Folsom and Bryan Cogman, Belén Atienza, Bruce Richmond, Gene Kelly and Lindsey Weber as executive producers, Ron Ames as co-producer, Kate Hawley as costume designer, Rick Heinrichs as production designer and Jason Smith as visual effects supervisor. The team will also include Tolkien scholar [[Tom Shippey]] and artist [[John Howe]]. [[J. A. Bayona|Bayona]] will direct the first two episodes.<ref>{{webcite|author=|articleurl=http://twitter.com/LOTRonPrime/status/1155142047420080129|articlename=''Meet our Fellowship''|dated=27 July 2019|website=Twitter|accessed=30 January 2020}}</ref> In an interview with the German Tolkien Society, scholar [[Tom Shippey]] stated that events from the First and Third Ages are "off-limits".<ref>{{webcite|author=Tobias M. Eckrich |articleurl=http://www.tolkiengesellschaft.de/30918/exklusive-interview-with-tom-shippey-concerning-lotronprime/|articlename=Exclusive interview with Tom Shippey concerning LOTRonPrime|dated=29 July 2019|website=[http://www.tolkiengesellschaft.de Deutche Tolkien Gesellschaft]|accessed=6 August 2019}}</ref>

On [[17 September]] 2019, Amazon Studios announced that the series first season would be filmed in New Zealand.<ref name="AMNZ"/>

On [[18 November]] 2019, Amazon Studios Head Jennifer Salke announced that the series has been renewed for a second season.<ref>{{webcite|author=Nellie Andreeva|articleurl=http://deadline.com/2019/11/the-lord-of-the-rings-series-renewed-season-2-amazon-early-renewal-season-1-hiatus-writers-room-reassembled-1202788730/|articlename=‘The Lord Of the Rings’ Series Gets Early Season 2 Renewal By Amazon, Sets Season 1 Hiatus|dated=18 November 2019|website=Deadline|accessed=17 March 2020}}</ref>

Due to the COVID-19 pandemic, production of the series first season was suspended.<ref>{{webcite|author=Chris Keall|articleurl=http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12316871|articlename=Coronavirus: Amazon's Lord of the Rings production in West Auckland shut down|dated=15 March 2020|website=[http://www.nzherald.co.nz/ The New Zealand Herald]|accessed=17 July 2020}}</ref> On 9 May 2020 the New Zealand Film Commission has allowed the production of film and TV to continue in the country.<ref>{{webcite|author=|articleurl=http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=12330716|articlename=Covid 19 coronavirus: Avatar, Lord Of The Rings filming resumes in NZ|dated=9 May 2020|website=[http://www.nzherald.co.nz/ The New Zealand Herald]|accessed=17 July 2020}}</ref>

In December 2020, [[Bryan Cogman]] left the series for Entertainment One, after completing work on the scripts for the first season.<ref>{{webcite|author=Lesley Goldberg |articleurl=http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/bryan-cogman-moves-overall-deal-to-eone-exclusive|articlename=Bryan Cogman Moves Overall Deal to eOne (Exclusive)|dated=7 December 2020|website=The Hollywood Reporter|accessed=15 December 2020}}</ref>

On [[24 March]] [[2021]], Amazon Studios announced that [[Wayne Che Yip]] had joined the creative team, as both a co-executive producer and director.<ref>{{webcite|author=Matt Grobar|articleurl=http://deadline.com/2021/03/wayne-che-yip-boards-lord-of-the-rings-series-director-co-ep-amazon-studios-1234720477/|articlename=Wayne Che Yip Boards ‘The Lord Of The Rings’ Series As Director & Co-EP, Will Helm Four Episodes Of Amazon Original|dated=24 March 2021|website=[http://deadline.com/ Deadline]|accessed=5 April 2021}}</ref>

In May 2021, it was announced that [[Charlotte Brändström]] would direct another two episodes.<ref>{{webcite|author=Matt Grobar|articleurl=https://deadline.com/2021/05/the-witcher-charlotte-brandstrom-amazons-the-lord-of-the-rings-series-1234755360/|articlename=‘The Witcher’ Director Charlotte Brändström Joins Amazon’s ‘The Lord Of The Rings’ Series
|dated=13 May 2021|website=[http://deadline.com/ Deadline]|accessed=21 August 2021}}</ref>

In September 2021, it was reported that [[Howard Shore]] and [[Bear McCreary]] were in talks to compose the soundtrack for the series.<ref>{{webcite|articleurl=https://www.theonering.net/torwp/2021/09/19/111495-howard-shore-and-bear-mccreary-to-soundtrack-lotr-on-prime-series/|articlename=Howard Shore and Bear McCreary to soundtrack LOTR on Prime series|dated=September 19, 2021|website=TheOneRing.net|accessed=September 20, 2021}}</ref> In July 2022, it was officially announced their hiring, with McCreary announced to be composing the score and Shore to be writing the main title theme.<ref>{{webcite|articleurl=https://www.rollingstone.co.uk/tv/news/bear-mccreary-confirmed-as-composer-of-the-lord-of-the-rings-the-rings-of-power-20549/|articlename=Composer Bear McCreary to score ‘The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power’|dated=July 21, 2022|website=Rolling Stone UK|accessed=December 03, 2022}}</ref>

On [[3 October]] 2022, production for the second season of the series begun in the United Kingdom.<ref>{{webcite|articleurl=https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/the-rings-of-power-season-2-filming-1235231978/|articlename=The Rings of Power' Season 2 Starts Production in the U.K.|dated=July 21, 2022|website=The Hollywood Reporter|accessed=December 03, 2022}}</ref>

=== Casting ===
On 22 July 2019, it was reported that Amazon has made its first cast for the new series that Markella Kavenagh was in talks to play a character named "Tyra".<ref>{{webcite|author=Joe Otterson|articleurl=http://variety.com/2019/tv/news/lord-of-the-rings-series-amazon-cast-markella-kavenagh-1203268175|articlename=‘Lord of the Rings’ Series at Amazon Taps First Cast Member (EXCLUSIVE)|dated=22 July 2019|website=[http://variety.com/ Variety]|accessed=22 October 2019}}</ref>

Will Poulter was cast for an unknown role in September 2019<ref>{{webcite|author=Joe Otterson|articleurl=http://variety.com/2019/tv/news/lord-of-the-rings-series-amazon-will-poulter-cast-1203321951/|articlename=‘Lord of The Rings’ Series at Amazon Casts Will Poulter (EXCLUSIVE)|dated=4 September 2019|website=[http://variety.com/ Variety]|accessed=22 October 2019}}</ref> however in December it was reported that he left the series due to scheduling conflicts.<ref>{{webcite|author=Joe Otterson|articleurl=http://variety.com/2019/tv/news/lord-of-the-rings-series-amazon-will-poulter-1203433273/|articlename=‘Lord of the Rings’: Will Poulter No Longer Attached to Amazon Series (EXCLUSIVE)|dated=12 December 2019|website=[http://variety.com/ Variety]|accessed=13 December 2019}}</ref> This was later confirmed by Poulter in an interview.<ref>{{webcite|author=Will Richards|articleurl=http://www.nme.com/news/tv/will-poulter-explains-why-he-left-amazons-lord-of-the-rings-tv-series-2706105|articlename=Will Poulter explains why he left Amazon's 'Lord Of The Rings' TV series|dated=12 July 2020|website=[http://www.nme.com/ NME]|accessed=17 July 2020}}</ref> He was replaced by Robert Aramayo who was reported to be playing a character named "Beldor".<ref>{{webcite|author=Nellie Andreeva|articleurl=http://deadline.com/2020/01/robert-aramayo-cast-the-lord-of-the-rings-amazon-tv-series-game-of-thrones-alum-cast-1202823073/|articlename='The Lord Of the Rings': Robert Aramayo To Star In Amazon TV Series|dated=7 January 2020|website=Deadline|accessed=15 January 2020}}</ref>

In October 2019, it was reported that Maxim Baldry<ref>{{webcite|author=Jeff Sneider|articleurl=http://collider.com/lord-of-the-rings-tv-series-cast-maxim-baldry/|articlename=Exclusive: ‘Lord of the Rings’ TV Series Adds ‘Years and Years’ Star Maxim Baldry|dated=15 October 2019|website=Collider|accessed=13 December 2019}}</ref> and Joseph Mawle has joined the cast, the latter playing "Oren", the lead villain of the series.<ref>{{webcite|author=Nellie Andreeva|articleurl=http://deadline.com/2019/10/the-lord-of-the-rings-joseph-mawle-cast-star-amazon-series-oren-game-of-thrones-alum-1202765493/|articlename='The Lord Of The Rings': Joseph Mawle To Star In Amazon Series|dated=21 October 2019|website=Deadline|accessed=22 October 2019}}</ref>

In December 2019, there were reports of Ema Horvath<ref>{{webcite|author=Nellie Andreeva|articleurl=http://deadline.com/2019/12/ema-horvath-cast-the-lord-of-the-rings-amazon-series-1202806025/|articlename=‘The Lord Of The Rings’: Ema Horvath Joins Cast Of Amazon Series|dated=10 December 2019|website=Deadline|accessed=13 December 2019}}</ref> and Morfydd Clark joinining the cast, it was said that Clark is to play a "young [[Galadriel]]".<ref>{{webcite|author=Justin Kroll|articleurl=http://variety.com/2019/tv/news/lord-of-the-rings-series-galadriel-morfydd-clark-1203446284/amp/|articlename='Lord of the Rings' Series Taps Morfydd Clark as Young Galadriel (EXCLUSIVE)|dated=17 December 2019|website=[http://variety.com/ Variety]|accessed=4 January 2020}}</ref>

On 15 January 2020, the series' official social media confirmed the castings of Kavenagh, Aramayo, Mawle, Horvath, and Clark, as well as revealing new members of the cast; Owain Arthur, Nazanin Boniadi, Tom Budge, Ismael Cruz Cordova, Tyroe Muhafidin, Sophia Nomvete, Megan Richards, Dylan Smith, Charlie Vickers, and Daniel Weyman.<ref name="Meet">{{webcite|author=|articleurl=http://www.facebook.com/LOTRonPrime/photos/?tab=album&album_id=2410457885934047|articlename=Meet the first members of our fellowship. #LOTRonPrime|dated=15 January 2020|website=Facebook|accessed=15 January 2020}}</ref>

In December 2020, it was announced that 20 actors have been added to the cast; Cynthia Addai-Robinson, Maxim Baldry (reported to have joined back in October 2019), Ian Blackburn, Kip Chapman, Anthony Crum, Maxine Cunliffe, Trystan Gravelle, Sir Lenny Henry, Thusitha Jayasundera, Fabian McCallum, Simon Merrells, Geoff Morrell, Peter Mullan, Lloyd Owen, Augustus Prew, Peter Tait, Alex Tarrant, Leon Wadham, Benjamin Walker and Sara Zwangobani.<ref name="VA20">{{webcite|author=Joe Otterson|articleurl=http://variety.com/2020/tv/news/lord-of-the-rings-series-amazon-cast-1234845274/|articlename=‘Lord of the Rings’ Series at Amazon Adds 20 Actors to Cast|dated=3 December 2020|website=[http://variety.com/ Variety]|accessed=3 December 2020}}</ref>

In March 2021, Tom Budge announced that he had departed the series after filming several episodes. He explained that Amazon had decided to go in a different direction with his character after reviewing the first episodes.<ref>{{webcite|author=|articleurl=http://www.instagram.com/p/CMZnFx-HkAp/|articlename=Tom Budge on Instagram|dated=14 March 2021|website=[http://instagram.com/ Instagram]|accessed=5 April 2021}}</ref>

In July 2021, Charles Edwards, Will Fletcher, Amelie Child-Villiers, and Beau Cassidy were added to the first season's cast.<ref>{{webcite|author=|articleurl=https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/amazon-lord-of-the-rings-tv-series-cast-1234976309/|articlename=Amazon’s ‘Lord of the Rings’ Rounds Out Sprawling Cast (Exclusive)
|dated=1 July 2021|website=Hollywood Reporter|accessed=21 August 2021}}</ref> A third of the first season's 124 speaking roles, including seven of the 32 major recurring roles, went to New Zealand actors.<ref>{{webcite|author=|articleurl=https://www.newsroom.co.nz/page//govt-hopes-amazon-will-come-back-to-film-more-seasons|articlename=Return of the Rings: Govt hopes Amazon will come back to film more seasons
|dated=5 August 2021|website=[https://www.newsroom.co.nz Newsroom|accessed=21 August 2021}}</ref>

=== Filming ===
==== Season 1 ====
Although pre-production on the series reportedly began in June 2018 in [[Auckland]], filming began on [[14 March]] [[2020]]<ref>{{webcite|author=|articleurl=https://www.gamespot.com//articles/lord-of-the-rings-tv-show-director-shares-a-behind/1100-6474422/|articlename=
Lord Of The Rings TV Show Director Shares A Behind-The-Scenes Photo
|dated=15 March 2020|website=[https://www.gamespot.com Gamespot]|accessed=25 August 2021}}</ref> in Auckland primarily at Kumeu Film Studios and Auckland Film Studios.<ref>{{webcite|author=|articleurl=https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/entertainment/new-zealand-set-to-be-location-for-lord-of-the-rings-1-5-billion-tv-show/|articlename=New $1.5b LOTR TV series set to film in Auckland|dated=30 June 2019|website=[https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz Newstalk ZB]|accessed=25 August 2021}}</ref> Location filming took place around Auckland in February.<ref>{{webcite|author=|articleurl=https://www.theonering.net/torwp/2020/02/21/107557-exclusive-spy-report-from-the-set-of-amazons-lotr-with-photos/|articlename=EXCLUSIVE:Spy Report from the Set of Amazon's LOTR with photos |dated=21 February 2020|website=[https://deadline.com Deadline]|accessed=26 December 2021}}</ref> Filming for the first two episodes was expected to continue through May,<ref>{{webcite|author=|articleurl=https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/homed/real-estate/118857705/lord-of-the-rings-tv-amazon-studios-puts-out-call-for-homes-for-cast-and-crew|articlename=Lord of the Rings TV: Amazon Studios puts out call for homes for cast and crew|dated=21 February 2020|website=[https://www.stuff.co.nz Stuff]|accessed=26 December 2021}}</ref> with a four or five-month production break then planned during which footage for the two episodes would be reviewed and writing on the second season would begin.<ref>{{webcite|author=|articleurl=https://deadline.com/2019/11/the-lord-of-the-rings-series-renewed-season-2-amazon-early-renewal-season-1-hiatus-writers-room-reassembled-1202788730/|articlename=
‘The Lord Of the Rings’ Series Gets Early Season 2 Renewal By Amazon, Sets Season 1 Hiatus
|dated=19 January 2020|website=[https://deadline.com DEADLINE]|accessed=26 December 2021}}</ref>Production was scheduled to resume in mid-October and continue until late June 2021.<ref>{{webcite|author=|articleurl=https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/homed/real-estate/118857705/lord-of-the-rings-tv-amazon-studios-puts-out-call-for-homes-for-cast-and-crew|articlename= Lord of the Rings TV: Amazon Studios puts out call for homes for cast and crew|dated=19 January 2020|website=[https://www.stuff.co.nz Stuff.co]|accessed=26 December 2021}}</ref> However, filming was placed on hold indefinitely in mid-March 2020 due to the COVID-19 pandemic, with around 800 cast and crew members told to stay home.<ref>{{webcite|author=|articleurl=https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/coronavirus-amazons-lord-of-the-rings-production-in-west-auckland-shut-down/JZE3ZEXWQQIQJXH4KYENFR3LRY/?c_id=3&objectid=12316871|articlename=
Coronavirus: Amazon's Lord of the Rings production in West Auckland shut down
|dated=15 March 2020|website=[https://www.nzherald.co.nz NZherald]|accessed=26 December 2021}}</ref> In early May, the majority of filming for the first two episodes was confirmed to have been completed before the COVID-19 shutdown. Filming on the series was allowed to resume then under new safety guidelines from the New Zealand government, but, instead of completing filming for the first two episodes at that time, the filming shutdown segued into the intended production break, with filming for the first two episodes set to be completed once filming on further episodes was ready to begin.<ref>{{webcite|author=|articleurl=https://deadline.com/2020/05/new-zealand-returns-to-production-paving-way-for-avatar-sequels-to-resume-live-action-filming-1202929138/|articlename=
New Zealand Returns To Production, Paving Way For ‘Avatar’ Sequels & ‘The Lord Of The Rings’ Series To Resume Filming |dated=7 May 2020|website=[https://deadline.com Deadline]|accessed=26 December 2021}}</ref>

It was reported that the TV series was one of seven film and television productions that were granted exemptions to allow cast and crew members to enter New Zealand while its borders were closed to non-New Zealanders due to [[Wikipedia:COVID-19|COVID-19]]. The exemptions were granted before [[June 18]] by Economic Development Minister Phil Twyford, and applied to 93 members of the production as well as 20 family members. Around 10 percent of the series' crew were believed to be non-[[New Zealand|New Zealanders]], and many of them had remained in the country during its pandemic lockdown and did not require exemptions. Pre-production on further episodes began by July [[2020]],<ref>{{webcite|author=|articleurl=https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/122012197/revealed-the-six-productions-joining-avatar-in-getting-border-exemptions|articlename=
Revealed: The six productions joining Avatar in getting border exemptions
|dated=3 July 2020|website=[https://www.stuff.co.nz Stuff.co]|accessed=26 December 2021}}</ref> and filming on the series resumed on [[September 28]].<ref>{{webcite|author=|articleurl=https://deadline.com/2020/09/the-lord-of-the-rings-resumes-production-amazon-new-zealand-cowboy-bebop-netflix-dtart-of-production-1234584918/|articlename=
Amazon’s ‘The Lord Of The Rings’ Resumes Production In New Zealand, Netflix’s ‘Cowboy Bebop’ Next
|dated=28 September 2020|website=[https://deadline.com Deadline]|accessed=26 December 2021}}</ref> Bayona completed filming on his episodes by December 23,<ref>{{webcite|author=|articleurl=https://comicbook.com/tv-shows/news/amazons-lord-of-the-rings-pilot-wrapped-filming/|articlename= Amazon's Lord Of The Rings Pilot Has Wrapped Filming
|dated=25 December 2020|website=[https://comicbook.com ComicBook]|accessed=26 December 2021}}</ref> with production on further episodes set to begin in January 2021 following a two week break for Christmas.<ref>{{webcite|author=|articleurl=https://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/spy-lunch-of-the-rings-the-lotr-star-spotted-on-waiheke/WFTPOF2VTQ272HKL6NT2QLHHQI/|articlename=
Spy: Lunch of the Rings? The LOTR star spotted on Waiheke
|dated=19 December 2020|website=[https://www.nzherald.co.nz NZherald]|accessed=26 December 2021}}</ref> Yip confirmed that he had begun filming his episodes by March,<ref>{{webcite|author=|articleurl=https://variety.com/2021/tv/news/lord-of-the-rings-amazon-wayne-che-yip-1234936829/|articlename= ‘Lord of the Rings’ Series Adds Director Wayne Che Yip as Co-Executive Producer
|dated=24 March 2021|website=[https://variety.com Variety]|accessed=26 December 2021}}</ref> and Brändström was in New Zealand for production on the series when she was announced as director in May.<ref>{{webcite|author=|articleurl=https://deadline.com/2021/05/the-witcher-charlotte-brandstrom-amazons-the-lord-of-the-rings-series-1234755360/|articlename= ‘The Witcher’ Director Charlotte Brändström Joins Amazon’s ‘The Lord Of The Rings’ Series |dated=13 May 2021|website=[https://deadline.com Deadline]|accessed=26 December 2021}}</ref>

==== Season 2 ====

== Marketing ==
=== Season 1 ===
[[File:The Rings of Power (TV series) - Galadriel poster.jpg|thumb|250px|One of the promotional posters released in February 2022]]
On [[19 January]] 2022, Amazon revealed of the series' full title. Instead of creating a title reveal with visual effects, the studio released an announcement video in which the letters of the title are physically cast from molten metal while an excerpt of the "[[Ring Verse]]" from ''The Lord of the Rings'' is read in voiceover. The video was directed by Klaus Obermeyer, who worked with special effects supervisor Lee Nelson under advisement by veteran special effects supervisor [[Douglas Trumbull]].<ref>{{webcite|author=|articleurl=http://www.theonering.net/torwp/2022/01/19/111840-prime-videos-the-lord-of-the-rings-title-reveal-exclusive-behind-the-scenes-images/|articlename=Prime Video's The Lord of the Rings TITLE REVEAL - EXCLUSIVE Behind the Scenes images|dated=3 February 2022|website=[https://www.polygon.com/ Polygon]|accessed=4 February 2022}}</ref><ref>{{webcite|author=@LOTRonPrime|articleurl=http://twitter.com/LOTRonPrime/status/1483816516327915522?cxt=HHwWhICq-dHQyZcpAAAA|articlename=Title Announcement|dated=19 January 2022|website=Twitter|accessed=19 January 2022}}</ref>

On [[3 February]], Amazon Studios revealed a series of character posters for the series.<ref>{{webcite|author=|articleurl=https://www.polygon.com/22915948/lord-of-the-rings-of-power-characters-posters|articlename=Amazon’s first Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power character posters are a guessing game|dated=4 February 2022|website=[https://www.polygon.com/ Polygon]|accessed=4 February 2022}}</ref> On 10 February, a "first look" was revealed with photos of some of the characters,<ref name="VanityFair">{{webcite|author=Anthony Breznican & Joanna Robinson|articleurl=https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2022/02/amazon-the-rings-of-power-series-first-look|articlename=Amazon’s Lord of the Rings Series Rises: Inside The Rings of Power
|dated=10-Feb-2022|website=VanityFair|accessed=20-July-2022}}</ref> followed by the release of the teaser trailer on 13 February during Super Bowl LVI.<ref>{{webcite|author=Erin Carson and Jennifer Bisset|articleurl=https://www.cnet.com/culture/entertainment/amazon-introduces-lord-of-the-rings-the-rings-of-power-in-new-trailer/|articlename=Amazon Introduces 'Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power' in New Trailer|website=[http://www.cnet.com/ CNet]|accessed=9 April 2022}}</ref> The official watch party for the trailer was hosted on YouTube by [[TheOneRing.net]].<ref>{{webcite|author=|articleurl=http://www.theonering.net/torwp/2022/02/07/111973-official-lotr-trailer-watch-party-for-prime-videos-rings-of-power-to-be-hosted-by-torn/|articlename=Official LOTR Trailer Watch party for Prime Video’s Rings of Power to be hosted by TORn!|website=[https://www.theonering.net/ TheOneRing.net]|accessed=9 April 2022}}</ref>

On [[14 July]], Amazon released another trailer for the series online.<ref>{{webcite|author=William Goodman|articleurl=https://www.gq.com/story/lord-of-the-rings-rings-of-power-trailer|articlename=What the ‘Lord of the Rings: Rings of Power’ Trailer Reveals About the New Prequel Series
|dated=14 July 2022|website=[https://www.gq.com Get Go]|accessed=22 July 2022}}</ref>

On [[23 August]], Amazon released the final trailer for the first season's series online.<ref>{{webcite|author=James White|articleurl=https://www.empireonline.com/tv/news/lotr-the-rings-of-powers-final-trailer-shows-off-giant-battles-and-epic-scale/|articlename=LOTR: The Rings Of Power’s Final Trailer Shows Off Giant Battles And Epic Scale
|dated=23 August 2022|website=[https://www.empireonline.com/ EmpireOnline]|accessed=04 October 2022}}</ref>

=== Season 2 ===

== Reception ==
The first season of the series received mixed reviews,<ref>{{webcite|author=|articleurl=https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/the_lord_of_the_rings_the_rings_of_power|articlename=The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power|dated=|website=[https://www.rottentomatoes.com/ Rotten Tomatoes]|accessed=2 October 2022}}</ref><ref>{{webcite|author=|articleurl=https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7631058/|articlename=The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power|dated=|website=[https://www.imdb.com/ IMDB]|accessed=2 October 2022}}</ref> with generally positive critical and generally negative audience scores on review aggregation websites.<ref>{{webcite|author=|articleurl=https://www.metacritic.com/tv/the-lord-of-the-rings-the-rings-of-power/season-1|articlename=The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power|dated=|website=[https://www.metacritic.com/ Metacritic]|accessed=14 October 2022}}</ref> Most viewers did not finish the show, particullarly in USA, with only 37% of domestic completion rate, while in the rest of the world had a 45%.<ref>{{webcite|author=Kim Masters|articleurl=https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/inside-amazon-studios-jen-salke-vision-shows-1235364913/|articlename=Inside Amazon Studios: Big Swings Hampered by Confusion and Frustration|dated=3 April 2023|website=[https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/ The Hollywood Reporter]|accessed=9 May 2023}}</ref>

The series also proved controversial in many corners of Tolkien fandom with people questioning its fidelity to the source material and the depiction of certain characters, most notably Galadriel and Sauron (Halbrand). Some also questioned the absence of major characters such as Celeborn, and the order of certain major events from canon as well as the impact of shortening the timespan of the Second Age. This made Celebrimbor a contemporary of Elendil, when the source material states that Celebrimbor died some 1600 years before Elendil was born.

== See also ==
* [[:Category:Images from The Rings of Power (TV series)|Images from ''The Rings of Power'' TV series]]
* [[The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power Season 1 Soundtrack|''The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power'' Season 1 Soundtrack]]

== External links ==
* [http://www.amazon.com/adlp/lotronprime Official website]
* [http://www.facebook.com/LOTRonPrime/ Official Facebook page]
* [http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5gNthckomHt36m9-WH042Q/ Youtube channel]
* [https://www.fandom.com/articles/lord-rings-power-hidden-character-details ‘The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power’ Cast Reveal New Character Details] on Fandom
* [https://www.aboutamazon.com/news/entertainment/lord-of-the-rings-numenor-images Númenor revealed in new Lord of the Rings series] on Amazon
* [https://www.looper.com/962547/robert-aramayo-sheds-light-on-a-younger-elrond-in-rings-of-power-exclusive-interview/ Robert Aramayo Sheds Light On A Younger Elrond In Rings Of Power - Exclusive Interview] on Looper
* [https://time.com/6205837/the-rings-of-power-amazon-most-expensive/ Inside Rings of Power, Amazon's Lord of the Rings Prequel] on Time

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Finrod

2023-07-03T08:52:19Z

English Lady: /* Television */ There were a couple of grammar errors and added a reference.

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| name=Finrod Felagund
| image=[[File:Elena Kukanova - Finrod - First Encounter with Edain.jpg|250px]]
| caption="Finrod - First Encounter with Edain" by [[Elena Kukanova]]
| pronun=
| othernames=''Findaráto''/''Artafindë'' ([[Telerin|T]]/[[Quenya|Q]], [[Father-name|fn]]) ''[[Ingoldo]]'' ([[Quenya|Q]], [[Amilessë|mn]]) ''[[Nóm]]'' or ''Nómin'' ([[Taliska|T]]) ''Felakgundu'' ([[Khuzdul|K]])
| titles=[[King of Nargothrond]]
| position=
| location=[[Eldamar]]; [[Nargothrond]]
| affiliation=[[Quest for the Silmaril]]
| language=[[Quenya]], [[Telerin]], [[Sindarin]] and [[Taliska]]
| birth={{YT|1300}}
| birthlocation=[[Tirion]]
| rule={{FA|102}} - {{FA|465|n}}
| death={{FA|465}}
| deathlocation=[[Tol-in-Gaurhoth]]
| age=c. 2381 years<ref group="note">Years of the Sun. Each Year of the Tree is equal to 9.582 Years of the Sun, and the Years of the Trees ended in the year 1500.</ref>
| notablefor=
| house=[[House of Finarfin]]
| parentage=[[Finarfin]] & [[Eärwen]]
| siblings=[[Angrod]], [[Aegnor]] and [[Galadriel]]
| spouse=Lover of [[Amarië]]
| children=
| gender=Male
| height=
| hair=Golden
| eyes=
| clothing=[[Ring of Barahir]]
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{{Quote|King Finrod Felagund, fairest and most beloved of the [[house of Finwë]].|''[[Quenta Silmarillion]]'', "[[Of Beren and Lúthien]]"}}

'''Finrod''' was an [[Elves|Elven]] king of the [[Noldor]], eldest son of [[Finarfin]] and older brother to [[Angrod]], [[Aegnor]] and [[Galadriel]]. Finrod was like his father in his fair face and golden hair, and also in his noble and generous heart.

In [[Beleriand]], Finrod became the ruler of [[Nargothrond]], taking the [[Epessë|after-name]] of '''Felagund'''. He was a wise, just and powerful Elf, and a great traveller.<ref>[[Robert Foster]], ''[[The Complete Guide to Middle-earth]]'', p. 144</ref>

== History ==
Finrod was born in [[Eldamar]] in the [[Year of the Trees 1300]], the same as his cousin [[Turgon]].<ref>{{AA|85|note}}</ref> They were friends, and his beloved was [[Amarië]] of the [[Vanyar]].

Finrod was among those who opposed [[Fëanor]] and the [[Exile of the Noldor]]. However, when the Noldor were set to depart from [[Aman]], he joined them, for he would not be sundered from his friends and his people who were eager to go. Also, he had no wish to abandon his people to Fëanor's rule.<ref>{{S|Flight}}</ref>

=== Return of the Noldor ===
Finrod, along with his father, led the rear of the host along with many of the noblest and wisest of the Noldor; and often they looked behind them to see their fair city, especially Finrod, for he had to leave Amarië behind. With him, he brought along many treasures from [[Tirion]],<ref name=return>{{S|Return}}</ref> including [[Ring of Barahir|his Ring]].<ref name=beren>{{S|Beren}}</ref>

Finrod and his people did not participate in the [[Kinslaying at Alqualondë]]. While they were travelling up the coast of [[Araman]], the [[Valar|Vala]] [[Mandos]] appeared and pronounced the [[Doom of the Noldor]], and in that hour, Finarfin forsook the march and returned to [[Valinor]] with many of his people. However, Finrod and his siblings went forward still and led their people on the long and perilous march to [[Middle-earth]].

=== Life in Beleriand ===
After their victory in the [[Dagor-nuin-Giliath]], the Noldor started building their numerous realms. Finrod established the tower of [[Minas Tirith (Beleriand)|Minas Tirith]] on the island of [[Tol Sirion]]. Once, while journeying southward along the river [[Sirion]], Finrod and his friend [[Turgon]] encamped upon its banks. [[Ulmo]], coming up the river, laid a deep sleep upon them and heavy dreams; and it seemed to each that he was bidden to prepare for a day of evil, and to establish a retreat, lest [[Morgoth]] should burst from [[Angband]] and overthrow the armies of the North.

[[File:Mysilvergreen - Finrod Felagund.jpg|left|thumb|''Finrod Felagund'' by [[:Category:Images by Mysilvergreen|Mysilvergreen]]]]
Now on a time Finrod and his sister [[Galadriel]] were guests of King [[Thingol|Elu Thingol]], their kinsman in [[Doriath]]. There, Finrod told Thingol of his admiration for the halls of [[Menegroth]]; and Thingol spoke to him of the deep gorge of the river [[Narog]] and told him about the caves under the [[High Faroth]] in its deep western shore. Thus Finrod came to the [[Caverns of Narog]] and established there deep halls and armouries; and that stronghold was called [[Nargothrond]]. In this he was aided by the [[Dwarves]] of the [[Blue Mountains]], and Finrod rewarded them with many jewels from Valinor. In that time, the [[Nauglamír]] was made for him, the Necklace of the Dwarves. After Nargothrond was made, Finrod committed Minas Tirith to the keeping of [[Orodreth]], his nephew, and was referred to by the additional name of ''Felagund'', an honorific title given him by the Dwarves, meaning a "Maker of Caves".

The realm of Nargothrond extended to the sea, excluding the [[Falas]]. Finrod was a friend and ally of [[Círdan]], and had also built the tower [[Barad Nimras]] upon the cape.<ref>{{S|14}}</ref>

=== Encounter with Men ===
[[File:Steamey - Finrod, Beor and the Green-elves of Ossiriand.jpg|thumb|''Finrod, Beor and the Green-elves of Ossiriand'' by [[:Category:Images by Steamey|Steamy]]]]
When over three hundred years had passed since the Noldor came to Beleriand, Finrod journeyed east of Sirion and went hunting with [[Maglor]] and [[Maedhros]], two of the [[sons of Fëanor]]. But he wearied of the hunt and passed on alone towards the mountains of [[Ered Lindon]]. There, in the lands of [[Thargelion]], in [[East Beleriand]], Finrod was the first of the Noldor to come across [[Men]]. These were the kindred and followers of [[Bëor]] [[The Old]]. He went among them while they were sleeping and, picking up a harp which Bëor had laid aside, played music upon it such as the ears of men had not heard. When the men awoke and listened to his song, each thought that he was in some fair dream. He long stayed with them, learning [[Taliska|their language]] and teaching them [[Sindarin]]. He also intervened on behalf of the [[Laiquendi]] of [[Ossiriand]], who feared Men would destroy their home, and he got permission of [[Thingol]], who held rule over all [[Beleriand]], to guide the Men to [[Estolad]].<ref name=West>{{S|West}}</ref>

Finrod had a close friendship with [[Andreth]] of the [[House of Bëor]], whom he often visited during the [[Siege of Angband]] to converse with her on the matters of Elves and Men. One such conversation was written down and later known as ''[[Athrabeth Finrod ah Andreth]]''.

Finrod participated in the [[Dagor Bragollach]], fighting in the [[Fen of Serech]], when he was surrounded by [[Orcs]]. It was [[Barahir]] of the [[House of Bëor]] who saved his life, and Finrod swore an oath of abiding friendship and aid in every need to Barahir and all his kin. As a token he gave Barahir his ring, which became known as the [[Ring of Barahir]].<ref>{{S|Fingolfin}}</ref>

=== Quest for the Silmaril ===
[[File:Anke Eißmann - Finrod is reminded of his oath.jpeg|thumb|''Finrod is reminded of his oath'' by [[Anke Eißmann]]]]
When, ten years later, Barahir's son [[Beren]] came to Nargothrond seeking help, Finrod went with him on the [[Quest for the Silmaril]] to repay his debt. [[Celegorm]] and [[Curufin]], who were living in Nargothrond at the time, persuaded (using barely veiled threats related to their [[Oath of Fëanor|Oath]]) most of Nargothrond to stay behind. Only ten warriors, headed by one [[Edrahil]], were faithful and came with them. Beneath the [[Shadowy Mountains]] they came upon a company of [[Orcs]], and slew them all in their camp. They took their gear and weapons, and by the magic of Finrod, their own forms and faces were changed to the likeness of Orcs. Thus disguised, they came far upon their northward road between [[Ered Wethrin]] and the highlands of [[Taur-nu-Fuin (Dorthonion)|Taur-nu-Fuin]]. However, the twelve were captured and imprisoned by [[Sauron]] on [[Tol-in-Gaurhoth]] ("Isle of Werewolves").<ref name=beren></ref>

[[File:KuraiGeijutsu - And Finrod fell before the Throne.jpg|thumb|''And Finrod fell before the Throne'' by [[:Category:Images by KuraiGeijutsu|Kurai Geijutsu]]]]

Thus befell the contest of Finrod and Sauron. Finrod strove with Sauron in songs of power, and the power of the Elven King was very great. But in the end, Sauron had the mastery. It is told in the ''[[Lay of Leithian]]'':
{{blockquote|He chanted a song of wizardry, 
Of piercing, opening, of treachery, 
Revealing, uncovering, betraying. 
Then sudden Felagund there swaying 
sang in answer a song of staying, 
Resisting, battling against power, 
Of secrets kept, strength like a tower, 
And trust unbroken, freedom, escape; 
Of changing and of shifting shape, 
Of snares eluded, broken traps, 
The prison opening, the chain that snaps, 
Backwards and forwards swayed their song. 
Reeling and foundering, as ever more strong 
The chanting swelled, Felagund fought, 
And all the magic and might he brought, 
Of Elvenesse into his words. 
Softly in the gloom they heard the birds 
Singing afar in Nargothrond, 
The sighing of the sea beyond, 
Beyond the western world, on sand, 
On sand of pearls in Elvenland. 
Then the gloom gathered; darkness growing 
In Valinor, the red blood flowing 
Beside the sea, where the Noldor slew 
The Foamriders, and stealing drew 
Their white ships with their white sails 
From lamplit havens. The wind wails, 
The wolf howls. The ravens flee. 
The ice mutters in the mouths of the sea. 
The captives sad in Angband mourn, 
Thunder rumbles, the fires burn- 
And Finrod fell before the throne.|[[Lay of Leithian Canto VII|Canto VII]], vv. 2173-2205}}

[[File:Anke Eißmann - Death of Finrod Felagund.jpeg|thumb|''Death of Finrod Felagund'' by [[Anke Eißmann]]]]
Then Sauron stripped from them their disguise, but though their kinds were revealed, he could not discover their names or their purposes.

Sauron imprisoned them and one by one they were killed by werewolves until only Beren and Felagund were left, but none of the companions betrayed them. When the werewolf came to kill Beren, Felagund put forth all his power and burst his bonds. He wrestled with the werewolf, and slew it with his hands and teeth. Yet he himself was mortally wounded, and he died in the dark, in Tol-in-Gaurhoth, whose great tower he himself had built. Thus King Finrod Felagund, the fairest and most beloved of the house of [[Finwë]], redeemed his oath.

=== Reincarnation ===
[[File:Donato Giancola - Lore.jpeg|thumb|An Elf loremaster ponders at a mural of Finrod leading his House in battle. Art by [[Donato Giancola]]]]
Because of Finrod's noble actions in life, and his reluctance to journey to Middle-earth, he was rehoused after only a short time. He and [[Glorfindel]] were the only elves who were known to have been reincarnated. It is noted in the ''Lay of Leithian'' that Finrod was soon allowed to return to life in Valinor, and "now dwells with Amarië.”<ref name="GA-2">{{GA|180}}</ref> It is also noted in ''[[The Silmarillion]]'' that "''Finrod walks with Finarfin his father beneath the trees in [[Eldamar]]''".<ref name=beren>{{S|Beren}}</ref>

== Etymology ==
{{seealso|#Other versions of the legendarium}}
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The name ''Finrod'' is the [[Sindarin]] form of his [[father-name]] '''''Findaráto''''' ("[Golden-]Haired Champion"). It is possible he and his brother [[Angrod]] were first called ''[[Aráto]]'', and later differentiated adding ''find-'', referred to the golden hair derived from [[Indis]]. This name was of [[Telerin]] origin, so the proper [[Quenya]] form would be '''''Artafindë'''''.<ref name=Finwe>{{PM|Finwe}}</ref>{{rp|346-347}}

===Felagund===
'''''Felagund''''' was an [[epessë]] given to him by the [[Dwarves]] that expanded the caves of Nargothrond, and meant "Hewer of Caves". It is not Sindarin, but rather [[Sindarinized]] [[Khuzdul]], from '''''Felakgundu'''''. The name was Eldarized by other as '''''Felagon''''' (in relation with Fin''gon'', Tur''gon'').<ref>{{PM|Felagund}}, p. 352</ref>

While revising his [[Elvish]] languages in later years, [[Tolkien]] reinterpreted ''Felagund'' as "den-dweller, brock, badger", from [[Sindarin]] ''fela'', which was used for dens made by wild animals or temporary dwellings of wandering folks, unrelated to big carved caves. The west bank of Narog had many dens of badgers, some of them occupied by [[Petty-dwarves]]. It was thus probable that ''Felagund'' was actually given by the [[Sons of Fëanor]] as a mockery to Finrod, and transmitted by the Dwarves.<ref>{{NM|P3vii}}, p. 304</ref>

An early etymology for ''Felagund'' was "Lord of Caves" in [[Noldorin]], from ''[[fela]]'' ("caverns") + ''[[cunn]]'' ("prince").<ref>{{LR|P3}}, entries "KUNDU", "PHELEG"</ref>

==Other names==
His [[Amilessë|mother-name]] was '''''[[Ingoldo]]''''', which was also the mother-name of his father Finarfin. It meant "''the'' Ñoldo", 'one-eminent of the kindred' which is in simpler words 'the wise'. It was a name used by his brothers and sister, who loved him.<ref name=Finwe>{{PM|Finwe}}</ref>{{rp|346, 360}}

Finrod was also called '''''[[Nóm]]''''' ("Wisdom") by [[Bëor]] and his [[House of Bëor|people]].<ref name=West>{{S|West}}</ref> His other titles include "the Faithful", "the Friend of Men", "[[King of Nargothrond]]", "[[Lord of Nargothrond]]".<ref>{{S|Index}}, entry "Finrod"</ref><ref name=":0">[[J.R.R. Tolkien]], ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'', [[Appendix B]] "The Tale of Years". </ref>

He was often called by the Eldar '''''Edennil''''' or '''''Atandil''''', which means "Friend of Men" in [[Sindarin]] and [[Quenya]] respectively.<ref>{{MR|P4k}}, p. 349 (cf. p. 306)</ref> A variant for ''Atandil'' was ''Firindil''.<ref>{{VT|41c}}, p. 14</ref>

== Genealogy ==
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== Other versions of the legendarium ==
In earlier versions of the Middle-earth myths, and when ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'' was published, the name '''Finrod''' was given to the character later known as [[Finarfin]]. Finrod Felagund was then named '''[[Inglor Felagund]]'''. However, that changed in later drafts, and the character who had the name [[Gildor Inglorion]], in ''The Lord of the Rings'', was unrelated to Finrod despite having a name that means Gildor son of Inglor. Finrod was childless and unmarried during the events of ''The Silmarillion'' because his lover, Amarië, remained in Valinor.<ref>{{S|15}}</ref>

In the published ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', Orodreth is Finrod's brother: this was an editorial decision by [[Christopher Tolkien]] and an admitted mistake. Orodreth was actually the son of Angrod and thus Finrod's nephew.

==Portrayal in adaptations==
[[File:The Rings of Power (TV series) - Finrod.jpg|thumb|[[Will Fletcher]] as Finrod in ''[[The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power]]'']]

===Television===
'''2022: ''[[The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power]]'', Season One:'''
:'''Episode 1: ''[[A Shadow of the Past]]'':'''
::[[Galadriel]] recalls a memory of her brother during her childhood at the time of the [[Years of the Trees]]. In the memory, after some Elf children bully her and sink her paper swan ship, she attempts to attack one of them. However, Finrod (portrayed by [[Will Fletcher]]) shows up just in time to prevent her from doing any harm. Not long after, Finrod is seen talking to Galadriel beneath a tree, where it is revealed that Galadriel had made the ship just as Finrod had taught her. Finrod then asks her if she knows why ships float while stones cannot, and tells her, after a moment of silence, that stones look downwards towards the irresistible darkness of water while ships look upwards towards starlight, fighting against the darkness of water, whispering on things it would not know. Galadriel questions Finrod, saying that stars are reflected just as brightly within water and that it is hard to know which lights to follow, up or down. Upon thinking, Finrod whispers to her: "''Sometimes we cannot know until we have touched the darkness''". To this, Galadriel ponders that it sounds simple and Finrod tells her that many things are, but she must decide them for herself as he will not always be there to help. Not elaborating on this further, Finrod stands up and tells her that their parents are waiting for them, before walking over a hill to reveal the [[Two Trees]]. Later in Galadriel's recollections, Finrod is seen in a battle shouting phrases in [[Quenya]]: "''Valaron kalanen''" ("By the [[Light of Valinor|light]] of the [[Valar]]!") and "''Firuvantë''" ("[[Orcs|They]] will die!"). Galadriel mentions that he vowed to destroy [[Sauron]], [[Morgoth|Morgoth's]] sorcerer and lieutenant. Yet Sauron found and defeated Finrod first, marking his corpse with a red symbol, which not even the wisest [[Elves]] could decipher, causing Galadriel to take up her brother's vow and dagger for herself.

:'''Episode 8: ''[[Alloyed]]'':'''
::When [[Halbrand]] effortlessly enters [[Galadriel|Galadriel's]] mind by the [[Glanduin]] to try to prove to her that he truly desired to redeem himself and heal [[Middle-earth]] of evil, he uses her memory of Finrod to do so. Nevertheless, Galadriel refuses to believe that he is redeemable and Halbrand is thrust from her mind and flees [[Eregion]] to the [[Mordor|Southlands]].
:[[Amazon Studios]]'s rights to Finrod's character were limited to his mention in the ''[[Appendices]]'', so the series made significant changes and additions to his story, including showing him taking [[Oath of Fëanor|an oath against Morgoth]] before he left Valinor, and his death at the hands of Sauron, which inspires Galadriel's revenge. It is worth noting that Finrod's death saving Beren is mentioned in ''Appendix B: The Tale of Years'', and so Amazon could have used that material, but still opted to change it to have him dying in pursuit of Sauron.<ref name=":0" /> Finrod's original personality was particularly wise, very respectful and reverent towards the Valar, rather than as a rebel who advises people to "touch the darkness".
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A Shadow of the Past

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{{Quote|[[Galadriel]] is disturbed by [[Snow-trolls|signs]] of an ancient [[Sauron|evil’s]] return; [[Arondir]] makes an unsettling [[Hordern|discovery]]; [[Elrond]] is [[Celebrimbor|presented]] with an [[Rings of Power|intriguing]] new [[Eregion|venture]]; [[Elanor Brandyfoot|Nori]] breaks the [[Harfoots|Harfoot]] community’s most deeply-held rule.|Official Synopsis, [[Amazon Studios]]}}

'''A Shadow of the Past''' is the first episode of [[Amazon Studios]]'s television series, ''[[The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power]]'', and it was released on [[1 September]], [[2022]].

==Synopsis==
In a voiceover narrative, Galadriel reminisces on a time during the [[Years of the Trees]] before the [[Elves]] had a word for death.

Throughout the narration, a group of elf children are seen playing before watching a young [[Galadriel]] building a paper ship. The children cause it to sink by throwing stones at it, causing Galadriel to try to attack them, only being prevented by her older brother, [[Finrod]]. Later, Galadriel talks to her brother, who tells her to follow the light and resist the darkness.

The older Galadriel then briefly relates the [[Darkening of Valinor]], the [[War of the Great Jewels]], and the rise of [[Sauron]]. Finrod was killed by Sauron and Galadriel takes his mission to hunt down and defeat Sauron upon herself. Leading a company of elves through [[Northern Waste|Forodwaith]], Galadriel finds a [[Dúrnost|fortress]] within that was once occupied by Sauron, but one of the other elves, [[Thondir]], refuses to go any further north in pursuit, and forces Galadriel to return to [[Gil-galad]].

In the [[Norfield Glen]], a community of [[Harfoots]] notice the passage of two travelling [[Pre-Númenóreans|hunters]] through the [[Rhovanion Hills|hills]] of [[Rhovanion]] at an unaccustomed season. [[Elanor Brandyfoot]] and [[Poppy Proudfellow]] take a group of children out to hunt berries but soon return to the Harfoot camp to avoid a wolf. Elanor wonders about the world outside of the Harfoots' wandering, but her stepmother/mother [[Marigold Brandyfoot|Marigold]] reminds her that the Harfoot way of life is to avoid the cares of the wide world, stick together, and stay on the usual trail.

In [[Lindon]], [[Elrond]] greets [[Galadriel]] on her return. In a welcoming ceremony, the king [[Gil-galad]] honours Galadriel and her warriors for their bravery and announces that, as a reward, they will be permitted to sail west to the [[Undying Lands]]. Galadriel confides to Elrond that she does not wish to leave Middle-earth until she has defeated Sauron, but he urges her to accept the gift and depart.

A [[Silvan Elves|Silvan elf]], [[Arondir]], arrives in the village of [[Tirharad]] in the [[Southlands]], a land inhabited by [[Men]] who were once under the sway of [[Morgoth]] and are now watched carefully by a garrison of Silvan Elves. Arondir is not warmly received by anyone except the healer [[Bronwyn]], whom Arondir appears to be falling in love with. Arondir tells an Elf, Médhor, who picks up on Arondir's feelings, that they should return to [[Watchtower of Ostirith|Ostirith]], where Arondir is told by the [[Revion|Watchwarden Revion]] that the high king has declared that the war is over and the garrison is being recalled. Returning to the village to say goodbye to Bronwyn, Arondir encounters a [[Tredwill|man with a cow]] who got sick after wandering east as far as a village called [[Hordern]]. Arondir goes to investigate, accompanied by Bronwyn. Meanwhile, Bronwyn's son [[Theo]] shows another villager, [[Rowan (The Rings of Power)|Rowan]], an old sceptre (bearing [[Sauron|Sauron's]] [[Eye of Sauron|emblem]]) that he found in [[Waldreg|Waldreg's]] barn.

In Lindon, Gil-galad admits to Elrond that Sauron may still exist, but Galadriel's presence only increased the danger. He then tells Elrond that the smith [[Celebrimbor|Lord Celebrimbor]] will need his help with a new project.

The Harfoot Trailfinder [[Sadoc Burrows]] wonders about strange signs in the stars. Arondir and Bronwyn arrive at Hordern, only to find that it had been burned down. Just before Galadriel's ship arrives in Aman, she realizes she is not ready to leave Middle-earth and dives overboard into the sea. Meanwhile, a meteor streaks across the sky and lands near the Harfoot camp. Nori investigates the crater where it fell and sees a bearded man lying there, surrounded by veins of hot rock.

==Cast==
:''In order of appearance'' (in episode credits)
{| class="wikitable"
|- bgcolor="#CCCCCC"
! Actor !! Role
|-
| [[Amelie Child Villiers]] || [[Galadriel|Young Galadriel]]
|-
| [[Will Fletcher]] || [[Finrod]]
|-
| [[Morfydd Clark]] || [[Galadriel]]
|-
| Fabian McCallum || [[Thondir]]
|-
| Kip Chapman || [[Rían (The Rings of Power)|Rían]]
|-
| [[Lenny Henry|Sir Lenny Henry]] || [[Sadoc Burrows]]
|-
| [[Sara Zwangobani]] || [[Marigold Brandyfoot]]
|-
| [[Thusitha Jayasundera]] || [[Malva Meadowgrass|Malva]]
|-
| [[Maxine Cunliffe]] || [[Vilma]]
|-
| [[Dylan Smith]] || [[Largo Brandyfoot]]
|-
| [[Markella Kavenagh]] || [[Elanor Brandyfoot|Elanor "Nori" Brandyfoot]]
|-
| [[Beau Cassidy]] || [[Dilly Brandyfoot]]
|-
| [[Megan Richards]] || [[Poppy Proudfellow]]
|-
| [[Robert Aramayo]] || [[Elrond]]
|-
| [[Benjamin Walker]] || [[Gil-galad|High-King Gil-galad]]
|-
| [[Ismael Cruz Córdova]] || [[Arondir]]
|-
| [[Geoff Morrell]] || [[Waldreg]]
|-
| [[Peter Tait]] || [[Tredwill]]
|-
| Ian Blackburn || [[Rowan (The Rings of Power)|Rowan]]
|-
| [[Nazanin Boniadi]] || [[Bronwyn]]
|-
| Augustus Prew || [[Médhor]]
|-
| Simon Merrells || [[Revion|Watchwarden Revion]]
|-
| [[Tyroe Muhafidin]] || [[Theo]]
|-
| [[Charles Edwards]] || [[Celebrimbor|Lord Celebrimbor]]
|-
| [[Daniel Weyman]] || [[The Stranger]]
|-
| Jagger Serafin Eva Gardner Oscar Beszant || [[Elves|Elf Children]]
|-
| Ashlee Fidow Carl Van Roon Sean Neary Cameron Brown || [[Elves|Elf Soldiers]]
|-
| Andrew Cottle || [[Elves|Veteran Elf]]
|-
| Kenneth Ransom || [[Pre-Númenóreans|Younger Hunter]]
|-
| Tom McCathie || [[Pre-Númenóreans|Ornery Hunter]]
|-
| Paula Nazarski || [[Harfoots|Malva's Sister]]
|-
| Shelley Waddams || [[Elves|Elf Attendant]]
|-
| Graham Rolls || [[Men|Whiskery Old Man]]
|-
| Justin Doble || [[Men|Milky-Eyed Southlander]]
|-
| Nicholas Foustellis || [[Elves|Short Haired Elf]]
|}

=== Uncredited ===
{| class="wikitable"
|- bgcolor="#CCCCCC"
! Actor !! Role
|-
| Marris Collins || [[Men|Village Man]]<ref>https://m.imdb.com/title/tt9788618/fullcredits/cast?ref_=tt_ov_st_sm</ref>
|}

== Trivia ==
Below is a list of trivia from Amazon's "X-Ray" feature that accompanied the episode.
* '''Scene 2''' - "Most of the details and elaborations told herein are derived from '[[The Lord of the Rings]]', its prologue entitled '[[Concerning Hobbits]]', and its Appendices, A through F, where the intrepid traveller may journey to discover even farther horizons."
* '''Scene 3''' - "Both Galadriel and her brother, [[Finrod Felagund]], were [[High Elves]], or [[Eldar]], of the royal house of [[Finarfin]]. ([[Appendix F]])"
* '''Scene 5''' - "Galadriel was the noblest of the High Elves known as the Exiles, a branch of the Eldarin kindred called the Noldor who left Valinor to go to Middle-earth. (Appendix F)"
* '''Scene 8''' - "Morgoth was known by many names, including the Dark Power of the North. His was a bitterly cold realm, and the snows linger still in the Forodwaith, long outlasting him. (Footnote, Appendix A)"
* '''Scene 10''' - "[[Trolls]] were made in mockery of [[Ents]] by the Dark Powers of the [[First Age]]. (Book III, Chapter 4) [[Snow-trolls]] are merely one variation of them that long ago adapted to the harsh climates of the cold northern realms they call home."
* '''Scene 12''' - Long before Hobbits became a single group of people, whose most ancient legends hardly looked further back than their [[Wandering Days]], there were [[halflings]] called [[Harfoots]]. They were travellers of highlands and hillsides. (Concerning Hobbits)."
* '''Scene 15''' - At the end of the First Age, Elrond was given a choice - he was one of the [[Peredhil]], or [[Half-elven]], and had to decide between the fate of the [[Eldar]], or of Man-kind. (Appendix A)"
* '''Scene 17''' - Harfoots are little people, and while the later Hobbits ranged between two and four feet tall, in their ancient days they were slightly taller. They were beardless, bootless, and browner of skin. (Concerning Hobbits)"
* '''Scene 19''' - Gil-galad was acknowledged as the High King of the Elves of the West, for he was the last heir of the kings of the Noldor in exile. (Appendix B)"
* '''Scene 20''' - [[Valinor]] is the Land of the [[Valar]], the angelic Guardians of the World. Their land goes by many names, among them: The Undying Lands, the Blessed Realm, Eldamar, or the Uttermost West. (Appendix A, etc.)"
* '''Scene 26''' - "Different from the Eldar, the [[Silvan Elves]] or [[Wood-elves]] lived further east from the [[Belegaer|Sea]], in forest realms such as [[Mirkwood|Greenwood the Great]]. (Appendix B)"
* '''Scene 29''' - In Middle-earth the [[Children of Ilúvatar|Two Kindreds]], the [[Firstborn]] elves and later humans, became estranged as each kind walked further down their sundered roads. (Book IV, Chapter 5)"
* '''Scene 34''' - From the [[Grey Havens]], or [[Mithlond]], the elves set sail into the [[Aman|West]], never to return to Middle-earth. (Book I, Chapter 2)"
* '''Scene 34''' - It is said that on the High Sea while sailing to the Blessed Realm, a sweet fragrance on the air and the sound of singing voices comes over the water to meet the elven-ships - then the grey rain-curtain turns to silver glass and rolls back to reveal white shores and a far green country under a swift sunrise. (Book VI, Chapter 9)"

==Production==
The episode was directed by [[J. A. Bayona]] and written by [[J. D. Payne]] and [[Patrick McKay]].

==Differences==
{{Incomplete}}
The [[Silmarils]] are not mentioned and neither is the [[Oath of Fëanor]], although Finrod is said to have taken a vow to fight Morgoth. He is shown to be taking what appears to be the [[Oath of Fëanor]], which is a major departure from the source material. The manner of his death is also changed. The Appendices tell us he died saving Beren whilst helping him to find a Silmaril. The series says he died "hunting Sauron".

In the legendarium, the ban on the Noldor was lifted after the War of Wrath and all were allowed to sail back to Valinor. This was a personal decision and not a reward or punishment doled out by the high king, Gil-Galad. Galadriel was free to return on her own but continued to choose a self-imposed exile for other reasons.

All the Harfoot and Southland characters were invented for the show.

{{references}}
==Reception==
* [https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/the_lord_of_the_rings_the_rings_of_power/s01 39% from audience and 85% from critics on Rotten Tomatoes]

== External links ==
* https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=wEuYPD_VttE
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Talk:The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power

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Talk:Finrod

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==Portrayal in adaptations==
:(This topic has been moved here from [[Talk:Isildur]])
Also R.E. your comments on the Finrod page. I think you're being very loose here. Yes, Finrod is an Elf and the brother of Galadriel in the Amazon show, but that is the only way he resembles his book counterpart. They changed his death, included him in events the books tell us he did not participate in and changed his personality.

That you set such high standards for the movies but are willing to give Rings of Power so much wiggle room seems like a double standard. [[User:English Lady|English Lady]] ([[User talk:English Lady|talk]]) 15:50, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

:The statement that none of his material in Rings of Power can be found in the books is the only phrase I removed as I don't think we can factually say that. He also has golden hair as described in the books, and I think there were a lot of similarities with his [https://www.reddit.com/r/LOTR_on_Prime/comments/yc74m1/death_of_finrod_in_rings_of_power_has_books_roots/ death] that were derived from the books. [[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] ([[User talk:Hyarion|talk]]) 16:12, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
::Such as? The series says he died "hunting Sauron". In the books he was killed by a werewolf saving Beren when accompanying him on his quest for the Silmaril.
::Can I say that this is determined by your personal preference for the series and hatred for the movies? You're willing to let things slide in one that you would not in the other? [[User:English Lady|English Lady]] ([[User talk:English Lady|talk]]) 17:18, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
::The series also shows him taking the Oath of Feanor which absolutely did not happen in the books. It shows all the sons of Feanor with black hair when we know at least two were redheads.
::Galadriel's hair was supposed to shine with the pure light of the 2 trees of Valinor, in the series she's just a dirty blonde with split ends. Hardly matches that description.
::The list goes on... very very little of the series is supported by the books. Why shouldn't people be allowed to point that out? [[User:English Lady|English Lady]] ([[User talk:English Lady|talk]]) 17:23, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
:::Not sure if you had a chance to read the post I linked, but [https://www.reddit.com/r/LOTR_on_Prime/comments/yc74m1/death_of_finrod_in_rings_of_power_has_books_roots/ this page] shows the subtle details of his death pretty well. (You might need to press a "Click to see spoiler" button to see the image. I enjoyed Peter Jackson's films a lot more than the Rings of Power, we just need to remember we're an encyclopedia, so saying blanket statements like "none of the material can be found in the books" is not accurate if there are ''any'' similarities. The Oath of Fëanor is listed as a difference between the books, so I'm not sure why you would think you aren't allowed to point that out? The hair color of Galadriel or the Sons of Fëanor isn't something relevant to this particular article. [[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] ([[User talk:Hyarion|talk]]) 18:00, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
::::OK granted, I may have gone a bit OTT there, but I think when it comes to misconceptions the changes to Finrod are just as likely to influence perceptions of the character.
::::BTW since it might be relevant, I noticed there was no comprehensive listing of the differences to the books in the series overall, and when I listed some one of the mods removed all the content without explanation. I moved and rewrote some of it, and still there for now, but I do have reasons to doubt the objectivity of the person in question that I don't want to mention here. [[User:English Lady|English Lady]] ([[User talk:English Lady|talk]]) 19:03, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
:::::I'm not sure I understand why reverting [[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]]'s changes was necessary. Next time can you discuss things on a talk page before reverting someone's changes? Listing the episodes by season and episode number is in line with all our other articles, more helpful to the reader than the original air date, and it will continue to make sense once Season 2 is released, the dates you added don't even have a year. You've also introduced some grammatical mistakes and removed interwiki links that LorenzoCB had added. We appreciate your cooperation. We're all working together to achieve the same goal so we need to make sure we work as a team. [[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] ([[User talk:Hyarion|talk]]) 20:44, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
::::::That was why I listed all the changes by Episode. I can add the number and air date if you like. Including year. I can also do grammar checks. However, removing all references to deviations from the lore on the grounds of a spelling error makes it appear as though the person doing it is are not being impartial and just don't want people to know the series is inacccurate. Spelling errors can be fixed, there is no reason to remove entire sections on that basis, especially when there are grammatical mistakes in some of Lorenzos pages. [[User:English Lady|English Lady]] ([[User talk:English Lady|talk]]) 20:57, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
:::::::If not mistaken, i think he reverted yiur edits because while doing this you removed a whole section. It is like vandalism. [[User:Sage|Sage]] ([[User talk:Sage|talk]]) 01:57, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
::::::::I then corrected those edits and restored the sub section, which was blank anyway.
::::::::They were still removed by him. Lorenzo is now saying that no section can be added to hightlight the lore changes and deviations from the source material in Rings of Power, even though sections have been added to the pages of the movies in which none of the content is referenced. This is misleading and depriving potential readers of valuable information because the personal bias of an Admin. Do you feel this is right? [[User:English Lady|English Lady]] ([[User talk:English Lady|talk]]) 07:27, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

== Finrod: RE - Rings of Power ==

A few discrepancies and cleaning up of the sections dedicated to Finrod's portrayal in Rings of Power. [[User:MendicantBias|MendicantBias]] ([[User talk:MendicantBias|talk]]) 06:21, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

:Hello! I wanted to give my thoughts regarding the formatting and content in this section, as I think it could very much use some improvement to bring it up to a higher standard of quality.
:I very much appreciate that the character's appearances are divided into his relevant episodes. That makes things a lot easier. Below is a copy of the first episode text alone as it exists at the time of this posting, along with my notes on changes that could be made for easier reading. Below that is my own suggested rewrite of the section for viewing.
:Galadriel recalls a memory of her brother during her childhood at the time of the Years of the Trees.
:[Could use some reworking and set up to divide Finrod's scenes. Also, I'm not certain on why this section is being labeled as "Galadriel's memories/recollections" when simply stating something along the lines of "Finrod appears entirely during the show's opening/prologue" or "Galadriel's monologue" is more clear in regards to what is happening in the show. Third, I'm unclear on why the term "Years of the Trees" is being used when the show does not make any such usage of the term. It should simply state "in Valinor".]
:In the memory, after some Elf children bully her and sink her paper swan ship, she attempts to attack one of them. However, Finrod (portrayed by Will Fletcher)
:[I'm not sure why the actor for Finrod is being stated here and in such a manner. A separate sentence at the beginning of the section should say "Finrod is portrayed by actor Will Fletcher in Amazon's The Rings of Power."]
:shows up just in time to prevent her from doing any harm. Not long after, Finrod is seen talking to Galadriel beneath a tree, where it is revealed that Galadriel had made the ship just as Finrod had taught her.
:["Not long after"? Are these not the same scene?]
:To which, Finrod asks her if she knows why ships float while stones cannot, and tells her, after a moment of silence, that stones look downwards towards the irresistible darkness of water while ships look upwards towards starlight, fighting against the darkness of water, whispering on things it would not know.
:[This feels like poor grammar. The sentence is excessively long, making it quite the run on.]
:Galadriel questions Finrod, saying that stars are reflected just as brightly within water and that it is hard to know which lights to follow, up or down. Upon thinking, Finrod whispers to her: "Sometimes we cannot know until we have touched the darkness". To this, Galadriel ponders that it sounds simple and Finrod tells her that many things are, but she must decide realize them for herself as he will not always be there to help. Not elaborating on this further, Finrod stands up and tells her that their parents are waiting for them, before walking over a hill to reveal the Two Trees.
:Later in Galadriel's recollections,
:[At this point this is a good spot to specify this as "Finrod's second scene" - though technically it is his third, as he is next shown taking the Oath of Feanor alongside other elves, which I noticed is omitted from the summary.]
:Finrod is seen in a battle shouting phrases in Quenya: "Valaron kalanen" ("By the light of the Valar!") and "Firuvantë" ("They will die!").
:Galadriel mentions that he vowed to destroy Sauron, Morgoth's sorcerer and lieutenant. Yet Sauron found and defeated Finrod first, marking his corpse with a red symbol, which not even the wisest Elves could decipher, causing Galadriel to take up her brother's vow and dagger for herself.
:[This doesn't specify that Galadriel takes the blade from Finrod's body, or properly make clear the transition between the battle scene and the next one. It also elaborates unnecessarily on details regarding the mark of Sauron.]
:Potenital rewrite:
:Finrod is portrayed by Actor Will Fletcher for Amazon's The Rings of Power Series and appears in two episodes.
:[Episode 1 summary.]
:Finrod's appearances this episode are exclusively in the show's opening prologue.
:His first scene takes place in Valinor where he breaks up a fight between the young Galadriel and other elf children after retrieving a paper boat made by Galadriel. Finrod pulls her aside and attempts to comfort Galadriel, posing a philosophical question to his sister: "Do you know why a ship floats, and a stone does not?"
:Finrod then proceeds to answer the metaphor for Galadriel (A ship looks up at the light while a stone looks down into the dark), to which she poses a question of her own regarding how one is to know which "lights" to follow. Finrod then leans in and whispers an answer, though that answer is kept hidden from the audience for this episode.
:Concluding their discussion, Finrod makes a point that Galadriel will not always have him around to explain these sort of things to her. He then tells her that their parents are waiting as he walks over a hill towards the Two Trees of Valinor.
:Finrod is next briefly seen taking an Oath alongside numerous other Elves in response to Morgoth's killing of the Two Trees of Valinor.
:Finrod is then shown in the midst of a battle with Orcs in Middle Earth, attempting to rally his troops while shouting phrases in Quenya: "Valaron kalanen" ("By the light of the Valar!") and "Firuvantë" ("They will die!").
:His final appearance in the prologue is atop his tomb, Galadriel's monologue mentioning that Finrod had died while pursuing Sauron after Morgoth's defeat. His body is shown to be clawed in numerous places and he had been branded with the Mark of Sauron. Galadriel then takes Finrod's dagger from his body to serve as a memento of her brother as she takes up his hunt for Sauron. [[User:MendicantBias|MendicantBias]] ([[User talk:MendicantBias|talk]]) 07:03, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
::Yes: also the present section on the page is misleading. It gives the impression that Finrod's "death at the hand of Sauron" is faithful to the books, when it is not. It also fails to the address the fact that the Appendices give us an accurate account of how he died consistent witht the Silmarillion, and so Amazon's rights cannot be used as to justify this change. It is in the material they have the rights to. [[User:English Lady|English Lady]] ([[User talk:English Lady|talk]]) 07:22, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
::Why don't you make those edits? [[User:English Lady|English Lady]] ([[User talk:English Lady|talk]]) 07:24, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

Talk:Finrod

2023-07-03T07:24:23Z

English Lady: /* Finrod: RE - Rings of Power */ Reply

==Portrayal in adaptations==
:(This topic has been moved here from [[Talk:Isildur]])
Also R.E. your comments on the Finrod page. I think you're being very loose here. Yes, Finrod is an Elf and the brother of Galadriel in the Amazon show, but that is the only way he resembles his book counterpart. They changed his death, included him in events the books tell us he did not participate in and changed his personality.

That you set such high standards for the movies but are willing to give Rings of Power so much wiggle room seems like a double standard. [[User:English Lady|English Lady]] ([[User talk:English Lady|talk]]) 15:50, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

:The statement that none of his material in Rings of Power can be found in the books is the only phrase I removed as I don't think we can factually say that. He also has golden hair as described in the books, and I think there were a lot of similarities with his [https://www.reddit.com/r/LOTR_on_Prime/comments/yc74m1/death_of_finrod_in_rings_of_power_has_books_roots/ death] that were derived from the books. [[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] ([[User talk:Hyarion|talk]]) 16:12, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
::Such as? The series says he died "hunting Sauron". In the books he was killed by a werewolf saving Beren when accompanying him on his quest for the Silmaril.
::Can I say that this is determined by your personal preference for the series and hatred for the movies? You're willing to let things slide in one that you would not in the other? [[User:English Lady|English Lady]] ([[User talk:English Lady|talk]]) 17:18, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
::The series also shows him taking the Oath of Feanor which absolutely did not happen in the books. It shows all the sons of Feanor with black hair when we know at least two were redheads.
::Galadriel's hair was supposed to shine with the pure light of the 2 trees of Valinor, in the series she's just a dirty blonde with split ends. Hardly matches that description.
::The list goes on... very very little of the series is supported by the books. Why shouldn't people be allowed to point that out? [[User:English Lady|English Lady]] ([[User talk:English Lady|talk]]) 17:23, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
:::Not sure if you had a chance to read the post I linked, but [https://www.reddit.com/r/LOTR_on_Prime/comments/yc74m1/death_of_finrod_in_rings_of_power_has_books_roots/ this page] shows the subtle details of his death pretty well. (You might need to press a "Click to see spoiler" button to see the image. I enjoyed Peter Jackson's films a lot more than the Rings of Power, we just need to remember we're an encyclopedia, so saying blanket statements like "none of the material can be found in the books" is not accurate if there are ''any'' similarities. The Oath of Fëanor is listed as a difference between the books, so I'm not sure why you would think you aren't allowed to point that out? The hair color of Galadriel or the Sons of Fëanor isn't something relevant to this particular article. [[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] ([[User talk:Hyarion|talk]]) 18:00, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
::::OK granted, I may have gone a bit OTT there, but I think when it comes to misconceptions the changes to Finrod are just as likely to influence perceptions of the character.
::::BTW since it might be relevant, I noticed there was no comprehensive listing of the differences to the books in the series overall, and when I listed some one of the mods removed all the content without explanation. I moved and rewrote some of it, and still there for now, but I do have reasons to doubt the objectivity of the person in question that I don't want to mention here. [[User:English Lady|English Lady]] ([[User talk:English Lady|talk]]) 19:03, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
:::::I'm not sure I understand why reverting [[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]]'s changes was necessary. Next time can you discuss things on a talk page before reverting someone's changes? Listing the episodes by season and episode number is in line with all our other articles, more helpful to the reader than the original air date, and it will continue to make sense once Season 2 is released, the dates you added don't even have a year. You've also introduced some grammatical mistakes and removed interwiki links that LorenzoCB had added. We appreciate your cooperation. We're all working together to achieve the same goal so we need to make sure we work as a team. [[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] ([[User talk:Hyarion|talk]]) 20:44, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
::::::That was why I listed all the changes by Episode. I can add the number and air date if you like. Including year. I can also do grammar checks. However, removing all references to deviations from the lore on the grounds of a spelling error makes it appear as though the person doing it is are not being impartial and just don't want people to know the series is inacccurate. Spelling errors can be fixed, there is no reason to remove entire sections on that basis, especially when there are grammatical mistakes in some of Lorenzos pages. [[User:English Lady|English Lady]] ([[User talk:English Lady|talk]]) 20:57, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
:::::::If not mistaken, i think he reverted yiur edits because while doing this you removed a whole section. It is like vandalism. [[User:Sage|Sage]] ([[User talk:Sage|talk]]) 01:57, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

== Finrod: RE - Rings of Power ==

A few discrepancies and cleaning up of the sections dedicated to Finrod's portrayal in Rings of Power. [[User:MendicantBias|MendicantBias]] ([[User talk:MendicantBias|talk]]) 06:21, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

:Hello! I wanted to give my thoughts regarding the formatting and content in this section, as I think it could very much use some improvement to bring it up to a higher standard of quality.
:I very much appreciate that the character's appearances are divided into his relevant episodes. That makes things a lot easier. Below is a copy of the first episode text alone as it exists at the time of this posting, along with my notes on changes that could be made for easier reading. Below that is my own suggested rewrite of the section for viewing.
:Galadriel recalls a memory of her brother during her childhood at the time of the Years of the Trees.
:[Could use some reworking and set up to divide Finrod's scenes. Also, I'm not certain on why this section is being labeled as "Galadriel's memories/recollections" when simply stating something along the lines of "Finrod appears entirely during the show's opening/prologue" or "Galadriel's monologue" is more clear in regards to what is happening in the show. Third, I'm unclear on why the term "Years of the Trees" is being used when the show does not make any such usage of the term. It should simply state "in Valinor".]
:In the memory, after some Elf children bully her and sink her paper swan ship, she attempts to attack one of them. However, Finrod (portrayed by Will Fletcher)
:[I'm not sure why the actor for Finrod is being stated here and in such a manner. A separate sentence at the beginning of the section should say "Finrod is portrayed by actor Will Fletcher in Amazon's The Rings of Power."]
:shows up just in time to prevent her from doing any harm. Not long after, Finrod is seen talking to Galadriel beneath a tree, where it is revealed that Galadriel had made the ship just as Finrod had taught her.
:["Not long after"? Are these not the same scene?]
:To which, Finrod asks her if she knows why ships float while stones cannot, and tells her, after a moment of silence, that stones look downwards towards the irresistible darkness of water while ships look upwards towards starlight, fighting against the darkness of water, whispering on things it would not know.
:[This feels like poor grammar. The sentence is excessively long, making it quite the run on.]
:Galadriel questions Finrod, saying that stars are reflected just as brightly within water and that it is hard to know which lights to follow, up or down. Upon thinking, Finrod whispers to her: "Sometimes we cannot know until we have touched the darkness". To this, Galadriel ponders that it sounds simple and Finrod tells her that many things are, but she must decide realize them for herself as he will not always be there to help. Not elaborating on this further, Finrod stands up and tells her that their parents are waiting for them, before walking over a hill to reveal the Two Trees.
:Later in Galadriel's recollections,
:[At this point this is a good spot to specify this as "Finrod's second scene" - though technically it is his third, as he is next shown taking the Oath of Feanor alongside other elves, which I noticed is omitted from the summary.]
:Finrod is seen in a battle shouting phrases in Quenya: "Valaron kalanen" ("By the light of the Valar!") and "Firuvantë" ("They will die!").
:Galadriel mentions that he vowed to destroy Sauron, Morgoth's sorcerer and lieutenant. Yet Sauron found and defeated Finrod first, marking his corpse with a red symbol, which not even the wisest Elves could decipher, causing Galadriel to take up her brother's vow and dagger for herself.
:[This doesn't specify that Galadriel takes the blade from Finrod's body, or properly make clear the transition between the battle scene and the next one. It also elaborates unnecessarily on details regarding the mark of Sauron.]
:Potenital rewrite:
:Finrod is portrayed by Actor Will Fletcher for Amazon's The Rings of Power Series and appears in two episodes.
:[Episode 1 summary.]
:Finrod's appearances this episode are exclusively in the show's opening prologue.
:His first scene takes place in Valinor where he breaks up a fight between the young Galadriel and other elf children after retrieving a paper boat made by Galadriel. Finrod pulls her aside and attempts to comfort Galadriel, posing a philosophical question to his sister: "Do you know why a ship floats, and a stone does not?"
:Finrod then proceeds to answer the metaphor for Galadriel (A ship looks up at the light while a stone looks down into the dark), to which she poses a question of her own regarding how one is to know which "lights" to follow. Finrod then leans in and whispers an answer, though that answer is kept hidden from the audience for this episode.
:Concluding their discussion, Finrod makes a point that Galadriel will not always have him around to explain these sort of things to her. He then tells her that their parents are waiting as he walks over a hill towards the Two Trees of Valinor.
:Finrod is next briefly seen taking an Oath alongside numerous other Elves in response to Morgoth's killing of the Two Trees of Valinor.
:Finrod is then shown in the midst of a battle with Orcs in Middle Earth, attempting to rally his troops while shouting phrases in Quenya: "Valaron kalanen" ("By the light of the Valar!") and "Firuvantë" ("They will die!").
:His final appearance in the prologue is atop his tomb, Galadriel's monologue mentioning that Finrod had died while pursuing Sauron after Morgoth's defeat. His body is shown to be clawed in numerous places and he had been branded with the Mark of Sauron. Galadriel then takes Finrod's dagger from his body to serve as a memento of her brother as she takes up his hunt for Sauron. [[User:MendicantBias|MendicantBias]] ([[User talk:MendicantBias|talk]]) 07:03, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
::Yes: also the present section on the page is misleading. It gives the impression that Finrod's "death at the hand of Sauron" is faithful to the books, when it is not. It also fails to the address the fact that the Appendices give us an accurate account of how he died consistent witht the Silmarillion, and so Amazon's rights cannot be used as to justify this change. It is in the material they have the rights to. [[User:English Lady|English Lady]] ([[User talk:English Lady|talk]]) 07:22, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
::Why don't you make those edits? [[User:English Lady|English Lady]] ([[User talk:English Lady|talk]]) 07:24, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

Talk:Finrod

2023-07-03T07:22:24Z

English Lady: /* Finrod: RE - Rings of Power */ Reply

==Portrayal in adaptations==
:(This topic has been moved here from [[Talk:Isildur]])
Also R.E. your comments on the Finrod page. I think you're being very loose here. Yes, Finrod is an Elf and the brother of Galadriel in the Amazon show, but that is the only way he resembles his book counterpart. They changed his death, included him in events the books tell us he did not participate in and changed his personality.

That you set such high standards for the movies but are willing to give Rings of Power so much wiggle room seems like a double standard. [[User:English Lady|English Lady]] ([[User talk:English Lady|talk]]) 15:50, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

:The statement that none of his material in Rings of Power can be found in the books is the only phrase I removed as I don't think we can factually say that. He also has golden hair as described in the books, and I think there were a lot of similarities with his [https://www.reddit.com/r/LOTR_on_Prime/comments/yc74m1/death_of_finrod_in_rings_of_power_has_books_roots/ death] that were derived from the books. [[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] ([[User talk:Hyarion|talk]]) 16:12, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
::Such as? The series says he died "hunting Sauron". In the books he was killed by a werewolf saving Beren when accompanying him on his quest for the Silmaril.
::Can I say that this is determined by your personal preference for the series and hatred for the movies? You're willing to let things slide in one that you would not in the other? [[User:English Lady|English Lady]] ([[User talk:English Lady|talk]]) 17:18, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
::The series also shows him taking the Oath of Feanor which absolutely did not happen in the books. It shows all the sons of Feanor with black hair when we know at least two were redheads.
::Galadriel's hair was supposed to shine with the pure light of the 2 trees of Valinor, in the series she's just a dirty blonde with split ends. Hardly matches that description.
::The list goes on... very very little of the series is supported by the books. Why shouldn't people be allowed to point that out? [[User:English Lady|English Lady]] ([[User talk:English Lady|talk]]) 17:23, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
:::Not sure if you had a chance to read the post I linked, but [https://www.reddit.com/r/LOTR_on_Prime/comments/yc74m1/death_of_finrod_in_rings_of_power_has_books_roots/ this page] shows the subtle details of his death pretty well. (You might need to press a "Click to see spoiler" button to see the image. I enjoyed Peter Jackson's films a lot more than the Rings of Power, we just need to remember we're an encyclopedia, so saying blanket statements like "none of the material can be found in the books" is not accurate if there are ''any'' similarities. The Oath of Fëanor is listed as a difference between the books, so I'm not sure why you would think you aren't allowed to point that out? The hair color of Galadriel or the Sons of Fëanor isn't something relevant to this particular article. [[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] ([[User talk:Hyarion|talk]]) 18:00, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
::::OK granted, I may have gone a bit OTT there, but I think when it comes to misconceptions the changes to Finrod are just as likely to influence perceptions of the character.
::::BTW since it might be relevant, I noticed there was no comprehensive listing of the differences to the books in the series overall, and when I listed some one of the mods removed all the content without explanation. I moved and rewrote some of it, and still there for now, but I do have reasons to doubt the objectivity of the person in question that I don't want to mention here. [[User:English Lady|English Lady]] ([[User talk:English Lady|talk]]) 19:03, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
:::::I'm not sure I understand why reverting [[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]]'s changes was necessary. Next time can you discuss things on a talk page before reverting someone's changes? Listing the episodes by season and episode number is in line with all our other articles, more helpful to the reader than the original air date, and it will continue to make sense once Season 2 is released, the dates you added don't even have a year. You've also introduced some grammatical mistakes and removed interwiki links that LorenzoCB had added. We appreciate your cooperation. We're all working together to achieve the same goal so we need to make sure we work as a team. [[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] ([[User talk:Hyarion|talk]]) 20:44, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
::::::That was why I listed all the changes by Episode. I can add the number and air date if you like. Including year. I can also do grammar checks. However, removing all references to deviations from the lore on the grounds of a spelling error makes it appear as though the person doing it is are not being impartial and just don't want people to know the series is inacccurate. Spelling errors can be fixed, there is no reason to remove entire sections on that basis, especially when there are grammatical mistakes in some of Lorenzos pages. [[User:English Lady|English Lady]] ([[User talk:English Lady|talk]]) 20:57, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
:::::::If not mistaken, i think he reverted yiur edits because while doing this you removed a whole section. It is like vandalism. [[User:Sage|Sage]] ([[User talk:Sage|talk]]) 01:57, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

== Finrod: RE - Rings of Power ==

A few discrepancies and cleaning up of the sections dedicated to Finrod's portrayal in Rings of Power. [[User:MendicantBias|MendicantBias]] ([[User talk:MendicantBias|talk]]) 06:21, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

:Hello! I wanted to give my thoughts regarding the formatting and content in this section, as I think it could very much use some improvement to bring it up to a higher standard of quality.
:I very much appreciate that the character's appearances are divided into his relevant episodes. That makes things a lot easier. Below is a copy of the first episode text alone as it exists at the time of this posting, along with my notes on changes that could be made for easier reading. Below that is my own suggested rewrite of the section for viewing.
:Galadriel recalls a memory of her brother during her childhood at the time of the Years of the Trees.
:[Could use some reworking and set up to divide Finrod's scenes. Also, I'm not certain on why this section is being labeled as "Galadriel's memories/recollections" when simply stating something along the lines of "Finrod appears entirely during the show's opening/prologue" or "Galadriel's monologue" is more clear in regards to what is happening in the show. Third, I'm unclear on why the term "Years of the Trees" is being used when the show does not make any such usage of the term. It should simply state "in Valinor".]
:In the memory, after some Elf children bully her and sink her paper swan ship, she attempts to attack one of them. However, Finrod (portrayed by Will Fletcher)
:[I'm not sure why the actor for Finrod is being stated here and in such a manner. A separate sentence at the beginning of the section should say "Finrod is portrayed by actor Will Fletcher in Amazon's The Rings of Power."]
:shows up just in time to prevent her from doing any harm. Not long after, Finrod is seen talking to Galadriel beneath a tree, where it is revealed that Galadriel had made the ship just as Finrod had taught her.
:["Not long after"? Are these not the same scene?]
:To which, Finrod asks her if she knows why ships float while stones cannot, and tells her, after a moment of silence, that stones look downwards towards the irresistible darkness of water while ships look upwards towards starlight, fighting against the darkness of water, whispering on things it would not know.
:[This feels like poor grammar. The sentence is excessively long, making it quite the run on.]
:Galadriel questions Finrod, saying that stars are reflected just as brightly within water and that it is hard to know which lights to follow, up or down. Upon thinking, Finrod whispers to her: "Sometimes we cannot know until we have touched the darkness". To this, Galadriel ponders that it sounds simple and Finrod tells her that many things are, but she must decide realize them for herself as he will not always be there to help. Not elaborating on this further, Finrod stands up and tells her that their parents are waiting for them, before walking over a hill to reveal the Two Trees.
:Later in Galadriel's recollections,
:[At this point this is a good spot to specify this as "Finrod's second scene" - though technically it is his third, as he is next shown taking the Oath of Feanor alongside other elves, which I noticed is omitted from the summary.]
:Finrod is seen in a battle shouting phrases in Quenya: "Valaron kalanen" ("By the light of the Valar!") and "Firuvantë" ("They will die!").
:Galadriel mentions that he vowed to destroy Sauron, Morgoth's sorcerer and lieutenant. Yet Sauron found and defeated Finrod first, marking his corpse with a red symbol, which not even the wisest Elves could decipher, causing Galadriel to take up her brother's vow and dagger for herself.
:[This doesn't specify that Galadriel takes the blade from Finrod's body, or properly make clear the transition between the battle scene and the next one. It also elaborates unnecessarily on details regarding the mark of Sauron.]
:Potenital rewrite:
:Finrod is portrayed by Actor Will Fletcher for Amazon's The Rings of Power Series and appears in two episodes.
:[Episode 1 summary.]
:Finrod's appearances this episode are exclusively in the show's opening prologue.
:His first scene takes place in Valinor where he breaks up a fight between the young Galadriel and other elf children after retrieving a paper boat made by Galadriel. Finrod pulls her aside and attempts to comfort Galadriel, posing a philosophical question to his sister: "Do you know why a ship floats, and a stone does not?"
:Finrod then proceeds to answer the metaphor for Galadriel (A ship looks up at the light while a stone looks down into the dark), to which she poses a question of her own regarding how one is to know which "lights" to follow. Finrod then leans in and whispers an answer, though that answer is kept hidden from the audience for this episode.
:Concluding their discussion, Finrod makes a point that Galadriel will not always have him around to explain these sort of things to her. He then tells her that their parents are waiting as he walks over a hill towards the Two Trees of Valinor.
:Finrod is next briefly seen taking an Oath alongside numerous other Elves in response to Morgoth's killing of the Two Trees of Valinor.
:Finrod is then shown in the midst of a battle with Orcs in Middle Earth, attempting to rally his troops while shouting phrases in Quenya: "Valaron kalanen" ("By the light of the Valar!") and "Firuvantë" ("They will die!").
:His final appearance in the prologue is atop his tomb, Galadriel's monologue mentioning that Finrod had died while pursuing Sauron after Morgoth's defeat. His body is shown to be clawed in numerous places and he had been branded with the Mark of Sauron. Galadriel then takes Finrod's dagger from his body to serve as a memento of her brother as she takes up his hunt for Sauron. [[User:MendicantBias|MendicantBias]] ([[User talk:MendicantBias|talk]]) 07:03, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
::Yes: also the present section on the page is misleading. It gives the impression that Finrod's "death at the hand of Sauron" is faithful to the books, when it is not. It also fails to the address the fact that the Appendices give us an accurate account of how he died consistent witht the Silmarillion, and so Amazon's rights cannot be used as to justify this change. It is in the material they have the rights to. [[User:English Lady|English Lady]] ([[User talk:English Lady|talk]]) 07:22, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

Talk:The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power

2023-07-03T07:18:47Z

English Lady: /* Deviations from the Source Material */ Reply

Talk:The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power

2023-07-03T07:16:48Z

English Lady: /* Deviations from the Source Material */ Reply

Talk:Isildur

2023-07-02T21:41:00Z

English Lady: /* Television */ new section

== Portrayal in adaptations ==

Hi @[[User:English Lady|English Lady]], I noticed the following statement was removed, just wanted to make sure that was intentional. Is it inaccurate? "In the movie, Isildur apparently is the last king of Gondor; Anárion and heirs and Arnor do not appear at all. However, in the Extended Editions both Arnor and the House of Anárion are mentioned, and at times it is clear that Isildur was not the last King, so this might be dialogue error." [[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] ([[User talk:Hyarion|talk]]) 19:31, 1 July 2023 (UTC)

:I removed the statement because it was inaccurate. Nowhere in the movies is it claimed Isildur was the last King of Gondor. [[User:English Lady|English Lady]] ([[User talk:English Lady|talk]]) 06:49, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
::Hm, what about [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJ5uPobxRjg&t=10s this scene]? [[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] ([[User talk:Hyarion|talk]]) 07:27, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
:::Could be just a minor error in the dialogue. Nitpicking if you ask me. You wouldn't, I assume respond too well about me nickpicking over Rings of Power? [[User:English Lady|English Lady]] ([[User talk:English Lady|talk]]) 09:32, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
::I'd also refer you to the page on Gondor. Isildur was the first and last joint King of Gondor (with Anarion), After his death it became an independent realm. [[Gondor]], [[User:English Lady|English Lady]] ([[User talk:English Lady|talk]]) 09:37, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
:::Sorry I appreciate your help and don't mean to step on your toes, I'm just trying to make sure if we remove a statement from the article that it's either inaccurate or there's a consensus that it doesn't belong. I think we can agree now that the film does state Isildur is the last king, as to whether it's noteworthy to include in the article; fans who have watched the movie have asked if Isildur was the last king of Gondor[http://www.killermovies.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-25170-last-king-of-gondor.html 1][https://www.reddit.com/r/lotr/comments/ay7178/so_ive_been_rewatching_the_movies_lately/ 2] [[Eärnur]]'s Portrayal in adaptations section also mentions this difference in the film, and since the film's dialog conflicts with who we say is the [[King of Gondor|last king]], in my opinion it doesn't seem like something that is worthless. [[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] ([[User talk:Hyarion|talk]]) 15:17, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
::::Is Earnur mentioned in the book? If not it could have been a rights issue. [[User:English Lady|English Lady]] ([[User talk:English Lady|talk]]) 15:47, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
:::::Yeah he has quite a few mentions, not sure if you're familiar with the [[Digital Tolkien Project]] but it has a nifty [https://search.digitaltolkien.com/?terms=E%C3%A4rnur search feature] that has saved me a lot of time. [[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] ([[User talk:Hyarion|talk]]) 15:51, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
::::::Well, I mean if we're being technical, Isildur's line ruled Arnor, not Gondor. He only person of his line who ruled Gondor was - him. [[User:English Lady|English Lady]] ([[User talk:English Lady|talk]]) 17:15, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
:::::::We're an encyclopedia, so we always want to be technical :) The quote from the film is not "Isildur, the last of his line to rule Gondor". It is "the last [[King of Gondor]]". Isildur is not the last King of Gondor. I appreciate your input though! [[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] ([[User talk:Hyarion|talk]]) 19:04, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

== Television ==

Saying "found in the source materials" is too vague. I think we should stick to terms like "found in the books" which are used elsewhere in the article. [[User:English Lady|English Lady]] ([[User talk:English Lady|talk]]) 21:41, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

Isildur

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English Lady: Television

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| name=Isildur
| image=[[File:Liz Danforth - Isildur.png|250px]]
| caption="Isildur" by [[Liz Danforth]]
| pronun=
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| titles=Great King, [[High King (Dúnedain)|High King]], King of all the Dúnedain, [[King of Arnor]], [[King of Gondor]], King of the Southern Realm, Lord of Arnor and Gondor
| position=
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| affiliation=[[Faithful]], [[Last Alliance of Elves and Men]]
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| birthlocation=[[Númenor]]
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| death=[[5 October]], {{TA|2}}
| deathlocation=[[Disaster of the Gladden Fields]]
| age=234
| notablefor=Founded [[Gondor]] with [[Anárion]] and later cut the [[One Ring]] from the hand of [[Sauron]]
| house=[[House of Elendil]], founded the [[House of Isildur]]
| parentage=[[Elendil]]
| siblings=[[Anárion]]
| spouse=
| children=[[Elendur (son of Isildur)|Elendur]], [[Aratan]], [[Ciryon]] & [[Valandil (King of Arnor)|Valandil]]
| gender=Male
| height=7 feet (2.13 m)<ref>{{HM|RC}}, p. 229</ref>
| hair=Black
| eyes=Grey
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'''Isildur''' was the eldest son and heir of [[Elendil]], the first [[High King (Dúnedain)|High King]] of the [[Realms in Exile]].

== History ==
===Early Years in Númenor===
Isildur was born in Númenor in {{SA|3209}}. He was the elder son of [[Elendil]], son of [[Amandil]], the last [[Lords of Andúnië|Lord of Andúnië]]. His younger brother was [[Anárion]]. While living in the island realm he married and his first son, [[Elendur (son of Isildur)|Elendur]] was born in {{SA|3299|n}}.<ref name="Elendil">{{PM|Elendil}}</ref>

Isildur learned from Amandil that King [[Ar-Pharazôn]], under the influence of [[Sauron]], purposed to cut down [[Nimloth of Númenor|Nimloth]]. One night Isildur went in disguise to [[Armenelos]] and from the courts of the King stole a fruit from the tree before it was cut down, thus preserving the line of the [[White Tree of Gondor|White Tree]]. It is said that he received grievous wounds from the King's guards before escaping but that they all healed when a leaf first appeared on the sapling that grew from the fruit he had taken.<ref name="Akallabeth">{{S|Akallabeth}}</ref>

When Ar-Pharazôn ordered the [[Great Armament]] to assail the land of [[Aman]], Elendil and his sons prepared ships to escape from Númenor. In the ship of Isildur was guarded the young White Tree.<ref name="Akallabeth"/> When the [[Downfall of Númenor]] came in {{SA|3319|n}}<ref name="SA">{{App|SA}}</ref> Elendil and his sons escaped in nine ships – four for Elendil, three for Isildur, and two for Anárion.<ref name="Akallabeth"/>

===Joint Reign of Gondor===
In the great storm that came with the drowning of Númenor the nine ships of the Exiles were borne to the east and scattered. Elendil was cast up in the land of [[Lindon]], passed up the River [[Lhûn]], and founded the realm of [[Arnor]]. Isildur and Anárion were carried to the south. Arriving at the mouths of the [[Anduin]], they ascended the great river and founded the realm of [[Gondor]].<ref name="Rings">{{S|Rings}}</ref> While the Exiles were establishing their [[Realms in Exile]] in {{SA|3320}} however, Sauron had also escaped and re-established his power in [[Mordor]] .<ref name="SA"/>

Isildur set up his house in [[Minas Ithil]], where he planted the White Tree, while Anárion established his household in [[Minas Anor]]. However, they jointly ruled the kingdom and set up thrones side by side in the Great Hall of [[Osgiliath]].<ref name="Rings"/> Isildur and his wife had two more sons, [[Aratan]] (in {{SA|3339|n}}) and [[Ciryon]] (in {{SA|3379|n}}), while living in Gondor.<ref name="Elendil"/>

In {{SA|3429|n}} [[Sauron]] [[First Fall of Minas Ithil|captured Minas Ithil]] and burnt the White Tree. Yet Isildur escaped with his wife and sons, and a seedling of the White Tree. While Anárion held Osgiliath, Isildur and his family sailed down the Anduin, then northwest his father in [[Arnor]] and to [[Gil-galad]] in [[Lindon]].<ref name="Rings"/><ref name="SA"/>

===The War of the Last Alliance===
[[File:The Lord of the Rings (film series) - Isildur mural.jpg|200px|thumb|left|''Isildur mural'' in ''[[The Lord of the Rings (film series)]]'', art by [[Alan Lee]]]]
In {{SA|3430}}, the same year that Isildur's fourth son [[Valandil (King of Arnor)|Valandil]] was born, Isildur's father Elendil and Gil-galad formed the [[Last Alliance of Elves and Men]]. The army of the Alliance marched to [[Rivendell|Imladris]] in {{SA|3431|n}}, where Isildur left his wife and Valandil before the host moved on. In {{SA|3434|n}} the combined armies of Elves and Men crossed the [[Misty Mountains]] and marched on to the [[Dagorlad]]. There the forces of Sauron were defeated and he retreated into the [[Barad-dûr]] to withstand a siege.<ref name="SA"/>

The siege lasted seven years, but finally Elendil and Gil-galad threw down Sauron, thus winning the battle though both were slain and Elendil's sword [[Narsil]] broke under him as he fell. Isildur took the hilt shard of his father's sword and cut [[the One Ring]] from Sauron's finger. Ignoring the advice of [[Elrond]] and [[Círdan]], lieutenant of Gil-galad, Isildur did not destroy the Ring; instead he claimed it as a weregild for the deaths of his father and brother, and an heirloom for his House. <ref name="Rings"/>

===Triumph and Disaster===
After the fall of Sauron, Isildur returned to Gondor and assumed the [[Elendilmir]], proclaiming his Kingship in Arnor and sovereign lordship over the [[Dúnedain]] in both the North and the South. <ref name="Gladden">{{UT|Gladden}}</ref><ref>{{App|Gondor}}</ref> He remained for a year in the South, planted the seedling of the White Tree in Minas Anor in memory of his brother [[Anárion]], put the realm to order, and instructed his nephew [[Meneldil]], son of Anárion, in the governance of the land.<ref name=ta>{{App|TA}}</ref> With Meneldil and a company of trusted friends, Isildur rode about the boundaries of Gondor and in [[Anórien]] created the [[Tomb of Elendil|tomb]] and memorial of Elendil upon the hill of [[Eilenaer]], thereafter called [[Amon Anwar]].<ref>{{UT|Cirion}}</ref> While he remained there, he wrote an [[Scroll of Isildur|account]] on how he acquired the Ring, its significance to his [[House of Isildur|House]] and where he transcribed a [[Ring Verse|verse]] found upon the Ring while it was still hot.<ref>{{FR|Council}}</ref>

When Isildur finally felt free to leave he committed the rule of Gondor to Meneldil and with his three sons<ref name=ta/> departed on [[5 September|5]] [[Ivanneth]], {{TA|2}}. Instead of heading west and then north they journeyed northwards along the Anduin in order to first come to Imladris where his wife and little son Valandil were.<ref name="Rings"/> On the thirtieth day of the journey, [[5 October|5]] [[Narbeleth]], the King, his sons, and his Guard of two hundred knights and soldiers reached the northern borders of the [[Gladden Fields]]. Isildur believed that all soldiers of the Enemy perished so his camp was unguarded.<ref name="Rings"/> There they were ambushed by a band of [[Orcs]] said to be ten times their number.
[[File:Anke Eißmann - The Death of Isildur.jpg|thumb|''The Death of Isildur'' by [[Anke Eißmann]]]]
As the Orcs closed in, Isildur sent his esquire [[Ohtar]] with one companion to fly with the shards of Narsil. The enemy charged and charged again. One by one Isildur's sons died about him;<ref name=ta/> Elendur was the last and he insisted that Isildur leave with the One Ring. Isildur placed the Ring upon his finger and vanished from the [[Disaster of the Gladden Fields|battle]].

The Orcs could still sense his smell<ref name="Rings"/> and Isildur ran to the Anduin and swam across the river. It was during this effort that the One Ring slipped from his finger. As he struggled to escape the reeds and rushes on the shore a small party of Orcs spotted him and shot him. He fell back into the water and no trace of him was found by Elves or Men.<ref name="Gladden"/>

===Legacy===
The [[House of Isildur|line of Isildur]] continued, for Valandil became king of Arnor. Isildur's line continued unbroken throughout the [[Third Age]] until it formed the basis for [[Aragorn]]'s claim to the kingship of Arnor and Gondor after the downfall of Sauron.<ref>{{RK|VI5}}</ref>

In the riddling rhyme "''Seek for the Sword that was Broken''" the Ring is referred to cryptically as ''Isildur's Bane''.<ref>{{FR|II2}}</ref>

After the [[War of the Ring]] the tower of [[Orthanc]] was opened, for King Elessar desired its restoration. Behind a hidden door in a steel closet was found Isildur's [[Star of Elendil|Elendilmir]]. It was surmised that [[Saruman]] had found the bones of the long-lost king and had taken the ''[[mithril]]'' fillet with its jewel for his own, possibly destroying the king's remains afterwards.<ref name="Gladden"/>

==Etymology==
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''Isildur'' is a [[Quenya]] name, meaning "Servant of the Moon", from ''[[Ithil]]'' ("Moon") + ''[[-dur]]'' ("servant").<ref>{{PE|Eldarin}}, p. 28</ref>

== Genealogy ==
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==Portrayal in adaptations==
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|File:The Lord of the Rings - The Motion Picture Trilogy - Isildur.jpg|[[Harry Sinclair]] as Isildur in ''[[The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring]]''
|File:The Lord of the Rings Online - Isildur.jpg|Isildur in ''[[The Lord of the Rings Online]]''
|File:The Rings of Power (TV series) - Isildur.jpg|[[Maxim Baldry]] as Isildur in ''[[The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power]]''
}}
===Films===
'''1978: [[The Lord of the Rings (1978 film)|''The Lord of the Rings'' (1978 film)]]:'''
:Prince Isildur is mentioned in the [[Prologue: A Ring's Tale (1978 scene)|prologue]], and he is shown to cut the Ring off Sauron's hand in battle, rather than from a defeated Sauron.

'''2001-2002: [[The Lord of the Rings (film series)|''The Lord of the Rings'' (film series)]]:'''
:Isildur briefly appears in the first scenes of [[The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring|the first film]], as well as an extended flashback scene. Isildur is played by [[Harry Sinclair]]. Sinclair, a friend of [[Peter Jackson]], was asked because he was the most corrupt looking person Jackson knew. Sinclair had only one line, "No!", which was dubbed by [[Hugo Weaving]]. The story of Isildur's succumbing to the temptation of the Ring bothers Aragorn who fears that he could have the same weakness (a fear that is not evident in the book). In the book, the Ring simply disappeared when Isildur died and nobody knew what had happened to it until it was found by Gollum over 2000 years later.

===Television===
'''2022: [[The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power|''The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power'']], Season One:'''
:Isildur is portrayed by [[Maxim Baldry]].<ref>{{webcite|author=[[Alice Jones]]|articleurl=https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2022/02/amazon-the-rings-of-power-series-first-look|articlename=Amazon's Lord of the Rings Series Rises: Inside The Rings of Power
|dated=10-February-2022|website=[https://www.vanityfair.com VanityFair]|accessed=12-February-2022}}</ref> None of the plotlines in which he is involved are found in the books, including his travelling to the Southlands and joining Galadriel's invasion of the Southlands at the head of the Númenorian army. He first appears on the [[Adar (episode)|third episode]] on a ship at sea near [[Númenor]]. He is later presumed dead after a burning log falls on him in the [[Mordor|Southlands]].

===Games===
'''2002: [[The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers (video game)]]'':'''
:In the game starts with a prologue, where you control Isildur on the slopes of Mount Doom. After you complete the mission you see how Isildur defeats Sauron. By completing the Tower of Orthanc bonus level, Isildur becomes a playable character in the other stages, where he takes the place of his descendant Aragorn. Strangely, Isildur's version of the "Tower of Orthanc" level has the same script as Aragorn's, leading to Saruman referring to the ancient King of Gondor as a "ragtag Ranger".

'''2006: ''[[The Lord of the Rings: The Battle for Middle-earth II]]'':'''
:Isildur appears only in cinematics battling [[Sauron]]. However, in the [[The Lord of the Rings: The Battle for Middle-earth II: The Rise of the Witch-king|expansion pack ''The Rise of the Witch-king'']], Isildur is mentioned more detailed in the [[Angmar]] campaign.

'''2007-2019: ''[[The Lord of the Rings Online]]'':'''
:Isildur makes an appearance in a flashback scene titles "At the Stone of Erech". It covers the oath gives to Isildur by the men of [[Dunharrow]], subsequent return of Sauron several years later, the betrayal of the Dunharrow men and the curse that Isildur lays upon them. He also appears during the [[Battle of Dagorlad]], during the High Elf introduction, as well as in a flashback of the battle.

:With Update 24.2, it is revealed that the Shade of Isildur was saved by Gultháva, the River-maiden of the Gladden, who kept the lost king secluded within a secret grotto in order to protect him from harm. He is encountered after the [[War of the Ring]], in an abandoned dwarf-hold situated above the [[Gladden Fields]].
'''2017: ''[[Middle-earth: Shadow of War]]'':'''
:After Isildur's (voiced by [[Nolan North]]) death, the Orcs brought his body to the diminished and vengeful [[Sauron]], who put a [[Nine Rings|Ring of Power]] on his finger, reviving him as one of his servants and eventually turning him into a [[Nazgûl]]. As one of the Ringwraiths, Isildur was forced to serve the [[Dark Lord]] for all time, until he was defeated and freed by "Talion". Later, the Ranger claimed his ring to survive after [[Celebrimbor]] abandoned him, and eventually took Isildur's place among the Nazgûl after holding back Sauron's forces for decades.

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{{disambig-more|Rings of Power|[[Rings of Power (disambiguation)]]}}
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| image=[[File:Amazon - The Lord of the Rings - The Rings of Power.png|250px]]
| name=The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power
| director=
| producer=[[J.D. Payne]] (showrunner) [[Patrick McKay]] (showrunner) Christina Morgan (executive producer) Lindsey Weber (executive producer) [[Callum Greene]] (executive producer) Justin Doble (executive producer) Gennifer Hutchison (executive producer) Jason Cahill (executive producer) [[J. A. Bayona]] (executive producer) Belén Atienza (executive producer) Eugene Kelly (executive producer) Bruce Richmond (executive producer) Sharon Tal Yguado (executive producer) Ron Ames Chris Newman
| writer='''Novels:''' [[J.R.R. Tolkien]] '''Screenplay:''' John D. Payne and Patrick McKay (mainly)
| narrator=
| starring=''[[#Cast and characters|see below]]''
| music=[[Bear McCreary]] [[Howard Shore]] (main theme)
| cinematography=
| editing=
| distributor=Amazon Prime Video
| released=[[1 September]] [[2022]] (''[[A Shadow of the Past]]'' & ''[[Adrift]]'')
| runtime=65 - 72 minutes
| country=United States United Kingdom New Zealand
| language=English
| budget=
| website=[http://www.amazon.com/adlp/lotronprime Official website]
| imdb_id=7631058
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'''''The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power''''', originally marketed as '''''The Lord of the Rings on Prime''''', is an online television series based on the writings of [[J.R.R. Tolkien]], namely ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'' and its [[The Lord of the Rings Appendices|Appendices]]. It is created and produced by [[Amazon Studios]] working alongside the [[Tolkien Estate]], the [[The Tolkien Trust|Tolkien Trust]], [[HarperCollins]] and [[New Line Cinema]]. Set in the [[Second Age]] of [[Middle-earth]],<ref name="AMSA">{{webcite|author=|articleurl=http://twitter.com/LOTRonPrime/status/1103656946509344768|articlename=Welcome to the Second Age:|dated=7 March 2019|website=Twitter|accessed=30 January 2020}}</ref> it explores new storylines preceding J.R.R. Tolkien's ''[[The Fellowship of the Ring]].''<ref name="AMNZ">{{webcite|author=|articleurl=http://press.aboutamazon.com/news-releases/news-release-details/amazon-studios-announces-new-zealand-location-its-upcoming|articlename=Amazon Studios Announces New Zealand as Location for Its Upcoming Series Based on The Lord of the Rings|dated=17 September 2019|website=Amazon|accessed=18 September 2019}}</ref> The story, which in Tolkien's writings spanned thousands of years, is condensed into a single point in time to avoid time jumps in the interest of narrative cohesion.<ref name="VanityFair"></ref> The first two episodes were released on [[1 September]] of [[2022]]<ref>{{webcite|author=|articleurl=https://www.whathifi.com/advice/how-to-watch-lord-of-the-rings-the-rings-of-power-release-date-trailer-cast-episodes|articlename=How to watch Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power – release date, trailer, cast, episodes available now|dated=2 September 2022|website=[https://www.whathifi.com/ What Hi-Fi]|accessed=10 October 2022}}</ref>, although they were originally scheduled to be released on [[2 September]] of the same year, the anniversary of J.R.R. Tolkien's death.<ref>{{webcite|author=@LOTRonPrime|articleurl=http://twitter.com/LOTRonPrime/status/1422255647106617359|articlename=A new journey beings|dated=2 August 2021|website=Twitter|accessed=2 August 2021}}</ref>

== Premise ==
{{blockquote|Amazon Studios' forthcoming series brings to screens for the very first time the heroic legends of the fabled Second Age of Middle-earth's history. This epic drama is set thousands of years before the events of J.R.R. Tolkien’s The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings, and will take viewers back to an era in which great powers were forged, kingdoms rose to glory and fell to ruin, unlikely heroes were tested, hope hung by the finest of threads, and the greatest villain that ever flowed from Tolkien's pen threatened to cover all the world in darkness. Beginning in a time of relative peace, the series follows an ensemble cast of characters, both familiar and new, as they confront the long-feared re-emergence of evil to Middle-earth. From the darkest depths of the Misty Mountains, to the majestic forests of the elf-capital of Lindon, to the breathtaking island kingdom of Númenor, to the furthest reaches of the map, these kingdoms and characters will carve out legacies that live on long after they are gone.|Official synopsis<ref>{{webcite|author=Justin Sewell|articleurl=http://www.theonering.net/torwp/2021/01/12/110065-exclusive-official-show-synopsis-for-amazons-lord-of-the-rings-series/|articlename=EXCLUSIVE: Official Show Synopsis for Amazon’s LORD OF THE RINGS Series|dated=12 January 2021|website=[http://www.theonering.net TheOneRing]|accessed=13 January 2021}}</ref>}}

== Source material and copyrights ==
The showrunners said that they wish to "come up with the novel Tolkien never wrote and do it as the mega-event series".<ref name="VanityFair"></ref> They explained that they only have the copyrights to adapt ''[[The Hobbit]]'' and ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'' along with its [[Appendices]], without the rights to ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', ''[[Unfinished Tales]]'' or other books that contain the vast majority of Tolkien's writings on the [[Second Age]].<ref name="VFQuestions">{{webcite|author=burning questions about amazons the rings of power|articleurl= https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2022/02/10-burning-questions-about-amazons-the-rings-of-power |articlename=Amazon’s Lord of the Rings Series: FAQ|dated=14 February 2022|website=[https://www.vanityfair.com/ Vanity Fair]|accessed=16 February 2022}}</ref>

== Episodes ==
=== [[The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power - Season 1|Season 1]] ===
# [[A Shadow of the Past]]
# [[Adrift]]
# [[Adar (episode)|Adar]]
# [[The Great Wave]]
# [[Partings]]
# [[Udûn (episode)|Udûn]]
# [[The Eye]]
# [[Alloyed]]

=== [[The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power - Season 2|Season 2]] ===

== Cast and characters ==
''In alphabetical order''
=== Main cast introduced in Season 1 ===
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|- bgcolor="#CCCCCC"
! Actor !! Role
|-
| [[Cynthia Addai-Robinson]] || [[Tar-Míriel|Queen Regent Míriel]]<ref>{{webcite|author=The Lord of the Rings on Prime|articleurl=https://twitter.com/LOTRonPrime/status/1547418520400658432|articlename=Cynthia Addai-Robinson is Queen Regent Míriel|dated=14 February 2022|website=[https://twitter.com Twitter]|accessed=14 February 2022}}</ref>
|-
| [[Robert Aramayo]] || [[Elrond]]<ref>{{webcite|author=The Lord of the Rings on Prime|articleurl=https://twitter.com/LOTRonPrime/status/1492167519439925260|articlename=Robert Aramayo is Elrond. #LOTRROP|dated=9 June 2022|website=[https://twitter.com Twitter]|accessed=11 June 2022}}</ref>
|-
| [[Owain Arthur]] || [[Durin IV|Prince Durin IV]]<ref>{{webcite|author=The Lord of the Rings on Prime|articleurl=https://twitter.com/LOTRonPrime/status/1492168323051802626|articlename=Owain Arthur is Prince Durin IV. #LOTRROP|dated=9 June 2022|website=[https://twitter.com Twitter]|accessed=11 June 2022}}</ref>
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| [[Maxim Baldry]] || [[Isildur]]<ref>{{webcite|author=The Lord of the Rings on Prime|articleurl=https://twitter.com/LOTRonPrime/status/1547417633603059712|articlename=Maxim Baldry is Isildur|dated=14 February 2022|website=[https://twitter.com Twitter]|accessed=14 February 2022}}</ref>
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| [[Nazanin Boniadi]] || [[Bronwyn]]<ref>{{webcite|author=The Lord of the Rings on Prime|articleurl=https://twitter.com/LOTRonPrime/status/1492168861403299841|articlename=Nazanin Boniadi is Bronwyn. #LOTRROP|dated=9 June 2022|website=[https://twitter.com Twitter]|accessed=11 June 2022}}</ref>
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| [[Morfydd Clark]] || [[Galadriel]]<ref>{{webcite|author=The Lord of the Rings on Prime|articleurl=https://twitter.com/LOTRonPrime/status/1492167351902609413|articlename=Morfydd Clark is Galadriel. #LOTRROP|dated=9 June 2022|website=[https://twitter.com Twitter]|accessed=11 June 2022}}</ref>
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| [[Ismael Cruz Córdova]] || [[Arondir]]<ref>{{webcite|author=The Lord of the Rings on Prime|articleurl=https://twitter.com/LOTRonPrime/status/1492168672051445771|articlename=Ismael Cruz Cordova is Arondir. #LOTRROP|dated=9 June 2022|website=[https://twitter.com Twitter]|accessed=11 June 2022}}</ref>
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| [[Charles Edwards]] || [[Celebrimbor|Lord Celebrimbor]]<ref>{{webcite|author=The Lord of the Rings on Prime|articleurl=https://twitter.com/LOTRonPrime/status/1534220750311174144|articlename=Charles Edwards is Celebrimbor|dated=14 February 2022|website=[https://twitter.com Twitter]|accessed=14 February 2022}}</ref>
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| [[Trystan Gravelle]] || [[Pharazôn]]<ref>{{webcite|author=The Lord of the Rings on Prime|articleurl=https://twitter.com/LOTRonPrime/status/1547418058515521537|articlename=Trystan Gravelle is Pharazôn|dated=14 February 2022|website=[https://twitter.com Twitter]|accessed=14 February 2022}}</ref>
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| [[Lenny Henry|Sir Lenny Henry]] || [[Sadoc Burrows]]<ref>{{webcite|author=The Lord of the Rings on Prime|articleurl=https://twitter.com/LOTRonPrime/status/1533945721929420800#m|articlename=Sir Lenny Henry is Sadoc Burrows. #LOTRROP|dated=9 June 2022|website=[https://twitter.com Twitter]|accessed=11 June 2022}}</ref>
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| [[Ema Horvath]] || [[Eärien]]<ref>{{webcite|author=The Lord of the Rings on Prime|articleurl=https://twitter.com/LOTRonPrime/status/1547417835961552896|articlename=Ema Horvath is Eärien|dated=14 February 2022|website=[https://twitter.com Twitter]|accessed=14 February 2022}}</ref>
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| [[Markella Kavenagh]] || [[Elanor Brandyfoot|Elanor 'Nori' Brandyfoot]]<ref>{{webcite|author=The Lord of the Rings on Prime|articleurl=https://twitter.com/LOTRonPrime/status/1493253881651937283|articlename=Markella Kavenagh is Elanor ‘Nori’ Brandyfoot|dated=14 February 2022|website=[https://twitter.com Twitter]|accessed=14 February 2022}}</ref>
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| [[Joseph Mawle]] || [[Adar (The Rings of Power)|Adar]]
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| [[Tyroe Muhafidin]] || [[Theo]]<ref>{{webcite|author=The Lord of the Rings on Prime|articleurl=https://mobile.twitter.com/LOTRonPrime/status/1516457306497581056|articlename=Tyroe Muhafidin is Theo. #LOTRROP #RingsofPower|dated=19 April 2022|website=[https://twitter.com Twitter]|accessed=19 April 2022}}</ref>
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| [[Sophia Nomvete]] || [[Disa|Princess Disa]] <ref>{{webcite|author=The Lord of the Rings on Prime|articleurl=https://twitter.com/LOTRonPrime/status/1492168418358874123|articlename=Sophia Nomvete is Princess Disa. #LOTRROP|dated=9 June 2022|website=[https://twitter.com Twitter]|accessed=11 June 2022}}</ref>
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| [[Lloyd Owen]] || [[Elendil|Captain Elendil]]<ref>{{webcite|author=The Lord of the Rings on Prime|articleurl=https://twitter.com/LOTRonPrime/status/1547417424361885696|articlename=Lloyd Owen is Elendil|dated=14 February 2022|website=[https://twitter.com Twitter]|accessed=14 February 2022}}</ref>
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| [[Megan Richards]] || [[Poppy Proudfellow]]<ref>{{webcite|author=The Lord of the Rings on Prime|articleurl=https://twitter.com/LOTRonPrime/status/1534982703908433920#m|articlename=Megan Richards is Poppy Proudfellow. #LOTRROP|dated=9 June 2022|website=[https://twitter.com Twitter]|accessed=11 June 2022}}</ref>
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| [[Dylan Smith]] || [[Largo Brandyfoot]]<ref>{{webcite|author=The Lord of the Rings on Prime|articleurl=https://twitter.com/LOTRonPrime/status/1534982400869945344#m|articlename=Dylan Smith is Largo Brandyfoot. #LOTRROP|dated=9 June 2022|website=[https://twitter.com Twitter]|accessed=11 June 2022}}</ref>
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| [[Charlie Vickers]] || [[Halbrand]]<ref>{{webcite|author=The Lord of the Rings on Prime|articleurl=https://twitter.com/LOTRonPrime/status/1492169017741778944|articlename=Charlie Vickers is Halbrand. #LOTRROP|dated=9 June 2022|website=[https://twitter.com Twitter]|accessed=11 June 2022}}</ref>
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| [[Leon Wadham]] || [[Kemen (The Rings of Power)|Kemen]]<ref>{{webcite|author=The Lord of the Rings on Prime|articleurl=https://twitter.com/LOTRonPrime/status/1547418271141560321|articlename=Leon Wadham is Kemen|dated=14 February 2022|website=[https://twitter.com Twitter]|accessed=14 February 2022}}</ref>
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| [[Benjamin Walker]] || [[Gil-galad|High King Gil-galad]]<ref>{{webcite|author=The Lord of the Rings on Prime|articleurl=https://twitter.com/LOTRonPrime/status/1493253777415098372|articlename=Benjamin Walker is High King Gil-galad|dated=14 February 2022|website=[https://twitter.com Twitter]|accessed=14 February 2022}}</ref>
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| [[Daniel Weyman]] || [[The Stranger]]<ref>{{webcite|author=The Lord of the Rings on Prime|articleurl=https://twitter.com/LOTRonPrime/status/1493253972639076352|articlename=Daniel Weyman is The Stranger|dated=14 February 2022|website=[https://twitter.com Twitter]|accessed=14 February 2022}}</ref>
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| [[Sara Zwangobani]] || [[Marigold Brandyfoot]]<ref>{{webcite|author=The Lord of the Rings on Prime|articleurl=https://twitter.com/LOTRonPrime/status/1534982566448533504#m|articlename=Sara Zwangobani is Marigold Brandyfoot. #LOTRROP|dated=9 June 2022|website=[https://twitter.com Twitter]|accessed=11 June 2022}}</ref>
|}

=== Introduced in Season 2 ===
== Production ==
=== Development ===
[[File:The Rings of Power (TV series) - Middle-earth map 1.jpg|thumb|300px|Fourth map of Middle-earth, released by Amazon on 6 March 2019]]
On [[3 November]] [[2017]], it was reported that Amazon Studios were in discussion with Warner Bros. Television and the [[Tolkien Estate]] about developing a series based on ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]''.<ref>{{webcite|author=Daniel Holloway|articleurl=http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/lord-of-the-rings-amazon-1202606519/|articlename='Lord of the Rings': Amazon, Warner Bros. in Talks for Series Adaptation (EXCLUSIVE)|dated=3 November 2017|website=[http://variety.com/ Variety]|accessed=30 January 2020}}</ref> Later, in November, Amazon Studios announced they have secured the rights to develop a multi-season television series set in Middle-earth with the potential for spin-offs.<ref>{{webcite|author=Joe Otterson|articleurl=http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/lord-of-the-rings-tv-series-amazon-1202613609/|articlename=‘Lord of the Rings’ Series Moving Forward at Amazon With Multi-Season Production Commitment|dated=13 November 2017|website=[http://variety.com/ Variety]|accessed=31 July 2019}}</ref> The rights have been said to have cost close to $250 million.<ref name="DLAZ">{{webcite|author=Nellie Andreeva|articleurl=http://deadline.com/2017/11/amazon-the-lord-of-the-rings-tv-series-multi-season-commitment-1202207065/|articlename=Amazon Sets ‘The Lord of the Rings’ TV Series In Mega Deal With Multi-Season Commitment|dated=13 November 2017|website=Deadline|accessed=30 January 2020}}</ref> Amazon Studios would cooperate in the production with the Tolkien Estate, [[The Tolkien Trust]], [[HarperCollins]] and [[New Line Cinema]].<ref name="DLAZ"/>

On [[13 February]] [[2019]], Amazon's then newly created [http://twitter.com/LOTRonPrime Twitter account] associated with the show posted the quote "I wisely started with a map.", taken from Tolkien's [[Letter 144]].<ref>{{webcite|author=|articleurl=http://twitter.com/LOTRonPrime/status/1095797330127646721|articlename=“I wisely started with a map” — J.R.R. Tolkien|dated=13 February 2019|website=Twitter|accessed=30 January 2020}}</ref> On [[15 February]], the Twitter account released a map of Middle-earth along with a line of the [[Ring Verse]], over the next few weeks different versions of the map were released with each successive one including more labels than the previous as well as more lines from the verse. On [[7 March]], the final map was released which showed a wider view of Middle-earth, including the island of [[Númenor]] and the final post "Welcome to the Second Age".<ref name="AMSA"/> [[Tom Shippey]] and artist [[John Howe]] had worked on the accuracy of the maps, however dedicated [[Tolkien fandom|fans]] had detected several mistakes and anachronisms.<ref>{{webcite|articleurl=http://narniafans.com/2019/08/interview-with-narnia-conceptual-designer-john-howe/|articlename=Interview with John Howe|website=Narnia Fans|accessed=25 June 2020}}</ref>

The fact the series were going to be set in the [[Second Age]] was predicted by [[Tolkien Society]] Chair [[Shaun Gunner]] in February.<ref>{{webcite|website=Twitter|accessed=15 February 2020|dated=18 February 2019|articleurl=http://twitter.com/ShaunGunner/status/1097505289618841601|articlename=Shaun Gunner on Twitter}}</ref>

On [[27 July]] 2019, a video was published that introduced the creative team; [[J.D. Payne]] and [[Patrick McKay]] were announced as the showrunners, the writing team consisting of Gennifer Hutchison, Helen Shang, Jason Cahill, Glenise Mullins, Justin Dohle, Stephany Folsom and Bryan Cogman, Belén Atienza, Bruce Richmond, Gene Kelly and Lindsey Weber as executive producers, Ron Ames as co-producer, Kate Hawley as costume designer, Rick Heinrichs as production designer and Jason Smith as visual effects supervisor. The team will also include Tolkien scholar [[Tom Shippey]] and artist [[John Howe]]. [[J. A. Bayona|Bayona]] will direct the first two episodes.<ref>{{webcite|author=|articleurl=http://twitter.com/LOTRonPrime/status/1155142047420080129|articlename=''Meet our Fellowship''|dated=27 July 2019|website=Twitter|accessed=30 January 2020}}</ref> In an interview with the German Tolkien Society, scholar [[Tom Shippey]] stated that events from the First and Third Ages are "off-limits".<ref>{{webcite|author=Tobias M. Eckrich |articleurl=http://www.tolkiengesellschaft.de/30918/exklusive-interview-with-tom-shippey-concerning-lotronprime/|articlename=Exclusive interview with Tom Shippey concerning LOTRonPrime|dated=29 July 2019|website=[http://www.tolkiengesellschaft.de Deutche Tolkien Gesellschaft]|accessed=6 August 2019}}</ref>

On [[17 September]] 2019, Amazon Studios announced that the series first season would be filmed in New Zealand.<ref name="AMNZ"/>

On [[18 November]] 2019, Amazon Studios Head Jennifer Salke announced that the series has been renewed for a second season.<ref>{{webcite|author=Nellie Andreeva|articleurl=http://deadline.com/2019/11/the-lord-of-the-rings-series-renewed-season-2-amazon-early-renewal-season-1-hiatus-writers-room-reassembled-1202788730/|articlename=‘The Lord Of the Rings’ Series Gets Early Season 2 Renewal By Amazon, Sets Season 1 Hiatus|dated=18 November 2019|website=Deadline|accessed=17 March 2020}}</ref>

Due to the COVID-19 pandemic, production of the series first season was suspended.<ref>{{webcite|author=Chris Keall|articleurl=http://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/news/article.cfm?c_id=3&objectid=12316871|articlename=Coronavirus: Amazon's Lord of the Rings production in West Auckland shut down|dated=15 March 2020|website=[http://www.nzherald.co.nz/ The New Zealand Herald]|accessed=17 July 2020}}</ref> On 9 May 2020 the New Zealand Film Commission has allowed the production of film and TV to continue in the country.<ref>{{webcite|author=|articleurl=http://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/news/article.cfm?c_id=1501119&objectid=12330716|articlename=Covid 19 coronavirus: Avatar, Lord Of The Rings filming resumes in NZ|dated=9 May 2020|website=[http://www.nzherald.co.nz/ The New Zealand Herald]|accessed=17 July 2020}}</ref>

In December 2020, [[Bryan Cogman]] left the series for Entertainment One, after completing work on the scripts for the first season.<ref>{{webcite|author=Lesley Goldberg |articleurl=http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/bryan-cogman-moves-overall-deal-to-eone-exclusive|articlename=Bryan Cogman Moves Overall Deal to eOne (Exclusive)|dated=7 December 2020|website=The Hollywood Reporter|accessed=15 December 2020}}</ref>

On [[24 March]] [[2021]], Amazon Studios announced that [[Wayne Che Yip]] had joined the creative team, as both a co-executive producer and director.<ref>{{webcite|author=Matt Grobar|articleurl=http://deadline.com/2021/03/wayne-che-yip-boards-lord-of-the-rings-series-director-co-ep-amazon-studios-1234720477/|articlename=Wayne Che Yip Boards ‘The Lord Of The Rings’ Series As Director & Co-EP, Will Helm Four Episodes Of Amazon Original|dated=24 March 2021|website=[http://deadline.com/ Deadline]|accessed=5 April 2021}}</ref>

In May 2021, it was announced that [[Charlotte Brändström]] would direct another two episodes.<ref>{{webcite|author=Matt Grobar|articleurl=https://deadline.com/2021/05/the-witcher-charlotte-brandstrom-amazons-the-lord-of-the-rings-series-1234755360/|articlename=‘The Witcher’ Director Charlotte Brändström Joins Amazon’s ‘The Lord Of The Rings’ Series
|dated=13 May 2021|website=[http://deadline.com/ Deadline]|accessed=21 August 2021}}</ref>

In September 2021, it was reported that [[Howard Shore]] and [[Bear McCreary]] were in talks to compose the soundtrack for the series.<ref>{{webcite|articleurl=https://www.theonering.net/torwp/2021/09/19/111495-howard-shore-and-bear-mccreary-to-soundtrack-lotr-on-prime-series/|articlename=Howard Shore and Bear McCreary to soundtrack LOTR on Prime series|dated=September 19, 2021|website=TheOneRing.net|accessed=September 20, 2021}}</ref> In July 2022, it was officially announced their hiring, with McCreary announced to be composing the score and Shore to be writing the main title theme.<ref>{{webcite|articleurl=https://www.rollingstone.co.uk/tv/news/bear-mccreary-confirmed-as-composer-of-the-lord-of-the-rings-the-rings-of-power-20549/|articlename=Composer Bear McCreary to score ‘The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power’|dated=July 21, 2022|website=Rolling Stone UK|accessed=December 03, 2022}}</ref>

On [[3 October]] 2022, production for the second season of the series begun in the United Kingdom.<ref>{{webcite|articleurl=https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/the-rings-of-power-season-2-filming-1235231978/|articlename=The Rings of Power' Season 2 Starts Production in the U.K.|dated=July 21, 2022|website=The Hollywood Reporter|accessed=December 03, 2022}}</ref>

=== Casting ===
On 22 July 2019, it was reported that Amazon has made its first cast for the new series that Markella Kavenagh was in talks to play a character named "Tyra".<ref>{{webcite|author=Joe Otterson|articleurl=http://variety.com/2019/tv/news/lord-of-the-rings-series-amazon-cast-markella-kavenagh-1203268175|articlename=‘Lord of the Rings’ Series at Amazon Taps First Cast Member (EXCLUSIVE)|dated=22 July 2019|website=[http://variety.com/ Variety]|accessed=22 October 2019}}</ref>

Will Poulter was cast for an unknown role in September 2019<ref>{{webcite|author=Joe Otterson|articleurl=http://variety.com/2019/tv/news/lord-of-the-rings-series-amazon-will-poulter-cast-1203321951/|articlename=‘Lord of The Rings’ Series at Amazon Casts Will Poulter (EXCLUSIVE)|dated=4 September 2019|website=[http://variety.com/ Variety]|accessed=22 October 2019}}</ref> however in December it was reported that he left the series due to scheduling conflicts.<ref>{{webcite|author=Joe Otterson|articleurl=http://variety.com/2019/tv/news/lord-of-the-rings-series-amazon-will-poulter-1203433273/|articlename=‘Lord of the Rings’: Will Poulter No Longer Attached to Amazon Series (EXCLUSIVE)|dated=12 December 2019|website=[http://variety.com/ Variety]|accessed=13 December 2019}}</ref> This was later confirmed by Poulter in an interview.<ref>{{webcite|author=Will Richards|articleurl=http://www.nme.com/news/tv/will-poulter-explains-why-he-left-amazons-lord-of-the-rings-tv-series-2706105|articlename=Will Poulter explains why he left Amazon's 'Lord Of The Rings' TV series|dated=12 July 2020|website=[http://www.nme.com/ NME]|accessed=17 July 2020}}</ref> He was replaced by Robert Aramayo who was reported to be playing a character named "Beldor".<ref>{{webcite|author=Nellie Andreeva|articleurl=http://deadline.com/2020/01/robert-aramayo-cast-the-lord-of-the-rings-amazon-tv-series-game-of-thrones-alum-cast-1202823073/|articlename='The Lord Of the Rings': Robert Aramayo To Star In Amazon TV Series|dated=7 January 2020|website=Deadline|accessed=15 January 2020}}</ref>

In October 2019, it was reported that Maxim Baldry<ref>{{webcite|author=Jeff Sneider|articleurl=http://collider.com/lord-of-the-rings-tv-series-cast-maxim-baldry/|articlename=Exclusive: ‘Lord of the Rings’ TV Series Adds ‘Years and Years’ Star Maxim Baldry|dated=15 October 2019|website=Collider|accessed=13 December 2019}}</ref> and Joseph Mawle has joined the cast, the latter playing "Oren", the lead villain of the series.<ref>{{webcite|author=Nellie Andreeva|articleurl=http://deadline.com/2019/10/the-lord-of-the-rings-joseph-mawle-cast-star-amazon-series-oren-game-of-thrones-alum-1202765493/|articlename='The Lord Of The Rings': Joseph Mawle To Star In Amazon Series|dated=21 October 2019|website=Deadline|accessed=22 October 2019}}</ref>

In December 2019, there were reports of Ema Horvath<ref>{{webcite|author=Nellie Andreeva|articleurl=http://deadline.com/2019/12/ema-horvath-cast-the-lord-of-the-rings-amazon-series-1202806025/|articlename=‘The Lord Of The Rings’: Ema Horvath Joins Cast Of Amazon Series|dated=10 December 2019|website=Deadline|accessed=13 December 2019}}</ref> and Morfydd Clark joinining the cast, it was said that Clark is to play a "young [[Galadriel]]".<ref>{{webcite|author=Justin Kroll|articleurl=http://variety.com/2019/tv/news/lord-of-the-rings-series-galadriel-morfydd-clark-1203446284/amp/|articlename='Lord of the Rings' Series Taps Morfydd Clark as Young Galadriel (EXCLUSIVE)|dated=17 December 2019|website=[http://variety.com/ Variety]|accessed=4 January 2020}}</ref>

On 15 January 2020, the series' official social media confirmed the castings of Kavenagh, Aramayo, Mawle, Horvath, and Clark, as well as revealing new members of the cast; Owain Arthur, Nazanin Boniadi, Tom Budge, Ismael Cruz Cordova, Tyroe Muhafidin, Sophia Nomvete, Megan Richards, Dylan Smith, Charlie Vickers, and Daniel Weyman.<ref name="Meet">{{webcite|author=|articleurl=http://www.facebook.com/LOTRonPrime/photos/?tab=album&album_id=2410457885934047|articlename=Meet the first members of our fellowship. #LOTRonPrime|dated=15 January 2020|website=Facebook|accessed=15 January 2020}}</ref>

In December 2020, it was announced that 20 actors have been added to the cast; Cynthia Addai-Robinson, Maxim Baldry (reported to have joined back in October 2019), Ian Blackburn, Kip Chapman, Anthony Crum, Maxine Cunliffe, Trystan Gravelle, Sir Lenny Henry, Thusitha Jayasundera, Fabian McCallum, Simon Merrells, Geoff Morrell, Peter Mullan, Lloyd Owen, Augustus Prew, Peter Tait, Alex Tarrant, Leon Wadham, Benjamin Walker and Sara Zwangobani.<ref name="VA20">{{webcite|author=Joe Otterson|articleurl=http://variety.com/2020/tv/news/lord-of-the-rings-series-amazon-cast-1234845274/|articlename=‘Lord of the Rings’ Series at Amazon Adds 20 Actors to Cast|dated=3 December 2020|website=[http://variety.com/ Variety]|accessed=3 December 2020}}</ref>

In March 2021, Tom Budge announced that he had departed the series after filming several episodes. He explained that Amazon had decided to go in a different direction with his character after reviewing the first episodes.<ref>{{webcite|author=|articleurl=http://www.instagram.com/p/CMZnFx-HkAp/|articlename=Tom Budge on Instagram|dated=14 March 2021|website=[http://instagram.com/ Instagram]|accessed=5 April 2021}}</ref>

In July 2021, Charles Edwards, Will Fletcher, Amelie Child-Villiers, and Beau Cassidy were added to the first season's cast.<ref>{{webcite|author=|articleurl=https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/amazon-lord-of-the-rings-tv-series-cast-1234976309/|articlename=Amazon’s ‘Lord of the Rings’ Rounds Out Sprawling Cast (Exclusive)
|dated=1 July 2021|website=Hollywood Reporter|accessed=21 August 2021}}</ref> A third of the first season's 124 speaking roles, including seven of the 32 major recurring roles, went to New Zealand actors.<ref>{{webcite|author=|articleurl=https://www.newsroom.co.nz/page//govt-hopes-amazon-will-come-back-to-film-more-seasons|articlename=Return of the Rings: Govt hopes Amazon will come back to film more seasons
|dated=5 August 2021|website=[https://www.newsroom.co.nz Newsroom|accessed=21 August 2021}}</ref>

=== Filming ===
==== Season 1 ====
Although pre-production on the series reportedly began in June 2018 in [[Auckland]], filming began on [[14 March]] [[2020]]<ref>{{webcite|author=|articleurl=https://www.gamespot.com//articles/lord-of-the-rings-tv-show-director-shares-a-behind/1100-6474422/|articlename=
Lord Of The Rings TV Show Director Shares A Behind-The-Scenes Photo
|dated=15 March 2020|website=[https://www.gamespot.com Gamespot]|accessed=25 August 2021}}</ref> in Auckland primarily at Kumeu Film Studios and Auckland Film Studios.<ref>{{webcite|author=|articleurl=https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/news/entertainment/new-zealand-set-to-be-location-for-lord-of-the-rings-1-5-billion-tv-show/|articlename=New $1.5b LOTR TV series set to film in Auckland|dated=30 June 2019|website=[https://www.newstalkzb.co.nz Newstalk ZB]|accessed=25 August 2021}}</ref> Location filming took place around Auckland in February.<ref>{{webcite|author=|articleurl=https://www.theonering.net/torwp/2020/02/21/107557-exclusive-spy-report-from-the-set-of-amazons-lotr-with-photos/|articlename=EXCLUSIVE:Spy Report from the Set of Amazon's LOTR with photos |dated=21 February 2020|website=[https://deadline.com Deadline]|accessed=26 December 2021}}</ref> Filming for the first two episodes was expected to continue through May,<ref>{{webcite|author=|articleurl=https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/homed/real-estate/118857705/lord-of-the-rings-tv-amazon-studios-puts-out-call-for-homes-for-cast-and-crew|articlename=Lord of the Rings TV: Amazon Studios puts out call for homes for cast and crew|dated=21 February 2020|website=[https://www.stuff.co.nz Stuff]|accessed=26 December 2021}}</ref> with a four or five-month production break then planned during which footage for the two episodes would be reviewed and writing on the second season would begin.<ref>{{webcite|author=|articleurl=https://deadline.com/2019/11/the-lord-of-the-rings-series-renewed-season-2-amazon-early-renewal-season-1-hiatus-writers-room-reassembled-1202788730/|articlename=
‘The Lord Of the Rings’ Series Gets Early Season 2 Renewal By Amazon, Sets Season 1 Hiatus
|dated=19 January 2020|website=[https://deadline.com DEADLINE]|accessed=26 December 2021}}</ref>Production was scheduled to resume in mid-October and continue until late June 2021.<ref>{{webcite|author=|articleurl=https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/homed/real-estate/118857705/lord-of-the-rings-tv-amazon-studios-puts-out-call-for-homes-for-cast-and-crew|articlename= Lord of the Rings TV: Amazon Studios puts out call for homes for cast and crew|dated=19 January 2020|website=[https://www.stuff.co.nz Stuff.co]|accessed=26 December 2021}}</ref> However, filming was placed on hold indefinitely in mid-March 2020 due to the COVID-19 pandemic, with around 800 cast and crew members told to stay home.<ref>{{webcite|author=|articleurl=https://www.nzherald.co.nz/business/coronavirus-amazons-lord-of-the-rings-production-in-west-auckland-shut-down/JZE3ZEXWQQIQJXH4KYENFR3LRY/?c_id=3&objectid=12316871|articlename=
Coronavirus: Amazon's Lord of the Rings production in West Auckland shut down
|dated=15 March 2020|website=[https://www.nzherald.co.nz NZherald]|accessed=26 December 2021}}</ref> In early May, the majority of filming for the first two episodes was confirmed to have been completed before the COVID-19 shutdown. Filming on the series was allowed to resume then under new safety guidelines from the New Zealand government, but, instead of completing filming for the first two episodes at that time, the filming shutdown segued into the intended production break, with filming for the first two episodes set to be completed once filming on further episodes was ready to begin.<ref>{{webcite|author=|articleurl=https://deadline.com/2020/05/new-zealand-returns-to-production-paving-way-for-avatar-sequels-to-resume-live-action-filming-1202929138/|articlename=
New Zealand Returns To Production, Paving Way For ‘Avatar’ Sequels & ‘The Lord Of The Rings’ Series To Resume Filming |dated=7 May 2020|website=[https://deadline.com Deadline]|accessed=26 December 2021}}</ref>

It was reported that the TV series was one of seven film and television productions that were granted exemptions to allow cast and crew members to enter New Zealand while its borders were closed to non-New Zealanders due to [[Wikipedia:COVID-19|COVID-19]]. The exemptions were granted before [[June 18]] by Economic Development Minister Phil Twyford, and applied to 93 members of the production as well as 20 family members. Around 10 percent of the series' crew were believed to be non-[[New Zealand|New Zealanders]], and many of them had remained in the country during its pandemic lockdown and did not require exemptions. Pre-production on further episodes began by July [[2020]],<ref>{{webcite|author=|articleurl=https://www.stuff.co.nz/entertainment/122012197/revealed-the-six-productions-joining-avatar-in-getting-border-exemptions|articlename=
Revealed: The six productions joining Avatar in getting border exemptions
|dated=3 July 2020|website=[https://www.stuff.co.nz Stuff.co]|accessed=26 December 2021}}</ref> and filming on the series resumed on [[September 28]].<ref>{{webcite|author=|articleurl=https://deadline.com/2020/09/the-lord-of-the-rings-resumes-production-amazon-new-zealand-cowboy-bebop-netflix-dtart-of-production-1234584918/|articlename=
Amazon’s ‘The Lord Of The Rings’ Resumes Production In New Zealand, Netflix’s ‘Cowboy Bebop’ Next
|dated=28 September 2020|website=[https://deadline.com Deadline]|accessed=26 December 2021}}</ref> Bayona completed filming on his episodes by December 23,<ref>{{webcite|author=|articleurl=https://comicbook.com/tv-shows/news/amazons-lord-of-the-rings-pilot-wrapped-filming/|articlename= Amazon's Lord Of The Rings Pilot Has Wrapped Filming
|dated=25 December 2020|website=[https://comicbook.com ComicBook]|accessed=26 December 2021}}</ref> with production on further episodes set to begin in January 2021 following a two week break for Christmas.<ref>{{webcite|author=|articleurl=https://www.nzherald.co.nz/entertainment/spy-lunch-of-the-rings-the-lotr-star-spotted-on-waiheke/WFTPOF2VTQ272HKL6NT2QLHHQI/|articlename=
Spy: Lunch of the Rings? The LOTR star spotted on Waiheke
|dated=19 December 2020|website=[https://www.nzherald.co.nz NZherald]|accessed=26 December 2021}}</ref> Yip confirmed that he had begun filming his episodes by March,<ref>{{webcite|author=|articleurl=https://variety.com/2021/tv/news/lord-of-the-rings-amazon-wayne-che-yip-1234936829/|articlename= ‘Lord of the Rings’ Series Adds Director Wayne Che Yip as Co-Executive Producer
|dated=24 March 2021|website=[https://variety.com Variety]|accessed=26 December 2021}}</ref> and Brändström was in New Zealand for production on the series when she was announced as director in May.<ref>{{webcite|author=|articleurl=https://deadline.com/2021/05/the-witcher-charlotte-brandstrom-amazons-the-lord-of-the-rings-series-1234755360/|articlename= ‘The Witcher’ Director Charlotte Brändström Joins Amazon’s ‘The Lord Of The Rings’ Series |dated=13 May 2021|website=[https://deadline.com Deadline]|accessed=26 December 2021}}</ref>

==== Season 2 ====

== Marketing ==
=== Season 1 ===
[[File:The Rings of Power (TV series) - Galadriel poster.jpg|thumb|250px|One of the promotional posters released in February 2022]]
On [[19 January]] 2022, Amazon revealed of the series' full title. Instead of creating a title reveal with visual effects, the studio released an announcement video in which the letters of the title are physically cast from molten metal while an excerpt of the "[[Ring Verse]]" from ''The Lord of the Rings'' is read in voiceover. The video was directed by Klaus Obermeyer, who worked with special effects supervisor Lee Nelson under advisement by veteran special effects supervisor [[Douglas Trumbull]].<ref>{{webcite|author=|articleurl=http://www.theonering.net/torwp/2022/01/19/111840-prime-videos-the-lord-of-the-rings-title-reveal-exclusive-behind-the-scenes-images/|articlename=Prime Video's The Lord of the Rings TITLE REVEAL - EXCLUSIVE Behind the Scenes images|dated=3 February 2022|website=[https://www.polygon.com/ Polygon]|accessed=4 February 2022}}</ref><ref>{{webcite|author=@LOTRonPrime|articleurl=http://twitter.com/LOTRonPrime/status/1483816516327915522?cxt=HHwWhICq-dHQyZcpAAAA|articlename=Title Announcement|dated=19 January 2022|website=Twitter|accessed=19 January 2022}}</ref>

On [[3 February]], Amazon Studios revealed a series of character posters for the series.<ref>{{webcite|author=|articleurl=https://www.polygon.com/22915948/lord-of-the-rings-of-power-characters-posters|articlename=Amazon’s first Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power character posters are a guessing game|dated=4 February 2022|website=[https://www.polygon.com/ Polygon]|accessed=4 February 2022}}</ref> On 10 February, a "first look" was revealed with photos of some of the characters,<ref name="VanityFair">{{webcite|author=Anthony Breznican & Joanna Robinson|articleurl=https://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2022/02/amazon-the-rings-of-power-series-first-look|articlename=Amazon’s Lord of the Rings Series Rises: Inside The Rings of Power
|dated=10-Feb-2022|website=VanityFair|accessed=20-July-2022}}</ref> followed by the release of the teaser trailer on 13 February during Super Bowl LVI.<ref>{{webcite|author=Erin Carson and Jennifer Bisset|articleurl=https://www.cnet.com/culture/entertainment/amazon-introduces-lord-of-the-rings-the-rings-of-power-in-new-trailer/|articlename=Amazon Introduces 'Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power' in New Trailer|website=[http://www.cnet.com/ CNet]|accessed=9 April 2022}}</ref> The official watch party for the trailer was hosted on YouTube by [[TheOneRing.net]].<ref>{{webcite|author=|articleurl=http://www.theonering.net/torwp/2022/02/07/111973-official-lotr-trailer-watch-party-for-prime-videos-rings-of-power-to-be-hosted-by-torn/|articlename=Official LOTR Trailer Watch party for Prime Video’s Rings of Power to be hosted by TORn!|website=[https://www.theonering.net/ TheOneRing.net]|accessed=9 April 2022}}</ref>

On [[14 July]], Amazon released another trailer for the series online.<ref>{{webcite|author=William Goodman|articleurl=https://www.gq.com/story/lord-of-the-rings-rings-of-power-trailer|articlename=What the ‘Lord of the Rings: Rings of Power’ Trailer Reveals About the New Prequel Series
|dated=14 July 2022|website=[https://www.gq.com Get Go]|accessed=22 July 2022}}</ref>

On [[23 August]], Amazon released the final trailer for the first season's series online.<ref>{{webcite|author=James White|articleurl=https://www.empireonline.com/tv/news/lotr-the-rings-of-powers-final-trailer-shows-off-giant-battles-and-epic-scale/|articlename=LOTR: The Rings Of Power’s Final Trailer Shows Off Giant Battles And Epic Scale
|dated=23 August 2022|website=[https://www.empireonline.com/ EmpireOnline]|accessed=04 October 2022}}</ref>

== Reception ==
The first season of the series received mixed reviews,<ref>{{webcite|author=|articleurl=https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/the_lord_of_the_rings_the_rings_of_power|articlename=The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power|dated=|website=[https://www.rottentomatoes.com/ Rotten Tomatoes]|accessed=2 October 2022}}</ref><ref>{{webcite|author=|articleurl=https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7631058/|articlename=The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power|dated=|website=[https://www.imdb.com/ IMDB]|accessed=2 October 2022}}</ref> with generally positive critical and generally negative audience scores on review aggregation websites.<ref>{{webcite|author=|articleurl=https://www.metacritic.com/tv/the-lord-of-the-rings-the-rings-of-power/season-1|articlename=The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power|dated=|website=[https://www.metacritic.com/ Metacritic]|accessed=14 October 2022}}</ref> Most viewers did not finish the show, particullarly in USA, with only 37% of domestic completion rate, while in the rest of the world had a 45%.<ref>{{webcite|author=Kim Masters|articleurl=https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/inside-amazon-studios-jen-salke-vision-shows-1235364913/|articlename=Inside Amazon Studios: Big Swings Hampered by Confusion and Frustration|dated=3 April 2023|website=[https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/ The Hollywood Reporter]|accessed=9 May 2023}}</ref>

== Deviations from the Source Material ==
Rings of Power is supposed to be based on the Lord of the Rings and the Appendices. However the series contains numerous deviations from the source material, as well as a number of inventions.

==== Events ====
Episode 1:

* It is stated that Finrod died hunting Sauron. In the Appendices it is noted that he actually died saving the life of the human warrior, [[Beren|Beren.]] <ref>J.R.R Tolkien: The Lord of the Rings Part 3, The Return of the King: Appendix B "The Tale of Years", p509. </ref>He was never hunting Sauron.
* Finrod is also shown taking the Oath of Fëanor. The books tell us he did not take the oath and was not present when it was taken, only the sons of Fëanor took it.
* Galadriel claims Elves originated in Valinor: this contradicts the Simarlillion and other writings by Tolkien which assert that the Elves originally awoke in Middle Earth, at a place called [[Cuiviénen]] and some only travelled to Valinor later. This journey seperated the High Elves (who made the Great Journey) from the Dark Elves.
* Galadriel claims that the Elves all left Valinor in pursuit of Melkor after he destroyed the Two Trees. She misses out the theft of the Silmarils and the Revolt of the Noldor, as well as the [[Kinslaying at Alqualondë]]
* Returning to Valinor is a reward granted by the Elven High King Gil-Galad, when in actual fact all Elves were freely allowed to travel to Valinor by the Valar. They needed no permission
* Galadriel is placed on a ship to return to Valinor, when the Silmarillon and the Unfinished Tales tell us she was banned from returning to Valinor for many centuries.

Episode 2:

* Galadriel encounters a raft full of humans who claim to have been survivors of a shipwreck in the Sundering Seas near Valinor. Humans were specifically banned from attempting to sail to Valinor and were some were subject to the [[Ban of the Valar.]]

Episode 3:

* When Elendil picks up the raft on which Halbrand and Galadriel were floating he was very likely in violation of the [[Ban of the Valar]], which carried a death penalty and was the reason [[Númenor]] fell .

Episode 7:

* In this Episode Galadriel explains that Celeborn went off to war late in the 1st Age and was presumed dead. Throughout J.R.R Tolkien's work it is made clear that this never happened, and Celeborn was living with Galadriel for the majority of the 2nd Age and the 3rd Age. They were rarely seperated, and he was never missing in action.
* She also claims that she met Celeborn when dancing in a glade of flowers, which contradicts both The Silmarllion and the Unfinished Tales which say that they met either when he was staying in Doriath with his kinsman Elu Thingol, or at [[Kinslaying at Alqualondë|Alqualondë]] when he was visiting his relatives. It was in fact Lúthien who met her beloved, Beren when dancing in a glade.

==== People, Places and Things: ====

* In Episode 1 statues of various Elves are shown carved out of trees in Eregion. One of these is Lúthien and her hound, Huan. Lúthien's statue has an emblem, said to be the Star of Finarfin on her clothing. Lúthien was not a Noldor and was not of the House of Finarfin, so should not be shown with this symbol.
* The area known the the Southlands later becomes Mordor, but is shown in the series as a green and fertile region with grasslands and forests. J.R.R Tolkien noted in more than one place that Mordor was already a desolate volcanic wasteland by the start of the 2nd Age.
* Celebrimbor appears in the series as a contemporary of Elendil and Tar-Míriel when he actually died some 1600 years before both of them were born.
* Durin III and Durin IV appear as father and son in the series, when in reality they lived many centuries apart and Durin IV was only a very distant descendant of Durin IV.

==== Invented Characters: ====
A number of characters were created for the series who do not exist in any of Tolkien's writings, these include

* Theo
* Bronwyn
* Arondir
* Eärien
* Revlon
* Disa
* Elinor "Nori" Brandyfoot
* Poppy Proudfoot
* Sadoc Burrows
* Halbrand

Other characters have the names of characters from Tolkien's published work, but are invented, these include

* Valandil: In the books, Valandil was the son of Isildur. In the series it is the name of a an invented character who was Isildur's friend
* Rían: In the books, Rían was the mother of Tuor. In the series it is the name of an invented Elf character.

== See also ==
* [[:Category:Images from The Rings of Power (TV series)|Images from ''The Rings of Power'' TV series]]
* [[The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power Season 1 Soundtrack|''The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power'' Season 1 Soundtrack]]

== External links ==
* [http://www.amazon.com/adlp/lotronprime Official website]
* [http://www.facebook.com/LOTRonPrime/ Official Facebook page]
* [http://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5gNthckomHt36m9-WH042Q/ Youtube channel]
* [https://www.fandom.com/articles/lord-rings-power-hidden-character-details ‘The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power’ Cast Reveal New Character Details] on Fandom
* [https://www.aboutamazon.com/news/entertainment/lord-of-the-rings-numenor-images Númenor revealed in new Lord of the Rings series] on Amazon
* [https://www.looper.com/962547/robert-aramayo-sheds-light-on-a-younger-elrond-in-rings-of-power-exclusive-interview/ Robert Aramayo Sheds Light On A Younger Elrond In Rings Of Power - Exclusive Interview] on Looper
* [https://time.com/6205837/the-rings-of-power-amazon-most-expensive/ Inside Rings of Power, Amazon's Lord of the Rings Prequel] on Time

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