2010-04-05T11:52:11Z

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I've been searching around about [[Maia]] and a few things don't quite add up.I suddenly had a "eureka!" moment and came up with this theory:

When Tolkien said "the Maia were sent by the [[Valar]], perhaps he didn't mean "sent" as in their bodies included. Perhaps he meant their ''souls'' alone were sent. Kinda like how Christianity says the "spirit of Jesus came to Earth as a man". In that example, Jesus had mortal parents, yet was the son of God. Thus, his body was the son of his parents, but his soul was the son of God. Perhaps is kinda the same with Maia (though most probably didn't have parents). For example:

-[[Gandalf]] and the other [[Istari]] were Maia, but they were also men.

-Likewise, perhaps [[Galadriel]] was also a Maia, yet sent in the form of an elf.

-Just like [[Durin]], who was possibly also a Maia, but sent as one of the seven [[Fathers of the Dwarves]].

-Then there's the [[Balrog]]s. Tolkien first tells us that there were thousands of them, but later changes this to "between three and seven". Perhaps there ''were'' thousands of ordinary Balrogs, but only seven or so were Maia - these would be the most powerful, such as the one fought by Galdalf in Moria ([[Durin's Bane]]).

-Then there's the [[ents]]. Tolkien only mentions six or so, yet there are clearly much more, as seen in [[Peter Jackson]]'s movie adaptation of [[The Lord of the Rings]]. Perhaps these six or so ents (such as Treebeard) were also Maia!

-Finally, I once read a book (Tolkien's World - witch I now believe to be mostly fanon) witch said that [[Sauron]] was a Maia in the form of an elf (o0). Whether or not this is true or not still remains a mystery to me.

So, perhaps there are still Maia spirits by the side of the Valar, waiting to be sent in some or other physical form. Perhaps a baby could be born and the soul of that baby could be a Maia. Who knows. If only Tolkien still lived, we would have been able to ask him of this. But since he is no longer capable of answering, what do ''you'' think of my theory? -- [[User:Explorer of Arda|Explorer of Arda]] 08:36, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Nice that you are thinking about the works of [[J.R.R. Tolkien|Tolkien]] but I think this theory can't be true.

: - [[Gandalf]] was a maia was sended in a human body (he wasn't an men, it was said he looked more like a elf inside)

: - The Children of Ilúvatar were made by Eru Ilúvator alone, not by the Valar.

: - Eru Ilúvatar gave the Dwarves a soul, Aulë hadn't the power to do that.

: - The [[Balrog]]'s numbers were just changed by Tolkien. that were thousand is just non-canon information.

: - Tolkien named 6, but there were many more described at the Entmoot.

: - the thing in your book, isnt true. It has no grounds.

It is however said by Tolkien that the first [[Eagles]], first [[Drakes]], [[Huan]] and [[Vampires]] were [[Maiar]]. --[[User:Amroth|Amroth]] 15:04, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

:: - Ah. So Galdalf was more like some sort of half-elf than a human?

:: - I know the Children of Ilúvatar were made by Eru alone, but what of their decendants? I don't think Tolkien ever said that Ilúvatar/Eru made a soul for every single individual ever to exist, so perhaps some of their souls could have been made by other Valar.

:: - That I know. Eru "adopted" the dwarves and put them to sleep, placing each somewhere within the numerous mountain ranges. How does this discount my theory?

:: - I know. Tolkien originally states that there were thousands, but later changes it to somewhere between 6 and twelve. I simply noted that perhaps there ''were'' thousands, but only 6 to twelve were Maia.

:: - Perhaps the named ents were named because they were of higher importance? Perhaps these named ents (though they all probably had names) were named by Tolkien because they were Maia. Who knows?

:: - It's highly likely that the book at hand was lying. Ederchill has allready proven that much of what is mentioned inside is fanon.

:: - Yes. My theory is partly based on that. Perhaps ''all'' first beings were Maia. Again, who knows? Tolkien never really elaborated on this, so perhaps it's safe to say that there's room for speculation. -- [[User:Explorer of Arda|Explorer of Arda]] 11:52, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

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2010-03-29T14:28:46Z

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Northern Waste

2010-03-29T14:17:28Z

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The '''Northern Waste''' (also known as [[Formenor]]) was a cold and icy region in the far north end of [[Middle-earth]], located above [[Mount Gundabad]] and the [[Ered Mithrin]]. It was a vast region of mostly snow and ice. The two main areas of the Northern Waste were the [[Forodwaith (lands)|Forodwaith]] and [[Forochel]].

==History==
The [[Cold-drakes]] of the North, who drove the [[Dwarves]] out of the Grey Mountains, came from the Northern Waste. The Drakes killed [[Dain I]] and his son [[Frór]] outside their Halls in the [[Grey Mountains]]. The Dwarves then fled to [[Erebor]] and the [[Iron Hills]]. It is likely that the "[[Goblins]] and [[Hobgoblins]]" that later colonized the Ered Mithrin drove most of the Cold-drakes back into the Northern Waste.

According to Frodo's poem "[[When evening in the Shire was grey]]", Gandalf had traveled to the Northern Waste. What his business was up there is unknown; it is nowhere else mentioned.

In the icy North too, lived a branch of [[Men]] called the [[Lossoth]]. They were a hardy folk fit to survive in the cold snowy regions of the north. The people lived mostly in tribes. The Lossoth never involved themselves with the world outside their frozen lands and played no known significant role in the wars until King [[Arvedui]], the last king of [[Arnor]], came out of hiding from an abandoned Dwarf-mine in the Northern [[Ered Luin]] and asked for aid from the Lossoth of Forochel. He was able to convince them to aid him, and as a reward gave them the [[Ring of Barahir]]. [[Círdan]] eventually sent ships for him. On his departure day, the Lossoth warned Arvedui that a storm was comming and urged him not to go, but he paid little heed to their words. He did indeed perish in the storm, and sank to the bottom of the [[Icebay of Forochel|bay]], along with the [[Palantír]] of [[Fornost]] and [[Amon Sûl]].
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