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| origin=Animals sung and created by [[Manwë]] and [[Yavanna]]
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| lifespan=Unknown, but obviously very longeval<ref name=P1>{{WJ|P1}} p. 68</ref><ref group=note>Since Gwaihir and Landroval were said to have helped Thorondor in the escape of Beren and Lúthien ({{FA|466}}) and they were both alive at the time of the War of the Ring ({{TA|3019}}) that would make them at least 6,584 years old.</ref>
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The '''Eagles''' were birds that served as messengers of [[Manwë]]. Among those were the '''Great Eagles''', immense birds who were sentient and capable of speech, and often helped [[Men]], [[Elves]] and [[Wizards]] in the quests to defeat evil. They were "devised" by [[Manwë]] Súlimo, King of the [[Valar]], and were often called the '''Eagles of Manwë'''.

They were sent from [[Valinor]] to [[Middle-earth]] to keep an eye on the exiled [[Noldor|Ñoldor]], and on their foe the evil Vala [[Morgoth]].

==History==
The Great Eagles were messengers of [[Manwë]], the ruler of the sky and Lord of the [[Valar]].

===First Age===
[[Image:Ted Nasmith - Beren and Lúthien are Flown to Safety.jpg|thumb|[[Ted Nasmith]] - ''Beren and Lúthien are Flown to Safety'']]
At a command of [[Manwë]], for a time the Lord of the Eagles, [[Thorondor]] kept his eyries at the top of [[Thangorodrim]], the volcano above [[Angband]] itself<ref>{{S|Noldor}}</ref><ref>{{S|Fingolfin}}</ref>. While they lived there, Thorondor helped [[Fingon]] rescue [[Maedhros]]. Many years later, three of the Great Eagles came to the aid of [[Beren]] and [[Lúthien]], bearing them away from Thangorodrim after both had drained their strength in the [[Quest for the Silmaril]].<ref>{{S|Beren}}</ref> Thorondor's folk later removed their eyries to the [[Crissaegrim]], part of the [[Echoriad]] about [[Gondolin]]. There they were friends of [[Turgon]], keeping spies off the mountains, bringing him news and keeping spies off the borders. Because of their guardianship, the [[Orcs]] were unable to approach either the nearby mountains,<ref name="Silm-TFG">{{S|Gondolin}}</ref> or the important ford of [[Brithiach]] to the south;<ref name="Tuor">{{UT|Tuor}}</ref> their watch had been redoubled after the coming of [[Tuor]],<ref>{{S|Doriath}}</ref> enabling Gondolin to remain undiscovered the longest of all Elven realms. When the city [[fall of Gondolin|fell]] at last, the eagles of Thorondor protected the fugitives, driving away the orcs that ambushed them at [[Cirith Thoronath]], the Eagles' Cleft north of Gondolin.<ref name="Silm-TFG"/>

Thorondor wounded Morgoth in the face after Morgoth's battle with [[Fingolfin]], and he carried Fingolfin's body to the Echoriath, where he was buried by Fingon.

The Eagles fought alongside the army of the Valar, [[Elves]] and Edain during the [[War of Wrath]] at the end of the [[First Age]]. After the appearance of winged [[dragons]], all the great birds gathered under Thorondor to [[Eärendil]], and destroyed the majority of the dragons.<ref>{{S|Earendil}}</ref>

===Númenor===
In the [[Second Age]], a pair of Eagles had an eyrie in the King's House in [[Armenelos]], the capital of Númenor until the time of [[Tar-Ancalimon]], when the [[Kings of Númenor]] became hostile to the Valar.

The [[Númenóreans]] believed that three eagles, "the Witnesses of Manwë", were sent by Manwë to guard the summit of [[Meneltarma]]; these appeared whenever one approached the hallow and staying in the sky during the [[Three Prayers]].

Many eagles lived upon the hills around [[Sorontil]] in the north of the island.<ref>{{UT|Numenor}}</ref>
[[File:Ted Nasmith - The Eagles of Manwë.jpg|thumb|left|[[Ted Nasmith]] - ''The Eagles of Manwë'']]
Eagle-shaped storm clouds, called the "Eagles of the Lords of the West", were sent by Manwë when he tried to reason with or threaten the Númenóreans.<ref>{{S|Akallabeth}}</ref>

===Third Age===
{{quote|- Farewell! wherever you fare, till your eyries receive you at the journey's end! - May the wind under your wings bear you where the [[sun]] sails and the [[moon]] walks.|Polite way to exchange good-bye with an Eagle|[[Queer Lodgings]]}}
By the end of the [[Third Age]], a colony under the [[Great Eagle]] lived in the northern parts of the [[Misty Mountains]] who mostly nested upon the eastward slopes not far from the [[High Pass]] leading from [[Rivendell]], and thus in the direct vicinity of the [[Goblin-town]] beneath; they often afflicted the goblins and disrupted their plans.

These Eagles helped the Elves of [[Rivendell]] and [[Radagast]] in watching the land and in gathering news about the Orcs.<ref>{{FR|Council}}</ref><ref>{{FR|South}}</ref>. As a result of feeding on the sheep of the local [[Woodmen]] of [[Mirkwood]], their relationship was not good and the Eagles were afraid of their bows.

Those rescued [[Thorin|Thorin]]'s company from a band of [[Orcs#Orcs and Goblins|Goblins]] and [[Wargs]] and carried them to the [[Carrock]]<ref>{{H|Queer}}</ref> and some days later they espied the mustering of goblins all over the Mountains, to be gathered under the Great Eagle in the [[Battle of Five Armies]] near [[Lonely Mountain|Erebor]]. It was only with their help that the Dwarves, Men and Elves managed to defeat the goblins.<ref>{{H|Return}}</ref> The Great Eagle became [[King of All Birds]].

The Eagles appeared in great numbers at the [[Battle of the Morannon]], helping the [[Host of the Valar|Host of the West]] against the [[Nazgûl]]. Several of them rescued [[Frodo Baggins]] and [[Samwise Gamgee]] from [[Mount Doom]] after [[the One Ring]] had been destroyed.<ref>{{RK|Cormallen}}</ref>

==Names==
In [[Gnomish]], one of [[J.R.R. Tolkien|Tolkien]]'s early conceptions of an [[Elvish|Elven]] language, a word for "eagle" is ''ioroth'' (poetic form ''ior''). A cognate of the same meaning in [[Qenya]] is the poetic ''ea(r)'' or ''earen''. Another Gnomish word for "an eagle" is ''thorn''.<ref>{{PE|11}}, pp. 51, 73</ref>

In the later languages, the [[Quenya]] word for eagle is ''soron'' and in [[Noldorin]]/[[Sindarin]] ''thoron/thorn''<ref>{{LR|Etymologies}}</ref>

The ''Thornhoth'' was the name for the eagle-folk in the earliest legends.<ref name="Fall">{{LT2|III}}, p. 103</ref>

==Origin and nature==
For some time Tolkien considered the Eagles as bird-shaped [[Maiar]].<ref>{{MR|Annals}} p. 138</ref> From this stage comes this excerpt from [[The Silmarillion]]:<ref>{{S|Days}}</ref><ref>{{LR|Ainu}}</ref><ref>{{MR|P1a}}</ref>

<blockquote>Spirits in the shape of hawks and eagles flew ever to and from his halls; and their eyes could see to the depths of the seas, and pierce the hidden caverns beneath the world. </blockquote>

The same used to be applied to certain intelligent animals, like [[Huan]]:<ref>{{MR|P5VIII}}. Note 4.</ref>

<blockquote>Living things in Aman. As the Valar would robe themselves like the Children, many of the Maiar robed themselves like other lesser living things, as trees, flowers, beasts. (Huan.)</blockquote>

However, the notion of a "Maia" like Thorondor having descendants contradicted later concepts. Therefore, Tolkien decided that the Great Eagles, Huan and other intelligent animals were just animals, despite being "higher level" ones.<ref name="MR409-11">{{MR|Myths}} pp. 409-11</ref>

<blockquote>But true 'rational' creatures, 'speaking peoples', are all of human / 'humanoid' form. Only the Valar and Maiar are intelligences that can assume forms of Arda at will. Huan and [[Sorontar]] could be Maiar - emissaries of Manwe. But unfortunately in The Lord of the Rings Gwaehir and Landroval are said to be descendants of Sorontar.
(...)
In summary: I think it must be assumed that 'talking' is not necessarily the sign of the possession of a 'rational soul' or [[fëa]]. (...)
The same sort of thing may be said of Huan and the Eagles: they were taught language by the Valar, and raised to a higher level - but they still had no fëar.</blockquote>

Curiously, the [[Ents]] are not mentioned in the text. Probably Tolkien viewed them as a 'humanoid' people of their own kind, which would leave them free of the offspring problem. In fact, [[Treebeard]] is described as "man-like" in [[The Lord of the Rings]].<ref>{{TT|III4}}</ref>

In a later text, the Eagles were first envisioned by Manwë during the Music of the Ainur, and appeared before the awakening of the Elves.<ref>{{S|Aule}}</ref><ref>{{WJ|Ents}}</ref>

<blockquote>Then Manwë awoke, and he went down to Yavanna upon Ezellohar, and he sat beside her beneath the Two Trees. And Manwë said: 'O Kementári, Eru hath spoken, saying: "Do then any of the Valar suppose that I did not hear all the Song, even the least sound of the least voice? Behold! When the Children awake, then the thought of Yavanna will awake also, and it will summon spirits from afar, and they will go among the kelvar and the olvar, and some will dwell therein, and be held in reverence, and their just anger shall be feared. For a time: while the Firstborn are in their power, and while the Secondborn are young." But dost them not now remember, Kementári, that thy thought sang not always alone? Did not thy thought and mine meet also, so that we took wing together like great birds that soar above the clouds? That also shall come to be by the heed of Ilúvatar, and before the Children awake there shall go forth with wings like the wind the Eagles of the Lords of the West.'</blockquote>

In the text Tolkien stresses the fact that the Eagles appeared "before the Children awake", whereas the "spirits from afar" that would give rise to the Ents only would appear "when the Children awake". Therefore, there is no strong indication that Tolkien could have changed his mind and abandoned the notion that the Eagles have no fëar. Indeed, to the Ents, in turn, a very special origin is given, which can be compared to the origin of the [[Dwarves]]:<ref>{{WJ|Ents}}</ref><ref>{{L|247}}</ref>

<blockquote>No one knew whence they (Ents) came or first appeared. The High Elves said that the Valar did not mention them in the 'Music'. But some (Galadriel) were [of the] opinion that when Yavanna discovered the mercy of Eru to Aule in the matter of the Dwarves, she besought Eru (through Manwe) asking him to give life to things made of living things not stone, and that the Ents were either souls sent to inhabit trees, or else that slowly took the likeness of trees owing to their inborn love of trees.
</blockquote>

It is quite remarkable that this contrast between the Ents and their "humanoid" or free nature, on one side, and the Eagles and their animal or conditioned nature, on the other side, can already be intuited in the Treebeard's song in The Lord of the Rings:<ref>{{TT|III4}}</ref>

<blockquote>
''Learn now the lore of Living Creatures! 
''First name the four, the free peoples 
''Eldest of all, the Elf children 
''Dwarf the delver, dark are his houses 
''Ent the earthborn, old as mountains 
''Man the mortal, master of horses; 
 
''Hm, hm, hm. 
 
''Beaver the builder, buck the leaper 
''Bear bee hunter, boar the fighter 
''Hound is hungry, hare is fearful... 
 
''Hm, hm. 
 
''Eagle in eyrie, ox in pasture, 
''Hart horn crowned; hawk is swiftest 
''Swan the whitest, serpent coldest... 
</blockquote>

==Flying the Ring to Mount Doom==
{{quote|The Eagles are a dangerous 'machine'. I have used them sparingly, and that is the absolute limit of their credibility or usefulness. |[[Letter 210]], [[J.R.R. Tolkien]]}}
Many skeptical readers have wondered why the Eagles simply didn't carry Frodo and [[the One Ring]] into Mordor and drop the Ring in Mount Doom, or at least aid the Fellowship at some part of the journey, such as helping them avoiding the [[Redhorn Gate]] and [[Moria]].

At first glance this seems incredibly easy compared to what actually happened (and it would have made a boring book).

The party of Tolkienists that accepts this as a [[wikipedia:plot hole|plot hole]] usually respond that in any book there are usually plot holes. In a larger, far more detailed and realistic book we expect fewer (if any) plot holes, when in reality there is a far greater chance.

===Considering the Eagles===
Strangely, the possibility of using the Eagles has not been mentioned at all during the [[Council of Elrond]]. Although many flawed proposals are made during it (destroy the Ring, guard it, send it to the West, give it to [[Tom Bombadil]]), none of the participants thought to propose this seemingly obvious solution, especially after Gandalf described his escape with Gwaihir; even if the Eagle plan was to be countered or dismissed implausible later for some reason (like the ones above), it would be only logical to be mentioned.

On the other hand, the Council was seen deciding the fate of the Ring, not the manner; this was left to the discretion of the Fellowship. Indeed, during its existence, the Fellowship had not even decided whether they should go directly to Mordor or to seek aid from Gondor, let alone the manner to do so, before decisively being [[Breaking of the Fellowship|broken]] at [[Amon Hen]]. If Gandalf ever considered requesting the help of the Eagles after some point (eg. after passing the Misty Mountains) it's not mentioned in the narrative.<ref>{{HM|FR}}, Book II</ref>

===Official explanation to the problem===
It seems that nobody noticed this alleged plot-hole during Tolkien's lifetime, as there is no surviving letter where Tolkien is inquired so. It is unknown whether Tolkien ever was aware of the issue while writing the book or later.

Tolkien's only relevant mention is concerning a possible adaptation of the ''Lord of the Rings'' into a movie, where he simply mentions that the Eagles should be used carefully as a plot device and was self-aware whenever he used them.<ref>{{L|210}}</ref>

Peter Jackson and [[Fran Walsh]] joke around the issue on the writer-director DVD commentary track; writing partner [[Philippa Boyens]] then bursts out and angrily declares one of the common explanations: "Why does everyone always say that?! The flying Nazgûl on their Fell Beasts would have stopped them! How more obvious does that need to be?! Mordor has flying creatures too!"

The topic is also brought up in the video game ''[[The Lord of the Rings: War in the North]]'', where the heroes (who have experience working with the Great Eagles) suggest having one fly Frodo and the Ring to Mount Doom. Gandalf, however, explains that Sauron would anticipate such an intrusion and how dangerous the attempt would be.

===Other explanations===
[[File:Ted Nasmith - At the Foot of Mount Doom.jpg|thumb|According to ''[[The Field of Cormallen]]'', some Eagles flew to Mount Doom, rescued Frodo and Sam and carried them back. Critics say that they could as well had carried them there in the first place.]]
As Tolkien's writings on the Eagles do not allow for an explanation, several speculative theories have been proposed by critics, although they are not definitive and can be countered.<ref>[[Tolkien FAQ]]</ref><ref>[http://www.sean-crist.com/personal/pages/eagles/index.html Could the eagles have flown Frodo into Mordor?]</ref><ref>{{webcite|author=[[Michael Martinez]]|articlename=Is There An In-story Explanation For Why the Eagles Rarely Participate in Great Events?|articleurl=http://middle-earth.xenite.org/2012/10/11/is-there-an-in-story-explanation-for-why-the-eagles-rarely-participate-in-great-events/|website=[http://middle-earth.xenite.org Xenite.org]}}</ref>

*The Eagles coming from the air would have been fairly obvious and defenseless to Sauron; the [[Fell beasts]] and/or archers would most likely have stopped the attempt. The Eagles expressed fear in ''[[The Hobbit]]'' about going into the Lands of Men because of their bows. After the Ring is destroyed (along with all of Sauron's forces), the Eagles met no resistance from evil forces; thus, they were able to rescue Frodo and Sam.
:This often cited argument could possibly have been countered with a parallel divertive battle plan, more or less like the [[Battle of the Morannon]] begun to help Frodo.

*The Eagles could have possibly become corrupted by the power of the Ring and would have most likely attempted to prevent the destruction. Gandalf himself not only knew that ''anyone'' might and would refuse to throw in the Ring, but he was also afraid of it; the Eagles, as Maiar, could have been corruptive and dangerous.

*As emissaries of the Valar, the Eagles may had been somehow limited in how they intervened to great events, which the Valar perhaps considered matters between the Elves and Sauron;<ref>Cf. {{FR|Council}}, Elrond: "for good or ill [the Ring] belongs to Middle-earth; it is for us who still dwell here to deal with it".</ref> for example, they had sent the [[Wizards]], who were prohibited to directly fight Sauron by physical or supernatural force, and the Eagles did aid the [[free peoples]] and even participated in battles. But otherwise, the Eagles would had been either afraid, unwilling, incapable, or (like the Wizards) forbidden to take any greater part.

*The Eagles's availability and power must have been limited. Gwaihir only arrives at Isengard because he is sent by Radagast. Once he rescues Gandalf, the Wizard asks him how far he can bear him, to which the Eagle replies "...not to the ends of the earth. I was sent to bear tidings not burdens." He took Gandalf just to Edoras, so he could find a horse to ride, and then departed.

*With the War of the Ring expanding to all the western realms of Middle-earth, the Eagles would need to protect their own lands in the event that Sauron's forces invade, and thus would be unable to spare any resources to assist the Fellowship.

==Inspiration==
Tolkien's painting of an eagle on a crag appears in some editions of ''The Hobbit''. According to [[Christopher Tolkien]], the author based this picture on a painting by Archibald Thorburn of an immature Golden Eagle, which Christopher found for him in ''The Birds of the British Isles'' by T.A. Coward. However, Tolkien's use of this model does not necessarily mean that his birds were ordinary Golden Eagles.

==Other versions of the legendarium==
In the earliest version of the fall of Gondolin, the king of the eagles, Thorndor (later Thorondor), had no love for Melko (later Melkor) because he had caught many eagles and tortured them for the magic words that would enable him to fly (in order to challenge Manwë for command of the air). When the eagles refused to reveal the magic words Melko cut off their wings in order to fashion a pair for himself, "but it availed not".<ref name="Fall"/>

==Portrayal in adaptations==
'''2001: ''[[The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring]]'':'''
:The Eagles are associated with [[moths]]; while Gandalf is trapped on the summit of Orthanc, he whispers to a moth and lets it go. Later, when confronted by Saruman, the moth reappears; an Eagle (supposedly Gwaihir) arrives and Gandalf escapes on its back.
'''2003: ''[[The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King]]'':'''
:Right before the Battle of the Morannon, Gandalf notices a moth flies near him. Then the Eagles appear and fly against the [[fell beasts]]. They pick up Frodo and Sam from the slopes of Orodruin.
'''2012: ''[[The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey]]'':'''
:As [[Thorin and Company]] are trapped in a falling tree by the band of [[Azog]] and their [[Wargs]], Gandalf uses a moth to summon them to his aid. They grasp the wargs and drop them onto the rocks or in the fire, pick up an unconscious Thorin, and save the protagonists from falling. Unlike in the book, they drop the characters on the [[Carrock]] and leave; as in the other film adaptations, the Eagles don't appear sentient and there is no dialogue between them and the characters.
'''2014: ''[[The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies]]'':'''
:The Eagles participate in the battle, and upon their arrival one drops [[Beorn]] in bear-form into the field of battle.

==External links==
*[http://tolkien.slimy.com/faq/History.html#Eagles Tolkien FAQ] question and possible answer
*[http://www.sean-crist.com/personal/pages/eagles/index.html Could the eagles have flown Frodo into Mordor?] a discussion investigating a possible battle plan that would help the eagles.

==Notes==

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Talk:Elwing

2020-03-15T16:52:18Z

Haran: /* Source on Elwing being half-elven */

== Elwing was not a half-elf ==

In texts where Tolkien tries to think more profoundly about the half-elven (see below), he doesn’t put Elwing and her brothers as half-elven:

Earendil was thus the second of the Pereldar (Half-elven),(50) the elder being Dior, son of Beren and Luthien Tinuviel daughter of King Elu Thingol. (...) By the marriage of Earendil to Elwing daughter of Dior son of Beren the lines of the Pereldar (Peredil) were united. (HoME 12, "The Shibboleth of Feanor")

Pay attention to the fact that Eluréd e Elurín are older than Eärendil, but Tolkien ignores them in the list. Possibly a "half-elf", before the judging of the valar, was only the son/daughter of a union between elf and human, the grandsons and so on weren't half-elven.

Anyway, I couldn't find any canon source in which Tolkien puts Elwing as a half-elf. Sorry my bad english [[User:Haran|Haran]] 20:53, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

:I think the confusion here is "Half-elven" as a title (which applied just to Elrond, Elros and Eärendil) and "half-elven" as a genetic fact (which did also apply to Elwing et al.) ''The Silmarillion'' is clear that both Eärendil and Elwing (and their sons) were given free choice to decide under which kindred they be judged (this is the chapter "[[Of the Voyage of Eärendil and the War of Wrath]]"). --{{User:Mith/sig}} 14:28, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

:: But I think "half-elven" as a genetic fact (i.e., before the choice of Eärendil e Elwing) was not applied to Elwing, Eluréd and Elurín, as we see in the text from Shibboleth. And "half-elven" as a title is applied to Elrond, Elros and the sons of Elrond only. [[User:Haran|Haran]] 17:18, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

There is no canon source about Elwing being a half-elf, as I tried to show in 2014. Am I wrong? If I'm not, the encyclopedia should remain neutral about this issue. [[User:Haran|Haran]] 02:57, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

Other texts that corroborate what I said:

: Dior their son, it is said, spoke both tongues: his father's, and his mother's, the Sindarin of Doriath. For he said: 'I am the first of the Peredil (Half-elven),. but I am also the heir of King Elwe, the Eluchil.' (The problem of ros.)

And in The Silmarillion:

: Bright Eärendil was then lord of the people that dwelt nigh to Sirion's mouths; and he took to wife Elwing the fair, and she bore to him Elrond and Elros, who are called the Half-elven.

: Half-elven: Translation of Sindarin Peredhel, plural Peredhil, applied to Elrond and Elros, 304, 315, 322, 354, 357; and to Eärendil, 298

We see that Dior says "I am the first of the Peredil", as if it was a self-evident, biological fact. Elrond and Elros, in their turn, are only "called" the half-elven. In the text of the Shibboleth, Eärendil is the second Pereldar, in the first (biological) sense. Therefore, Elured and Elurín (which are older than Eärendil) are not half-elven. What is a little awkward, but not so much - the son of Mithrellas (if her legend is true) probably was a half-elf in that biological sense, but the grandsons and so on weren’t. Therefore, Elwing was not a biological half-elf, and, it seems to me, she wasn't called half-elf either. [[User:Haran|Haran]] 20:59, 11 May 2018 (UTC)
:This is not what the Other infobox is for. Do not change it again. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 07:11, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

::: Why not? We don't have a perfect classification to Elwing's condition in terms of elf/man/half-elf. "Other" is a way to avoid definite it (after all the "other" label is a neutral label). Anyway, if your problem with my editions is only this point, you shouldn’t have reverted all my edits (in the Elwing article but also in other ones, like Elrond, Elros, etc), where I tried to avoid categorical affirmations that Elwing was a half-elf.... [[User:Haran|Haran]] 19:40, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

::Do you dispute that Elwing was able to choose to between the two kindreds? --{{User:Mith/sig}} 11:26, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

::: No, of course. Being a so called "half-elf" was not a necessary condition to "choose to between the two kindreds". Perhaps "having mortal blood" was, but wathever, what I affirm is that Elwing was not (as far as we know for sure) considered a "half-elf", in the both senses the word appears in the legendarium. [[User:Haran|Haran]] 19:40, 14 May 2018 (UTC)

===Source on Elwing being half-elven===
* J.R.R. Tolkien: "''Eärendil is Túor's son & father of Elros (First King of Númenor) and Elrond, their mother being Elwing daughter of Dior, son of Beren and Lúthien: '''so the problem of the Half-elven becomes united in one line'''. The view is that the Half-elven have a power of (irrevocable) choice, which may be delayed but not permanently, which kin's fate they will share.''" - [[Letter 153]] (emphasis my own)
* J.R.R. Tolkien: "''But Elwing was saved and fled with the Silmaril to the havens of the surviving Eldar at the Mouths of Sirion. There she later wedded Eärendil, '''and so joined the two Half-elven lines'''.''" - ''[[The Peoples of Middle-earth]]'', p. 369 (emphasis my own)
* J.R.R. Tolkien: "''By the marriage of Dior son of Beren the lines of Pereldar (Pereðil) were united.''" - ''[[The Peoples of Middle-earth]]'', p. 369 (emphasis my own)

I hope that this will put the issue to bed. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 19:36, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

: Elwing belonged to Dior's line, this is sufficient to understand these three texts. In fact, the text I mentioned earlier already admitted this fact:

:''Earendil was thus the second of the Pereldar (Half-elven),(50) the elder being Dior, son of Beren and Luthien Tinuviel daughter of King Elu Thingol. (...) By the marriage of Earendil to Elwing daughter of Dior son of Beren the lines of the Pereldar (Peredil) were united. (HoME 12, "The Shibboleth of Feanor")''

:The text doesn't consider Elwing, Elured and Elurin as half-elves: pay attention to the fact that Eluréd e Elurín are older than Eärendil, but Tolkien ignores them in the list. And Elwing was the same age than Eärendil. The lines of the Pereldar are the lines of Eärendil and Dior, and such lines were united. [[User:Haran|Haran]] 21:08, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

: And, reinforcing the whole objective in discussing it here: I believe Tolkien clearly didn't consider Elwing a half-elf, but what I want since the beginning is not that you agree with me, but that the the encyclopedia be maintained neutral about this issue. [[User:Haran|Haran]] 21:24, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

::I don't think if there is a language barrier here, but it is baffling to me that when Tolkien says that the half-elf lines were united in one line that Elwing was not of that line as a half-elven herself. Furthermore, Tolkien explicitly states that the half-elven have the power of choice, which Elwing had. We surely can't argue against that Elwing was half-elven as a genetic fact in view of the fact that the "lines were united". Elwing is carrying the line of Dior, who has passed away (similarly Eluréd and Elurín had passed away and didn't make it beyond infancy). Is your argument that Elwing is kind of "carrying half-elven genetics" without being half-elven herself?
::Again, I repeat, the title of "Peredil" was not given to Elwing; I don't think Elwing being given the epithet "Half-elven" is up for debate. It seems as if Tolkien has almost treated it as a male-only inheritable epithet (note that Arwen was never "Arwen Peredhil" but she clearly was half-elven).
::Tolkien's use of "Peredhil" is not exactly consistent. In Appendix A Tolkien appears to suggest this only applies to Elrond and Elros: "''The sons of Eärendil were Elros and Elrond, the Peredhil or Half-elven.''" So the usage of the term "Peredhil" or "Half-elven" when applied to individuals is not a reliable guide here.
::From my perspective, I need to hear from you how you would classify Elwing, and your sources for justifying that. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 17:09, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

::: The line of reasoning is:

:::: (1) in The Shibboleth, Dior is counted as the first half-elf, Eärendil as the second.
:::: (2) Eluréd and Elurín are older than Eärendil, so, if they were half-elves, they should be listed before Eärendil.
:::: (3) Eluréd and Elurín aren't half-elves.
:::: (4) Elwing, their sister, cannot be a half-elf either.
:::: (5) In all other texts, she is not called half-elf. In the Silmarillion, it is explicitly said that "half-elven" is a "translation of Sindarin Peredhel, plural Peredhil, applied to Elrond and Elros, 304, 315, 322, 354, 357 and to Eärendil, 298".

::: About the "the lines of the Pereldar"...

:::: "Elwë Singollo came never again across the sea to Valinor so long as he lived, and Melian returned not thither while their realm together lasted; but of her there came among both Elves and Men a strain of the Ainur who were with Ilúvatar before Eä." (The Silmarillion)
:::: "But since Melian, wife of Thingol and mother of Lúthien came of the people of the Valar a strain of the 'race divine' was also possessed by them [the half-elven]." (Beyond Bree June 1985, p. 7)
:::: "The sons of Eärendil were Elros and Elrond, the Peredhil or Half-elven. In them alone the line of the heroic chieftains of the Edain in the First Age was preserved; and after the fall of Gil-galad12 the lineage of the High-elven Kings was also in Middle-earth only represented by their descendants." (The Return of the King)

::: The half-elves preserves a strain of the ainur, and of course they aren't ainur. Elros and Elrong preserves "the line" of the chieftains of the Edain, and of course they aren't chieftains of the Edain. Therefore, Elwing could preserve the line of the Pereldar( of Half-Elves) without being a Pereldar herself.

::: A son of a half-elf with a man/woman would be a man with an elvish strain (Imrazôr, Vardamir). But a son of a half-elf with an elf would be (in normal circumstances) a peculiar humanoid, a "mortal long-lived elvish humanoid". There is no term to describe them in the legendarium. Yet this does not mean we should simply call them elves or half-elves. Because of that, a blank label would be better. Besides that, this is an encyclopedical discussion, not a discussion in a forum environment. The blank label is also suitable if this is a polemical or dubious subject - I am not asking everyone agrees if me in all the matter, but only grant the "benefit of the doubt" about the issue. [[User:Haran|Haran]] 16:52, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

==Protection of this article==

We are not having an edit war over this, so this article is now protected until it is resolved considering the edit has been reverted four times by two different administrators. As Ederchil pointed out, if Elwing is not a half-elf then the elf infobox should be used instead. Regardless, the edit summary that was posted "Write an objection", is not helpful when objections have been raised. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 20:52, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

: "Objections have been raised?" Where? There was no justification about Elwing being a half-elf. Something like "I think Elwing was a half-elf for such and such reasons". You only affirmed, very quickly, as if it was an obvious fact, I posted my view (that, I believe, is strongly based in the Tolkien writings) disagreeing of that, and there was no response.

: "As Ederchil pointed out, if Elwing is not a half-elf then the elf infobox should be used instead". Where did he point out this? He barely talked here (and was asked for), only in his personal talk page, one month and a half after his editions... In his personal talk page, Ederchil only evocated very subjective arguments, like percentage of elf-blood. Do you really want to bring these arguments publicly here? Or worse, do you really want to make an "administrator’s decision” basead on this? This is far from canonical, there are not only these two options, and Elwing was a daughter of a mortal, it's strange (at least) put her simply as an elf...

: And, that is, it seems to me, only a new way to disagree with my editions, which you both insisted in reverting barely talking about it… Particularly because putting Elwing as a elf is a new point of yours, indeed, you put Eluréd in the elf label, Elwing in the half-elf label, and Elurín in the elf label but also in the Category:Half-Elves…. I mean, you both don’t seem to know what are you standing for…

: These were very bad administrator performances... Why not leave the normal users work in the encyclopedia, if an intervention would create the necessity of a dialogue that you both obviously don't want to engage? That was a normal edition and debate scenario, your part as administrators should not play a role here... These are only two users reverting a third user without an apparent basis….. [[User:Haran|Haran]] 19:05, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

::To respond to your points in order:
::#'''Objections''' - yes, I specifically said "''I think the confusion here is "Half-elven" as a title (which applied just to Elrond, Elros and Eärendil) and "half-elven" as a genetic fact (which did also apply to Elwing et al.) ''The Silmarillion'' is clear that both Eärendil and Elwing (and their sons) were given free choice to decide under which kindred they be judged''" I stand by this statement, and supposedly you do too with you comment that it would be strange to list Elwing as an elf being the daughter of a mortal.
::#'''Elf infobox''' - Ederchil made it clear that the Other infobox was not for the purposes you state. Your argument seems to be "Elwing was not an half-elf, she was given the choice between men and elves but that's because she was some other thing but I don't know what that is." By your own admission, putting her simply as an elf would be strange, which was why we included her as a half-elf as someone who had the choice between men and elves.
::#'''Reversions''' - unfortunately, you are simply disorderly here. When someone disagrees you don't just pursue the course regardless - even if you believe yourself to be right - and instead you chose to engage in an edit war. I have ended that scenario and the article will be unlocked when a resolution is reached. You can't just decided "I'm right and they're wrong and because I don't agree with their view I will ignore it."

::: You affirmed that Elwing was a "genetic half-elf", but didn't justify it. You said that they were given the free choice to decide under which kindred they would be judged. Ok, like I said, I don’t disagree with that... But how this is liked to your earlier affirmation? It isn’t. After all, there is not a necessary condition like "to be given the free choice to decide your own kindred, you must be half-elf"… You seem to assume it is, but didn't justify it. In fact, what the books seems to indicate is that the mere mortal blood is sufficient to the person be mortal, and the valar let Eärendil's family choice their own destiny as a reward by their deeds. We could discuss it, but I don’t see the point, after all I don’t see a strong link between the free choice given to the Eärendil and his family and their half-elf label. I mean, of course the heritage of both men and elves played a role, but it doesn't matter if they are half-elves, "half-half-elves", or they have a "spiritual elf heritage” like Tuor, or whatever.

::: ''"Ederchil made it clear that the Other infobox was not for the purposes you state".'' He was very monosyllabic. I was not sure what purpose he believed I had, and what purpose the box was meant for. To me, the use was very appropriate, as a way to avoid put Elwing in terms of elf and half-elf. I asked him more elaboration of his warning, and he didn't answer.

::: ''"Your argument seems to be "Elwing was not an half-elf, she was given the choice between men and elves but that's because she was some other thing but I don't know what that is."'' This was a very marginal point of the discussion. My argument is that Elwing was not a half-elf, because she and her brothers were neither called half-elf in the legendarium nor listed as such (and they should have been listed in the HoME text I quoted). The fact they were given the free choice was (I interpret) a reward by their deeds. Tuor was also indicated to have become an elf, and didn't have immortal blood. Lúthien also have become a mortal, and didn’t have mortal blood... Neither (therefore) they were half-elves…. Moreover, half-elves outside Eärendil's house were not given any choice.

::: ''“(…) You can't just decided "I'm right and they're wrong and because I don't agree with their view I will ignore it."'' You did it, not I. See all the discussion again. In 2014, I wrote a somewhat extensive justification of my opinion. You disagreed and barely justify it, implicitly assuming the justification you should elaborate. I replied your text, elaborating the concepts yourself put in discussion (genetic fact versus title), and showing that both concepts didn’t apply to Elwing. If you have maintained your opinion, you should have replied, don’t you agree? There was an interval of four years (!!!) to elaborate the position of Elwing was a half-elf. After four years, I asked “Am I wrong?”, showing to believe no one thought I was wrong. And I wrote more justifications. If you have maintained your opinion, this was a new great opportunity to speak out. But there was no answer again. Only then I decided to edit the article, and the result was reversions, Edheril saying “don’t do it again” barely explaining his point (!!), and a question of yours that didn't seem to indicate great disagreement to the central point of the editions... [[User:Haran|Haran]] 21:08, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

::::OK. Just to make it clear my position. I'm not going to engage with the above comments because you're more interested in engaging in a conversation that is about individual administrator actions than the substance of the debate. I shall respond to the substance of the debate above. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 16:55, 24 July 2018 (UTC)

Talk:Eagles

2019-11-06T04:38:07Z

Haran:

Talk:Eagles

2019-11-06T04:37:47Z

Haran: /* Eagles and fëar */

Eagles

2019-11-06T04:34:31Z

2018-07-21T20:15:24Z

Haran: Again: Elwing was not (as far as we know for sure) a half-elf. See talk page and, if you disagree, write a objection.

{{sources}}
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| image=[[File:Kimberly - Elwing.jpg|250px]]
| caption="Elwing" by [[:Category:Images by Kimberly|Kimberly]]
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'''Elwing the White''' was the third child and only daughter of [[Dior|Dior Eluchíl]] and [[Nimloth of Doriath]], and later on the wife of the well-known [[Eärendil]] ''the Mariner''. Elwing had twin-brothers who were elder to her and they were [[Eluréd]] and [[Elurín]]. It is said that she could speak with birds.

==History==
When Elwing was very young, her father Dior inherited the throne of [[Doriath]], along with the [[Silmaril]] reclaimed by her renowned grandfather [[Beren]], a [[Man]] of the [[Edain]]. Then she and her twin-brothers, Eluréd and Elurín, moved with their parents, Dior and Nimloth, to the caves of [[Menegroth]] in Doriath. In {{FA|506}}, the [[sons of Fëanor]], driven by their terrible [[Oath of Fëanor|Oath]], [[Second Kinslaying|attacked Menegroth]] and slew her parents (the King and Queen of Doriath) and took her elder brothers in captivity to starve in the wild. She escaped the [[Second Kinslaying]] with the Silmaril and fled to the [[Havens of Sirion]]. There she met and married [[Eärendil]] and gave birth to twins [[Elrond]] and [[Elros]].
[[File:Elena Kukanova - The Seagull.jpg|thumb|left|Elena Kukanova - ''The Seagull'']]
In {{FA|538}} the remaining sons of Fëanor attacked the Havens of Sirion to reclaim the Silmaril in her possession. They captured Elwing's sons but as they came for her she cast herself into the [[Belegaer|Great Sea]]. Through the power of the [[Valar|Vala]] [[Ulmo]], she took the form of a white bird and came to her husband in his ship [[Vingilótë]] with the Silmaril upon her breast.

Elwing sailed with her husband on his great voyage to the [[Aman|West]] and, unlike the crew of his ship, refused to be separated from him when he sought the [[Valar]] in [[Valinor]]. While he spoke to them, she went to [[Alqualondë]] and told the [[Falmari]] (who, as [[Teleri]], were of Thingol's kin) there about the tumultuous history of [[Beleriand]], and later persuaded them to sail their ships for the [[Host of Valinor]]. When the Valar allowed Eärendil and Elwing (both belonging to the line of the [[Peredhil]]<ref>{{PM|XI4}}</ref>) to choose which of the races they would be members of, Eärendil let her make the choice for them. Because of what had happened to her grandmother [[Lúthien]], Elwing decided to be counted among the Elves, as did her husband for her sake.
[[File:Roger Garland - Earendil and Elwing.jpeg|thumb|[[Roger Garland]] - ''Earendil and Elwing'']]
Elwing was given a tower to live in by the shores of [[Eldamar]], and there she fed seabirds that came to her windows. Eventually she learned their language, and was able to transform into a swan, flying to meet Eärendil whenever he returns from his voyages through the sky.

== Etymology ==
{{Pronounce|Elwing.mp3|Ardamir}}
The name ''Elwing'' means "star foam", composed of ''[[êl]]'' + ''[[wing]]''.<ref>{{PM|XI4}}, pp. 349</ref><ref>{{PM|Ros}}, pp. 369-70</ref><ref>{{webcite|author=|articleurl=http://www.tolkiendil.com/langues/english/i-lam_arth/compound_sindarin_names|articlename=Compound Sindarin Names in Middle-earth|dated=|website=[http://www.tolkiendil.com Tolkiendil.com]|accessed=12 March 2014}}</ref>

== Genealogy ==
{{familytree/start}}
{{familytree | | ELU |y| MEL | | BEO | | | |ELU=[[Thingol|Elu Thingol]]|MEL=[[Melian]]|BEO=[[Bëor]]}}
{{familytree | | | | |!| | | | | |:| | | | |}}
{{familytree | | | | LUT |~|y|~| BER | | | |LUT=[[Lúthien]]|BER=[[Beren]]}}
{{familytree | | | | | | | |!| | | | | | | |}}
{{familytree | | | | | | | DIO |y| NIM | | |DIO=[[Dior|Dior Eluchíl]]|NIM=[[Nimloth of Doriath|Nimloth]]}}
{{familytree | | | | | |,|-|-|-|+|-|-|-|.| |}}
{{familytree | EAR |y| ELW | | ELD | | ELN |EAR=[[Eärendil]]|ELW='''ELWING'''|ELD=[[Eluréd]]|ELN=[[Elurín]]}}
{{familytree | |,|-|^|-|.| | | | | | | | | |}}
{{familytree | ELR | | ELS | | | | | | | | |ELR=[[Elrond]]|ELS=[[Elros]]}}
{{familytree/end}}

== See also ==
* [[:Category:Images of Elwing|Images of Elwing]]
{{references}}
[[Category:Characters in The Book of Lost Tales]]
[[Category:Characters in The Silmarillion]]
[[Category:Sindar]]
[[Category:House of Thingol]]
[[Category:Sindarin names]]
[[Category:First Age characters]]

[[de:Elwing]]
[[fi:Elwing]]
[[fr:encyclo/personnages/elfes/semi-elfes/elwing]]

Huan

2018-07-11T22:37:38Z

Haran:

{{other infobox
| image=[[Image:Ted Nasmith - Huan's Leap.jpg|250px]]
| name=Huan
| pronun=
| othernames=The Hound of Valinor
| titles=
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| location=[[Valinor]], [[Himlad]], [[Nargothrond]], [[Doriath]]
| affiliation=[[Oromë]], [[Celegorm]]; later [[Beren]] and [[Lúthien]]
| language=[[Sindarin]]
| birth=
| birthlocation=
| rule=
| death={{FA|466}}
| deathlocation=[[Neldoreth]], [[Hunting of the Wolf]]
| age=
| notablefor=aiding [[Beren]] and [[Lúthien]] in their quest to retrieve a [[Silmaril]] from [[Morgoth]]; defeating [[Sauron]]; killing [[Carcharoth]]
| parentage=
| siblings=
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| children=
| race=[[Dog]]
| gender=Male
| height=As large as a small horse
| hair=Grey fur
| eyes=
| clothing=
| weapons=Fangs
| steed=
}}

'''Huan''', the '''Hound of Valinor''', (d. {{FA|466}}<ref>{{GA|186}}</ref><ref group=note>Beren died in the same year as Huan did</ref>) was a great [[dogs|wolfhound]], one of the hunting dogs of [[Oromë]] the Hunter.

Huan had been granted special powers by the [[Valar]], he was as large as a small horse, immortal, tireless and sleepless, and was allowed to speak three times before he died. It was also prophesied that he could not be killed unless it was by the greatest [[Wolves|wolf]] that ever lived; in this case a [[werewolf]].
==History==
[[File:Tuuliky - Celegorm the Fair.jpg|thumb|left|Tuuliky - ''Celegorm the Fair'']]
Huan was given by Oromë to his friend [[Celegorm]], one of the [[Sons of Fëanor]] and accompanied him on his huntings in the regions of [[Valinor]]. When the [[Noldor|Ñoldor]] under [[Fëanor]] rebelled, Huan went with his master to [[Middle-earth]]. Presumably he was with his master while he dwelt in [[Himlad]], and then when he retreated to [[Nargothrond]] by the late 5th century after their arrival.

Huan was with Celegorm and [[Curufin]] who were hunting when he smelled [[Lúthien]] and captured and brought the maid before Celegorm. She had set out to rescue [[Beren]], who had gone with [[Finrod|Finrod Felagund]] to [[Angband]] but had been captured in [[Tol-in-Gaurhoth]]. Celegorm and Curufin did not reveal to her that they had sent Beren to his death by the hand of [[Sauron]], and took her as a prisoner to Nargothrond, "for her own protection", secretly plotting to wed her to Celegorm and thereby force an alliance with Lúthien's father [[Thingol]].
[[File:Ted Nasmith - Lúthien Escapes Upon Huan.jpg|thumb|[[Ted Nasmith]] - ''Lúthien Escapes Upon Huan'']]
Huan felt pity for Lúthien, and sought her out and so he became involved with the [[Quest for the Silmaril]]. Speaking for the first time, he told her of a way to escape, and then accompanied her to [[Tol-in-Gaurhoth]] where, with the help of Lúthien's [[magic]], he killed all of Sauron's [[Werewolves]] until Sauron himself came out, taking the shape of the greatest wolf that had ever lived. Huan nevertheless managed to defeat him, and Sauron was forced to flee. Huan went back to his master, while Lúthien and Beren went on their way back to [[Doriath]]. They came across Celegorm and Curufin, who had been exiled from Nargothrond by [[Orodreth]] when he learned of their deeds. Curufin tried to kill Lúthien, but Huan turned against his master, defending Beren and Lúthien.

Speaking for the second time, Huan told Beren and Lúthien of his plan to gain entrance to Angband, bringing them the skin of the werewolf [[Draugluin]] and the bat-skin of Sauron's messenger [[Thuringwethil]]. Using these skins as disguise Beren and Lúthien went to Angband, while Huan hunted in the wild.

After Beren and Lúthien had won the [[Silmaril]] but Beren had lost his hand to the werewolf [[Carcharoth]], Huan joined Beren, Thingol, [[Beleg|Beleg Cúthalion]] and [[Mablung]] in the [[Hunting of the Wolf]]. Huan and Beren managed to kill Carcharoth, but Huan was mortally wounded, as was Beren. Speaking for the third and last time, he wished Beren and Lúthien farewell, and died, with Beren's palm upon his head.

== Origin and nature ==

For some time Tolkien considered Huan as a dog-shaped Maia.<ref>{{MR|P5VIII}}. Note 4.</ref> Later, however, Tolkien decided that Huan is just a animal, despite being a "higher level" one.<ref name="MR409-11">{{MR|Myths}} pp. 409-11</ref> See [[Eagles#Origin_and_nature|Eagles: Origin and nature]] for more details.

==Etymology==
{{Pronounce|Huan.mp3|Ardamir}}
''Huan'' means "great dog, [[Hounds|hound]]" in [[Sindarin]].<ref>{{S|Index}}, entry for Huan</ref> See also [[root]] [[KHUG]].

==See also==
* [[:Category:Images_of_Huan|Images of Huan]]

==Notes==

{{references}}
[[Category:Characters in The Book of Lost Tales]]
[[Category:Characters in The Silmarillion]]
[[Category:Dogs]]
[[Category:First Age characters]]
[[Category:Sindarin names]]
[[de:Huan]]
[[fr:encyclo/personnages/animaux/chiens/huan]]
[[fi:Huan]]

User talk:Ederchil

2018-07-02T21:07:19Z

Haran: /* "Other" label */

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== Discussion ==

Hello.I would like to discuss about something [[Talk:Battle of Fornost|here]].

== Discussions ==
Let's talk about it [[Talk:Quest of Erebor|here]], [[Talk:Arnor|here]] and [[User talk:2.86.255.128|here]].{{unsignedanon| 2.86.255.128}}

I would like to be discussed something generally.Read [[User talk:2.86.255.128#Tolkien Gateway and The Hobbit film|here]].{{unsignedanon| 2.86.255.128}}

It should be mentioned in any way that Ravenhill was the place of the final duel between Thorin and Azog in the films. {{unsignedanon| 2.86.255.128}}

:It should be mentioned in a way that resembles English. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 18:36, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

Why don't you put in your own way? I mean you can write it in your own way (the fact that in Ravendill happened the final confrontation between Thorin and Azog). {{unsignedanon| 2.86.255.128}}

:I've done that for roughly 80% of what you've added so far. Please improve your English. This is not optional. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 19:43, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

== Complaint and Discussions ==

Fool.Why did you do that? After all I have done? After all the editings that I have done in Tolkien Gateway;Is this the way you thank me? By blogging me; Is this how you thank the others for their contribitions here? By blogging them? Congratulations.Congratulations.You should be given an award for that.This is the way you thank the others.By blogging them.Right?You are an asshole.If the only thing you know what to do is blogging them and not discussing with them, then do it again. OK? Well done.--[[User talk:2.86.255.128|2.86.255.128]] 20:25, 05 January 2017 (UTC)

:Blogging is writing a weblog. What I did was blocking you. Because I've had to clean up all your edits, and you still continued. Don't you look at how I (and others) rewrite your contributions? Don't you learn from that? Don't you see what we remove all the time, what we keep and what we rewrite? --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 21:37, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

Next time I would like FIRST to discuss these problems with me.OK? {{unsignedanon|2.86.255.128}}

:I indicated your English was below par before. You make a mess, I clean it up. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 10:16, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
Why did you delete my editings on page Beorn's Hall?I am telling the truth about the filming of Beorn's Hall (where it was shot).You can check it.I am not lying. {{unsignedanon|2.86.255.128}}

Also, why did you delete my editings on talk page about Tauriel(I am talking about this page:[[Talk:Tauriel]])? This my opinion. OK? Can't I say my opinion about her fate now? This is just my opinion about her fate.OK? {{unsignedanon|2.86.255.128}}

:Didn't I explain enough? The English is too poor to be usable. It's not a fun thing for me to say to you, but if I don't, you'll never improve. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 18:47, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

All these games that I added on Warner Bros. Interactive Entertainment do exist.Why didn't you put these games on this page earlier? Before me no-one else had ever said about these games on Tolkien Gateway. You could have mentioned these games earlier on Tolkien Gateway, but you didn't.Why? {{unsignedanon|2.86.255.128}}

:I'm largely retired from active content editing. I still do clean up work, though. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 07:24, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

Why?Why are you retired from active content editing? You can still create pages on Tolkien Gateway.Don't be so pessimistic about yourself. {{unsignedanon|2.86.255.128}}

== About my edit ==

Why did you undo my edit on the nazgul page? When you actually look at the battle of the morannon, you can actually see a wraith falling of his steed during the battle [http://cdn.roaring.earth/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Eagles-vs-Nazgul.png (A screenshot of the wraith in question)]

Not complaining about anything here, just asking--[[User:LordAndSaviourSauron|LordAndSaviourSauron]] 18:42, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

:"They are taken out" covers the scene. Whether one was alive or dead is speculation. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 19:06, 1 February 2017 (UTC)
::Ah okay. Also tbh i wonder what would happen if one survived the destruction of the ring--[[User:LordAndSaviourSauron|LordAndSaviourSauron]] 04:19, 2 February 2017 (UTC)

== Battle under the Trees ==

First of all, thanks for reminding me not to capitalize under. Obviously a bit miffed you deleted it so quickly, but admittedly there was a bit of conjecture in it. I would point out that by putting 'maybe' I clearly labled my conjecture, whereas there are plenty of articles that don't, for example: 'The battle was incredibly important in the course of the War of the Ring: if Sauron's Easterling armies had beaten the Dwarves and Men of Dale, they would have been able to join up with Sauron's forces from Dol Guldur in their attacks on the Woodland Realm of Mirkwood and Lothlórien, tipping the scales in favor of Mordor.'
I don't see how saying that Thranduil's army in Mirkwood would have probably exceeded that in 2941 is much more problematic. Anyway, what I'm proposing is that I write a more basic version of the article, then submit it to you or another administrator before saving it. Frankly, the Gateway's current stuff on the War of the Ring is pretty poor, and we could really do with a few short articles on the battles. The current War template leaves out half the conflict. It's fair enough to get rid of conjecture, but I'll happily do that for you. {{unsigned|Hazad}}

:I didn't delete it quickly - not as quickly as I've deleted other articles. I was busy copy editing it, fixing the sources and everything, but without all the speculation, there really wasn't much of a history section left. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 05:23, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

::Hazad: IIRC, there was a discussion about having an article about a "Battle under the Trees" a couple of years ago, ultimately reaching a consensus similar to Michael Martinez' [http://middle-earth.xenite.org/2012/10/12/what-was-the-battle-of-mirkwood/ thoughts on the subject]. Thus, if there are details missing about the battle(s) in Mirkwood, I would advise adding these to the [[Mirkwood#History|history section of Mirkwood]]. --[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 06:41, 1 April 2017 (UTC)

OK, thanks for getting back to me. I have read that Martinez article and to be honest I think it's a bit below his usual standards, in that when Tolkien writes 'battle under the trees' he is clearly referring to Mirkwood in particular, rather than Mirkwood and Lorien. But anyhow no matter. While I'm asking, why is the War of the Elves and Sauron page protected, when it's marked as in need of expansion? (really needs to be added to, the only reference is Appendix B)

== What did I do wrong with the Warg matriarch image? ==

No offense but i seriously have no idea what you meant with "no source" when you deleted the image

As for the infobox, i couldnt do much better since im on an ipad and the editing interface doesnt work that well on my ipad--[[User:LordAndSaviourSauron|LordAndSaviourSauron]] 19:47, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

:All images need a source category and subject categories. I deleted that one because I couldn't guess which of the three it was from. You like it? You source it. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 20:38, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

::Oh now i get it. Guess ill reupload it tomorrow since i know where its from--[[User:LordAndSaviourSauron|LordAndSaviourSauron]] 21:01, 26 May 2017 (UTC)

::And the other two images? what was wrong with those? {{unsigned|LordAndSaviourSauron}}

:::Duplicates of each other, and no point to illustrate it on the article. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 16:34, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

::::Oh, but idk if an image of how the eye appears in the hobbit would actually be pointless, since it looks quite different than what the eye looked like in LOTR.--[[User:LordAndSaviourSauron|LordAndSaviourSauron]] 20:33, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

:::::It looked fairly similar. If they're different, describe the differences on the relevant page. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 20:36, 27 May 2017 (UTC)

== Limpe ==

Hi, I was adding some information on the drink Limpe which is canon. Look it up. And it's not copyrighted. I have the darn link right here as proof.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fictional_food_and_drink_in_Middle-earth#Limp.C3.ABSo could you kindly tell me the reason for the deletion please? {{unsigned|Tolkienfan31}}

:It had no source, no proper layout, no proper markup, the wrong title, no categories... It wasn't an article, it was juse a random line. There's more to an article than being right or wrong. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 04:44, 25 August 2017 (UTC)

== About my talk page ==

Just blanked it cause the discussions on it didn’t really have a point anymore and to make space for new stuff--[[User:LordAndSaviourSauron|Hail melkor?]] 16:03, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

:It's a public record of all communications to you. There's no need to "archive" it unless it's really a long page. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 16:39, 20 October 2017 (UTC)

::Also why are you editing my signature?--[[User:LordAndSaviourSauron|Hail melkor?]] 15:50, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

:::Do not use "Heil". Ever. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 16:04, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

::::The way I’m using it is a joke tho (it’s a parody)--[[User:LordAndSaviourSauron|Hail melkor?]] 16:18, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

:::::That is not a joking matter. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 16:32, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

::::::Whatever--[[User:LordAndSaviourSauron|Insert unfunny orc joke here]] 16:01, 23 October 2017 (UTC)

== Tolkien Ancestry ==

Hi!

I would like to ask if it is possible to update all entries concerning the Tolkien Family history. My research in the Tolkien genealogy has changed a lot in this matter. See for instance here:

http://tolkniety.blogspot.com/2017/05/john-benjamin-tolkien-1753-1819-summary.html

Now we are 100% sure that first two Tolkiens in London were brothers, sons of Christian and Anna Euphrosina Tolkien from Petershagen in Gdańsk (German Danzig). The Professor's great-great-grandfather was born in June 1752 and was baptized in St Salvator Lutheran church in Gdańsk. His brother emmigrated in 1766 first to Amsterdam, then in 1770 to London. His younger brother, Johann Benjamin joined him in ca. 1772. Both brothers married the English girls and Daniel became furrie and John Benjamin a clock and watch maker.

Their father was born in Kreuzburg, East Prussia in 1706. We know also the other generations:

The Tolkien family from Prussia
(15th-17th c.)|Michel Tolkien (b. ca. 1620, Globuhnen by Kreuzburg, Prussia)|Christianus Tolkien
(1663-1746, Kreuzburg, Kingdom of Prussia)|Christian Tolkien (b. 1706 in Kreuzburg, d. 1791 in Gdańsk, Polish Prussia)= Anna Euphrosina Tolkien, née Bergholtz (1719-1792)|Johann (John) Benjamin Tolkien (b. 1752 in Gdańsk, d. 1819 in London)|George Tolkien (1784-1840)
|John Benjamin Tolkien(1807-1896)|Arthur Reuel Tolkien(1857-1896)|John Ronald Reuel Tolkien(1892-1973)

The Tolkien family name belongs to a big Prussian family of names with the ending -in, -yn, -ien, -iehn and comes from Tolk-īn 'a descendant of Tolk'. Tolk is a Prussian name meaning 'translator, negotiator'

The Tolkiens in the 16th-18th centuries lives in East Prussia. You will not find the Tolkiens in Saxony, because it is a Prussian family of medieval roots in the Teutonic State. {{unsigned|Galadhorn}}

:The current text is what Tolkien himself believed to be the origin of his family and family name. He mentioned it multiple times - [[Letter 165]] and [[Letter 324]], for example. He explicitly dismisses the association with Tolk- ("interpreter", "spokesman") in [[Letter 349]]. Even if that blog were true - I'm not saying it isn't - outright removing the current text and replacing it with things that contradict it is not the way to go. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 16:45, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

I am sorry. I am not a Wikipedist, I have problems with proper editing in the places like this. I undestrand, Ederchil your position. The clue is that Professor Tolkien couldn't know things we know today. My research is known to the Tolkien family today, it is already accepted by the Tolkien Society (see their website) and is included in the newest "The J.R.R. Tolkien. Companion and Guide". I spent last year in the archives to find the truth about the Tolkien genealogy. Only you know how to enter the information from me into your Tolkien Gateway. Plese, think about including the information about the roots in Gdańsk and East Prussia. And about the alternative etymology of the Tolkien family name. {{unsigned|Galadhorn}}

:I have no problems with including it, as long as it is properly sourced and the current is not removed. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 21:23, 22 November 2017 (UTC)

Can you help me with it, Ederchil? As a source you can cite Ch. Scull, W. G. Hammond, "The J.R.R. Tolkien Companion and Guide" (2017), G 828, 1298. When they publish my article in the "Tolkien Studies" there will be another source for the Tolkien Gateway (I will inform you about the publication). Or you can quote the Tolkien Society website: https://www.tolkiensociety.org/author/biography/

"The name “Tolkien” (pron.: Tol-keen; equal stress on both syllables) was believed by the family (including Tolkien himself) to be of German origin; Toll-kühn: foolishly brave, or stupidly clever—hence the pseudonym “Oxymore” which he occasionally used; however, this quite probably was a German rationalisation of an originally Baltic Tolkyn, or Tolkīn. In any case, his great-great grandfather John (Johann) Benjamin Tolkien came to Britain with his brother Daniel from Gdańsk in about 1772 and rapidly became thoroughly Anglicised."

I am very weak as a Wikipedist. I don't understand the language of the coding in here. Please, help me.

== Lots of time to learn, my boy ==

It is clear you bring your own view, only, to this Wiki.

A moderator's task is to intervene when new users first stray from your narrow course.

Not after much effort.

This is clearly habitual.

Now I see why so many Wiki's exist on this topic.

Some even allow flexibility and detail.

You are young and I hope you have the time to really understand Tolkien's great Work.

There seems to be a lot of Noldor in your ATTITUDE.

But it's YOUR Wiki, so...

[[User:Fudoki|Fudoki]] 21:00, 31 March 2018 (UTC)

:So much for the skin of Ironfoot. Wait, was the skin of Ironfoot ever mentioned? Guess not. Silly me.
:I admire that you want to help out. But putting in effort does not automatically mean it's a well-written summary of the life of Fingon. It was practically unsalvageable, a jumbled collection of clauses.
:I'm not young by most standards, and I'm more Dwarf than Noldo. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 21:16, 31 March 2018 (UTC)

== "Other" label ==

You wrote "again, this is not what Other is for" in the Elured and Elurin articles... So I repeat what I asked in the Talk:Elwing page: Given the fact that Eluréd, Elurín and Elwing present some difficulties in being classified in terms of elf/man/half-elf, why not use a neutral label? Despite the name "other", the label is an empty one, the character in question is not put in some list of "strange races" or nothing like that. See [[Falathar]] and companions: they were elves or men, but we don't know exactly what they are, so the "other" label was applied in their articles. If you insist this is wrong, I think a third way should be find, because the "elf" label doesn't seem right to me: Dior was mortal, your sons couldn't be elves. [[User:Haran|Haran]] 19:31, 1 July 2018 (UTC)

:Those two are three quarters Elf. They're more Elvish than Half-elves. And even Half-elves are still identified by their Elvenness (they're not called Half-men) so giving them a undetermined elf infobox is still better than lumping them with "race unknown" and "race too small for their own infobox". --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 11:37, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

:: You explore a very subjective line of argumentation, percentage of elvish blood and the word "half-elf"... I don't see why this so personal thinking would be better, instead of a neutral label - "race unknown" and "race too small for their own infobox" is another subjective vision of yours, nothing in the box says that - or even a “sinda” label, for example... But whatever, I think you had a pet peeve with my editions since the beginning, reverting them and writing hardly nothing, and now have found a new way to continue disagreeing - particularly because this argumentation of yours is a new one, you insisted earlier on restoring the "half-elf" label, and, indeed, you replaced Elurín in the Category:Half-Elves and it still remain so... [[User:Haran|Haran]] 21:07, 2 July 2018 (UTC)

User talk:Ederchil

2018-07-01T19:31:30Z

Haran:

Elros

2018-07-01T00:27:51Z

Haran: Elwing was not (as far as we know for sure) a half-elf. See http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Talk:Elwing and, if you disagree, write a objection.

{{disambig-two|the brother of Elrond|Mirkwood guard from the '''Hobbit''' films|[[Elros (Mirkwood guard)]]}}
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| name=Elros
| image=[[File:Liz Danforth - Elros Tar-Minyatur.jpg|250px]]
| caption="Elros Tar-Minyatur" by [[Liz Danforth]]
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| titles=[[King of Númenor]]
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| location=[[Númenor]]
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| birthlocation=[[Mouths of Sirion|Havens of Sirion]], [[Beleriand]]
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| death={{SA|442}}
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| parentage=[[Eärendil]], father [[Elwing]], mother [[Maglor]], foster father
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}}'''Elros''' ([[Sindarin|S]], pron. {{IPA|[ˈɛlrɔs]}}) was the son of [[Eärendil]], the great hero of the [[First Age]], and his wife [[Elwing]]. He was the twin brother of [[Elrond]] and both were [[Half-elven]].<ref name="Earendil">{{S|Earendil}}</ref> Choosing to live as a mortal Man, he became a lord of the [[Edain]] and the first [[King of Númenor]], taking the name '''Tar-Minyatur''' ([[Quenya|Q]], pron. {{IPA|[tarˈminjatur]}}).

== History ==
[[File:Catherine Karina Chmiel - And Maglor took pity upon them.jpg|thumb|left|''And Maglor took pity upon them'' by Catherine Karina Chmiel]]
Elros and Elrond were born in the [[Mouths of Sirion|Havens of Sirion]] during the darkest days of the First Age, when the forces of [[Morgoth]] controlled most of [[Beleriand]]. When the twins were just six years old, the [[Sons of Fëanor]], bound by their [[Oath of Fëanor|Oath]], assaulted the Havens in the [[Third Kinslaying]] since they desired the [[Silmaril]] on the [[Nauglamir]] held by Eärendil. He was at sea, and Elwing barely escaped with the Nauglamir.

[[Maedhros]] and [[Maglor]], the only Sons of Fëanor to repudiate their deeds, spared the twin boys and raised them for a time. They were later found by other elves as the twins were playing by a forest waterfall under the starlight; these gave him the name Elros meaning "star-foam" (see [[#Etymology|Etymology]]) and protected them through the end of the First Age.<ref name="Earendil"/>.

After the [[War of Wrath]] and the destruction of Beleriand, the Valar gave the twin ''[[Peredhil]]'' the choice over their race and fate. Elros chose the [[Gift of Men]],<ref name="Earendil"/> but still, he was blessed with a life longer than any other mortal Man's.

In the first years of the [[Second Age]], the Valar had prepared for the Edain, as a reward for their struggle against Morgoth, a large island in the western part of the [[Great Sea]]. Now by right a lord of the [[Edain]]<ref group=note>His father, Eärendil, was a descendant of the Lords of all Three Houses</ref>, Elros led his people across the sea, guided by the [[Star of Eärendil]] his father, to the island. For this the island was called [[Elenna]] meaning "starwards", and was the closest of mortal lands to the [[Blessed Realm]], though Men were [[Ban of the Valar|forbidden to go]] any further west than Elenna. The Valar also gave the Edain substantially longer lifespans than most Men had, and Elros and his descendants had the longest lives of all the people.<ref>{{S|Akallabeth}}</ref>

Elros founded the realm of [[Númenor]] and became its first [[King of Númenor|King]] in the year 32 of the Second Age. He took a royal name in [[Quenya]], ''Tar-Minyatur'', thus setting a tradition of Quenya being the royal language of the isle, even though the common tongue was [[Adûnaic]].<ref name="Kings">{{UT|Kings}}</ref> He brought with him the [[Ring of Barahir]], the [[Dramborleg|Axe of Tuor]], the [[Bow of Bregor|Bow]] of [[Bregor]] and [[Thingol]]'s sword [[Aranrúth]] as family heirlooms.<ref>{{UT|Numenor}}, Note 2</ref>

He built the royal tower at [[Armenelos]] and throughout his reign the kingdom received gifts from the Elves of [[Tol Eressëa]], including flowers from the gardens of [[Yavanna]] and a seed from [[Celeborn, White Tree|Celeborn]]. This was the beginning of the [[Númenóreans]]' long friendship with the Elves of the West, a relationship that would define the future of Númenor.

Tar-Minyatur had four children: three sons, [[Vardamir|Vardamir Nólimon]], [[Manwendil]], and [[Atanalcar]]; and one daughter, [[Tindómiel]].<ref>{{UT|earlier}}</ref><ref group="note">Elros' children [[Tindómiel]], [[Manwendil]] and [[Atanalcar]] are referred to by name only in the family tree "The Earlier Generations of the Line of Elros", which is included in only some editions of ''Unfinished Tales''.</ref> After living five centuries, and ruling Númenor for 410 years, Tar-Minyatur died and his son Vardamir Nólimon took up the [[Sceptre]] of Númenor as [[Vardamir|Tar-Vardamir]]. But because Elros had lived so long, Tar-Vardamir was already old, and was thus only a titular King: he immediately surrendered the Sceptre to his son, [[Tar-Amandil]].<ref name="Kings"/>

== Etymology ==
''Elros'' is a [[Sindarin]] name meaning "Elf of the spray", based on a tale from his early childhood when the [[Sons of Fëanor]] abducted the twins until [[Maedhros]] found them playing in a forest waterfall. Alternatively, his name could mean "star-foam".<ref>{{S|Index}}</ref> The Sindarin elements are ''[[el]]'' ("star") and ''[[ros]]'' ("foam").<ref name=Elements>{{S|Elements}}</ref>

''Elros'' is the [[Sindarin]] form of [[Quenya]] '''''Elerossë''''' (pron. {{IPA|[ˌeleˈrosːe]}}).<ref name=Elements/>

==Other names and titles==

Elros' royal name, '''''Tar-Minyatur''''', is [[Quenya]] for "High First-Lord", consisting of ''[[tar]]'' ("high") + ''[[minya]]'' ("first") + ''[[tur]]'' ("master, lord").{{fact}} All the Kings and [[Ruling Queen of Númenor|Queens]] after Elros who took their names in Quenya also used the prefix ''tar-'' in their royal names.

In early versions of the [[legendarium]], Elros' [[Adûnaic]] name was ''Indilzar'',<ref>{{PM|Akallabeth}}, p.164</ref> which was changed to ''Gimilzôr''. However, in later versions of the Númenórean tale ''[[Ar-Gimilzôr|(Ar-)Gimilzôr]]'' was the name of the twenty-third King of Númenor.<ref>{{SD|Drowning}}, pp. 380-1 (§20)</ref>

== Genealogy ==
{{familytree/start}}
{{familytree | TUO |y| IDR | | DIO |y| NIM |TUO=[[Tuor]] ''b. {{FA|472}}''|IDR=[[Idril]] ''born during {{YT}}''|DIO=[[Dior]] ''{{FA|470}} - {{FA|506|n}}''|NIM=[[Nimloth of Doriath|Nimloth]] ''d. {{FA|506}}''}}
{{familytree | | | |!| | | | | | | |!| | | |}}
{{familytree | | | EAR |~|~|y|~|~| ELW | | |EAR=[[Eärendil]] ''b. {{FA|503}}''|ELW=[[Elwing]] ''b. {{FA|503}}''}}
{{familytree | | | | | |,|-|^|-|.| | | | | |}}
{{familytree | | | | | ELR | | ELD | | | | |ELR='''ELROS TAR-MINYATUR''' ''{{FA|532}} - {{SA|442}}''|ELD=[[Elrond]] ''b. {{FA|532}}''}}
{{familytree | |,|-|-|-|+|-|-|-|v|-|-|-|.| |}}
{{familytree | VAR | | TIN | | MAN | | ATA |VAR=[[Vardamir|Vardamir Nólimon]] ''{{SA|61}} - {{SA|471|n}}''|TIN=[[Tindómiel]] ''after {{SA|61|n}}''|MAN=[[Manwendil]] ''after {{SA|61|n}}''|ATA=[[Atanalcar]] ''after {{SA|61|n}}''}}
{{familytree | |)|-|-|-|v|-|-|-|v|-|-|-|.| |}}
{{familytree | AMA | | VAR | | AUL | | NOL |AMA=[[Tar-Amandil]] ''{{SA|192|n}} - {{SA|603|n}}''|VAR=[[Vardilmë]] ''b. {{SA|203|n}}''|AUL=[[Aulendil (son of Vardamir)|Aulendil]] ''b. {{SA|213|n}}''|NOL=[[Nolondil]] ''b. {{SA|222|n}}''}}
{{familytree/end}}

{{seq-start}}
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| race=halfelf
| house=[[House of Elros]]
| born={{FA|532}}
| died={{SA|442}}
}}
{{seq
| pvac=None
| prev=Position Created
| list=1st [[King of Númenor]]
| dates={{SA|32}} - {{SA|442|n}}
| next=[[Vardamir|Tar-Vardamir]]
}}
{{seq-end}}

==See also==
*[[:Category:Images of Elros|Images of Elros]]
*[[Twins]]
==Notes==

{{References}}
{{numenorkings}}
[[Category:Characters in The Silmarillion]]
[[Category:First Age characters]]
[[Category:Half-elven]]
[[Category:House of Elros| ]]
[[Category:Rulers of Númenor]]
[[Category:Second Age characters]]
[[de:Elros]]
[[fi:Elros]]
[[fr:encyclo/personnages/hommes/2a/numenoreens/elros]]

Elrond

2018-07-01T00:27:29Z

Haran: Elwing was not (as far as we know for sure) a half-elf. See http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Talk:Elwing and, if you disagree, write a objection.

{{Countdown}}
{{half-elf infobox
| name=Elrond
| image=[[File:Ana Kusicka - Elrond.jpg|250px]]
| caption="Elrond" by Ana Kusicka
| pronun=
| othernames=Elrond ''Peredhel'' ([[Sindarin|S]], "[[Half-elven]]") Master Elrond
| titles=Lord of [[Rivendell|Imladris]]
| position=Ring-bearer of [[Vilya]] Vice-regent and herald to [[Gil-galad]]<ref name="Celeborn">{{UT|Galadriel}}</ref>
| location=[[Lindon]] [[Rivendell]]
| affiliation=[[White Council]]
| language=[[Sindarin]]<ref name="Languages">{{App|Elves}}</ref>, [[Westron]]
| birth={{FA|532}}
| birthlocation=[[Havens of Sirion]]
| rule=
| sailedwest=[[29 September]], {{TA|3021}}
| sailedfrom=[[Grey Havens]]
| age=6520
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| siblings=[[Elros]] (twin)
| spouse=[[Celebrían]]
| children=[[Elladan]] [[Elrohir]] [[Arwen]]
| gender=Male
| height=
| hair=Dark<ref name="meetings"/>
| eyes=Grey<ref name="meetings"/>
| clothing=Grey mantle<ref name="Havens">{{RK|Havens}}</ref> Silver circlet<ref name="meetings">{{FR|Meetings}}</ref>
| weapons=
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}}{{Pronounce|Elrond.mp3|Ardamir}}
<center>{{quote|But my memory reaches back even to the [[Elder Days]]. [[Earendil]] was my sire, who was born in [[Gondolin]] before its [[Fall of Gondolin|fall]]; and my mother was [[Elwing]], daughter of [[Dior]], son of [[Lúthien]] of [[Doriath]]. I have seen three [[ages]] in the West of the world, and many defeats, and many fruitless victories.|Elrond<ref name=council>{{FR|Council}}</ref>}}</center>
'''Elrond''' (b. {{FA|532}}) was the half-elven son of [[Eärendil]] and [[Elwing]], the father of [[Arwen]], and the Lord of [[Rivendell]] who consistently fought against [[Sauron]] throughout the Second and Third Ages.

Having been born in [[Beleriand]] towards the end of the [[First Age]], Elrond ever opposed [[Sauron]] and strove against him throughout the [[Second Age]] helping to bring about Sauron's defeat in the [[War of the Last Alliance]] as [[Gil-galad]]'s herald.

Elrond inherited Gil-galad's Elven ring [[Vilya]], and during the [[Third Age]] he fought against the [[Witch-king]] of [[Angmar]] and, as a member of the [[White Council]], expelled the Necromancer from [[Dol Guldur]] (who was Sauron in another guise). Towards the end of the Third Age, he was the foster-father to [[Aragorn]] as he had been to Arathorn before him. Aragorn went on to marry Elrond's daughter Arwen.

After the destruction of [[the One Ring]], Elrond sailed west with [[Gandalf]], [[Bilbo Baggins|Bilbo]], [[Frodo Baggins|Frodo]], [[Galadriel]] and [[Celeborn]]; their passing marked the end of the Third Age and the beginning of the [[Fourth Age|Fourth]].

Elrond is one of the most prominent, significant and recognisable characters in [[J.R.R. Tolkien]]'s legendarium, appearing in ''[[The Hobbit]]'', ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'', ''[[The Silmarillion]]'' and ''[[Unfinished Tales]]''. He was critical to providing [[Thorin and Company]] the information they needed to enter the [[Lonely Mountain]], and his [[Council of Elrond]] brought about the creation of the [[Fellowship of the Ring]] which ultimately resulted in the destruction of the One Ring, and the ultimate and final defeat of Sauron.

==Appearance and traits==
{{Quote|He was as noble and fair as an elf-lord, as strong as a warrior, as wise as a wizard, as venerable as a king of dwarves, and as kind as summer.|[[J.R.R. Tolkien]]<ref name="H3">{{H|3}}</ref>}}
Elrond is described to seem ageless, resembling neither old nor young, however one could see in his face the memories and experiences of thousands of years. He looked venerable both like an old king, a wise wizard, and an experienced warrior in his prime.

Elrond is described as dark-haired, while his eyes were grey shining like starlight. He could be seen wearing a circlet of silver.<ref name="FRMeetings">{{FR|Meetings}}</ref><ref>{{H|Rest}}</ref>

His parents were [[Eärendil]] and [[Elwing]]. He was thus [[Half-elven]]: Eärendil was the child of the mortal [[Tuor]] and the elf [[Idril]], while Elwing was the grandchild of [[Beren]] (a [[Men|Man]]) and [[Lúthien]] (daughter of the Elf-king [[Thingol]] and the Maia [[Melian]]). Consequently, Elrond was descended from all three tribes of the Elves ([[Vanyar]] and [[Noldor]] through Idril, [[Sindar]] through Luthien), a Maia, and all three houses of the [[Edain]] ([[House of Hador|Hador]], [[House of Haleth|Haleth]] and [[House of Bëor|Bëor]]).

==History==
===First Age===
Elrond was born at the [[Havens of Sirion]] late in the [[First Age]]. His parents were [[Eärendil]] and [[Elwing]] and had a twin brother, [[Elros]], who later became the first king of [[Númenor]].
[[File:Tuuliky - Little Half-elf.jpg|thumb|left|Maglor raises Elrond]]
When the [[Sons of Fëanor]] [[Third Kinslaying|attacked the Havens of Sirion]], Elwing was taken by [[Ulmo]]. The twins were carried off, but later found near a waterfall and they were named as such; Elrond was discovered in a cave. Taken captive by Maglor, they were subsequently raised by him.

Following the [[War of Wrath]], because of his Half-elven heritage the [[Valar]] gave Elrond and his brother a choice whether to be counted among the kindred of Elves or of Men. Elrond chose to belong to the [[Firstborn]], while Elros chose to become mortal. It was Elros who voyaged over sea to Númenor following the star of Eärendil; whereas Elrond remained among the Elves and carried on the lineage of King Elwë.<ref>{{PM|XII}}</ref> Elrond subsequently remained in [[Lindon]] with [[Gil-galad]], where he became known as a healer and lore-master.

===Second Age===
A fair being calling himself [[Annatar]], emmissary of the Valar, came seeking entrance to Lindon during the Second Age. Elrond and Gil-galad sensed that he was not what he seemed, and denied him. They were correct, as proven in the later [[War of the Elves and Sauron]]. Elrond led Elves from [[Lindon]] in [[Sack of Eregion|battle to defend Eregion]]. With them, and other Elves who fled the destruction of [[Eregion]], he established Imladris in {{SA|1697}}.<ref>{{App|SA}}</ref>

Many more refugees joined Elrond's host as Sauron ravaged Eriador during the course of the war. By {{SA|1700}}, Imladris, despite being [[First Siege of Imladris|besieged]], was the only part of [[Eriador]] not under Sauron's control. It was liberated by [[Gil-galad]]'s and [[Tar-Minastir]]'s forces. After Sauron's defeat, a Council was held at that time, establishing Elrond as Gil-galad's vice-regent in Eriador and that Imladris should be maintained as an Elvish stronghold.<ref>{{UT|6}}</ref>
[[File:The Lord of the Rings - The Fellowship of the Ring - Elves in the Last Alliance.jpeg|thumb|Elrond next to Gil-galad in battle.]]
Elrond marched with Gil-galad and [[Elendil]] during the [[War of the Last Alliance]], serving as Gil-galad’s herald. He was present during the [[Battle of Dagorlad|last battle]] of that war, witnessing the deaths of Gil-galad and Elendil. When [[Isildur]] cut [[the One Ring]] from Sauron’s hand at the conclusion of the battle, he and [[Círdan]] advised Isildur to destroy the Ring, but Isildur refused their counsel. Elrond subsequently returned to Rivendell, which prospered the coming years with the aid of the Ring of Air, [[Vilya]], that Elrond had received from Gil-galad.

It has been argued that following Gil-galad’s death, Elrond had the right to become High King of the Noldor, but he never claimed the title. Indeed, after the Second Age ended, there were very few Noldor left in Middle-earth for there to be a king over them.

===Third Age===
Following Isildur's death, Elrond received the shards of [[Narsil]], which he preserved for many years. He began his long tradition of fostering the heirs of Isildur by helping to raise Isildur's son [[Valandil (King of Arnor)|Valandil]], who had been left in Rivendell during the War of the Last Alliance.

In {{TA|109}}, Elrond married [[Celebrían]], the daughter of [[Galadriel]] and [[Celeborn]]. Their first children, the twins [[Elladan]] and [[Elrohir]], were born in {{TA|130|n}}, and their daughter [[Arwen]] in {{TA|241|n}}.

During the late reign of [[Arveleg I]], [[Second Siege of Imladris |Rivendell was besieged by Angmar]]. After an incursion by [[Angmar]] into Eriador in {{TA|1409}}, the Elvenfolk of Rivendell joined those of Lindon in subduing the power of the [[Witch-king]] for many years.<ref name="North">{{App|North}}</ref>

Centuries later, when the Northern Kingdom fell, Elrond took the other heirlooms of Arnor (the [[Sceptre of Annúminas]] and the [[Ring of Barahir]]) into his keeping, holding them for the one who would eventually be able to reclaim the throne of [[Arnor]].

Elrond along with others of the [[Wise]] were joined by the [[Wizards|Wizard]] [[Gandalf]] who was sent by the Valar from the West. As they decided, Gandalf invaded [[Dol Guldur]]. The Necromancer withdrew and the [[Watchful Peace]] begun. In {{TA|2463}} the Wise formed the [[White Council]] with the Wizard [[Saruman]] as its head.
[[File:Angus McBride - Dol Guldur.jpg|thumb|left|Angus McBride - ''Dol Guldur'']]
Elrond was separated from his wife when she was taken by [[Orcs]]; their sons rescued her but Elrond was unable to heal her. She had to leave for the [[Uttermost West|West]] in {{TA|2510|n}}.

In {{TA|2851}} the White Council met to decide on whether to act on Gandalf's discovery of the identity of the [[Necromancer]] as Sauron, but [[Saruman]] dissuaded the others from acting upon Gandalf's revelation.

In {{TA|2933}}, Elrond took [[Aragorn]] as his foster-son in Rivendell, and had Arwen live in [[Lothlórien]] with her grandmother.

Elrond named Aragorn ''[[Estel]]'' ("Hope") and concealed his heritage from him until he came of age. When Aragorn became an adult, Elrond gave him the [[Ring of Barahir]] and the shards of Narsil, foreseeing that Aragorn might be the one to claim the thrones of Gondor and Arnor. When Aragorn fell in love with Arwen, Elrond revealed to him that Arwen shared the choice of the Half-elven, and that one or the other of them would ultimately be parted from her forever. Elrond insisted that Arwen could not marry Aragorn until he became king of both Gondor and Arnor.
[[File:The Hobbit - An Unexpected Journey - Elrond and Thrór's Map.jpg|thumb|Elrond examines [[Thrór's Map]].]]
In {{TA|2941}} Elrond welcomed [[Thorin and Company]] into his home, the [[Rivendell|Last Homely House]] before the wild, in [[Rivendell]]. On Midsummer Eve - the night before the [[Dwarves]], [[Bilbo Baggins|Bilbo]], and [[Gandalf]] continued on their journey eastward - Elrond examined the swords which they had found in the trolls' cave. He read the runes and revealed that [[Thorin|Thorin's]] sword was called [[Orcrist]], the "Goblin-cleaver", and that Gandalf's sword was named [[Glamdring]], the "Foe-hammer". He told them that they were [[Elves|Elven]] swords from the ancient city of [[Gondolin]], long ago destroyed. He then looked at [[Thrór's Map]] and found that there were [[moon-letters]]. From the moon of that midsummer eve he could read the words, 'five feet high the door and three may walk abreast'; and 'stand by the grey stone when the thrush knocks and the setting sun with the last light of Durin's Day will shine upon the keyhole'. This information proved vital for Bilbo and the Dwarves to enter the [[Lonely Mountain]] through its secret entrance.<ref name="H3"/>

During that same year, the [[White Council]] assailed [[Dol Guldur]] and rid [[Mirkwood]] of the Necromancer's presence.<ref name="AppB2">{{App|B2}}</ref> Upon Bilbo and Gandalf's return to Rivendell, Elrond and the grey wizard discussed this and the events of the Lonely Mountain. They both agreed that it would be better if the Necromancer were banished from the world altogether.<ref name="H19">{{H|19}}</ref>

The White Council last met in {{TA|2953}}, when Gandalf expressed his concerns that the One Ring was Bilbo's ring found in the [[Goblin-town]]. Saruman quieted him, insisting that the Ring has been swept out to sea.

====The War of the Ring====
When [[Frodo Baggins|Frodo]] first left the Shire with the One Ring, it was always his intention to go to Rivendell to seek the advice of Elrond. Indeed, in his letter left at Bree, Gandalf counselled him to do so. Elrond healed Frodo of his wound sustained at [[Weathertop]]. Elrond then hosted the feast that was held when Frodo recovered.
[[File:Michael Kaluta - Elrond Recalls the Host of Gilgalad.jpg|thumb|left|[[Michael Kaluta]] - ''Elrond Recalls the Host of Gil-galad'']]
Elrond presided at the [[Council of Elrond]]. During that meeting, he narrated what he knew of the history of Isildur and the Ring. He identified Aragorn as the [[Heir of Isildur]], and when Frodo ultimately volunteered to carry the Ring, Elrond affirmed that decision as correct. Elrond also appeared to have selected the members of the Fellowship other than Frodo and [[Samwise Gamgee|Sam]], accepting [[Meriadoc Brandybuck|Merry]] and [[Peregrin Took|Pippin]] only reluctantly.

Later, Elrond sent his sons Elladan and Elrohir to join the [[Dúnedain]] Rangers who rode to Rohan to join Aragorn. Through Elrohir, Elrond advised Aragorn to take the [[Paths of the Dead]]. During the [[Last Debate]], Elrohir supported Aragorn’s decision to attack Mordor as a diversion to allow Frodo time to reach Mount Doom, saying that this was Elrond’s advice. Following the [[War of the Ring]], Elrond escorted Arwen to Minas Tirith for her marriage to Aragorn, and parted from her in great sorrow.
[[File:Ted Nasmith - Departure at the Grey Havens.jpg|thumb|[[Ted Nasmith]] - ''Departure at the Grey Havens'']]
Elrond was one of the Elves who took the [[White Ship]] to [[Valinor]] along with Frodo, Gandalf, and the other [[Ring-bearers]]. The Third Age's end is marked by Elrond’s departure.

==Inspiration==
Elrond was created for ''[[The Hobbit]]''. Subsequently he became the only character to appear in all three of ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', ''[[The Hobbit]]'', and ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]''.

In the chapter ''[[A Short Rest]]'' of ''The Hobbit'', it is said of Elrond that he “was an elf-friend — one of those people whose fathers came into the strange stories before the beginning of History, the wars of the evil goblins and the elves and the first men in the North. In those days of our tale there were still some people who had both elves and heroes of the North for ancestors, and Elrond the master of the house was their chief. He was as noble and as fair in face as an elf-lord, as strong as a warrior, as wise as a wizard, as venerable as a king of dwarves, and as kind as summer.” Note that in this description he is not identified as an elf himself, as Tolkien had not at this stage decided that Elrond of Rivendell was the same person as Elrond the son of Eärendil.

==Etymology==
The name '''Elrond''' ([[Sindarin|S]], pron. {{IPA|[ˈelrond]}}) has been translated as "Star-dome",<ref name="SoF">[[J.R.R. Tolkien]], [[Christopher Tolkien]] (ed.), ''[[The Peoples of Middle-earth]]'', "[[The Shibboleth of Fëanor]]"</ref> and "Vault of Heaven"<ref name="Etym">[[J.R.R. Tolkien]], [[Christopher Tolkien]] (ed.), ''[[The Lost Road and Other Writings]]'', "[[The Etymologies]]", page 384</ref> recalling the glory of [[Menegroth]] though at an earlier stage, it was supposed to mean "Elf of the Cave". His Quenya name was most likely '''Elerondo'''<ref>[[Petri Tikka]], "[http://www.geocities.com/petristikka/elvish/PE17.html Quenya words in Parma Eldalambaron 17]"</ref>, isolated from the patronymic ''Elerondiel'', "[[Arwen|daughter of Elrond]]".<ref>[[J.R.R. Tolkien]], [[Christopher Gilson]] (ed.), "Words, Phrases and Passages in ''The Lord of the Rings''", published in [[Parma Eldalamberon]] 17 (June 2007), page 56</ref>

==Genealogy==
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==Portrayal in adaptations==
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|File:The Hobbit (1977 film) - Elrond.jpg|Elrond as portrayed in [[The Hobbit (1977 film)|''The Hobbit'' (1977 film)]]
|File:The Lord of the Rings (1978 film) - Elrond.jpg|Elrond as portrayed in [[The Lord of the Rings (1978 film)|''The Lord of the Rings'' (1978 film)]]
|File:The Lord of the Rings - The Fellowship of the Ring - Elrond2.jpg|[[Hugo Weaving]] as Elrond in [[The Lord of the Rings (film series)|''The Lord of the Rings'' (film series)]]
|File:Elrond in LOTR- War in the North-1.png|'''Elrond''' in ''[[The Lord of the Rings: War in the North]]''
|File:LOTRO-Elrond.jpg|'''Elrond''' in ''[[The Lord of the Rings Online]]''
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===Films===
'''1977: [[The Hobbit (1977 film)|''The Hobbit'' (1977 film)]]:'''
:Elrond appears in [[Rivendell]], crowned with a ring of stars. He feeds the [[Thorin and Company|Dwarves]], and identifies [[Orcrist]] and [[Glamdring]]. He needs little time to identify the latter. He is shown with a beard, although Tolkien clearly states [[Elves]] do not have beards. His voice was provided by [[Cyril Ritchard]].

'''1978: [[The Lord of the Rings (1978 film)|''The Lord of the Rings'' (1978 film)]]:'''
:Elrond, voiced by [[André Morell]], appears at the [[Council of Elrond]]. He sits on a raised chair, and narrates the scene. Not until [[the One Ring]] is brought forward does he take an active part.

'''1980: [[The Return of the King (1980 film)|''The Return of the King'' (1980 film)]]:'''
:Elrond appears roughly the same as in the first of [[Rankin/Bass]]' films. The premise of the film, a [[minstrel of Gondor]] who tells the tale of "Frodo of the Nine Fingers, and the Ring of Doom" at [[Bilbo Baggins]]' 129th birthday party in Rivendell, allows Elrond to be a member of the audience. Because Cyril Ritchard had passed away not long after completing his work on ''The Hobbit'', Rankin/Bass regular [[Paul Frees]] took over as his voice.

'''2001: ''[[The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring]]'':'''
:Elrond, played by [[Hugo Weaving]], first appears in the prologue as a commander of the army of [[Gil-galad]] in the [[War of the Last Alliance]]. A later flashback scene shows him actually taking [[Isildur]] into [[Mount Doom]], trying to persuade him to destroy the Ring. [[Círdan]] is omitted.

:As in the book, Elrond heals [[Frodo Baggins|Frodo]]'s wound from [[Weathertop]]. Elrond then has a conversation with [[Gandalf]], discussing the many challenges that face them. Elrond argues that the Ring cannot remain in Rivendell (in the film, Frodo appears to have thought that he would be able to leave the Ring there). He also expresses his doubts about the race of [[Men]], and gives the first hints about [[Aragorn]]'s real identity. In the Council of Elrond, Elrond himself is the one who argues that the only option is to destroy the Ring. He does not select the Fellowship, but accepts those who volunteer.

:Elrond gains two additional scenes in the [[The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring (extended edition)|Extended Edition]] of the movie. In the first, he talks with Aragorn beside the grave of Aragorn’s mother. Elrond encourages the reluctant Aragorn to accept his fate of becoming [[Kings of Gondor|king]]. In the next scene, Elrond blesses the departing [[Fellowship of the Ring|Fellowship]].

'''2002: ''[[The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers]]'':'''
:Though he had no scenes in the book, Elrond appears mainly in conversations with [[Arwen]], whose role is also greatly expanded. In a flashback, Aragorn remembers Elrond telling him to abandon his love for Arwen, allowing her to sail to [[Valinor]]. Aragorn attempts to do this, but Arwen denies him. In another scene, Elrond persuades Arwen that she should sail to Valinor, describing what will happen if she remains and Aragorn dies. Elrond then has a telepathic communication with [[Galadriel]] discussing the [[War of the Ring|war]] that is about to start. He apparently suggests that she send an army to [[Helm's Deep]] to aid the [[Rohirrim|Men]] there, since when [[Haldir]] arrives at Helm's Deep he says that he brings "word from Elrond of Rivendell."

'''2003: ''[[The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King]]'':'''
:In the final installment of Jackson's film series, Elrond's first scene is with Arwen, who has decided not to sail after all, but to return. Although he senses that she is dying, Elrond acknowledges her choice. At her suggestion, he has the [[shards of Narsil]] [[Andúril|re-forged]], then carries the new sword to Aragorn at [[Dunharrow]]. He finally convinces Aragorn to accept his destiny, and advises him to take the [[Paths of the Dead]]. Later, Elrond escorts Arwen to [[Minas Tirith]] for [[Aragorn|Aragorn's]] coronation, and he finally sails to Valinor with the [[Ring-bearers]].

'''2012-14: [[The Hobbit (film series)|''The Hobbit'' (film series)]]:'''
:Hugo Weaving reprises the role of Elrond.<ref name="IMCasting">{{webcite|author=[[Ian McKellen]]|articleurl=http://www.mckellen.com/cinema/hobbit-movie/110510.htm|articlename=2 Elves and another Wizard|dated=10-May-2011|website=[http://www.mckellen.com/ Ian McKellen's website]|accessed=23-Dec-2011}}</ref> As in the book, he identifies Gandalf's and [[Thorin]]'s respective swords, as well as translating the [[Moon-letters|runes]] on Thorin's [[Thrór's Map|map]] in the [[The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey|first]] film. There is an additional scene where Elrond meets with the [[White Council]]. Like [[Saruman]], Elrond is somewhat skeptical of Gandalf's claims, deeming the Quest of [[Lonely Mountain|Erebor]] unwise. However, he is clearly alarmed by Gandalf's revealing of the [[Morgul-knife|Morgul blade]] from [[Dol Guldur]]. Elrond is seen again in the [[The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies|third]] of these films where he participates in the [[Attack on Dol Guldur|battle]] of Dol Guldur, joining Saruman in fighting off the [[Nazgûl]].

===Radio series===
'''1955: [[The Lord of the Rings (1955 radio series)|''The Lord of the Rings'' (1955 radio series)]]:'''
:The part of Elrond is voiced by [[Garard Green]].<ref name="RT1674">Radio Times, Volume 129, No. 1674, [[9 December|December 9]], [[1955]]</ref>

'''1968: [[The Hobbit (1968 radio series)|''The Hobbit'' (1968 radio series)]]:'''
:In this adaptation, Elrond is voiced by [[John Pullen]]. Gandalf claims that he is not an Elf, but an Elf-friend.

'''1981: [[The Lord of the Rings (1981 radio series)|''The Lord of the Rings'' (1981 radio series)]]:'''
:[[Hugh Dickson]] provided the voice of Elrond in this radio series. He first appears in the episode containing the [[Council of Elrond]], and appears unintroduced. Dickson showcases great trouble with pronouncing Elvish, and especially diphthongs. Gimli is the son of "[[Glóin|Gloo-in]]", who fought the dragon "[[Smaug|Sma-oog]]". Legolas is the son of "[[Thranduil|Thrandoo-uhl]]". He reappears in the final 2 episodes - first in the return to Rivendell warning Frodo to look out for Bilbo in the Shire one Autumn soon, and finally with Galadriel and Bilbo in the Shire before they all ride to the Grey Havens.

===Games===
'''1982: [[The Hobbit (1982 video game)|''The Hobbit (1982 text adventure game)'']]'''

:Elrond appears at Rivendell. The player can give him the curious map to read, and he also provides the player with lunch.

'''2002: [[The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring (video game)|''The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring'' (video game)]]:'''
:Like his predecessor Hugh Dickson, [[Jim Piddock]] shows incredible difficulty with diphthongs. "Glau-win" and "Thrandool" dislike each other, so too their sons.

'''2003: [[The Hobbit (2003 video game)|''The Hobbit'' (2003 video game)]]:'''
:In a short cutscene between the levels "Roast Mutton" and "Over Hill and Under Hill", Elrond is briefly mentioned. An artful image on a manuscript can be seen, while the [[Tom Kane|narrator]] explains Elrond examined the map and the swords.

'''2006: ''[[EA's The Battle for Middle-earth II]]'':'''
:In an alternative, northern War of the Ring, Rivendell is the main base of operations for Glóin and Glorfindel. As such, Elrond is the source of missions and advice, and serves as the narrator throughout the game (Hugo Weaving reprises the role). Elrond is a playable character during the assault on [[Dol Guldur]].

'''2007: ''[[The Lord of the Rings Online]]'':'''
:Elrond is a non-playable character and can be found in the library of the Last Homely House in Rivendell. During the Elven Prologue set hundreds of years before the War of the Ring he participates in a battle in the refuge of Edhellion, in northern [[Ered Luin]]. Elrond is heavily involved in the game original storyline and the characters are frequently bidden to return to him after uncovering troubling signs of the Enemy or achieving notable victories.

'''2009: ''[[The Lord of the Rings: Conquest]]'':'''
:Hugo Weaving once again reprises the role, serving as the narrator for both Good and Evil campaigns. Strangely in the Evil Campaign, Elrond needs to be killed twice during the Rivendell mission, and yet he continues to narrate the remainder of the campaign even though he is now deceased.

'''2011: ''[[The Lord of the Rings: War in the North]]'':'''
:Early in the game Elrond sends his sons, [[Elladan]] and [[Elrohir]], to scout [[Fornost]].<ref>[[The Lord of the Rings: War in the North]], Chapter 1: Fornost, ''Inner Wards''</ref> He later interacts with main characters in Rivendell, guiding them on their path of defeating Argandaur.

==See also==
*[[:Category:Images of Elrond|Images of Elrond]]
*[[Twins]]

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Eluréd

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Haran: Eluréd was not (as far as we know for sure) a half-elf. See http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Talk:Elwing and, if you disagree, write a objection.

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'''Eluréd''' ({{FA|500}}<ref>{{WJ|Hurin}}</ref> – {{FA|506|n}}<ref>{{WJ|Years}}</ref>) was a son of [[Dior|Dior Eluchíl]] and [[Nimloth of Doriath|Nimloth]]. He had a twin brother named [[Elurín]] and a sister [[Elwing]], and all three had been born in [[Lanthir Lamath]] while [[Beren]] and [[Lúthien]] lived there. However, after the host of the [[Naugrim]] had plundered [[Menegroth]], Dior brought his family to the Thousand Caves to renew the kingdom of [[Doriath]].

But soon, after not many years had passed, a messenger brought the [[Nauglamír]] to Dior, which told him that Beren and Lúthien were gone from the world. The news that Necklace of the Dwarves, which bore one of the [[Silmarils]], was in Dior's keeping provoked the sons of [[Fëanor]] to attack Menegroth. Dior and Nimloth were slain and Eluréd and Elurín were captured (Elwing escaped with the Silmaril). The two young boys were taken into the woods by the servants of [[Celegorm]] and left to starve. [[Maedhros]] repented and sought for the two but never found them.<ref>{{S|Doriath}}</ref>
==Etymology==
The [[Sindarin]] name is said to mean the same as the boy's father's name, [[Eluchíl]], that is, "Heir of Elu".<ref>{{S|Index}}</ref>
==Other Versions of the Legendarium==
In an early stage, Eluréd was called "[[Elbereth]]", an [[Ilkorin]] name containing the word ''bereth'' "valor". During the writing of ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'', the name was applied to [[Varda]], and the original meaning<ref group=note>Thus probably envisioned as *"star-valor"</ref> was struck out and the character was renamed "Eldún".<ref>{{LR|Etymologies}}, entries '''BARATH''', '''BER'''</ref>

In the genealogical table of the [[House of Bëor]], "Eldún"'s date of birth was given as {{FA}} 492 (and he was not a twin). He and his brother did die in {{FA|506|n}} but their father died in {{FA|511|n}}. In commentary following the table, [[Christopher Tolkien]] explained the year of 511 for Dior's death was incorrect and that in later sources the two brothers were twins born in {{FA|500}}.<ref>{{WJ|West}}, ''(i) The House of Bëor</ref>

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Elurín

2018-07-01T00:25:59Z

Haran: Elurín was not (as far as we know for sure) a half-elf. See http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Talk:Elwing and, if you disagree, write a objection.

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'''Elurín''' ({{FA|500}}<ref>{{WJ|Hurin}}</ref> – {{FA|506|n}}<ref>{{WJ|Years}}</ref>) was a son of [[Dior|Dior Eluchíl]] and [[Nimloth of Doriath|Nimloth]]. He had a twin brother named [[Eluréd]] and a sister [[Elwing]], and all three had been born in [[Lanthir Lamath]] while [[Beren]] and [[Lúthien]] lived there. However, after the host of the [[Naugrim]] had plundered [[Menegroth]], Dior brought his family to the Thousand Caves to renew the kingdom of [[Doriath]].

But soon, after not many years had passed, a messenger brought the [[Nauglamír]] to Dior, which told him that Beren and Lúthien were gone from the world. The news that Necklace of the Dwarves, which bore one of the [[Silmarils]], was in Dior's keeping provoked the sons of [[Fëanor]] to attack Menegroth. Dior and Nimloth were slain and Eluréd and Elurín were captured (Elwing escaped with the Silmaril). The two young boys were taken into the woods by the servants of [[Celegorm]] and left to starve. [[Maedhros]] repented and sought for the two but never found them.<ref>{{S|Doriath}}</ref>
==Etymology==
His [[Sindarin]] name means "Remembrance of Elu".<ref>{{S|Index}}</ref>
==Other Versions of the Legendarium==
In an early stage, Eluréd was called "[[Elboron]]", and his brother "[[Elbereth]]", both [[Ilkorin]] names. During the writing of ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'', the name ''Elbereth'' was applied to [[Varda]], and the brothers were renamed as "Eldún" and "Elrún".<ref>{{LR|Etymologies}}, entries '''BARATH''', '''BER''', '''RO'''</ref><ref group=note>As the name appears in ''[[The Etymologies]]'' under the stem RO, it is possible that the name means *"star-rise"</ref>

In the genealogical table of the [[House of Bëor]], "Elrún"'s date of birth was given as {{FA|495}} (and he was not a twin). He and his brother did die in {{FA|506|n}} but their father died in {{FA|511|n}}. In commentary following the table, [[Christopher Tolkien]] explained the year of 511 for Dior's death was incorrect and that in later sources the two brothers were twins born in {{FA|500}}.<ref>{{WJ|West}}, ''(i) The House of Bëor''</ref>

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Elwing

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Haran: Again: Elwing was not (as far as we know for sure) a half-elf. See talk page and, if you disagree, write a objection.

Talk:Elwing

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Haran:

Talk:Elwing

2018-05-14T19:40:11Z

Haran:

Elros

2018-05-11T21:08:42Z

Haran: See Talk:Elwing article. The Encyclopedia should remain neutral about Elwing being or not a half-elf.

Elrond

2018-05-11T21:08:22Z

Haran: See Talk:Elwing article. The Encyclopedia should remain neutral about Elwing being or not a half-elf.

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'''Elrond''' (b. {{FA|532}}) was the half-elven son of [[Eärendil]] and [[Elwing]], the father of [[Arwen]], and the Lord of [[Rivendell]] who consistently fought against [[Sauron]] throughout the Second and Third Ages.

Having been born in [[Beleriand]] towards the end of the [[First Age]], Elrond ever opposed [[Sauron]] and strove against him throughout the [[Second Age]] helping to bring about Sauron's defeat in the [[War of the Last Alliance]] as [[Gil-galad]]'s herald.

Elrond inherited Gil-galad's Elven ring [[Vilya]], and during the [[Third Age]] he fought against the [[Witch-king]] of [[Angmar]] and, as a member of the [[White Council]], expelled the Necromancer from [[Dol Guldur]] (who was Sauron in another guise). Towards the end of the Third Age, he was the foster-father to [[Aragorn]] as he had been to Arathorn before him. Aragorn went on to marry Elrond's daughter Arwen.

After the destruction of [[the One Ring]], Elrond sailed west with [[Gandalf]], [[Bilbo Baggins|Bilbo]], [[Frodo Baggins|Frodo]], [[Galadriel]] and [[Celeborn]]; their passing marked the end of the Third Age and the beginning of the [[Fourth Age|Fourth]].

Elrond is one of the most prominent, significant and recognisable characters in [[J.R.R. Tolkien]]'s legendarium, appearing in ''[[The Hobbit]]'', ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'', ''[[The Silmarillion]]'' and ''[[Unfinished Tales]]''. He was critical to providing [[Thorin and Company]] the information they needed to enter the [[Lonely Mountain]], and his [[Council of Elrond]] brought about the creation of the [[Fellowship of the Ring]] which ultimately resulted in the destruction of the One Ring, and the ultimate and final defeat of Sauron.

==Appearance and traits==
{{Quote|He was as noble and fair as an elf-lord, as strong as a warrior, as wise as a wizard, as venerable as a king of dwarves, and as kind as summer.|[[J.R.R. Tolkien]]<ref name="H3">{{H|3}}</ref>}}
Elrond is described to seem ageless, resembling neither old nor young, however one could see in his face the memories and experiences of thousands of years. He looked venerable both like an old king, a wise wizard, and an experienced warrior in his prime.

Elrond is described as dark-haired, while his eyes were grey shining like starlight. He could be seen wearing a circlet of silver.<ref name="FRMeetings">{{FR|Meetings}}</ref><ref>{{H|Rest}}</ref>

His parents were [[Eärendil]] and [[Elwing]]. He was thus [[Half-elven]]: Eärendil was the child of the mortal [[Tuor]] and the elf [[Idril]], while Elwing was the grandchild of [[Beren]] (a [[Men|Man]]) and [[Lúthien]] (daughter of the Elf-king [[Thingol]] and the Maia [[Melian]]). Consequently, Elrond was descended from all three tribes of the Elves ([[Vanyar]] and [[Noldor]] through Idril, [[Sindar]] through Luthien), a Maia, and all three houses of the [[Edain]] ([[House of Hador|Hador]], [[House of Haleth|Haleth]] and [[House of Bëor|Bëor]]).

==History==
===First Age===
Elrond was born at the [[Havens of Sirion]] late in the [[First Age]]. His parents were [[Eärendil]] and [[Elwing]] and had a twin brother, [[Elros]], who later became the first king of [[Númenor]].
[[File:Tuuliky - Little Half-elf.jpg|thumb|left|Maglor raises Elrond]]
When the [[Sons of Fëanor]] [[Third Kinslaying|attacked the Havens of Sirion]], Elwing was taken by [[Ulmo]]. The twins were carried off, but later found near a waterfall and they were named as such; Elrond was discovered in a cave. Taken captive by Maglor, they were subsequently raised by him.

Following the [[War of Wrath]], because of his Half-elven heritage the [[Valar]] gave Elrond and his brother a choice whether to be counted among the kindred of Elves or of Men. Elrond chose to belong to the [[Firstborn]], while Elros chose to become mortal. It was Elros who voyaged over sea to Númenor following the star of Eärendil; whereas Elrond remained among the Elves and carried on the lineage of King Elwë.<ref>{{PM|XII}}</ref> Elrond subsequently remained in [[Lindon]] with [[Gil-galad]], where he became known as a healer and lore-master.

===Second Age===
A fair being calling himself [[Annatar]], emmissary of the Valar, came seeking entrance to Lindon during the Second Age. Elrond and Gil-galad sensed that he was not what he seemed, and denied him. They were correct, as proven in the later [[War of the Elves and Sauron]]. Elrond led Elves from [[Lindon]] in [[Sack of Eregion|battle to defend Eregion]]. With them, and other Elves who fled the destruction of [[Eregion]], he established Imladris in {{SA|1697}}.<ref>{{App|SA}}</ref>

Many more refugees joined Elrond's host as Sauron ravaged Eriador during the course of the war. By {{SA|1700}}, Imladris, despite being [[First Siege of Imladris|besieged]], was the only part of [[Eriador]] not under Sauron's control. It was liberated by [[Gil-galad]]'s and [[Tar-Minastir]]'s forces. After Sauron's defeat, a Council was held at that time, establishing Elrond as Gil-galad's vice-regent in Eriador and that Imladris should be maintained as an Elvish stronghold.<ref>{{UT|6}}</ref>
[[File:The Lord of the Rings - The Fellowship of the Ring - Elves in the Last Alliance.jpeg|thumb|Elrond next to Gil-galad in battle.]]
Elrond marched with Gil-galad and [[Elendil]] during the [[War of the Last Alliance]], serving as Gil-galad’s herald. He was present during the [[Battle of Dagorlad|last battle]] of that war, witnessing the deaths of Gil-galad and Elendil. When [[Isildur]] cut [[the One Ring]] from Sauron’s hand at the conclusion of the battle, he and [[Círdan]] advised Isildur to destroy the Ring, but Isildur refused their counsel. Elrond subsequently returned to Rivendell, which prospered the coming years with the aid of the Ring of Air, [[Vilya]], that Elrond had received from Gil-galad.

It has been argued that following Gil-galad’s death, Elrond had the right to become High King of the Noldor, but he never claimed the title. Indeed, after the Second Age ended, there were very few Noldor left in Middle-earth for there to be a king over them.

===Third Age===
Following Isildur's death, Elrond received the shards of [[Narsil]], which he preserved for many years. He began his long tradition of fostering the heirs of Isildur by helping to raise Isildur's son [[Valandil (King of Arnor)|Valandil]], who had been left in Rivendell during the War of the Last Alliance.

In {{TA|109}}, Elrond married [[Celebrían]], the daughter of [[Galadriel]] and [[Celeborn]]. Their first children, the twins [[Elladan]] and [[Elrohir]], were born in {{TA|130|n}}, and their daughter [[Arwen]] in {{TA|241|n}}.

During the late reign of [[Arveleg I]], [[Second Siege of Imladris |Rivendell was besieged by Angmar]]. After an incursion by [[Angmar]] into Eriador in {{TA|1409}}, the Elvenfolk of Rivendell joined those of Lindon in subduing the power of the [[Witch-king]] for many years.<ref name="North">{{App|North}}</ref>

Centuries later, when the Northern Kingdom fell, Elrond took the other heirlooms of Arnor (the [[Sceptre of Annúminas]] and the [[Ring of Barahir]]) into his keeping, holding them for the one who would eventually be able to reclaim the throne of [[Arnor]].

Elrond along with others of the [[Wise]] were joined by the [[Wizards|Wizard]] [[Gandalf]] who was sent by the Valar from the West. As they decided, Gandalf invaded [[Dol Guldur]]. The Necromancer withdrew and the [[Watchful Peace]] begun. In {{TA|2463}} the Wise formed the [[White Council]] with the Wizard [[Saruman]] as its head.
[[File:Angus McBride - Dol Guldur.jpg|thumb|left|Angus McBride - ''Dol Guldur'']]
Elrond was separated from his wife when she was taken by [[Orcs]]; their sons rescued her but Elrond was unable to heal her. She had to leave for the [[Uttermost West|West]] in {{TA|2510|n}}.

In {{TA|2851}} the White Council met to decide on whether to act on Gandalf's discovery of the identity of the [[Necromancer]] as Sauron, but [[Saruman]] dissuaded the others from acting upon Gandalf's revelation.

In {{TA|2933}}, Elrond took [[Aragorn]] as his foster-son in Rivendell, and had Arwen live in [[Lothlórien]] with her Grandmother.

Elrond named Aragorn ''[[Estel]]'' ("Hope") and concealed his heritage from him until he came of age. When Aragorn became an adult, Elrond gave him the [[Ring of Barahir]] and the shards of Narsil, foreseeing that Aragorn might be the one to claim the thrones of Gondor and Arnor. When Aragorn fell in love with Arwen, Elrond revealed to him that Arwen shared the choice of the Half-elven, and that one or the other of them would ultimately be parted from her forever. Elrond insisted that Arwen could not marry Aragorn until he became king of both Gondor and Arnor.
[[File:The Hobbit - An Unexpected Journey - Elrond and Thrór's Map.jpg|thumb|Elrond examines [[Thrór's Map]].]]
In {{TA|2941}} Elrond welcomed [[Thorin and Company]] into his home, the [[Rivendell|Last Homely House]] before the wild, in [[Rivendell]]. On midsummer eve - the night before the [[Dwarves]], [[Bilbo Baggins|Bilbo]], and [[Gandalf]] continued on their journey eastward - Elrond examined the swords which they had found in the trolls' cave. He read the runes and revealed that [[Thorin|Thorin's]] sword was called [[Orcrist]], the "Goblin-cleaver", and that Gandalf sword was named [[Glamdring]], the "Foe-hammer". He told them that they were [[Elves|Elven]] swords from the ancient city of [[Gondolin]], long ago destroyed. He then looked at [[Thrór's Map]] and found that there were [[moon-letters]]. From the moon of that midsummer eve he could read the words, 'five feet high the door and three may walk abreast'; and 'stand by the grey stone when the thrush knocks and the setting sun with the last light of Durin's Day will shine upon the keyhole'. This information proved vital for Bilbo and the Dwarves to enter the [[Lonely Mountain]] through its secret entrance.<ref name="H3"/>

During that same year, the [[White Council]] assailed [[Dol Guldur]] and rid [[Mirkwood]] of the Necromancer's presence.<ref name="AppB2">{{App|B2}}</ref> Upon Bilbo and Gandalf's return to Rivendell, Elrond and the grey wizard discussed this and the events of the Lonely Mountain. They both agreed that it would be better if the Necromancer were banished from the world altogether.<ref name="H19">{{H|19}}</ref>

The White Council last met in {{TA|2953}}, when Gandalf expressed his concerns that the One Ring was Bilbo's ring found in the [[Goblin-town]]. Saruman quieted him, insisting that the Ring has been swept out to sea.

====The War of the Ring====
When [[Frodo Baggins|Frodo]] first left the Shire with the One Ring, it was always his intention to go to Rivendell to seek the advice of Elrond. Indeed, in his letter left at Bree, Gandalf counselled him to do so. Elrond healed Frodo of his wound sustained at [[Weathertop]]. Elrond then hosted the feast that was held when Frodo recovered.
[[File:Michael Kaluta - Elrond Recalls the Host of Gilgalad.jpg|thumb|left|[[Michael Kaluta]] - ''Elrond Recalls the Host of Gil-galad'']]
Elrond presided at the [[Council of Elrond]]. During that meeting, he narrated what he knew of the history of Isildur and the Ring. He identified Aragorn as the [[Heir of Isildur]], and when Frodo ultimately volunteered to carry the Ring, Elrond affirmed that decision as correct. Elrond also appeared to have selected the members of the Fellowship other than Frodo and [[Samwise Gamgee|Sam]], accepting [[Meriadoc Brandybuck|Merry]] and [[Peregrin Took|Pippin]] only reluctantly.

Later, Elrond sent his sons Elladan and Elrohir to join the [[Dúnedain]] Rangers who rode to Rohan to join Aragorn. Through Elrohir, Elrond advised Aragorn to take the [[Paths of the Dead]]. During the [[Last Debate]], Elrohir supported Aragorn’s decision to attack Mordor as a diversion to allow Frodo time to reach Mount Doom, saying that this was Elrond’s advice. Following the [[War of the Ring]], Elrond escorted Arwen to Minas Tirith for her marriage to Aragorn, and parted from her in great sorrow.
[[File:Ted Nasmith - Departure at the Grey Havens.jpg|thumb|[[Ted Nasmith]] - ''Departure at the Grey Havens'']]
Elrond was one of the Elves who took the [[White Ship]] to [[Valinor]] along with Frodo, Gandalf, and the other [[Ring-bearers]]. The Third Age's end is marked by Elrond’s departure.

==Inspiration==
Elrond was created for ''[[The Hobbit]]''. Subsequently he became the only character to appear in all three of ''[[The Silmarillion]]'', ''[[The Hobbit]]'', and ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]''.

In the chapter ''[[A Short Rest]]'' of ''The Hobbit'', it is said of Elrond that he “was an elf-friend — one of those people whose fathers came into the strange stories before the beginning of History, the wars of the evil goblins and the elves and the first men in the North. In those days of our tale there were still some people who had both elves and heroes of the North for ancestors, and Elrond the master of the house was their chief. He was as noble and as fair in face as an elf-lord, as strong as a warrior, as wise as a wizard, as venerable as a king of dwarves, and as kind as summer.” Note that in this description he is not identified as an elf himself, as Tolkien had not at this stage decided that Elrond of Rivendell was the same person as Elrond the son of Eärendil.

==Etymology==
The name '''Elrond''' ([[Sindarin|S]], pron. {{IPA|[ˈelrond]}}) has been translated as "Star-dome",<ref name="SoF">[[J.R.R. Tolkien]], [[Christopher Tolkien]] (ed.), ''[[The Peoples of Middle-earth]]'', "[[The Shibboleth of Fëanor]]"</ref> and "Vault of Heaven"<ref name="Etym">[[J.R.R. Tolkien]], [[Christopher Tolkien]] (ed.), ''[[The Lost Road and Other Writings]]'', "[[The Etymologies]]", page 384</ref> recalling the glory of [[Menegroth]] though at an earlier stage, it was supposed to mean "Elf of the Cave". His Quenya name was most likely '''Elerondo'''<ref>[[Petri Tikka]], "[http://www.geocities.com/petristikka/elvish/PE17.html Quenya words in Parma Eldalambaron 17]"</ref>, isolated from the patronymic ''Elerondiel'', "[[Arwen|daughter of Elrond]]".<ref>[[J.R.R. Tolkien]], [[Christopher Gilson]] (ed.), "Words, Phrases and Passages in ''The Lord of the Rings''", published in [[Parma Eldalamberon]] 17 (June 2007), page 56</ref>

==Genealogy==
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==Portrayal in adaptations==
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|File:The Hobbit (1977 film) - Elrond.jpg|Elrond as portrayed in [[The Hobbit (1977 film)|''The Hobbit'' (1977 film)]]
|File:The Lord of the Rings (1978 film) - Elrond.jpg|Elrond as portrayed in [[The Lord of the Rings (1978 film)|''The Lord of the Rings'' (1978 film)]]
|File:The Lord of the Rings - The Fellowship of the Ring - Elrond2.jpg|[[Hugo Weaving]] as Elrond in [[The Lord of the Rings (film series)|''The Lord of the Rings'' (film series)]]
|File:Elrond in LOTR- War in the North-1.png|'''Elrond''' in ''[[The Lord of the Rings: War in the North]]''
|File:LOTRO-Elrond.jpg|'''Elrond''' in ''[[The Lord of the Rings Online]]''
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===Films===
'''1977: [[The Hobbit (1977 film)|''The Hobbit'' (1977 film)]]:'''
:Elrond appears in [[Rivendell]], crowned with a ring of stars. He feeds the [[Thorin and Company|Dwarves]], and identifies [[Orcrist]] and [[Glamdring]]. He needs little time to identify the latter. He is shown with a beard, although Tolkien clearly states [[Elves]] do not have beards. His voice was provided by [[Cyril Ritchard]].

'''1978: [[The Lord of the Rings (1978 film)|''The Lord of the Rings'' (1978 film)]]:'''
:Elrond, voiced by [[André Morell]], appears at the [[Council of Elrond]]. He sits on a raised chair, and narrates the scene. Not until [[the One Ring]] is brought forward does he take an active part.

'''1980: [[The Return of the King (1980 film)|''The Return of the King'' (1980 film)]]:'''
:Elrond appears roughly the same as in the first of [[Rankin/Bass]]' films. The premise of the film, a [[minstrel of Gondor]] who tells the tale of "Frodo of the Nine Fingers, and the Ring of Doom" at [[Bilbo Baggins]]' 129th birthday party in Rivendell, allows Elrond to be a member of the audience. Because Cyril Ritchard had passed away not long after completing his work on ''The Hobbit'', Rankin/Bass regular [[Paul Frees]] took over as his voice.

'''2001: ''[[The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring]]'':'''
:Elrond, played by [[Hugo Weaving]], first appears in the prologue as a commander of the army of [[Gil-galad]] in the [[War of the Last Alliance]]. A later flashback scene shows him actually taking [[Isildur]] into [[Mount Doom]], trying to persuade him to destroy the Ring. [[Círdan]] is omitted.

:As in the book, Elrond heals [[Frodo Baggins|Frodo]]'s wound from [[Weathertop]]. Elrond then has a conversation with [[Gandalf]], discussing the many challenges that face them. Elrond argues that the Ring cannot remain in Rivendell (in the film, Frodo appears to have thought that he would be able to leave the Ring there). He also expresses his doubts about the race of [[Men]], and gives the first hints about [[Aragorn]]'s real identity. In the Council of Elrond, Elrond himself is the one who argues that the only option is to destroy the Ring. He does not select the Fellowship, but accepts those who volunteer.

:Elrond gains two additional scenes in the [[The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring (extended edition)|Extended Edition]] of the movie. In the first, he talks with Aragorn beside the grave of Aragorn’s mother. Elrond encourages the reluctant Aragorn to accept his fate of becoming [[Kings of Gondor|king]]. In the next scene, Elrond blesses the departing [[Fellowship of the Ring|Fellowship]].

'''2002: ''[[The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers]]'':'''
:Though he had no scenes in the book, Elrond appears mainly in conversations with [[Arwen]], whose role is also greatly expanded. In a flashback, Aragorn remembers Elrond telling him to abandon his love for Arwen, allowing her to sail to [[Valinor]]. Aragorn attempts to do this, but Arwen denies him. In another scene, Elrond persuades Arwen that she should sail to Valinor, describing what will happen if she remains and Aragorn dies. Elrond then has a telepathic communication with [[Galadriel]] discussing the [[War of the Ring|war]] that is about to start. He apparently suggests that she send an army to [[Helm's Deep]] to aid the [[Rohirrim|Men]] there, since when [[Haldir]] arrives at Helm's Deep he says that he brings "word from Elrond of Rivendell."

'''2003: ''[[The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King]]'':'''
:In the final installment of Jackson's film series, Elrond's first scene is with Arwen, who has decided not to sail after all, but to return. Although he senses that she is dying, Elrond acknowledges her choice. At her suggestion, he has the [[shards of Narsil]] [[Andúril|re-forged]], then carries the new sword to Aragorn at [[Dunharrow]]. He finally convinces Aragorn to accept his destiny, and advises him to take the [[Paths of the Dead]]. Later, Elrond escorts Arwen to [[Minas Tirith]] for [[Aragorn|Aragorn's]] coronation, and he finally sails to Valinor with the [[Ring-bearers]].

'''2012-14: [[The Hobbit (film series)|''The Hobbit'' (film series)]]:'''
:Hugo Weaving reprises the role of Elrond.<ref name="IMCasting">{{webcite|author=[[Ian McKellen]]|articleurl=http://www.mckellen.com/cinema/hobbit-movie/110510.htm|articlename=2 Elves and another Wizard|dated=10-May-2011|website=[http://www.mckellen.com/ Ian McKellen's website]|accessed=23-Dec-2011}}</ref> As in the book, he identifies Gandalf's and [[Thorin]]'s respective swords, as well as translating the [[Moon-letters|runes]] on Thorin's [[Thrór's Map|map]] in the [[The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey|first]] film. There is an additional scene where Elrond meets with the [[White Council]]. Like [[Saruman]], Elrond is somewhat skeptical of Gandalf's claims, deeming the Quest of [[Lonely Mountain|Erebor]] unwise. However, he is clearly alarmed by Gandalf's revealing of the [[Morgul-knife|Morgul blade]] from [[Dol Guldur]]. Elrond is seen again in the [[The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies|third]] of these films where he participates in the [[Attack on Dol Guldur|battle]] of Dol Guldur, joining Saruman in fighting off the [[Nazgûl]].

===Radio series===
'''1955: [[The Lord of the Rings (1955 radio series)|''The Lord of the Rings'' (1955 radio series)]]:'''
:The part of Elrond is voiced by [[Garard Green]].<ref name="RT1674">Radio Times, Volume 129, No. 1674, [[9 December|December 9]], [[1955]]</ref>

'''1968: [[The Hobbit (1968 radio series)|''The Hobbit'' (1968 radio series)]]:'''
:In this adaptation, Elrond is voiced by [[John Pullen]]. Gandalf claims that he is not an Elf, but an Elf-friend.

'''1981: [[The Lord of the Rings (1981 radio series)|''The Lord of the Rings'' (1981 radio series)]]:'''
:[[Hugh Dickson]] provided the voice of Elrond in this radio series. He first appears in the episode containing the [[Council of Elrond]], and appears unintroduced. Dickson showcases great trouble with pronouncing Elvish, and especially diphthongs. Gimli is the son of "[[Glóin|Gloo-in]]", who fought the dragon "[[Smaug|Sma-oog]]". Legolas is the son of "[[Thranduil|Thrandoo-uhl]]". He reappears in the final 2 episodes - first in the return to Rivendell warning Frodo to look out for Bilbo in the Shire one Autumn soon, and finally with Galadriel and Bilbo in the Shire before they all ride to the Grey Havens.

===Games===
'''1982: [[The Hobbit (1982 video game)|''The Hobbit (1982 text adventure game)'']]'''

:Elrond appears at Rivendell. The player can give him the curious map to read, and he also provides the player with lunch.

'''2002: [[The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring (video game)|''The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring'' (video game)]]:'''
:Like his predecessor Hugh Dickson, [[Jim Piddock]] shows incredible difficulty with diphthongs. "Glau-win" and "Thrandool" dislike each other, so too their sons.

'''2003: [[The Hobbit (2003 video game)|''The Hobbit'' (2003 video game)]]:'''
:In a short cutscene between the levels "Roast Mutton" and "Over Hill and Under Hill", Elrond is briefly mentioned. An artful image on a manuscript can be seen, while the [[Tom Kane|narrator]] explains Elrond examined the map and the swords.

'''2006: ''[[EA's The Battle for Middle-earth II]]'':'''
:In an alternative, northern War of the Ring, Rivendell is the main base of operations for Glóin and Glorfindel. As such, Elrond is the source of missions and advice, and serves as the narrator throughout the game (Hugo Weaving reprises the role). Elrond is a playable character during the assault on [[Dol Guldur]].

'''2007: ''[[The Lord of the Rings Online]]'':'''
:Elrond is a non-playable character and can be found in the library of the Last Homely House in Rivendell. During the Elven Prologue set hundreds of years before the War of the Ring he participates in a battle in the refuge of Edhellion, in northern [[Ered Luin]]. Elrond is heavily involved in the game original storyline and the characters are frequently bidden to return to him after uncovering troubling signs of the Enemy or achieving notable victories.

'''2009: ''[[The Lord of the Rings: Conquest]]'':'''
:Hugo Weaving once again reprises the role, serving as the narrator for both Good and Evil campaigns. Strangely in the Evil Campaign, Elrond needs to be killed twice during the Rivendell mission, and yet he continues to narrate the remainder of the campaign even though he is now deceased.

'''2011: ''[[The Lord of the Rings: War in the North]]'':'''
:Early in the game Elrond sends his sons, [[Elladan]] and [[Elrohir]], to scout [[Fornost]].<ref>[[The Lord of the Rings: War in the North]], Chapter 1: Fornost, ''Inner Wards''</ref> He later interacts with main characters in Rivendell, guiding them on their path of defeating Argandaur.

==See also==
*[[:Category:Images of Elrond|Images of Elrond]]
*[[Twins]]

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Eluréd

2018-05-11T21:08:07Z

Haran: See Talk:Elwing article. The Encyclopedia should remain neutral about Elwing being or not a half-elf.

Elurín

2018-05-11T21:07:57Z

Haran: See Talk:Elwing article. The Encyclopedia should remain neutral about Elwing being or not a half-elf.

Talk:Elwing

2018-05-11T21:04:36Z

Haran:

Talk:Elwing

2018-05-11T20:59:49Z

Haran: