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<p>HitherShores: </p> <hr /> <div>== What race was Lúthien? ==<br /> Since Lúthien chose to be mortal, didn't she die an [[Edain]]? --[[User:Ebakunin|Ebakunin]] 17:37, 30 June 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Actually &quot;the Edain&quot; referred only to a group of men, not men as a whole (which you probably knew, but oh well). Just because Lúthien chose mortality does not mean she &quot;becomes&quot; a man. That is my opinion anyway. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 21:11, 30 June 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::I did some quick research and we were both wrong. ''[[Half-elven]]'' comes from mixing [[Men]] and [[Elves]] only, since they have conflicting [[Doom of Men|fates]]. Even though her mother was a [[Maia]] and she later became mortal, Lúthien was sill considered one of the [[Eldar]]. It was [[Beren]] that started to complicate everything. --[[User:Ebakunin|Ebakunin]] 22:04, 30 June 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::Alright. Thanks! --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 09:51, 1 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> == Shared similarities ==<br /> <br /> &lt;blockquote&gt;She was said to be the fairest maiden to have ever lived (a description later shared also by [[Arwen]]). &lt;/blockquote&gt;<br /> <br /> The parenthesis is not quite correct, is it? Lúthien is described ''&quot;And of the love of Thingol and Melian there came into the world the fairest of all the Children of Ilúvatar that was or shall ever be.''&quot; This strikes me as an absolute statement. <br /> Arwen, however, is described (in regards to her foremother) as &quot;''but a descendant very like her in looks, character, and fate''&quot; and &quot;''in whom it was said that the likeness of Lúthien had come on earth again''&quot;. But not as being as fair as Lúthien. I'd like to propose a change to something to that. [[User:HitherShores|HitherShores]] ([[User talk:HitherShores|talk]]) 19:25, 21 September 2023 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :I see someone edited it so now it's &quot;She was said to be the fairest maiden to have ever lived, a beauty that would appear again only millennia later on Arwen.&quot; I don't think that's grammatically or factually correct. I'd like to remove the mention of Arwen entirely, as that should be on Arwen's page, not Lúthien's. If anyone can think of why not, let me know and we can discuss. --[[User:HitherShores|HitherShores]] ([[User talk:HitherShores|talk]]) 08:48, 12 October 2023 (UTC)</div>

HitherShores https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:L%C3%BAthien&diff=380625 2023-09-21T19:25:26Z

<p>HitherShores: /* Shared similarities */ new section</p> <hr /> <div>== What race was Lúthien? ==<br /> Since Lúthien chose to be mortal, didn't she die an [[Edain]]? --[[User:Ebakunin|Ebakunin]] 17:37, 30 June 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Actually &quot;the Edain&quot; referred only to a group of men, not men as a whole (which you probably knew, but oh well). Just because Lúthien chose mortality does not mean she &quot;becomes&quot; a man. That is my opinion anyway. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 21:11, 30 June 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::I did some quick research and we were both wrong. ''[[Half-elven]]'' comes from mixing [[Men]] and [[Elves]] only, since they have conflicting [[Doom of Men|fates]]. Even though her mother was a [[Maia]] and she later became mortal, Lúthien was sill considered one of the [[Eldar]]. It was [[Beren]] that started to complicate everything. --[[User:Ebakunin|Ebakunin]] 22:04, 30 June 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::Alright. Thanks! --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 09:51, 1 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> == Shared similarities ==<br /> <br /> &lt;blockquote&gt;She was said to be the fairest maiden to have ever lived (a description later shared also by [[Arwen]]). &lt;/blockquote&gt;<br /> <br /> The parenthesis is not quite correct, is it? Lúthien is described ''&quot;And of the love of Thingol and Melian there came into the world the fairest of all the Children of Ilúvatar that was or shall ever be.''&quot; This strikes me as an absolute statement. <br /> Arwen, however, is described (in regards to her foremother) as &quot;''but a descendant very like her in looks, character, and fate''&quot; and &quot;''in whom it was said that the likeness of Lúthien had come on earth again''&quot;. But not as being as fair as Lúthien. I'd like to propose a change to something to that. [[User:HitherShores|HitherShores]] ([[User talk:HitherShores|talk]]) 19:25, 21 September 2023 (UTC)</div>

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