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Talk:Nandorin

2022-05-24T14:16:59Z

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== This page ==
It appears that everything has been transferred to the Silvan Elvish page. Can someone double check when they have the time. [[User:Dour1234|Dour1234]], 24 March 2022

I double checked, and fixed an error. Overall, it should be merged now. - [[User:I eneth nîn...|I eneth nîn]]... 24 May 2022

Silvan Elvish

2022-05-24T14:07:24Z

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'''Silvan Elvish''' was a name for the tongue spoken by the [[Silvan Elves]].

== History ==
Silvan Elvish descended from '''Nandorin/Danian'''<ref name=pe18/> (from their leader [[Lenwë|Lenwë/Dân]]), which was the language of the [[Nandor]], those [[Teleri]] [[Elves]] who broke from the [[Great Journey]] east of the [[Misty Mountains]]. As such, Nandorin was a branch of the [[Common Telerin]].

A branch of the Nandor eventually completed the Journey, settling in [[Ossiriand]] and became known as the [[Laiquendi]]; those spoke ''West-Danian'' (also called ''Ossiriandrin'' or ''Ossiriandish'',<ref>{{PE|17}}, p. 153)</ref> and ''Laiquenderin''). Those who remained in [[Rhovanion|the East]] spoke ''East-Danian''.<ref name=pe18>{{PE|18}} (manuscript TQ 2, ca. [[1951]]-[[1952|52]]), p. 78</ref>

After the [[First Age]], the surviving Elves of [[Beleriand]] carried their speech back into the east. In the [[Third Age]] the Nandor became known as [[Silvan Elves]], with their language being known as Silvan Elvish, heard both in [[Lothlórien]] and the [[Woodland Realm]] of [[Mirkwood]]. [[Sindarin]]-speakers settled in both the main Silvan realms, and in Lórien, at least, Sindarin quickly overtook Silvan Elvish in common use. The history of the tongue in Mirkwood is more difficult to determine - some sources suggest that it, too, was quickly overtaken by Sindarin, but other sources dispute this. Sindarin had become the dominant [[Elvish]] tongue of the [[Westlands]], with Nandorin little-spoken; it was represented mainly in old place-names and Silvan dialects developed under its influence.

By the end of the [[Third Age]], the only remnants of Silvan were a few names, like '''[[Caras Galadhon]]''',<ref>{{UT|6}}</ref> '''[[Amroth]]'''<ref>{{App|F1}}</ref> or '''[[Legolas]]'''<ref>{{L|211}}</ref><ref>{{PE|17}}, pp. 84, 153</ref> which sound like Sindarin, but actually betray the influences of Silvan words.

== Other names ==
[[Legolas]] calls the dialect the "''woodland tongue''".<ref>{{FR|II6}}</ref>

In one note [[J.R.R. Tolkien|Tolkien]] calls the language just Silvan.<ref>{{MR|P3I5}}, p. 182 (commentary to §42)</ref>

== Other versions of the legendarium ==
In ''[[Lhammas|The Lhammas]]'' (ca. [[1937]]-[[1938|38]]), Tolkien used the names ''Ossiriandic'' or ''Ossiriandeb''; and ''Leikvian'' for ''East Danian''.<ref>{{LR|Lhammas}}</ref>

== See also ==
* [[:Category:Nandorin words|Category: Nandorin words]]
* [[:Category:Silvan Elvish words|Category: Silvan Elvish words]]

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1987

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{{year-header}}
==April==
* '''[[23 April|23]]''' - ''[[Pictures under Discussion]]'' is published.
==July==
* '''[[24 July|24]]-[[27 July|27]]''' - [[Mythcon 18]].
* ''' [[25 July|25]] [[Christopher Wiseman]] dies.'''
==August==
* '''[[27 August|27]]''' - ''[[The Lost Road and Other Writings]]'' is published in the UK.
* '''[[28 August|28]]''' - Actor [[John Huston]] dies.
==September==
* '''[[25 September|25]]-[[27 September|27]]''' - [[Oxonmoot 1987]].
* '''?''' - [[Mallorn 24|''Mallorn'' 24]] is published.

==October==
* '''[[8 October|8]]''' - [[Roger Lancelyn Green]], [[Inklings|Inkling]] and biographer, dies.
* '''[[15 October|15]]-[[16 October|16]]''' - The [[Wikipedia:Great Storm of 1987|Great Storm of 1987]], which had been "[[The Notion Club Papers#Trivia|predicted]]" by Tolkien in a curious coincidence; in ''[[The Notion Club Papers]]'' (written in [[1945]]) Tolkien mentions a great storm in 1987, which however occurs during 12 June in England.

==November==
* '''[[30 November|30]]''' - ''[[The Lost Road and Other Writings]]'' is published in the US.
==December==
* '''[[24 December|24]]''' - [[Terence Tiller]], writer of the [[The Lord of the Rings (1955 radio series)|1955 radio series of ''The Lord of the Rings]]'', dies.
==?==
* '''?''' - [[Mithril Miniatures]] is founded.
* '''?''' - ''[[The Tale of Gondolin]]'' is released.
* '''?''' - ''[[Gates of Mordor (book)]]'' is published.
* '''?''' - ''[[Lords of Middle-earth: Vol. II]]'' is published.
* '''?''' - ''[[Pirates of Pelargir]]'' is published.
* '''?''' - ''[[Woses of the Black Wood]]'' is published.
* '''?''' - ''[[Rivendell: The House of Elrond]]'' is published.
* '''?''' - ''[[Havens of Gondor]]'' is published.
* '''?''' - ''[[Ents of Fangorn]]'' is published.
* '''?''' - ''[[Dunland and the Southern Misty Mountains]]'' is published.
* '''?''' - ''[[Lost Realm of Cardolan]]'' is published.
* '''?''' - ''[[Assassins of Dol Amroth]]'' is published.
* '''?''' - ''[[Weathertop: Tower of the Wind]]'' is published.
* '''?''' - [[The 1988 J.R.R. Tolkien Calendar]] is released.
* '''?''' - [[Douglas A. Anderson]], in cooperation with [[Christopher Tolkien]], suggests to [[Houghton Mifflin]] to synchronise its [[1966]] edition of ''The Lord of the Rings'' with the more up-to-date British edition, and encourages for more potential corrections.
* '''?''' - [[The Adventures of Frodo]] is released.

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Tolkien Gateway talk:Featured quotes/Nominations

2022-05-17T21:38:36Z

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== Questions about options ==

Questions about length of quote and duration can be worked out with Hyarion when he returns from vacation. These and other question TBD.--[[User:Theoden1|Theoden1]] 12:38, 31 July 2008 (EDT)

Well, this quote got the two votes it needed. Can you list it as the new FQ?--[[User:Theoden1|Theoden1]] 16:43, 7 August 2008 (EDT)

How exactly do you vote for featured quotes? [[User:Dernhelm|Dernhelm]] 21:30, 27 August 2016 (UTC)

[[Dernhelm|Dernhelm]], I have the same question. Another question is how do we put a quote ourselves? I have a couple which I think are well, but I don't know how to add them. - [[User:I eneth nîn...|User:I eneth nîn...]]

Jon Brackenbrook

2022-04-26T17:24:32Z

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{{LOTRO character infobox
| image=[[File:Jon Brackenbrook-LOTRO-1.jpg]]
| name=Jon Brackenbrook
| othernames=
| titles=Captain of Archet
| realm=[[Archet]]
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'''Jon Brackenbrook''' was a character created specifically for [[The Lord of the Rings Online]].

Jon is a central character in the Assault on [[Archet]]. Before the assault at the Hunting Lodge he is introduced to the game as a hunter. During this time Jon plays an important role in saving Archet from destruction.
His father, [[Captain Brackenbrook]], was the Captain of Archet. He had chosen to trust [[Calder Cob]], his best soldier, over his own son to help him in the assault. However, he didn't know that Calder was a traitor, and even though Jon Brackenbook tries to convince his father that Calder was duplicitous, Captain Brackenbrook doesn't listen. During the assault, the [[Blackwolds]] attacked [[Archet]] and Jon came to the town's defense. During the attack Jon's father was slain by the hands of Calder Cob.
After the assault, Jon immediately started rebuilding the settlement of Archet. He took the position of his father, as Captain, and is in charge of rebuilding and strengthening the security of Archet.
<ref>{{VGC|SAIB}}</ref>

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Randel Helms

2022-03-18T17:24:07Z

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'''Randel McGraw Helms''' is an American Bible scholar and Professor of English.
Helms studied at [[wikipedia:University of California, Riverside|University of California]] with a B.A. in 1964, and with a Ph.D. in 1968 at [[wikipedia: University of Washington|University of Washington]]. From 1968, he then taught at the University of Washington as an assistant professor of English. This was before becoming professor at [[wikipedia:Arizona State University|Arizona State University]] in the English Department.

===Books===
* [[1974]] - ''[[Tolkien's World (by Randel Helms)|Tolkien's World]]''
* [[1981]] - ''[[Tolkien and the Silmarils]]''

===Lectures===
* [[2 November|November 2]], [[2002]]: ''J.R.R. Tolkien: The Man Behind The Lord of the Ring''
** "The Adventures of Tom Bombadil: Hobbit Poetry" (''[http://english.clas.asu.edu/video/ RealVideo]'')

==External links==
* [http://www.asu.edu/clas/asuenglish/who/helms.htm Randel Helms] at [[wikipedia:Arizona State University|Arizona State University]]
[[Category:Authors|Helms, Randel]]
[[Category:American people|Helms, Randel]]
[[Category:People by name|Helms, Randel]]
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Éogan

2022-03-17T17:30:42Z

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{{LOTRO character infobox
| image=[[File:Éogan-LOTRO-1.jpg|200px]]
| name=Éogan
| othernames=
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| realm=Ost Baranor, [[Chetwood]]
| affiliation=[[Angmar]], [[Nazgûl]]
| birth=
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| death=Ost Baranor
| deathlocation={{TA|3018}}
| race=Men
| gender=Male
| species=Angmarim
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'''Éogan''' is a character created specifically for ''[[The Lord of the Rings Online]]''. He was originally one of the Men of Angmar, the [[Angmarim]], but became the second-in-command of the [[Blackwolds]], and eventually their chieftain.

He led an attack on [[Archet]], attempting to find the treasure they were looking for from two [[Hobbits]]. He managed to slay the town's captain, [[Jon Brackenbrook|Jon Brackenbrook's]] father, but was wounded himself in the attack. He fled after he learned the two Hobbits staying in Archet weren't the ones he was looking for.<ref>{{VGC|SAIB}}</ref>
He is also responsible for a [[Goblin]] invasion in [[the Shire]].

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Talk:Forest Road

2022-03-16T21:33:24Z

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Isn't this the same as [[Old Forest Road]]? Merge? --Tik 17:16, 1 March 2008 (EST)

:I think you're right, they're one and the same. Definitely merge. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 21:36, 1 March 2008 (EST)

::I checked it on the General Map of Middle-earth, The West of Middle-earth at the End of the Third Age and the Map of Wilderland. The Forest Road is the same as the Old Forest Road. The only two instances where the name "Forest Road" is used that I could find was in Note 14 in The Disaster of the Gladden Fields in Unifinished Tales of Númenor and Middle-earth. The page Forest Road should be changed into a page that redirects to the page Old Forest Road. In addition the content on this page does not have any references. --[[User:Akhorahil|Akhorahil]] 10:22, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
:::Can this page now be turned into a redirect since I transferred information on this page to the Old Forest Road page. Can someone double check that I did not forget any information from this page to the other page? [[User:Dour1234|Dour1234]], 16 March 2022 (UTC)

:I double checked. However, I would add under section "Etymologies" the name 'Forest Road' since it has been used once in Unfinished Tales of Númenor and Middle-Earth (foot note with link included, obviously). '''I eneth nîn'''

Talk:Vinitharya

2022-03-16T20:19:56Z

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Hello. This is the talk page of ''"Vinitharya"''. I first saw this page in the ''"Merged list"'', so I wanted to merge it...

Now that I have merged it with [[Eldacar (King of Gondor)]], I wanted to delete this page because it has no more use in it. However, since I didn't know how to delete a page, I went to the ''"Help"'' section. I know how to do so now, but I wanted to make sure if I could since it said so in the description below to notify others. Now that I have, I just need your permission.

- '''I eneth nîn'''

:We do not delete a merged page, but turn it into a redirect. --[[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] 09:11, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

-Ok, thank you for letting me know. '''I eneth nîn'''

== Move to Eldacar ==
I think this talk page should move to the Eldacar talk page. [[User:Dour1234|Dour1234]], 16 March 2022 (UTC)

:I agree but only after the pages are merged properly. [[User:Shivam|Shivam]]

:No, this about the "Vinitharya" article. --[[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] 16:02, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

::I thought Vinitharya and Eldacar pages were supposed to be merged so why not their talk pages.[[User:Shivam|Shivam]]

:::Even if "Vinitharya" redirects to "Eldacar", they are two different pages. This talkpage is about the "Vinitharya" page and is unrelated to the contents of "Eldacar". --[[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] 16:34, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

Magdalen Matthews

2022-03-15T23:04:46Z

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'''Annie Magdalen Matthews Tolkien''' ([[4 January]] [[1905]] — [[1970]]) was the wife of [[Hilary Tolkien]]. They were wedded in 1928 in Evesham, Worcestershire, England. They had three children - Gabriel, Julian and Paul. She was the sister-in-law of [[J.R.R. Tolkien]].

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Talk:Vinitharya

2022-03-15T19:53:09Z

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Vinitharya

2022-03-15T19:52:17Z

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'''Vinitharya''' was the royal son of [[Valacar]] of [[Gondor]] and [[Vidumavi]], daughter of the [[King of Rhovanion]]. When he returned to [[Gondor]] with his father, he was given the name [[Eldacar (King of Gondor)|Eldacar]], a name he retained when he inherited Gondor's throne.<ref>{{App|Gondor}}, entry for king Minalcar who took the name Rómendacil (II) and entry for king Valacar</ref>

==Etymology==
It is said that the name Vinitharya had much the same meaning as Rómendacil.<ref>{{PM|Ai}}, Note on the expansion of the tale of the Kin-strife in the Second Edition, entry 19 Romendakil II</ref>

Winid-haria is a [[Gothic]] name meaning "pasture-armyman" or "[[Wikipedia:Wends|Winidas]]-armyman".

The Wends or ''Winidas'' (in [[Old English]]) were a Slavic people who dwelt inside Germanic territories. A possible analogy of the ''Winidas'' within the legendarium could be the [[Middle Men]] who belonged to [[Gondor]], a suitable reference for the [[Northmen]].

Note that it should be pronounced as Vinit-harya (as in ''plot-hole''), and '''not''' as **Viniþarya.
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Dick Plotz

2022-03-09T21:09:42Z

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'''Richard "Dick" Plotz''' (b. [[1948]]) was the founder of the [[Tolkien Society of America]]. He had received a letter from J.R.R. Tolkien (Letter 276)<ref>http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Letter_276</ref> explaining on The Tolkien Society. He personally interviewed J.R.R. Tolkien in the late 1960s under the aegis of Seventeen Magazine. He also is known for a letter (from Tolkien) specifying the declension of the noun in late Quenya (hence called "Plotz Declension")<ref>http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Letter_to_Dick_Plotz</ref>.

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User:I eneth nîn...

2022-03-01T18:19:35Z

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Hello! My name is Giovanni. I am an - I think - and I just started using Tolkien Gateway.

I really liked - like, like really like - the movies - credit to Peter Jackson - and the books - credit to J.R.R. Tolkien - the Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit.

But anyways, I also have loved J.R.R. Tolkien's passion for language. I know the basics of Sindarin (not Quenya, it never really esteemed me) and I just love his passion for languages. He is also one of the reasons why I like studying languages.

=== Books ===
I have read:
* The Hobbit
* The Lord of the Rings
* The Silmarillion (yessir)
* The Fall of Gondolin
Books I want to read:
*The of Middle-Earth Series (Volumes 1-12)

''I'm still fixing these things... ahh!''

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'''''Novaer!'''''

User:I eneth nîn...

2022-02-04T23:41:12Z

I eneth nîn...:

Hello! My name is Giovanni. I am an editor - I think - and I just started using Tolkien Gateway.

I really liked - like, like really like - the movies - credit to Peter Jackson - and the books - credit to Professor J.R.R. Tolkien - the Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit.
Well, I just finished 'The Silmarillion' right, and I am now currently reading 'The Fall of Gondolin'. Tell me, I still don't get the changing of names from 'The Silmarillion' to 'The Fall of Gondolin'. Like before, it was Ulmo, not Ylmir,or the Noldor, not the Gnomes (Noldoli).

But anyways, I also have loved J.R.R. Tolkien's passion for language. I know the basics of Sindarin (not Quenya, it never really esteemed me) and I just love his passion for languages. He is also one of the reasons why I like studying languages.
But anyways, yeah.

=== Books ===
I have read:
* The Hobbit (which I think comes first)
* The Lord of the Rings (whole trilogy)
* The Silmarillion (yessir)
* The Fall of Gondolin (currently reading)
Books I want to read:
*The History of Middle-Earth Series (Volumes 1-12)

I'm still fixing these things (because I just joined) so BE PATIENT!

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'''''Novaer!'''''

User:I eneth nîn...

2022-02-04T23:26:43Z

I eneth nîn...: Created page with "Hello! My name is Giovanni. I am an editor - I think - and I just started using Tolkien Gateway. I really liked - like, like really like - the movies - credit to Peter Jackson -..."