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<p>Lord Aragorn1414: /* "Battle of Helm's Deep" */</p> <hr /> <div>[[Image:Alan_Lee_-_The_Battle_at_Helm's_Deep.JPG|right|thumb|250px|''The Battle at Helm's Deep'' by [[Alan Lee]].]]<br /> The '''Battle of the Hornburg''' is also referred to as the '''Battle of Helm's Deep'''. The battle pitted the forces of [[Saruman]] against the warriors of [[Rohan]] under King [[Théoden]], who had taken refuge in the mountain fortress of [[Helm's Deep]].<br /> <br /> {{quote|[[Sauron]] will use his puppet, Saruman, to destroy the people of Rohan.|[[Galadriel]]}}<br /> <br /> The forces of Saruman, [[Orcs]] and [[Uruk-hai]] together with human [[Dunlendings]], arrived at the valley of [[Helm's Deep]] in the middle of the night. They quickly scaled over the first defense, [[Helm's Dike]], and attempted to break down the fortress's gate with a battering ram. But [[Aragorn]], [[Éomer]], and some other Rohirrim attacked, scattering the forces threatening the doors.<br /> <br /> The Orcs and Dunlendings then raised hundreds of ladders to scale the wall. Aragorn and Éomer had to repeatedly move the defenders, who were getting weary, to repel the Orcs coming up the ladders and crossing the wall. However, some Orcs had crept in though a culvert which let a stream out of Helm's Deep, and while the defenders were busy with the assault on the wall, they suddenly attacked, having made it past the wall. The defenders quickly reacted and drove back the Orcs, and the culvert was blocked up under supervision by [[Gimli]].<br /> <br /> However, the enemies reentered the culvert and caused an explosion using a device of Saruman's. This made a wide hole in the wall, and Saruman's forces could not be stopped. The defenders retreated to the [[Glittering Caves]] and to the Deep. Soon Saruman's forces used their blasting fire to gain entrance to the Deep. At this moment, however, the horn of Helm's Deep was sounded, and after a moment a sortie led by Théoden and Aragorn rode forth, followed by men on foot. Théoden and Aragorn cut through the Orcs and Dunlendings and arrived at Helm's Dike.<br /> <br /> Both armies then noticed that many trees, [[Huorns]], had moved to block a possible escape route for the Orcs. Then [[Gandalf]], [[Erkenbrand]], and a thousand riders arrived, and charged. The Dunlendings were so terrified of Gandalf that they could no longer fight. The Orcs lost control and ran into the trees, where the Huorns destroyed them. Thus, Rohan won the battle. <br /> <br /> After the battle those Dunlendings who surrendered were given amnesty by King Théoden and allowed to return to home. The Rohirrim required that all hostilities cease, and that the Dunlendings retreat behind the [[Isen]] river again. The slain Dunlendings were buried in a mound of their own apart from the Orc carcasses.<br /> <br /> =="Battle of Helm's Deep"==<br /> {{quote|It is an army ten-thousand strong at least.|[[Aragorn II|Aragorn]]}}<br /> <br /> The Battle of the Hornburg is a key part of a movie based on the book, ''[[Peter Jackson's The Two Towers|The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers]]''. The amount of time spent around the battle in the movie was much more than in the original book. In the context of the film, it is referred to as the ''Battle of Helm's Deep'', a title which was never used by Tolkien but which is often used by fans, probably because it occupies a chapter entitled "Helm's Deep". <br /> <br /> One major difference in the film is that [[Elrond]], at the prompting of [[Galadriel]], sends a contingent of [[Elves|Elven]] archers to reinforce the defence of the keep. A similar event takes place in the novel, in which [[Elrond]] and [[Galadriel]] send a company of Aragorn's fellow Rangers, accompanied by Elrond's sons, [[Elladan]] and [[Elrohir]], bringing the gift of a banner and the advice to take the [[Paths of the Dead]]. In the book, however, this takes place after the Battle of the Hornburg.<br /> <br /> In the movie, the thousands of troops of Saruman laid siege to the fortress which was defended by around 300 men (many of whom were too young or too old to fight) which the Rohirrim could muster and the aforementioned Elven Archers. When Legolas says there are "300" Rohirrim there he may have meant ''at that time'' as more were fleeing to the fortress, because visually there are more than 300 Rohirrim appearing on screen in the battle. These forces suffered heavy losses, but held out till dawn when Gandalf arrived with thousands of Rohirrim riders who finally turned the tide of the battle and sent Saruman's forces into retreat.<br /> <br /> Properly speaking, the fortress is the Hornburg and Helm's Deep is the ravine behind it. In one of his letters regarding a proposed film adaptation, Tolkien protested the use of ''Helm's Deep'', stating that, "the 'defence of the Hornburg'...would be a better title, since Helm's Deep, the ravine behind, is not shown" (''[[The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien|Letters]]'', 210). On the significance of the Battle, he also comments that "If both the [[Ents]] and the Hornburg cannot be treated at sufficient length to make sense, then one should go. It should be the Hornburg, which is incidental to the main story".<br /> <br /> {{wotr}}<br /> <br /> [[Category:Battles|Hornburg]]</div>

Lord Aragorn1414 https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Saruman&diff=31117 Saruman 2006-08-30T02:22:26Z

<p>Lord Aragorn1414: </p> <hr /> <div>{{quote|Saruman no longer cares for living things. He has a mind of metal, and wheels.|[[Treebeard]]}}<br /> [[Image:John Howe - Saruman.jpg|thumb|250px|''Saruman'' by [[John Howe]]]]<br /> <br /> '''Saruman the White''' ([[Third Age]] c. 1000 – 3019, existed in [[Middle-earth]] for 2019 years) was the first of the order of [[Wizards]] (or [[Istari]]) who came to Middle-earth as Emissaries of the [[Valar]] in the Third Age. He was the leader of the [[White Council]]. In [[Sindarin]] his name was '''Curunír''', which meant "Man of Skill".<br /> <br /> == Characteristics ==<br /> [[Image:WAR-ICONS Saruman.jpg|right|150px]]<br /> In appearance, Saruman was as an old man with black hair. At the end of the Third Age, his hair and beard had turned mostly white — he had only black hairs about his lips and ears. He was tall, his face was long, and his eyes were deep and dark. He would appear in a white cloak, a habit he later changed into a cloak that changed colours as he moved.<br /> <br /> He was not actually a [[Men|Man]], or even an [[Elves|Elf]] (as Men often suspected), but a [[Maiar|Maia]] clothed in flesh — an [[Istari|Istar]] ((see ''Origins'' below). As such, he was immortal and extremely powerful, yet had limits on how far these powers could be used. His two most salient powers were his knowledge and his voice.<br /> <br /> Knowledge of the "deep arts" (or magic, such as it is in Middle-earth) was of particular interest to him, especially when relating to power&mdash;such as the [[Rings of Power]] and the far seeing ''[[palantíri]]''. He was also deeply learned in ancient lore regarding powerful kingdoms such as [[Númenor]], [[Gondor]], and [[Moria]].<br /> <br /> His voice and speech were extremely convincing, more powerful than mere rhetoric. When he focused this power on a person or a group of people, he could sway their hearts, plant fears and sow lies as he pleased. According to the stature of the listener, this spell could last as long as the speech did, or it could take root in them and last forever.<br /> <br /> Other powers include knowledge of machinery and chemistry, probably separable from explicit magic (for instance, the "blasting fire" employed by his [[Uruk-hai]] army in the battle of [[Helm's Deep]], was probably some kind of explosive). Machinery and engines characterized both his fortified [[Isengard]] and his altered [[Shire]]. In this, he probably sought to emulate [[Sauron]].<br /> <br /> His science also extended to biological areas. He is believed to have crossbred Men and Orcs, creating a new race of Orcs unafraid of daylight, the Uruk-hai. His human spies in [[Bree]] were said to have Orc blood. He also employed birds in his service, although this might also be attributed to [[Radagast]] the Brown, ordering them to report to [[Orthanc]], Saruman's stronghold.<br /> <br /> Being regarded as more powerful than [[Gandalf]] (at least before Gandalf's "rebirth"), it's fair to assume he would also wield explicit magic similar to Gandalf, such as artificial light, locking spells, creating fire, etc.<br /> <br /> Saruman resembled Gandalf not only in appearance, but originally also somewhat in character, but unlike Gandalf, Saruman was proud. He saw himself as the most powerful of the Istari, expressing clear contempt for Radagast the Brown. Saruman was no fool; he realized Gandalf's power, and eventually came to see him as an equal, and later as a superior, much to his distress. He became jealous of Gandalf, eventually convincing himself that Gandalf was scheming against him, which justified his own scheming against Gandalf and the rest of the White Council.<br /> <br /> Saruman likely was true to his mission in the beginning, and actually believed in working to stop Sauron, but his pride and later arrogance (as well as his jealousy towards the Grey Wanderer) turned him into a traitor to the cause he had once served. Saruman's betrayal was not sudden, but slowly grew over time, until at last he had convinced himself that he could not have taken any other path, and that it was too late now to repent. This false belief kept him from taking his last chance at redemption, and because he must have realized this he only became more bitter, blaming Gandalf more than anyone else for his own downfall. In fact he only had himself to blame, but he refused to believe this.<br /> <br /> The name given to him by Men, ''Saruman'', is in the [[Westron]] language. In Tolkien's works, this language is (almost) never shown directly, but translated into English and Anglo-Saxon forms. In this case, Tolkien used the Anglo-Saxon root word ''searu'' which means "skill" or "cunning". As a scholar, Tolkien would also have been well aware of the name of a similarly-named historic 'head of his order', Jaruman. The real Westron version of his name remains unknown. <br /> <br /> His name among the Elves was ''Curunír'' and was often followed by ''Lán'', which means "white". In Valinor, his name was ''Curumo'', which is the [[Quenya]] translation of the same name.<br /> <br /> == Origins ==<br /> In [[Valinor]], the land of the god-like Valar in the West, a council was called by [[Manwë]]. This was likely shortly after the defeat of Sauron by the [[Last Alliance of Elves and Men|Last Alliance]]. It was decided to send five [[Wizards|emissaries]] to Middle Earth. These should be "mighty, peers of Sauron, yet forgo might, and clothe themselves in flesh" — Istari, or Wizards.<br /> <br /> One of those who went was '''''[[Curumo]]''''' (later in [[Sindarin]] ''[[Curunír]]'', or in [[Westron]] ''Saruman''), a powerful Maia of [[Aulë]] (just as Sauron was). Maiar were angelic creatures of the same people as the Valar, only of lower order. Together, they were the [[Ainur]], and existed before the [[Arda]], the world, was created.<br /> <br /> Saruman was one of those who volunteered, whereas the last one, ''[[Olórin]]'', (later Gandalf) was commanded by Manwë to go. Saruman's jealousy of Gandalf began even here, when [[Varda]] said of Gandalf, who went as the third Istar that he was "not the third". Saruman was charged to take Radagast with him, which he did not wish to do and which led to contempt for the latter Wizard.<br /> <br /> == History ==<br /> <br /> ===Arrival in Middle-earth===<br /> <br /> According to most tales, Saruman arrived alone in a ship at [[Mithlond]] (the [[Grey Havens]]) in the west of [[Eriador]] around the year 1000 of the [[Third Age]], and only [[Círdan]] knew his identity and his origin. There are two short stories known that tell a bit different story. The first tells ''that [[Curumo]] (Saruman) took [[Aiwendil]] ([[Radagast]]) because [[Yavanna]] begged him'', and the second states: ''"Curumo was obliged to take Aiwendil to please Yavanna wife of [[Aulë]],"'' (''[[Unfinished Tales]]'', Part Four, II: [[The Istari]]).<br /> <br /> He went into the East of Middle-earth, as did the two [[Blue Wizards]]. After one and a half millennia he returned to the West, just as Sauron's power was growing again in [[Dol Guldur]].<br /> <br /> When the [[White Council]] was formed around the year 2463 of the Third Age, Saruman was appointed its leader. Even then, he had begun to sense the resurgence of Sauron and to envy and desire his power, and especially his [[One Ring]]. Coincidentally, in that same year the One Ring was found by the creature [[Gollum]], drawing the [[Dark Lord]] closer to the conflict that would eventually prove Saruman's undoing.<br /> <br /> ===Chief of the White Council===<br /> <br /> In [[2759 TA]], [[Beren, Steward of Gondor]], granted Saruman permission to make the Tower of Orthanc in the ring of [[Isengard]] his abode. There he became important in the defence of the free lands of the West. In Orthanc he came upon a palantír, one of the seven seeing stones, but kept it secret and hidden, particularly from the White Council. He would later betray the Council by concealing his use of it.<br /> <br /> In [[2850 TA]] Gandalf entered [[Dol Guldur]] and confirmed that the evil presence there was indeed Sauron returned. By Saruman's advice, the White Council decided against attacking Dol Guldur. At this council-meeting Gandalf (for the first time) revealed that he suspected that Saruman desired to possess the One Ring.<br /> <br /> Saruman's real strategy behind forestalling the Council's attempt at Dol Guldur focused on permitting Sauron to continue building up his strength, so that the One Ring would reveal itself. At that point Saruman hoped to have sufficient strength to seize it first himself. He soon found that Sauron had more knowledge of the possible location of the One Ring than he expected, and in 2941 TA he finally consented to an attack against Sauron at Dol Guldur (at which point Sauron retreats to Mordor and the Battle of the Five Armies takes place).<br /> <br /> Either at this time or shortly before Saruman's studies of ring-lore paid off, and he seems to have emulated part of the skill of the [[Noldor]] of [[Eregion]] and created his own Ring. He probably used this to enhance his skills, and became an even greater enchanter with the power of his voice. It however seems unlikely that his Ring was as powerful as one of the Three Rings of the Elves, let alone the One Ring.<br /> <br /> Sauron abandoned Dol Guldur, arose again, and took up his reign in [[Mordor]], declaring himself openly. In Mordor, he established contact with Saruman through the palantír captured from [[Minas Ithil]] (later [[Minas Morgul]]). Through his jealousy towards Gandalf and his ever-growing pride and arrogance, and through the use of the palantír, wrestling in thought with the Enemy, Saruman became a servant of Sauron's will (although unintentionally, as his hopes were to gain the One Ring for himself).<br /> <br /> ===War of the Ring===<br /> <br /> At about this time, in an attempt to control Rohan, Saruman bought the allegiance of King [[Théoden]]'s chief advisor, [[Gríma Wormtongue]], who then counselled the ailing king to do nothing about the steady resurgence of Sauron's armies. Saruman and Wormtongue's treachery would have crippled Rohan's military might, had not Gandalf interfered a year later and revealed to Théoden his right-hand man's true designs, healing the old king and revitalizing his political and military rule. <br /> <br /> Saruman did not reveal his true intentions until Gandalf presented him with the discovery and location of the One Ring. He then stood forth as '''Saruman of Many Colours''', and when Gandalf refused to join with him, he held him captive in Isengard. Gandalf later escaped, and so Saruman's treachery became known to the rest of the White Council when Gandalf reported on it during the Council of [[Elrond]], where Gandalf also reported on Saruman's ring.<br /> <br /> At this point Saruman also betrayed his new master Sauron by lying to the [[Nazgûl]], who were now searching for [[Bilbo Baggins|Baggins]], who had found the One Ring years before, and the Shire, his home. He pretended to know nothing, but the Nazgûl later captured one of his Shire spies (the Orc-like man in the Inn known as [[The Prancing Pony]]). Believing that he would find no pity from either quarter (a false assumption, as he was later offered pardon by Gandalf), Saruman now put all efforts into obtaining the One Ring for himself.<br /> <br /> Not all of these efforts ever became clear, but they included sending spies to waylay [[Frodo Baggins]] on his flight from the Shire, attacking [[Rohan]] outright (he had been satisfied by weakening it through infiltration up until then, and through endeavouring to destroy Théodred, Théoden's heir) and dispatching raiding parties on likely routes a company of the Ring might take to Gondor (one of these parties captured [[Peregrin Took]] and [[Meriadoc Brandybuck]]). Gandalf also suspected Saruman had found (and destroyed) the remains of [[Isildur]], who had worn the Ring before it had been lost.<br /> <br /> Saruman's Shire network failed to capture Frodo Baggins, Gandalf rallied Rohan to victory, [[Éomer]] stopped his only partially successful raiding party, and control of Isengard was lost to the [[Ents]]. Aware he was utterly defeated, Saruman briefly considered repenting for his deeds, but at the last moment could not go through with it. He must have still had some hope he could somehow escape, and even that infinitely small chance was better than his certain humiliation at the hands of those he had tried to destroy. Saruman still made a final attempt to woo Théoden and Gandalf to his cause but failed: his staff was broken and he was dismissed from the order of the Istari.<br /> <br /> It must have been during Gandalf's captivity in Orthanc that Saruman began to build his army of Orcs, [[Dunlendings]], and Uruk-hai, since Gandalf came to an as yet undestroyed Isengard. One can speculate that if matters had developed a little more slowly, his puppet Wormtongue would have gained full control over Rohan, and the [[Rohirrim]] would have been enslaved or destroyed.<br /> <br /> Saruman's plans likely failed because he, like Sauron, was forced to reveal his hand early by Gandalf's subsequent escape, and therefore he had little time to perfect his plans. As Saruman considered himself "unfallen", he honestly believed he had a chance of converting Gandalf to his side, and felt honestly betrayed by Gandalf when he was refused. The failure to capture the Ring at Emyn Arnen further ruined Saruman's plans, as he was revealed as a traitor to Mordor now as well.<br /> <br /> Left out of the final stages of the War of the Ring, he eventually managed to convince his captors, the Ents, into letting him leave Isengard, proving that the magic of his voice still remained. He then went to the Shire, which his agent [[Lotho Sackville-Baggins]] (undisturbed by events elsewhere) had brought under control. Spending his final days as a small-time thug lord in [[Hobbiton]] known as '''''Sharkey''''', he was eventually betrayed and killed by his own servant Wormtongue on November 3, [[Third Age|T.A.]] 3019, when even this operation fell apart after Frodo and [[Samwise Gamgee]] returned.<br /> <br /> Saruman, as a Maia, did not truly die, but his spirit lost its shape (much like Sauron's after the [[Akallabêth|Downfall of Númenor]] and after his defeat by the [[Last Alliance of Elves and Men|Last Alliance]]). As a discorporated spirit, he should have been called to [[Mandos]], but the tale implies that he was barred from returning. We may speculate that his spirit was left naked, powerless and wandering in Middle-earth (perhaps like Sauron's after the One Ring was destroyed).<br /> <br /> == Politics ==<br /> <br /> === Men ===<br /> Tolkien writes of Saruman that "he went mostly among men". He always sought power, and in the Third Age the greatest power lay in the hands of the kingdoms of Men.<br /> <br /> No records speak of his earliest journeys into the east of Middle-earth, but when he returned, he actually became for a while a servant of Gondor, receiving the keys to Orthanc from [[Beren Erchamion|Beren]] ([[Steward of Gondor]]), as its warden.<br /> <br /> Saruman later claimed Orthanc for his own, without any formal declaration (or real objection from a weakened Gondor). Still, he nominally remained an ally of Gondor and of Rohan. Throughout this time he also made long studies of scrolls and books in Minas Tirith. <br /> <br /> When he turned to treachery, Saruman still employed men in his schemes, mainly from [[Dunland]], but also selected agents from other lands (such as Wormtongue.) Saruman was a master of deceit, and could easily turn old grudges into fuel for new hatred.<br /> <br /> The Dunlendings found employment in his armies, and it also seems probable that he used some of these men in his crossbreeding programme to create Half-Orcs. The Dunlendings were enticed with the old stories that they had once lived in the plains of Rohan before the ''Strawheads'' had come from the north, and that their leader [[Freca]], a man with claims to the throne of Rohan, had been killed by [[Helm Hammerhand]].<br /> <br /> Gríma Wormtongue played a vital role in Saruman's plans: a counsellor of the ageing king Théoden, he secretly desired the king's niece, [[Éowyn]], but she was repulsed by him and scorned his advances. It is not clear if Wormtongue approached Saruman or vice versa, but it is certain that with Saruman's council Gríma began to weaken the king, estranging him from his other councilors and even his own kin, until Gríma had in effect become the leader of Rohan.<br /> <br /> === Elves === <br /> Saruman was once on good terms with the Elves, and was voted in as the leader of the White Council, a group of Elves and Istari united against Sauron. <br /> <br /> However, Saruman knew that Gandalf had been given the third Elvish ring [[Narya]] by [[Círdan]] the Shipwright. This nurtured his jealousy of Gandalf and his resentment towards the Elves. <br /> <br /> The Elves also declined during the period of Saruman's activity in the west of Middle-earth. Their lands were few and secretive, and although they wielded in some senses marvellous power, they were not in the habit of projecting it in the manner Saruman found useful or interesting. Also, they succumbed less easily than other races to manipulation. <br /> <br /> Even though his stronghold of Isengard lay very close to the Elven Kingdom of [[Lothlórien]], Saruman had very little or no contact with it. Indeed, after his treachery and ruin, Saruman stated clearly that he had never trusted [[Galadriel]] and that he suspected her of scheming for Gandalf at his expense. <br /> <br /> In summary, Saruman had little use for, or interest in, the Elves.<br /> <br /> === Istari/[[Wizards]] ===<br /> Saruman grudgingly brought with him Radagast as a companion from Valinor, at the request of [[Yavanna]], yet still managed to arrive alone, and first. Shortly after, he went into the East with the two Blue Wizards ([[Alatar]] and [[Pallando]]), and later returned alone. The Ithryn Luin (as the Elves called them) went with Saruman into the East, and there may have wrought many great works to diminish the influence of the Enemy. Of their fate little is known.<br /> <br /> Radagast, even though Saruman scorned him (when he tried to convert Gandalf to his cause), served Saruman very usefully (and wholly unintentionally). Not only in the sense explained to Gandalf, "he had just the wit to play the part I set him"&mdash;that of persuading Gandalf to come to Isengard, but also because Radagast, at the request of Saruman (and Gandalf), sent birds to Saruman at Orthanc and to Gandalf to report the different happenings in Middle-earth (in this way Saruman gained valuable insight and Gandalf was able to escape from the pinnacle of Orthanc). Radagast, honest and noble, true to his mission as set by Yavanna, played a very valuable role in the fight against Sauron through the use of the birds and beasts of Middle-earth (i.e. the aid of the Eagles).<br /> <br /> Saruman had always been jealous of Gandalf, and suspected him of keeping secrets from him&mdash;not unfounded suspicions, since Gandalf did indeed keep his knowledge (or early on, suspicion) about [[One Ring|Bilbo's Ring]] hidden. Gandalf also kept his own ring (the third of the Elvish rings) Narya secret.<br /> <br /> Gandalf also suspected Saruman of plotting to gain the One Ring for himself, and hinted at this in a powerful scene at a meeting of the White Council. Gandalf blew nine small smoke rings and one great one that wavered a bit, seeming almost palpable, and yet blew away, symbolizing (almost prophetic of) Saruman's failure in achieving the One for himself. <br /> <br /> In general, Saruman must have viewed Gandalf as his only peer, and as such to be feared and treated with (although not necessarily shown) respect. He always kept a watchful eye open for Gandalf's doings, and actually picked up the habit of smoking pipe-weed by sending out spies tailing Gandalf to the Shire. <br /> <br /> When matters came to a head, Saruman sought to make Gandalf an ally in his plans. This was probably not just out of practical politics, but also of respect and a sense of companionship and shared destiny. And possibly out of hope, being daunted by the proposition of becoming Sauron's servant alone. <br /> <br /> Nevertheless, Saruman exercised more power than Gandalf, even with the ring Narya, as became clear when he placed Gandalf under arrest at the pinnacle of Orthanc. The text does not make it clear whether Saruman lost power or whether Gandalf gained power, but when Gandalf returned as "Gandalf the White", he could summon Saruman at his will, forcibly keep him in his presence, and finally break Saruman's staff (with whatever implications that might have had for Saruman's powers). <br /> <br /> Saruman several times came very close to setting aside his pride and to asking Gandalf for pity and help. The closest call came when the [[Ringwraiths]] (on their way to the Shire) arrived at Isengard while Gandalf still remained in captivity there. Saruman, realizing his predicament, actually went to seek Gandalf's pardon, only to find his erstwhile captive missing from the top of Orthanc.<br /> <br /> === Orcs ===<br /> Saruman probably drew his original strength of Orcs from tribes in the [[Misty Mountains]], and perhaps from Moria Orcs. He made use of [[Warg]]-mounted Orcs of the same kind that Bilbo and the dwarves fled from after they had been captured at the [[High Pass]] near [[Rivendell]]. <br /> <br /> He also bred Orcs in Isengard, eventually creating crossbreeds of Orcs and Men (probably [[Dunland|Dunlendings]]), the [[Uruk-hai]]. This programme apparently also involved feeding these Orcs Man-flesh. <br /> <br /> His Uruk-hai army displayed great discipline and fierce loyalty, in addition to the other improvements such as height, strength, endurance and resistance to sunlight. There also appears to have been middle stages between Men and the Uruk-hai, Men with varying degrees of Orkish appearance. These were reported by Pippin and Merry to have been part of Saruman's regular army, but were not Uruk-hai, since the hobbits would have recognized these from their earlier capture. <br /> <br /> Saruman's servants called him "Sharkey" both in Isengard and later in The Shire. This was probably an adaptation of the [[Black Speech]] word ''sharku'' which meant "old man". Saruman was not aware of this meaning (which is remarkable, since Gandalf knew this language). Perhaps he took it as a distortion of his own name by the Orcs. This indicates that the Orcs took their leader less seriously than they might have given him the impression of (similar to how the Mordor Orcs overheard by Sam and Frodo tended to disrespect their authorities).<br /> <br /> === Ents/Trees ===<br /> Saruman made contact with the Ents in [[Fangorn Forest]] shortly after he settled in [[Isengard]]. The oldest of the Ents, [[Treebeard]] received him and gave him free access to the forest.<br /> <br /> Saruman also consulted with Treebeard, learning much old lore that the Ents would have remembered from ancient times. Saruman did not return this favour, but only listened. <br /> <br /> The Ents saw Saruman's treachery early, and became very concerned, primarily with Saruman's Orcs felling trees on the edge of Fangorn for use in the furnaces of Isengard&mdash;or sometimes for no reason at all. <br /> <br /> The Ents also appear to have had a sense of order, how things should be, that Saruman encroached upon. The crossbreeding of Men and Orcs particularly alarmed them, out of proportion to other concerns enemies of Saruman might have had. Also alarming was the pure fact of his treachery — the Istari were supposed to have a special responsibility. <br /> <br /> Saruman used the Ents and the Fangorn forest without concern for the consequences. He clearly misjudged the Ents' abilities and will to act. This might not have been as incautious as it seemed, since major contributing factors to the Ent's actions were advice and requests from Gandalf, and concern about the rising power of Sauron (and their wish to support the front-line troops of the war, Rohan and Gondor). <br /> <br /> Saruman clearly had the ability to understand the minds of the Ents when he found it useful. He managed to talk Treebeard into setting him free from Orthanc by pushing just the right buttons — Ents dislike the concept of caging up any creature.<br /> <br /> === Hobbits ===<br /> The race of [[Hobbits]] and their lands seemed too insignificant to interest Saruman: until he took notice of Gandalf's special concern for them. <br /> <br /> His secret interest in Gandalf's doings made him focus gradually more and more on the Hobbits and The Shire. For a period he actually travelled there in secret, mapping out the lands. Gandalf was aware of this, but at this point only amused.<br /> <br /> He began smoking pipe-weed (a habit of the Hobbits that Gandalf had picked up), also in secret. His demand for tobacco opened up trading between The Shire and Isengard, and the power his money could wield there and the corruption it could cause began to fascinate him. Some of his agents went in secret, and some were known to Gandalf and the [[Rangers]] (who accepted them, but were suspicious).<br /> <br /> His anger towards the Hobbits may possibly stem from the attention Gandalf showed them (and not himself, or his projects). It certainly strengthened immensely when he discovered that the Hobbits (to his mind) had conspired with Gandalf to keep the [[One Ring]] from him.<br /> <br /> This, and the sudden urgency caused by the [[Ringwraiths]]' hunt for the Ring-bearer from The Shire to Rivendell, made him increase his activity in the area, leading to a build-up of power that would by the closing of the [[War of the Ring]] lead to virtual conquest of The Shire. <br /> <br /> He might also later have blamed the ruin of Isengard at the hands (or branches, really) of the Ents on [[Peregrin Took]] and [[Meriadoc Brandybuck]], who clearly catalysed events. <br /> <br /> This all came together after Sauron's fall, when Saruman escaped from the Ents and retired to The Shire and his thug regime in place there. It appears he immediately switched the focus of this operation to wanton destruction: pollution, murder, fire, chopping down trees for no reason. He may have felt this would also allow him to deal a last blow to Gandalf.<br /> <br /> At his final utter defeat by a Hobbit uprising, his life was spared even when he tried to assassinate [[Frodo Baggins]]. At this moment he actually conceded respect to Frodo, but it was (literally) short-lived.<br /> <br /> === Valar/Maiar === <br /> Saruman was supposedly eager to go to Middle-earth, against Manwë's counsel. After his 'death' he was apparently barred from returning to Valinor, and therefore was denied reincarnation and condemned to waft away and disappear like so much smoke. Sauron, in origin a Maia of Aulë like Saruman, amazed and frightened him. During the height of his arrogance Saruman thought to supplant Sauron as the Dark Lord, but in the end he found himself meddling with a spirit of far greater power than himself.<br /> <br /> === Animals ===<br /> Saruman had control over many birds, probably through Radagast. These spied for him and brought him news. In addition, the Orcs Saruman took in his armies had amongst them [[Wargs]], a sort of intelligent demon-wolf.<br /> <br /> == Portrayal in Adaptations ==<br /> [[Image:Saruman with Palantir from Peter Jackson's The Lord of the Rings.jpg|thumb|[[Christopher Lee]] as Saruman in [[Peter Jackson's The Lord of the Rings]]]]<br /> [[Image:Saruman from Ralph Bakshi's The Lord of the Rings.jpg|thumb|left|Saruman from [[Ralph Bakshi's The Lord of the Rings]]]]<br /> In [[Ralph Bakshi]]'s 1978 animated film of ''[[Ralph Bakshi's The Lord of the Rings|The Lord of the Rings]]'', Fraser Kerr provided the voice of Saruman. At one point in that film's development, film executives thought that the names "Saruman" and "Sauron" were too similar, and would confuse the audience, and decided that Saruman should be renamed "Aruman". This decision was eventually reversed, but some references to "Aruman" remained in the finished film.<br /> <br /> Peter Howell played Saruman in BBC Radio's 1981 serialisation of ''[[The Lord of the Rings (1981 radio series)|The Lord of the Rings]]''. In [[Peter Jackson's The Lord of the Rings]], Saruman was played by [[Christopher Lee]]. The film did not depict Saruman's adoption of the title "Saruman of Many Colours". The film also did not include the [[Scouring of the Shire]], but depicted Saruman being killed by Gríma Wormtongue in Isengard, after his encounter with Gandalf and Théoden. In the film, Gríma stabs Saruman in the back, causing him to fall on a spiked wheel below the tower of Orthanc.<br /> <br /> == See Also ==<br /> * [[:Category:Images of Saruman|Images of Saruman]]<br /> <br /> {{istari}}<br /> <br /> [[Category:Isengard and Saruman]]</div>

Lord Aragorn1414 https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Dwarves&diff=31116 Dwarves 2006-08-30T02:17:46Z

<p>Lord Aragorn1414: </p> <hr /> <div>{{quote|And who will you turn to? The dwarves? They hide in their halls of stone, seeking riches. They care not for the affairs of others.|[[Elrond]]}}<br /> [[Image:WAR-ICONS Dwarves.jpg|left|150px]]The '''Dwarves''', or '''''[[Khazâd]]''''', were beings of short stature, often friendly with [[Hobbits]] although long suspicious of [[Elves]]. They were typically blacksmiths and stoneworkers by profession, unrivaled in some of their arts even by the Elves.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> ==History==<br /> ''Main Article: [[History of the Dwarves]]''<br /> <br /> Unlike Elves and [[Men]], the Dwarves are not counted among the Children of [[Ilúvatar]]. They were created by [[Aulë]] the Smith. They were kept asleep until the creation of the Elves. Aulë created the Seven [[Fathers of the Dwarves]], from whom all other Dwarves are descended. Aulë's work was doomed, though, because he did not have the power to grant independent life to his creations - that power belonged to Ilúvatar alone. Aulë later repented and confessed to Ilúvatar. When the Dwarves were completed, though, the voice of Ilúvatar spoke to Aulë and agreed to grant them true life, and include them in His plan for Arda. Ilúvatar granted the Dwarves life, and therefore they are known as the Adopted Children of Ilúvatar.<br /> <br /> They mined and worked precious metals throughout the mountains of Middle-earth. In many ways, they were in between the Elves and [[Men]]. They were not immortal, but lived to two hundred and fifty years or more. They were generally less corruptible than Men, but committed their share of rash and greedy acts. (Among these are the slaying of Elu [[Thingol]] and the dispute over the [[Nauglamír]], which first brought suspicion and hate between Elves and Dwarves)<br /> <br /> The Dwarven language was created by Aulë, and was known as [[Khuzdul]]. It was a strange language to Elves and Men, and few non-Dwarves learned it, also because they kept it secret. However, one Dwarven phrase is well known: the ancient battle cry, going back to at least the First Age: "''Baruk Khazâd! Khazâd ai-mênu!''", which means "Axes of the Dwarves! The Dwarves are upon you!"<br /> <br /> The Dwarves were known for their strength and endurance in battle, as well as their fury, especially when revenging their kin. They fought in many wars and battles over the ages of Middle-earth's existance, among which were:<br /> <br /> * The [[First Battle of Beleriand]].<br /> * The [[Battle of Unnumbered Tears]].<br /> * The [[Sack of Doriath]].<br /> * The [[War of the Last Alliance]]. <br /> * The [[War of the Dwarves and Orcs]].<br /> * The [[Battle of Five Armies]].<br /> * The [[War of the Ring]].<br /> <br /> ==Clans of the Dwarves==<br /> <br /> Most Dwarves mentioned in Tolkien's works are of [[Durin's folk]], the clan founded by [[Durin I]] of [[Khazad-dûm]], called the Longbeards. (A notable exception are the inhabitants of the dwarf-cities of [[Nogrod]] and [[Belegost]] in the [[Ered Luin|Blue Mountains]], spoken of in ''[[The Silmarillion]]''). The seven different groups of Dwarf-folk originated in the locations where the Seven Fathers of the Dwarves first awoke before the First Age. There were three pairs of Dwarf Fathers that awoke together, and their Folk would build their halls near each other, though Durin himself had awoken alone. (In his letters, Tolkien adds that all the Dwarf Fathers except for Durin also had wives who awoke with them). Therefore the halls of the Longbeards at Khazad-dûm were not located near the halls of another Dwarf-kingdom. The seven clans of the Dwarves were:<br /> <br /> * [[Longbeards]], Durin's Folk, originally from Khazad-dûm.<br /> * [[Firebeards]], originally from Nogrod. Paired with the<br /> * [[Broadbeams]], originally from Belegost.<br /> * [[Ironfists]], originated somewhere far in the East. Located paired with the<br /> * [[Stiffbeards]]. <br /> * [[Blacklocks]], originated somewhere far in the East. Located paired with the<br /> * [[Stonefoots]].<br /> <br /> There was also an eigth group of Dwarves that was not a separate member from these seven kindreds, but composed of exiles from each: the [[Petty-dwarves]], who were hunted like animals to the point of extinction by the [[Elves]] in the First Age. <br /> <br /> ==Dwarf-characters in [[The Lord of the Rings]] and [[the Hobbit]]==<br /> <br /> [[Thorin Oakenshield]] brought twelve Dwarves to [[Bag End]] to recruit [[Bilbo Baggins|Bilbo]] for their treasure hunt in ''[[The Hobbit]]''. The Twelve Dwarves were:<br /> <br /> *[[Dori]].<br /> *[[Nori]].<br /> *[[Ori]].<br /> *[[Bifur]].<br /> *[[Bofur]].<br /> *[[Bombur]].<br /> *[[Oin]].<br /> *[[Glóin]].<br /> *[[Balin]].<br /> *[[Dwalin]].<br /> *[[Fili]].<br /> *[[Kili]].<br /> <br /> [[Dain II Ironfoot]], lead five-hundred heavily armed Dwarves, to the Lonely Mountain to aid Thorin Oakenshield, and ended up particapating in the Battle of Five Armies.<br /> <br /> [[Gimli]] son of Glóin joined the [[Fellowship of the Ring]] and befriended [[Legolas of Mirkwood]] in ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]''.<br /> <br /> ==Names==<br /> <br /> The Dwarves called themselves the ''[[Khazâd]]'', the name Aulë gave them; this translates as the ''Hadhodrim'' in [[Sindarin]], and the ''Casari'' in [[Quenya]]. Casari was the common word for Dwarves among the [[Noldor]], but the [[Sindar]] usually called them the ''Naugrim'' or ''Nogothrim'', the Stunted People.<br /> <br /> Almost all the names of the dwarves of Middle-earth are taken from the Icelandic saga of Völuspá.<br /> <br /> According to Tolkien, the "real 'historical'" plural of ''dwarf'' is ''dwarrows'' or ''dwerrows''. He once referred to ''dwarves'' as "a piece of private bad grammar" (''[[The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien|Letters]]'', 17), but in Appendix F to ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'' he explains that if we still spoke of ''dwarves'' regularly, English might have retained a special plural for the word ''dwarf'' as with ''man''. The form ''dwarrow'' only appears in the word ''Dwarrowdelf'', a name for [[Moria]]. Tolkien used ''Dwarves'', instead, which corresponds with ''Elf'' and ''Elves'', making its meaning more apparent. The use of a different term also serves to set Tolkien's Dwarves apart from the similarly-named creatures in mythology and fairy-tales.<br /> <br /> The enduring popularity of Tolkien's books, especially ''[[The Hobbit]]'' and ''[[The Lord of the Rings]],'' has led to the popular use of the term ''dwarves'' to describe this race in fantasy literature. Before Tolkien, the term ''dwarfs'' (with a different spelling) was used, as seen in ''Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs''. In fact, the latter spelling was so common that the original editor of ''The Lord of the Rings'' "corrected" Tolkien's ''dwarves'' to ''dwarfs'' (''[[The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien]]'', 138).<br /> <br /> ----<br /> In the earliest versions of Tolkien's Middle-earth mythology (see: ''[[The History of Middle-earth]]'') the dwarves were evil beings created by [[Melkor]].<br /> <br /> [[Category:Dwarves|*]]<br /> [[Category:Races]]</div>

Lord Aragorn1414 https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Men&diff=31115 Men 2006-08-30T02:15:38Z

<p>Lord Aragorn1414: </p> <hr /> <div>{{quote|The race of men is weak, and ready to fall.|[[Elrond]]}}<br /> The race of '''Men''' refers to humanity and does not denote gender. They are distinct from the various humanoid races, though some, like [[Hobbits]], are probably human in origin, and others are thought by some characters to be human, such as the [[Wizards]].<br /> <br /> The Elves call the race of Men '''''Atani''''' in [[Quenya]], literally meaning "Second People" (the [[Elves]] being the First), but also '''''Hildor''''' (Aftercomers), and '''''Fírimar''''' (Mortals) or '''''Engwar''''' (The Sickly). The name ''Atani'' becomes '''''Edain''''' in Sindarin, but this term is later only applied to those Men who are friendly to the Elves. <br /> <br /> In Tolkien's writings, ''Man'' with an initial capital letter refers to any human being and ''man'' with a lowercase ''m'' refers to an adult male of any race. [[Legolas]], for example, may be correctly called a ''man'', but never a ''Man''. <br /> <br /> ==Origins==<br /> <br /> The race of Men is the second race of beings created by the Supreme God, [[Ilúvatar]]. Because they awoke at the start of the [[First Age]], while the [[Elves]] awoke three Ages before them, they are called the Afterborn ([[Quenya]] ''Atani'', [[Sindarin]]: ''[[Edain]]'') by the Elves.<br /> <br /> Men bear the so-called ''[[Gift of Men]]'', mortality. Elves are immortal, in the sense that even if their bodies are slain, their spirits remain bound to the world, going to the [[Halls of Mandos]] to wait until they are released or the world ends. Elves are tied to the world for as long as it lasts. When Men die, they are released from [[Arda]] and the bounds of the world and have rest from its troubles.<br /> <br /> <br /> ==Groups and alignments==<br /> <br /> Although all Men are related to one another, there are many different groups with different cultures. The most important group in the tales of the First Age were the Edain. Although the word Edain refers to all Men, the Elves use it to distinguish those Men who fought with them in the First Age against [[Morgoth]] in [[Beleriand]]. Those Men who fought against Morgoth in the First Age were divided into three Houses. <br /> <br /> The First House of the Edain was the [[House of Bëor]], and entered Beleriand in 305 T.A. and were granted the fief of [[Ladros]] in [[Dorthonion]] by [[Finrod Felagund]].<br /> The Second House of the Edain, the [[Haladin]] was led by Haldad and later by his daughter Haleth and settled in the Forest of Brethil. The Third House, which became the greatest, was led by [[Marach]] and later his descendant [[Hador]], and they settled in [[Dor-lómin]]. This house was known both as the House of Marach and the [[House of Hador]].<br /> <br /> Other Men didn't cross the [[Misty Mountains]] or fight against Morgoth. Some such as the Easterlings fought openly on his side. Later on the Haradrim would fight on Sauron's side against the descendants of the Edain. Here below follow the short descriptions of the most important groups of Men in the First, Second and Third Age.<br /> <br /> ===[[Edain]] and [[Dúnedain]]===<br /> <br /> Through their services and assistance rendered to the Elves and the Valar in the [[War of Wrath]] at the end of the First Age, the Edain were rewarded with a new land of their own between Middle-earth and the [[Undying Lands]]. This was the island of [[Númenor]], an island in the form of a five-pointed star far away from the evil of Middle-earth. <br /> <br /> They were led to this island by [[Elros]] with the help of his father [[Eärendil]], who sailed the heavens as the bright star of the same name. Once there Elros became the first king of Númenor as Tar-Minyatur and the Edain became known as the Dúnedain (Sindarin for ''Men of the West''). The kingdom of Númenor grew steadily in power and the Dúnedain became the noblest and highest of all Men on Arda. Allied to the Elves, Númenor fought against Morgoth's lieutenant [[Sauron]]. <br /> <br /> Now that the Men of the West had become powerful they came to resent the Gift of Men, Death. They wanted to become immortal like the Elves, and enjoy their accumulated power for all time. The Númenóreans turned away from the Valar, began to call the Gift of Men the ''Doom of Men'' and cursed the Ban of the Valar which forbade them to sail west beyond sight of Númenor or to enter Valinor. In 2899 SA Ar-Adûnakhôr became the first king of Númenor who took his royal name in [[Adûnaic]], the language of Men instead of [[Quenya]], the language of the Elves. This led to civil war in Númenor.<br /> <br /> The people of Númenor were divided into two factions: the '''King's Men''', who enjoyed the support of the King and the majority of the people. They favoured Adûnaic as language. The minority faction, the '''Faithful''', were led by the lord of [[Andúnië]], the westernmost province of Númenor, and favoured Quenya. Sauron who by the second millennium of the [[Second Age]] was nearly defeated by the Elves took advantage of the division. He surrendered to the last Númenórean King, [[Ar-Pharazôn]] and worked his way into the King's counsels. Ultimately, Sauron advised him to attack Valinor and claim immortality. This he foolishly did, and as a punishment Númenor, the island of the Men of the West fell and only the Faithful escaped and founded the twin kingdoms of [[Gondor]] and [[Arnor]].<br /> <br /> ===[[Black Númenóreans]] and [[Haradrim]]===<br /> <br /> The Faithful weren't the only Númenóreans left on Middle-earth when Númenor sank. When Númenor grew in naval power many Númenóreans founded colonies in Middle-earth. In the second millennium of the [[Second Age]] there was an exodus of Men from overcrowded Númenor. The King's Men because they wanted to conquer more lands, and the Faithful because they were persecuted by the Kings. The Faithful settled in [[Pelargir]] and the King's Men settled in the [[Haven of Umbar]]. When Númenor was destroyed the King's Men became known as the Black Númenóreans and remained hostile against the Faithful of Gondor. From their ranks Sauron recruited men who would become some the nine [[Ringwraiths]] in the second millennium of the Second Age. Umbar was conquered by Gondor in 933 Third Age.<br /> <br /> Among the Black Númenórean race was the wicked [[Queen Berúthiel]], wife of Tarannon Falastur, King of Gondor.<br /> <br /> Further east of Umbar another group of Men lived, the '''Haradrim'''. They were dark skinned Men and waged war on great Oliphaunts or ''Mûmakil''. Hostile to Gondor they were subdued in Third Age 1050 by [[Hyarmendacil I]].<br /> <br /> Both Umbar and the Harad were left unchecked by Gondor's waning power by the time of the War of the Ring, and presented grave threats from the south. Many Haradrim fought with Sauron's forces in Gondor in that War.<br /> <br /> See also: [[Southrons]]<br /> <br /> ===[[Easterlings]]===<br /> <br /> Most Men who fought in the armies of Morgoth and Sauron were Easterlings, who came from the region around the [[Sea of Rhûn]]. Some Easterlings offered their services to the Elvish kingdoms in Beleriand, among them were Bor and his sons and Ulfang the Black and his sons. This proved to be disastrous for the Elves in the [[Nirnaeth Arnoediad]] when Ulfang and his clan switched sides and defected to Morgoth, while Bor and his sons died bravely fighting on the side of the Eldar. <br /> <br /> After Morgoth's defeat Sauron extended his influence over the Easterlings and although Sauron was defeated by the [[Last Alliance of Elves and Men]] at the end of the Second Age, the Easterlings were the first enemies to attack Gondor again in 492 TA. They were soundly defeated by King [[Rómendacil I]], but invaded again in 541 TA and took revenge by slaying King Rómendacil. Rómendacil's son [[Turambar]] took large portions of land from them.<br /> In the next centuries Gondor held sway over the Easterlings. When Gondor's power began to decrease in the twelfth century Third Age, the Easterlings took the complete eastern bank of the [[Anduin]] except [[Ithilien]] crushing Gondor's allies, the Northmen. <br /> <br /> The Easterlings of the Third Age were divided in different tribes, such as the [[Wainriders]] and the [[Balchoth]]. The Wainriders were a confederation of Easterlings which were very active between 1856 and 1944 TA. They were a serious threat to Gondor for many years, but were utterly defeaten by [[Eärnil II]] in 1944.<br /> When Gondor lost its royal dynasty in 2050 TA the Easterlings started to reorganize themselves and a fierce tribe called the Balchoth became the most important tribe. In 2510 TA they invaded Gondor again and conquered much of [[Calenardhon]], until they were defeated by the [[Éothéod]], coming to Gondor's aid.<br /> <br /> Until the War of the Ring the Easterlings didn't launch any invasion. In the War of the Ring they were amongst the fiercest warriors deployed at the [[Battle of the Pelennor Fields]] by Sauron.<br /> <br /> ===[[Northmen]]===<br /> <br /> The Northmen were composed of two principle groups. First, not all the Men who remained east of the Blue Mountains and Misty Mountains were tempted by Morgoth or Sauron. They were joined after the War of Wrath by those of the Edain who did not wish to travel to Númenór (similar to how, at the end of the first age, various eldar remained and went east, becoming lords of the silvan elves). The Northmen who dwellt in [[Mirkwood|Greenwood the Great]] and other parts of [[Rhovanion]] were friendly to the Dúnedain, being for the most part their kin, and many of them became Gondorian subjects. The Men of [[Dale]] and [[Esgaroth]] were Northmen, as were the Woodsmen of Mirkwood, and the [[Éothéod]], who became the Rohirrim.<br /> <br /> ===[[Dunlendings]] and [[Drúedain]]===<br /> <br /> When Elendil founded the Kingdom of Arnor its borders were quickly extended towards the river Greyflood (Sind:''Gwathló''), and Gondor likewise extended up through [[Enedwaith]]. In Enedwaith (Middle-land) and [[Minhiriath]] (Sindarin for ''Land between the Rivers'') lived a group of Men related to those Men that became the House of Haleth, and they were known as the Dunlendings. They had lived in the great woods that covered most of Eriador, and when the Númenóreans started to chop these woods down to build their ships in the [[Second Age]], the Dúnedain of Númenor earned the hostility of the Dunlendings. The Dunlendings later became bitter enemies of [[Rohan]].<br /> The Dunlendings served [[Saruman]] in the War of the Ring and participated in the [[Battle of the Hornburg]].<br /> <br /> Another group of Men were the [[Woses]]. They were small and bent compared to other Men. They lived among the House of Haleth in the First Age, and were held as Edain by the Elves, who called them ''Drúedain'' (from ''Drûg'', their own name for themselves, plus ''Edain''). <br /> At the end of the Third Age some Woses lived in the Drúadan forest, small in number but experienced in wood life. They held off [[Orcs]] with poisoned arrows and were vital in securing the aid of the Rohirrim in the Battle of the Pelennor Fields. King [[Aragorn|Elessar]] granted the Drúadan Forest "forever" to them in the [[Fourth Age]].<br /> <br /> ===[[Hobbit]]s===<br /> <br /> Hobbits were strictly a race of Men; rather than a separate species. The origin of Hobbits is obscure; they first appeared in the records of other Men in the [[Third Age]].<br /> <br /> ==Notable Men==<br /> ===First Age===<br /> *[[Beren]] son of [[Barahir]]<br /> *[[Túrin]] Turambar son of [[Húrin]]<br /> *[[Tuor]] son of [[Huor]]<br /> ===Second Age===<br /> *[[Isildur]] son of [[Elendil]]<br /> *[[Ar-Pharazôn]] the Golden<br /> ===Third Age===<br /> *[[Aragorn]] son of [[Arathorn]]<br /> *[[Boromir]] and [[Faramir]] sons of [[Denethor]]<br /> *[[Éomer]], nephew and heir of [[Théoden]], and his sister [[Éowyn]]<br /> <br /> [[category:Races]]</div>

Lord Aragorn1414 https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Forums:Music_categories&diff=31114 Forums:Music categories 2006-08-30T02:08:11Z

<p>Lord Aragorn1414: </p> <hr /> <div><div style="background: #eee; border: 1px solid #aaa; padding: 5px">'''[[Main Page|Tolkien Gateway]] &gt; [[Forum:Council|Council]] &gt; {{PAGENAME}}'''</div> [[Category:Council]]<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> Hi all. I think we need to start making articles on all the music that envolves Tolkein's works. I think that maybe Howard Shore's works should be articles by themselves ("''[[Gollum's Song]]''", "''[[Into the West]]''", "''[[May it Be]]''", etcetera). How exactly do we want to do this? Let's get it orginized. -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 14:23, 18 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Yes that's another thing we need to get going. I'd really like to see an entire ''Music Portal'' which features information on bands, songs, downloadable audio files, etc. Eventually I'd like to see at least an article for every band listed on [http://www.tolkien-music.com/ Tolkien-Music.com], though that will take some time. I suppose Shore's works are well known enough that they could constitute an entire article for a single song, possibly listing lyrics and other information about it. Maybe we should name the articles something like ''Howard Shore - Gollum's Song'' or something similar. A good idea might be to go through the Tolkien-Music.com list and starting with the A's create an article for every band, if the band has a name like [[Angband]] which is already taken then we can call it ''Angband (band)'' or something similar. I think we can be more picky however as the website lists quite a few bands who I wouldn't consider to be Tolkien-themed. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 14:01, 18 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::Alright. I've done the lyrics for ''[[Into the West]]'', now we just need the same for the other three songs. -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 14:55, 26 July 2006 (EDT)</div>

Lord Aragorn1414 https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Howard_Shore&diff=28451 Howard Shore 2006-08-07T03:11:06Z

<p>Lord Aragorn1414: </p> <hr /> <div>'''Howard Shore''' composed the soundtracks for [[Peter Jackson's The Lord of the Rings]] film trilogy. Some of his most notable works are:<br /> [[Into the West]]<br /> [[Gollum's Song]]<br /> [[In Dreams]]<br /> <br /> [[Category:Musicians]]</div>

Lord Aragorn1414 https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Mount_Doom&diff=28450 Mount Doom 2006-08-07T03:09:11Z

<p>Lord Aragorn1414: </p> <hr /> <div>{{quote|Into the fires of Orodruin [[One Ring|The One]] must be cast. Only thus a great power undone. Only thus a great evil unmade.|"The Destruction of the Ring" by [[Howard Shore]]}}<br /> '''Mount Doom''', or '''Orodruin''', is a volcano in [[Mordor]] where the [[One Ring]] was forged in the [[Crack of Doom]], a fiery chasm within the mountain. [[Frodo Baggins|Frodo]]'s quest to destroy the Ring at Mount Doom occupies the bulk of ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]''.<br /> <br /> ''Orodruin'' is [[Sindarin]] for "Fire Mountain". The Sindarin equivalent of ''Mount Doom'' is ''Amon Amarth'', meaning "Mountain of Fate".<br /> <br /> When Sauron chose the land of [[Mordor]] as his dwelling-place in the [[Second Age]], Orodruin was the reason for his choice. He 'used the fire that welled there from the heart of the earth in his sorceries and his forging.' The most famous result of his forging, and in fact the only one we know of for sure, was the One Ring.<br /> <br /> Orodruin was far more than a natural volcano - Sauron seems to have extended his own power into it, and was able to control its fires. It seems to have lain dormant when [[Sauron]] was away from Mordor, and sprung into life when his power grew.<br /> <br /> In [[Peter Jackson]]'s trilogy of movies, the [[New Zealand]] volcano Mount [[Ngauruhoe]] was used as Mount Doom in some scenes. In long shots the mountain is either a large model or a CGI effect, or a combination. It was not permitted to film the summit of Ngauruhoe because it is sacred to the [[Maori]] of the region. However, some scene in the slopes of Mount Doom were filmed on the actual slopes of Mt. [[Ruapehu]].<br /> <br /> [[Category:Mountains]]<br /> [[Category:Mordor and Sauron]]</div>

Lord Aragorn1414 https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Frodo_Baggins&diff=28449 Frodo Baggins 2006-08-07T03:05:48Z

<p>Lord Aragorn1414: </p> <hr /> <div>{{quote|I would have followed you to the end. Into the very fires of [[Mordor]].|[[Aragorn II|Aragorn]]}}<br /> <br /> {{Hobbit infobox<br /> | image = [[Image:John Howe - Frodo.jpg|225px]]<br /> | name = Frodo Baggins<br /> | othernames = Frodo<br /> | birth = September 22, 2968 [[Third Age|T.A.]]<br /> | death = Not known<br /> | race = [[Hobbits]]<br /> | gender = Male<br /> | height = <br /> | hair = Brown<br /> | eyes = Blue<br /> }}<br /> <br /> '''Frodo Baggins''' is a [[Hobbits|Hobbit]] (or halfling), born on September 22 of the year 2968 of the [[Third Age]] (T.A.) to [[Drogo Baggins]] and [[Primula Brandybuck]]. <br /> <br /> In 2980 of the Third Age (T.A.), Frodo lost both his parents in a boating accident. Being a young minor of twelve he was taken in by his mother's family, the Brandybucks. In 2989, Frodo came under the guardianship of [[Bilbo Baggins]], whom he thinks of as his ''uncle'' (though Frodo was actually his first ''and'' second cousin once removed, since his mother is Bilbo's first cousin, and his father is Bilbo's second cousin). Frodo was 21 years old at the time, still far short of his coming of adult age at 33. The childless Bilbo chose Frodo as his adoptive heir, and brought him to live at [[Bag End]]. <br /> <br /> Bilbo and Frodo share a common birthday on September 22 but Bilbo is 78 years Frodo's senior. At the opening of ''The Lord of the Rings'', Frodo and Bilbo are celebrating their 33rd and 111th birthdays, respectively, on September 22, T.A. 3001.<br /> <br /> [[Image:Igor Kordej - Hobbit.jpg|thumb|left|275px|''Hobbit'' by [[Igor Kordej]].]]<br /> Frodo was entrusted with the keeping of the [[One Ring]] when Bilbo left for [[Rivendell]] after the celebration. [[Gandalf]] warned Frodo that the Ring must never be used and should be kept secret. (At the time, he was not yet certain that it was a [[Rings of Power|Ring of Power]].) Frodo kept the Ring hidden for seventeen years, until T.A. 3018, when Gandalf returned to confirm that it was indeed the [[One Ring]]. Gandalf sent him away with [[Samwise Gamgee|Sam Gamgee]], who was Frodo's gardener and eventually his dearest friend. Together with [[Peregrin I Took|Peregrin Took]], [[Meriadoc Brandybuck]] and later [[Aragorn|Strider]], they made it to the [[Rivendell|House of Elrond]]. There, at Elrond's Council, it was decided that the Ring must be destroyed by casting it into the [[Crack of Doom]]. A [[Fellowship of the Ring|Fellowship]] was formed to protect Frodo as the [[Ring-bearer]]. His quest to destroy the Ring forms a large portion of ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]''.<br /> <br /> Frodo carried a small Elven sword (actually a dagger) called [[Sting]] and wore a coat of Dwarven chainmail made of [[Mithril]] under his clothes, both given to him by Bilbo. At [[Lothlórien]], [[Galadriel]] gave him an Elven cloak and a phial carrying the light of the star [[Eärendil]] to aid him on his quest. <br /> <br /> Two years after the Ring was destroyed, still troubled by the wounds he received during the War of the Ring, Frodo and Bilbo as Ring-bearers were given the right to travel to [[Valinor]] where, though remaining mortal, they might rest and be healed, together with [[Gandalf]], [[Elrond]] and [[Galadriel]]. They boarded a ship from the [[Grey Havens]] and passed over the sea on September 29, T.A. 3021. Having no children of his own, Frodo left his estate and passed on the [[Red Book of Westmarch|Red Book]] to [[Samwise Gamgee]] who followed Frodo across the sea 61 years later, following the death of his wife [[Rose Cotton|Rose (nee) Cotton]].<br /> <br /> The name ''Frodo Baggins'' is an English translation of his [[Westron]] name '''Maura Labingi'''. The name ''Maura'' has the element ''maur-'' (wise, experienced), which Tolkien equivalated to the Germanic element ''frod-'' of the same meaning. Frodo's name in [[Sindarin]] was '''''Iorhael''''' ("old-wise").<br /> <br /> In the German translation he is called ''Frodo Beutlin'', in Spanish, ''Frodo Bolsón'', in French, ''Frodon Sacquet'', in Norwegian, ''Frodo Lommelun'', in Danish, ''Frodo Sækker'', in Faroese, ''Fróði Pjøkin'' in Finnish, ''Frodo Reppuli'' and in Dutch, ''Frodo Balings''. In one of three Polish translations he is called ''Frodo Bagosz'', but he keeps his original name in the other two.<br /> <br /> In the [[Peter Jackson's The Lord of the Rings]] by [[New Line Cinema]], Frodo is played by American actor [[Elijah Wood]]. In an earlier BBC radio version, Frodo was played by British actor [[Ian Holm]], who also took on the role of Frodo's uncle [[Bilbo Baggins]] in the movie.<br /> <br /> ==The Line of Frodo==<br /> <br /> <code><br /> [[Balbo Baggins]] = [[Berylla Boffin]]<br /> |<br /> ------------------------ <br /> | |<br /> [[Mungo Baggins|Mungo]] Largo [[Baggins Family|Baggins]] = [[Tanta Hornblower]]<br /> (grandfather of Bilbo) |<br /> [[Fosco Baggins|Fosco]] = [[Ruby Bolger]]<br /> |<br /> --------------------------------------------<br /> | | |<br /> [[Dora Baggins|Dora]] [[Drogo Baggins|Drogo]] = Primula Brandybuck [[Dudo Baggins|Dudo]] <br /> | |<br /> '''Frodo''' [[Daisy Baggins|Daisy]] = [[Griffo Boffin]]<br /> </code><br /> <br /> <br /> {{fellowship}}<br /> <br /> [[Category:Baggins]]</div>

Lord Aragorn1414 https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Nazg%C3%BBl&diff=28448 Nazgûl 2006-08-07T03:03:48Z

<p>Lord Aragorn1414: </p> <hr /> <div>{{quote|Are you frightened?" <br> "Yes." <br> "Not nearly frightened enough. I know what hunts you.|[[Aragorn II|Aragon]] and [[Frodo Baggins|Frodo]]}}<br /> <br /> [[Image:Enis Cisic - Nazgul.jpg|thumb|A Nazgûl by [[Enis Cisic]]]]<br /> The '''Nazgûl''' ([[Black Speech]]: '''Ringwraiths''', sometimes written '''''Ring-wraiths'''''), also known as the '''Nine Riders''' or '''Black Riders''' (or simply '''the Nine'''), are evil servants of [[Sauron]] in [[Middle-earth]]. The rarely used [[Quenya]] name for them is '''''Úlairi'''''. The book refers to the Nazgûl as "his [Sauron's] most terrible servants."<br /> <br /> == History ==<br /> The nine Nazgûl arose as Sauron's most powerful servants in the [[Second Age]] of Middle-earth. It is said that three of the Nine were lords of [[Númenor]] corrupted by Sauron. They were all powerful mortal [[Men]] to whom Sauron gave nine [[Rings of Power]]. These proved to be their undoing:<br /> {{quote|Those who used the Nine Rings became mighty in their day, kings, sorcerers, and warriors of old. They obtained glory and great wealth, yet it turned to their undoing. They had, as it seemed, unending life, yet life became unendurable to them. They could walk, if they would, unseen by all eyes in this world beneath the sun, and they could see things in worlds invisible to mortal men; but too often they beheld only the phantoms and delusions of Sauron. And one by one, sooner or later, according to their native strength and to the good or evil of their wills in the beginning, they fell under the thralldom of the ring that they bore and of the domination of the One which was Sauron's. And they became forever invisible save to him that wore the Ruling Ring, and they entered into the realm of shadows. The Nazgûl were they, the Ringwraiths, the Enemy's most terrible servants; darkness went with them, and they cried with the voices of death.|''[[The Silmarillion]]'', "[[Of the Rings of Power and the Third Age]]"}}<br /> <br /> [[Image:John Howe - Nazgul.jpg|thumb|left|''Nazgûl'' by [[John Howe]]]]<br /> For many years the bearers used the rings to gain great wealth, prestige and power. The corrupting effect of the rings caused their bodily forms to fade over time until they had become wraiths entirely. Given form only through the attire of black cloaks and hauberks of silver mail, their original form was completely gone and invisible to mortal eyes. Their hypnotic eyes could be plainly distinguished from their dark clothing, and in a rage they appeared in a hellish fire. Untouchable to mortal men (unless blessed by weapons or tools of the ancient [[Elves]] of the [[First Age]]), they had many weapons, which included long swords of steel and flame, daggers with venomous properties, and black maces of great strength.<br /> <br /> Their arsenal of deadly armaments was not confined to physical means; they also had seemingly magical weapons of devastating power. They were surrounded by an aura of terror, which affected all living creatures; their "breath" (called the ''[[Black Breath]]'') was poisonous, and their cries caused terror and despair in all who heard them. Some of the Nazgûl appear to have been accomplished sorcerers and used magic to devastating effect. According to Tolkien, though, it was the fear they inspired that was the chief danger:<br /> {{quote|They have no great physical power against the fearless," he wrote, "but what they have, and the fear that they inspire, is enormously increased in darkness|''[[The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien]]''}}<br /> <br /> The Nazgûl first appeared around 2251 of the [[Second Age]] and were soon established as Sauron's principal servants. They were dispersed after the first overthrow of Sauron in 3434 at the hands of the [[Last Alliance of Elves and Men]], but their survival was nonetheless assured while the [[One Ring]] persisted. They re-emerged around 1300 of the [[Third Age]], when the Lord of the Nazgûl, the [[Witch-king of Angmar]], led Sauron's forces against the human kingdom of [[Arnor]]. He was eventually defeated in battle in 1975 and returned to [[Mordor]], gathering the other Nazgûl in preparation for the return of Sauron to that realm. In 2000, they besieged [[Minas Ithil]] and captured it after a two-year siege. The city thereafter became the stronghold of the Nazgûl, from where they directed the rebuilding of Sauron's armies, also acquiring a palantír for the Dark Lord.<br /> <br /> In 2942 Sauron returned to Mordor and declared himself openly in 2951. Two or three of the Nazgûl were sent to his fortress at [[Dol Guldur]] to garrison that outpost. <br /> <br /> In 3017, near the beginning of the story told in ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'', Sauron commanded the Ringwraiths to recover the [[One Ring]] of Power from "Baggins of the Shire". Disguised as horse riders clad in black (hence the term ''Black Riders''), they sought out [[Bilbo Baggins]] who, as [[Gollum]] had revealed, had the One Ring in his possession.<br /> <br /> [[Image:Ted_Nasmith_-_The_Nazgûl.jpg|right|thumb|200px|''The Nazgûl'' by [[Ted Nasmith]]]]<br /> The Nazgûl at this point were dependent on their black horses (stolen from [[Rohan]]) for transportation. When they were swept away by the waters of the river [[Bruinen]], their horses were killed. The Ringwraiths were forced to return to Mordor to regroup. They reappeared later mounted on [[Fell beasts|flying creatures]], at which point they were referred to as '''Winged Nazgûl'''.<br /> <br /> By the conclusion of the [[War of the Ring]], all of the Nine Nazgûl were destroyed. The [[Witch-king_of_Angmar|Lord of the Nazgûl]] himself was slain by [[Éowyn]], the niece of the [[Théoden]] (with help from [[Meriadoc Brandybuck|Merry]], known as "The Magnificent" thereafter) during the [[Battle of the Pelennor Fields]]. The remaining eight Ringwraiths attacked the Army of the West during the last battle at the [[Black Gate]]. However, when [[Frodo Baggins]] put on the ring in the fires of [[Mount Doom]], Sauron ordered the eight remaining Nazgûl to fly with all possible speed to Mount Doom to intercept Frodo. They arrived too late, with the Ring falling into the fire along with the hapless Gollum. The Nazgûl were caught in the firestorm of the erupting mountain and were destroyed.<br /> <br /> Only a few of the Nazgûl are named or identified individually in Tolkien's works. Their leader was the [[Witch-king of Angmar]], and his second in command was named [[Khamûl]]. At least three of them were of [[Black Númenóreans|Black Númenórean]] race. Khamûl was a lord of [[Easterlings]], and was the only Nazgûl known by his name, although [[Gothmog, Lieutenant of Morgul]], may have been a Nazgûl. Tolkien fans also speculate that either [[Herumor]] or [[Fuinur]], or both, became Nazgûl. They were renegade Númenóreans who rose to great power among the Haradrim and it is highly likely that Sauron would have wanted them as Ringwraiths.<br /> <br /> == Other Titles ==<br /> The Nazgûl were also called "the Fell Riders", "the Nine Riders", and "the Black Wings" when appropriate. Also "the Shadows", "the Nine', "the Nine Servants of the Lord of the Rings", and by the Orcs of the Tower of Cirth Ungol, "the Shriekers".<br /> <br /> == Portrayal in Adaptations ==<br /> The early [[Middle-earth Role Playing]] games name the eight, other than Khamûl, ''Er-Murazor'' (the [[Witch-king of Angmar|Witch-king]], of Númenórean race), ''Dwar'', ''Ji Indur'', ''Akhorahil'', ''Hoarmurath'' (Númenórean), ''Adunaphel'' (female Númenórean), ''Ren'' and ''Uvatha'', but none of these names are considered [[canon]]. It is particularly unlikely, in the context of the books, that any of the Nazgûl would have been female. Nor is it clear who were of Númenórean descent: only Khamûl's origin is given with certainty, and he was an Easterling. While the Witch-king is by many thought of as a Númenórean lord, this cannot be confirmed by any statement in Tolkien's writings.<br /> <br /> == Modern Slang ==<br /> The term ''Nazgûl'' has been used to refer to [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM IBM's] cadre of lawyers, with whom it has been said that IBM can blacken the sky — particularly with reference to the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCO_v._IBM SCO v. IBM lawsuit] because they supposedly never sleep, are utterly ruthless, and are completely loyal servants to their master. In addition it has been said that they are "probably really nice people. They would be nicer too if they had (say) blood or souls like normal people." <br /> <br /> This usage appears to have originated in a comment on [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slashdot Slashdot] news website and forum:<br /> <blockquote><br /> "Not long ago, the Black Gate of Armonk swung open. The lights went out, my skin crawled, and dogs began to howl. I asked my neighbor what it was and he said, 'Those are the nazgul. Once they were human, now they are IBM's lawyers.'"<br /> </blockquote><br /> <br /> (IBM is headquartered in Armonk, New York)<br /> <br /> It also has been suggested that this usage can be traced back to the 1969 – 1983 IBM antitrust suit with the United States Department of Justice, but this has not been substantiated.<br /> <br /> Tolkien himself was known to use the term figuratively. In a 1945 letter to his son, he compared his reaction to the aircraft of World War II to how Frodo might have felt if he had discovered Hobbits "learning to ride Nazgûl-birds" (''[[The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien|Letters]]'', 100).<br /> <br /> == See Also ==<br /> * [[:Category:Images of Nazgûl|Images of Nazgûl]]</div>

Lord Aragorn1414 https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Nazg%C3%BBl&diff=28447 Nazgûl 2006-08-07T03:02:17Z

<p>Lord Aragorn1414: </p> <hr /> <div>{{quote|Are you frightened?" <br> "Yes." <br> "Not nearly frightened enough. I know what hunts you.|[[Aragorn II|Aragon]] and [[Frodo]]}}<br /> <br /> [[Image:Enis Cisic - Nazgul.jpg|thumb|A Nazgûl by [[Enis Cisic]]]]<br /> The '''Nazgûl''' ([[Black Speech]]: '''Ringwraiths''', sometimes written '''''Ring-wraiths'''''), also known as the '''Nine Riders''' or '''Black Riders''' (or simply '''the Nine'''), are evil servants of [[Sauron]] in [[Middle-earth]]. The rarely used [[Quenya]] name for them is '''''Úlairi'''''. The book refers to the Nazgûl as "his [Sauron's] most terrible servants."<br /> <br /> == History ==<br /> The nine Nazgûl arose as Sauron's most powerful servants in the [[Second Age]] of Middle-earth. It is said that three of the Nine were lords of [[Númenor]] corrupted by Sauron. They were all powerful mortal [[Men]] to whom Sauron gave nine [[Rings of Power]]. These proved to be their undoing:<br /> {{quote|Those who used the Nine Rings became mighty in their day, kings, sorcerers, and warriors of old. They obtained glory and great wealth, yet it turned to their undoing. They had, as it seemed, unending life, yet life became unendurable to them. They could walk, if they would, unseen by all eyes in this world beneath the sun, and they could see things in worlds invisible to mortal men; but too often they beheld only the phantoms and delusions of Sauron. And one by one, sooner or later, according to their native strength and to the good or evil of their wills in the beginning, they fell under the thralldom of the ring that they bore and of the domination of the One which was Sauron's. And they became forever invisible save to him that wore the Ruling Ring, and they entered into the realm of shadows. The Nazgûl were they, the Ringwraiths, the Enemy's most terrible servants; darkness went with them, and they cried with the voices of death.|''[[The Silmarillion]]'', "[[Of the Rings of Power and the Third Age]]"}}<br /> <br /> [[Image:John Howe - Nazgul.jpg|thumb|left|''Nazgûl'' by [[John Howe]]]]<br /> For many years the bearers used the rings to gain great wealth, prestige and power. The corrupting effect of the rings caused their bodily forms to fade over time until they had become wraiths entirely. Given form only through the attire of black cloaks and hauberks of silver mail, their original form was completely gone and invisible to mortal eyes. Their hypnotic eyes could be plainly distinguished from their dark clothing, and in a rage they appeared in a hellish fire. Untouchable to mortal men (unless blessed by weapons or tools of the ancient [[Elves]] of the [[First Age]]), they had many weapons, which included long swords of steel and flame, daggers with venomous properties, and black maces of great strength.<br /> <br /> Their arsenal of deadly armaments was not confined to physical means; they also had seemingly magical weapons of devastating power. They were surrounded by an aura of terror, which affected all living creatures; their "breath" (called the ''[[Black Breath]]'') was poisonous, and their cries caused terror and despair in all who heard them. Some of the Nazgûl appear to have been accomplished sorcerers and used magic to devastating effect. According to Tolkien, though, it was the fear they inspired that was the chief danger:<br /> {{quote|They have no great physical power against the fearless," he wrote, "but what they have, and the fear that they inspire, is enormously increased in darkness|''[[The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien]]''}}<br /> <br /> The Nazgûl first appeared around 2251 of the [[Second Age]] and were soon established as Sauron's principal servants. They were dispersed after the first overthrow of Sauron in 3434 at the hands of the [[Last Alliance of Elves and Men]], but their survival was nonetheless assured while the [[One Ring]] persisted. They re-emerged around 1300 of the [[Third Age]], when the Lord of the Nazgûl, the [[Witch-king of Angmar]], led Sauron's forces against the human kingdom of [[Arnor]]. He was eventually defeated in battle in 1975 and returned to [[Mordor]], gathering the other Nazgûl in preparation for the return of Sauron to that realm. In 2000, they besieged [[Minas Ithil]] and captured it after a two-year siege. The city thereafter became the stronghold of the Nazgûl, from where they directed the rebuilding of Sauron's armies, also acquiring a palantír for the Dark Lord.<br /> <br /> In 2942 Sauron returned to Mordor and declared himself openly in 2951. Two or three of the Nazgûl were sent to his fortress at [[Dol Guldur]] to garrison that outpost. <br /> <br /> In 3017, near the beginning of the story told in ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'', Sauron commanded the Ringwraiths to recover the [[One Ring]] of Power from "Baggins of the Shire". Disguised as horse riders clad in black (hence the term ''Black Riders''), they sought out [[Bilbo Baggins]] who, as [[Gollum]] had revealed, had the One Ring in his possession.<br /> <br /> [[Image:Ted_Nasmith_-_The_Nazgûl.jpg|right|thumb|200px|''The Nazgûl'' by [[Ted Nasmith]]]]<br /> The Nazgûl at this point were dependent on their black horses (stolen from [[Rohan]]) for transportation. When they were swept away by the waters of the river [[Bruinen]], their horses were killed. The Ringwraiths were forced to return to Mordor to regroup. They reappeared later mounted on [[Fell beasts|flying creatures]], at which point they were referred to as '''Winged Nazgûl'''.<br /> <br /> By the conclusion of the [[War of the Ring]], all of the Nine Nazgûl were destroyed. The [[Witch-king_of_Angmar|Lord of the Nazgûl]] himself was slain by [[Éowyn]], the niece of the [[Théoden]] (with help from [[Meriadoc Brandybuck|Merry]], known as "The Magnificent" thereafter) during the [[Battle of the Pelennor Fields]]. The remaining eight Ringwraiths attacked the Army of the West during the last battle at the [[Black Gate]]. However, when [[Frodo Baggins]] put on the ring in the fires of [[Mount Doom]], Sauron ordered the eight remaining Nazgûl to fly with all possible speed to Mount Doom to intercept Frodo. They arrived too late, with the Ring falling into the fire along with the hapless Gollum. The Nazgûl were caught in the firestorm of the erupting mountain and were destroyed.<br /> <br /> Only a few of the Nazgûl are named or identified individually in Tolkien's works. Their leader was the [[Witch-king of Angmar]], and his second in command was named [[Khamûl]]. At least three of them were of [[Black Númenóreans|Black Númenórean]] race. Khamûl was a lord of [[Easterlings]], and was the only Nazgûl known by his name, although [[Gothmog, Lieutenant of Morgul]], may have been a Nazgûl. Tolkien fans also speculate that either [[Herumor]] or [[Fuinur]], or both, became Nazgûl. They were renegade Númenóreans who rose to great power among the Haradrim and it is highly likely that Sauron would have wanted them as Ringwraiths.<br /> <br /> == Other Titles ==<br /> The Nazgûl were also called "the Fell Riders", "the Nine Riders", and "the Black Wings" when appropriate. Also "the Shadows", "the Nine', "the Nine Servants of the Lord of the Rings", and by the Orcs of the Tower of Cirth Ungol, "the Shriekers".<br /> <br /> == Portrayal in Adaptations ==<br /> The early [[Middle-earth Role Playing]] games name the eight, other than Khamûl, ''Er-Murazor'' (the [[Witch-king of Angmar|Witch-king]], of Númenórean race), ''Dwar'', ''Ji Indur'', ''Akhorahil'', ''Hoarmurath'' (Númenórean), ''Adunaphel'' (female Númenórean), ''Ren'' and ''Uvatha'', but none of these names are considered [[canon]]. It is particularly unlikely, in the context of the books, that any of the Nazgûl would have been female. Nor is it clear who were of Númenórean descent: only Khamûl's origin is given with certainty, and he was an Easterling. While the Witch-king is by many thought of as a Númenórean lord, this cannot be confirmed by any statement in Tolkien's writings.<br /> <br /> == Modern Slang ==<br /> The term ''Nazgûl'' has been used to refer to [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM IBM's] cadre of lawyers, with whom it has been said that IBM can blacken the sky — particularly with reference to the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCO_v._IBM SCO v. IBM lawsuit] because they supposedly never sleep, are utterly ruthless, and are completely loyal servants to their master. In addition it has been said that they are "probably really nice people. They would be nicer too if they had (say) blood or souls like normal people." <br /> <br /> This usage appears to have originated in a comment on [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slashdot Slashdot] news website and forum:<br /> <blockquote><br /> "Not long ago, the Black Gate of Armonk swung open. The lights went out, my skin crawled, and dogs began to howl. I asked my neighbor what it was and he said, 'Those are the nazgul. Once they were human, now they are IBM's lawyers.'"<br /> </blockquote><br /> <br /> (IBM is headquartered in Armonk, New York)<br /> <br /> It also has been suggested that this usage can be traced back to the 1969 – 1983 IBM antitrust suit with the United States Department of Justice, but this has not been substantiated.<br /> <br /> Tolkien himself was known to use the term figuratively. In a 1945 letter to his son, he compared his reaction to the aircraft of World War II to how Frodo might have felt if he had discovered Hobbits "learning to ride Nazgûl-birds" (''[[The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien|Letters]]'', 100).<br /> <br /> == See Also ==<br /> * [[:Category:Images of Nazgûl|Images of Nazgûl]]</div>

Lord Aragorn1414 https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=User:Lord_Aragorn1414&diff=28445 User:Lord Aragorn1414 2006-08-07T02:58:15Z

<p>Lord Aragorn1414: </p> <hr /> <div>== A Little About His Lordship==<br /> *I'm a ''huge'' LotR fan<br /> *I also love ''Star Wars'', ''The Simpsons'', ''Spider-man'', and ''Pirates of the Caribbean''.<br /> *Because of this, I contribute at Wookiepedia, WikiSimpsons, LotRwiki, The Sith Lord Wiki, and Spider-man Wiki (all under the name: Lord vader1414). And the Pirates of the Caribbean under the name Davey (Davy) Jones1414.<br /> *My heart belongs to both Tolkein's works and the Star Wars saga, no hurt feelings.<br /> *My LotR merchendice includes: [[The Lord of the Rings]] saga, [[The Hobbit]], various LotR action figures, [[The Return of the King]] and [[The Two Towers]] soundtracks, the motion picture music book (for trombone), the entire extended edition DVD collection, and a sword (possibly the Citidel Gaurd's, although it looks more like a cross between [[Glamdring]] and [[Boromir]]'s sword).<br /> *I'm a jazz musician, and can play many instruments, although I love trombone the most.<br /> *[[Elves]] and [[Men]] are my favorite species, and my favorite characters are: [[Sauron]], [[Aragorn II]], [[Gandalf]] the White, The [[Witch King]], [[Arwen]], The [[Balrog]], [[Morgoth]] and [[Legolas of Mirkwood]].<br /> <br /> [[Image:AragornIIridesintobattle.jpg]]</div>

Lord Aragorn1414 https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=File:The_Lord_of_the_Rings_-_The_Return_of_the_King_-_Aragorn_2.jpg&diff=28444 File:The Lord of the Rings - The Return of the King - Aragorn 2.jpg 2006-08-07T02:56:39Z

<p>Lord Aragorn1414: Aragorn II rides into battle on Brego against the armies of Sauron</p> <hr /> <div>[[Aragorn II]] rides into battle on [[Brego]] against the armies of [[Sauron]]</div>

Lord Aragorn1414 https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=User:Lord_Aragorn1414&diff=28440 User:Lord Aragorn1414 2006-08-07T02:53:17Z

<p>Lord Aragorn1414: </p> <hr /> <div>== A Little About His Lordship==<br /> *I'm a ''huge'' LotR fan<br /> *I also love ''Star Wars'', ''The Simpsons'', ''Spider-man'', and ''Pirates of the Caribbean''.<br /> *Because of this, I contribute at Wookiepedia, WikiSimpsons, LotRwiki, The Sith Lord Wiki, and Spider-man Wiki (all under the name: Lord vader1414). And the Pirates of the Caribbean under the name Davey (Davy) Jones1414.<br /> *My heart belongs to both Tolkein's works and the Star Wars saga, no hurt feelings.<br /> *My LotR merchendice includes: [[The Lord of the Rings]] saga, [[The Hobbit]], various LotR action figures, [[The Return of the King]] and [[The Two Towers]] soundtracks, the motion picture music book (for trombone), the entire extended edition DVD collection, and a sword (possibly the Citidel Gaurd's, although it looks more like a cross between [[Glamdring]] and [[Boromir]]'s sword).<br /> *I'm a jazz musician, and can play many instruments, although I love trombone the most.<br /> *[[Elves]] and [[Men]] are my favorite species, and my favorite characters are: [[Sauron]], [[Aragorn II]], [[Gandalf]] the White, The [[Witch King]], [[Arwen]], The [[Balrog]], [[Morgoth]] and [[Legolas of Mirkwood]].</div>

Lord Aragorn1414 https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=User:Lord_Aragorn1414&diff=28439 User:Lord Aragorn1414 2006-08-07T02:52:36Z

<p>Lord Aragorn1414: </p> <hr /> <div>== A Little About His Lordship==<br /> *I'm a ''huge'' LotR fan<br /> *I also love ''Star Wars'', ''The Simpsons'', ''Spider-man'', and ''Pirates of the Caribbean''.<br /> *Because of this, I contribute at Wookiepedia, WikiSimpsons, LotRwiki, The Sith Lord Wiki, and Spider-man Wiki (all under the name: Lord vader1414). And the Pirates of the Caribbena under the name Davey (Davy) Jones1414.<br /> *My heart belongs to both Tolkein's works and the Star Wars saga, no hurt feelings.<br /> *My LotR merchendice includes: [[The Lord of the Rings]] saga, [[The Hobbit]], various LotR action figures, [[The Return of the King]] and [[The Two Towers]] soundtracks, the motion picture music book (for trombone), the entire extended edition DVD collection, and a sword (possibly the Citidel Gaurd's, although it looks more like a cross between [[Glamdring]] and [[Boromir]]'s sword).<br /> *I'm a jazz musician, and can play many instruments, although I love trombone the most.<br /> *[[Elves]] and [[Men]] are my favorite species, and my favorite characters are: [[Sauron]], [[Aragorn II]], [[Gandalf]] the White, The [[Witch King]], [[Arwen]], The [[Balrog]], [[Morgoth]] and [[Legolas of Mirkwood]].</div>

Lord Aragorn1414 https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Forums:User_awards&diff=28434 Forums:User awards 2006-08-07T02:43:45Z

<p>Lord Aragorn1414: /* Awards */</p> <hr /> <div><div style="background: #eee; border: 1px solid #aaa; padding: 5px">'''[[Main Page|Tolkien Gateway]] &gt; [[Forum:Council|Council]] &gt; {{PAGENAME}}'''</div> [[Category:Council]]<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> I have an idea. To encourage editors to edit, we could have three user templates - gold, silver, and bronze (or if you want more Tolkienish names [[Silima]], [[Mithril]], and [[Tilkal]]) - as templates for their user pages. For instance, a "bronze" template could be displayed on their userpage if they had 500 edits, silver if they had 1000 edits, and gold if they had over 2000 edits. Tell me what you think. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 10:02, 20 June 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :I love it! Some wikis have awards that can be given by anyone at random if they consider the user did something award worthy. This makes it difficult as people have different ideas for when someone accomplished something award-worthy. The edit requirement allows for at least some standard to be used. My only concern is that we might be focusing too much on edits when one person rewriting an entire article is much more helpful than simply a minor edit yet they count for the same. But I think in general the edit requirement is probably our best bet. We'll have to play around with some images, I definitely think the Tolkienish names you suggested are the way to go. We can also create other awards too like "Most active" or "Most knowledgeable" etc. because if we use the 500, 1,000, 2,000 standard people are going to have all the awards pretty fast. I kind of like 1000, 10000, 100000 :) Hm, we also need to make a good standard template that the award image is inside of, something that says "Award" at the bottom to identify the image and so if people have multiple awards all the images have the same theme. Great idea Narfil. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 13:54, 20 June 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Only a relatively small amount of editors will ever reach 1000, and only the more active editors will reach 500. 2000 is certainly something to be proud of (on the other hand, Ebakunin reached it pretty quickly!). I see what you mean about the size of edits, but I don't see a way around it though. I really don't think anyone, excepting yourself, will ever reach 100,000 (unless they work for years). 10,000 may warrant a sort of "super-award", because only a few will reach it. Ideas for other awards are as follows:<br /> <br /> *Most active<br /> *Most knowledgeable<br /> *Best writing (needs a better title)<br /> *Hardest working (also needs a better title)<br /> <br /> But with those we could give "character" awards. For instance, "most knowledgeable" would be, say, the "[[Gandalf]]" award (other suggestions include [[Bilbo]] or [[Rúmil]]). "Most active" would be [[Aragorn]] (or [[Fëanor]]). "Best writing" might be [[Bilbo]]. "Hardest working" could be. . . I would have to think about that one. On the other hand, we might have titles. "Most knowledgeable" would be ''Loremaster award'', or etc. Just some ideas. Anyone can add to the list above. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 14:31, 20 June 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :I uploaded the following image for the "Silima" award:<br /> <br /> [[Image:Silima.jpg|center|150px]]<br /> <br /> :I am looking for a good [[Mithril]] image (see Talk:John Howe - Mithril), but I can probably create good [[Tilkal]] in Bryce. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 21:29, 24 June 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::Not to rush you or anything, Hyarion, but I was wondering if you had started the templates (I sure wish I knew how to do that. . .). Anyway, I'll try and get the Tilkal image done. Should the image be of a chain or just a close up of the texture? I favor the former. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 14:51, 8 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::I've created the following image of [[Tilkal]] in Bryce (Notice that in varying lights it can be red or green; I prefer red, but I shall upload the green just so you can decide which one you prefer):<br /> <br /> [[Image:Tilkal-red.jpg|center|150px]]<br /> <br /> :::It's pretty big, but that was just in case we might need it for something else. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 16:17, 9 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::And Tilkal in green:<br /> <br /> [[Image:Tilkal-green.jpg|center|150px]]<br /> <br /> :::Which do you prefer? --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 21:49, 9 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Well, I've had an idea for the voting for the "other" awards, such as ''most knowledgeable'', etc. We could have it so that any nominations for the award would be posted on this thread. Then the voting would go on for, say, a two-week period of time. Anyone can vote, but at the end of that period the voting is closed and the award is given or denyed. It must be at least a 2/3 majority. I favor for voting the "Barrow-downs" approach: '''++ Example''' or '''-- Example'''. Just an idea. This would also work for contests, though the period of time would be longer. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 09:51, 10 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> :Well, on Wookiepedia, they have "Wookiepedian of the month", could we think of a similar title for us? -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 15:14, 18 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Alright, I've written out a set of rules as a Word document and copied them here. Tell me what you think.<br /> <br /> Gatekeeper Awards<br /> <br /> ==Awards==<br /> ''Following shall be listed awards and their qualifications.''<br /> <br /> '''Highest Award''': ''The highest award given to a Gatekeeper, only to the very best''<br /> : '''Keeper of the Seventh Gate''' – Qualifications: 2+ year participation, outstanding quality of work, advanced knowledge of subject matter, prominent membership, recognized excellence. ''90% Votes''.<br /> <br /> '''Primary Awards''': ''Primary awards are those most sought after; they reflect the overall status of the Gatekeeper''<br /> : '''Silima Award''' – Qualifications: 2000+ edits, exceptional quality of work, and the creation of at least ten prominent articles. ''90% Votes''.<br /> : '''Tilkal Award''' – Qualifications: 1500+ edits, exceptional quality of work, and the creation of at least five prominent articles. ''75% Votes''.<br /> : '''Mithril Award''' – Qualifications: 1000+ edits, high quality of work. ''60% Votes''.<br /> <br /> '''Quality Awards''': ''Quality is defined as an overall status of the writings, taking into play organization and content''<br /> : '''Aulë Award''' – Qualifications: Exceptional quality of work, knowledge of subject matter. ''60% Votes''.<br /> : '''Telchar Award''' – Qualifications: High quality of work. ''50% Votes''.<br /> <br /> '''Loremaster Awards''': ''Loremaster/Knowledgeability Awards are for those who have a great knowledge of Tolkien’s works, and have put this knowledge to good use''<br /> : '''Mandos Award''' – Qualifications: 750+ edits, high quality of work, proven knowledgeability to the point of encyclopedic knowledge. ''50% Votes''.<br /> : '''Rúmil Award''' – Qualifications: 500+ edits, proven knowledgeability. ''50% Votes''.<br /> : '''Lore Rating''' – These are self-given ratings (0–4) on general knowledge. No votes are required.<br /> <br /> '''Activity Awards''': ''Activity Awards are given to those who are prominent, dedicated, and generally active''<br /> : '''Tulkas Award''' – Qualifications: 1000+ edits, high status of activity, talk is exceptionally logical and worthwhile, considerable contributions. ''50% Votes''.<br /> : '''Fëanor Award''' – Qualifications: 750+ edits, high status of activity, talk is worthwhile. ''50% Votes''.<br /> : '''Edit Rating''' – These are self-given ratings, counting the number of edits (1) 500+, (2) 1000+, (3) 2000+, (4) 5000+, (5) 10,000+. Only one, preferably the highest one, may be displayed in the award box.<br /> <br /> '''Gardener Awards''': ''Gardener Awards are for those who are patient and hard-working; who even if they aren’t very knowledgeable they make Tolkien Gateway a better place''<br /> : '''Yavanna Award''' – Qualifications: Active deletion of vandalism and Spam, active correction of spelling, grammar, and incorrect statements, high dedication. ''75% Votes''.<br /> : '''Samwise Award''' – Qualifications: Active general improvement of articles. ''50% Votes''.<br /> <br /> '''Voting'''<br /> : For all awards but the Highest and Primary Awards voting shall be held for a month in a picked voting thread, which it is recommended that all users add to their watchlist. It is impossible that voters remain anonymous if someone wishes to find out, but they do not need to sign their names. They need only place (in bold) a '''++Yes''' or '''--No''' under the columns designated. Highest and Primary Awards shall have a voting span of one month; all others two weeks. At the end of voting the nominator or a picked administrator shall count up the votes, and depending on the figures given above the award may or may not be awarded to the person in question.<br /> <br /> '''Basic Rules:'''<br /> : Any Gatekeeper can nominate another Gatekeeper, but if they nominate someone who does not qualify to the technical qualifications the voting shall be stopped by an Administrator or another.<br /> : Anyone who votes more than once may be at an administrator’s discretion banned for a maximum period of up to two months. Anyone who sees such cheating should report it immediately by placing it on an administrator’s talk page, not in the main voting thread. Any votes for himself/herself shall be deleted and ignored thereafter. If the voting for himself/herself occurs frequently, they may be punished at a picked administrator’s discretion.<br /> <br /> There was something else that I meant to put down, but I can't remember it. Remind me if I've forgotten something<br /> ----<br /> Fantastic job Narfil! Here are some suggestions that popped into my head:<br /> * ''Keeper of the Seventh Gate'' is good, I also like the sound of ''Guard of the Citadel''.<br /> * Personally I like the idea of requiring a higher percentage of votes to gain the rank, for ''Keeper of the Seventh Gate'' for example I might say 90% or even 100%. Maybe we can allow administrators to void one vote per admin or something similar. In my opinion if someone has a valid reason for not wanting to give someone the title it only makes sense to fix the problem before granting the title.<br /> * Maybe we can think of a better title for ''Primary Awards'', although I can't at the moment.<br /> * We also might consider spreading out the edit gap for the ''Primary Awards, like 1,000 and 5,000 or something. Only 500 edits can be obtained fairly easily. Since the awards are so high on the ladder I almost want to raise the edits to 5,000 and 10,000 or something.<br /> * ''and the creation of at least five prominent articles'' - I would consider changing this to something along the lines of ''and the drastically improving'' or something, as at some time all of the major articles will already be created.<br /> * I think the idea for a month voting for an admin/primary/highest and two weeks for the rest is a good estimate for how long it would take.<br /> * There are numerous ways we can vote, another way would be to have subheadings for "Support" and "Object", the user puts down their username under the heading of their choice and a reason if they want to, a reason would be required for Objections.<br /> * I think we'll have to create a template for placing awards in userpages, like a trophy box. I also like the idea of having all the awards look a certain style and list the name of the award at the bottom of the image. Some 'template' for the image so it doesn't just look like a random picture.<br /> You've got some great ideas though! I'll wait a few more days for everyone to respond and we'll move the information to a permanent page, I think voting should be held off until we get a few more regulars however. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 22:58, 25 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :You just pointed out exactly what I forgot! The creation of an article is, at the voter's discretion, either a completely new prominent article, or the drastic rise from a small article into an organized, complete, and detailed one. The person would be "creating" the article, even if it were already in existance. There are only so many Tolkien subjects, you know, so we might have several other options. . .<br /> :I had been thinking about raising the edit number. It might be a better idea to raise it up to 2000, 5000, and 10,000; or, if we want it simpler (considering that more is required than just a number of edits), 1000, 2500, and 5000. By Seventh Gate, I meant, by the way, the [[Great Gate of Gondolin]]; the [[Gate of Steel]].<br /> :I'll think about what you said about raising the percentage on the more important awards. It does sound good to me. Thanks for your feedback. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 08:42, 26 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Now, if you were to be nominated for a reward, would you be told on your talk page, or what? -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 14:21, 26 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::Great question Aragorn. I think its a good idea to notify the person on the talk page, we can setup a "You have been nominated" template. However I think the person shouldn't be notified right a way because say for example they were nominated for ''Keeper of the Seventh Gate'' when they only had 56 edits and had been registered for 2 weeks, there is no point, so maybe after 24 hours we can add the template, or "at the users discretion" for adding it. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 14:33, 26 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::Good idea. I like it. Now, if only we could get some graphics for the awards... -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 14:53, 26 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::::I'll be happy to do so. What I can do for most of the awards is find images, crop them, and upload them. We already have images for the Silima and Tilkal awards (unless someone objects to them; and I would still like to know Red or Green), and we should be able to find others for the other awards. For instance, I don't know of any Tolkien artist that did [[Aulë]] except [[Ted Nasmith]]. If we cropped the image so that it got his head and maybe a bit of the hammer. . . etc. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 15:18, 26 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::::Well, green is easier to see, but I think red looks best. shall we go with that? -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 11:12, 27 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::::::I agree, green is easier to see. Is there anyway we can add some more color to the outline of the ring to give it more of a solid state? I also still like the idea of including all of the awards in a "template" which has maybe some kind of border, a specific size, and the name of the award at the bottom of the image. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 11:39, 27 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::::::Yeah, that IS a good idea. Now, about that ring, maybe we could blend the red and green, so that it looks, in short, like what the Silmarillion said. Varying in different light. -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 12:05, 27 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::::::::I see what you mean about it being both red and green. Unfortunately, it mostly depends on the lighting I gave it. I could make Tilkal shine pretty much any color because of the lighting (and a little tweaking of the colors). I might be able to do something in Photoshop, though. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 13:17, 27 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::::::::Okay then. Let's give it a shot and see what we can do, shall we? -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 11:51, 28 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::::::::::I'm sorry, but it won't work. We'll have to go with one or the other, or come up with something else. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 16:08, 28 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::::::::::Alright then, green is my vote. Oh, one last question. When do these awards go into effect, or play, or whatever you want to call it? -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 14:19, 3 August 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::::::::::::Personally I think we should wait until we have a few more active contributors, at least 10 or so before having any kind of voting. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 14:23, 3 August 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::::::::::::We don't have that many yet? Wow, we need to get our name out there, don't we? So, when should the awards go into effect?-[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 12:23, 4 August 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::::::::::::::However long it takes to get some more contributors :) a month or two I would guess. But we also need to create images for all these awards. I know there's a lot of people out there who would contribute, it's just a matter of making them aware of the site, maybe we can talk to some Wookieepedians, a lot of SW fans are Tolkien fans too. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 13:14, 4 August 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> I have the award picture for Keeper of the Seventh Gate (I'm building it myself). But I need a little help. I need the translation of "''Keeper of the Seventh Gate''" into [[Quenya]]. As soon as I have that I'll upload an image of the project for your critizism. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 16:47, 4 August 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> <br /> Here's the [[Telchar]] award image. It doesn't look that great, but took a lot of work. Originally I had two pictures: that of a sword and that of a blacksmith hammering a small hook on an anvil. I wiped out the hook, then put the copy-and-paste sword-blade on top. Then, using a paintbrush, I tried to give it a "hot" look. If anyone has any better images, they would be welcome. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 21:06, 4 August 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> [[Image:Telchar Award Image.jpg|center|150px]]<br /> <br /> :Well, Narfil, I have a picture of a sword that looks a little more Tolkien-y. If you want to do some more work, I'll upload the pic and you can photoshop the image to fit. If not, then that's fine.-[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 16:45, 6 August 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::Well, the point is sort of to have a hot sword or like implement upon an anvil. The sword itself really doesn't have to be very interesting, so long as it isn't clearly un-Tolkienish. If you could find a picture better than mine, or a painting of Telchar, that might be better, though. . .--[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 20:29, 6 August 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::[[Image:Telchar thumb-1-.jpg]] This is the best I could find, but it's a thumb, so I don't know if it will work. -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 22:43, 6 August 2006 (EDT)</div>

Lord Aragorn1414 https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Forums:User_awards&diff=28365 Forums:User awards 2006-08-06T20:46:11Z

<p>Lord Aragorn1414: /* Awards */</p> <hr /> <div><div style="background: #eee; border: 1px solid #aaa; padding: 5px">'''[[Main Page|Tolkien Gateway]] &gt; [[Forum:Council|Council]] &gt; {{PAGENAME}}'''</div> [[Category:Council]]<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> I have an idea. To encourage editors to edit, we could have three user templates - gold, silver, and bronze (or if you want more Tolkienish names [[Silima]], [[Mithril]], and [[Tilkal]]) - as templates for their user pages. For instance, a "bronze" template could be displayed on their userpage if they had 500 edits, silver if they had 1000 edits, and gold if they had over 2000 edits. Tell me what you think. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 10:02, 20 June 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :I love it! Some wikis have awards that can be given by anyone at random if they consider the user did something award worthy. This makes it difficult as people have different ideas for when someone accomplished something award-worthy. The edit requirement allows for at least some standard to be used. My only concern is that we might be focusing too much on edits when one person rewriting an entire article is much more helpful than simply a minor edit yet they count for the same. But I think in general the edit requirement is probably our best bet. We'll have to play around with some images, I definitely think the Tolkienish names you suggested are the way to go. We can also create other awards too like "Most active" or "Most knowledgeable" etc. because if we use the 500, 1,000, 2,000 standard people are going to have all the awards pretty fast. I kind of like 1000, 10000, 100000 :) Hm, we also need to make a good standard template that the award image is inside of, something that says "Award" at the bottom to identify the image and so if people have multiple awards all the images have the same theme. Great idea Narfil. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 13:54, 20 June 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Only a relatively small amount of editors will ever reach 1000, and only the more active editors will reach 500. 2000 is certainly something to be proud of (on the other hand, Ebakunin reached it pretty quickly!). I see what you mean about the size of edits, but I don't see a way around it though. I really don't think anyone, excepting yourself, will ever reach 100,000 (unless they work for years). 10,000 may warrant a sort of "super-award", because only a few will reach it. Ideas for other awards are as follows:<br /> <br /> *Most active<br /> *Most knowledgeable<br /> *Best writing (needs a better title)<br /> *Hardest working (also needs a better title)<br /> <br /> But with those we could give "character" awards. For instance, "most knowledgeable" would be, say, the "[[Gandalf]]" award (other suggestions include [[Bilbo]] or [[Rúmil]]). "Most active" would be [[Aragorn]] (or [[Fëanor]]). "Best writing" might be [[Bilbo]]. "Hardest working" could be. . . I would have to think about that one. On the other hand, we might have titles. "Most knowledgeable" would be ''Loremaster award'', or etc. Just some ideas. Anyone can add to the list above. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 14:31, 20 June 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :I uploaded the following image for the "Silima" award:<br /> <br /> [[Image:Silima.jpg|center|150px]]<br /> <br /> :I am looking for a good [[Mithril]] image (see Talk:John Howe - Mithril), but I can probably create good [[Tilkal]] in Bryce. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 21:29, 24 June 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::Not to rush you or anything, Hyarion, but I was wondering if you had started the templates (I sure wish I knew how to do that. . .). Anyway, I'll try and get the Tilkal image done. Should the image be of a chain or just a close up of the texture? I favor the former. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 14:51, 8 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::I've created the following image of [[Tilkal]] in Bryce (Notice that in varying lights it can be red or green; I prefer red, but I shall upload the green just so you can decide which one you prefer):<br /> <br /> [[Image:Tilkal-red.jpg|center|150px]]<br /> <br /> :::It's pretty big, but that was just in case we might need it for something else. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 16:17, 9 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::And Tilkal in green:<br /> <br /> [[Image:Tilkal-green.jpg|center|150px]]<br /> <br /> :::Which do you prefer? --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 21:49, 9 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Well, I've had an idea for the voting for the "other" awards, such as ''most knowledgeable'', etc. We could have it so that any nominations for the award would be posted on this thread. Then the voting would go on for, say, a two-week period of time. Anyone can vote, but at the end of that period the voting is closed and the award is given or denyed. It must be at least a 2/3 majority. I favor for voting the "Barrow-downs" approach: '''++ Example''' or '''-- Example'''. Just an idea. This would also work for contests, though the period of time would be longer. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 09:51, 10 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> :Well, on Wookiepedia, they have "Wookiepedian of the month", could we think of a similar title for us? -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 15:14, 18 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Alright, I've written out a set of rules as a Word document and copied them here. Tell me what you think.<br /> <br /> Gatekeeper Awards<br /> <br /> ==Awards==<br /> ''Following shall be listed awards and their qualifications.''<br /> <br /> '''Highest Award''': ''The highest award given to a Gatekeeper, only to the very best''<br /> : '''Keeper of the Seventh Gate''' – Qualifications: 2+ year participation, outstanding quality of work, advanced knowledge of subject matter, prominent membership, recognized excellence. ''90% Votes''.<br /> <br /> '''Primary Awards''': ''Primary awards are those most sought after; they reflect the overall status of the Gatekeeper''<br /> : '''Silima Award''' – Qualifications: 2000+ edits, exceptional quality of work, and the creation of at least ten prominent articles. ''90% Votes''.<br /> : '''Tilkal Award''' – Qualifications: 1500+ edits, exceptional quality of work, and the creation of at least five prominent articles. ''75% Votes''.<br /> : '''Mithril Award''' – Qualifications: 1000+ edits, high quality of work. ''60% Votes''.<br /> <br /> '''Quality Awards''': ''Quality is defined as an overall status of the writings, taking into play organization and content''<br /> : '''Aulë Award''' – Qualifications: Exceptional quality of work, knowledge of subject matter. ''60% Votes''.<br /> : '''Telchar Award''' – Qualifications: High quality of work. ''50% Votes''.<br /> <br /> '''Loremaster Awards''': ''Loremaster/Knowledgeability Awards are for those who have a great knowledge of Tolkien’s works, and have put this knowledge to good use''<br /> : '''Mandos Award''' – Qualifications: 750+ edits, high quality of work, proven knowledgeability to the point of encyclopedic knowledge. ''50% Votes''.<br /> : '''Rúmil Award''' – Qualifications: 500+ edits, proven knowledgeability. ''50% Votes''.<br /> : '''Lore Rating''' – These are self-given ratings (0–4) on general knowledge. No votes are required.<br /> <br /> '''Activity Awards''': ''Activity Awards are given to those who are prominent, dedicated, and generally active''<br /> : '''Tulkas Award''' – Qualifications: 1000+ edits, high status of activity, talk is exceptionally logical and worthwhile, considerable contributions. ''50% Votes''.<br /> : '''Fëanor Award''' – Qualifications: 750+ edits, high status of activity, talk is worthwhile. ''50% Votes''.<br /> : '''Edit Rating''' – These are self-given ratings, counting the number of edits (1) 500+, (2) 1000+, (3) 2000+, (4) 5000+, (5) 10,000+. Only one, preferably the highest one, may be displayed in the award box.<br /> <br /> '''Gardener Awards''': ''Gardener Awards are for those who are patient and hard-working; who even if they aren’t very knowledgeable they make Tolkien Gateway a better place''<br /> : '''Yavanna Award''' – Qualifications: Active deletion of vandalism and Spam, active correction of spelling, grammar, and incorrect statements, high dedication. ''75% Votes''.<br /> : '''Samwise Award''' – Qualifications: Active general improvement of articles. ''50% Votes''.<br /> <br /> '''Voting'''<br /> : For all awards but the Highest and Primary Awards voting shall be held for a month in a picked voting thread, which it is recommended that all users add to their watchlist. It is impossible that voters remain anonymous if someone wishes to find out, but they do not need to sign their names. They need only place (in bold) a '''++Yes''' or '''--No''' under the columns designated. Highest and Primary Awards shall have a voting span of one month; all others two weeks. At the end of voting the nominator or a picked administrator shall count up the votes, and depending on the figures given above the award may or may not be awarded to the person in question.<br /> <br /> '''Basic Rules:'''<br /> : Any Gatekeeper can nominate another Gatekeeper, but if they nominate someone who does not qualify to the technical qualifications the voting shall be stopped by an Administrator or another.<br /> : Anyone who votes more than once may be at an administrator’s discretion banned for a maximum period of up to two months. Anyone who sees such cheating should report it immediately by placing it on an administrator’s talk page, not in the main voting thread. Any votes for himself/herself shall be deleted and ignored thereafter. If the voting for himself/herself occurs frequently, they may be punished at a picked administrator’s discretion.<br /> <br /> There was something else that I meant to put down, but I can't remember it. Remind me if I've forgotten something<br /> ----<br /> Fantastic job Narfil! Here are some suggestions that popped into my head:<br /> * ''Keeper of the Seventh Gate'' is good, I also like the sound of ''Guard of the Citadel''.<br /> * Personally I like the idea of requiring a higher percentage of votes to gain the rank, for ''Keeper of the Seventh Gate'' for example I might say 90% or even 100%. Maybe we can allow administrators to void one vote per admin or something similar. In my opinion if someone has a valid reason for not wanting to give someone the title it only makes sense to fix the problem before granting the title.<br /> * Maybe we can think of a better title for ''Primary Awards'', although I can't at the moment.<br /> * We also might consider spreading out the edit gap for the ''Primary Awards, like 1,000 and 5,000 or something. Only 500 edits can be obtained fairly easily. Since the awards are so high on the ladder I almost want to raise the edits to 5,000 and 10,000 or something.<br /> * ''and the creation of at least five prominent articles'' - I would consider changing this to something along the lines of ''and the drastically improving'' or something, as at some time all of the major articles will already be created.<br /> * I think the idea for a month voting for an admin/primary/highest and two weeks for the rest is a good estimate for how long it would take.<br /> * There are numerous ways we can vote, another way would be to have subheadings for "Support" and "Object", the user puts down their username under the heading of their choice and a reason if they want to, a reason would be required for Objections.<br /> * I think we'll have to create a template for placing awards in userpages, like a trophy box. I also like the idea of having all the awards look a certain style and list the name of the award at the bottom of the image. Some 'template' for the image so it doesn't just look like a random picture.<br /> You've got some great ideas though! I'll wait a few more days for everyone to respond and we'll move the information to a permanent page, I think voting should be held off until we get a few more regulars however. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 22:58, 25 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :You just pointed out exactly what I forgot! The creation of an article is, at the voter's discretion, either a completely new prominent article, or the drastic rise from a small article into an organized, complete, and detailed one. The person would be "creating" the article, even if it were already in existance. There are only so many Tolkien subjects, you know, so we might have several other options. . .<br /> :I had been thinking about raising the edit number. It might be a better idea to raise it up to 2000, 5000, and 10,000; or, if we want it simpler (considering that more is required than just a number of edits), 1000, 2500, and 5000. By Seventh Gate, I meant, by the way, the [[Great Gate of Gondolin]]; the [[Gate of Steel]].<br /> :I'll think about what you said about raising the percentage on the more important awards. It does sound good to me. Thanks for your feedback. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 08:42, 26 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Now, if you were to be nominated for a reward, would you be told on your talk page, or what? -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 14:21, 26 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::Great question Aragorn. I think its a good idea to notify the person on the talk page, we can setup a "You have been nominated" template. However I think the person shouldn't be notified right a way because say for example they were nominated for ''Keeper of the Seventh Gate'' when they only had 56 edits and had been registered for 2 weeks, there is no point, so maybe after 24 hours we can add the template, or "at the users discretion" for adding it. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 14:33, 26 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::Good idea. I like it. Now, if only we could get some graphics for the awards... -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 14:53, 26 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::::I'll be happy to do so. What I can do for most of the awards is find images, crop them, and upload them. We already have images for the Silima and Tilkal awards (unless someone objects to them; and I would still like to know Red or Green), and we should be able to find others for the other awards. For instance, I don't know of any Tolkien artist that did [[Aulë]] except [[Ted Nasmith]]. If we cropped the image so that it got his head and maybe a bit of the hammer. . . etc. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 15:18, 26 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::::Well, green is easier to see, but I think red looks best. shall we go with that? -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 11:12, 27 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::::::I agree, green is easier to see. Is there anyway we can add some more color to the outline of the ring to give it more of a solid state? I also still like the idea of including all of the awards in a "template" which has maybe some kind of border, a specific size, and the name of the award at the bottom of the image. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 11:39, 27 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::::::Yeah, that IS a good idea. Now, about that ring, maybe we could blend the red and green, so that it looks, in short, like what the Silmarillion said. Varying in different light. -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 12:05, 27 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::::::::I see what you mean about it being both red and green. Unfortunately, it mostly depends on the lighting I gave it. I could make Tilkal shine pretty much any color because of the lighting (and a little tweaking of the colors). I might be able to do something in Photoshop, though. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 13:17, 27 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::::::::Okay then. Let's give it a shot and see what we can do, shall we? -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 11:51, 28 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::::::::::I'm sorry, but it won't work. We'll have to go with one or the other, or come up with something else. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 16:08, 28 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::::::::::Alright then, green is my vote. Oh, one last question. When do these awards go into effect, or play, or whatever you want to call it? -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 14:19, 3 August 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::::::::::::Personally I think we should wait until we have a few more active contributors, at least 10 or so before having any kind of voting. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 14:23, 3 August 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::::::::::::We don't have that many yet? Wow, we need to get our name out there, don't we? So, when should the awards go into effect?-[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 12:23, 4 August 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::::::::::::::However long it takes to get some more contributors :) a month or two I would guess. But we also need to create images for all these awards. I know there's a lot of people out there who would contribute, it's just a matter of making them aware of the site, maybe we can talk to some Wookieepedians, a lot of SW fans are Tolkien fans too. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 13:14, 4 August 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> I have the award picture for Keeper of the Seventh Gate (I'm building it myself). But I need a little help. I need the translation of "''Keeper of the Seventh Gate''" into [[Quenya]]. As soon as I have that I'll upload an image of the project for your critizism. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 16:47, 4 August 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> <br /> Here's the [[Telchar]] award image. It doesn't look that great, but took a lot of work. Originally I had two pictures: that of a sword and that of a blacksmith hammering a small hook on an anvil. I wiped out the hook, then put the copy-and-paste sword-blade on top. Then, using a paintbrush, I tried to give it a "hot" look. If anyone has any better images, they would be welcome. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 21:06, 4 August 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> [[Image:Telchar Award Image.jpg|center|150px]]<br /> <br /> :Well, Narfil, I have a picture of a sword that looks a little more Tolkien-y. If you want to do some more work, I'll upload the pic and you can photoshop the immage to fit. If not, then that's fine.-[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 16:45, 6 August 2006 (EDT)</div>

Lord Aragorn1414 https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Forums:User_awards&diff=28364 Forums:User awards 2006-08-06T20:45:19Z

<p>Lord Aragorn1414: /* Awards */</p> <hr /> <div><div style="background: #eee; border: 1px solid #aaa; padding: 5px">'''[[Main Page|Tolkien Gateway]] &gt; [[Forum:Council|Council]] &gt; {{PAGENAME}}'''</div> [[Category:Council]]<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> I have an idea. To encourage editors to edit, we could have three user templates - gold, silver, and bronze (or if you want more Tolkienish names [[Silima]], [[Mithril]], and [[Tilkal]]) - as templates for their user pages. For instance, a "bronze" template could be displayed on their userpage if they had 500 edits, silver if they had 1000 edits, and gold if they had over 2000 edits. Tell me what you think. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 10:02, 20 June 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :I love it! Some wikis have awards that can be given by anyone at random if they consider the user did something award worthy. This makes it difficult as people have different ideas for when someone accomplished something award-worthy. The edit requirement allows for at least some standard to be used. My only concern is that we might be focusing too much on edits when one person rewriting an entire article is much more helpful than simply a minor edit yet they count for the same. But I think in general the edit requirement is probably our best bet. We'll have to play around with some images, I definitely think the Tolkienish names you suggested are the way to go. We can also create other awards too like "Most active" or "Most knowledgeable" etc. because if we use the 500, 1,000, 2,000 standard people are going to have all the awards pretty fast. I kind of like 1000, 10000, 100000 :) Hm, we also need to make a good standard template that the award image is inside of, something that says "Award" at the bottom to identify the image and so if people have multiple awards all the images have the same theme. Great idea Narfil. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 13:54, 20 June 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Only a relatively small amount of editors will ever reach 1000, and only the more active editors will reach 500. 2000 is certainly something to be proud of (on the other hand, Ebakunin reached it pretty quickly!). I see what you mean about the size of edits, but I don't see a way around it though. I really don't think anyone, excepting yourself, will ever reach 100,000 (unless they work for years). 10,000 may warrant a sort of "super-award", because only a few will reach it. Ideas for other awards are as follows:<br /> <br /> *Most active<br /> *Most knowledgeable<br /> *Best writing (needs a better title)<br /> *Hardest working (also needs a better title)<br /> <br /> But with those we could give "character" awards. For instance, "most knowledgeable" would be, say, the "[[Gandalf]]" award (other suggestions include [[Bilbo]] or [[Rúmil]]). "Most active" would be [[Aragorn]] (or [[Fëanor]]). "Best writing" might be [[Bilbo]]. "Hardest working" could be. . . I would have to think about that one. On the other hand, we might have titles. "Most knowledgeable" would be ''Loremaster award'', or etc. Just some ideas. Anyone can add to the list above. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 14:31, 20 June 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :I uploaded the following image for the "Silima" award:<br /> <br /> [[Image:Silima.jpg|center|150px]]<br /> <br /> :I am looking for a good [[Mithril]] image (see Talk:John Howe - Mithril), but I can probably create good [[Tilkal]] in Bryce. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 21:29, 24 June 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::Not to rush you or anything, Hyarion, but I was wondering if you had started the templates (I sure wish I knew how to do that. . .). Anyway, I'll try and get the Tilkal image done. Should the image be of a chain or just a close up of the texture? I favor the former. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 14:51, 8 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::I've created the following image of [[Tilkal]] in Bryce (Notice that in varying lights it can be red or green; I prefer red, but I shall upload the green just so you can decide which one you prefer):<br /> <br /> [[Image:Tilkal-red.jpg|center|150px]]<br /> <br /> :::It's pretty big, but that was just in case we might need it for something else. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 16:17, 9 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::And Tilkal in green:<br /> <br /> [[Image:Tilkal-green.jpg|center|150px]]<br /> <br /> :::Which do you prefer? --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 21:49, 9 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Well, I've had an idea for the voting for the "other" awards, such as ''most knowledgeable'', etc. We could have it so that any nominations for the award would be posted on this thread. Then the voting would go on for, say, a two-week period of time. Anyone can vote, but at the end of that period the voting is closed and the award is given or denyed. It must be at least a 2/3 majority. I favor for voting the "Barrow-downs" approach: '''++ Example''' or '''-- Example'''. Just an idea. This would also work for contests, though the period of time would be longer. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 09:51, 10 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> :Well, on Wookiepedia, they have "Wookiepedian of the month", could we think of a similar title for us? -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 15:14, 18 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Alright, I've written out a set of rules as a Word document and copied them here. Tell me what you think.<br /> <br /> Gatekeeper Awards<br /> <br /> ==Awards==<br /> ''Following shall be listed awards and their qualifications.''<br /> <br /> '''Highest Award''': ''The highest award given to a Gatekeeper, only to the very best''<br /> : '''Keeper of the Seventh Gate''' – Qualifications: 2+ year participation, outstanding quality of work, advanced knowledge of subject matter, prominent membership, recognized excellence. ''90% Votes''.<br /> <br /> '''Primary Awards''': ''Primary awards are those most sought after; they reflect the overall status of the Gatekeeper''<br /> : '''Silima Award''' – Qualifications: 2000+ edits, exceptional quality of work, and the creation of at least ten prominent articles. ''90% Votes''.<br /> : '''Tilkal Award''' – Qualifications: 1500+ edits, exceptional quality of work, and the creation of at least five prominent articles. ''75% Votes''.<br /> : '''Mithril Award''' – Qualifications: 1000+ edits, high quality of work. ''60% Votes''.<br /> <br /> '''Quality Awards''': ''Quality is defined as an overall status of the writings, taking into play organization and content''<br /> : '''Aulë Award''' – Qualifications: Exceptional quality of work, knowledge of subject matter. ''60% Votes''.<br /> : '''Telchar Award''' – Qualifications: High quality of work. ''50% Votes''.<br /> <br /> '''Loremaster Awards''': ''Loremaster/Knowledgeability Awards are for those who have a great knowledge of Tolkien’s works, and have put this knowledge to good use''<br /> : '''Mandos Award''' – Qualifications: 750+ edits, high quality of work, proven knowledgeability to the point of encyclopedic knowledge. ''50% Votes''.<br /> : '''Rúmil Award''' – Qualifications: 500+ edits, proven knowledgeability. ''50% Votes''.<br /> : '''Lore Rating''' – These are self-given ratings (0–4) on general knowledge. No votes are required.<br /> <br /> '''Activity Awards''': ''Activity Awards are given to those who are prominent, dedicated, and generally active''<br /> : '''Tulkas Award''' – Qualifications: 1000+ edits, high status of activity, talk is exceptionally logical and worthwhile, considerable contributions. ''50% Votes''.<br /> : '''Fëanor Award''' – Qualifications: 750+ edits, high status of activity, talk is worthwhile. ''50% Votes''.<br /> : '''Edit Rating''' – These are self-given ratings, counting the number of edits (1) 500+, (2) 1000+, (3) 2000+, (4) 5000+, (5) 10,000+. Only one, preferably the highest one, may be displayed in the award box.<br /> <br /> '''Gardener Awards''': ''Gardener Awards are for those who are patient and hard-working; who even if they aren’t very knowledgeable they make Tolkien Gateway a better place''<br /> : '''Yavanna Award''' – Qualifications: Active deletion of vandalism and Spam, active correction of spelling, grammar, and incorrect statements, high dedication. ''75% Votes''.<br /> : '''Samwise Award''' – Qualifications: Active general improvement of articles. ''50% Votes''.<br /> <br /> '''Voting'''<br /> : For all awards but the Highest and Primary Awards voting shall be held for a month in a picked voting thread, which it is recommended that all users add to their watchlist. It is impossible that voters remain anonymous if someone wishes to find out, but they do not need to sign their names. They need only place (in bold) a '''++Yes''' or '''--No''' under the columns designated. Highest and Primary Awards shall have a voting span of one month; all others two weeks. At the end of voting the nominator or a picked administrator shall count up the votes, and depending on the figures given above the award may or may not be awarded to the person in question.<br /> <br /> '''Basic Rules:'''<br /> : Any Gatekeeper can nominate another Gatekeeper, but if they nominate someone who does not qualify to the technical qualifications the voting shall be stopped by an Administrator or another.<br /> : Anyone who votes more than once may be at an administrator’s discretion banned for a maximum period of up to two months. Anyone who sees such cheating should report it immediately by placing it on an administrator’s talk page, not in the main voting thread. Any votes for himself/herself shall be deleted and ignored thereafter. If the voting for himself/herself occurs frequently, they may be punished at a picked administrator’s discretion.<br /> <br /> There was something else that I meant to put down, but I can't remember it. Remind me if I've forgotten something<br /> ----<br /> Fantastic job Narfil! Here are some suggestions that popped into my head:<br /> * ''Keeper of the Seventh Gate'' is good, I also like the sound of ''Guard of the Citadel''.<br /> * Personally I like the idea of requiring a higher percentage of votes to gain the rank, for ''Keeper of the Seventh Gate'' for example I might say 90% or even 100%. Maybe we can allow administrators to void one vote per admin or something similar. In my opinion if someone has a valid reason for not wanting to give someone the title it only makes sense to fix the problem before granting the title.<br /> * Maybe we can think of a better title for ''Primary Awards'', although I can't at the moment.<br /> * We also might consider spreading out the edit gap for the ''Primary Awards, like 1,000 and 5,000 or something. Only 500 edits can be obtained fairly easily. Since the awards are so high on the ladder I almost want to raise the edits to 5,000 and 10,000 or something.<br /> * ''and the creation of at least five prominent articles'' - I would consider changing this to something along the lines of ''and the drastically improving'' or something, as at some time all of the major articles will already be created.<br /> * I think the idea for a month voting for an admin/primary/highest and two weeks for the rest is a good estimate for how long it would take.<br /> * There are numerous ways we can vote, another way would be to have subheadings for "Support" and "Object", the user puts down their username under the heading of their choice and a reason if they want to, a reason would be required for Objections.<br /> * I think we'll have to create a template for placing awards in userpages, like a trophy box. I also like the idea of having all the awards look a certain style and list the name of the award at the bottom of the image. Some 'template' for the image so it doesn't just look like a random picture.<br /> You've got some great ideas though! I'll wait a few more days for everyone to respond and we'll move the information to a permanent page, I think voting should be held off until we get a few more regulars however. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 22:58, 25 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :You just pointed out exactly what I forgot! The creation of an article is, at the voter's discretion, either a completely new prominent article, or the drastic rise from a small article into an organized, complete, and detailed one. The person would be "creating" the article, even if it were already in existance. There are only so many Tolkien subjects, you know, so we might have several other options. . .<br /> :I had been thinking about raising the edit number. It might be a better idea to raise it up to 2000, 5000, and 10,000; or, if we want it simpler (considering that more is required than just a number of edits), 1000, 2500, and 5000. By Seventh Gate, I meant, by the way, the [[Great Gate of Gondolin]]; the [[Gate of Steel]].<br /> :I'll think about what you said about raising the percentage on the more important awards. It does sound good to me. Thanks for your feedback. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 08:42, 26 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Now, if you were to be nominated for a reward, would you be told on your talk page, or what? -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 14:21, 26 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::Great question Aragorn. I think its a good idea to notify the person on the talk page, we can setup a "You have been nominated" template. However I think the person shouldn't be notified right a way because say for example they were nominated for ''Keeper of the Seventh Gate'' when they only had 56 edits and had been registered for 2 weeks, there is no point, so maybe after 24 hours we can add the template, or "at the users discretion" for adding it. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 14:33, 26 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::Good idea. I like it. Now, if only we could get some graphics for the awards... -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 14:53, 26 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::::I'll be happy to do so. What I can do for most of the awards is find images, crop them, and upload them. We already have images for the Silima and Tilkal awards (unless someone objects to them; and I would still like to know Red or Green), and we should be able to find others for the other awards. For instance, I don't know of any Tolkien artist that did [[Aulë]] except [[Ted Nasmith]]. If we cropped the image so that it got his head and maybe a bit of the hammer. . . etc. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 15:18, 26 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::::Well, green is easier to see, but I think red looks best. shall we go with that? -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 11:12, 27 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::::::I agree, green is easier to see. Is there anyway we can add some more color to the outline of the ring to give it more of a solid state? I also still like the idea of including all of the awards in a "template" which has maybe some kind of border, a specific size, and the name of the award at the bottom of the image. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 11:39, 27 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::::::Yeah, that IS a good idea. Now, about that ring, maybe we could blend the red and green, so that it looks, in short, like what the Silmarillion said. Varying in different light. -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 12:05, 27 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::::::::I see what you mean about it being both red and green. Unfortunately, it mostly depends on the lighting I gave it. I could make Tilkal shine pretty much any color because of the lighting (and a little tweaking of the colors). I might be able to do something in Photoshop, though. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 13:17, 27 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::::::::Okay then. Let's give it a shot and see what we can do, shall we? -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 11:51, 28 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::::::::::I'm sorry, but it won't work. We'll have to go with one or the other, or come up with something else. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 16:08, 28 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::::::::::Alright then, green is my vote. Oh, one last question. When do these awards go into effect, or play, or whatever you want to call it? -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 14:19, 3 August 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::::::::::::Personally I think we should wait until we have a few more active contributors, at least 10 or so before having any kind of voting. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 14:23, 3 August 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::::::::::::We don't have that many yet? Wow, we need to get our name out there, don't we? So, when should the awards go into effect?-[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 12:23, 4 August 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::::::::::::::However long it takes to get some more contributors :) a month or two I would guess. But we also need to create images for all these awards. I know there's a lot of people out there who would contribute, it's just a matter of making them aware of the site, maybe we can talk to some Wookieepedians, a lot of SW fans are Tolkien fans too. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 13:14, 4 August 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> I have the award picture for Keeper of the Seventh Gate (I'm building it myself). But I need a little help. I need the translation of "''Keeper of the Seventh Gate''" into [[Quenya]]. As soon as I have that I'll upload an image of the project for your critizism. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 16:47, 4 August 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> <br /> Here's the [[Telchar]] award image. It doesn't look that great, but took a lot of work. Originally I had two pictures: that of a sword and that of a blacksmith hammering a small hook on an anvil. I wiped out the hook, then put the copy-and-paste sword-blade on top. Then, using a paintbrush, I tried to give it a "hot" look. If anyone has any better images, they would be welcome. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 21:06, 4 August 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> [[Image:Telchar Award Image.jpg|center|150px]]<br /> <br /> :Well, Narfil, I have a picture of a sword that looks a little more Tolkien-y. If you want to do some more work, I'll upload the pic and you can photoshop the immage to fit. If not, then that's fine.-[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 16:45, 6 August 2006 (EDT)</div>

Lord Aragorn1414 https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Fellowship_of_the_Ring&diff=28189 Fellowship of the Ring 2006-08-04T16:31:21Z

<p>Lord Aragorn1414: </p> <hr /> <div>{{quote|Nine, to match the nine [[ringwraiths]]. You shall be The Fellowship of the Ring!|[[Elrond]]}}<br /> (See also ''[[The Fellowship of the Ring]]'', the first book of ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'' trilogy)<br /> <br /> The '''Fellowship of the Ring''' were the nine who set out from [[Rivendell]] on the [[Quest of Mount Doom]], under the leadership of [[Gandalf]], seeking to destroy [[Sauron]]'s [[One Ring]]. They were also called the '''Company of the Ring''' and the '''Nine Walkers''' (in opposition of "[[The Nine]]" [[Ringwraiths]] who pursued them).<br /> <br /> The members of the Fellowship were:<br /> <br /> * [[Gandalf the Grey]] — One of the [[Wizards]] sent to [[Middle-earth]] by the [[Valar]]. He was the leader of the Fellowship<br /> * [[Aragorn II|Aragorn]] son [[Arathorn II|Arathorn]] — The [[Chieftain of the North|Chieftain]] of the [[Rangers of the North]] and the last heir to the throne of [[Gondor]] and [[Arnor]]<br /> * [[Boromir son of Denethor II|Boromir]] son of [[Denethor II|Denethor]] — A Captain of [[Gondor]] and next-in-line to be the [[Ruling Steward]] of Gondor<br /> * [[Legolas of Mirkwood|Legolas]] son of [[Thranduil]] — Prince of the [[Elves of Mirkwood]]<br /> * [[Gimli]] son of [[Glóin son of Gróin|Gloin]] — A [[Dwarves|Dwarf]] of [[Lonely Mountain]]<br /> * [[Frodo Baggins]] — A [[Hobbit]] from the [[Shire]], he was chosen to carry the [[One Ring]]<br /> * [[Samwise Gamgee]] — A Hobbit, he was Frodo's gardener and a close friend<br /> * [[Meriadoc Brandybuck|Meriadoc "Merry" Brandybuck]] — A Hobbit and cousin of Frodo, he and Pippin were best-friends<br /> * [[Peregrin Took|Peregrin "Pippin" Took]] — A Hobbit and also a cousin of Frodo, he was the youngest of the Fellowship<br /> <br /> {{fellowship}}<br /> <br /> [[Category:Organizations]]</div>

Lord Aragorn1414 https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Forums:User_awards&diff=28188 Forums:User awards 2006-08-04T16:23:20Z

<p>Lord Aragorn1414: /* Awards */</p> <hr /> <div><div style="background: #eee; border: 1px solid #aaa; padding: 5px">'''[[Main Page|Tolkien Gateway]] &gt; [[Forum:Council|Council]] &gt; {{PAGENAME}}'''</div> [[Category:Council]]<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> I have an idea. To encourage editors to edit, we could have three user templates - gold, silver, and bronze (or if you want more Tolkienish names [[Silima]], [[Mithril]], and [[Tilkal]]) - as templates for their user pages. For instance, a "bronze" template could be displayed on their userpage if they had 500 edits, silver if they had 1000 edits, and gold if they had over 2000 edits. Tell me what you think. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 10:02, 20 June 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :I love it! Some wikis have awards that can be given by anyone at random if they consider the user did something award worthy. This makes it difficult as people have different ideas for when someone accomplished something award-worthy. The edit requirement allows for at least some standard to be used. My only concern is that we might be focusing too much on edits when one person rewriting an entire article is much more helpful than simply a minor edit yet they count for the same. But I think in general the edit requirement is probably our best bet. We'll have to play around with some images, I definitely think the Tolkienish names you suggested are the way to go. We can also create other awards too like "Most active" or "Most knowledgeable" etc. because if we use the 500, 1,000, 2,000 standard people are going to have all the awards pretty fast. I kind of like 1000, 10000, 100000 :) Hm, we also need to make a good standard template that the award image is inside of, something that says "Award" at the bottom to identify the image and so if people have multiple awards all the images have the same theme. Great idea Narfil. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 13:54, 20 June 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Only a relatively small amount of editors will ever reach 1000, and only the more active editors will reach 500. 2000 is certainly something to be proud of (on the other hand, Ebakunin reached it pretty quickly!). I see what you mean about the size of edits, but I don't see a way around it though. I really don't think anyone, excepting yourself, will ever reach 100,000 (unless they work for years). 10,000 may warrant a sort of "super-award", because only a few will reach it. Ideas for other awards are as follows:<br /> <br /> *Most active<br /> *Most knowledgeable<br /> *Best writing (needs a better title)<br /> *Hardest working (also needs a better title)<br /> <br /> But with those we could give "character" awards. For instance, "most knowledgeable" would be, say, the "[[Gandalf]]" award (other suggestions include [[Bilbo]] or [[Rúmil]]). "Most active" would be [[Aragorn]] (or [[Fëanor]]). "Best writing" might be [[Bilbo]]. "Hardest working" could be. . . I would have to think about that one. On the other hand, we might have titles. "Most knowledgeable" would be ''Loremaster award'', or etc. Just some ideas. Anyone can add to the list above. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 14:31, 20 June 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :I uploaded the following image for the "Silima" award:<br /> <br /> [[Image:Silima.jpg|center|150px]]<br /> <br /> :I am looking for a good [[Mithril]] image (see Talk:John Howe - Mithril), but I can probably create good [[Tilkal]] in Bryce. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 21:29, 24 June 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::Not to rush you or anything, Hyarion, but I was wondering if you had started the templates (I sure wish I knew how to do that. . .). Anyway, I'll try and get the Tilkal image done. Should the image be of a chain or just a close up of the texture? I favor the former. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 14:51, 8 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::I've created the following image of [[Tilkal]] in Bryce (Notice that in varying lights it can be red or green; I prefer red, but I shall upload the green just so you can decide which one you prefer):<br /> <br /> [[Image:Tilkal-red.jpg|center|150px]]<br /> <br /> :::It's pretty big, but that was just in case we might need it for something else. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 16:17, 9 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::And Tilkal in green:<br /> <br /> [[Image:Tilkal-green.jpg|center|150px]]<br /> <br /> :::Which do you prefer? --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 21:49, 9 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Well, I've had an idea for the voting for the "other" awards, such as ''most knowledgeable'', etc. We could have it so that any nominations for the award would be posted on this thread. Then the voting would go on for, say, a two-week period of time. Anyone can vote, but at the end of that period the voting is closed and the award is given or denyed. It must be at least a 2/3 majority. I favor for voting the "Barrow-downs" approach: '''++ Example''' or '''-- Example'''. Just an idea. This would also work for contests, though the period of time would be longer. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 09:51, 10 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> :Well, on Wookiepedia, they have "Wookiepedian of the month", could we think of a similar title for us? -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 15:14, 18 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Alright, I've written out a set of rules as a Word document and copied them here. Tell me what you think.<br /> <br /> Gatekeeper Awards<br /> <br /> ==Awards==<br /> ''Following shall be listed awards and their qualifications.''<br /> <br /> '''Highest Award''': ''The highest award given to a Gatekeeper, only to the very best''<br /> : '''Keeper of the Seventh Gate''' – Qualifications: 2+ year participation, outstanding quality of work, advanced knowledge of subject matter, prominent membership, recognized excellence. ''90% Votes''.<br /> <br /> '''Primary Awards''': ''Primary awards are those most sought after; they reflect the overall status of the Gatekeeper''<br /> : '''Silima Award''' – Qualifications: 2000+ edits, exceptional quality of work, and the creation of at least ten prominent articles. ''90% Votes''.<br /> : '''Tilkal Award''' – Qualifications: 1500+ edits, exceptional quality of work, and the creation of at least five prominent articles. ''75% Votes''.<br /> : '''Mithril Award''' – Qualifications: 1000+ edits, high quality of work. ''60% Votes''.<br /> <br /> '''Quality Awards''': ''Quality is defined as an overall status of the writings, taking into play organization and content''<br /> : '''Aulë Award''' – Qualifications: Exceptional quality of work, knowledge of subject matter. ''60% Votes''.<br /> : '''Telchar Award''' – Qualifications: High quality of work. ''50% Votes''.<br /> <br /> '''Loremaster Awards''': ''Loremaster/Knowledgeability Awards are for those who have a great knowledge of Tolkien’s works, and have put this knowledge to good use''<br /> : '''Mandos Award''' – Qualifications: 750+ edits, high quality of work, proven knowledgeability to the point of encyclopedic knowledge. ''50% Votes''.<br /> : '''Rúmil Award''' – Qualifications: 500+ edits, proven knowledgeability. ''50% Votes''.<br /> : '''Lore Rating''' – These are self-given ratings (0–4) on general knowledge. No votes are required.<br /> <br /> '''Activity Awards''': ''Activity Awards are given to those who are prominent, dedicated, and generally active''<br /> : '''Tulkas Award''' – Qualifications: 1000+ edits, high status of activity, talk is exceptionally logical and worthwhile, considerable contributions. ''50% Votes''.<br /> : '''Fëanor Award''' – Qualifications: 750+ edits, high status of activity, talk is worthwhile. ''50% Votes''.<br /> : '''Edit Rating''' – These are self-given ratings, counting the number of edits (1) 500+, (2) 1000+, (3) 2000+, (4) 5000+, (5) 10,000+. Only one, preferably the highest one, may be displayed in the award box.<br /> <br /> '''Gardener Awards''': ''Gardener Awards are for those who are patient and hard-working; who even if they aren’t very knowledgeable they make Tolkien Gateway a better place''<br /> : '''Yavanna Award''' – Qualifications: Active deletion of vandalism and Spam, active correction of spelling, grammar, and incorrect statements, high dedication. ''75% Votes''.<br /> : '''Samwise Award''' – Qualifications: Active general improvement of articles. ''50% Votes''.<br /> <br /> '''Voting'''<br /> : For all awards but the Highest and Primary Awards voting shall be held for a month in a picked voting thread, which it is recommended that all users add to their watchlist. It is impossible that voters remain anonymous if someone wishes to find out, but they do not need to sign their names. They need only place (in bold) a '''++Yes''' or '''--No''' under the columns designated. Highest and Primary Awards shall have a voting span of one month; all others two weeks. At the end of voting the nominator or a picked administrator shall count up the votes, and depending on the figures given above the award may or may not be awarded to the person in question.<br /> <br /> '''Basic Rules:'''<br /> : Any Gatekeeper can nominate another Gatekeeper, but if they nominate someone who does not qualify to the technical qualifications the voting shall be stopped by an Administrator or another.<br /> : Anyone who votes more than once may be at an administrator’s discretion banned for a maximum period of up to two months. Anyone who sees such cheating should report it immediately by placing it on an administrator’s talk page, not in the main voting thread. Any votes for himself/herself shall be deleted and ignored thereafter. If the voting for himself/herself occurs frequently, they may be punished at a picked administrator’s discretion.<br /> <br /> There was something else that I meant to put down, but I can't remember it. Remind me if I've forgotten something<br /> ----<br /> Fantastic job Narfil! Here are some suggestions that popped into my head:<br /> * ''Keeper of the Seventh Gate'' is good, I also like the sound of ''Guard of the Citadel''.<br /> * Personally I like the idea of requiring a higher percentage of votes to gain the rank, for ''Keeper of the Seventh Gate'' for example I might say 90% or even 100%. Maybe we can allow administrators to void one vote per admin or something similar. In my opinion if someone has a valid reason for not wanting to give someone the title it only makes sense to fix the problem before granting the title.<br /> * Maybe we can think of a better title for ''Primary Awards'', although I can't at the moment.<br /> * We also might consider spreading out the edit gap for the ''Primary Awards, like 1,000 and 5,000 or something. Only 500 edits can be obtained fairly easily. Since the awards are so high on the ladder I almost want to raise the edits to 5,000 and 10,000 or something.<br /> * ''and the creation of at least five prominent articles'' - I would consider changing this to something along the lines of ''and the drastically improving'' or something, as at some time all of the major articles will already be created.<br /> * I think the idea for a month voting for an admin/primary/highest and two weeks for the rest is a good estimate for how long it would take.<br /> * There are numerous ways we can vote, another way would be to have subheadings for "Support" and "Object", the user puts down their username under the heading of their choice and a reason if they want to, a reason would be required for Objections.<br /> * I think we'll have to create a template for placing awards in userpages, like a trophy box. I also like the idea of having all the awards look a certain style and list the name of the award at the bottom of the image. Some 'template' for the image so it doesn't just look like a random picture.<br /> You've got some great ideas though! I'll wait a few more days for everyone to respond and we'll move the information to a permanent page, I think voting should be held off until we get a few more regulars however. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 22:58, 25 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :You just pointed out exactly what I forgot! The creation of an article is, at the voter's discretion, either a completely new prominent article, or the drastic rise from a small article into an organized, complete, and detailed one. The person would be "creating" the article, even if it were already in existance. There are only so many Tolkien subjects, you know, so we might have several other options. . .<br /> :I had been thinking about raising the edit number. It might be a better idea to raise it up to 2000, 5000, and 10,000; or, if we want it simpler (considering that more is required than just a number of edits), 1000, 2500, and 5000. By Seventh Gate, I meant, by the way, the [[Great Gate of Gondolin]]; the [[Gate of Steel]].<br /> :I'll think about what you said about raising the percentage on the more important awards. It does sound good to me. Thanks for your feedback. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 08:42, 26 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Now, if you were to be nominated for a reward, would you be told on your talk page, or what? -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 14:21, 26 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::Great question Aragorn. I think its a good idea to notify the person on the talk page, we can setup a "You have been nominated" template. However I think the person shouldn't be notified right a way because say for example they were nominated for ''Keeper of the Seventh Gate'' when they only had 56 edits and had been registered for 2 weeks, there is no point, so maybe after 24 hours we can add the template, or "at the users discretion" for adding it. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 14:33, 26 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::Good idea. I like it. Now, if only we could get some graphics for the awards... -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 14:53, 26 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::::I'll be happy to do so. What I can do for most of the awards is find images, crop them, and upload them. We already have images for the Silima and Tilkal awards (unless someone objects to them; and I would still like to know Red or Green), and we should be able to find others for the other awards. For instance, I don't know of any Tolkien artist that did [[Aulë]] except [[Ted Nasmith]]. If we cropped the image so that it got his head and maybe a bit of the hammer. . . etc. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 15:18, 26 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::::Well, green is easier to see, but I think red looks best. shall we go with that? -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 11:12, 27 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::::::I agree, green is easier to see. Is there anyway we can add some more color to the outline of the ring to give it more of a solid state? I also still like the idea of including all of the awards in a "template" which has maybe some kind of border, a specific size, and the name of the award at the bottom of the image. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 11:39, 27 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::::::Yeah, that IS a good idea. Now, about that ring, maybe we could blend the red and green, so that it looks, in short, like what the Silmarillion said. Varying in different light. -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 12:05, 27 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::::::::I see what you mean about it being both red and green. Unfortunately, it mostly depends on the lighting I gave it. I could make Tilkal shine pretty much any color because of the lighting (and a little tweaking of the colors). I might be able to do something in Photoshop, though. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 13:17, 27 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::::::::Okay then. Let's give it a shot and see what we can do, shall we? -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 11:51, 28 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::::::::::I'm sorry, but it won't work. We'll have to go with one or the other, or come up with something else. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 16:08, 28 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::::::::::Alright then, green is my vote. Oh, one last question. When do these awards go into effect, or play, or whatever you want to call it? -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 14:19, 3 August 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> <br /> ::::::::::::Personally I think we should wait until we have a few more active contributors, at least 10 or so before having any kind of voting. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 14:23, 3 August 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::::::::::::We don't have that many yet? Wow, we need to get our name out there, don't we? So, when should the awards go into effect?-[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 12:23, 4 August 2006 (EDT)</div>

Lord Aragorn1414 https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Forums:User_awards&diff=28029 Forums:User awards 2006-08-03T18:19:51Z

<p>Lord Aragorn1414: /* Awards */</p> <hr /> <div><div style="background: #eee; border: 1px solid #aaa; padding: 5px">'''[[Main Page|Tolkien Gateway]] &gt; [[Forum:Council|Council]] &gt; {{PAGENAME}}'''</div> [[Category:Council]]<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> I have an idea. To encourage editors to edit, we could have three user templates - gold, silver, and bronze (or if you want more Tolkienish names [[Silima]], [[Mithril]], and [[Tilkal]]) - as templates for their user pages. For instance, a "bronze" template could be displayed on their userpage if they had 500 edits, silver if they had 1000 edits, and gold if they had over 2000 edits. Tell me what you think. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 10:02, 20 June 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :I love it! Some wikis have awards that can be given by anyone at random if they consider the user did something award worthy. This makes it difficult as people have different ideas for when someone accomplished something award-worthy. The edit requirement allows for at least some standard to be used. My only concern is that we might be focusing too much on edits when one person rewriting an entire article is much more helpful than simply a minor edit yet they count for the same. But I think in general the edit requirement is probably our best bet. We'll have to play around with some images, I definitely think the Tolkienish names you suggested are the way to go. We can also create other awards too like "Most active" or "Most knowledgeable" etc. because if we use the 500, 1,000, 2,000 standard people are going to have all the awards pretty fast. I kind of like 1000, 10000, 100000 :) Hm, we also need to make a good standard template that the award image is inside of, something that says "Award" at the bottom to identify the image and so if people have multiple awards all the images have the same theme. Great idea Narfil. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 13:54, 20 June 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Only a relatively small amount of editors will ever reach 1000, and only the more active editors will reach 500. 2000 is certainly something to be proud of (on the other hand, Ebakunin reached it pretty quickly!). I see what you mean about the size of edits, but I don't see a way around it though. I really don't think anyone, excepting yourself, will ever reach 100,000 (unless they work for years). 10,000 may warrant a sort of "super-award", because only a few will reach it. Ideas for other awards are as follows:<br /> <br /> *Most active<br /> *Most knowledgeable<br /> *Best writing (needs a better title)<br /> *Hardest working (also needs a better title)<br /> <br /> But with those we could give "character" awards. For instance, "most knowledgeable" would be, say, the "[[Gandalf]]" award (other suggestions include [[Bilbo]] or [[Rúmil]]). "Most active" would be [[Aragorn]] (or [[Fëanor]]). "Best writing" might be [[Bilbo]]. "Hardest working" could be. . . I would have to think about that one. On the other hand, we might have titles. "Most knowledgeable" would be ''Loremaster award'', or etc. Just some ideas. Anyone can add to the list above. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 14:31, 20 June 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :I uploaded the following image for the "Silima" award:<br /> <br /> [[Image:Silima.jpg|center|150px]]<br /> <br /> :I am looking for a good [[Mithril]] image (see Talk:John Howe - Mithril), but I can probably create good [[Tilkal]] in Bryce. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 21:29, 24 June 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::Not to rush you or anything, Hyarion, but I was wondering if you had started the templates (I sure wish I knew how to do that. . .). Anyway, I'll try and get the Tilkal image done. Should the image be of a chain or just a close up of the texture? I favor the former. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 14:51, 8 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::I've created the following image of [[Tilkal]] in Bryce (Notice that in varying lights it can be red or green; I prefer red, but I shall upload the green just so you can decide which one you prefer):<br /> <br /> [[Image:Tilkal-red.jpg|center|150px]]<br /> <br /> :::It's pretty big, but that was just in case we might need it for something else. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 16:17, 9 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::And Tilkal in green:<br /> <br /> [[Image:Tilkal-green.jpg|center|150px]]<br /> <br /> :::Which do you prefer? --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 21:49, 9 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Well, I've had an idea for the voting for the "other" awards, such as ''most knowledgeable'', etc. We could have it so that any nominations for the award would be posted on this thread. Then the voting would go on for, say, a two-week period of time. Anyone can vote, but at the end of that period the voting is closed and the award is given or denyed. It must be at least a 2/3 majority. I favor for voting the "Barrow-downs" approach: '''++ Example''' or '''-- Example'''. Just an idea. This would also work for contests, though the period of time would be longer. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 09:51, 10 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> :Well, on Wookiepedia, they have "Wookiepedian of the month", could we think of a similar title for us? -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 15:14, 18 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Alright, I've written out a set of rules as a Word document and copied them here. Tell me what you think.<br /> <br /> Gatekeeper Awards<br /> <br /> ==Awards==<br /> ''Following shall be listed awards and their qualifications.''<br /> <br /> '''Highest Award''': ''The highest award given to a Gatekeeper, only to the very best''<br /> : '''Keeper of the Seventh Gate''' – Qualifications: 2+ year participation, outstanding quality of work, advanced knowledge of subject matter, prominent membership, recognized excellence. ''90% Votes''.<br /> <br /> '''Primary Awards''': ''Primary awards are those most sought after; they reflect the overall status of the Gatekeeper''<br /> : '''Silima Award''' – Qualifications: 2000+ edits, exceptional quality of work, and the creation of at least ten prominent articles. ''90% Votes''.<br /> : '''Tilkal Award''' – Qualifications: 1500+ edits, exceptional quality of work, and the creation of at least five prominent articles. ''75% Votes''.<br /> : '''Mithril Award''' – Qualifications: 1000+ edits, high quality of work. ''60% Votes''.<br /> <br /> '''Quality Awards''': ''Quality is defined as an overall status of the writings, taking into play organization and content''<br /> : '''Aulë Award''' – Qualifications: Exceptional quality of work, knowledge of subject matter. ''60% Votes''.<br /> : '''Telchar Award''' – Qualifications: High quality of work. ''50% Votes''.<br /> <br /> '''Loremaster Awards''': ''Loremaster/Knowledgeability Awards are for those who have a great knowledge of Tolkien’s works, and have put this knowledge to good use''<br /> : '''Mandos Award''' – Qualifications: 750+ edits, high quality of work, proven knowledgeability to the point of encyclopedic knowledge. ''50% Votes''.<br /> : '''Rúmil Award''' – Qualifications: 500+ edits, proven knowledgeability. ''50% Votes''.<br /> : '''Lore Rating''' – These are self-given ratings (0–4) on general knowledge. No votes are required.<br /> <br /> '''Activity Awards''': ''Activity Awards are given to those who are prominent, dedicated, and generally active''<br /> : '''Tulkas Award''' – Qualifications: 1000+ edits, high status of activity, talk is exceptionally logical and worthwhile, considerable contributions. ''50% Votes''.<br /> : '''Fëanor Award''' – Qualifications: 750+ edits, high status of activity, talk is worthwhile. ''50% Votes''.<br /> : '''Edit Rating''' – These are self-given ratings, counting the number of edits (1) 500+, (2) 1000+, (3) 2000+, (4) 5000+, (5) 10,000+. Only one, preferably the highest one, may be displayed in the award box.<br /> <br /> '''Gardener Awards''': ''Gardener Awards are for those who are patient and hard-working; who even if they aren’t very knowledgeable they make Tolkien Gateway a better place''<br /> : '''Yavanna Award''' – Qualifications: Active deletion of vandalism and Spam, active correction of spelling, grammar, and incorrect statements, high dedication. ''75% Votes''.<br /> : '''Samwise Award''' – Qualifications: Active general improvement of articles. ''50% Votes''.<br /> <br /> '''Voting'''<br /> : For all awards but the Highest and Primary Awards voting shall be held for a month in a picked voting thread, which it is recommended that all users add to their watchlist. It is impossible that voters remain anonymous if someone wishes to find out, but they do not need to sign their names. They need only place (in bold) a '''++Yes''' or '''--No''' under the columns designated. Highest and Primary Awards shall have a voting span of one month; all others two weeks. At the end of voting the nominator or a picked administrator shall count up the votes, and depending on the figures given above the award may or may not be awarded to the person in question.<br /> <br /> '''Basic Rules:'''<br /> : Any Gatekeeper can nominate another Gatekeeper, but if they nominate someone who does not qualify to the technical qualifications the voting shall be stopped by an Administrator or another.<br /> : Anyone who votes more than once may be at an administrator’s discretion banned for a maximum period of up to two months. Anyone who sees such cheating should report it immediately by placing it on an administrator’s talk page, not in the main voting thread. Any votes for himself/herself shall be deleted and ignored thereafter. If the voting for himself/herself occurs frequently, they may be punished at a picked administrator’s discretion.<br /> <br /> There was something else that I meant to put down, but I can't remember it. Remind me if I've forgotten something<br /> ----<br /> Fantastic job Narfil! Here are some suggestions that popped into my head:<br /> * ''Keeper of the Seventh Gate'' is good, I also like the sound of ''Guard of the Citadel''.<br /> * Personally I like the idea of requiring a higher percentage of votes to gain the rank, for ''Keeper of the Seventh Gate'' for example I might say 90% or even 100%. Maybe we can allow administrators to void one vote per admin or something similar. In my opinion if someone has a valid reason for not wanting to give someone the title it only makes sense to fix the problem before granting the title.<br /> * Maybe we can think of a better title for ''Primary Awards'', although I can't at the moment.<br /> * We also might consider spreading out the edit gap for the ''Primary Awards, like 1,000 and 5,000 or something. Only 500 edits can be obtained fairly easily. Since the awards are so high on the ladder I almost want to raise the edits to 5,000 and 10,000 or something.<br /> * ''and the creation of at least five prominent articles'' - I would consider changing this to something along the lines of ''and the drastically improving'' or something, as at some time all of the major articles will already be created.<br /> * I think the idea for a month voting for an admin/primary/highest and two weeks for the rest is a good estimate for how long it would take.<br /> * There are numerous ways we can vote, another way would be to have subheadings for "Support" and "Object", the user puts down their username under the heading of their choice and a reason if they want to, a reason would be required for Objections.<br /> * I think we'll have to create a template for placing awards in userpages, like a trophy box. I also like the idea of having all the awards look a certain style and list the name of the award at the bottom of the image. Some 'template' for the image so it doesn't just look like a random picture.<br /> You've got some great ideas though! I'll wait a few more days for everyone to respond and we'll move the information to a permanent page, I think voting should be held off until we get a few more regulars however. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 22:58, 25 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :You just pointed out exactly what I forgot! The creation of an article is, at the voter's discretion, either a completely new prominent article, or the drastic rise from a small article into an organized, complete, and detailed one. The person would be "creating" the article, even if it were already in existance. There are only so many Tolkien subjects, you know, so we might have several other options. . .<br /> :I had been thinking about raising the edit number. It might be a better idea to raise it up to 2000, 5000, and 10,000; or, if we want it simpler (considering that more is required than just a number of edits), 1000, 2500, and 5000. By Seventh Gate, I meant, by the way, the [[Great Gate of Gondolin]]; the [[Gate of Steel]].<br /> :I'll think about what you said about raising the percentage on the more important awards. It does sound good to me. Thanks for your feedback. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 08:42, 26 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Now, if you were to be nominated for a reward, would you be told on your talk page, or what? -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 14:21, 26 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::Great question Aragorn. I think its a good idea to notify the person on the talk page, we can setup a "You have been nominated" template. However I think the person shouldn't be notified right a way because say for example they were nominated for ''Keeper of the Seventh Gate'' when they only had 56 edits and had been registered for 2 weeks, there is no point, so maybe after 24 hours we can add the template, or "at the users discretion" for adding it. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 14:33, 26 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::Good idea. I like it. Now, if only we could get some graphics for the awards... -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 14:53, 26 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::::I'll be happy to do so. What I can do for most of the awards is find images, crop them, and upload them. We already have images for the Silima and Tilkal awards (unless someone objects to them; and I would still like to know Red or Green), and we should be able to find others for the other awards. For instance, I don't know of any Tolkien artist that did [[Aulë]] except [[Ted Nasmith]]. If we cropped the image so that it got his head and maybe a bit of the hammer. . . etc. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 15:18, 26 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::::Well, green is easier to see, but I think red looks best. shall we go with that? -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 11:12, 27 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::::::I agree, green is easier to see. Is there anyway we can add some more color to the outline of the ring to give it more of a solid state? I also still like the idea of including all of the awards in a "template" which has maybe some kind of border, a specific size, and the name of the award at the bottom of the image. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 11:39, 27 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::::::Yeah, that IS a good idea. Now, about that ring, maybe we could blend the red and green, so that it looks, in short, like what the Silmarillion said. Varying in different light. -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 12:05, 27 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::::::::I see what you mean about it being both red and green. Unfortunately, it mostly depends on the lighting I gave it. I could make Tilkal shine pretty much any color because of the lighting (and a little tweaking of the colors). I might be able to do something in Photoshop, though. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 13:17, 27 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::::::::Okay then. Let's give it a shot and see what we can do, shall we? -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 11:51, 28 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::::::::::I'm sorry, but it won't work. We'll have to go with one or the other, or come up with something else. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 16:08, 28 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::::::::::Alright then, green is my vote. Oh, one last question. When do these awards go into effect, or play, or whatever you want to call it? -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 14:19, 3 August 2006 (EDT)</div>

Lord Aragorn1414 https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Forums:User_awards&diff=27731 Forums:User awards 2006-07-28T15:51:58Z

<p>Lord Aragorn1414: /* Awards */</p> <hr /> <div><div style="background: #eee; border: 1px solid #aaa; padding: 5px">'''[[Main Page|Tolkien Gateway]] &gt; [[Forum:Council|Council]] &gt; {{PAGENAME}}'''</div> [[Category:Council]]<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> I have an idea. To encourage editors to edit, we could have three user templates - gold, silver, and bronze (or if you want more Tolkienish names [[Silima]], [[Mithril]], and [[Tilkal]]) - as templates for their user pages. For instance, a "bronze" template could be displayed on their userpage if they had 500 edits, silver if they had 1000 edits, and gold if they had over 2000 edits. Tell me what you think. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 10:02, 20 June 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :I love it! Some wikis have awards that can be given by anyone at random if they consider the user did something award worthy. This makes it difficult as people have different ideas for when someone accomplished something award-worthy. The edit requirement allows for at least some standard to be used. My only concern is that we might be focusing too much on edits when one person rewriting an entire article is much more helpful than simply a minor edit yet they count for the same. But I think in general the edit requirement is probably our best bet. We'll have to play around with some images, I definitely think the Tolkienish names you suggested are the way to go. We can also create other awards too like "Most active" or "Most knowledgeable" etc. because if we use the 500, 1,000, 2,000 standard people are going to have all the awards pretty fast. I kind of like 1000, 10000, 100000 :) Hm, we also need to make a good standard template that the award image is inside of, something that says "Award" at the bottom to identify the image and so if people have multiple awards all the images have the same theme. Great idea Narfil. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 13:54, 20 June 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Only a relatively small amount of editors will ever reach 1000, and only the more active editors will reach 500. 2000 is certainly something to be proud of (on the other hand, Ebakunin reached it pretty quickly!). I see what you mean about the size of edits, but I don't see a way around it though. I really don't think anyone, excepting yourself, will ever reach 100,000 (unless they work for years). 10,000 may warrant a sort of "super-award", because only a few will reach it. Ideas for other awards are as follows:<br /> <br /> *Most active<br /> *Most knowledgeable<br /> *Best writing (needs a better title)<br /> *Hardest working (also needs a better title)<br /> <br /> But with those we could give "character" awards. For instance, "most knowledgeable" would be, say, the "[[Gandalf]]" award (other suggestions include [[Bilbo]] or [[Rúmil]]). "Most active" would be [[Aragorn]] (or [[Fëanor]]). "Best writing" might be [[Bilbo]]. "Hardest working" could be. . . I would have to think about that one. On the other hand, we might have titles. "Most knowledgeable" would be ''Loremaster award'', or etc. Just some ideas. Anyone can add to the list above. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 14:31, 20 June 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :I uploaded the following image for the "Silima" award:<br /> <br /> [[Image:Silima.jpg|center|150px]]<br /> <br /> :I am looking for a good [[Mithril]] image (see Talk:John Howe - Mithril), but I can probably create good [[Tilkal]] in Bryce. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 21:29, 24 June 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::Not to rush you or anything, Hyarion, but I was wondering if you had started the templates (I sure wish I knew how to do that. . .). Anyway, I'll try and get the Tilkal image done. Should the image be of a chain or just a close up of the texture? I favor the former. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 14:51, 8 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::I've created the following image of [[Tilkal]] in Bryce (Notice that in varying lights it can be red or green; I prefer red, but I shall upload the green just so you can decide which one you prefer):<br /> <br /> [[Image:Tilkal-red.jpg|center|150px]]<br /> <br /> :::It's pretty big, but that was just in case we might need it for something else. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 16:17, 9 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::And Tilkal in green:<br /> <br /> [[Image:Tilkal-green.jpg|center|150px]]<br /> <br /> :::Which do you prefer? --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 21:49, 9 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Well, I've had an idea for the voting for the "other" awards, such as ''most knowledgeable'', etc. We could have it so that any nominations for the award would be posted on this thread. Then the voting would go on for, say, a two-week period of time. Anyone can vote, but at the end of that period the voting is closed and the award is given or denyed. It must be at least a 2/3 majority. I favor for voting the "Barrow-downs" approach: '''++ Example''' or '''-- Example'''. Just an idea. This would also work for contests, though the period of time would be longer. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 09:51, 10 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> :Well, on Wookiepedia, they have "Wookiepedian of the month", could we think of a similar title for us? -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 15:14, 18 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Alright, I've written out a set of rules as a Word document and copied them here. Tell me what you think.<br /> <br /> Gatekeeper Awards<br /> <br /> ==Awards==<br /> ''Following shall be listed awards and their qualifications.''<br /> <br /> '''Highest Award''': ''The highest award given to a Gatekeeper, only to the very best''<br /> : '''Keeper of the Seventh Gate''' – Qualifications: 2+ year participation, outstanding quality of work, advanced knowledge of subject matter, prominent membership, recognized excellence. ''75% Votes''.<br /> <br /> '''Primary Awards''': ''Primary awards are those most sought after; they reflect the overall status of the Gatekeeper''<br /> : '''Silima Award''' – Qualifications: 2000+ edits, exceptional quality of work, and the creation of at least ten prominent articles. ''75% Votes''.<br /> : '''Tilkal Award''' – Qualifications: 1500+ edits, exceptional quality of work, and the creation of at least five prominent articles. ''65% Votes''.<br /> : '''Mithril Award''' – Qualifications: 1000+ edits, high quality of work. ''60% Votes''.<br /> <br /> '''Quality Awards''': ''Quality is defined as an overall status of the writings, taking into play organization and content''<br /> : '''Aulë Award''' – Qualifications: Exceptional quality of work, knowledge of subject matter. ''60% Votes''.<br /> : '''Telchar Award''' – Qualifications: High quality of work. ''50% Votes''.<br /> <br /> '''Loremaster Awards''': ''Loremaster/Knowledgeability Awards are for those who have a great knowledge of Tolkien’s works, and have put this knowledge to good use''<br /> : '''Mandos Award''' – Qualifications: 750+ edits, high quality of work, proven knowledgeability to the point of encyclopedic knowledge. ''50% Votes''.<br /> : '''Rúmil Award''' – Qualifications: 500+ edits, proven knowledgeability. ''50% Votes''.<br /> : '''Lore Rating''' – These are self-given ratings (0–4) on general knowledge. No votes are required.<br /> <br /> '''Activity Awards''': ''Activity Awards are given to those who are prominent, dedicated, and generally active''<br /> : '''Tulkas Award''' – Qualifications: 1000+ edits, high status of activity, talk is exceptionally logical and worthwhile, considerable contributions. ''50% Votes''.<br /> : '''Fëanor Award''' – Qualifications: 750+ edits, high status of activity, talk is worthwhile. ''50% Votes''.<br /> : '''Edit Rating''' – These are self-given ratings, counting the number of edits (1) 500+, (2) 1000+, (3) 2000+, (4) 5000+, (5) 10,000+. Only one, preferably the highest one, may be displayed in the award box.<br /> <br /> '''Gardener Awards''': ''Gardener Awards are for those who are patient and hard-working; who even if they aren’t very knowledgeable they make Tolkien Gateway a better place''<br /> : '''Yavanna Award''' – Qualifications: Active deletion of vandalism and Spam, active correction of spelling, grammar, and incorrect statements, high dedication. ''75% Votes''.<br /> : '''Samwise Award''' – Qualifications: Active general improvement of articles. ''50% Votes''.<br /> <br /> '''Voting'''<br /> : For all awards but the Highest and Primary Awards voting shall be held for a month in a picked voting thread, which it is recommended that all users add to their watchlist. It is impossible that voters remain anonymous if someone wishes to find out, but they do not need to sign their names. They need only place (in bold) a '''++Yes''' or '''--No''' under the columns designated. Highest and Primary Awards shall have a voting span of one month; all others two weeks. At the end of voting the nominator or a picked administrator shall count up the votes, and depending on the figures given above the award may or may not be awarded to the person in question.<br /> <br /> '''Basic Rules:'''<br /> : Any Gatekeeper can nominate another Gatekeeper, but if they nominate someone who does not qualify to the technical qualifications the voting shall be stopped by an Administrator or another.<br /> : Anyone who votes more than once may be at an administrator’s discretion banned for a maximum period of up to two months. Anyone who sees such cheating should report it immediately by placing it on an administrator’s talk page, not in the main voting thread. Any votes for himself/herself shall be deleted and ignored thereafter. If the voting for himself/herself occurs frequently, they may be punished at a picked administrator’s discretion.<br /> <br /> There was something else that I meant to put down, but I can't remember it. Remind me if I've forgotten something<br /> ----<br /> Fantastic job Narfil! Here are some suggestions that popped into my head:<br /> * ''Keeper of the Seventh Gate'' is good, I also like the sound of ''Guard of the Citadel''.<br /> * Personally I like the idea of requiring a higher percentage of votes to gain the rank, for ''Keeper of the Seventh Gate'' for example I might say 90% or even 100%. Maybe we can allow administrators to void one vote per admin or something similar. In my opinion if someone has a valid reason for not wanting to give someone the title it only makes sense to fix the problem before granting the title.<br /> * Maybe we can think of a better title for ''Primary Awards'', although I can't at the moment.<br /> * We also might consider spreading out the edit gap for the ''Primary Awards, like 1,000 and 5,000 or something. Only 500 edits can be obtained fairly easily. Since the awards are so high on the ladder I almost want to raise the edits to 5,000 and 10,000 or something.<br /> * ''and the creation of at least five prominent articles'' - I would consider changing this to something along the lines of ''and the drastically improving'' or something, as at some time all of the major articles will already be created.<br /> * I think the idea for a month voting for an admin/primary/highest and two weeks for the rest is a good estimate for how long it would take.<br /> * There are numerous ways we can vote, another way would be to have subheadings for "Support" and "Object", the user puts down their username under the heading of their choice and a reason if they want to, a reason would be required for Objections.<br /> * I think we'll have to create a template for placing awards in userpages, like a trophy box. I also like the idea of having all the awards look a certain style and list the name of the award at the bottom of the image. Some 'template' for the image so it doesn't just look like a random picture.<br /> You've got some great ideas though! I'll wait a few more days for everyone to respond and we'll move the information to a permanent page, I think voting should be held off until we get a few more regulars however. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 22:58, 25 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :You just pointed out exactly what I forgot! The creation of an article is, at the voter's discretion, either a completely new prominent article, or the drastic rise from a small article into an organized, complete, and detailed one. The person would be "creating" the article, even if it were already in existance. There are only so many Tolkien subjects, you know, so we might have several other options. . .<br /> :I had been thinking about raising the edit number. It might be a better idea to raise it up to 2000, 5000, and 10,000; or, if we want it simpler (considering that more is required than just a number of edits), 1000, 2500, and 5000. By Seventh Gate, I meant, by the way, the [[Great Gate of Gondolin]]; the [[Gate of Steel]].<br /> :I'll think about what you said about raising the percentage on the more important awards. It does sound good to me. Thanks for your feedback. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 08:42, 26 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Now, if you were to be nominated for a reward, would you be told on your talk page, or what? -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 14:21, 26 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::Great question Aragorn. I think its a good idea to notify the person on the talk page, we can setup a "You have been nominated" template. However I think the person shouldn't be notified right a way because say for example they were nominated for ''Keeper of the Seventh Gate'' when they only had 56 edits and had been registered for 2 weeks, there is no point, so maybe after 24 hours we can add the template, or "at the users discretion" for adding it. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 14:33, 26 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::Good idea. I like it. Now, if only we could get some graphics for the awards... -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 14:53, 26 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::::I'll be happy to do so. What I can do for most of the awards is find images, crop them, and upload them. We already have images for the Silima and Tilkal awards (unless someone objects to them; and I would still like to know Red or Green), and we should be able to find others for the other awards. For instance, I don't know of any Tolkien artist that did [[Aulë]] except [[Ted Nasmith]]. If we cropped the image so that it got his head and maybe a bit of the hammer. . . etc. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 15:18, 26 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::::Well, green is easier to see, but I think red looks best. shall we go with that? -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 11:12, 27 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::::::I agree, green is easier to see. Is there anyway we can add some more color to the outline of the ring to give it more of a solid state? I also still like the idea of including all of the awards in a "template" which has maybe some kind of border, a specific size, and the name of the award at the bottom of the image. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 11:39, 27 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::::::Yeah, that IS a good idea. Now, about that ring, maybe we could blend the red and green, so that it looks, in short, like what the Silmarillion said. Varying in different light. -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 12:05, 27 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::::::::I see what you mean about it being both red and green. Unfortunately, it mostly depends on the lighting I gave it. I could make Tilkal shine pretty much any color because of the lighting (and a little tweaking of the colors). I might be able to do something in Photoshop, though. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 13:17, 27 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::::::::Okay then. Let's give it a shot and see what we can do, shall we? -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 11:51, 28 July 2006 (EDT)</div>

Lord Aragorn1414 https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Forums:User_awards&diff=27730 Forums:User awards 2006-07-28T15:50:24Z

<p>Lord Aragorn1414: /* Awards */</p> <hr /> <div><div style="background: #eee; border: 1px solid #aaa; padding: 5px">'''[[Main Page|Tolkien Gateway]] &gt; [[Forum:Council|Council]] &gt; {{PAGENAME}}'''</div> [[Category:Council]]<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> I have an idea. To encourage editors to edit, we could have three user templates - gold, silver, and bronze (or if you want more Tolkienish names [[Silima]], [[Mithril]], and [[Tilkal]]) - as templates for their user pages. For instance, a "bronze" template could be displayed on their userpage if they had 500 edits, silver if they had 1000 edits, and gold if they had over 2000 edits. Tell me what you think. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 10:02, 20 June 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :I love it! Some wikis have awards that can be given by anyone at random if they consider the user did something award worthy. This makes it difficult as people have different ideas for when someone accomplished something award-worthy. The edit requirement allows for at least some standard to be used. My only concern is that we might be focusing too much on edits when one person rewriting an entire article is much more helpful than simply a minor edit yet they count for the same. But I think in general the edit requirement is probably our best bet. We'll have to play around with some images, I definitely think the Tolkienish names you suggested are the way to go. We can also create other awards too like "Most active" or "Most knowledgeable" etc. because if we use the 500, 1,000, 2,000 standard people are going to have all the awards pretty fast. I kind of like 1000, 10000, 100000 :) Hm, we also need to make a good standard template that the award image is inside of, something that says "Award" at the bottom to identify the image and so if people have multiple awards all the images have the same theme. Great idea Narfil. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 13:54, 20 June 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Only a relatively small amount of editors will ever reach 1000, and only the more active editors will reach 500. 2000 is certainly something to be proud of (on the other hand, Ebakunin reached it pretty quickly!). I see what you mean about the size of edits, but I don't see a way around it though. I really don't think anyone, excepting yourself, will ever reach 100,000 (unless they work for years). 10,000 may warrant a sort of "super-award", because only a few will reach it. Ideas for other awards are as follows:<br /> <br /> *Most active<br /> *Most knowledgeable<br /> *Best writing (needs a better title)<br /> *Hardest working (also needs a better title)<br /> <br /> But with those we could give "character" awards. For instance, "most knowledgeable" would be, say, the "[[Gandalf]]" award (other suggestions include [[Bilbo]] or [[Rúmil]]). "Most active" would be [[Aragorn]] (or [[Fëanor]]). "Best writing" might be [[Bilbo]]. "Hardest working" could be. . . I would have to think about that one. On the other hand, we might have titles. "Most knowledgeable" would be ''Loremaster award'', or etc. Just some ideas. Anyone can add to the list above. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 14:31, 20 June 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :I uploaded the following image for the "Silima" award:<br /> <br /> [[Image:Silima.jpg|center|150px]]<br /> <br /> :I am looking for a good [[Mithril]] image (see Talk:John Howe - Mithril), but I can probably create good [[Tilkal]] in Bryce. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 21:29, 24 June 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::Not to rush you or anything, Hyarion, but I was wondering if you had started the templates (I sure wish I knew how to do that. . .). Anyway, I'll try and get the Tilkal image done. Should the image be of a chain or just a close up of the texture? I favor the former. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 14:51, 8 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::I've created the following image of [[Tilkal]] in Bryce (Notice that in varying lights it can be red or green; I prefer red, but I shall upload the green just so you can decide which one you prefer):<br /> <br /> [[Image:Tilkal-red.jpg|center|150px]]<br /> <br /> :::It's pretty big, but that was just in case we might need it for something else. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 16:17, 9 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::And Tilkal in green:<br /> <br /> [[Image:Tilkal-green.jpg|center|150px]]<br /> <br /> :::Which do you prefer? --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 21:49, 9 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Well, I've had an idea for the voting for the "other" awards, such as ''most knowledgeable'', etc. We could have it so that any nominations for the award would be posted on this thread. Then the voting would go on for, say, a two-week period of time. Anyone can vote, but at the end of that period the voting is closed and the award is given or denyed. It must be at least a 2/3 majority. I favor for voting the "Barrow-downs" approach: '''++ Example''' or '''-- Example'''. Just an idea. This would also work for contests, though the period of time would be longer. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 09:51, 10 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> :Well, on Wookiepedia, they have "Wookiepedian of the month", could we think of a similar title for us? -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 15:14, 18 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Alright, I've written out a set of rules as a Word document and copied them here. Tell me what you think.<br /> <br /> Gatekeeper Awards<br /> <br /> ==Awards==<br /> ''Following shall be listed awards and their qualifications.''<br /> <br /> '''Highest Award''': ''The highest award given to a Gatekeeper, only to the very best''<br /> : '''Keeper of the Seventh Gate''' – Qualifications: 2+ year participation, outstanding quality of work, advanced knowledge of subject matter, prominent membership, recognized excellence. ''75% Votes''.<br /> <br /> '''Primary Awards''': ''Primary awards are those most sought after; they reflect the overall status of the Gatekeeper''<br /> : '''Silima Award''' – Qualifications: 2000+ edits, exceptional quality of work, and the creation of at least ten prominent articles. ''75% Votes''.<br /> : '''Tilkal Award''' – Qualifications: 1500+ edits, exceptional quality of work, and the creation of at least five prominent articles. ''65% Votes''.<br /> : '''Mithril Award''' – Qualifications: 1000+ edits, high quality of work. ''60% Votes''.<br /> <br /> '''Quality Awards''': ''Quality is defined as an overall status of the writings, taking into play organization and content''<br /> : '''Aulë Award''' – Qualifications: Exceptional quality of work, knowledge of subject matter. ''60% Votes''.<br /> : '''Telchar Award''' – Qualifications: High quality of work. ''50% Votes''.<br /> <br /> '''Loremaster Awards''': ''Loremaster/Knowledgeability Awards are for those who have a great knowledge of Tolkien’s works, and have put this knowledge to good use''<br /> : '''Mandos Award''' – Qualifications: 750+ edits, high quality of work, proven knowledgeability to the point of encyclopedic knowledge. ''50% Votes''.<br /> : '''Rúmil Award''' – Qualifications: 500+ edits, proven knowledgeability. ''50% Votes''.<br /> : '''Lore Rating''' – These are self-given ratings (0–4) on general knowledge. No votes are required.<br /> <br /> '''Activity Awards''': ''Activity Awards are given to those who are prominent, dedicated, and generally active''<br /> : '''Tulkas Award''' – Qualifications: 1000+ edits, high status of activity, talk is exceptionally logical and worthwhile, considerable contributions. ''50% Votes''.<br /> : '''Fëanor Award''' – Qualifications: 750+ edits, high status of activity, talk is worthwhile. ''50% Votes''.<br /> : '''Edit Rating''' – These are self-given ratings, counting the number of edits (1) 500+, (2) 1000+, (3) 2000+, (4) 5000+, (5) 10,000+. Only one, preferably the highest one, may be displayed in the award box.<br /> <br /> '''Gardener Awards''': ''Gardener Awards are for those who are patient and hard-working; who even if they aren’t very knowledgeable they make Tolkien Gateway a better place''<br /> : '''Yavanna Award''' – Qualifications: Active deletion of vandalism and Spam, active correction of spelling, grammar, and incorrect statements, high dedication. ''75% Votes''.<br /> : '''Samwise Award''' – Qualifications: Active general improvement of articles. ''50% Votes''.<br /> <br /> '''Voting'''<br /> : For all awards but the Highest and Primary Awards voting shall be held for a month in a picked voting thread, which it is recommended that all users add to their watchlist. It is impossible that voters remain anonymous if someone wishes to find out, but they do not need to sign their names. They need only place (in bold) a '''++Yes''' or '''--No''' under the columns designated. Highest and Primary Awards shall have a voting span of one month; all others two weeks. At the end of voting the nominator or a picked administrator shall count up the votes, and depending on the figures given above the award may or may not be awarded to the person in question.<br /> <br /> '''Basic Rules:'''<br /> : Any Gatekeeper can nominate another Gatekeeper, but if they nominate someone who does not qualify to the technical qualifications the voting shall be stopped by an Administrator or another.<br /> : Anyone who votes more than once may be at an administrator’s discretion banned for a maximum period of up to two months. Anyone who sees such cheating should report it immediately by placing it on an administrator’s talk page, not in the main voting thread. Any votes for himself/herself shall be deleted and ignored thereafter. If the voting for himself/herself occurs frequently, they may be punished at a picked administrator’s discretion.<br /> <br /> There was something else that I meant to put down, but I can't remember it. Remind me if I've forgotten something<br /> ----<br /> Fantastic job Narfil! Here are some suggestions that popped into my head:<br /> * ''Keeper of the Seventh Gate'' is good, I also like the sound of ''Guard of the Citadel''.<br /> * Personally I like the idea of requiring a higher percentage of votes to gain the rank, for ''Keeper of the Seventh Gate'' for example I might say 90% or even 100%. Maybe we can allow administrators to void one vote per admin or something similar. In my opinion if someone has a valid reason for not wanting to give someone the title it only makes sense to fix the problem before granting the title.<br /> * Maybe we can think of a better title for ''Primary Awards'', although I can't at the moment.<br /> * We also might consider spreading out the edit gap for the ''Primary Awards, like 1,000 and 5,000 or something. Only 500 edits can be obtained fairly easily. Since the awards are so high on the ladder I almost want to raise the edits to 5,000 and 10,000 or something.<br /> * ''and the creation of at least five prominent articles'' - I would consider changing this to something along the lines of ''and the drastically improving'' or something, as at some time all of the major articles will already be created.<br /> * I think the idea for a month voting for an admin/primary/highest and two weeks for the rest is a good estimate for how long it would take.<br /> * There are numerous ways we can vote, another way would be to have subheadings for "Support" and "Object", the user puts down their username under the heading of their choice and a reason if they want to, a reason would be required for Objections.<br /> * I think we'll have to create a template for placing awards in userpages, like a trophy box. I also like the idea of having all the awards look a certain style and list the name of the award at the bottom of the image. Some 'template' for the image so it doesn't just look like a random picture.<br /> You've got some great ideas though! I'll wait a few more days for everyone to respond and we'll move the information to a permanent page, I think voting should be held off until we get a few more regulars however. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 22:58, 25 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :You just pointed out exactly what I forgot! The creation of an article is, at the voter's discretion, either a completely new prominent article, or the drastic rise from a small article into an organized, complete, and detailed one. The person would be "creating" the article, even if it were already in existance. There are only so many Tolkien subjects, you know, so we might have several other options. . .<br /> :I had been thinking about raising the edit number. It might be a better idea to raise it up to 2000, 5000, and 10,000; or, if we want it simpler (considering that more is required than just a number of edits), 1000, 2500, and 5000. By Seventh Gate, I meant, by the way, the [[Great Gate of Gondolin]]; the [[Gate of Steel]].<br /> :I'll think about what you said about raising the percentage on the more important awards. It does sound good to me. Thanks for your feedback. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 08:42, 26 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Now, if you were to be nominated for a reward, would you be told on your talk page, or what? -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 14:21, 26 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::Great question Aragorn. I think its a good idea to notify the person on the talk page, we can setup a "You have been nominated" template. However I think the person shouldn't be notified right a way because say for example they were nominated for ''Keeper of the Seventh Gate'' when they only had 56 edits and had been registered for 2 weeks, there is no point, so maybe after 24 hours we can add the template, or "at the users discretion" for adding it. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 14:33, 26 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::Good idea. I like it. Now, if only we could get some graphics for the awards... -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 14:53, 26 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::::I'll be happy to do so. What I can do for most of the awards is find images, crop them, and upload them. We already have images for the Silima and Tilkal awards (unless someone objects to them; and I would still like to know Red or Green), and we should be able to find others for the other awards. For instance, I don't know of any Tolkien artist that did [[Aulë]] except [[Ted Nasmith]]. If we cropped the image so that it got his head and maybe a bit of the hammer. . . etc. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 15:18, 26 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::::Well, green is easier to see, but I think red looks best. shall we go with that? -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 11:12, 27 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::::::I agree, green is easier to see. Is there anyway we can add some more color to the outline of the ring to give it more of a solid state? I also still like the idea of including all of the awards in a "template" which has maybe some kind of border, a specific size, and the name of the award at the bottom of the image. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 11:39, 27 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::::::Yeah, that IS a good idea. Now, about that ring, maybe we could blend the red and green, so that it looks, in short, like what the Silmarillion said. Varying in different light. -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 12:05, 27 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::::::::I see what you mean about it being both red and green. Unfortunately, it mostly depends on the lighting I gave it. I could make Tilkal shine pretty much any color because of the lighting (and a little tweaking of the colors). I might be able to do something in Photoshop, though. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 13:17, 27 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::::::::Okay then. Let's give it a shot and see what we can do, shall we?</div>

Lord Aragorn1414 https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Forums:User_awards&diff=27705 Forums:User awards 2006-07-27T16:05:27Z

<p>Lord Aragorn1414: /* Awards */</p> <hr /> <div><div style="background: #eee; border: 1px solid #aaa; padding: 5px">'''[[Main Page|Tolkien Gateway]] &gt; [[Forum:Council|Council]] &gt; {{PAGENAME}}'''</div> [[Category:Council]]<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> I have an idea. To encourage editors to edit, we could have three user templates - gold, silver, and bronze (or if you want more Tolkienish names [[Silima]], [[Mithril]], and [[Tilkal]]) - as templates for their user pages. For instance, a "bronze" template could be displayed on their userpage if they had 500 edits, silver if they had 1000 edits, and gold if they had over 2000 edits. Tell me what you think. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 10:02, 20 June 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :I love it! Some wikis have awards that can be given by anyone at random if they consider the user did something award worthy. This makes it difficult as people have different ideas for when someone accomplished something award-worthy. The edit requirement allows for at least some standard to be used. My only concern is that we might be focusing too much on edits when one person rewriting an entire article is much more helpful than simply a minor edit yet they count for the same. But I think in general the edit requirement is probably our best bet. We'll have to play around with some images, I definitely think the Tolkienish names you suggested are the way to go. We can also create other awards too like "Most active" or "Most knowledgeable" etc. because if we use the 500, 1,000, 2,000 standard people are going to have all the awards pretty fast. I kind of like 1000, 10000, 100000 :) Hm, we also need to make a good standard template that the award image is inside of, something that says "Award" at the bottom to identify the image and so if people have multiple awards all the images have the same theme. Great idea Narfil. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 13:54, 20 June 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Only a relatively small amount of editors will ever reach 1000, and only the more active editors will reach 500. 2000 is certainly something to be proud of (on the other hand, Ebakunin reached it pretty quickly!). I see what you mean about the size of edits, but I don't see a way around it though. I really don't think anyone, excepting yourself, will ever reach 100,000 (unless they work for years). 10,000 may warrant a sort of "super-award", because only a few will reach it. Ideas for other awards are as follows:<br /> <br /> *Most active<br /> *Most knowledgeable<br /> *Best writing (needs a better title)<br /> *Hardest working (also needs a better title)<br /> <br /> But with those we could give "character" awards. For instance, "most knowledgeable" would be, say, the "[[Gandalf]]" award (other suggestions include [[Bilbo]] or [[Rúmil]]). "Most active" would be [[Aragorn]] (or [[Fëanor]]). "Best writing" might be [[Bilbo]]. "Hardest working" could be. . . I would have to think about that one. On the other hand, we might have titles. "Most knowledgeable" would be ''Loremaster award'', or etc. Just some ideas. Anyone can add to the list above. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 14:31, 20 June 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :I uploaded the following image for the "Silima" award:<br /> <br /> [[Image:Silima.jpg|center|150px]]<br /> <br /> :I am looking for a good [[Mithril]] image (see Talk:John Howe - Mithril), but I can probably create good [[Tilkal]] in Bryce. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 21:29, 24 June 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::Not to rush you or anything, Hyarion, but I was wondering if you had started the templates (I sure wish I knew how to do that. . .). Anyway, I'll try and get the Tilkal image done. Should the image be of a chain or just a close up of the texture? I favor the former. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 14:51, 8 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::I've created the following image of [[Tilkal]] in Bryce (Notice that in varying lights it can be red or green; I prefer red, but I shall upload the green just so you can decide which one you prefer):<br /> <br /> [[Image:Tilkal-red.jpg|center|150px]]<br /> <br /> :::It's pretty big, but that was just in case we might need it for something else. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 16:17, 9 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::And Tilkal in green:<br /> <br /> [[Image:Tilkal-green.jpg|center|150px]]<br /> <br /> :::Which do you prefer? --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 21:49, 9 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Well, I've had an idea for the voting for the "other" awards, such as ''most knowledgeable'', etc. We could have it so that any nominations for the award would be posted on this thread. Then the voting would go on for, say, a two-week period of time. Anyone can vote, but at the end of that period the voting is closed and the award is given or denyed. It must be at least a 2/3 majority. I favor for voting the "Barrow-downs" approach: '''++ Example''' or '''-- Example'''. Just an idea. This would also work for contests, though the period of time would be longer. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 09:51, 10 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> :Well, on Wookiepedia, they have "Wookiepedian of the month", could we think of a similar title for us? -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 15:14, 18 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Alright, I've written out a set of rules as a Word document and copied them here. Tell me what you think.<br /> <br /> Gatekeeper Awards<br /> <br /> ==Awards==<br /> ''Following shall be listed awards and their qualifications.''<br /> <br /> '''Highest Award''': ''The highest award given to a Gatekeeper, only to the very best''<br /> : '''Keeper of the Seventh Gate''' – Qualifications: 2+ year participation, outstanding quality of work, advanced knowledge of subject matter, prominent membership, recognized excellence. ''75% Votes''.<br /> <br /> '''Primary Awards''': ''Primary awards are those most sought after; they reflect the overall status of the Gatekeeper''<br /> : '''Silima Award''' – Qualifications: 2000+ edits, exceptional quality of work, and the creation of at least ten prominent articles. ''75% Votes''.<br /> : '''Tilkal Award''' – Qualifications: 1500+ edits, exceptional quality of work, and the creation of at least five prominent articles. ''65% Votes''.<br /> : '''Mithril Award''' – Qualifications: 1000+ edits, high quality of work. ''60% Votes''.<br /> <br /> '''Quality Awards''': ''Quality is defined as an overall status of the writings, taking into play organization and content''<br /> : '''Aulë Award''' – Qualifications: Exceptional quality of work, knowledge of subject matter. ''60% Votes''.<br /> : '''Telchar Award''' – Qualifications: High quality of work. ''50% Votes''.<br /> <br /> '''Loremaster Awards''': ''Loremaster/Knowledgeability Awards are for those who have a great knowledge of Tolkien’s works, and have put this knowledge to good use''<br /> : '''Mandos Award''' – Qualifications: 750+ edits, high quality of work, proven knowledgeability to the point of encyclopedic knowledge. ''50% Votes''.<br /> : '''Rúmil Award''' – Qualifications: 500+ edits, proven knowledgeability. ''50% Votes''.<br /> : '''Lore Rating''' – These are self-given ratings (0–4) on general knowledge. No votes are required.<br /> <br /> '''Activity Awards''': ''Activity Awards are given to those who are prominent, dedicated, and generally active''<br /> : '''Tulkas Award''' – Qualifications: 1000+ edits, high status of activity, talk is exceptionally logical and worthwhile, considerable contributions. ''50% Votes''.<br /> : '''Fëanor Award''' – Qualifications: 750+ edits, high status of activity, talk is worthwhile. ''50% Votes''.<br /> : '''Edit Rating''' – These are self-given ratings, counting the number of edits (1) 500+, (2) 1000+, (3) 2000+, (4) 5000+, (5) 10,000+. Only one, preferably the highest one, may be displayed in the award box.<br /> <br /> '''Gardener Awards''': ''Gardener Awards are for those who are patient and hard-working; who even if they aren’t very knowledgeable they make Tolkien Gateway a better place''<br /> : '''Yavanna Award''' – Qualifications: Active deletion of vandalism and Spam, active correction of spelling, grammar, and incorrect statements, high dedication. ''75% Votes''.<br /> : '''Samwise Award''' – Qualifications: Active general improvement of articles. ''50% Votes''.<br /> <br /> '''Voting'''<br /> : For all awards but the Highest and Primary Awards voting shall be held for a month in a picked voting thread, which it is recommended that all users add to their watchlist. It is impossible that voters remain anonymous if someone wishes to find out, but they do not need to sign their names. They need only place (in bold) a '''++Yes''' or '''--No''' under the columns designated. Highest and Primary Awards shall have a voting span of one month; all others two weeks. At the end of voting the nominator or a picked administrator shall count up the votes, and depending on the figures given above the award may or may not be awarded to the person in question.<br /> <br /> '''Basic Rules:'''<br /> : Any Gatekeeper can nominate another Gatekeeper, but if they nominate someone who does not qualify to the technical qualifications the voting shall be stopped by an Administrator or another.<br /> : Anyone who votes more than once may be at an administrator’s discretion banned for a maximum period of up to two months. Anyone who sees such cheating should report it immediately by placing it on an administrator’s talk page, not in the main voting thread. Any votes for himself/herself shall be deleted and ignored thereafter. If the voting for himself/herself occurs frequently, they may be punished at a picked administrator’s discretion.<br /> <br /> There was something else that I meant to put down, but I can't remember it. Remind me if I've forgotten something<br /> ----<br /> Fantastic job Narfil! Here are some suggestions that popped into my head:<br /> * ''Keeper of the Seventh Gate'' is good, I also like the sound of ''Guard of the Citadel''.<br /> * Personally I like the idea of requiring a higher percentage of votes to gain the rank, for ''Keeper of the Seventh Gate'' for example I might say 90% or even 100%. Maybe we can allow administrators to void one vote per admin or something similar. In my opinion if someone has a valid reason for not wanting to give someone the title it only makes sense to fix the problem before granting the title.<br /> * Maybe we can think of a better title for ''Primary Awards'', although I can't at the moment.<br /> * We also might consider spreading out the edit gap for the ''Primary Awards, like 1,000 and 5,000 or something. Only 500 edits can be obtained fairly easily. Since the awards are so high on the ladder I almost want to raise the edits to 5,000 and 10,000 or something.<br /> * ''and the creation of at least five prominent articles'' - I would consider changing this to something along the lines of ''and the drastically improving'' or something, as at some time all of the major articles will already be created.<br /> * I think the idea for a month voting for an admin/primary/highest and two weeks for the rest is a good estimate for how long it would take.<br /> * There are numerous ways we can vote, another way would be to have subheadings for "Support" and "Object", the user puts down their username under the heading of their choice and a reason if they want to, a reason would be required for Objections.<br /> * I think we'll have to create a template for placing awards in userpages, like a trophy box. I also like the idea of having all the awards look a certain style and list the name of the award at the bottom of the image. Some 'template' for the image so it doesn't just look like a random picture.<br /> You've got some great ideas though! I'll wait a few more days for everyone to respond and we'll move the information to a permanent page, I think voting should be held off until we get a few more regulars however. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 22:58, 25 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :You just pointed out exactly what I forgot! The creation of an article is, at the voter's discretion, either a completely new prominent article, or the drastic rise from a small article into an organized, complete, and detailed one. The person would be "creating" the article, even if it were already in existance. There are only so many Tolkien subjects, you know, so we might have several other options. . .<br /> :I had been thinking about raising the edit number. It might be a better idea to raise it up to 2000, 5000, and 10,000; or, if we want it simpler (considering that more is required than just a number of edits), 1000, 2500, and 5000. By Seventh Gate, I meant, by the way, the [[Great Gate of Gondolin]]; the [[Gate of Steel]].<br /> :I'll think about what you said about raising the percentage on the more important awards. It does sound good to me. Thanks for your feedback. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 08:42, 26 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Now, if you were to be nominated for a reward, would you be told on your talk page, or what? -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 14:21, 26 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::Great question Aragorn. I think its a good idea to notify the person on the talk page, we can setup a "You have been nominated" template. However I think the person shouldn't be notified right a way because say for example they were nominated for ''Keeper of the Seventh Gate'' when they only had 56 edits and had been registered for 2 weeks, there is no point, so maybe after 24 hours we can add the template, or "at the users discretion" for adding it. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 14:33, 26 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::Good idea. I like it. Now, if only we could get some graphics for the awards... -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 14:53, 26 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::::I'll be happy to do so. What I can do for most of the awards is find images, crop them, and upload them. We already have images for the Silima and Tilkal awards (unless someone objects to them; and I would still like to know Red or Green), and we should be able to find others for the other awards. For instance, I don't know of any Tolkien artist that did [[Aulë]] except [[Ted Nasmith]]. If we cropped the image so that it got his head and maybe a bit of the hammer. . . etc. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 15:18, 26 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::::Well, green is easier to see, but I think red looks best. shall we go with that? -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 11:12, 27 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::::::I agree, green is easier to see. Is there anyway we can add some more color to the outline of the ring to give it more of a solid state? I also still like the idea of including all of the awards in a "template" which has maybe some kind of border, a specific size, and the name of the award at the bottom of the image. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 11:39, 27 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::::::Yeah, that IS a good idea. Now, about that ring, maybe we could blend the red and green, so that it looks, in short, like what the Silmarillion said. Varying in different light. -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 12:05, 27 July 2006 (EDT)</div>

Lord Aragorn1414 https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Forums:User_awards&diff=27704 Forums:User awards 2006-07-27T16:04:52Z

<p>Lord Aragorn1414: /* Awards */</p> <hr /> <div><div style="background: #eee; border: 1px solid #aaa; padding: 5px">'''[[Main Page|Tolkien Gateway]] &gt; [[Forum:Council|Council]] &gt; {{PAGENAME}}'''</div> [[Category:Council]]<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> I have an idea. To encourage editors to edit, we could have three user templates - gold, silver, and bronze (or if you want more Tolkienish names [[Silima]], [[Mithril]], and [[Tilkal]]) - as templates for their user pages. For instance, a "bronze" template could be displayed on their userpage if they had 500 edits, silver if they had 1000 edits, and gold if they had over 2000 edits. Tell me what you think. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 10:02, 20 June 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :I love it! Some wikis have awards that can be given by anyone at random if they consider the user did something award worthy. This makes it difficult as people have different ideas for when someone accomplished something award-worthy. The edit requirement allows for at least some standard to be used. My only concern is that we might be focusing too much on edits when one person rewriting an entire article is much more helpful than simply a minor edit yet they count for the same. But I think in general the edit requirement is probably our best bet. We'll have to play around with some images, I definitely think the Tolkienish names you suggested are the way to go. We can also create other awards too like "Most active" or "Most knowledgeable" etc. because if we use the 500, 1,000, 2,000 standard people are going to have all the awards pretty fast. I kind of like 1000, 10000, 100000 :) Hm, we also need to make a good standard template that the award image is inside of, something that says "Award" at the bottom to identify the image and so if people have multiple awards all the images have the same theme. Great idea Narfil. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 13:54, 20 June 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Only a relatively small amount of editors will ever reach 1000, and only the more active editors will reach 500. 2000 is certainly something to be proud of (on the other hand, Ebakunin reached it pretty quickly!). I see what you mean about the size of edits, but I don't see a way around it though. I really don't think anyone, excepting yourself, will ever reach 100,000 (unless they work for years). 10,000 may warrant a sort of "super-award", because only a few will reach it. Ideas for other awards are as follows:<br /> <br /> *Most active<br /> *Most knowledgeable<br /> *Best writing (needs a better title)<br /> *Hardest working (also needs a better title)<br /> <br /> But with those we could give "character" awards. For instance, "most knowledgeable" would be, say, the "[[Gandalf]]" award (other suggestions include [[Bilbo]] or [[Rúmil]]). "Most active" would be [[Aragorn]] (or [[Fëanor]]). "Best writing" might be [[Bilbo]]. "Hardest working" could be. . . I would have to think about that one. On the other hand, we might have titles. "Most knowledgeable" would be ''Loremaster award'', or etc. Just some ideas. Anyone can add to the list above. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 14:31, 20 June 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :I uploaded the following image for the "Silima" award:<br /> <br /> [[Image:Silima.jpg|center|150px]]<br /> <br /> :I am looking for a good [[Mithril]] image (see Talk:John Howe - Mithril), but I can probably create good [[Tilkal]] in Bryce. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 21:29, 24 June 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::Not to rush you or anything, Hyarion, but I was wondering if you had started the templates (I sure wish I knew how to do that. . .). Anyway, I'll try and get the Tilkal image done. Should the image be of a chain or just a close up of the texture? I favor the former. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 14:51, 8 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::I've created the following image of [[Tilkal]] in Bryce (Notice that in varying lights it can be red or green; I prefer red, but I shall upload the green just so you can decide which one you prefer):<br /> <br /> [[Image:Tilkal-red.jpg|center|150px]]<br /> <br /> :::It's pretty big, but that was just in case we might need it for something else. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 16:17, 9 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::And Tilkal in green:<br /> <br /> [[Image:Tilkal-green.jpg|center|150px]]<br /> <br /> :::Which do you prefer? --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 21:49, 9 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Well, I've had an idea for the voting for the "other" awards, such as ''most knowledgeable'', etc. We could have it so that any nominations for the award would be posted on this thread. Then the voting would go on for, say, a two-week period of time. Anyone can vote, but at the end of that period the voting is closed and the award is given or denyed. It must be at least a 2/3 majority. I favor for voting the "Barrow-downs" approach: '''++ Example''' or '''-- Example'''. Just an idea. This would also work for contests, though the period of time would be longer. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 09:51, 10 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> :Well, on Wookiepedia, they have "Wookiepedian of the month", could we think of a similar title for us? -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 15:14, 18 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Alright, I've written out a set of rules as a Word document and copied them here. Tell me what you think.<br /> <br /> Gatekeeper Awards<br /> <br /> ==Awards==<br /> ''Following shall be listed awards and their qualifications.''<br /> <br /> '''Highest Award''': ''The highest award given to a Gatekeeper, only to the very best''<br /> : '''Keeper of the Seventh Gate''' – Qualifications: 2+ year participation, outstanding quality of work, advanced knowledge of subject matter, prominent membership, recognized excellence. ''75% Votes''.<br /> <br /> '''Primary Awards''': ''Primary awards are those most sought after; they reflect the overall status of the Gatekeeper''<br /> : '''Silima Award''' – Qualifications: 2000+ edits, exceptional quality of work, and the creation of at least ten prominent articles. ''75% Votes''.<br /> : '''Tilkal Award''' – Qualifications: 1500+ edits, exceptional quality of work, and the creation of at least five prominent articles. ''65% Votes''.<br /> : '''Mithril Award''' – Qualifications: 1000+ edits, high quality of work. ''60% Votes''.<br /> <br /> '''Quality Awards''': ''Quality is defined as an overall status of the writings, taking into play organization and content''<br /> : '''Aulë Award''' – Qualifications: Exceptional quality of work, knowledge of subject matter. ''60% Votes''.<br /> : '''Telchar Award''' – Qualifications: High quality of work. ''50% Votes''.<br /> <br /> '''Loremaster Awards''': ''Loremaster/Knowledgeability Awards are for those who have a great knowledge of Tolkien’s works, and have put this knowledge to good use''<br /> : '''Mandos Award''' – Qualifications: 750+ edits, high quality of work, proven knowledgeability to the point of encyclopedic knowledge. ''50% Votes''.<br /> : '''Rúmil Award''' – Qualifications: 500+ edits, proven knowledgeability. ''50% Votes''.<br /> : '''Lore Rating''' – These are self-given ratings (0–4) on general knowledge. No votes are required.<br /> <br /> '''Activity Awards''': ''Activity Awards are given to those who are prominent, dedicated, and generally active''<br /> : '''Tulkas Award''' – Qualifications: 1000+ edits, high status of activity, talk is exceptionally logical and worthwhile, considerable contributions. ''50% Votes''.<br /> : '''Fëanor Award''' – Qualifications: 750+ edits, high status of activity, talk is worthwhile. ''50% Votes''.<br /> : '''Edit Rating''' – These are self-given ratings, counting the number of edits (1) 500+, (2) 1000+, (3) 2000+, (4) 5000+, (5) 10,000+. Only one, preferably the highest one, may be displayed in the award box.<br /> <br /> '''Gardener Awards''': ''Gardener Awards are for those who are patient and hard-working; who even if they aren’t very knowledgeable they make Tolkien Gateway a better place''<br /> : '''Yavanna Award''' – Qualifications: Active deletion of vandalism and Spam, active correction of spelling, grammar, and incorrect statements, high dedication. ''75% Votes''.<br /> : '''Samwise Award''' – Qualifications: Active general improvement of articles. ''50% Votes''.<br /> <br /> '''Voting'''<br /> : For all awards but the Highest and Primary Awards voting shall be held for a month in a picked voting thread, which it is recommended that all users add to their watchlist. It is impossible that voters remain anonymous if someone wishes to find out, but they do not need to sign their names. They need only place (in bold) a '''++Yes''' or '''--No''' under the columns designated. Highest and Primary Awards shall have a voting span of one month; all others two weeks. At the end of voting the nominator or a picked administrator shall count up the votes, and depending on the figures given above the award may or may not be awarded to the person in question.<br /> <br /> '''Basic Rules:'''<br /> : Any Gatekeeper can nominate another Gatekeeper, but if they nominate someone who does not qualify to the technical qualifications the voting shall be stopped by an Administrator or another.<br /> : Anyone who votes more than once may be at an administrator’s discretion banned for a maximum period of up to two months. Anyone who sees such cheating should report it immediately by placing it on an administrator’s talk page, not in the main voting thread. Any votes for himself/herself shall be deleted and ignored thereafter. If the voting for himself/herself occurs frequently, they may be punished at a picked administrator’s discretion.<br /> <br /> There was something else that I meant to put down, but I can't remember it. Remind me if I've forgotten something<br /> ----<br /> Fantastic job Narfil! Here are some suggestions that popped into my head:<br /> * ''Keeper of the Seventh Gate'' is good, I also like the sound of ''Guard of the Citadel''.<br /> * Personally I like the idea of requiring a higher percentage of votes to gain the rank, for ''Keeper of the Seventh Gate'' for example I might say 90% or even 100%. Maybe we can allow administrators to void one vote per admin or something similar. In my opinion if someone has a valid reason for not wanting to give someone the title it only makes sense to fix the problem before granting the title.<br /> * Maybe we can think of a better title for ''Primary Awards'', although I can't at the moment.<br /> * We also might consider spreading out the edit gap for the ''Primary Awards, like 1,000 and 5,000 or something. Only 500 edits can be obtained fairly easily. Since the awards are so high on the ladder I almost want to raise the edits to 5,000 and 10,000 or something.<br /> * ''and the creation of at least five prominent articles'' - I would consider changing this to something along the lines of ''and the drastically improving'' or something, as at some time all of the major articles will already be created.<br /> * I think the idea for a month voting for an admin/primary/highest and two weeks for the rest is a good estimate for how long it would take.<br /> * There are numerous ways we can vote, another way would be to have subheadings for "Support" and "Object", the user puts down their username under the heading of their choice and a reason if they want to, a reason would be required for Objections.<br /> * I think we'll have to create a template for placing awards in userpages, like a trophy box. I also like the idea of having all the awards look a certain style and list the name of the award at the bottom of the image. Some 'template' for the image so it doesn't just look like a random picture.<br /> You've got some great ideas though! I'll wait a few more days for everyone to respond and we'll move the information to a permanent page, I think voting should be held off until we get a few more regulars however. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 22:58, 25 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :You just pointed out exactly what I forgot! The creation of an article is, at the voter's discretion, either a completely new prominent article, or the drastic rise from a small article into an organized, complete, and detailed one. The person would be "creating" the article, even if it were already in existance. There are only so many Tolkien subjects, you know, so we might have several other options. . .<br /> :I had been thinking about raising the edit number. It might be a better idea to raise it up to 2000, 5000, and 10,000; or, if we want it simpler (considering that more is required than just a number of edits), 1000, 2500, and 5000. By Seventh Gate, I meant, by the way, the [[Great Gate of Gondolin]]; the [[Gate of Steel]].<br /> :I'll think about what you said about raising the percentage on the more important awards. It does sound good to me. Thanks for your feedback. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 08:42, 26 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Now, if you were to be nominated for a reward, would you be told on your talk page, or what? -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 14:21, 26 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::Great question Aragorn. I think its a good idea to notify the person on the talk page, we can setup a "You have been nominated" template. However I think the person shouldn't be notified right a way because say for example they were nominated for ''Keeper of the Seventh Gate'' when they only had 56 edits and had been registered for 2 weeks, there is no point, so maybe after 24 hours we can add the template, or "at the users discretion" for adding it. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 14:33, 26 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::Good idea. I like it. Now, if only we could get some graphics for the awards... -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 14:53, 26 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::::I'll be happy to do so. What I can do for most of the awards is find images, crop them, and upload them. We already have images for the Silima and Tilkal awards (unless someone objects to them; and I would still like to know Red or Green), and we should be able to find others for the other awards. For instance, I don't know of any Tolkien artist that did [[Aulë]] except [[Ted Nasmith]]. If we cropped the image so that it got his head and maybe a bit of the hammer. . . etc. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 15:18, 26 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::::Well, green is easier to see, but I think red looks best. shall we go with that? -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 11:12, 27 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::::::I agree, green is easier to see. Is there anyway we can add some more color to the outline of the ring to give it more of a solid state? I also still like the idea of including all of the awards in a "template" which has maybe some kind of border, a specific size, and the name of the award at the bottom of the image. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 11:39, 27 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::::::Yeah, that IS a good idea. Now, about that ring, maybe we could blend the red and green, so that it looks, in short, like what the Silmarillion said. Varying in different light.</div>

Lord Aragorn1414 https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Forums:User_awards&diff=27701 Forums:User awards 2006-07-27T15:12:49Z

<p>Lord Aragorn1414: /* Awards */</p> <hr /> <div><div style="background: #eee; border: 1px solid #aaa; padding: 5px">'''[[Main Page|Tolkien Gateway]] &gt; [[Forum:Council|Council]] &gt; {{PAGENAME}}'''</div> [[Category:Council]]<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> I have an idea. To encourage editors to edit, we could have three user templates - gold, silver, and bronze (or if you want more Tolkienish names [[Silima]], [[Mithril]], and [[Tilkal]]) - as templates for their user pages. For instance, a "bronze" template could be displayed on their userpage if they had 500 edits, silver if they had 1000 edits, and gold if they had over 2000 edits. Tell me what you think. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 10:02, 20 June 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :I love it! Some wikis have awards that can be given by anyone at random if they consider the user did something award worthy. This makes it difficult as people have different ideas for when someone accomplished something award-worthy. The edit requirement allows for at least some standard to be used. My only concern is that we might be focusing too much on edits when one person rewriting an entire article is much more helpful than simply a minor edit yet they count for the same. But I think in general the edit requirement is probably our best bet. We'll have to play around with some images, I definitely think the Tolkienish names you suggested are the way to go. We can also create other awards too like "Most active" or "Most knowledgeable" etc. because if we use the 500, 1,000, 2,000 standard people are going to have all the awards pretty fast. I kind of like 1000, 10000, 100000 :) Hm, we also need to make a good standard template that the award image is inside of, something that says "Award" at the bottom to identify the image and so if people have multiple awards all the images have the same theme. Great idea Narfil. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 13:54, 20 June 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Only a relatively small amount of editors will ever reach 1000, and only the more active editors will reach 500. 2000 is certainly something to be proud of (on the other hand, Ebakunin reached it pretty quickly!). I see what you mean about the size of edits, but I don't see a way around it though. I really don't think anyone, excepting yourself, will ever reach 100,000 (unless they work for years). 10,000 may warrant a sort of "super-award", because only a few will reach it. Ideas for other awards are as follows:<br /> <br /> *Most active<br /> *Most knowledgeable<br /> *Best writing (needs a better title)<br /> *Hardest working (also needs a better title)<br /> <br /> But with those we could give "character" awards. For instance, "most knowledgeable" would be, say, the "[[Gandalf]]" award (other suggestions include [[Bilbo]] or [[Rúmil]]). "Most active" would be [[Aragorn]] (or [[Fëanor]]). "Best writing" might be [[Bilbo]]. "Hardest working" could be. . . I would have to think about that one. On the other hand, we might have titles. "Most knowledgeable" would be ''Loremaster award'', or etc. Just some ideas. Anyone can add to the list above. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 14:31, 20 June 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :I uploaded the following image for the "Silima" award:<br /> <br /> [[Image:Silima.jpg|center|150px]]<br /> <br /> :I am looking for a good [[Mithril]] image (see Talk:John Howe - Mithril), but I can probably create good [[Tilkal]] in Bryce. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 21:29, 24 June 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::Not to rush you or anything, Hyarion, but I was wondering if you had started the templates (I sure wish I knew how to do that. . .). Anyway, I'll try and get the Tilkal image done. Should the image be of a chain or just a close up of the texture? I favor the former. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 14:51, 8 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::I've created the following image of [[Tilkal]] in Bryce (Notice that in varying lights it can be red or green; I prefer red, but I shall upload the green just so you can decide which one you prefer):<br /> <br /> [[Image:Tilkal-red.jpg|center|150px]]<br /> <br /> :::It's pretty big, but that was just in case we might need it for something else. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 16:17, 9 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::And Tilkal in green:<br /> <br /> [[Image:Tilkal-green.jpg|center|150px]]<br /> <br /> :::Which do you prefer? --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 21:49, 9 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Well, I've had an idea for the voting for the "other" awards, such as ''most knowledgeable'', etc. We could have it so that any nominations for the award would be posted on this thread. Then the voting would go on for, say, a two-week period of time. Anyone can vote, but at the end of that period the voting is closed and the award is given or denyed. It must be at least a 2/3 majority. I favor for voting the "Barrow-downs" approach: '''++ Example''' or '''-- Example'''. Just an idea. This would also work for contests, though the period of time would be longer. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 09:51, 10 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> :Well, on Wookiepedia, they have "Wookiepedian of the month", could we think of a similar title for us? -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 15:14, 18 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Alright, I've written out a set of rules as a Word document and copied them here. Tell me what you think.<br /> <br /> Gatekeeper Awards<br /> <br /> ==Awards==<br /> ''Following shall be listed awards and their qualifications.''<br /> <br /> '''Highest Award''': ''The highest award given to a Gatekeeper, only to the very best''<br /> : '''Keeper of the Seventh Gate''' – Qualifications: 2+ year participation, outstanding quality of work, advanced knowledge of subject matter, prominent membership, recognized excellence. ''75% Votes''.<br /> <br /> '''Primary Awards''': ''Primary awards are those most sought after; they reflect the overall status of the Gatekeeper''<br /> : '''Silima Award''' – Qualifications: 2000+ edits, exceptional quality of work, and the creation of at least ten prominent articles. ''75% Votes''.<br /> : '''Tilkal Award''' – Qualifications: 1500+ edits, exceptional quality of work, and the creation of at least five prominent articles. ''65% Votes''.<br /> : '''Mithril Award''' – Qualifications: 1000+ edits, high quality of work. ''60% Votes''.<br /> <br /> '''Quality Awards''': ''Quality is defined as an overall status of the writings, taking into play organization and content''<br /> : '''Aulë Award''' – Qualifications: Exceptional quality of work, knowledge of subject matter. ''60% Votes''.<br /> : '''Telchar Award''' – Qualifications: High quality of work. ''50% Votes''.<br /> <br /> '''Loremaster Awards''': ''Loremaster/Knowledgeability Awards are for those who have a great knowledge of Tolkien’s works, and have put this knowledge to good use''<br /> : '''Mandos Award''' – Qualifications: 750+ edits, high quality of work, proven knowledgeability to the point of encyclopedic knowledge. ''50% Votes''.<br /> : '''Rúmil Award''' – Qualifications: 500+ edits, proven knowledgeability. ''50% Votes''.<br /> : '''Lore Rating''' – These are self-given ratings (0–4) on general knowledge. No votes are required.<br /> <br /> '''Activity Awards''': ''Activity Awards are given to those who are prominent, dedicated, and generally active''<br /> : '''Tulkas Award''' – Qualifications: 1000+ edits, high status of activity, talk is exceptionally logical and worthwhile, considerable contributions. ''50% Votes''.<br /> : '''Fëanor Award''' – Qualifications: 750+ edits, high status of activity, talk is worthwhile. ''50% Votes''.<br /> : '''Edit Rating''' – These are self-given ratings, counting the number of edits (1) 500+, (2) 1000+, (3) 2000+, (4) 5000+, (5) 10,000+. Only one, preferably the highest one, may be displayed in the award box.<br /> <br /> '''Gardener Awards''': ''Gardener Awards are for those who are patient and hard-working; who even if they aren’t very knowledgeable they make Tolkien Gateway a better place''<br /> : '''Yavanna Award''' – Qualifications: Active deletion of vandalism and Spam, active correction of spelling, grammar, and incorrect statements, high dedication. ''75% Votes''.<br /> : '''Samwise Award''' – Qualifications: Active general improvement of articles. ''50% Votes''.<br /> <br /> '''Voting'''<br /> : For all awards but the Highest and Primary Awards voting shall be held for a month in a picked voting thread, which it is recommended that all users add to their watchlist. It is impossible that voters remain anonymous if someone wishes to find out, but they do not need to sign their names. They need only place (in bold) a '''++Yes''' or '''--No''' under the columns designated. Highest and Primary Awards shall have a voting span of one month; all others two weeks. At the end of voting the nominator or a picked administrator shall count up the votes, and depending on the figures given above the award may or may not be awarded to the person in question.<br /> <br /> '''Basic Rules:'''<br /> : Any Gatekeeper can nominate another Gatekeeper, but if they nominate someone who does not qualify to the technical qualifications the voting shall be stopped by an Administrator or another.<br /> : Anyone who votes more than once may be at an administrator’s discretion banned for a maximum period of up to two months. Anyone who sees such cheating should report it immediately by placing it on an administrator’s talk page, not in the main voting thread. Any votes for himself/herself shall be deleted and ignored thereafter. If the voting for himself/herself occurs frequently, they may be punished at a picked administrator’s discretion.<br /> <br /> There was something else that I meant to put down, but I can't remember it. Remind me if I've forgotten something<br /> ----<br /> Fantastic job Narfil! Here are some suggestions that popped into my head:<br /> * ''Keeper of the Seventh Gate'' is good, I also like the sound of ''Guard of the Citadel''.<br /> * Personally I like the idea of requiring a higher percentage of votes to gain the rank, for ''Keeper of the Seventh Gate'' for example I might say 90% or even 100%. Maybe we can allow administrators to void one vote per admin or something similar. In my opinion if someone has a valid reason for not wanting to give someone the title it only makes sense to fix the problem before granting the title.<br /> * Maybe we can think of a better title for ''Primary Awards'', although I can't at the moment.<br /> * We also might consider spreading out the edit gap for the ''Primary Awards, like 1,000 and 5,000 or something. Only 500 edits can be obtained fairly easily. Since the awards are so high on the ladder I almost want to raise the edits to 5,000 and 10,000 or something.<br /> * ''and the creation of at least five prominent articles'' - I would consider changing this to something along the lines of ''and the drastically improving'' or something, as at some time all of the major articles will already be created.<br /> * I think the idea for a month voting for an admin/primary/highest and two weeks for the rest is a good estimate for how long it would take.<br /> * There are numerous ways we can vote, another way would be to have subheadings for "Support" and "Object", the user puts down their username under the heading of their choice and a reason if they want to, a reason would be required for Objections.<br /> * I think we'll have to create a template for placing awards in userpages, like a trophy box. I also like the idea of having all the awards look a certain style and list the name of the award at the bottom of the image. Some 'template' for the image so it doesn't just look like a random picture.<br /> You've got some great ideas though! I'll wait a few more days for everyone to respond and we'll move the information to a permanent page, I think voting should be held off until we get a few more regulars however. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 22:58, 25 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :You just pointed out exactly what I forgot! The creation of an article is, at the voter's discretion, either a completely new prominent article, or the drastic rise from a small article into an organized, complete, and detailed one. The person would be "creating" the article, even if it were already in existance. There are only so many Tolkien subjects, you know, so we might have several other options. . .<br /> :I had been thinking about raising the edit number. It might be a better idea to raise it up to 2000, 5000, and 10,000; or, if we want it simpler (considering that more is required than just a number of edits), 1000, 2500, and 5000. By Seventh Gate, I meant, by the way, the [[Great Gate of Gondolin]]; the [[Gate of Steel]].<br /> :I'll think about what you said about raising the percentage on the more important awards. It does sound good to me. Thanks for your feedback. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 08:42, 26 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Now, if you were to be nominated for a reward, would you be told on your talk page, or what? -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 14:21, 26 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::Great question Aragorn. I think its a good idea to notify the person on the talk page, we can setup a "You have been nominated" template. However I think the person shouldn't be notified right a way because say for example they were nominated for ''Keeper of the Seventh Gate'' when they only had 56 edits and had been registered for 2 weeks, there is no point, so maybe after 24 hours we can add the template, or "at the users discretion" for adding it. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 14:33, 26 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::Good idea. I like it. Now, if only we could get some graphics for the awards... -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 14:53, 26 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::::I'll be happy to do so. What I can do for most of the awards is find images, crop them, and upload them. We already have images for the Silima and Tilkal awards (unless someone objects to them; and I would still like to know Red or Green), and we should be able to find others for the other awards. For instance, I don't know of any Tolkien artist that did [[Aulë]] except [[Ted Nasmith]]. If we cropped the image so that it got his head and maybe a bit of the hammer. . . etc. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 15:18, 26 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::::Well, green is easier to see, but I think red looks best. shall we go with that? -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 11:12, 27 July 2006 (EDT)</div>

Lord Aragorn1414 https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Forums:Music_categories&diff=27630 Forums:Music categories 2006-07-26T18:55:28Z

<p>Lord Aragorn1414: </p> <hr /> <div><div style="background: #eee; border: 1px solid #aaa; padding: 5px">'''[[Main Page|Tolkien Gateway]] &gt; [[Forum:Council|Council]] &gt; {{PAGENAME}}'''</div> [[Category:Council]]<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> Hi all. I think we need to start making articles on all the music that envolves Tolkein's works. I think that maybe Howard Shore's works should be articles by themselves ("''Gollum's Song''", "''Into the West''", "''May it Be''", etcetera). How exactly do we want to do this? Let's get it orginized. -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 14:23, 18 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Yes that's another thing we need to get going. I'd really like to see an entire ''Music Portal'' which features information on bands, songs, downloadable audio files, etc. Eventually I'd like to see at least an article for every band listed on [http://www.tolkien-music.com/ Tolkien-Music.com], though that will take some time. I suppose Shore's works are well known enough that they could constitute an entire article for a single song, possibly listing lyrics and other information about it. Maybe we should name the articles something like ''Howard Shore - Gollum's Song'' or something similar. A good idea might be to go through the Tolkien-Music.com list and starting with the A's create an article for every band, if the band has a name like [[Angband]] which is already taken then we can call it ''Angband (band)'' or something similar. I think we can be more picky however as the website lists quite a few bands who I wouldn't consider to be Tolkien-themed. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 14:01, 18 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::Alright. I've done the lyrics for ''[[Into the West]]'', now we just need the same for the other three songs. -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 14:55, 26 July 2006 (EDT)</div>

Lord Aragorn1414 https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Forums:User_awards&diff=27629 Forums:User awards 2006-07-26T18:53:17Z

<p>Lord Aragorn1414: /* Awards */</p> <hr /> <div><div style="background: #eee; border: 1px solid #aaa; padding: 5px">'''[[Main Page|Tolkien Gateway]] &gt; [[Forum:Council|Council]] &gt; {{PAGENAME}}'''</div> [[Category:Council]]<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> I have an idea. To encourage editors to edit, we could have three user templates - gold, silver, and bronze (or if you want more Tolkienish names [[Silima]], [[Mithril]], and [[Tilkal]]) - as templates for their user pages. For instance, a "bronze" template could be displayed on their userpage if they had 500 edits, silver if they had 1000 edits, and gold if they had over 2000 edits. Tell me what you think. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 10:02, 20 June 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :I love it! Some wikis have awards that can be given by anyone at random if they consider the user did something award worthy. This makes it difficult as people have different ideas for when someone accomplished something award-worthy. The edit requirement allows for at least some standard to be used. My only concern is that we might be focusing too much on edits when one person rewriting an entire article is much more helpful than simply a minor edit yet they count for the same. But I think in general the edit requirement is probably our best bet. We'll have to play around with some images, I definitely think the Tolkienish names you suggested are the way to go. We can also create other awards too like "Most active" or "Most knowledgeable" etc. because if we use the 500, 1,000, 2,000 standard people are going to have all the awards pretty fast. I kind of like 1000, 10000, 100000 :) Hm, we also need to make a good standard template that the award image is inside of, something that says "Award" at the bottom to identify the image and so if people have multiple awards all the images have the same theme. Great idea Narfil. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 13:54, 20 June 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Only a relatively small amount of editors will ever reach 1000, and only the more active editors will reach 500. 2000 is certainly something to be proud of (on the other hand, Ebakunin reached it pretty quickly!). I see what you mean about the size of edits, but I don't see a way around it though. I really don't think anyone, excepting yourself, will ever reach 100,000 (unless they work for years). 10,000 may warrant a sort of "super-award", because only a few will reach it. Ideas for other awards are as follows:<br /> <br /> *Most active<br /> *Most knowledgeable<br /> *Best writing (needs a better title)<br /> *Hardest working (also needs a better title)<br /> <br /> But with those we could give "character" awards. For instance, "most knowledgeable" would be, say, the "[[Gandalf]]" award (other suggestions include [[Bilbo]] or [[Rúmil]]). "Most active" would be [[Aragorn]] (or [[Fëanor]]). "Best writing" might be [[Bilbo]]. "Hardest working" could be. . . I would have to think about that one. On the other hand, we might have titles. "Most knowledgeable" would be ''Loremaster award'', or etc. Just some ideas. Anyone can add to the list above. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 14:31, 20 June 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :I uploaded the following image for the "Silima" award:<br /> <br /> [[Image:Silima.jpg|center|150px]]<br /> <br /> :I am looking for a good [[Mithril]] image (see Talk:John Howe - Mithril), but I can probably create good [[Tilkal]] in Bryce. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 21:29, 24 June 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::Not to rush you or anything, Hyarion, but I was wondering if you had started the templates (I sure wish I knew how to do that. . .). Anyway, I'll try and get the Tilkal image done. Should the image be of a chain or just a close up of the texture? I favor the former. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 14:51, 8 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::I've created the following image of [[Tilkal]] in Bryce (Notice that in varying lights it can be red or green; I prefer red, but I shall upload the green just so you can decide which one you prefer):<br /> <br /> [[Image:Tilkal-red.jpg|center|150px]]<br /> <br /> :::It's pretty big, but that was just in case we might need it for something else. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 16:17, 9 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::And Tilkal in green:<br /> <br /> [[Image:Tilkal-green.jpg|center|150px]]<br /> <br /> :::Which do you prefer? --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 21:49, 9 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Well, I've had an idea for the voting for the "other" awards, such as ''most knowledgeable'', etc. We could have it so that any nominations for the award would be posted on this thread. Then the voting would go on for, say, a two-week period of time. Anyone can vote, but at the end of that period the voting is closed and the award is given or denyed. It must be at least a 2/3 majority. I favor for voting the "Barrow-downs" approach: '''++ Example''' or '''-- Example'''. Just an idea. This would also work for contests, though the period of time would be longer. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 09:51, 10 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> :Well, on Wookiepedia, they have "Wookiepedian of the month", could we think of a similar title for us? -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 15:14, 18 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Alright, I've written out a set of rules as a Word document and copied them here. Tell me what you think.<br /> <br /> Gatekeeper Awards<br /> <br /> ==Awards==<br /> ''Following shall be listed awards and their qualifications.''<br /> <br /> '''Highest Award''': ''The highest award given to a Gatekeeper, only to the very best''<br /> '''Keeper of the Seventh Gate''' – Qualifications: 2+ year participation, outstanding quality of work, advanced knowledge of subject matter, prominent membership, recognized excellence. ''75% Votes''.<br /> <br /> '''Primary Awards''': ''Primary awards are those most sought after; they reflect the overall status of the Gatekeeper''<br /> '''Silima Award''' – Qualifications: 2000+ edits, exceptional quality of work, and the creation of at least ten prominent articles. ''75% Votes''.<br /> : '''Tilkal Award''' – Qualifications: 1500+ edits, exceptional quality of work, and the creation of at least five prominent articles. ''65% Votes''.<br /> : '''Mithril Award''' – Qualifications: 1000+ edits, high quality of work. ''60% Votes''.<br /> <br /> '''Quality Awards''': ''Quality is defined as an overall status of the writings, taking into play organization and content''<br /> : '''Aulë Award''' – Qualifications: Exceptional quality of work, knowledge of subject matter. ''60% Votes''.<br /> : '''Telchar Award''' – Qualifications: High quality of work. ''50% Votes''.<br /> <br /> '''Loremaster Awards''': ''Loremaster/Knowledgeability Awards are for those who have a great knowledge of Tolkien’s works, and have put this knowledge to good use''<br /> : '''Mandos Award''' – Qualifications: 750+ edits, high quality of work, proven knowledgeability to the point of encyclopedic knowledge. ''50% Votes''.<br /> : '''Rúmil Award''' – Qualifications: 500+ edits, proven knowledgeability. ''50% Votes''.<br /> : '''Lore Rating''' – These are self-given ratings (0–4) on general knowledge. No votes are required.<br /> <br /> '''Activity Awards''': ''Activity Awards are given to those who are prominent, dedicated, and generally active''<br /> : '''Tulkas Award''' – Qualifications: 1000+ edits, high status of activity, talk is exceptionally logical and worthwhile, considerable contributions. ''50% Votes''.<br /> : '''Fëanor Award''' – Qualifications: 750+ edits, high status of activity, talk is worthwhile. ''50% Votes''.<br /> : '''Edit Rating''' – These are self-given ratings, counting the number of edits (1) 500+, (2) 1000+, (3) 2000+, (4) 5000+, (5) 10,000+. Only one, preferably the highest one, may be displayed in the award box.<br /> <br /> '''Gardener Awards''': ''Gardener Awards are for those who are patient and hard-working; who even if they aren’t very knowledgeable they make Tolkien Gateway a better place''<br /> : '''Yavanna Award''' – Qualifications: Active deletion of vandalism and Spam, active correction of spelling, grammar, and incorrect statements, high dedication. ''75% Votes''.<br /> : '''Samwise Award''' – Qualifications: Active general improvement of articles. ''50% Votes''.<br /> <br /> '''Voting'''<br /> : For all awards but the Highest and Primary Awards voting shall be held for a month in a picked voting thread, which it is recommended that all users add to their watchlist. It is impossible that voters remain anonymous if someone wishes to find out, but they do not need to sign their names. They need only place (in bold) a '''++Yes''' or '''--No''' under the columns designated. Highest and Primary Awards shall have a voting span of one month; all others two weeks. At the end of voting the nominator or a picked administrator shall count up the votes, and depending on the figures given above the award may or may not be awarded to the person in question.<br /> <br /> '''Basic Rules:'''<br /> : Any Gatekeeper can nominate another Gatekeeper, but if they nominate someone who does not qualify to the technical qualifications the voting shall be stopped by an Administrator or another.<br /> : Anyone who votes more than once may be at an administrator’s discretion banned for a maximum period of up to two months. Anyone who sees such cheating should report it immediately by placing it on an administrator’s talk page, not in the main voting thread. Any votes for himself/herself shall be deleted and ignored thereafter. If the voting for himself/herself occurs frequently, they may be punished at a picked administrator’s discretion.<br /> <br /> There was something else that I meant to put down, but I can't remember it. Remind me if I've forgotten something<br /> ----<br /> Fantastic job Narfil! Here are some suggestions that popped into my head:<br /> * ''Keeper of the Seventh Gate'' is good, I also like the sound of ''Guard of the Citadel''.<br /> * Personally I like the idea of requiring a higher percentage of votes to gain the rank, for ''Keeper of the Seventh Gate'' for example I might say 90% or even 100%. Maybe we can allow administrators to void one vote per admin or something similar. In my opinion if someone has a valid reason for not wanting to give someone the title it only makes sense to fix the problem before granting the title.<br /> * Maybe we can think of a better title for ''Primary Awards'', although I can't at the moment.<br /> * We also might consider spreading out the edit gap for the ''Primary Awards, like 1,000 and 5,000 or something. Only 500 edits can be obtained fairly easily. Since the awards are so high on the ladder I almost want to raise the edits to 5,000 and 10,000 or something.<br /> * ''and the creation of at least five prominent articles'' - I would consider changing this to something along the lines of ''and the drastically improving'' or something, as at some time all of the major articles will already be created.<br /> * I think the idea for a month voting for an admin/primary/highest and two weeks for the rest is a good estimate for how long it would take.<br /> * There are numerous ways we can vote, another way would be to have subheadings for "Support" and "Object", the user puts down their username under the heading of their choice and a reason if they want to, a reason would be required for Objections.<br /> * I think we'll have to create a template for placing awards in userpages, like a trophy box. I also like the idea of having all the awards look a certain style and list the name of the award at the bottom of the image. Some 'template' for the image so it doesn't just look like a random picture.<br /> You've got some great ideas though! I'll wait a few more days for everyone to respond and we'll move the information to a permanent page, I think voting should be held off until we get a few more regulars however. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 22:58, 25 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :You just pointed out exactly what I forgot! The creation of an article is, at the voter's discretion, either a completely new prominent article, or the drastic rise from a small article into an organized, complete, and detailed one. The person would be "creating" the article, even if it were already in existance. There are only so many Tolkien subjects, you know, so we might have several other options. . .<br /> :I had been thinking about raising the edit number. It might be a better idea to raise it up to 2000, 5000, and 10,000; or, if we want it simpler (considering that more is required than just a number of edits), 1000, 2500, and 5000. By Seventh Gate, I meant, by the way, the [[Great Gate of Gondolin]]; the [[Gate of Steel]].<br /> :I'll think about what you said about raising the percentage on the more important awards. It does sound good to me. Thanks for your feedback. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 08:42, 26 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Now, if you were to be nominated for a reward, would you be told on your talk page, or what? -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 14:21, 26 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::Great question Aragorn. I think its a good idea to notify the person on the talk page, we can setup a "You have been nominated" template. However I think the person shouldn't be notified right a way because say for example they were nominated for ''Keeper of the Seventh Gate'' when they only had 56 edits and had been registered for 2 weeks, there is no point, so maybe after 24 hours we can add the template, or "at the users discretion" for adding it. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 14:33, 26 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::Good idea. I like it. Now, if only we could get some graphics for the awards... -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 14:53, 26 July 2006 (EDT)</div>

Lord Aragorn1414 https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Forums:User_awards&diff=27626 Forums:User awards 2006-07-26T18:21:23Z

<p>Lord Aragorn1414: /* Awards */</p> <hr /> <div><div style="background: #eee; border: 1px solid #aaa; padding: 5px">'''[[Main Page|Tolkien Gateway]] &gt; [[Forum:Council|Council]] &gt; {{PAGENAME}}'''</div> [[Category:Council]]<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> I have an idea. To encourage editors to edit, we could have three user templates - gold, silver, and bronze (or if you want more Tolkienish names [[Silima]], [[Mithril]], and [[Tilkal]]) - as templates for their user pages. For instance, a "bronze" template could be displayed on their userpage if they had 500 edits, silver if they had 1000 edits, and gold if they had over 2000 edits. Tell me what you think. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 10:02, 20 June 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :I love it! Some wikis have awards that can be given by anyone at random if they consider the user did something award worthy. This makes it difficult as people have different ideas for when someone accomplished something award-worthy. The edit requirement allows for at least some standard to be used. My only concern is that we might be focusing too much on edits when one person rewriting an entire article is much more helpful than simply a minor edit yet they count for the same. But I think in general the edit requirement is probably our best bet. We'll have to play around with some images, I definitely think the Tolkienish names you suggested are the way to go. We can also create other awards too like "Most active" or "Most knowledgeable" etc. because if we use the 500, 1,000, 2,000 standard people are going to have all the awards pretty fast. I kind of like 1000, 10000, 100000 :) Hm, we also need to make a good standard template that the award image is inside of, something that says "Award" at the bottom to identify the image and so if people have multiple awards all the images have the same theme. Great idea Narfil. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 13:54, 20 June 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Only a relatively small amount of editors will ever reach 1000, and only the more active editors will reach 500. 2000 is certainly something to be proud of (on the other hand, Ebakunin reached it pretty quickly!). I see what you mean about the size of edits, but I don't see a way around it though. I really don't think anyone, excepting yourself, will ever reach 100,000 (unless they work for years). 10,000 may warrant a sort of "super-award", because only a few will reach it. Ideas for other awards are as follows:<br /> <br /> *Most active<br /> *Most knowledgeable<br /> *Best writing (needs a better title)<br /> *Hardest working (also needs a better title)<br /> <br /> But with those we could give "character" awards. For instance, "most knowledgeable" would be, say, the "[[Gandalf]]" award (other suggestions include [[Bilbo]] or [[Rúmil]]). "Most active" would be [[Aragorn]] (or [[Fëanor]]). "Best writing" might be [[Bilbo]]. "Hardest working" could be. . . I would have to think about that one. On the other hand, we might have titles. "Most knowledgeable" would be ''Loremaster award'', or etc. Just some ideas. Anyone can add to the list above. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 14:31, 20 June 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :I uploaded the following image for the "Silima" award:<br /> <br /> [[Image:Silima.jpg|center|150px]]<br /> <br /> :I am looking for a good [[Mithril]] image (see Talk:John Howe - Mithril), but I can probably create good [[Tilkal]] in Bryce. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 21:29, 24 June 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::Not to rush you or anything, Hyarion, but I was wondering if you had started the templates (I sure wish I knew how to do that. . .). Anyway, I'll try and get the Tilkal image done. Should the image be of a chain or just a close up of the texture? I favor the former. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 14:51, 8 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::I've created the following image of [[Tilkal]] in Bryce (Notice that in varying lights it can be red or green; I prefer red, but I shall upload the green just so you can decide which one you prefer):<br /> <br /> [[Image:Tilkal-red.jpg|center|150px]]<br /> <br /> :::It's pretty big, but that was just in case we might need it for something else. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 16:17, 9 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::And Tilkal in green:<br /> <br /> [[Image:Tilkal-green.jpg|center|150px]]<br /> <br /> :::Which do you prefer? --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 21:49, 9 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Well, I've had an idea for the voting for the "other" awards, such as ''most knowledgeable'', etc. We could have it so that any nominations for the award would be posted on this thread. Then the voting would go on for, say, a two-week period of time. Anyone can vote, but at the end of that period the voting is closed and the award is given or denyed. It must be at least a 2/3 majority. I favor for voting the "Barrow-downs" approach: '''++ Example''' or '''-- Example'''. Just an idea. This would also work for contests, though the period of time would be longer. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 09:51, 10 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> :Well, on Wookiepedia, they have "Wookiepedian of the month", could we think of a similar title for us? -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 15:14, 18 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Alright, I've written out a set of rules as a Word document and copied them here. Tell me what you think.<br /> <br /> Gatekeeper Awards<br /> <br /> ==Awards==<br /> ''Following shall be listed awards and their qualifications.''<br /> <br /> '''Highest Award''': ''The highest award given to a Gatekeeper, only to the very best''<br /> '''Keeper of the Seventh Gate''' – Qualifications: 2+ year participation, outstanding quality of work, advanced knowledge of subject matter, prominent membership, recognized excellence. ''75% Votes''.<br /> <br /> '''Primary Awards''': ''Primary awards are those most sought after; they reflect the overall status of the Gatekeeper''<br /> '''Silima Award''' – Qualifications: 2000+ edits, exceptional quality of work, and the creation of at least ten prominent articles. ''75% Votes''.<br /> : '''Tilkal Award''' – Qualifications: 1500+ edits, exceptional quality of work, and the creation of at least five prominent articles. ''65% Votes''.<br /> : '''Mithril Award''' – Qualifications: 1000+ edits, high quality of work. ''60% Votes''.<br /> <br /> '''Quality Awards''': ''Quality is defined as an overall status of the writings, taking into play organization and content''<br /> : '''Aulë Award''' – Qualifications: Exceptional quality of work, knowledge of subject matter. ''60% Votes''.<br /> : '''Telchar Award''' – Qualifications: High quality of work. ''50% Votes''.<br /> <br /> '''Loremaster Awards''': ''Loremaster/Knowledgeability Awards are for those who have a great knowledge of Tolkien’s works, and have put this knowledge to good use''<br /> : '''Mandos Award''' – Qualifications: 750+ edits, high quality of work, proven knowledgeability to the point of encyclopedic knowledge. ''50% Votes''.<br /> : '''Rúmil Award''' – Qualifications: 500+ edits, proven knowledgeability. ''50% Votes''.<br /> : '''Lore Rating''' – These are self-given ratings (0–4) on general knowledge. No votes are required.<br /> <br /> '''Activity Awards''': ''Activity Awards are given to those who are prominent, dedicated, and generally active''<br /> : '''Tulkas Award''' – Qualifications: 1000+ edits, high status of activity, talk is exceptionally logical and worthwhile, considerable contributions. ''50% Votes''.<br /> : '''Fëanor Award''' – Qualifications: 750+ edits, high status of activity, talk is worthwhile. ''50% Votes''.<br /> : '''Edit Rating''' – These are self-given ratings, counting the number of edits (1) 500+, (2) 1000+, (3) 2000+, (4) 5000+, (5) 10,000+. Only one, preferably the highest one, may be displayed in the award box.<br /> <br /> '''Gardener Awards''': ''Gardener Awards are for those who are patient and hard-working; who even if they aren’t very knowledgeable they make Tolkien Gateway a better place''<br /> : '''Yavanna Award''' – Qualifications: Active deletion of vandalism and Spam, active correction of spelling, grammar, and incorrect statements, high dedication. ''75% Votes''.<br /> : '''Samwise Award''' – Qualifications: Active general improvement of articles. ''50% Votes''.<br /> <br /> '''Voting'''<br /> : For all awards but the Highest and Primary Awards voting shall be held for a month in a picked voting thread, which it is recommended that all users add to their watchlist. It is impossible that voters remain anonymous if someone wishes to find out, but they do not need to sign their names. They need only place (in bold) a '''++Yes''' or '''--No''' under the columns designated. Highest and Primary Awards shall have a voting span of one month; all others two weeks. At the end of voting the nominator or a picked administrator shall count up the votes, and depending on the figures given above the award may or may not be awarded to the person in question.<br /> <br /> '''Basic Rules:'''<br /> : Any Gatekeeper can nominate another Gatekeeper, but if they nominate someone who does not qualify to the technical qualifications the voting shall be stopped by an Administrator or another.<br /> : Anyone who votes more than once may be at an administrator’s discretion banned for a maximum period of up to two months. Anyone who sees such cheating should report it immediately by placing it on an administrator’s talk page, not in the main voting thread. Any votes for himself/herself shall be deleted and ignored thereafter. If the voting for himself/herself occurs frequently, they may be punished at a picked administrator’s discretion.<br /> <br /> There was something else that I meant to put down, but I can't remember it. Remind me if I've forgotten something<br /> ----<br /> Fantastic job Narfil! Here are some suggestions that popped into my head:<br /> * ''Keeper of the Seventh Gate'' is good, I also like the sound of ''Guard of the Citadel''.<br /> * Personally I like the idea of requiring a higher percentage of votes to gain the rank, for ''Keeper of the Seventh Gate'' for example I might say 90% or even 100%. Maybe we can allow administrators to void one vote per admin or something similar. In my opinion if someone has a valid reason for not wanting to give someone the title it only makes sense to fix the problem before granting the title.<br /> * Maybe we can think of a better title for ''Primary Awards'', although I can't at the moment.<br /> * We also might consider spreading out the edit gap for the ''Primary Awards, like 1,000 and 5,000 or something. Only 500 edits can be obtained fairly easily. Since the awards are so high on the ladder I almost want to raise the edits to 5,000 and 10,000 or something.<br /> * ''and the creation of at least five prominent articles'' - I would consider changing this to something along the lines of ''and the drastically improving'' or something, as at some time all of the major articles will already be created.<br /> * I think the idea for a month voting for an admin/primary/highest and two weeks for the rest is a good estimate for how long it would take.<br /> * There are numerous ways we can vote, another way would be to have subheadings for "Support" and "Object", the user puts down their username under the heading of their choice and a reason if they want to, a reason would be required for Objections.<br /> * I think we'll have to create a template for placing awards in userpages, like a trophy box. I also like the idea of having all the awards look a certain style and list the name of the award at the bottom of the image. Some 'template' for the image so it doesn't just look like a random picture.<br /> You've got some great ideas though! I'll wait a few more days for everyone to respond and we'll move the information to a permanent page, I think voting should be held off until we get a few more regulars however. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 22:58, 25 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :You just pointed out exactly what I forgot! The creation of an article is, at the voter's discretion, either a completely new prominent article, or the drastic rise from a small article into an organized, complete, and detailed one. The person would be "creating" the article, even if it were already in existance. There are only so many Tolkien subjects, you know, so we might have several other options. . .<br /> :I had been thinking about raising the edit number. It might be a better idea to raise it up to 2000, 5000, and 10,000; or, if we want it simpler (considering that more is required than just a number of edits), 1000, 2500, and 5000. By Seventh Gate, I meant, by the way, the [[Great Gate of Gondolin]]; the [[Gate of Steel]].<br /> :I'll think about what you said about raising the percentage on the more important awards. It does sound good to me. Thanks for your feedback. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 08:42, 26 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> :Now, if you were to be nominated for a reward, would you be told on your talk page, or what? -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 14:21, 26 July 2006 (EDT)</div>

Lord Aragorn1414 https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Hyarion&diff=26973 User talk:Hyarion 2006-07-20T18:46:57Z

<p>Lord Aragorn1414: Thanks!</p> <hr /> <div>==Need Help With Footnotes!==<br /> Hyarion, I need help getting the footnotes working on the [[Chamber of Mazarbul]] page. Could you help? Thanks so much.<br /> <br /> -Old Took<br /> <br /> :I saw you added that on the [[Talk:Chamber of Mazarbul|talk page]] but wasn't sure what you meant as the links work fine for me. What doesn't seem to be working for you? When I click them it sends the page down to align the top line with the relevant footnote, and when you click the up arrow it will jump you back up to the in-text citation. Am I missing something? Keep in mind the footnotes aren't very effective as the page can only scroll so much, thus rending it incapable of going all the way down to the correct reference. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 22:24, 3 April 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::Sorry, it was a browser problem of mine. Everything's fine now! -Old Took<br /> <br /> ==Question==<br /> Hello, Hyarion!<br /> <br /> I hope this is the right place to send messages - if not, please erase this.<br /> <br /> Well, I was suprised to see that I was the second person to register in here, but that's even better: there's plenty of room to fill in. <br /> <br /> I found these pages - as you might guess - via the Finnish Kontu forum, where the administrator Merri had posted a message informing about possibilities for co-operation. So I hope there will be more Finns to register in. I'll send my contributions when I have time to do that - quite irregularly, I'm afraid, but let's hope the best.<br /> <br /> yours, Tik<br /> <br /> By the way, how does one start writing a new article to which there exists no previous <br /> link? I couldn't figure that out, being quite unaccustomed to Wiki. The only way I could start writing a new article was to edit a previous one and add there a new internal link and continue editing that one.<br /> <br /> :I have a feeling that will be a common one (because I had to figure that one out myself) so I'll post that on the help page. All you have to do is type in your address bar, something like http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Title of Page (it will even insert the underscores for you) and you will be directed to a page that does not exist and you can edit it that way. <br /> <br /> :Also, something I broke my own rule on, its a good idea to type a 'signature' when adding a comment to a discussion, otherwise no one knows who wrote it. I wish mediawiki would do it automatically, but until I fix that, a good standard to use is like mine below, just type "&mdash ;" but take the space out between the h and the semicolon...I can't figure out how to show those literally. You can also use -- it's just a matter of preference. And then type 4 ~ in a row. The first one prints out your name, second the time, 3rd the date, and 4th the timezone I believe.<br /> <br /> :EDIT: Hm...looks like your one step ahead of me, on your pages, you have exactly that.<br /> <br /> :EDIT: On second thought I'm going to move this to User:Hyarion because I'll probably keep this page to say what the English translation of Hyarion is. -- [[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 11:41, 12 Jun 2005 (EDT)<br /> <br /> == Answer To Your Question ==<br /> A lot of my stuff is at my LJ, [http://www.livejournal.com/users/brighty11/ ~~Black Sun~~], and some is at Parma, OF and Elfsheen, but a lot is just on my hard disk. :)<br /> <br /> &mdash; [[User:BrightSideoftheDark|Brighty]] 6:22, 25 Aug 2005 (EDT)<br /> <br /> == Bokkie Moans ==<br /> Hey<br /> <br /> Can you try and make a [[Special:Sandbox]] for us users to try stuff out in?<br /> makes editing family lines and such easier...<br /> <br /> I've spotted a difference of opinion... 8-)<br /> I've been trying to remove all the '''Hobbits Category''' entries from the different hobbits, but I see you add them still... It did make it easier for me to check who had been edited...<br /> I guess we want them back?<br /> <br /> * Ah, hehe. That is something I was debating. I wonder if it is possible to have a 'Hobbits' cateogry and in it, list the hobbit family names, but have it also contain a list of all the hobbits since those are sub-categories. I guess when it comes down to it I just want a page that lists all the Hobbits, whatever way works I'm fine with. Sorry I totally forgot you were removing those, heh, I'll look into it to see what way will work. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 16:44, 9 Sep 2005 (EDT)<br /> ::I'll leave the Hobbit category be then. I guess it would be just as useful to have all the hobbits in one big list, as it was. Just add a category for the specific family too, like you did 8-)<br /> I've got my doubts about double pages like [[Sam Gamgee]] and [[Samwise Gamgee]].<br /> It basically is one and the same person, only a nickname or shortform. I would rather see 1 article with a list of "aliases"... --[[User:Bokkie|Bokkie]] 17:42, 14 Sep 2005 (EDT)<br /> :I understand where you're coming from and I'll keep thinking about it, but for the time being I still say that it would be more beneficial to have the names on seperate pages, because each name has a specific meaning. For example [[Aragorn Elessar]] and [[Strider]] and such, you can go into great detail about the different names and people who called him that, places he used it, and the [[Elvish]] translations along with the old english meanings, etc. This would tend to drag down the [[Aragorn Elessar]] page to list all the names/information on it. For things like [[Sam Gamgee]] there is not going to be as much information to talk about it, but just to keep the same system I think it's best to keep it. In the future we can list when he is referred to as 'Sam' and by whom. Just my opinion though. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 00:15, 15 Sep 2005 (EDT)<br /> <br /> == Sandbox ==<br /> Good idea, I'll add that to the to-do list while I upgrade the new wiki software, which should greatly improve the left menu, I'm going to be able to add things like links to the letters A-Z or links to races or to whatever we want and in different tables, if you have any suggestions let me know. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 16:39, 9 Sep 2005 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ==What Happened to Me?==<br /> This is Brighty - what happened to me? I tried to log in and it said I don't exist. Weird.<br /> ::Were you using "BrightSideoftheDark"? Your still on the userlist, odd. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 21:51, 3 November 2005 (EST)<br /> <br /> == Cirith Gorgor and related bands ==<br /> Hey Hyarion,<br /> <br /> Like Blind Guardian not all songs relate to Tolkien, but the ones that do stick to theme. Do you want bands to stick with just a band page?<br /> :Honestly it's up to you, that's the best part, no one person has full control and we as a community can make decisions, but with the [[Blind Guardian]] page I just copied that from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blind_Guardian for now and have yet to remove the unnecessary links, which was my fault because you were basing your articles off that. With Blind Guardian, as with [[Cirith Gorgor (band)|Cirith Gorgor]] it is tricky because the [[J.R.R. Tolkien|Tolkien]] theme is greater in some albums and songs than others so there is no easy fine line. In the end more information is always better than less and if in the future we deem the articles as unnecessary it won't take any effort to remove them. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 18:05, 28 November 2005 (EST)<br /> ::Ah ok. I was gonna just throw up a band page but saw all the information on Blind Guardian I figure I better not slack and add some more :P I'll clean it up and keep it that way in the future.<br /> <br /> == Barrowdowns Mb ==<br /> Hey Hyarion,<br /> <br /> I like your idea about the barrowdowns.com MB, I say lets do it.-Goldfinger<br /> <br /> <br /> ==Spam==<br /> Hi Hyarion Firstly love this site! Secondly we have a troll adding porn links: Hfskodweyb I have edited and deleted the nonesense twice but it reappears. you may need to block this spammer {{unsigned|Sancho proudfoot}}<br /> :Good morning Sancho! Yes unfortunately we do get bots from time to time. Luckily they are just trying to gain PageRank so they normally try to hide the links. In an upcoming patch we will be forcing unregistered users to type in some random numbers/letters from an image to stop the bots. This one managed to register which makes it a bit more difficult to stop but the best we can do is add an extension that only allows people to edit X amount of pages in X amount of minutes which I'm looking into as well. Thanks for keeping an eye on it.<br /> --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 10:57, 14 April 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> <br /> == Ñoldor vs. Noldor ==<br /> Hello. You asked about the use of ñ, and the answer's pretty complicated. First let me say the I changed the n to ñ just to be consistent in the text - I really don't care much one way or the other. And here's the long story behind it all...<br /> <br /> Ñ is used as a nasal plosive by Tolkien, so it would sound something like "ng" in "song" or "king". This is Quenya in its purist form. The Vanyar in Aman would say "Ñoldor", not "Noldor". Occasionally you will even see "Ñoldor" spelled "Ngoldor". However, in Middle Earth, the mixing of languages changed pronounciations, so by the Third Age an elf would just as likely say "Noldor", as "Ñoldor". Older pronounciations did continue into the Third Age; for example the name "Elrond". Quenya in the Third Age tended to drop the "d" at the end of words, but Elrond was always referred to by his archaic name, rather than by "Elron". <br /> <br /> You wanted citations, but I can't name them off the top of my head. Check out this page: http://www.uib.no/people/hnohf/ndnn.htm for more info. He's a linguist that knows his stuff and where I got my knowledge of Quenya.<br /> <br /> So there you go, the sordid tale of "ñ". The whole thing comes down to whether the text is referring to ancient "Ñoldor" or the "Noldor" of the Third Age. If a final decision needs to be made, I would use "Noldor" throughout the site and mention in passing that "Ñoldor" is the older spelling and pronounciation of the word.<br /> <br /> Hope this helps. --[[User:ebakunin|ebakunin]]<br /> <br /> == More on Spam ==<br /> In regards to the spam comment above: since the site uses MediaWiki, it's very easy to disallow anonymous editing. While it will slightly slow down the growth of the site, it adds a layer of protection that a wiki needs to stay relevant to its audience. Few bots can handle the complexity of registering, especially if email confirmation is required. It's a bit of a pain for casual users, but it's worth it in the long run. Just my two cents. --[[User:ebakunin|ebakunin]]<br /> <br /> :Thanks for your input. While I think at this point in time disallowing anonymous editing goes a bit against the wiki definition, a new version of the engine has been released which forces anonymous editors to type a randomly generated word which would stop the spam bots rather effectively. Email confirmation is something which currently is required but should bots continue to register then we will require it (or force a word verification on register). --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 19:19, 17 April 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> == Requested articles ==<br /> If it is possible, it might be good to allow those who have not logged in request a page or request a page’s expansion. [[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 16:05, 17 April 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :That's definitely something I've had in the queue for a while. I'll try and add that today, on second thought I'll just add that right now. Even if they aren't logged in they can still make whatever page they want, and just add the <nowiki>{{stub}}</nowiki> tag to let us know it needs to be worked on. But I still think we need a Request an article and maybe like you said a request a page's expansion. Maybe we can just add the stub tag if we want it to be expanded, and then have a "Expansion of the week" where each week we focus on a stub and work on rewriting it and making it better. Thanks for the input. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 16:16, 17 April 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> == Uploading pictures ==<br /> I Have been trying to add a photo, but I get the message ".jpg]] is not a valid picture format"<br /> <br /> What am I doing wrong ( perhaps you can give an 'idiot's guide' on adding photos. (The one I wish to upload is saved in my hard drive) {{unsigned|Sancho proudfoot}}<br /> <br /> :Odd, I've never had any problems with uploading images. What is the destination filename you are using? From here it looks like you are maybe typing the destination filename as "<nowiki>[[Blah.jpg]]</nowiki>" when all you really need to say is "Blah.jpg", no need for any brackets. Let me know if that helps. When I upload images I don't even bother altering the destination filename as it will automatically insert whatever your file is called on your computer. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 15:52, 17 April 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::Ok that worked, but haven't any idea of how to link it to the relevant page. Can you move it please? {{unsigned|Sancho proudfoot}}<br /> <br /> :::Great! I'll go ahead and show you how to link and let you do it, better to teach than to do :) Here is an example of the image at [[Alan Lee]]:<br /> <br /> :::<nowiki>[[Image:Alan Lee (Greg Martin Photography).jpg|thumb|200px|Image of ''Alan Lee'' courtesy of [http://www.gregmartinphoto.com/ Greg Martin Photgraphy]]]</nowiki><br /> <br /> :::The first part "<nowiki>Image:Alan Lee (Greg Martin Photography).jpg</nowiki>" is your image name, make sure to include the .jpg What I usually do is go to the actual image and copy the title. Then if you want it to be a thumbnail, which I usually do, I add |thumb, then if its not the right size you can specify how many pixels you want, |200px to |300px is usually around the average. Then you can specify the caption. After that add your closing brackets and you are good to go. Let me know if you have any questions. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 16:11, 17 April 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ==Non-standard Text==<br /> Hyarion,<br /> <br /> I was hoping the wiki could add a list of non-standard letters at the bottom of the edit page, like the list featured in Wikipedia. It would help with First Age entries, where there are a lot of accents. Thanks for the help. --[[User:Ebakunin|Ebakunin]] 02:15, 20 April 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Good morning Ebakunin, this is a feature which I've been meaning to implement, thanks for reminding me. If you haven't already noticed I've added the extension and you can now insert special characters :) I don't think we need as many characters as Wikipedia so if you see any unnecessary ones feel free to remove them from [[MediaWiki talk:Edittools]] Thanks for your continued contributions --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 11:47, 20 April 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ==Duplicate Entries==<br /> To decrease the number of repetitive entries, I think we should start using the #REDIRECT tag more often. For example, check out the changes I made to the ''Hill of Tears'' and related entries via the ''Recent changes'' option. Most of the related entries, such as ''Haudh-en-Ndengin'', were just a recap of the main entry. I think using the #REDIRECT will cut down on time, hosting space, and allow editors to focus on quality. What ya think? --[[User:Ebakunin|Ebakunin]] 01:33, 24 April 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :I think this is probably for the best as it gets confusing having so many multiple stub articles and one main article. The tricky part is going to be choosing a primary article to use. Do you use the [[Quenya]] name, [[Sindarin]] name, [[Dwarvish]] name, [[Westron]] name, most used name, birth name, etc etc. I'm wondering if we should put the redirect pages in the categories...it might cause confusion because you would have [[Gaffer Gamgee]] and [[Old Gaffer]] etc but at least if people were searching for a specific term and didn't know its other meanings, they could find it alright. Thanks for all your contributions. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 01:38, 24 April 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> == Please delete a page ==<br /> [[Talk:Sauron Defeated]] is spam, so please delete it. - [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Rotemliss rotemliss] ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Rotemliss Talk]) 04:42, 24 April 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Good morning Rotemliss, thanks for the heads up, page is deleted. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 08:07, 24 April 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Would you please delete [[Caitimo]], it's an incorrect redirect page. Thanks. --[[User:Ebakunin|Ebakunin]] 21:24, 27 April 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Done. Next time go ahead and add the <nowiki>{{Afd}}</nowiki> template, that way we can work on getting a standard for a deletion process. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 21:53, 27 April 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> == User talk:Hyarion vs. Community Forums ==<br /> I think many of the entries here should rather have been posted in the Community Forums, as they concern Community matters and not User:Hyarion matters. Mb you should transfer them? --[[User:Earendilyon|Earendilyon]] 01:27, 28 April 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Good idea. I'll transfer them right now. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 11:12, 28 April 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> == Double Check Nasmith Images ==<br /> Hyarion, you need to go through all the Nasmith images you uploaded, as there are duplicates. For example, ''The Pillars of the Kings'' and ''The Argonath'' are the same image, as are ''Illuin, Lamp of the Valar'' and ''Illuin - Lamp of the Valar''. Thanks. {{unsigned|Ebakunin}}<br /> <br /> :There are a couple duplicates and a couple which are relatively similar but different pieces. What I'm hoping to do is go back through them and state the material used to make them, and which calendars/books they appeared in. Thanks for keeping an eye out. In the future if you ever see a duplicate just go ahead and add <nowiki>{{afd}}</nowiki> to the lesser quality image. Thanks for all your help. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 18:55, 30 April 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ==Favorite Race pics==<br /> Don't worry about cropping those images for the Favorite Race templates - I can do them easily and quickly. I should have them done by the end of the day. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 11:20, 7 May 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Ah that would be great! Thanks :) Once you upload them that will give me an incentive to finish all the infoboxes for the favorite races as I think we only have a couple done. They will look much better with those cool icons than the boring text that is currently there. Thanks again. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 11:24, 7 May 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::Done!--[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 11:37, 7 May 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::Awesome, I've made the basic templates, but they need some major color overhauls. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 12:10, 7 May 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::::It would also be nice if the text was larger - perhaps in a different font?--[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 12:44, 7 May 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::::That's possible. I want to try and make all the userboxes have a standard such as the [http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Userbox_templates Star Wars wiki], lets try changing the background/text color, or maybe even adding another sentence, if its still too small then we can make the font bigger or change the font style, though we have to be careful the font style is standard on a good majority of computers. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 12:51, 7 May 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> == Browser Crossover Problems ==<br /> Hyarion, I do all my browsing on Firefox, but when I recently checked the site on IE I noticed that the _ character does not display in < code > sections. Compare [[Amrod]] in FF and IE. Is there anyway to fix the problem? Thanks. --[[User:Ebakunin|Ebakunin]] 00:10, 8 May 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Uhoh, what has that darn Microsoft broken now, I use FF as well. Looks like your right, we can use dashes for now, which reminds me I need to install the template system that Wikipedia uses so we can use a fancier family tree system; an example at the bottom of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celebrimbor this page]. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 00:21, 8 May 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::I could just create the family trees and save them as .jpg images, then upload them. I can do that easily, if you wish. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 06:52, 8 May 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::Hm, let's hold off on that for now. I'm afraid if we have them all as .jpgs that would be a lot of work and we wouldn't be able to alter anything. Maybe if we finalized all the trees with the new templates then we could make images for other sites to use or something. Good idea though. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 08:38, 8 May 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> <br /> == Family trees ==<br /> I tried out the [[template:familytree|familytree template]] and couldn't get it to work. Has anyone else had any luck with it? Thanks. --[[User:Ebakunin|Ebakunin]] 14:48, 15 May 2006 (EDT)<br /> :Heh ya, I only halfway got it working so its not just you, there's a few more templates I have to make as its fairly complex. I'll see if I can get it working tonight, I'll let you know when its up and operational. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 19:45, 15 May 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> == Tim Hildebrandt ==<br /> Hyarion, would you please make the featured image one of [[Tim Hildebrandt]]? He's one of the most important artists for Tolkien's work and his passing should be featured. Thanks. --[[User:Ebakunin|Ebakunin]] 11:15, 14 June 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Great idea, doing so now. I'll make him the featured artist on our [[Gallery]] page, just in case anyone knows about it, heh. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 13:44, 14 June 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::Is there any way to make the gallery page better known? As well, is there any way for you to enable one or two of us to change the featured picture each day? Some pictures last for weeks on the Main Page. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 20:47, 19 June 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::The goal is to start putting links on the left side to main pages, such as the ''Gallery'', but it still needs a lot of work before we do that. Thanks for reminding me about the Featured Image, what I'm going to do is separate the main page into sections and probably allow anyone to edit the Image section. Though eventually what I'd like to do is have the Featured Image and Featured Article be on the same subject, and we would vote on the Featured Article. The entire main page could use a redesign if you ask me. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 21:44, 19 June 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> == Quote Template ==<br /> <br /> The quote template doesn't work properly when the quote contains a hard return; I had to leave the hard return out of the quote in the [[Talk:Serpent Lord]] discussion (before ''Then Théoden was aware of him''). It also doesn't react on the indentation by the use of colons. --[[User:Earendilyon|Earendilyon]] 08:32, 25 June 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Heyo, just got back from a small vacation hence my lack of edits lately. The quote template is kind of a hack, hopefully we can have more efficient means later on. Try using <nowiki><br /></nowiki> for a new line and maybe <nowiki><blockquote></blockquote></nowiki> for a tab. I'll look into an easier solution. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 16:42, 25 June 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> <br /> == Increase in spam ==<br /> Hyarion, I am wondering about the number of Spammers at a time. I remember when I first joined you were blocking spammers and vandals daily. Then all of a sudden it stopped. Now it has started up again. Are there like spammer clubs where they all chose to target a certain wiki? Or is it one person with access to many computers? Just curious. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 15:24, 26 June 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Thanks for bringing this up as I've been meaning to mention the situation. Before we had no spam protection so everyday I was having to revert vandals but then I installed an extension which forces anonymous users who post external links to verify they aren't a bot by solving a simple math problem such as 1+1=?. This had solved 99% of the bot spam to date, but unfortunately as the recent bot was spamming numbers and no links, it became difficult to catch. It looks like the bot has moved on but if it continues I'll look into another extension where we block someone from specifically adding a bunch of numbers. None of the attacks are actual humans against us, they are simple bots that use a proxy server to hide their IP and spam random wikis. Now the funny spam is the stuff where actual humans try to screw with articles, I don't mind those as much :) --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 21:50, 26 June 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> =="Unfinished" template==<br /> <br /> Hyarion, could you please create an "unfinished" template? It should say something like this: '''''Unfinished'''; this article is incomplete. You can help Tolkien Gateway by completing this article''. On longer more time-consuming articles (such as the [[Fall of Gondolin]]) I noticed the need, and right now would like it as I work on the [[Lay of Leithian cantos]]. By the way, which [[Tilkal]] image do you prefer (see the forums for User Awards)? --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 16:24, 10 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> == Thanks! ==<br /> <br /> Hey Hyarion. I just want to say thank you for taking me under your wing, so to speak. I greatly appriciate it! Thank you! -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 14:46, 20 July 2006 (EDT)</div>

Lord Aragorn1414 https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Into_the_West&diff=26959 Into the West 2006-07-20T16:13:37Z

<p>Lord Aragorn1414: </p> <hr /> <div>'''"Into the West"''' is a song written by [[Fran Walsh]], [[Howard Shore]] and [[Annie Lennox]], performed by Annie Lennox during the closing credits of [[Peter Jackson's The Return of the King]] film.<br /> <br /> The song was conceived as a bittersweet [[Elvish]] lament for those who have sailed across the [[Sundering Sea]].<br /> <br /> In the commentaries and documentaries accompanying the extended DVD edition of the movie, director [[Peter Jackson]] explains that the song was partially inspired by the premature death from cancer of a young [[New Zealand]] filmmaker named [[Cameron Duncan]] whose work had impressed Jackson and his team. The first public performance of the song was at Duncan's funeral.<br /> <br /> The song won the [[Awards|Oscar]] for ''Achievement in music written for motion pictures (Original song)'' at the 76th Academy Awards, one of the movie's 11 Academy Awards.<br /> <br /> LYRICS:<br /> <br /> Lay down<br /> Your sweet and weary head<br /> Night is falling<br /> You have come to journey's end<br /> <br /> Sleep now<br /> Dream— of the ones who came before<br /> They are calling<br /> From across the distant shore<br /> <br /> Why do you weep?<br /> What are these tears upon your face?<br /> Soon you will see<br /> All of your fears will pass away<br /> <br /> Safe in my arms<br /> You're only sleeping<br /> <br /> What can you see<br /> On the horizon?<br /> Why do the white gulls call?<br /> <br /> Across the sea<br /> A pale moon rises<br /> The ships have come<br /> To carry you home<br /> <br /> And all will turn to silver glass<br /> A light on the water<br /> All souls pass<br /> <br /> Hope fades<br /> Into the world of night<br /> Through shadows falling<br /> Out of memory and time<br /> <br /> Don't say<br /> We have come now to the end<br /> White shores are calling<br /> You and I will meet again<br /> <br /> And you'll be here in my arms<br /> Just sleeping<br /> <br /> What can you see<br /> On the horizon?<br /> Why do the white gulls call?<br /> <br /> Across the sea<br /> A pale moon rises<br /> The ships have come<br /> To carry you home<br /> <br /> And all will turn to silver glass<br /> A light on the water<br /> Grey ships pass<br /> Into the West</div>

Lord Aragorn1414 https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=And%C3%BAril&diff=26958 Andúril 2006-07-20T15:50:43Z

<p>Lord Aragorn1414: </p> <hr /> <div>{{quote|Elo! Andúril; Lach en Annûn I chathol asgannen Ad echannen|Andúril's [[Sindarin]] engravings}}<br /> <br /> {{quote|Behold! Andúril; Flame of the West. The blade that was broken, has been remade!|Sindarian translation}}<br /> <br /> {{quote|...Renewed shall be blade that was broken, the crownless again shall be [[Aragorn II|king]].|[[The Riddle of Strider]]}}<br /> <br /> {{Pronounce|Anduril.mp3|Ardamir}}<br /> [[Image:Noble Collection - Andúril.jpg|thumb|200px|left|''Andúril'' as conceived by [[The Noble Collection]]]]<br /> '''Andúril''' was name for the sword '''[[Narsil]]''' after its reforging in [[Third Age]] 3019 for [[Aragorn II|Aragorn]], the heir of [[Isildur]]. Narsil was a symbol of the kingship of [[Arnor]] and [[Gondor]], but was broken at the end of the [[Last Alliance of Elves and Men]] at the end of the [[Second Age]]. Aragorn, as the Chieftain of the [[Rangers of the North]], and therefore the descendant of the Kings of Arnor and Gondor, carried the fragments of the ancient sword. After three thousand years, Narsil was finally reforged as Andúril when Aragorn set out to reclaim his kingdom.<br /> <br /> Aragorn carried the sword during his journey south as part of the [[Fellowship of the Ring]], and it featured prominently at several points in the story, where it was sometimes referred to as the "Sword That Was Broken" or the "Sword Reforged".<br /> <br /> [[Boromir son of Denethor II|Boromir]], son of the [[Steward of Gondor]], travelled to [[Rivendell]] for the [[Council of Elrond]] because of the prophetic dream of his brother [[Faramir son of Denethor II|Faramir]]. The dream told him to "seek for the Sword that was broken." Aragorn often used the sword to help establish his credentials as the heir to the throne of Gondor. This was especially true when he convinced the [[Dead Men of Dunharrow]] to fulfill their oath to support Gondor in its time of need.<br /> <br /> == Etymology ==<br /> Andúril means "Flame of the [[West]]" in [[Quenya]] (from ''[[andúnë]]'' = "west" and ''[[rildë]]'' = "brilliance").<br /> <br /> == Portrayal in Adaptations ==<br /> In [[Peter Jackson's The Lord of the Rings]], Andúril is not forged from the shards of Narsil until [[Peter Jackson's The Return of the King|The Return of the King]]. In that movie, [[Elrond]] had the sword reforged only after [[Arwen]]'s pleading. He then took the sword to Aragorn in the camp of the [[Rohirrim]] at [[Dunharrow]]. Aragorn's acceptance of the sword, along with his decision at that time to take the [[Paths of the Dead]], showed his willingness to accept his destiny of becoming king.<br /> <br /> {{weapons}}<br /> <br /> [[Category:Swords]]</div>

Lord Aragorn1414 https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Narsil&diff=26957 Narsil 2006-07-20T15:41:40Z

<p>Lord Aragorn1414: </p> <hr /> <div>{{quote|...The blade that cut the [[One Ring|Ring]] from [[Sauron]]'s hand...|[[Boromir]]}}<br /> [[Image:John Howe - Narsil.jpg|thumb|''Narsil'' by [[John Howe]].]]<br /> '''Narsil''' was the sword of King [[Elendil]] of the [[Dúnedain]]. It was later known as '''Andúril''' (see below). The sword was forged during the [[First Age]] by the famed Dwarven-smith [[Telchar]], making it a cousin to the knife [[Angrist]], which cut a [[Silmaril]] from the crown of [[Morgoth]]. The blade presumably was given to one of the [[Sons of Fëanor]], possibly [[Curufin]], who also held Angrist. It eventually came to [[Maglor]], who likely gave it to [[Elros]].<br /> <br /> In the [[Second Age]], Narsil was an heirloom of the descendants of Elros, the first [[King of Númenor]]. Although nothing is said of Narsil during this period, it eventually came into the hands of [[Elendil]], a distant descendant, towards the close of the Second Age.<br /> <br /> Elendil used Narsil in the Siege of [[Barad-dûr]], but [[Sauron]] killed Elendil and the sword broke into two pieces under him as he fell. Elendil's son [[Isildur]] took up the sword and used its shard to cut the [[One Ring]] from the hand of Sauron. Isildur took the shards home with him. Shortly before Isildur was killed in the second year of the [[Third Age]] in the [[Disaster of the Gladden Fields]], the shards were rescued by [[Ohtar]], squire of Isildur's oldest son. He took them to [[Rivendell]], where Isildur's youngest son [[Valandil]] was fostered.<br /> <br /> The '''Shards of Narsil''' were one of the heirlooms of the [[Kings of Arnor]], and after the Northern Kingdom was destroyed they remained an heirloom of the [[Rangers of the North]]. It was not reforged until the [[War of the Ring]] at the end of the Third Age.<br /> <br /> In Third Age 3019 Narsil was reforged in Rivendell as Andúril, the "Flame of the West", for [[Aragorn II|Aragorn]], the heir of Isildur. He carried the sword during his journey south as part of the [[Fellowship of the Ring]], and it featured prominently at several points in the story, where it was sometimes referred to as the "Sword That Was Broken" or "The Sword Reforged". <br /> <br /> == Etymology ==<br /> Narsil means "[[Sun]] and [[Moon]]" in [[Quenya]] (from ''[[Anar]]'' = "sun" and ''[[Isil]]'' = "moon").<br /> <br /> == Portrayal in Adaptations ==<br /> In [[Peter Jackson's The Lord of the Rings]], Narsil was not broken in two but in several parts, which were kept at Rivendell. The sword is not reforged into Andúril until the [[Peter Jackson's The Return of the King|third film]], when [[Arwen]] persuades [[Elrond]] to have [[Elves|Elven]] smiths reforge it from the shards and bring to Aragorn. In the books, he actually wears the broken blade and shows it to the [[Hobbits]] when they meet at the [[Prancing Pony]] in [[Bree]], and its reforging prior to the departure of the [[Fellowship of the Ring|Fellowship]] is a decisive move toward kingship.<br /> <br /> Aragorn holds a reverence for [[Andúril]] that is not shown in the films. In ''[[The Two Towers]]'', when asked by [[Háma]] to disarm outside [[Meduseld]], he is very reluctant, saying that normally he would give up his weapon, "if I bore now any sword but Andúril." It is an omission from the film on the grace that the sword Aragorn surrenders there was not Andúril, but still rather interesting. However, the movie version of The Fellowship of the Ring does include a scene of Aragorn reverently placing the hilt of Narsil back into the display after Boromir dropped the hilt on the floor.<br /> <br /> {{weapons}}<br /> <br /> [[Category:Swords]]</div>

Lord Aragorn1414 https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=And%C3%BAril&diff=26956 Andúril 2006-07-20T15:37:17Z

<p>Lord Aragorn1414: </p> <hr /> <div>{{Pronounce|Anduril.mp3|Ardamir}}<br /> [[Image:Noble Collection - Andúril.jpg|thumb|200px|left|''Andúril'' as conceived by [[The Noble Collection]]]]<br /> <br /> {{quote|...Renewed shall be blade that was broken, the crownless again shall be [[Aragorn II|king]].|[[The Riddle of Strider]]}}<br /> <br /> '''Andúril''' was name for the sword '''[[Narsil]]''' after its reforging in [[Third Age]] 3019 for [[Aragorn II|Aragorn]], the heir of [[Isildur]]. Narsil was a symbol of the kingship of [[Arnor]] and [[Gondor]], but was broken at the end of the [[Last Alliance of Elves and Men]] at the end of the [[Second Age]]. Aragorn, as the Chieftain of the [[Rangers of the North]], and therefore the descendant of the Kings of Arnor and Gondor, carried the fragments of the ancient sword. After three thousand years, Narsil was finally reforged as Andúril when Aragorn set out to reclaim his kingdom.<br /> <br /> Aragorn carried the sword during his journey south as part of the [[Fellowship of the Ring]], and it featured prominently at several points in the story, where it was sometimes referred to as the "Sword That Was Broken" or the "Sword Reforged".<br /> <br /> [[Boromir son of Denethor II|Boromir]], son of the [[Steward of Gondor]], travelled to [[Rivendell]] for the [[Council of Elrond]] because of the prophetic dream of his brother [[Faramir son of Denethor II|Faramir]]. The dream told him to "seek for the Sword that was broken." Aragorn often used the sword to help establish his credentials as the heir to the throne of Gondor. This was especially true when he convinced the [[Dead Men of Dunharrow]] to fulfill their oath to support Gondor in its time of need.<br /> <br /> == Etymology ==<br /> Andúril means "Flame of the [[West]]" in [[Quenya]] (from ''[[andúnë]]'' = "west" and ''[[rildë]]'' = "brilliance").<br /> <br /> == Portrayal in Adaptations ==<br /> In [[Peter Jackson's The Lord of the Rings]], Andúril is not forged from the shards of Narsil until [[Peter Jackson's The Return of the King|The Return of the King]]. In that movie, [[Elrond]] had the sword reforged only after [[Arwen]]'s pleading. He then took the sword to Aragorn in the camp of the [[Rohirrim]] at [[Dunharrow]]. Aragorn's acceptance of the sword, along with his decision at that time to take the [[Paths of the Dead]], showed his willingness to accept his destiny of becoming king.<br /> <br /> {{weapons}}<br /> <br /> [[Category:Swords]]</div>

Lord Aragorn1414 https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Forums:User_awards&diff=26910 Forums:User awards 2006-07-18T19:14:52Z

<p>Lord Aragorn1414: </p> <hr /> <div><div style="background: #eee; border: 1px solid #aaa; padding: 5px">'''[[Main Page|Tolkien Gateway]] &gt; [[Forum:Council|Council]] &gt; {{PAGENAME}}'''</div> [[Category:Council]]<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> I have an idea. To encourage editors to edit, we could have three user templates - gold, silver, and bronze (or if you want more Tolkienish names [[Silima]], [[Mithril]], and [[Tilkal]]) - as templates for their user pages. For instance, a "bronze" template could be displayed on their userpage if they had 500 edits, silver if they had 1000 edits, and gold if they had over 2000 edits. Tell me what you think. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 10:02, 20 June 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :I love it! Some wikis have awards that can be given by anyone at random if they consider the user did something award worthy. This makes it difficult as people have different ideas for when someone accomplished something award-worthy. The edit requirement allows for at least some standard to be used. My only concern is that we might be focusing too much on edits when one person rewriting an entire article is much more helpful than simply a minor edit yet they count for the same. But I think in general the edit requirement is probably our best bet. We'll have to play around with some images, I definitely think the Tolkienish names you suggested are the way to go. We can also create other awards too like "Most active" or "Most knowledgeable" etc. because if we use the 500, 1,000, 2,000 standard people are going to have all the awards pretty fast. I kind of like 1000, 10000, 100000 :) Hm, we also need to make a good standard template that the award image is inside of, something that says "Award" at the bottom to identify the image and so if people have multiple awards all the images have the same theme. Great idea Narfil. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 13:54, 20 June 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Only a relatively small amount of editors will ever reach 1000, and only the more active editors will reach 500. 2000 is certainly something to be proud of (on the other hand, Ebakunin reached it pretty quickly!). I see what you mean about the size of edits, but I don't see a way around it though. I really don't think anyone, excepting yourself, will ever reach 100,000 (unless they work for years). 10,000 may warrant a sort of "super-award", because only a few will reach it. Ideas for other awards are as follows:<br /> <br /> *Most active<br /> *Most knowledgeable<br /> *Best writing (needs a better title)<br /> *Hardest working (also needs a better title)<br /> <br /> But with those we could give "character" awards. For instance, "most knowledgeable" would be, say, the "[[Gandalf]]" award (other suggestions include [[Bilbo]] or [[Rúmil]]). "Most active" would be [[Aragorn]] (or [[Fëanor]]). "Best writing" might be [[Bilbo]]. "Hardest working" could be. . . I would have to think about that one. On the other hand, we might have titles. "Most knowledgeable" would be ''Loremaster award'', or etc. Just some ideas. Anyone can add to the list above. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 14:31, 20 June 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :I uploaded the following image for the "Silima" award:<br /> <br /> [[Image:Silima.jpg|center|150px]]<br /> <br /> :I am looking for a good [[Mithril]] image (see Talk:John Howe - Mithril), but I can probably create good [[Tilkal]] in Bryce. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 21:29, 24 June 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::Not to rush you or anything, Hyarion, but I was wondering if you had started the templates (I sure wish I knew how to do that. . .). Anyway, I'll try and get the Tilkal image done. Should the image be of a chain or just a close up of the texture? I favor the former. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 14:51, 8 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::I've created the following image of [[Tilkal]] in Bryce (Notice that in varying lights it can be red or green; I prefer red, but I shall upload the green just so you can decide which one you prefer):<br /> <br /> [[Image:Tilkal-red.jpg|center|150px]]<br /> <br /> :::It's pretty big, but that was just in case we might need it for something else. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 16:17, 9 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::And Tilkal in green:<br /> <br /> [[Image:Tilkal-green.jpg|center|150px]]<br /> <br /> :::Which do you prefer? --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 21:49, 9 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> Well, I've had an idea for the voting for the "other" awards, such as ''most knowledgeable'', etc. We could have it so that any nominations for the award would be posted on this thread. Then the voting would go on for, say, a two-week period of time. Anyone can vote, but at the end of that period the voting is closed and the award is given or denyed. It must be at least a 2/3 majority. I favor for voting the "Barrow-downs" approach: '''++ Example''' or '''-- Example'''. Just an idea. This would also work for contests, though the period of time would be longer. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 09:51, 10 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> :Well, on Wookiepedia, they have "Wookiepedian of the month", could we think of a similar title for us? -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 15:14, 18 July 2006 (EDT)</div>

Lord Aragorn1414 https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Haradrim&diff=26909 Haradrim 2006-07-18T18:56:36Z

<p>Lord Aragorn1414: </p> <hr /> <div>[[Image:Haradrim.jpg|thumb|225px|''Haradrim'' from [[Peter Jackson's The Lord of the Rings]]]]<br /> '''Haradrim''' were the proud and warlike people of the [[Harad]], in the south of [[Middle-earth]]. The ancient enemies of [[Gondor]], they allied with [[Sauron]] during the [[War of the Ring]]. [[J.R.R. Tolkien|Tolkien]] provides a description of one of their dead in [[the Lord of the Rings]]:<br /> {{quote|...a man fell, crashing through the slender trees, nearly on top of them [[Frodo Baggins|Frodo]] and [[Sam]]. He came to rest in the fern a few feet away, face downward, green arrow-feathers sticking from his neck below a golden collar. His scarlet robes were tattered, his corslet of overlapping brazen plates was rent and hewn, his black plaits of hair braided with gold were drenched with blood. His brown hand still clutched the hilt of a broken sword...|''[[The Two Towers]]''}}<br /> <br /> [[Category:Haradrim]]</div>

Lord Aragorn1414 https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Witch-king&diff=26908 Talk:Witch-king 2006-07-18T18:39:27Z

<p>Lord Aragorn1414: Motion Picture Picture</p> <hr /> <div>== Motion Picture Picture ==<br /> <br /> Can we get a picture of The Witch-King in the film adaptation of The Return of the King? -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 14:39, 18 July 2006 (EDT)</div>

Lord Aragorn1414 https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=User:Lord_Aragorn1414&diff=26907 User:Lord Aragorn1414 2006-07-18T18:36:46Z

<p>Lord Aragorn1414: /* Lord Aragorn has very little time to write about himself at the moment. Come back latter. */</p> <hr /> <div>== A Little About His Lordship==<br /> *I'm a ''huge'' LotR fan<br /> *I also love ''Star Wars'', ''The Simpsons'', and ''Spider-man''.<br /> *Because of this, I contribute at Wookiepedia, WikiSimpsons, LotRwiki, The Sith Lord Wiki, and Spider-man Wiki (all under the name: Lord vader1414).<br /> *My heart belongs to both Tolkein's works and the Star Wars saga, no hurt feelings.<br /> *My LotR merchendice includes: [[The Lord of the Rings]] saga, [[The Hobbit]], various LotR action figures, [[The Return of the King]] soundtrack, the motion picture music book (for trombone), the entire extended edition DVD collection, and a sword (possibly the Citidel Gaurd's, although it looks more like a cross between [[Glamdring]] and [[Boromir]]'s sword).<br /> *I'm a jazz musician, and can play many instruments, although I love trombone the most.<br /> *[[Elves]] and [[Men]] are my favorite species, and my favorite characters are: [[Sauron]], [[Aragorn II]], [[Gandalf]] the White, The [[Witch King]], [[Arwen]], The [[Balrog]], [[Morgoth]] and [[Legolas of Mirkwood]].</div>

Lord Aragorn1414 https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Forums:Music_categories&diff=26903 Forums:Music categories 2006-07-18T18:23:02Z

<p>Lord Aragorn1414: </p> <hr /> <div><div style="background: #eee; border: 1px solid #aaa; padding: 5px">'''[[Main Page|Tolkien Gateway]] &gt; [[Forum:Council|Council]] &gt; {{PAGENAME}}'''</div> [[Category:Council]]<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> Hi all. I think we need to start making articles on all the music that envolves Tolkein's works. I think that maybe Howard Shore's works should be articles by themselves ("''Gollum's Song''", "''Into the West''", "''May it Be''", etcetera). How exactly do we want to do this? Let's get it orginized. -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 14:23, 18 July 2006 (EDT)</div>

Lord Aragorn1414 https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Lembas&diff=26900 Lembas 2006-07-18T16:59:15Z

<p>Lord Aragorn1414: </p> <hr /> <div>{{quote|Lembas, [[Elvish]] waybread. One small bite is enough to fill the stomach of a grown man.|[[Legolas of Mirkwood|Legolas]]}}<br /> [[Image:Lembas bread with Mallorn leaves.jpg|thumb|200px]]<br /> '''Lembas''', also called '''waybread''' in the [[Common Speech]], is a special food made by the [[Elves]]. The cakes are very nutritious, stay fresh for months when wrapped in leaves, and are used for sustenance on long journeys. Lembas is a brownish colour on the outside and a cream colour on the inside. The secret of lembas is closely guarded, and only on rare occasions is it given to non-Elves. Like other products of the Elves, it is offensive to evil creatures; [[Gollum]] refuses outright to eat of it.<br /> <br /> [[Melian]], the queen of [[Doriath]], was the one who originally held this recipe. Later it was passed to [[Galadriel]] and other [[Elves]].<br /> <br /> [[Galadriel]] gives a large store of it to the [[Fellowship of the Ring]] upon its departure from [[Lothl&oacute;rien]]. One of the elves comments "[...] we call it lembas or waybread, and it is more strengthening than any food by men, and it is more pleasant than [[Cram]], by all accounts." [[Frodo Baggins]] and [[Samwise Gamgee]] subsist on it through the majority of their journey from there into [[Mordor]].<br /> <br /> [[Image:John Howe - Lembas.jpg|thumb|left|''Lembas'' by [[John Howe]].]]<br /> Tolkien most likely based lembas on bread known as ''hard tack'' that was used during long sea voyages and military campaigns as a primary foodstuff. This very un-magical bread was little more than flour and water which had been baked hard and would keep for months as long as it was kept dry. However, Heinrich Cornelius Agrippa wrote in his book ''Libri tres de occulta philosophia'' (Book 3, Chapter 13) of a herb from Scythia that allowed people to go for twelve days afterward without any need for food or water. It is also possible that Tolkien based lembas on this description in Agrippa's writings.<br /> <br /> In [[Peter Jackson's The Lord of the Rings]], the term "lembas bread" is occasionally used. This is incorrect usage; but because the gift of lembas at Lothlórien is not included in the theatrical release of ''[[Peter Jackson's The Fellowship of the Ring|The Fellowship of the Ring]]'', the redundant term "lembas bread" was probably chosen in order to immediately identify the substance to filmgoers at the beginning of ''[[Peter Jackson's The Two Towers|The Two Towers]]''.<br /> <br /> [[Category:Food]]</div>

Lord Aragorn1414 https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Eye_of_Sauron&diff=26899 Eye of Sauron 2006-07-18T16:51:09Z

<p>Lord Aragorn1414: </p> <hr /> <div>{{quote|[[Gandalf|You]] know of what I speak. An eye, lidless, wreathed in flame.|[[Saruman]]}}<br /> [[Image:Eye of Sauron.jpg|thumb|The ''Eye of Sauron'' from [[Peter Jackson's The Lord of the Rings]].]]<br /> From the highest tower of [[Barad-dûr]], [[Sauron]] kept an unceasing watch on the lands and kingdoms of Middle-earth. The '[[Eye of Sauron]]' is a reference to this unsleeping vigilance. In the book it was described as a sort of red light from an upper window. In [[Peter Jackson's The Lord of the Rings]] film version it was portrayed more literally as an eye, and had it moving between the pinnacles of the tower.</div>

Lord Aragorn1414 https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Aragorn_II&diff=26898 Aragorn II 2006-07-18T16:45:47Z

<p>Lord Aragorn1414: </p> <hr /> <div>{{quote|You are [[Isildur's Heir]], not [[Isildur]] himself.|[[Arwen]]}}<br /> ''(See also [[Aragorn I]], an early [[Chieftain of the Dúnedain]])''<br /> [[Image:John Howe - Aragorn.jpg|thumb|''Aragorn'' by [[John Howe]]]]<br /> '''Aragorn II''' ([[Third Age]] March 1, 2931 – [[Fourth Age]] 120, aged 210 years) was the son of [[Arathorn II]] and [[Gilraen]]. He was was a [[Chieftain of the Dúnedain]] and a direct descendant through many generations of [[Isildur]], the last [[High King]] of both [[Arnor]] and [[Gondor]]. Aragorn was would become the greatest man of his time, leading the [[Men of the West]] against [[Sauron]]'s forces, helping to destroy the [[One Ring]], a reuniting the [[Reunited Kingdom|Kingdoms of Arnor and Gondor]].<br /> <br /> Aragorn was named after his ancestor, [[Aragorn I]]. His name means "Lord of the Tree" in [[Sindarin]].<br /> <br /> == History ==<br /> When Aragorn was two years old, his father was slain when a [[Orc]] arrow pierced his eye. As was the tradition of his people, Aragorn was fostered in [[Rivendell]] by [[Elrond]]. By Elrond's order, his identity was kept secret, as he feared he would be slain like his father and grandfather. Aragorn was named '''''[[Estel]]''''' ([[Sindarin]] for "Hope") instead, and was not told about his heritage until he came of age in 2951.<br /> <br /> Elrond revealed to "Estel" his true name and ancestry in 2951, when Aragorn was twenty years old, and delivered to him the shards of [[Narsil]] and the [[Ring of Barahir]]. The next day, in the woods of Rivendell, Aragorn met and fell in love with [[Arwen Evenstar|Arwen]], daughter of Elrond, who had newly returned from [[Lórien in Middle-earth|Lórien]].<br /> <br /> Aragorn took up his proper name as Aragorn II, sixteenth of the Chieftains of the Dúnedain, and went into the [[Wild]].<br /> <br /> In 2953 he was not present in Rivendell for the last meeting of the [[White Council]]. Aragorn met [[Gandalf the Grey]] in 2956, and they became great friends. At Gandalf's advice he began to get interested in the [[Shire]], and became known around the area as '''''Strider'''''.<br /> <br /> From 2957 to 2980 Aragorn took great journeys, serving in the armies of King [[Thengel]] of [[Rohan]], and Steward [[Ecthelion II]] of Gondor. Many of his tasks weakened [[Sauron]] and his allies, which during the [[War of the Ring]] helped the West survive. His name in Gondor and Rohan was '''''Thorongil''''' (Sindarin for "Eagle of the Star"), and with a Gondorian attack force he led an assault on the [[Haven of Umbar]] in 2980, taking the city and slaying its lord. Later in 2980 he was in Lórien, and there once again met Arwen. He gave her the heirloom of his House, the [[Ring of Barahir]], and Arwen pledged her hand to him in marriage.<br /> <br /> Elrond gave his foster-son permission to marry his daughter, on the condition that he must first become king of both Gondor and Arnor, for only a king would be worthy of Arwen's hand. This may seem a harsh condition, but it should be noted that it is significantly more lenient than the closest precedent, King [[Thingol]]'s request that [[Beren Erchamion|Beren]] obtain a [[Silmarils|Silmaril]] from [[Morgoth]] before marrying his daughter [[Lúthien]].<br /> <br /> In 3009, Aragorn went into [[Rhovanion]] in search of [[Gollum]] at Gandalf's request, and he finally caught him in the [[Dead Marshes]] in sight of [[Mordor]], and brought him as a captive to King [[Thranduil]]'s halls in [[Mirkwood]], where he questioned him.<br /> <br /> On September 30, 3018, Aragorn was waiting in the Inn known as [[The Prancing Pony]] in [[Bree]], where he met up with [[Frodo Baggins]], and began his role in the War of the Ring. Aragorn was aged 87 at that time, but because he is of [[Númenórean]] blood he appeared to be in his prime.<br /> <br /> The restoration of the line of Elendil to the throne of Gondor is a major subplot of ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'': Aragorn's adventures not only aid Frodo in his Quest, but also bring him closer to the kingship (a move which is politically very complicated). Upon [[Sauron]]'s defeat, in late 3019, Aragorn is crowned as '''''King Elessar''''' ([[Quenya]] for "[[Elessar of Eärendil|Elfstone]]"), a name given to him by [[Galadriel]]. He marries Arwen Undómiel shortly afterwards, and rules the [[Reunited Kingdom]] of Gondor and Arnor until year 120 of the [[Fourth Age]]. He died after 210 years of life and 122 years of reign. His wife Arwen, now mortal, gave up her life shortly afterwards in year 121, aged 2,901.<br /> <br /> He founded the [[House of Telcontar]], and was succeeded by his son [[Eldarion]]. He also had a number of daughters, whose names were not recorded.<br /> <br /> Through his ancestor Elendil, Aragorn is a descendant of the [[Númenóreans]], great [[Men]] who were granted long lives by the [[Valar]]. Though [[Númenor]] was destroyed, its people lived on as the [[Dúnedain]], and like their ancestors they too were long-lived. Thus Aragorn lived to a great age, finally passing on at 210 years.<br /> <br /> == Other Versions of the Legendarium ==<br /> In the earliest unpublished versions of ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'' (see ''[[The History of The Lord of the Rings]]''), the character that later became Aragorn was called '''''[[Trotter]]''''' instead of Strider, and was a [[Hobbit]] instead of a [[Men|Man]]. He has wooden feet, because he had once traveled to Mordor and been tortured there.<br /> <br /> == Portrayal in Adaptations ==<br /> <gallery> <br /> Image:Aragorn from Rankin-Bass' The Return of the King.jpg|Aragorn as portrayed in [[Rankin/Bass' The Return of the King]]<br /> Image:Strider from Ralph Bakshi's The Lord of the Rings.jpg|Aragorn as portrayed in [[Ralph Bakshi's The Lord of the Rings]]<br /> Image:Aragorn grimace.jpg|[[Viggo Mortensen]] as Aragorn in [[Peter Jackson's The Lord of the Rings]]<br /> </gallery> <br /> In the [[Rankin/Bass]] animated version of [[Rankin/Bass' The Return of the King|The Return of the King]], Aragorn is voiced by [[Theodore Bikel]].<br /> <br /> In Ralph Bakshi's animated film [[Ralph Bakshi's The Lord of the Rings|The Lord of the Rings]], Aragorn is voiced by [[John Hurt]].<br /> <br /> In [[Peter Jackson's The Lord of the Rings]], Aragorn is played by American actor [[Viggo Mortensen]]. Instead of explaining the complicated circumstances of an heir of Isildur taking the throne in Gondor (see [[Pelendur]] for an example), in the movie Aragorn must overcome his self-doubt to choose the kingship. This cinematic element adds appeal to a modern audience, but in the books there is no doubt of his purpose to return as the king.<br /> <br /> == Genealogy ==<br /> <code><br /> [[Eärendil the Mariner|Eärendil]] = [[Elwing]]<br /> | [[Celeborn, Lord of Lórien|Celeborn]] = [[Galadriel]]<br /> | |<br /> ________|________ |<br /> | | |<br /> | | |<br /> [[Elros]] [[Elrond]] = [[Celebrían]]<br /> : |<br /> : |<br /> : |<br /> : |<br /> [[Elendil]] † | <br /> | |<br /> ______|______ | <br /> | | | † [[High King]] of [[Arnor]] ''and'' [[Gondor]]<br /> | | |<br /> [[Isildur]] † [[Anárion son of Elendil|Anárion]] | <br /> : : | <br /> : : |<br /> ''The Kings'' ''The Kings'' |<br /> ''of [[Arnor]]'' ''of [[Gondor]]'' |<br /> : : |<br /> : : |<br /> : [[Eärnur]] ‡ | ‡ Last [[King of Gondor]]<br /> : |<br /> [[Chieftains of the Dúnedain|Chieftains of]] |<br /> [[Chieftains of the Dúnedain|the Dúnedain]] |<br /> : |<br /> : |<br /> [[Arathorn II]] = [[Gilraen]] |<br /> | |<br /> | |<br /> '''ARAGORN II ELESSAR''' = [[Arwen]]<br /> |<br /> _______|_______<br /> | |<br /> | |<br /> [[Eldarion]] ''numerous daughters''<br /> </code><br /> <br /> == Other Names and Titles ==<br /> Aragorn was also known as '''Strider''', '''Elessar Telcontar''' ("Elfstone Strider"), '''Thorongil''', '''The Dúnadan''' ("Man of the West"), '''Longshanks''' (given by [[Bill Ferny]]), '''Wingfoot''' (given by [[Éomer]]), and '''Estel''' ("Hope")<br /> {{sequence<br /> |prev=[[Arathorn II]]<br /> |next=none (abandoned)<br /> |list=[[Chieftain of the Dúnedain]]<br><code>III</code> 2933 – 3019<br /> }}<br /> {{sequence<br /> |prev=[[Eärnur]], 971 years earlier<br /> |next=[[Eldarion]]<br /> |list=[[King of Gondor]]<br><code>III</code> 3019 – <code>IV</code> 120<br /> }}<br /> {{sequence<br /> |prev=[[Arvedui]], 1,046 years earlier<br /> |next=[[Eldarion]]<br /> |list=[[King of Arnor]]<br><code>III</code> 3019 – <code>IV</code> 120<br /> }}<br /> {{sequence<br /> |prev=[[Isildur]], 3,017 years earlier<br /> |next=[[Eldarion]]<br /> |list=[[High King]] of the [[Reunited Kingdom]]<br><code>III</code> 3019 – <code>IV</code> 120<br /> }}<br /> {{sequence<br /> |prev=none<br /> |next=[[Eldarion]]<br /> |list=[[House of Telcontar]]<br><code>III</code> 3019 – <code>IV</code> 120<br /> }}<br /> {{fellowship}}<br /> <br /> == See Also ==<br /> * [[:Category:Images of Aragorn|Images of Aragorn]]<br /> <br /> [[Category:Dúnedain of the North]]<br /> [[Category:Rulers of Arnor]]<br /> [[Category:Rulers of Gondor]]</div>

Lord Aragorn1414 https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Ents&diff=26896 Ents 2006-07-18T16:12:58Z

<p>Lord Aragorn1414: /* The March of the Ents */</p> <hr /> <div>[[Image:John Howe - Treebeard.jpg|thumb|''Treebeard'' by [[John Howe]].]]<br /> As with ''[[Hobbit]]'', ''Ent'' is a term that in modern times is almost exclusively connected with [[J.R.R. Tolkien]], and the usage of the term seldom evokes in people its earlier meanings.<br /> <br /> Ents are a very old race that appeared in [[Middle-earth]] when the [[Elves]] did. They were apparently created by [[Ilúvatar|Eru Ilúvatar]] at the behest of [[Yavanna]], after she learned that [[Aulë]]'s children, the [[Dwarves]], were wont to fell trees. Ents were envisioned as Shepherds of the Trees, to protect the forests from [[Orcs]], Dwarves and other perils. The Elves have tales of teaching the trees to talk, and they also taught the Ents to talk: although the Ents were sentient beings at the time, they did not know how to speak until the Elves taught them. [[Treebeard]] said of the Elves "curing the Ents of their dumbness" that it was a great gift that could not be forgotten ("Always wanted to talk to everything, the old Elves did"). <br /> <br /> Ents are tree-like creatures, having become like the trees that they shepherd. They vary in traits, from everything to height and size, colouring, and the number of fingers and toes. An individual Ent more or less resembles the specific species of tree that they typically guard. For example, [[Quickbeam]] guarded Rowan trees and thus looked very much like a Rowan (tall and slender, etc.). In the [[Third Age]] of Middle-earth, the [[Fangorn Forest|Forest of Fangorn]] was apparently the only place Ents still inhabited, although the Ent-like [[Huorns]] may still have survived elsewhere, as in the Old Forest.<br /> <br /> === History ===<br /> Almost nothing is known of the early history of the Ents &#8212; they apparently lived in and protected the large forests of Middle-earth in previous ages, and they briefly appear near the end of the [[First Age]], attacking a band of Dwarves, apparently summoned by [[Beren Erchamion|Beren]] and [[Lúthien Tinúviel|Lúthien]]. Treebeard told of a time when apparently all of [[Eriador]] was one huge forest and part of his domain, but these immense forests were cut by the [[Númenóreans]] of the Second Age, or destroyed in the calamitous War of the Elves and Sauron of the 17th century of the Second Age. Treebeard's statement is also supported by remarks [[Elrond]] Half-elven made at the Council of Elrond. Elrond said that "Time was once when a squirrel could carry a nut from tree to tree from Rivendell to the Great Sea...", further indicating that all of Eriador was once a single vast primeval forest, of which Fangorn Forest was just "the Eastern End of it" according to Treebeard. <br /> <br /> [[Image:Luka Luka - Farewell to Fangorn.jpg|thumb|[[Entwives]] in ''Farewell to Fangorn'' by [[Luka Luka]].]]<br /> There used to be ''Entwives'' (literally "Ent-women"), but they started to move farther away from the Ents because they liked to plant and control things, so they moved away to the region that would later become the [[Brown Lands]] across the Great River [[Anduin]]. This area was destroyed by [[Sauron]], and the Entwives disappeared. The Ents looked for them, but have never found them. It is sung by the Ents that one day they will find each other. In the Fellowship of the Ring, Sam Gamgee says his cousin Hal saw treelike giant in the north of the Shire. When Pippin and Merry tell Treebeard about the Shire, Treebread says the entwives would like that land. <br /> <br /> === Language ===<br /> Ents are not hasty creatures, they take their time; even their language is "unhasty". In fact, their language appears to be based on an ancient form of [[Common Eldarin]], later enriched by [[Quenya]] and [[Sindarin]], although it includes many unique 'tree-ish' additions. There are actually two different languages:<br /> <br /> {{quote|It takes a long time to say anything in Old [[Entish]]...|[[Treebeard]]}}<br /> * Old Entish. Originally, the Ents had a language of their own, described as long and sonorous; it was a tonal language (like Chinese). It is unknown if a non-Ent could even pronounce Old Entish correctly: it was filled with many subtle vowel shades, and was very longwinded. Only Ents spoke Old Entish; not because they kept their language a secret, as the Dwarves did with Khuzdul, but because no others could master it. It was quite an alien language to all others. The Huorns and trees of Fangorn forest could understand Old Entish and converse with the Ents and each other with it. The only extant sample, ''a-lalla-lalla-rumba-kamanda-lindor-burúme'', the word for ''hill'' (or possibly even just part of the name of a specific hill), was described as a very inaccurate sampling. Even the Elves, master linguists, could not learn Old Entish, nor did they attempt to record it due to its complex sound structure. The grammar structure of Old Entish was also quite bizarre, often described as a lengthy, long-winded discussion of a topic. There may not even have been a word for ''yes'' and ''no'': such questions would be answered by a long monologue on why the Ent in question did or did not agree with the Ent who asked the question. The Ent Quickbeam was regarded as a very "hasty" Ent for answering a question before another Ent had finished: the end may only have been another hour away. Ents as a rule would say nothing in Old Entish unless it was worth taking a long time to say. For everyday language function, they usually resorted to "New" Entish.<br /> *"New" Entish (Never named as such in the text). Due to contact with the Elves, the Ents learned much from them. The Ents found the Elvish language Quenya to be a lovely language, and adapted it after their fashion to everyday use. However, they basically adapted Quenya vocabulary to Old Entish grammatical structure. Thus, unlike Old Entish, the individual words of "New Entish" that characters such as Treebeard spoke were easily translatable. However, in context they formed lengthy run-on sentences of redundant adjectives that could still stretch well over an hour in length. For example, when Treebeard essentially wanted to tell Merry and Pippin, "There is a shadow of the Great Darkness in the deep dales of the forest", he literally said in New Entish "Forest-golden-leaves, deep-dales-winter, forest-many-shadowed, deep-valley-black". Unlike Old Entish, a non-Ent conceivably could speak "New" Entish. Even when speaking the Common Speech, Westron, Ents fell into the habit of adapting it into their grammatical structure of repeating compound adjectives used to express fine shades of meaning.<br /> <br /> [[Image:Treebeard.jpeg|thumb|[[Treebeard]] from [[Peter Jackson's The Lord of the Rings]].]]<br /> Treebeard boasted to Merry and Pippin about the strength of the Ents. He said that they were much more powerful than [[Trolls]], which [[Morgoth]] (in the Elder Days or First Age) supposedly made as imitations of the Ents, but did not come near to their power. He compares this with how [[Orcs]] were Morgoth's imitation of [[Elves]].<br /> <br /> The Elvish name for Ents is ''Onodrim'', singular ''Onod''.<br /> <br /> === The March of the Ents ===<br /> {{quote|The Ents are going to war!|[[Treebeard]]}}<br /> In ''[[The Two Towers]]'', the second volume of Tolkien's ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'', the Ents&mdash;usually a very patient, deliberate people&mdash;do become angry at [[Saruman]], whose armies are cutting down (in their eyes, killing) large numbers of their trees. They convene an ''Entmoot'', a meeting of the Ents of [[Fangorn Forest]] at Derndingle. <br /> <br /> [[Image:Ted Nasmith - The Tree Shepherds.jpg|thumb|''The Tree Shepherds'' by [[Ted Nasmith]].]]<br /> After lengthy deliberation (though from the perspective of the Ents, this is very quick action), they march on Saruman's fortress at [[Isengard]]: the last march of the Ents. They are led by Treebeard, the oldest Ent, and accompanied by the [[Hobbits]] [[Meriadoc Brandybuck]] and [[Peregrin Took]]. They destroy Isengard in an all-out assault and trap Saruman in the tower of [[Orthanc]]. Tolkien later noted that the destruction of Isengard by the Ents was based off of personal disappointment in MacBeth, when "Birnham Wood is come to castle Dunsinane", Tolkien was less than thrilled that it amounted to men walking on stage with leaves in their hats; he decided that when he did that scene for himself, he'd do it right.<br /> <br /> ==External links==<br /> * [http://icbirmingham.icnetwork.co.uk/birminghampost/news/tm_objectid=15530734&method=full&siteid=50002&headline=tolkien-statue-plan-splits-community-name_page.html Plan to construct a 25' Ent in Birmingham]<br /> <br /> [[Category:Races]]</div>

Lord Aragorn1414 https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Palant%C3%ADri&diff=26895 Palantíri 2006-07-18T16:07:06Z

<p>Lord Aragorn1414: </p> <hr /> <div>[[Image:Saruman with Palantir from Peter Jackson's The Lord of the Rings.jpg|250px|thumb|Saruman with Palantir from Peter Jackson's The Lord of the Rings]]<br /> <br /> {{quote|They are not all accounded for, the lost seeing stones. We do not know who else may be watching!|[[Gandalf]]}}<br /> A '''palantír''' (sometimes translated as ''Seeing Stone'' but actually meaning "One that sees from afar") is a stone that functions somewhat like a crystal ball. When one looks in it, he can communicate with other Stones and anyone who might be looking into them; people of great power can manipulate the Stones to see virtually any part of the world. They were made by the Elves of [[Valinor]] in the [[Uttermost West]], almost certainly by the [[Ñoldor]] and possibly by [[Fëanor]]. Many ''palantíri'' were made, but the number is not known. Some had power over other Stones. The stones had various sizes. The smallest had a diameter of about a foot, while the largest filled a large chamber. The master stone was kept in the tower of ''Avallonë'' on [[Tol Eressëa]]. They are known to have a power over people, as seen from the experience of [[Peregrin Took]] and the Orthanc-stone.<br /> <br /> Some of the stones were given to the [[Dúnedain]] of [[Númenor]] as a gift, during the [[Second Age]]. Of these, [[Elendil]] took seven with him on his flight to Middle-earth, and in time they were distributed among seven places: four in [[Gondor]] and three in [[Arnor]]. By the end of the [[Third Age]], three had been lost forever, one was locked in [[Elostirion]], one was buried amongst the ruins of the Dark Tower of [[Barad-dûr]] and a sixth had been rendered virtually unusable. The seventh stone was retained by the king of the [[Reunited Kingdom]].<br /> <br /> [[Image:John Howe - Saruman's Palantir.jpg|thumb|left|''Saruman's Palantir'' by [[John Howe]].]]<br /> * The Stone of '''[[Osgiliath]]''' was the largest stone among the seven, and chief among them. It was placed in a prominent building in the capital city of the kingdom of Gondor. The ceiling was painted to resemble a starry sky, and gave its name (''os-giliath'', the [[Dome of Stars]]) to the city itself. This Stone was the first to be lost: during the civil war of the [[Kin-strife]] around the middle of the Third Age, it fell into the river [[Anduin]].<br /> <br /> * One Stone was placed in the tower of [[Elostirion]] in the [[Tower Hills]], just west of [[The Shire]]. Until it was taken back to the West with the three [[Three Rings|Elven Rings]], it could be used to look along the [[Straight Road]] to [[Avallonë]]. <br /> <br /> * The other two Stones in [[Arnor]] were those of the watch-tower of '''[[Amon Sûl]]''' and the city of '''[[Annúminas]]'''. Both of these were lost when [[Arvedui]] Last-king was shipwrecked in the Ice-bay of Forochel, in [[Third Age|T.A.]] 1975.<br /> <br /> * One Stone was placed at '''[[Minas Ithil]]''' in the mountains that came to be known as the [[Ephel Dúath]]. When Minas Ithil fell to the [[Nazgûl]], the Ithil-stone was taken to the [[Barad-dûr]] and used by [[Sauron]]. It was presumably destroyed at the fall of Sauron.<br /> <br /> * One Stone was placed at '''[[Orthanc]]''', the great tower built by the [[Dúnedain]] in the Second Age at the southern end of the [[Misty Mountains]]. It fell into the hands of the wizard [[Saruman]], who used it to garner information on his neighbors and their activities. The stone was also partially responsible for Saruman's fall from grace, as he was using it when he came upon [[Sauron]], and was ensnared by him, though his transformation to one of the fallen [[Maiar]] had undoubtedly begun much earlier. Saruman later used the stone to confer with [[Sauron]] through the Ithil-stone in Barad-dûr, and plan much of their mutual cooperation throughout the [[War of the Ring]]. This communication likely influenced his decision that resistance against Sauron was futile.<br><br>Later, [[Gríma Wormtongue|Gríma]], also called [[Wormtongue]], cast the stone down from [[Orthanc]], where it was recovered by [[Peregrin Took]] and turned over to [[Gandalf]]. Peregrin inadvertently contacted [[Sauron]], after which Gandalf turned the stone over to [[Aragorn]].<br/><br/> Using the stone, Aragorn declared himself as the heir of [[Isildur]] to Sauron, seeking to distract him from [[Frodo Baggins|Frodo]]. Sauron was led to believe that the [[One Ring]] had fallen into the hands of Aragorn or some other Western leader, and this was partly responsible for Sauron's hasty assault against [[Gondor]]. Sauron's attack, before he was fully ready, deeply influenced the outcome of the war. The Orthanc-stone remained in the custody of the Kings of Gondor in the [[Fourth Age]].<br /> <br /> * One Stone was placed at [[Minas Anor]], later renamed '''[[Minas Tirith]]''' and made the capital of [[Gondor]]. It was ultimately used by Steward [[Denethor]] to spy on [[Sauron]]. [[Denethor]] did not become corrupted, but the great effort of will that this required of him led him to age quickly. Furthermore, using the Ithil-stone, [[Sauron]] largely controlled what Denethor saw, leading to the latter's despair and insanity. [[Denethor]] was holding the stone when he committed suicide on a funeral pyre, and after this, only people of exceeding power could see in it anything other than two flaming hands.<br /> <br /> [[Image:Morgen Bell - The Palantir.jpg|thumb|200px|left|''The Palantir'' by Morgen Bell]]<br /> The stones' gaze can pierce anything except darkness and shadow. A technique called ''shrouding'' was used when something was to be kept secret from the enemies' eyes. Knowledge of this technique was however lost long ago, although Sauron probably knew of it.<br /> <br /> A '''Master Stone''' remained in [[Avallonë]] on [[Tol Eressëa]], but no record is made of successful communication from any Palantír of Middle-earth to this one.</div>

Lord Aragorn1414 https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=The_One_Ring&diff=26894 The One Ring 2006-07-18T15:59:27Z

<p>Lord Aragorn1414: </p> <hr /> <div>{{quote|But they were all of them decived... For another ring was made... And into this ring [[Sauron|he]] poured his cruelty, his malace, and his will to domonate all life.|[[Galadriel]], [[The Silmarillion]]}}<br /> <br /> The '''One Ring''', also known as the '''Ruling Ring''' or the '''Great Ring of Power''', is an artifact from [[J.R.R. Tolkien]]'s fictional [[Middle-earth]] universe. The Andvarinaut in the Volsunga saga is considered to have been the main inspiration. The story of the Quest to destroy the Ring is told in Tolkien's novel ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'', as is most of the Ring's history.<br /> <br /> == History ==<br /> [[Image:Roger Thomasson - The One Ring.jpg|thumb|''The One Ring'' by [[Roger Thomasson]].]]<br /> The One Ring was created by the Dark Lord [[Sauron]] during the [[Second Age]] in order to enlarge his own might by combining it with the power of the [[Elves|Elven]] Smiths, and thus to give him control over the other [[Rings of Power]], which had been made by [[Celebrimbor]] and his people with Sauron's influence. The One Ring was forged secretly in the fires of [[Mount Doom]]. His will was then inside a ring that could control the other rings. Thus, he was more powerful than ever before when he wore the Ring, but became much weaker when he lost it. Though it appeared to be made of simple gold, the Ring was virtually impervious to damage, and could only be destroyed by throwing it into the pit of the volcanic [[Mount Doom]] in which it had originally been forged. Unlike the lesser Rings, it bore no gem, but its identity could be determined by a simple (though little-known) test: when heated in a fire, it displayed in fiery [[Tengwar]] letters in the [[Black Speech]] of [[Mordor]] a section of poetry from part of its lore - the [[Ring-inscription]].<br /> <br /> When a person wore the ring, he would be partly "shifted" out of the physical realm into the spiritual realm. There, if he managed to consciously subdue the Ring's will with his own, he could wield all the powers that Sauron had before he lost the ring; notably, he could control and enslave the will of others. A side effect (but usually the first effect noticed) of the Ring was that it made the wearer invisible to physical beings like living [[Men]] but highly visible to spiritual beings like the [[Nazgûl]], dimmed the wearer's sight, and sharpened his hearing. This "shadow world" was the world the Wraiths were forced to live in always, but it was also a world in which the [[Calaquendi]] (Elves of Light) held great power: therefore [[Glorfindel]] was able to stay the [[Witch-king of Angmar|Witch-king]] at the [[Battle of Fornost]] and later again at the ford of [[Bruinen]] at [[Rivendell]].<br /> <br /> The enigmatic [[Tom Bombadil]] was unaffected by the Ring, or rather, the Ring had no effect on him. This may be explained in many ways. (See the [[Tom Bombadil|article on Tom Bombadil]], which includes some theories.)<br /> <br /> In [[Peter Jackson's The Lord of the Rings]], the wearer of the Ring is always portrayed as moving to a shadowy realm where everything is distorted. Neither [[Bilbo Baggins]] nor [[Frodo Baggins]] ever mentioned anything about this while using the Ring, but when Sam puts on the Ring at the end of ''[[The Two Towers]]'' he does experience something similar to this. This is the only time that this is mentioned in the books and could be attributed to Sauron's power increasing, and because Sam is within the borders of Mordor at the time he uses the Ring. Sam never wore the Ring in Jackson's movie.<br /> <br /> Part of the nature of the Ring is that it slowly but inevitably corrupted its wearer, regardless of any intentions to the contrary. Whether this was specifically designed into the Ring's magic or is simply an artifact of its evil origins is unknown. (Sauron might be expected to endow his One Ring with such a property, but he probably never intended anyone besides himself to wear it.) For this reason the Wise, including [[Gandalf]], [[Elrond]] and [[Galadriel]], refuse to wield it in their own defence, but instead determine that it must be destroyed. It appears that hobbits, being more pure of heart than Men, and far less powerful than Elves are the ideal vessels to resist its seductive power, this explains why Frodo and Bilbo bore it for long periods of time with very little ill effect, although Gollum, who bore it for over 500 years was warped out of recognition.<br /> <br /> After its original forging, the Ring was cut from Sauron's hand by [[Isildur]], who lost it in the River [[Gladden]] just before he was killed (some time just after 3434 of the [[Second Age]]). The Ring remained hidden in the river bed for almost two millennia, until it was discovered on a fishing trip by a [[Stoors|Stoor]] [[Hobbit]] named [[Déagol]]. He was murdered by his cousin [[Sméagol]], who stole the Ring, and was changed by the Ring's influence over many ages into the creature known as [[Gollum]]. The Ring, which Sauron had endowed with a will of its own, manipulated Gollum into settling in the [[Misty Mountains]] near [[Mirkwood]], where Sauron was beginning to resurface. There he and it remained for nearly five hundred years, until the Ring tired of him and fell off his finger as he was returning from killing an [[Orcs|Orc]]. <br /> <br /> As is told in ''[[The Hobbit]]'', Bilbo found the Ring while he was lost in the caverns of the Misty Mountains, near Gollum's lair. (When ''The Hobbit'' was written Tolkien had not yet conceived of the Ring's sinister back-story.) After losing the [[Riddle-game]] to Bilbo, Gollum went to get his "Precious" (as he always called it) so he could kill and eat him, but flew into a rage when he found it missing. Deducing that Bilbo had it from his last riddle&mdash;"What have I got in my pocket?"&mdash;Gollum chased him through the caves, not knowing that the Hobbit had discovered the Ring's powers of invisibility and was following him to the cave's exit. Bilbo escaped Gollum and the Orcs who inhabited the Misty Mountains by remaining invisible, but left that power out of the story he told the [[Dwarves]] he was traveling with. Gandalf, who was also traveling with the Dwarves, later forced the real story out of Bilbo, and was immediately suspicious of the Ring's powers. <br /> <br /> Gollum, meanwhile, eventually left the Misty Mountains to track down and reclaim the Ring. He wandered for decades, to be captured and interrogated by Sauron himself, to whom he revealed the existance of Bilbo and the Shire. <br /> <br /> In 3001 of the [[Third Age]], following Gandalf's counsel, Bilbo gave the Ring to his nephew and adopted heir [[Frodo Baggins|Frodo]]. This first willing sacrifice of the Ring in its history sparks the chain of events which eventually lead to its unmaking. It is one example of the frequent interplay between apparent chance and destiny, an ubiquitous theme in ''The Lord of the Rings''. <br /> <br /> By this time Sauron had begun to regain his power, and the [[Barad-dûr|Dark Tower]] in Mordor had been rebuilt. In order to prevent the recapture of the Ring, Frodo and eight other [[Fellowship of the Ring|companions]] set out from [[Rivendell]] for Mordor in an attempt to destroy the Ring in the fires of [[Mount Doom]]. During the quest, Frodo gradually became more and more susceptible to the Ring's power, and feared that it was going to corrupt him. When he and Sam discovered that Gollum was on their trail and "tamed" him into guiding them to Mordor, he began to feel a strange bond with the wretched, treacherous creature, seeing a possible future of himself that he felt he had to save in order to save himself. Gollum gave in to the Ring's temptation, however, and betrayed them to the spider [[Shelob]]. Believing Frodo to be dead, Sam bore the Ring himself for a short time, and glimpsed its power, although he never gave in to it. <br /> <br /> Sam rescued Frodo from a band of Orcs at the Tower of [[Cirith Ungol]] and returned the Ring to him, but feared that the toll it was taking was too great. It nearly was: although Frodo and Sam, followed by Gollum, eventually arrived at Mount Doom, Frodo decided<br /> to keep the Ring for himself rather than destroy it, evincing its corruptive nature. However, he was attacked by Gollum, who bit off the finger holding the Ring before falling into the fires of Mount Doom, finally destroying the Ring, and Sauron with it.<br /> <br /> == Appearance ==<br /> <br /> Physically the Ring resembled a geometrically perfect circle of pure gold, this perfection and purity being part of its allure. It seems to have been able to expand and contract, in order to fit its wearer's finger or slip from it treacherously. In [[Peter Jackson's The Fellowship of the Ring]], the Ring can be seen contracting to fit [[Isildur]]'s finger. When heated in fire, the Ring would bear the following inscription in Elvish ([[Fëanor]]ian) [[Tengwar]] letters in the Black Speech of Mordor:<br /> <br /> :''Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul,''<br /> :''ash nazg thrakatulûk, agh burzum-ishi krimpatul.''<br /> <br /> These are the first two lines from the end of a verse about the [[Rings of Power]] (see entry):<br /> <br /> :''One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them,''<br /> :''One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them.''<br /> <br /> == Symbolism of the One Ring ==<br /> <br /> Although Tolkien always strongly held that his works should not be seen as a metaphor for anything, and especially not for the political events of his time (for instance WWII or the Cold War; note that much of ''The Lord of the Rings'' was written prior to and during World War II and well before the Cold War), many people have felt an urge to see the One Ring as a symbol or metaphor for various things. Among them are atomic energy and the atomic bomb, which would both be anachronistic, as the Ring was invented in the late 1930s, and the atom bomb did not become public knowledge until 1945. Other possible interpretations are that the ring represents the urge for power, which in Tolkien's view is always corrupting. <br /> <br /> A recent interpretation by Danish author [[Peter Kjaerulff]] is that the Ring symbolises ''The Cursed Ring'', a device described by both Plato in his ''Republic'' (the Ring of Gyges), and in Richard Wagner's ''Ring'' operas, besides Tolkien. Although Tolkien denied any connection, it is certainly possible that the One Ring was inspired by the central artifact of Wagner's ''Der Ring des Nibelungen'' (''The Ring of the Nibelung''), without being meant to "symbolise" it. See also andvarinaut.<br /> <br /> The quest to destroy the One Ring is unusual in both folklore and literary epics. Quests to regain a treasure are common in folklore and literature. Tolkien described such a quest in ''The Hobbit'' to recover the treasure stolen from the [[Dwarves]] by the dragon [[Smaug]]. Quests to destroy a treasure are seldom the theme of folklore or literature. <br /> <br /> A different way to look at this question is to ask what gives the idea of the Ring its power as a story element, without considering whether it was intended as a symbol for any one thing. The notion of a power too great for humans to wield safely is an evocative one, and already in the 1930s there were plenty of technologies available to make people think of that idea. The lure and effect of the Ring and its physical and spiritual after-effects on Bilbo and Frodo are obsessions that can be compared with drug addiction, for which the Ring serves as a powerful metaphor.<br /> <br /> == List of times the One ring worn in Lord of the Rings ==<br /> <br /> The One Ring was tried on by several people, at different points in the book:<br /> <br /> *Merry tells the story of Bilbo using the ring to escape being seen by the Sackville-Bagginses (not shown in the movie)<br /> *By Bilbo after his speech at his 111th birthday party.<br /> *Tom Bombadil puts on the ring but it has no effect on him. (not shown in the movie)<br /> *Frodo tries on the ring shortly after this to see if it still works, yet Tom Bombadil can still see him. (not shown in the movie)<br /> *Frodo accidentally puts the ring on at Bree, tripping after he was singing a song at the Inn<br /> *Frodo puts on the ring at Weathertop, when they are attacked by the Nazgul.<br /> *Frodo uses the ring to escape Boromir, at the Emyn Muil mountains.<br /> *He uses it a second time shortly afterwards to take one of the boats and row across the river. Yet this is still noticed by Sam.<br /> *Sam puts the ring on to stay hidden from an orc company at Cirith Ungol.<br /> *Frodo puts on the ring at the crack of doom, when it is bitten off his finger by Gollum</div>

Lord Aragorn1414 https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page&diff=26893 Talk:Main Page 2006-07-18T15:55:26Z

<p>Lord Aragorn1414: Musical Compositions</p> <hr /> <div>As my knowledge of all things [[Tolkien]] is far inferior to that of some things [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wiki Wiki], I want to suggest some things...<br /> <br /> First of all: Page titles such as [[Barahir grandson of Faramir]] should be avoided as much as possible. Only when there are more than one [[Barahir]]s should this be used. If you have to do this, do it this way: '''Barahir (grandson of Faramir)''' so you don't forget whether or not you added that dratted comma...<br /> <br /> Further it might be an idea to add a sort of "pub" for this kind of discussions. - [[User:Bokkie|Bokkie]] 18:04, 3 Sep 2005 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ==Good Ideas==<br /> Great points. Barahir is one of those names that are used quite frequently, i.e. [[Barahir son of Bregor]], [[Barahir son of Hador]], [[Barahir grandson of Faramir]], etc. In the beginning I was debating whether to do the parenthesis or not, but now that you bring it up, it is most likely something that we need to use.<br /> <br /> A portal for discussion other than the main page is a good idea too, I'll try and think of a good name for something, although [[Portal]] might work, heh.<br /> <br /> Thanks for your comments. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 16:45, 5 Sep 2005 (EDT)<br /> ==Feedback==<br /> Very intresting wiki site!... Thanx! --[[User:213.228.84.66|213.228.84.66]] 18:31, 15 October 2005 (EDT)<br /> <br /> * Thanks for the compliment :) It's people like you who keep me motivated. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 18:45, 15 October 2005 (EDT)<br /> <br /> == license? ==<br /> Is the content here GFDL? [[User:Gimli|Gimli]] 07:18, 6 March 2006 (EST)<br /> <br /> :What do you mean? --[[User:Earendilyon|Earendilyon]] 07:36, 6 March 2006 (EST)<br /> <br /> ::I mean is it available under the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Free_Documentation_License - can it be copied to other sites under the provisions of that licence? Also if content has been copied from wikipedia, shouldnt it be acknowledged? [[User:Gimli|Gimli]] 08:30, 6 March 2006 (EST)<br /> <br /> :::Hello [[User:Gimli|Gimli]], yes our content is under the same license, GNU FDL as [http://www.wikipedia.org Wikipedia]. Any articles derived from Wikipedia will be rewritten so we have no plans to add an acknowledgement on the articles at this time. [http://lotr.wikicities Wikicities] is free to copy our content but it is disappointing to see so many wikis working against eachother. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 10:26, 6 March 2006 (EST)<br /> <br /> ::::Hi Hyarion, I was doing alot of work on the [http://lotr.wikicities.com/wiki lotr wiki] without realising this site existed until a few days ago. now Im not sure what to do since the lotr wikicities community is going fairly well but has nowhere near as many articles as here. not sure if its worth trying to copy or what - perhaps there could be some way we could agree to format/arrange articles differently to justify having 2 tolkien wikis [[User:Gimli|Gimli]] 19:47, 6 March 2006 (EST)<br /> <br /> :::::Ya I'm not really sure either. There's also [http://www.thetolkienwiki.org The Tolkien Wiki] and a couple other wikis out there too. I honestly can't think of any aspects the two wikis would differ on off the top of my head but let me know if you think of anything. I know Robin from the lotr wiki said he was going to concentrate on [[The Lord of the Rings]] and since we cover more than just that they didn't want to merge. Competition is always nice but I just don't like watching us waste our time doing the same things. Let me know what I can do. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 20:39, 6 March 2006 (EST)<br /> <br /> ::::::That sounds alright to me especially since I am not very familiar with [[Silmarillion]] related things - I guess just because of the wikis names wikicities could focus on LOTR and you on JRR Tolkien himself? [[User:Gimli|Gimli]] 02:53, 9 March 2006 (EST)<br /> <br /> ::::::: Heh, unfortunately that would leave us with around 100 articles :p. Our goal since we started has been to focus on everything related to [[J.R.R. Tolkien]], including his works, non-canon material, secondary material, collectibles, languages, films, the fans, etc. As we've devoted so much time to this already I think we will be continuing on this path, sorry. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 11:36, 9 March 2006 (EST)<br /> <br /> == Main page redesign ==<br /> <br /> I'm trying to redesign the main page a bit so as to not scare off any visitors. If you have any suggestions just let me know and I'll add them. The introduction text should probably be rewritten, possibly shorter. I also think instead of a featured image and a featured article we could showcase a featured article with an image from that article, and a bit more text directly from the article. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 16:12, 23 April 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :IMO, the link to '''Welcome''' in the opening sentence is unnecessary, as the welcome message is just below it. Coupling the featured picture to the featured article is a sound idea if you'd ask me; gives the page some more coherence *thumbs up*. --[[User:Earendilyon|Earendilyon]] 17:04, 23 April 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::Hm, good point I can take it off for now, eventually I'd like to remove the welcome statement from the main page and add it to the welcome page, and then also add a [[Tolkien Gateway]] page with information about the site if the welcome is not enough (and link to that as well). Then we can focus on news / featured articles / navigation links, hopefully it will be self-explanatory enough that people won't get confused, though I doubt many even read the paragraph. I'll try and get a Featured article page rotation going so people can submit possible featured articles, vote on them, and move them onto the main page a bit faster, as now it's just random. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 17:10, 23 April 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :::Personnally, I've no problem with a randomly chosen featured article. Why complicate things with voting and stuff? It also will point people to lesser know articles. If it's really a daily new featured article, it will liven things up a bit. Why not make it an hourly featured article, will pace the rotations circle a bit up (by a factor of 24, to be precise)! --[[User:Earendilyon|Earendilyon]] 17:16, 23 April 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ::::Hehe, hm, definitely a thought. I'll see if I can rig something to do it automatically but we might have to change it manually. What we could do is have [[Featured article/April 23 2006]] and the main page could have <nowiki>[[:Featured article/{{CURRENTDAY}}]]</nowiki>. I think one reason people do vote for Featured articles as it allows competition for users to rewrite and tidy up articles in hopes that their work would be featured on the main page. And if we did this we could also have an Improvement center where we post articles that need to be improved. But combining the two by doing random featured articles would work great too. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 17:22, 23 April 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> == Purpose of site? ==<br /> <br /> This is going to come across badly, I'm sure, so I apologize in advance for my skepticism. But, er, what exactly is the purpose of the Tolkien Gateway as opposed to the various other Tolkien wikis online (or, for that matter, Wikipedia itself)? In particular, it looks like a number of the articles here are at least currently based on the corresponding entries from Wikipedia. What was the argument for branching them off to form a separate site rather than simply improving them in place? (Not that I object to the impulse to create one's own site, mind you! But I feel some level of concern about fragmentation of effort.) [http://tolkien.slimy.com/ Steuard] --[[User:128.135.152.14|128.135.152.14]] 12:24, 31 May 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> <br /> ===Hyarion's response===<br /> ''Adding my own header as it looks like I've gone off and written a novel''<br /> <br /> Hello Steuard, what an honor to have you here, make yourself at home :) Don't worry, your question doesn't come across badly as why we are here is an important question.<br /> <br /> Your first question is why should we be here when there are other Tolkien wikis, good question. We’ve been around for over 3 years now, well before much of the hype surrounding wikis and when everyone and their grandmother decided to have one. With almost 4,500 articles we are currently the largest and most active Tolkien-related wiki or encyclopedia for that matter. With hundreds of updates a day, we are really growing fast and it becomes much more than one person could do on their own.<br /> <br /> There are a couple other wikis that I have knowledge of, [http://www.thetolkienwiki.org The Tolkien Wiki] being one. I’m not a fan of that particular engine and unfortunately the activity is minimal but Walter is a great guy. Then there is [http://lotr.wikia.com lotr.wikia.com] which started later and though at first they stated they were concentrating on [[The Lord of the Rings]] it seems they have since changed and now have MERP related articles, I'm not sure where they are heading to be honest (not to sound rude I hope as I honestly don't). They also have advertisements and are a for-profit company, I don’t think the Tolkien Estate will be very pleased. There’s also a few non-English Tolkien wikis, [http://ardapedia.herr-der-ringe-film.de/index.php/Hauptseite Ardapedia] and [http://kontu.merri.net/wiki/Etusivu Kontu Wiki], I actually convinced Merri to start the Finnish wiki and he has done a great job with it. We are also considering expanding into other languages as well but we will probably concentrate on English for the next few years before trying to expand.<br /> <br /> Wikipedia is a great project but unfortunately they can only concentrate on the major Tolkien-related articles. While we focus on ''everything'', including essays, reviews, music, publications, collectibles, images, etc. [http://starwars.wikia.com Wookieepedia] is an example of where we are heading as they have well over 30,000 articles, by far too many for any environment not specializing on the subject. <br /> <br /> You will notice that some articles have roots from Wikipedia, yes. When we started out we borrowed some content from them as is allowed with the GNU FDL. However we have greatly improved on those articles and have been rewriting them from the ground up constantly. You will find many of our editors on the site still contribute to the Tolkien articles on Wikipedia and we are by no means trying to mimic what they do. <br /> <br /> It seems the above still doesn’t create a convincing answer so here are some raw projects that we are working on that we would not be able to accomplish on Wikipedia:<br /> * We are listing '''all''' Amon Hen, Mallorn, Beyond Bree, Orcrist, LotR Fan Club, Tolkien Journal, Parma Nole, Lembas Extra, Arda, etc. journals and putting their contents and cover page on their own articles. The article will of course contain links to purchase the back issue as well as the official site of the publication.<br /> * We also received the rights this week to store all of the [[Fraud of the Rings]] comics, this is something not even freely available on the official site.<br /> <br /> * The [[Tolkien Google logo petition]] is something else Wikipedia would not condone.<br /> * Screenplays for purists and The Hobbit are other projects we currently are working on.<br /> * We also are trying to have an article for every single Tolkien-related game.<br /> * Archiving any and all Tolkien imagery<br /> * Listing any and all Tolkien-inspired music<br /> * Listing all collectibles related to Tolkien and his works<br /> * Listing all books related to the Professor and his works<br /> [[Tolkien Gateway:Projects|etc.]]<br /> <br /> This being said our main goal is focusing on the legendarium and the Tolkien-inspired items are only a secondary objective.<br /> <br /> It is probably better to look at Tolkien Gateway as a community more so than simply a wiki. We also run [http://tolkiennews.net TolkienNews.net] and host sites such the [http://www.herenistarion.org North East Tolkien Society], [http://www.shirepost.com ShirePost.com], and a few more on the horizon. We also run the Tolkien IRC Network which averages 20-30 users in the main lobby and hosts sites such as [http://www.minastirith.com minastirith.com], [http://www.ancanar.com ancanar.com], [http://www.herenistarion.org herenistarion.org], [http://www.imladris.dk imladris.dk], [http://www.lotrosource.com lotrosource.com], [http://www.ardapost.com ardapost.com], etc.<br /> <br /> Now that just looks like one big advertisement…sorry about that. If you need me to be more specific on something please let me know. We are always very open to new ideas and if you have any suggestions please let us know.<br /> <br /> One thing I’ve been meaning to talk to you about is linking to your FAQ as well as the newsgroups. What we’ve been doing with Tolkien forums is when there is a specific topic being discussed, such as the whereabouts of the [[Entwives]], we link our article to their thread. I’d like to do this with both the Meta-FAQ and newsgroups so for example on our article on [[the Shire]] we could link to your FAQ on whether the Shire was meant to be England, etc.<br /> <br /> Thanks for dropping by as it means a lot to us, and keep up the great work on your sites! --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 14:05, 31 May 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Good answer. :) It does sound like you'll be much freer to add information on "minor" topics here than you would be on a broad site like Wikipedia; I think you've convinced me that it's a good idea. I hope that some level of cross-fertilization goes on between the community here and the community there.<br /> <br /> :As for my Meta-FAQ (and related work), you are of course welcome to link to any bits of it that you think would be useful. (That's something else that some folks might have a problem with on Wikipedia, come to think of it.) I've always wished that I had time to track down the best Usenet newsgroup threads to link to for each of my FAQ topics, but real life keeps me too busy these days to consider such a major project. It would have been much easier if, like you, I'd started keeping track of the threads at the same time that I started writing the FAQ! In any case, best wishes with the site, and many thanks for your detailed answer to my question. [http://tolkien.slimy.com/ Steuard] --[[User:128.135.152.14|128.135.152.14]] 16:23, 31 May 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> == Quotes ==<br /> <br /> Some wikis (namely the Star Wars wiki) use quotes to describe articles. i.e. "''A demon of the ancheint world. This foe is beyond any of you.''" -[[Gandalf]] would describe the [[Balrog]]. Could we start doing this? -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 14:31, 17 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :Hello Lord Vad...Aragorn, we like to think of Wookieepedia as our sister wiki as we tend to borrow quite a few ideas from them. Quotes at the top of articles to describe the character/place/item/etc are one of these ideas. We haven't fully implemented all the articles but some such as [[Hobbits]] or [[The Silmarillion]] or [[Dragons]], etc. display this idea. This is something we definitely wish to expand on and if you have any quotes you would like to use feel free to do so. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 14:40, 17 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> ::Okay then, thank you! You like to play on my name alot don't you? That's okay, though. ;) -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 14:46, 17 July 2006 (EDT)<br /> <br /> == Musical Compositions ==<br /> <br /> Shoud we start doing articles for Howard Shore's musical works? i.e. "''In Dreams''", "''[[Gollum]]'s Song''", etc. -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 11:55, 18 July 2006 (EDT)</div>

Lord Aragorn1414 https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_the_Hornburg&diff=26892 Battle of the Hornburg 2006-07-18T15:51:25Z

<p>Lord Aragorn1414: </p> <hr /> <div>[[Image:Alan_Lee_-_The_Battle_at_Helm's_Deep.JPG|right|thumb|250px|''The Battle at Helm's Deep'' by [[Alan Lee]].]]<br /> The '''Battle of the Hornburg''' is also referred to as the '''Battle of Helm's Deep'''. The battle pitted the forces of [[Saruman]] against the warriors of [[Rohan]] under King [[Théoden]], who had taken refuge in the mountain fortress of [[Helm's Deep]].<br /> <br /> {{quote|[[Sauron]] will use his puppet, Saruman, to destroy the people of Rohan.|[[Galadriel]]}}<br /> <br /> The forces of Saruman, [[Orcs]] and [[Uruk-hai]] together with human [[Dunlendings]], arrived at the valley of [[Helm's Deep]] in the middle of the night. They quickly scaled over the first defense, [[Helm's Dike]], and attempted to break down the fortress's gate with a battering ram. But [[Aragorn]], [[Éomer]], and some other Rohirrim attacked, scattering the forces threatening the doors.<br /> <br /> The Orcs and Dunlendings then raised hundreds of ladders to scale the wall. Aragorn and Éomer had to repeatedly move the defenders, who were getting weary, to repel the Orcs coming up the ladders and crossing the wall. However, some Orcs had crept in though a culvert which let a stream out of Helm's Deep, and while the defenders were busy with the assault on the wall, they suddenly attacked, having made it past the wall. The defenders quickly reacted and drove back the Orcs, and the culvert was blocked up under supervision by [[Gimli]].<br /> <br /> However, the enemies reentered the culvert and caused an explosion using a device of Saruman's. This made a wide hole in the wall, and Saruman's forces could not be stopped. The defenders retreated to the [[Glittering Caves]] and to the Deep. Soon Saruman's forces used their blasting fire to gain entrance to the Deep. At this moment, however, the horn of Helm's Deep was sounded, and after a moment a sortie led by Théoden and Aragorn rode forth, followed by men on foot. Théoden and Aragorn cut through the Orcs and Dunlendings and arrived at Helm's Dike.<br /> <br /> Both armies then noticed that many trees, [[Huorns]], had moved to block a possible escape route for the Orcs. Then [[Gandalf]], [[Erkenbrand]], and a thousand riders arrived, and charged. The Dunlendings were so terrified of Gandalf that they could no longer fight. The Orcs lost control and ran into the trees, where the Huorns destroyed them. Thus, Rohan won the battle. <br /> <br /> After the battle those Dunlendings who surrendered were given amnesty by King Théoden and allowed to return to home. The Rohirrim required that all hostilities cease, and that the Dunlendings retreat behind the [[Isen]] river again. The slain Dunlendings were buried in a mound of their own apart from the Orc carcasses.<br /> <br /> =="Battle of Helm's Deep"==<br /> <br /> The Battle of the Hornburg is a key part of a movie based on the book, ''[[Peter Jackson's The Two Towers|The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers]]''. The amount of time spent around the battle in the movie was much more than in the original book. In the context of the film, it is referred to as the ''Battle of Helm's Deep'', a title which was never used by Tolkien but which is often used by fans, probably because it occupies a chapter entitled "Helm's Deep". <br /> <br /> One major difference in the film is that [[Elrond]], at the prompting of [[Galadriel]], sends a contingent of [[Elves|Elven]] archers to reinforce the defence of the keep. A similar event takes place in the novel, in which [[Elrond]] and [[Galadriel]] send a company of Aragorn's fellow Rangers, accompanied by Elrond's sons, [[Elladan]] and [[Elrohir]], bringing the gift of a banner and the advice to take the [[Paths of the Dead]]. In the book, however, this takes place after the Battle of the Hornburg.<br /> <br /> In the movie, the thousands of troops of Saruman laid siege to the fortress which was defended by around 300 men (many of whom were too young or too old to fight) which the Rohirrim could muster and the aforementioned Elven Archers. When Legolas says there are "300" Rohirrim there he may have meant ''at that time'' as more were fleeing to the fortress, because visually there are more than 300 Rohirrim appearing on screen in the battle. These forces suffered heavy losses, but held out till dawn when Gandalf arrived with thousands of Rohirrim riders who finally turned the tide of the battle and sent Saruman's forces into retreat.<br /> <br /> Properly speaking, the fortress is the Hornburg and Helm's Deep is the ravine behind it. In one of his letters regarding a proposed film adaptation, Tolkien protested the use of ''Helm's Deep'', stating that, "the 'defence of the Hornburg'...would be a better title, since Helm's Deep, the ravine behind, is not shown" (''[[The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien|Letters]]'', 210). On the significance of the Battle, he also comments that "If both the [[Ents]] and the Hornburg cannot be treated at sufficient length to make sense, then one should go. It should be the Hornburg, which is incidental to the main story".<br /> <br /> {{wotr}}<br /> <br /> [[Category:Battles|Hornburg]]</div>

Lord Aragorn1414 https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_the_Hornburg&diff=26891 Battle of the Hornburg 2006-07-18T15:51:03Z

<p>Lord Aragorn1414: </p> <hr /> <div>[[Image:Alan_Lee_-_The_Battle_at_Helm's_Deep.JPG|right|thumb|250px|''The Battle at Helm's Deep'' by [[Alan Lee]].]]<br /> The '''Battle of the Hornburg''' is also referred to as the '''Battle of Helm's Deep'''. The battle pitted the forces of [[Saruman]] against the warriors of [[Rohan]] under King [[Théoden]], who had taken refuge in the mountain fortress of [[Helm's Deep]].<br /> <br /> {{quote|[[Sauron]] will use his puppet, Saruman, to destroy the people of Rohan|[[Galadriel]]}}<br /> <br /> The forces of Saruman, [[Orcs]] and [[Uruk-hai]] together with human [[Dunlendings]], arrived at the valley of [[Helm's Deep]] in the middle of the night. They quickly scaled over the first defense, [[Helm's Dike]], and attempted to break down the fortress's gate with a battering ram. But [[Aragorn]], [[Éomer]], and some other Rohirrim attacked, scattering the forces threatening the doors.<br /> <br /> The Orcs and Dunlendings then raised hundreds of ladders to scale the wall. Aragorn and Éomer had to repeatedly move the defenders, who were getting weary, to repel the Orcs coming up the ladders and crossing the wall. However, some Orcs had crept in though a culvert which let a stream out of Helm's Deep, and while the defenders were busy with the assault on the wall, they suddenly attacked, having made it past the wall. The defenders quickly reacted and drove back the Orcs, and the culvert was blocked up under supervision by [[Gimli]].<br /> <br /> However, the enemies reentered the culvert and caused an explosion using a device of Saruman's. This made a wide hole in the wall, and Saruman's forces could not be stopped. The defenders retreated to the [[Glittering Caves]] and to the Deep. Soon Saruman's forces used their blasting fire to gain entrance to the Deep. At this moment, however, the horn of Helm's Deep was sounded, and after a moment a sortie led by Théoden and Aragorn rode forth, followed by men on foot. Théoden and Aragorn cut through the Orcs and Dunlendings and arrived at Helm's Dike.<br /> <br /> Both armies then noticed that many trees, [[Huorns]], had moved to block a possible escape route for the Orcs. Then [[Gandalf]], [[Erkenbrand]], and a thousand riders arrived, and charged. The Dunlendings were so terrified of Gandalf that they could no longer fight. The Orcs lost control and ran into the trees, where the Huorns destroyed them. Thus, Rohan won the battle. <br /> <br /> After the battle those Dunlendings who surrendered were given amnesty by King Théoden and allowed to return to home. The Rohirrim required that all hostilities cease, and that the Dunlendings retreat behind the [[Isen]] river again. The slain Dunlendings were buried in a mound of their own apart from the Orc carcasses.<br /> <br /> =="Battle of Helm's Deep"==<br /> <br /> The Battle of the Hornburg is a key part of a movie based on the book, ''[[Peter Jackson's The Two Towers|The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers]]''. The amount of time spent around the battle in the movie was much more than in the original book. In the context of the film, it is referred to as the ''Battle of Helm's Deep'', a title which was never used by Tolkien but which is often used by fans, probably because it occupies a chapter entitled "Helm's Deep". <br /> <br /> One major difference in the film is that [[Elrond]], at the prompting of [[Galadriel]], sends a contingent of [[Elves|Elven]] archers to reinforce the defence of the keep. A similar event takes place in the novel, in which [[Elrond]] and [[Galadriel]] send a company of Aragorn's fellow Rangers, accompanied by Elrond's sons, [[Elladan]] and [[Elrohir]], bringing the gift of a banner and the advice to take the [[Paths of the Dead]]. In the book, however, this takes place after the Battle of the Hornburg.<br /> <br /> In the movie, the thousands of troops of Saruman laid siege to the fortress which was defended by around 300 men (many of whom were too young or too old to fight) which the Rohirrim could muster and the aforementioned Elven Archers. When Legolas says there are "300" Rohirrim there he may have meant ''at that time'' as more were fleeing to the fortress, because visually there are more than 300 Rohirrim appearing on screen in the battle. These forces suffered heavy losses, but held out till dawn when Gandalf arrived with thousands of Rohirrim riders who finally turned the tide of the battle and sent Saruman's forces into retreat.<br /> <br /> Properly speaking, the fortress is the Hornburg and Helm's Deep is the ravine behind it. In one of his letters regarding a proposed film adaptation, Tolkien protested the use of ''Helm's Deep'', stating that, "the 'defence of the Hornburg'...would be a better title, since Helm's Deep, the ravine behind, is not shown" (''[[The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien|Letters]]'', 210). On the significance of the Battle, he also comments that "If both the [[Ents]] and the Hornburg cannot be treated at sufficient length to make sense, then one should go. It should be the Hornburg, which is incidental to the main story".<br /> <br /> {{wotr}}<br /> <br /> [[Category:Battles|Hornburg]]</div>

Lord Aragorn1414 https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Battle_of_the_Hornburg&diff=26890 Battle of the Hornburg 2006-07-18T15:50:39Z

<p>Lord Aragorn1414: </p> <hr /> <div>[[Image:Alan_Lee_-_The_Battle_at_Helm's_Deep.JPG|right|thumb|250px|''The Battle at Helm's Deep'' by [[Alan Lee]].]]<br /> The '''Battle of the Hornburg''' is also referred to as the '''Battle of Helm's Deep'''. The battle pitted the forces of [[Saruman]] against the warriors of [[Rohan]] under King [[Théoden]], who had taken refuge in the mountain fortress of [[Helm's Deep]].<br /> <br /> {{quote|[[Saroun]] will use his puppet, Saruman, to destroy the people of Rohan|[[Galadriel]]}}<br /> <br /> The forces of Saruman, [[Orcs]] and [[Uruk-hai]] together with human [[Dunlendings]], arrived at the valley of [[Helm's Deep]] in the middle of the night. They quickly scaled over the first defense, [[Helm's Dike]], and attempted to break down the fortress's gate with a battering ram. But [[Aragorn]], [[Éomer]], and some other Rohirrim attacked, scattering the forces threatening the doors.<br /> <br /> The Orcs and Dunlendings then raised hundreds of ladders to scale the wall. Aragorn and Éomer had to repeatedly move the defenders, who were getting weary, to repel the Orcs coming up the ladders and crossing the wall. However, some Orcs had crept in though a culvert which let a stream out of Helm's Deep, and while the defenders were busy with the assault on the wall, they suddenly attacked, having made it past the wall. The defenders quickly reacted and drove back the Orcs, and the culvert was blocked up under supervision by [[Gimli]].<br /> <br /> However, the enemies reentered the culvert and caused an explosion using a device of Saruman's. This made a wide hole in the wall, and Saruman's forces could not be stopped. The defenders retreated to the [[Glittering Caves]] and to the Deep. Soon Saruman's forces used their blasting fire to gain entrance to the Deep. At this moment, however, the horn of Helm's Deep was sounded, and after a moment a sortie led by Théoden and Aragorn rode forth, followed by men on foot. Théoden and Aragorn cut through the Orcs and Dunlendings and arrived at Helm's Dike.<br /> <br /> Both armies then noticed that many trees, [[Huorns]], had moved to block a possible escape route for the Orcs. Then [[Gandalf]], [[Erkenbrand]], and a thousand riders arrived, and charged. The Dunlendings were so terrified of Gandalf that they could no longer fight. The Orcs lost control and ran into the trees, where the Huorns destroyed them. Thus, Rohan won the battle. <br /> <br /> After the battle those Dunlendings who surrendered were given amnesty by King Théoden and allowed to return to home. The Rohirrim required that all hostilities cease, and that the Dunlendings retreat behind the [[Isen]] river again. The slain Dunlendings were buried in a mound of their own apart from the Orc carcasses.<br /> <br /> =="Battle of Helm's Deep"==<br /> <br /> The Battle of the Hornburg is a key part of a movie based on the book, ''[[Peter Jackson's The Two Towers|The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers]]''. The amount of time spent around the battle in the movie was much more than in the original book. In the context of the film, it is referred to as the ''Battle of Helm's Deep'', a title which was never used by Tolkien but which is often used by fans, probably because it occupies a chapter entitled "Helm's Deep". <br /> <br /> One major difference in the film is that [[Elrond]], at the prompting of [[Galadriel]], sends a contingent of [[Elves|Elven]] archers to reinforce the defence of the keep. A similar event takes place in the novel, in which [[Elrond]] and [[Galadriel]] send a company of Aragorn's fellow Rangers, accompanied by Elrond's sons, [[Elladan]] and [[Elrohir]], bringing the gift of a banner and the advice to take the [[Paths of the Dead]]. In the book, however, this takes place after the Battle of the Hornburg.<br /> <br /> In the movie, the thousands of troops of Saruman laid siege to the fortress which was defended by around 300 men (many of whom were too young or too old to fight) which the Rohirrim could muster and the aforementioned Elven Archers. When Legolas says there are "300" Rohirrim there he may have meant ''at that time'' as more were fleeing to the fortress, because visually there are more than 300 Rohirrim appearing on screen in the battle. These forces suffered heavy losses, but held out till dawn when Gandalf arrived with thousands of Rohirrim riders who finally turned the tide of the battle and sent Saruman's forces into retreat.<br /> <br /> Properly speaking, the fortress is the Hornburg and Helm's Deep is the ravine behind it. In one of his letters regarding a proposed film adaptation, Tolkien protested the use of ''Helm's Deep'', stating that, "the 'defence of the Hornburg'...would be a better title, since Helm's Deep, the ravine behind, is not shown" (''[[The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien|Letters]]'', 210). On the significance of the Battle, he also comments that "If both the [[Ents]] and the Hornburg cannot be treated at sufficient length to make sense, then one should go. It should be the Hornburg, which is incidental to the main story".<br /> <br /> {{wotr}}<br /> <br /> [[Category:Battles|Hornburg]]</div>

Lord Aragorn1414 https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=And%C3%BAril&diff=26889 Andúril 2006-07-18T15:46:34Z

<p>Lord Aragorn1414: </p> <hr /> <div>{{Pronounce|Anduril.mp3|Ardamir}}<br /> [[Image:Noble Collection - Andúril.jpg|thumb|200px|left|''Andúril'' as conceived by [[The Noble Collection]]]]<br /> <br /> {{quote|...Renewed shall be blade that was broken, the crownless again shall be [[Aragorn II|king]].|[[Boromir]]'s dream}}<br /> <br /> '''Andúril''' was name for the sword '''[[Narsil]]''' after its reforging in [[Third Age]] 3019 for [[Aragorn II|Aragorn]], the heir of [[Isildur]]. Narsil was a symbol of the kingship of [[Arnor]] and [[Gondor]], but was broken at the end of the [[Last Alliance of Elves and Men]] at the end of the [[Second Age]]. Aragorn, as the Chieftain of the [[Rangers of the North]], and therefore the descendant of the Kings of Arnor and Gondor, carried the fragments of the ancient sword. After three thousand years, Narsil was finally reforged as Andúril when Aragorn set out to reclaim his kingdom.<br /> <br /> Aragorn carried the sword during his journey south as part of the [[Fellowship of the Ring]], and it featured prominently at several points in the story, where it was sometimes referred to as the "Sword That Was Broken" or the "Sword Reforged".<br /> <br /> [[Boromir son of Denethor II|Boromir]], son of the [[Steward of Gondor]], travelled to [[Rivendell]] for the [[Council of Elrond]] because of the prophetic dream of his brother [[Faramir son of Denethor II|Faramir]]. The dream told him to "seek for the Sword that was broken." Aragorn often used the sword to help establish his credentials as the heir to the throne of Gondor. This was especially true when he convinced the [[Dead Men of Dunharrow]] to fulfill their oath to support Gondor in its time of need.<br /> <br /> == Etymology ==<br /> Andúril means "Flame of the [[West]]" in [[Quenya]] (from ''[[andúnë]]'' = "west" and ''[[rildë]]'' = "brilliance").<br /> <br /> == Portrayal in Adaptations ==<br /> In [[Peter Jackson's The Lord of the Rings]], Andúril is not forged from the shards of Narsil until [[Peter Jackson's The Return of the King|The Return of the King]]. In that movie, [[Elrond]] had the sword reforged only after [[Arwen]]'s pleading. He then took the sword to Aragorn in the camp of the [[Rohirrim]] at [[Dunharrow]]. Aragorn's acceptance of the sword, along with his decision at that time to take the [[Paths of the Dead]], showed his willingness to accept his destiny of becoming king.<br /> <br /> {{weapons}}<br /> <br /> [[Category:Swords]]</div>

Lord Aragorn1414 https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=And%C3%BAril&diff=26813 Andúril 2006-07-17T19:37:54Z

<p>Lord Aragorn1414: </p> <hr /> <div>{{Pronounce|Anduril.mp3|Ardamir}}<br /> [[Image:Noble Collection - Andúril.jpg|thumb|200px|left|''Andúril'' as conceived by [[The Noble Collection]]]]<br /> <br /> {{quote|...Renewed shall be blade that was broken, the crownless again shall be [[Aragorn|king]].|[[Boromir]]'s dream}}<br /> <br /> '''Andúril''' was name for the sword '''[[Narsil]]''' after its reforging in [[Third Age]] 3019 for [[Aragorn II|Aragorn]], the heir of [[Isildur]]. Narsil was a symbol of the kingship of [[Arnor]] and [[Gondor]], but was broken at the end of the [[Last Alliance of Elves and Men]] at the end of the [[Second Age]]. Aragorn, as the Chieftain of the [[Rangers of the North]], and therefore the descendant of the Kings of Arnor and Gondor, carried the fragments of the ancient sword. After three thousand years, Narsil was finally reforged as Andúril when Aragorn set out to reclaim his kingdom.<br /> <br /> Aragorn carried the sword during his journey south as part of the [[Fellowship of the Ring]], and it featured prominently at several points in the story, where it was sometimes referred to as the "Sword That Was Broken" or the "Sword Reforged".<br /> <br /> [[Boromir son of Denethor II|Boromir]], son of the [[Steward of Gondor]], travelled to [[Rivendell]] for the [[Council of Elrond]] because of the prophetic dream of his brother [[Faramir son of Denethor II|Faramir]]. The dream told him to "seek for the Sword that was broken." Aragorn often used the sword to help establish his credentials as the heir to the throne of Gondor. This was especially true when he convinced the [[Dead Men of Dunharrow]] to fulfill their oath to support Gondor in its time of need.<br /> <br /> == Etymology ==<br /> Andúril means "Flame of the [[West]]" in [[Quenya]] (from ''[[andúnë]]'' = "west" and ''[[rildë]]'' = "brilliance").<br /> <br /> == Portrayal in Adaptations ==<br /> In [[Peter Jackson's The Lord of the Rings]], Andúril is not forged from the shards of Narsil until [[Peter Jackson's The Return of the King|The Return of the King]]. In that movie, [[Elrond]] had the sword reforged only after [[Arwen]]'s pleading. He then took the sword to Aragorn in the camp of the [[Rohirrim]] at [[Dunharrow]]. Aragorn's acceptance of the sword, along with his decision at that time to take the [[Paths of the Dead]], showed his willingness to accept his destiny of becoming king.<br /> <br /> {{weapons}}<br /> <br /> [[Category:Swords]]</div>

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