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Tolkien Estate

2008-05-06T15:12:45Z

Michael riber jorgensen:

The '''Tolkien Estate''' is the legal body which manages the copyrights of [[J. R. R. Tolkien]]'s works. It mainly holds the copyright over the literary texts. Executors of the estate include [[Christopher Tolkien]], his wife [[Baillie Tolkien]], and Christopher's nephew Michael Tolkien, Jr. Cathleen Blackburn of Manches & Co. has been the estate's solicitor for many years.

The film and merchandise rights for ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'' and ''[[The Hobbit]]'' were sold by J.R.R. Tolkien, and are currently owned by [[Tolkien Enterprises]], a company controlled by [[Saul Zaentz]].

==Contact==
<poem>
Cathleen Blackburn
Manches & Co.,
3 Worcester Street,
OXFORD,
United Kingdom.
OX1 2PZ
</poem>

==External links==
* [http://www.tolkienestate.com The Official Website of the JRR Tolkien Estate]

[[Category:Companies]]

User talk:Amroth/Screenplays/The Hobbit

2008-04-29T19:57:13Z

Michael riber jorgensen: /* Beorn */

==Concerning Legolas==

Just one comment/question. I know [[Peter Jackson]] ''will'' put in Legolas. Is there anything wrong with putting him in now in the context of [[Thranduil]]'s Halls and the [[Battle of Five Armies]], so long as his role doesn't contradict the books? --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 06:41, 23 May 2006 (EDT)

:I don't see any harm in that as I agree, Jackson will most likely wish for much of the cast to return. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 11:36, 23 May 2006 (EDT)

:Adding Legolas just to attract those fans of the LOTR movies who have read none of the books is absolutely ridiculous. --[[User:Michael riber jorgensen|Michael riber jorgensen]] 15:52, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

==Beren and Luthien screenplay==
I thought I'd better ask this here as I don't know where else to ask it. Would it be a good idea to start a [[Beren Erchamion|Beren]] and [[Lúthien]] screenplay? If so, could you respond to this question in a new thread on the forums? --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 13:02, 5 June 2006 (EDT)

:For those not aware: This question has been answered elsewhere, see [[The Lay of Leithian_screenplay]] for the screenplay --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 22:12, 12 June 2007 (EDT)

==Adult vs. Child-oriented==
One rather major issue is whether the screenplay will be geared towards children or towards adults. On one side, a darker, more adult theme would be similar to that of [[Peter Jackson's The Lord of the Rings]], the film would also be more likely to entertain a larger audience and thus profit more. However the book was written by [[J.R.R. Tolkien]] with children in mind and altering it to a darker style may be deviating too much from the original story and thus upsetting [[purists]]. What do you guys think? --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 22:12, 12 June 2007 (EDT)

:This is a big question. I favor a balanced approach, if you know what I mean. I'm fine with a darker prologue, and scenes of tension with Gandalf in Dol Guldur. I think, however, it might be nice to have the scenes in Bag End, for instance, being humorous and light-hearted, showing obviously Gandalf toying with Bilbo. You'll notice that the mood of The Hobbit grows darker as it goes along, seeming to mature as Bilbo does. From Bilbo's perspective (at first) the outside world is a bother, a nuisance, and yet dreadfully frightening. But we also see through Gandalf's eyes that it is full of conflict, evil and good. Their views begin to merge as the end is approached. That is my opinion, anyway. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 12:42, 13 June 2007 (EDT)

== Comments from Failadiel ==

Hi!

I was reading the Hobbit screenplay on this site, and i'm new here so i dont really know how to contact the one in charge of it... the thing is, you CANT take out the line Gandalf says to Bilbo after his Good morning. it shows he is relaxed and a philosopher, and he's trying to make Bilbo think. it's also a famous quote and a line that reminds us not to say something because it is the right thing to say but because we mean it. oh, and by the way, Orlando Bloom should appear in Mirkwood not because of his physical appearance, but because viewers are always happy to see a familiar face. it makes them feel more at home. and there are parts in the script that seemed too rushed, but that's just my opinion.

Warm regards,

Failadiel

== Jack Black for Bilbo ==

amirite?--[[User:Aule the Smith|Aule the Smith]] 10:13, 10 February 2008 (EST)

:Can I get a vomitbag? Bilbo is so obviously Martin Freeman ;) -- [[User:Ederchil|Ederchil]] 12:05, 10 February 2008 (EST)

== The Necromancer / Dol Guldur storyline ==

This screenplay begins with a prologue introducing Dol Guldur in an attempt to integrate the plot to the wider War of the Ring. The Lord of the Rings films successfully used a prologue to introduce the central story of the One Ring. But The Hobbit is the story of Bilbo's personal journey- from a quiet life in the Shire to becoming a brave adventurer. The Necromancer is not relevant to this core story and the Dol Guldur scenes would I think be best left to the second 'bridge' film (focussing on the rise of Sauron). The start of The Hobbit needs to introduce Bilbo's character, the heart of the story, as in this
[http://www.storyscape.net/hobbit_screenplay.html Hobbit Screenplay].

It would be possible to tell the story of Smaug attacking Erebor in a prologue, but there are advantages in telling this story at Bag End as we share in Bilbo learning the tale, and Thorin's narration develops his character's longing to recapture his long lost horde. --

[[User:burrahobbit|burrahobbit]] 12 March 2008

==Orson Bean==
As I'm watching the Rankin Bass version at the moment, I was thinking... how about a cameo for [[Orson Bean]]? Maybe at the end, as [[Holman Greenhand]]? -- [[User:Ederchil|Ederchil]] 11:58, 17 March 2008 (EDT)

==Beorn==
Surely there can be only one choice for Beorn: Robbie Coltrane. (No, I don't want him to be a Hagrid clone) --[[User:Michael riber jorgensen|Michael riber jorgensen]] 15:56, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

User talk:Amroth/Screenplays/The Hobbit

2008-04-29T19:56:05Z

Michael riber jorgensen:

==Concerning Legolas==

Just one comment/question. I know [[Peter Jackson]] ''will'' put in Legolas. Is there anything wrong with putting him in now in the context of [[Thranduil]]'s Halls and the [[Battle of Five Armies]], so long as his role doesn't contradict the books? --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 06:41, 23 May 2006 (EDT)

:I don't see any harm in that as I agree, Jackson will most likely wish for much of the cast to return. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 11:36, 23 May 2006 (EDT)

:Adding Legolas just to attract those fans of the LOTR movies who have read none of the books is absolutely ridiculous. --[[User:Michael riber jorgensen|Michael riber jorgensen]] 15:52, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

==Beren and Luthien screenplay==
I thought I'd better ask this here as I don't know where else to ask it. Would it be a good idea to start a [[Beren Erchamion|Beren]] and [[Lúthien]] screenplay? If so, could you respond to this question in a new thread on the forums? --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 13:02, 5 June 2006 (EDT)

:For those not aware: This question has been answered elsewhere, see [[The Lay of Leithian_screenplay]] for the screenplay --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 22:12, 12 June 2007 (EDT)

==Adult vs. Child-oriented==
One rather major issue is whether the screenplay will be geared towards children or towards adults. On one side, a darker, more adult theme would be similar to that of [[Peter Jackson's The Lord of the Rings]], the film would also be more likely to entertain a larger audience and thus profit more. However the book was written by [[J.R.R. Tolkien]] with children in mind and altering it to a darker style may be deviating too much from the original story and thus upsetting [[purists]]. What do you guys think? --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 22:12, 12 June 2007 (EDT)

:This is a big question. I favor a balanced approach, if you know what I mean. I'm fine with a darker prologue, and scenes of tension with Gandalf in Dol Guldur. I think, however, it might be nice to have the scenes in Bag End, for instance, being humorous and light-hearted, showing obviously Gandalf toying with Bilbo. You'll notice that the mood of The Hobbit grows darker as it goes along, seeming to mature as Bilbo does. From Bilbo's perspective (at first) the outside world is a bother, a nuisance, and yet dreadfully frightening. But we also see through Gandalf's eyes that it is full of conflict, evil and good. Their views begin to merge as the end is approached. That is my opinion, anyway. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 12:42, 13 June 2007 (EDT)

== Comments from Failadiel ==

Hi!

I was reading the Hobbit screenplay on this site, and i'm new here so i dont really know how to contact the one in charge of it... the thing is, you CANT take out the line Gandalf says to Bilbo after his Good morning. it shows he is relaxed and a philosopher, and he's trying to make Bilbo think. it's also a famous quote and a line that reminds us not to say something because it is the right thing to say but because we mean it. oh, and by the way, Orlando Bloom should appear in Mirkwood not because of his physical appearance, but because viewers are always happy to see a familiar face. it makes them feel more at home. and there are parts in the script that seemed too rushed, but that's just my opinion.

Warm regards,

Failadiel

== Jack Black for Bilbo ==

amirite?--[[User:Aule the Smith|Aule the Smith]] 10:13, 10 February 2008 (EST)

:Can I get a vomitbag? Bilbo is so obviously Martin Freeman ;) -- [[User:Ederchil|Ederchil]] 12:05, 10 February 2008 (EST)

== The Necromancer / Dol Guldur storyline ==

This screenplay begins with a prologue introducing Dol Guldur in an attempt to integrate the plot to the wider War of the Ring. The Lord of the Rings films successfully used a prologue to introduce the central story of the One Ring. But The Hobbit is the story of Bilbo's personal journey- from a quiet life in the Shire to becoming a brave adventurer. The Necromancer is not relevant to this core story and the Dol Guldur scenes would I think be best left to the second 'bridge' film (focussing on the rise of Sauron). The start of The Hobbit needs to introduce Bilbo's character, the heart of the story, as in this
[http://www.storyscape.net/hobbit_screenplay.html Hobbit Screenplay].

It would be possible to tell the story of Smaug attacking Erebor in a prologue, but there are advantages in telling this story at Bag End as we share in Bilbo learning the tale, and Thorin's narration develops his character's longing to recapture his long lost horde. --

[[User:burrahobbit|burrahobbit]] 12 March 2008

==Orson Bean==
As I'm watching the Rankin Bass version at the moment, I was thinking... how about a cameo for [[Orson Bean]]? Maybe at the end, as [[Holman Greenhand]]? -- [[User:Ederchil|Ederchil]] 11:58, 17 March 2008 (EDT)

==Beorn==
Surely there can be only one choice for Beorn: Robbie Coltrane. Right? --[[User:Michael riber jorgensen|Michael riber jorgensen]] 15:56, 29 April 2008 (EDT)

User talk:Amroth/Screenplays/The Hobbit

2008-04-29T19:52:30Z

Michael riber jorgensen: /* Concerning Legolas */

Third Age 2883

2008-04-29T19:40:59Z

Michael riber jorgensen:

* Birth of [[Lalia Clayhanger]]

Adam Tolkien

2008-04-22T06:14:21Z

Michael riber jorgensen:

[[Image:Adam Tolkien.jpg|thumb]]
'''Adam Tolkien''' (born 1969) is the son of [[Christopher Tolkien]], brother to [[Rachel Tolkien]] and half brother to [[Simon Tolkien]]. He is a lighting engineer by profession, but has also translated into French several works of his grandfather: [[Pictures by J.R.R. Tolkien]] (1994), [[The Book of Lost Tales 1]] (1995), and [[The Book of Lost Tales 2]] (1998). In the preface to [[The Children of Húrin]] he is also credited as having helped his father edit his grandfather's notes.

'''See also:''' 
* [http://tolkiennews.net/article.php?story=20061009005635472 Interview with Adam Tolkien]
* [http://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.html/?docId=1000074611 "On The Children of Húrin" By Adam Tolkien ]
[[Category:Tolkien Family]]

Lalia Clayhanger

2008-04-22T06:05:03Z

Michael riber jorgensen:

{{hobbit
| image=
| name=Lalia Clayhanger
| othernames=''Lalia the Great Lalia the Fat''
| birth=[[Shire Reckoning|S.R.]] 1283
| death= [[Third Age 3002|S.R. 1402]]
| parentage=
| location=[[Great Smials]]
| gender=Female
| hair= |}}

'''Lalia Clayhanger''' was born in [[Shire Reckoning|S.R.]] 1283 and was the wife of [[Thain]] [[Fortinbras Took II]] who she married at the age of 31 in S.R. 1314.

==Life==
Lalia and Fortinbras had one son, [[Ferumbras Took III|Ferumbras]], who was born in 1316 before Fortinbras became Thain in [[Third Age 2939|1339]]. In accordance with [[Took Family|Took]] family tradition, Lalia continued to be the head of the family once her husband Fortinbras died in [[Third Age 2980|1380]]. Ferumbras was unable to find a wife and it is alleged that this was because he could not find someone willing to share a house with Lalia, and Ferumbras was only accorded a small bachelor pad in Great Smials until after Lalia's death.

Lalia long outlived her husband and ruled the [[Tooks]] of [[Great Smials]] for a further twenty-two becoming a great and memorable matriarch of the family known as ''Lalia the Great'' (or least courteously by those with less love for her, ''Lalia the Fat''). She was famous for her tremendous girth, which was rumoured to have prevented her attendance of [[Bilbo]]'s famous [[Birthday Party]] in [[Third Age 3001|1401]].

==Death==
In her latter - and fattest - years it was her immobility rather than age which was the biggest problem for her so she went around in a wheelchair. In particular, she liked to be wheeled to the Great Door in the mornings so she could experience the fresh air.

It was in [[Third Age 3002|1402]] she died at the grand old age of 119 after her clumsy attendant Lalia's wheelchair run over the threshold which tipped Lalia down a flight of garden steps. It is rumoured that this attendant was [[Pippin]]'s sister [[Pearl Took]] as she was excluded from the celebrations of Fermumbras's accession, but the family tried to keep to themselves.
==Genealogy==
{{familytree/start}}
{{familytree | | | | | OLD | OLD=[[Gerontius|The Old Took]] ''1190 - 1320''}}
{{familytree | | | | | |!| |}}
{{familytree | | | | | ISU | ISU=[[Isumbras Took IV|Isumbras IV]] ''1238 - 1339''}}
{{familytree | | | | | |!| |}}
{{familytree | LAL |y| FOR | LAL='''LALIA CLAYHANGER''' ''1283 - 1402''|FOR=[[Fortinbras Took II|Fortinbras II]] ''1278 - 1380''}}
{{familytree | | | |!| | | |}}
{{familytree | | | FER | | | FER=[[Ferumbras Took III|Ferumbras III]] ''1316 - 1415''}}
{{familytree/end}}
==Etymology==
"Lalia" is a Latin word meaning "speak" and is probably a jest at the nature of her character.
[[Category:Hobbits]]
[[Category:Took]]
[[Category:Clayhanger]]
[[de:Lalia Tuk]]
[[fi:Lalia Savirinne]]

Ármann Jakobsson

2008-04-21T15:14:55Z

Michael riber jorgensen:

{{author infobox
| image=[[Image:Armann Jakobsson.jpg]]
| name=Ármann Jakobsson
| born=July 18, [[1970]]
| died=
| education=University of Iceland
| occupation=Literary scholar, philologist
| location=Reykjavík, Iceland
| website=http://armannjakobsson.blogspot.com/
|}}
'''Ármann Jakobsson''' (born July 18, 1970), Ph.D., is Lecturer in Medieval Studies at the University of Iceland. He has written two books
on the image of kings in the middle ages and how they are represented in Icelandic medieval literature. He has
delivered lectures on the connections between Tolkien’s work and Icelandic medieval writing, and researched
the origin and nature of elves, dwarfs and Ents in Norse and Germanic mythology.

==Books==
* [[Tolkien and the Ring]] (''Tolkien og hringurinn'') (Reykjavík: Forlagið, 2003)

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