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User talk:Hyarion

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== General disclaimer ==

Hiya. I was working on uploading the FotR-pics when I suddenly thought, don't we need a general disclaimer to put underneath images? "The name(s) <nowiki>{{1}}, {{2}} and {{3}}</nowiki> and the description of their appearance are based on the works of J.R.R. Tolkien, and the copyright to these names and descriptions is owned by [[Middle-earth Enterprises|Tolkien Enterprises]]. TG does neither have nor claim ownership blah blah blah...", you know the works. Since our current fair-use policy could use some work (display on userpages, for example, is not fair use). -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 17:31, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

:Agreed, although I think underneath the images should state fair use, while our Disclaimer link at the bottom of all pages should mention the general copyright message. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 04:57, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

::That link in the bottom leads to a page that does not exist yet, [[Tolkien Gateway:General disclaimer]]. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 08:31, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

== Me again - image galleries ==

Don't know when the next meeting will be, so I thought I'd post it here before I forget it. In the case of some categories - [[:Category:Images of Gothmog]] most notoriously - there's still some problem over disambiguation. Maybe all image categories should be renamed with the full pagename of the subject? Thus, [[:Category:Images of Boromir (Son of Denethor II)]] and such, rather than "Images of Boromir" - it is also handy when we would have a special box pointing to images - such as Wikipedia's interlinking with Wiktionary and Wikiquote, or Wookieepedia with quotes and images. I already did on of those for artist's galleries, [[:Template:Viewgal]]. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 14:55, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

:Sorry for the late response, I've been meaning to reply for some time; school/work has gotten the best of me lately, but not for long! I fully agree regarding the full page name for Image categories. The Images box is a great idea, I don't know why I hadn't done that already, it'll help the articles look a little nicer as well. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 04:57, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

== UsercrEation ==
I'm looking at the User Creation log at the moment. Do we have some sort of bot operating? All those twelve lettered users are just too many to be a coincidence. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 09:18, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

:Yup. Gonna block them all infinitely. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 15:45, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

==Ithilien + search==
Now that I'm on your talk anyway, any chance of the glitch in the search system of Ithilien (top links don't work) being fixed soon? I very much feel like switching back to cavendish. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 08:31, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

:Too late for soon; but I did manage to fix it. The search box has also moved temporarily to the top right. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 23:52, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

== The Hobbit ==
I really hope to see this on the big screen i have waited now for so many years. Your fathers works are beyond compare and and everyone should be able to enjoy his works through reading and through Television and films ... i`d like my children to grow up reading his works as i have . Thanks {{unsigned|Tom}}

:Uhm... Hyar, I didn't know you looked like CT? -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 22:20, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

==Multiple usernames==
Now that we can see the user creation log, it's also visible to see people who make multiple accounts. What do we do with those?

And on another note, isn't it time to archive 2008? -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 22:35, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

:I suppose we should have some formal policy on multiple accounts. I should be able to change someone's username if they wish to change their name, so there really isn't much reason for someone to create two. I'd imagine the main perpetrators are bots in which case we can just ban their IP address if they do it continuously. As long as the user isn't switching back and forth between the accounts or creating them excessively there's probably not much harm.

:I think I was contemplating which year to archive the discussions which spanned multiple years. I went ahead and made a decision, although now I kind of miss my lengthy talk page.

:Thank you for stepping up these last few months. Two jobs and school don't mix well with the wiki, but my life should be down to no school and one job shortly so I'll be able to get back into the swing of things. Keep up the great work! --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 00:11, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

== Arda.jpg ==

[[Image:Arda.jpg|200px]]

Could you please tell me where (in which book) can I find the original map?
--[[Special:Contributions/201.253.244.46|201.253.244.46]] 19:37, 23 February 2009 (UTC) Buenos Aires, Argentina.

:It's a fanon map. Not correct legendarium-wise. I favour deletion, even. But where did it come from? It's been circling the net for some time, I don't think it came from a book. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 19:40, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

::Ohh ok, thanks very much

:::To me, it looks like it has been created by a fan, based on the maps by Karen Wynn Fonstad's [[The Atlas of Middle-earth]].--{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 17:20, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

==Meetings==
Dear, Hyarion,

i was looking at the website and i noticed that there are meedings held on this sight. the last meeding was novemember 26th of 2008 and it was cancled and on that page it did not come up and say when the next meeding is going to happen. also i have another question when you want to enter another articail in the forums how do you do that? and is the chat area down is it being worked on. best of luck in life.{{unsigned|Elfhorse}}

==Backups==
This one comes partly from last night's outage, and partly from what happened to the [http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Main_Page TFWiki] recently (a crash and a major - one year - loss of work): If TG would crash, what's the situation on the backups? Would we have to search for Google caches, or is there some backup system? -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 08:22, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

:Right now the database is backed up weekly and we save a couple months worth of backups but I'm planning on doing nightly remote dumps, as even a week is a lot of lost work. The server hasn't been as reliable as it used to, I think we'll be migrating to a new host within the next year or two so we can improve uptime. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 00:38, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

== Next Meeting ==

It is planned that we hold our next meeting on the [[Tolkien Gateway:Meetings/5 April 2009|5th of April 2009]], please inform us if you can attend [[Tolkien Gateway talk:Meetings/5 April 2009|here]].--{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 18:42, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

=="Retrieved From"==
Anyway we can get rid of that line that suddenly appeared everywhere? -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 08:34, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

:Never mind, it's gone. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 10:28, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

==Next Meeting==

Sorry to clutter up your talk page, but just informing you about the next meeting. It is planned that we hold our next meeting on '''Monday''' the [[Tolkien Gateway:Meetings/13 April 2009|13th of April 2009]], please inform us if you can attend [[Tolkien Gateway talk:Meetings/13 April 2009|here]]. Remember that it's on Easter Monday, not Easter Sunday. Thanks!--{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 13:21, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

:Unfortunately I'll be at work but I'll try my best to check in. Keep up the great work! --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 00:16, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

== RE:Welcome ==

Thanks you, Hyarion. I want to make a question before returning to editing: How can I get rollback rights (if there are any)? I am already a rollbacker in another wiki, Halopedia (www.halo.wikia.com), and I would like to know how can I obtain these rights here. Thanks for your time,

<tt>[[User:Odysseas-spartan-53|Odysseas]]-[[User talk:Odysseas-spartan-53|Spartan]][[Special:Contributions/Odysseas-spartan-53|53]]</tt> 11:13, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

:Hi Odysseas, sorry for the delay; right now we aren't distibuting roll back rights, but keep up the great work and we'll get them to you eventually. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 03:07, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

== FA ==

See [[Forum:Featured article icon]].

Can we get [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ImageMap Extension: ImageMap] or something like it? -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 16:37, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

:Yea, looks easy enough to install. I should have it done this weekend. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 01:57, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

== Merge ==

So what happened with the disscussions about the merging of the One Wiki to Rule Them All and Tolkien Gateway? Did it not work, or was there some issue? Was it forgotton? ~[http://lotr.wikia.com/User:Arvan_Swordwielder Arvan Swordwielder]

Hi Arvan, most of the editors migrated here but Wikia wished to keep their version online. If I can help with anything else just let me know. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 04:34, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

== Thumbnails ==

Hi. Can you please check out [[Historical Atlas]] and tell me what is wrong with thumbnail generation? It could evolve into a great article. Thanks [[User:Sage|Sage]] 11:23, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

:As far as I can tell, it's images in general that's to blame here. There's something wrong with uploading since the last update. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 12:28, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

===Sitenotice===
Related to the above, I've tried to put up [[:MediaWiki:Sitenotice|sitenotice]] to tell editors not to upload for the time being, but apparently you haven't activated it yet. Can you, please? also for future use it could be handy. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 18:14, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

== Saruman's ring ==

Hi, I was reading Saruman's article and it's good but there is something I would like to ask. In the "Chief of the White Council" you have stated that Saruman HAD MADE a ring of power by using the knowledge of the noldor of former Eregion to enchant he's speaking voice. I would like to know WHERE and HOW have you came up with this knowledge because i have read a lot about middle earth and i have never found that Tolkien would have stated that Saruman had knowledge about making a ring of power or actualy made one. Also Where could he have made it? Orthanc or Isengard hadn't great forges before orcs came there and i doubt that forge any made by orc would be hot enough to make a ring of power.
Aromez

13:12

27.11.2009

== Google Maps for Arda ==

Hey, I have finished the [[User:Eldarion_Telcontar/Google_Maps_for_Arda|Google Maps for Arda extension]], we talked about [[Tolkien_Gateway_talk:To-do#map_engine_for_middle-earth|here]]. KingAragorn has tested it on a MediaWiki server he set up and after resolving one error it works well. Now it would be great if you could install the extension on our server. You can find the installation instructions [[User:Eldarion Telcontar/Google Maps for Arda/Installation|here]] (it takes under 10 minutes to install).

Best wishes, [[User:Eldarion Telcontar|Eldarion Telcontar]] 21:06, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

:I see you're back Hyarion, what are your thoughts on this?--{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 00:28, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

::Love it, let me see if I can get it added tonight. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 04:25, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

:::Hm, do either of you two have the Tiles.zip file handy? It looks like the rapidshare link expired. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 05:20, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

::::I have uploaded the file again. You can download it [http://rapidshare.de/files/48887909/Tiles.zip.html here]. Merry Christmas!! -- [[User:Eldarion Telcontar|Eldarion Telcontar]] 15:23, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

:::::You can see it working [http://arda.agilityhoster.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page here].--{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 21:08, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

:::::: I really like this. Is there another way to download it? [[User:Smeagol|Smeagol]] 07:06, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

::::::: What are you looking for? You can download it [http://rapidshare.de/files/48887909/Tiles.zip.html here] from Rapidshare. I could upload it to another hoster as well if you like. -- [[User:Eldarion Telcontar|Eldarion Telcontar]] 20:29, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

==Images==

When I've tried to insert pictures on various pages I have been unable to, and it said this message:

"Error creating thumbnail:

'''Warning:''' passthru() has been disabled for security reasons in '''/home/tolkieng/public_html/w/includes/GlobalFunctions.php''' on line '''2024'''"

could you explain what is going wrong? [[User:LotRfan01|LotRfan01]] 20:36, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

:It's a glitch since the last update. Hyar hasn't been around lately, but he's the one that can solve this, I'll see if I can email him tomorrow. For now, the best advice is to wait until it's been fixed, or, if it's really necessary, upload pics of about 250px wide. See also [[Forum:Image problems|here]]-- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 21:43, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

::Sorry for taking so long to get this fixed; it should be working now. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 05:01, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

== Chat problems? ==

The hyarion.gotdns.com subdomain seems to be out of order, and as a result none of the java entrances to the chat can be accessed. At least one other person has been asking about this for some time. Would be nice if you could find the time to try and iron out what's wrong. -- [[User:Mithrennaith|Mithrennaith]] 23:27, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

:Hi Mithrennaith, you bet, I'll see if I can get those Java clients up by the weekend. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 05:02, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

::Hi Hyarion, they still seem to be down - I haven’t been able to get any response out of them since my previous mention. — [[User:Mithrennaith|Mithrennaith]] 22:23, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

== 500 Internal Server Error ==

I keep experiencing this with greater frequency. I know it's common on large family-tress, but I've experienced this on smaller ones, on pages without family-trees and Recent Changes (I get this a lot on Recent Changes). I don't know what's going on there, but I thought I'd better let you know. I don't know if I'm the only person getting this. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 00:51, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
::I have it too, and it happens to me mostly when I save a page. [[User:Grond|Grond]] 07:48, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
:::I have experienced it too, just now, when looking up the history of [[Amrod]] and when calling [[User:Þelma]]. — [[User:Mithrennaith|Mithrennaith]] 06:30, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

::::Me too, still seems like a common problem. --[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 17:40, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

:::::Still happens to me over the last few days regularly. — [[User:Mithrennaith|Mithrennaith]] 22:23, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

::::::This shouldn't happen anymore, let me know if the problem persists. Thanks. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 01:36, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

== My Bot ==

Hello Hyarion! Sorry to double-post on your talk page, but I was wondering whether for you could make [[User:Mithbot]] a bot? I promise I know what I'm doing (I'm using the [http://dotnetwikibot.sourceforge.net/ DotNetWikiBot Framework] which [[User:KingAragorn Bot]] uses) and would be fixing redirects, spelling errors, categorisations, that sort of thing. Thanks, --{{User:Mith/sig}} 00:11, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

:Done (a while ago, but replying for consistency). --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 01:37, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

== Forum inputbox down ==

Err ... while you’re at it, could you make [[:Forum:Council]] work again? Nobody can put up a new topic now (or you need to know exactly what needs doing and do a lot of work ‘manually’). — [[User:Mithrennaith|Mithrennaith]] 22:23, 10 June 2010 (UTC)

:Fixed. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 01:37, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

== server move hiccups ==

For some reason, all links are underlined since the server move. Any idea how to fix that? -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 16:45, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

:Is there a problem with [[MediaWiki:Common.css]]: I've noticed that the style wasn't being applied to inclusions of [[Template:Pronounce]] and [[Template:Seq-head]] as well as the anchor issue Ederchil's mentioned. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 17:37, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

== The new server ==

Just wanted to say that the increased speed of the new server is very much appreciated! Many thanks for your work! --[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 12:13, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

:Glad to hear it is noticeable! We do seem to be having some random but persistent issues with the web server locking up and needing to be restarted, so if anyone has experienced that yet, it's not just you. I'm looking into it. Luckily my configuration is to blame and not the server. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 04:54, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

::I guees you already know it, but when trying to upload images, it says: "Inernal error: The upload directory (public) is not writable by the webserver". --[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 17:28, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

:::Actually, that one I didn't know, thanks for the heads up. I'll get it fixed tonight. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 18:16, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

::::The [[Forum:Council|Forum]] also still seems to be broken, even worse than before ... — [[User:Mithrennaith|Mithrennaith]] 04:51, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

:::::Just a reminder of the image upload problem - still doesn't work. --[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 12:06, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

::::::This should be working now, extremely sorry this took so long. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 01:31, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

==Solving the image upload error==
Hyarion, if you got stuck, do you think this thread could help out? [http://www.mwusers.com/forums/showthread.php?10474-The-upload-directory-(public)-is-not-writable-by-the-webserver. MediawikiUsers (external link)] --[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 16:30, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

AFAIK, he's out of town right now. --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 17:46, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

== IMPORTANT - database syntax error ==

This text shows up several times (bit not always) when trying to reach an article on TG:

''A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was:
INSERT IGNORE INTO `objectcache` (keyname,value,exptime) VALUES ('tg_wiki:pcache:idhash:5 [FOLLOWED BY ca. +1000 UNREADABLE CHARACTERS]
from within function "MediaWikiBagOStuff::_doinsert". Database returned error "126: Incorrect key file for table './tg_wiki/objectcache.MYI'; try to repair it (localhost)".''

--[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 08:09, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

:I get it with categories, a lot. Another error message:

A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the software. The last attempted database query was:
DELETE FROM `objectcache` WHERE keyname='tg_wiki:pcache:idhash:27909-0!1!0!!en!2'
from within function "MediaWikiBagOStuff::_doquery". Database returned error "126: Incorrect key file for table './tg_wiki/objectcache.MYI'; try to repair it (localhost)".

:Which basically says the same thing except it doesn't include the gibberish. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 08:15, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

::Seems perhaps like we have to ''"run the update script"'' in order to ''"correct the database schema"'', which is done ''"from the command line, browse to the 'maintenance' directory and run the update.php script to check and update the schema."'' At least this is what the thread [http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/wikitech/170529 Mailing list archive:Mediawiki] tells me. But I'm not a tech guy ;-) --[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 08:28, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

:::This was resolved, it happens from time to time when a record gets corrupted. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 01:39, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

== Forum Problem ==

For over a month I have not been able to see forum topics. The page appears without any threads and only some coding for buttons, etc. that should be there. Am i the only one who sees this and whay hasn't it been fixed?--{{User:Breragor/sig}} 01:45, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

:See also [[User_talk:Ederchil#Editcount-Template_doesn.27t_work|here]]. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 06:20, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

::The forum's [[Special:RecentChangesLinked/Category:Council|recent changes page]] is quite handing for up with the it in the meantime. --[[User:Aule the Smith|Aule the Smith]] 08:54, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

:::How long do we expect this to be as such, becuase it's already been like a month? {{unsigned|Breragor}}

::::We don't know. TG has been experiencing a number of technical problems lately. Frankly, the forum not showing is the least of these problems. Aule the Smith has provided you with a handy link as a work around, you could also look at [[:Category:Council]]. To start a new thread: '''[http://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Forum:TITLE&action=edit&preload=Template:Counciltop New Thread]''' (Edit URL where is says ''TITLE)'' --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 00:01, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

:Err, are we sure Hyarion is aware of the ongoing problems with image uploading and extensions? The server is a lot smoother now (at least to me), but there doesn't seem to be any sign of them being re-enabled. {{User:Aule the Smith/sig}} 18:54, 23 August 2010 (UTC)

::I emailed Hyarion about it but the message bounced :S {{User:Aule the Smith/sig}} 17:16, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

:::Yes, a few of us have been sending emails to Hyarion, sadly to no avail. :( --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 17:55, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

::::Yea, sorry for anyone sending e-mails to hyarion at tolkiengateway.net, I haven't finished seting up the mail service on the new server so the e-mails will probably bounce back. In the mean time you can contact me via hyarion at gmail.com --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 01:51, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

== Server Details ==

Hi Hyarion, just a quick message (so I don't forget), is any of the information on this page accurate: [[Tolkien Gateway:Servers]]. Do you think that you could update it (or else I'm probably going to delete it). --{{User:Mith/sig}} 10:15, 28 August 2010 (UTC)

== Hyarion is back! ==

Hyarion, your re-appearance is greatly appreciated! Many thanks! --[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 01:38, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

:Indeed, let the images flow! {{User:Aule the Smith/sig}} 08:04, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

== SVG thumbnails ==

[[:File:J.R.R._Tolkien_-_Crown_of_Gondor.svg|Don't appear]] to work. {{User:Aule the Smith/sig}} 12:19, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

== Email ==

Hey like the site hope I can do something, just a FYI, I did not receive a conformation email for my account. I am still checking things on my end, thought I would mention it if you have a bug on your end. [[User:Mlpearc|'''Mlpearc''']] [[User_talk:Mlpearc|'''powwow''']] 19:02, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

:Hello there. Welcome aboard, always good to see new faces. I think I may know what the culprit is regarding your confirmation e-mail, looking into it now. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 19:34, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

::Thank you for your response. [[User:Mlpearc|'''Mlpearc''']] [[User_talk:Mlpearc|'''powwow''']] 19:54, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

::Just checking, I have not received anything yet. [[User:Mlpearc|'''Mlpearc''']] [[User_talk:Mlpearc|'''powwow''']] 15:41, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Mordor

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Mlpearc: /* Etymology */ linked to this page ?

{{kingdom
| image = [[Image:Ted Nasmith - Across Gorgoroth.jpg|300px]]
| name = Mordor
| meaning = The Black Land
| type = Dictatorship
| headofstate = [[Sauron]]
| executive =
| legislative =
| judicial =
| capital = [[Barad-dûr]]
| language = [[Black Speech]]
| location = East of [[Gondor]], South of [[Rhûn]]
| populous= [[Orcs]], [[Trolls]], [[Nurn]] slaves
| currency =
| religious =
| holiday =
| anthem =
| formed =
| established = c. [[Second Age 1000|S.A. 1000]]
| fragmented = [[Second Age 3441|S.A. 3441]]
| reorganized = [[Third Age 2943|T.A. 2943]]
| dissolved = [[Third Age 3019|T.A. 3019]]

}}
'''Mordor''' was the dwelling place of [[Sauron]], in the southeast of Middle-earth to the East of Anduin, the great river. [[Frodo Baggins|Frodo]] and [[Samwise Gamgee|Sam]] went there to destroy the [[One Ring]]. Mordor was unique because of the three enormous mountain ridges surrounding it, from the North, from the West and from the South, that protected this land from an unexpected invasion by any of the people living in those directions.

== Geography ==
Mordor was protected from three sides by mountain ranges, arranged roughly rectangularly: [[Ered Lithui]] in the north, [[Ephel Dúath]] in the west, and an unnamed (or possibly still called Ephel Dúath) range in the south. A narrow pass led through Ephel Dúath and the fortress of [[Minas Morgul]] (earlier [[Minas Ithil]]) was guarding that; an even more difficult pass was guarded by the giant spider [[Shelob]] and the fortress of [[Cirith Ungol]]. Another known fortress was [[Durthang]] in northern Ephel Dúath.

In the northwest corner of Mordor the deep valley of [[Udûn (valley)|Udûn]] was the only entrance for large armies, and that is where Sauron built the Black Gate of Mordor. In front of the [[Morannon]] lay the [[Dagorlad]] or the ''Battle Plain''. Sauron's main fortress [[Barad-dûr]] was at the foothills of [[Ered Lithui]]. To southwest of Barad-dûr lay the arid plateau of [[Gorgoroth]] and [[Mount Doom]]; to the east lay the plain of [[Lithlad]]. The land in the western parts of Mordor were largely infertile, producing only sparse [[Brambles of Mordor|brambles]].

The southern part of Mordor, [[Nurn]], was slighly more fertile, and moist enough to carry the inland [[sea of Núrnen]]. Nurn was made somewhat fertile because the ash blown from Mount Doom left its soil nutrient rich, thus allowing dry-land farming. Unfortunately, the inland sea of Núrn was salty, not freshwater.

To the west of Mordor was the narrow land of [[Ithilien]] with the city of [[Osgiliath]] and the great river [[Anduin]], to the northeast [[Rhûn]], and to the southeast, [[Khand]].

== Formation ==
Mordor was a relic of the devastating works of [[Morgoth]], apparently formed by massive volcanic eruptions. It was given the name Mordor already before Sauron settled there, because of its volcano [[Orodruin]] and its eruptions. Sauron however was the second to settle there, just after [[Shelob]].

== History ==

'''See also:''' [[Timeline]]

=== Early history ===

Sauron settled in Mordor 1,000 years after the end of the First Age, and it remained the pivot of his evil contemplations for the whole of the [[Second Age|Second]] and Third Ages of Middle-earth. In the north-western corner of this land stood Mount Doom or [[Orodruin]], where Sauron had forged the [[One Ring]]. Near Orodruin stood Sauron's stronghold [[Barad-dûr]]. After this time, Sauron was known as the [[Dark Lord|Dark Lord of Mordor]].

For two and a half thousand years, Sauron ruled Mordor uninterruptedly. Having wrought the Ring, it was from there that he launched the attack upon the Elves of [[Eregion]]. He was repelled by the Men of [[Númenor]]. He fought against the Men again, almost a thousand years later; that time, he was captured by the Númenóreans and brought to their island kingdom, eventually causing its destruction (see ''[[Akallabêth]]''). Immediately after [[Númenor]]'s destruction, Sauron returned to Mordor as a spirit and resumed his rule.

=== The Last Alliance and Third Age===

Sauron's rule was interrupted yet again when his efforts to overthrow the surviving Men and Elves failed, and they fought their way back to their foe's domain. After several years of siege, forces of the Last Alliance of Elves and Men came into Mordor. Sauron was defeated in a final battle on the slopes of Orodruin. For about a thousand years, Mordor was guarded by [[Gondor]] in order to prevent any evil forces from breaking out.

However Gondor had failed in the long run, and deprived of guard, Mordor began to fill with evil things again. [[Minas Ithil]] was conquered by the Nine [[Nazgûl|Ringwraiths]]; other fortifications that were supposed to defend Gondor from the menace inside Mordor were turned into a means of shielding Mordor. By the time Sauron returned into Mordor after his false defeat in [[Dol Guldur]] (in the events that took place at the time of [[Bilbo Baggins]]'s [[The Hobbit|quest]]), Mordor was protected too well to be captured by any military might that was available in Middle-earth at the end of the Third Age. In the north of Mordor during the War of the Ring were the great garrisons and forges of war, while surrounding the bitter inland Sea of Núrnen to the south lay the vast fields tended for the provision of the armies by hordes of slaves brought in from lands to the east and south.

=== War of the Ring ===

During the War of the Ring, Sauron gathered all his forces to Mordor. After the [[Battle of the Pelennor Fields]], a Host of the West went to the Black Gate. Sauron sent his army to destroy the Men of Gondor and Rohan, but then [[Frodo Baggins]] destroyed the One Ring and Mordor fell. The Dark Tower, the Black Gate and the Towers of Teeth collapsed to ruin. Mount Doom exploded. Both Sauron and his Ringwraiths were apparently destroyed.

After the ultimate defeat of Sauron, Mordor became mostly empty again as the [[Orcs]] inside it fled or were killed. Crippled by thousands of years of abuse and neglect, but capable of sustaining life, the land of Mordor was given to the defeated foes of Gondor as a consolation, as well as to the freed slaves of Nurn who were formerly forced to farm there to feed the armies of Mordor.

== Etymology ==
The term ''Mordor'' translates to "The Black Land" or "The Dark Land" in [[Sindarin]]. [[mor]] = "dark, black", [[dôr]] = "land" ([[The Silmarillion]], Appendix - Elements in Quenya and Sindarin Names). ''Mordor'' is also coincidentally [[Quenya]] for "shadows" (plural), though the direct calque of Sindarin ''Mordor'' was ''[[Morinórë]]'' or ''[[Morinor]]'', a name also used for the [[Dark Land]].

==Inspiration==
It is not uncommon for names in Tolkien's fiction to have relevant meanings in several languages, both those invented by Tolkien, and "real" ones, but this of course happens with any two languages.

*A proposed etymology is [[Old English]] ''morðor'', which means "mortal sin" and later "murder".
*''Mordor'' is also a name cited in some Nordic mythologies referring to a land where its citizens practice evil without knowing it, imposed on themselves by the society long created for that purpose.

Tolkien is reported to have identified Mordor with the volcano of [[Stromboli]] off Sicily.<ref>[[Clyde S Kilby]], [[Dick Plotz]] ([[1968]]), "Many Meetings with Tolkien: An Edited Transcript of Remarks at the December 1966 [[Mythopoeic Society|TSA Meeting]]", ''Niekas'' (Niekas Publications, New Hampshire, USA) (19): 39–40 Referred to at tolkienguide.com and by another publication of the Niekas editor. Referred to at [http://www.tolkienguide.com/modules/wordpress/?p=3 tolkienguide.com ] and by [http://efanzines.com/ERM/veh36.htm another publication of the Niekas editor].</ref>

==Portrayals==
In ''[[The Atlas of Middle-earth]]'', [[Karen Wynn Fonstad]] assumed that the lands of Mordor, [[Khand]], and [[Rhûn]] lay where the inland [[Sea of Helcar]] had been, and that the [[Sea of Rhûn]] and [[Sea of Núrnen]] were its remnants. The atlas was however published before ''[[The Peoples of Middle-earth]]'', where it turned out that the [[Sea of Rhûn]] and Mordor existed already in the First Age.

The close proximity of Mount Doom and Barad-dûr in [[The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy]] is non-canonical.

==See also==
* [[Sauron]]
* [[Barad-dûr]]
* [[Orodruin]]
* [[Black Gate]]

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