Talk:Eriador

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NativeSonKY: /* Recent work */

This article could really use some work. --[[User:Dwarf Lord|Dwarf Lord]] 00:30, 22 October 2006 (CDT)

== Boundaries ==

Further to Dwarf Lord's comment some time ago, I intend to work on this article, but can I just check something with other people.

{{quote|Eriador was of old the name of all the lands between the [[Misty Mountains]] and the [[Ered Luin|Blue]]; in the South it was bounded by the [[Greyflood]] and the [[Glanduin]] that flows into it above [[Tharbad]].|[[Appendix A]], Part I (iii) "Eriador, Arnor and the Heirs of Isildur"}}
By my reckoning, therefore, contrary to what the article states, the [[Enedwaith]] and the [[Dunlendings]] are ''not'' in Eriador. Does anyone agree/disagree? --{{User:Mith/sig}} 10:08, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

:I agree. We can't get a more specific source than that. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 11:00, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

==VT Ref==
I'll get you the etymology VT ref this afternoon, Mith. (I'm at a university computer now). -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 07:39, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
:Thanks Ederchil! Unfortunately I don't have any VTs (it's on my to-do list - I'll probably buy the lot when 50 comes out), but I knew there was a reference in 42 from [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Eriador Wikipedia's talk page] and the [http://www.elvish.org/VT/VT-index-en.pdf VT Index]. {{unsigned|Mith}}

::Okay. The VT one is complicated. It's a note (unnamed, dated 1949-53), quoted by Hostetter in a reply to a letter by Fredrink Ström from Uppsala. Ström muses on Eriador and the [[Lone-lands]] in ''The Hobbit'' being one and the same. It's a note dealing with -dor and the disappearance of -n-. On the linguistic timetable, it can be placed near the end of [[Noldorin]]. Part of the note reads:
::::"''eryā'' 'isolated, lonely', ''Eriador'' = 'wilderness'."

::The title of this section is "Letters to VT", page 4.

::Another etymology is found in PE 17:

::::"= Lonely Land. *''eryā'' (S ''eir'', ''air'')."

::This is identified by [[Christopher Gilson]] as a ballpoint addition. The reference would be
::[[J.R.R. Tolkien]], "Words, Phrases and Passages in ''The Lord of the Rings''" (edited by [[Christopher Gilson]]), published in [[Parma Eldalamberon]] 17 (July [[2007]]), p. 28.

::Okay, maybe not with the new referencing system, it's just a copy of a cite on [[Arnor]]. It's written in the same entry. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 11:23, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

:::Thanks! - I just needed a proper reference for that. There's quite a bit there to think about now. I have, myself, been toying with whether Lone-lands and Eriador are one and the same. Unfortunately not even my Annotated can help with that one - it's a very ambiguous quote, "''Now they had gone far into the Lone-lands, where there were no people left, no inns, and the roads grew steadily worse.''" ([[Roast Mutton]]) What's your thinking on it? Would be saying they ''are'' the same count as bias editing? --{{User:Mith/sig}} 12:00, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

::::Actually "our" (as in "Encyclopedia of Arda"'s) article on Lone-lands says yes. I certainly think so, but I don't think we should present it as fact. Similarly, Tolkien translated Rhudaur as "troll shaws" (also PE17), does that mean the Trollshaws ''are'' Rhudaur? -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 12:06, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

:::::(Slowly the EOA articles are getting weeded out.) Hmm, I take your point on that, I wouldn't personally consider all of Rhudaur as Trollshaws (to me the Trollshaws are a forest between the Hoarwell and the Loudwater. I think I'll follow your lead and do similar to what you've written on Rhudaur - at least it's consistent! --{{User:Mith/sig}} 12:51, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

== Pronunciation ==

[[Image:Eriador.mp3]]
I'd like to add this pronunciation to this article. [[User:Grond|Grond]] 15:20, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

:There's already a pronounce on the article, and I can't really hear the difference. But correct me if I'm wrong. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 15:50, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

::Ah, sorry, I looked over that. I found this file in the unused files. I guess the one I linked to can be deleted, unless [[User:Ardamir|Ardamir]] shows up and has his say.[[User:Grond|Grond]] 15:52, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

:::At some point [[User:Ardamir|Ardamir]] re-uploaded some of the files. I stuck with the "2" version because I assume it's more up-to-date; I don't think it needs changing. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 18:03, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

== Geography ==

[[wikipedia:Eriador|Wikipedia's article]] says, "Eriador extended for some 600 miles north-south and 700 miles west-east." I've used three different copies of the map, and I reckon:
* East-West: 665-680 miles (as reckoned in a straight line just above Rivendell, as the widest point, I reckon);
* North-South: 685-700 miles (as reckoned from the bottom of Minhiriath to the the upper-most edge of the hills to the west of the Mountains of Angmar - in line with the the northernmost source of the Lune);
* Northeast-southwest: 730-745 miles (from around Mount Gundabad to the bottom of Eryn Vorn);
* Northwest-southeast: 740-755 miles (from the corner of the Blue Mountains at the same lattitude as Himring to the source of the Glanduin).

See [http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/3633/eriador.png this image] (Imageshack has made it grainy). Can anyone corroborate these figures? --{{User:Mith/sig}} 13:32, 9 December 2010 (UTC)

==Recent work==

Excellent job, Mith! This article will have my vote for a new Featured Article! --[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 23:33, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

:Thanks! --{{User:Mith/sig}} 18:39, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

::You're welcome! :P --{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 19:34, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

In the Geography section it says, "Eriador was a large, inhabited '''temperature''' region" - should that word be "temperate"? Feel free to delete this if it does not apply. [[User:NativeSonKY|NativeSonKY]] 02:48, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

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