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<p>Pallando: /* Fourth Age */ removing errant comma</p> <hr /> <div>{{sources}}<br /> {{race<br /> |image=[[File:Simon Schmidt - A bunch of dwarves.jpg|250px]]<br /> |name= Dwarves<br /> |dominions= [[Lonely Mountain|Erebor]], [[Khazad-dûm]], [[Belegost]], [[Nogrod]], [[Iron Hills]], [[Orocarni]], [[Glittering Caves]], [[Grey Mountains]], Northern [[Misty Mountains]], [[Blue Mountains]]<br /> |languages= [[Khuzdul]] ([[Dwarvish]]), [[Iglishmêk]] (sign language)<br /> |height= 4 to 5 feet<br /> |length= <br /> |skincolor= Probably white<br /> |haircolor= Red, white, grey, blonde, brown, black<br /> |distinctions= Short in stature, beards<br /> |lifespan= c. 195 &lt;ref name=&quot;LOTRProjectStats&quot;&gt;{{webcite|author=Emil Johansson|articleurl=http://lotrproject.com/statistics.php|articlename=Lord of the Rings in Statistics|website=[http://lotrproject.com/ Lord of the Rings Project]|accessed=09-September-2012}}&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> |members= [[Durin|Durin I]], [[Gimli]], [[Thorin|Thorin II Oakenshield]]<br /> }}<br /> {{quote|Since they were to come in the days of the power of [[Morgoth|Melkor]], [[Aulë]] made the dwarves strong to endure. Therefor they are stone-hard, stubborn, fast in friendship and in enmity, and they suffer toil and hunger and hurt of body more hardily than all other speaking peoples; and they live long, far beyond the span of Men, yet not forever.|[[The Silmarillion]], &quot;[[Of Aulë and Yavanna]]&quot;}}<br /> The '''Dwarves''', or '''''[[Khazâd]]''''' in their own tongue, were beings of short stature, often friendly with [[Hobbits]] although long suspicious of [[Elves]]. They were typically blacksmiths and stoneworkers by profession, unrivaled in some of their arts even by the Elves.<br /> <br /> While there were several tribes (Houses) of the Dwarves, the most prominent had been that of the [[Longbeards]].<br /> ==History==<br /> ===Origin===<br /> Unlike Elves and [[Men]], the Dwarves are not counted among the [[Children of Ilúvatar]]. Their creator was [[Aulë#Names and etymology|Mahal]], known as [[Aulë]] the Smith. Aulë created the Seven [[Fathers of the Dwarves]] somewhere in [[Middle-earth]], from whom all other Dwarves are descended. Aulë though, did not have the divine power to grant independent life to any creation; Aulë repented and confessed to [[Ilúvatar]] and promised to keep them; the voice of Ilúvatar though spoke to Aulë and agreed to grant them true life, and include them in His plan for [[Arda]]. Ilúvatar granted the Dwarves life, and therefore they are known as the Adopted Children of Ilúvatar and they were to awake after the [[Awakening of the Elves]].<br /> <br /> [[File:BFME2 - Dwarf 4.jpg|thumb||Dwarves as portrayed in [[The Battle for Middle-earth II]] game.]]<br /> The Seven Fathers awoke in their places in pairs with their wives, though [[Durin|Durin I]] had awoken alone. The seven different groups of Dwarf-folk originated in the locations where the Seven Fathers of the Dwarves first awoke<br /> <br /> The seven clans of the Dwarves were:<br /> <br /> * [[Longbeards]], Durin's Folk, originally from [[Gundabad]].<br /> * [[Firebeards]] and [[Broadbeams]], originally from [[Nogrod]] and [[Belegost]].<br /> * [[Ironfists]] and [[Stiffbeards]], originated in the [[Orocarni]] in the far East.<br /> * [[Blacklocks]] and [[Stonefoots]], originated in the Orocarni. <br /> <br /> Durin settled in the caves above [[Kheled-zâram]] which later became the greatest of Dwarf realms, [[Khazad-dûm]]. Therefore the halls of the Longbeards were not located near the halls of another Dwarf-kingdom. <br /> <br /> There was also an eighth group of Dwarves that was not a separate member from these seven kindreds, but composed of exiles from each: the [[Petty-dwarves]], who were hunted like animals to the point of extinction by the [[Elves]] in the First Age.<br /> <br /> ===First Age===<br /> The Dwarves for many years did not know any other folk, until Firebeards and Broadbeams had their first meeting with the [[Elves]] in [[Beleriand]] in the year [[Years of the Trees 1250|1250]] of the [[Years of the Trees]]. From that time on there was friendship, between the [[Sindar]] and the Dwarves, creating ring-mails, and many other works; the [[Dwarves of Nogrod]] were unmatched in Middle-earth in smithing. They delved the caves of [[Menegroth]], and adopted the [[cirth|writing]] of [[Daeron]]. It was the Dwarves who told the Sindar about [[Orcs]] attacking their Elven kin on the other side of the mountains and King [[Thingol]], began a build up of arms which the Dwarves made for him. <br /> <br /> Later on a great army of Orcs attacked the Elves, but in the [[First Battle of Beleriand]] were defeated and fled. Those that got away ran south right into an army of Dwarves who issued from Mount Dolmed and destroyed them. <br /> <br /> After the [[Return of the Noldor]], [[Finrod|Finrod Felagund]] desired to settle himself in the [[Caves of Narog]] and the Dwarves of the Ered Luin aided him and gave him the dwarven name ''Felak-gundu'' (''[[Felagund]]''). They eventually made for him the [[Nauglamír]].<br /> <br /> Things finally came to a head between the forces of Morgoth and the Elves, Men, and Dwarves in the [[Nirnaeth Arnoediad]]. The Dwarves fought for the [[Union of Maedhros]] <br /> <br /> In early [[Second Age]] the most many of the [[Firebeards]] and [[Broadbeams]] houses migrated to [[Khazad-dûm]] from their cities in the [[Blue Mountains]] which were ruined during the sinking of Beleriand.<br /> <br /> ===Second Age===<br /> The Dwarves did not participate in any important event of history. However their friendship with the Elves perhaps became more close than ever; the Dwarves of [[Moria]] maintained close connections to the [[Gwaith-i-Mírdain]] of [[Eregion]]; the [[Doors of Durin]] of Moria were built to facilitate the communication between the two people, and was constructed jointly by both races.<br /> <br /> When Eregion was sacked by [[Sauron]]'s forces, the Dwarves assailed them from behind however it was too late to stop him from conquering all [[Eriador]].&lt;ref name=&quot;UTGalad&quot;&gt;{{UT|Galadriel}}&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> [[File:Liz Danforth - Annatar and the Seven Rings.png|thumb|Annatar and the seven rings, by [[Liz Danforth]].]]<br /> When &quot;[[Annatar]]&quot; distributed the Rings, he gave [[seven Rings|seven]] to Dwarf Lords in order to subdue and control them. However it was not as he expected; Dwarves did not shift into the [[wraith-world]] and the Rings only augmented their greed and ability to create riches.<br /> <br /> At the end of the Age, some of the [[Dwarves of Moria]] joined the great host of the [[Last Alliance of Elves and Men]] and went to the [[War of the Last Alliance|great War]].<br /> <br /> ===Third Age===<br /> [[File:Angus McBride - Dwarves.jpg|thumb|left|''The Dwarves are upon You!'' by [[Angus McBride]]]]<br /> In [[Third Age 1980]], a [[Durin's Bane|Balrog]] awoke in the deeps of of the Misty Mountains and the Dwarves fled Khazad-dum, which from then on was called ''Moria'', which means &quot;Black pit&quot;. Most of Durin's folk left for the [[Grey Mountains]] in the North, while some followed the new king, [[Thráin I]], who went to [[Lonely Mountain|Erebor]] on the eaves of Mirkwood in [[Third Age 1999]] and started his kingdom there and later [[Ered Mithrin]].<br /> <br /> For more than 300 years the [[Dwarves of the Grey Mountains]] prospered until the Dragons in the far North started to gain strength. Some fled to the [[Iron Hills]], while most followed the the new king [[Thrór]] to Erebor to start a new [[Kingdom under the Mountain]]. There, they prospered for over 200 years until the dragon [[Smaug]] descended in [[Third Age 2770]]. The King decided to wander South along with a small company of family and followers, while most of the survivors went to the Iron Hills.<br /> <br /> Durin's folk settled in [[Dunland]], and in [[Third Age 2790]] King Thrór gave to his son [[Thráin II]] the Last of the Seven Rings of the Dwarves, and with [[Nár (companion of Thrór)|Nár]] he traveled North to Moria. Thrór was killed there by the [[Orcs|Goblin]] king [[Azog]]. Nár returned, and an enraged Thráin called all the Houses of Dwarves to war, to avenge his father. Thus began the [[War of Dwarves and Orcs]], in which the Dwarves destroyed all the Goblin strongholds in the [[Misty Mountains]] one by one, until they came to the [[East-gate]] of Moria, where the great [[Battle of Azanulbizar]] was fought. In this battle all the dwarven clans united, but the Goblins were still slowly winning, until at last help came - [[Náin (son of Grór)|Náin]] son of [[Grór]] came with fresh Dwarven forces from the [[Iron Hills]]. The Battle ended with the victory of Dwarves, but at great cost. Náin was slain by Azog, but his son [[Dáin Ironfoot|Dáin]] avenged him by killing Azog. Thráin wanted to enter Khazad-dûm, but the other Dwarven clans would not, and Dáin also warned him of the [[Durin's Bane]] that he felt when he came close to the Gate.<br /> <br /> Then Thráin came to the Blue Mountains and established his realm there but later he took a company and traveled to [[Lonely Mountain|Erebor]]. On their way, he was taken by the [[Necromancer]] to [[Dol Guldur]]. [[Gandalf]] met him and was given his [[Thrór's Map|map]] and key of Erebor before his death.<br /> <br /> Thorin met [[Gandalf]] who told him about his father Thráin, and Thorin gathered around him [[Thorin and Company|twelve dwarves]], mostly from his own line, and was joined by [[Gandalf]] and [[Bilbo Baggins]]. <br /> <br /> [[File:Angelo Montanini - Dori.jpg|thumb|[[Dori]] by [[Angelo Montanini]].]]<br /> [[Thorin]] brought twelve Dwarves to [[Bag End]] to recruit [[Bilbo Baggins|Bilbo]] for their treasure hunt. The Twelve Dwarves were:<br /> <br /> *[[Dori]], [[Nori]], and [[Ori]].<br /> *[[Bifur]], [[Bofur]], and [[Bombur]].<br /> *[[Óin]], and [[Glóin]].<br /> *[[Balin]], and [[Dwalin]].<br /> *[[Fíli]], and [[Kíli]].<br /> <br /> The [[Quest of Erebor]] ended with the death of [[Smaug]] at the hands of [[Bard]]. After a quarrel with the Men and Elves over the unguarded hoard, the Dwarves - assisted by his cousin [[Dáin Ironfoot|Dáin]] from the [[Iron Hills]] - united with the Men and Elves to fight the attacking Goblins and Wargs, in what was called the [[Battle of Five Armies]], where Thorin was killed.<br /> <br /> [[Gimli]] son of Glóin joined the [[Fellowship of the Ring]] and befriended [[Legolas]] during the [[War of the Ring]].<br /> <br /> ===Fourth Age===<br /> Not much is known about the Dwarves in the [[Fourth Age]]. After the [[War of the Ring]], [[Gimli]] brought a part of Durin's Folk from Erebor to the Glittering Caves and founded a colony there. Gimli was later permitted to go across the sea to Valinor with Legolas in the year {{FoA|120}}.<br /> <br /> [[Durin VII]] (the Last), retook Moria and brought Khazad-dum back to its original splendor, and that the Longbeards lived there till the &quot;world grew old and the days of Durin's race ended&quot;.<br /> With the downfall of Sauron, it can be assumed that the rest of the northern and central Misty Mountains as well as the Grey Mountains were reclaimed by Durin's folk.<br /> <br /> ==Nature==<br /> The Dwarves were created by Aulë to be strong, resistant to fire and durable to the evils of Morgoth. Thus they were secretive, proud and hardier than any other race, and never forgot a wrong or debt. They were generally less corruptible than Men. When Sauron attempted to enslave the Free Folk of Middle-earth using the [[Rings of Power]], the Elves completely resisted his power (indeed, his hand had never sullied the Three Rings), while the Nine Rings utterly corrupted the Men who bore them into the [[Ringwraiths]]. In contrast, the Dwarves were sturdy and resistant enough that Sauron was not able to dominate them using the Seven Rings. At most, the Seven Rings filled their wearers with an ultimately insatiable greed for gold, but they did not turn them into wraiths subservient to the Dark Lord, and he considered his plan to have failed. Sauron was furious at the Dwarves' resistance, spurring his drive to recapture the Seven Rings from them.<br /> <br /> Dwarves on average live to be 250 years of age. A 30 year old Dwarf is very much considered a young stripling, having not yet reached full adulthood. Thus it was considered very remarkable when the young [[Dain Ironfoot]] slew [[Azog]] the Orc chieftain of Moria, at only 32 years old. Once a Dwarf has reached maturity, he will stop aging almost entirely, remaining in prime physical condition, or perhaps middle-aged at the most, for over two centuries. However, when Dwarves reach 240 years old, they will begin to age very rapidly and their physical condition drastically worsen, essentially condensing the aging process that Men experience from 40 to 80 years of age into only ten years. It is not, however, unheard of for an elderly Dwarf to live beyond 250 years. Once again Dain Ironfoot was renowned for his health in this matter as he died in the [[Battle of Dale]] at the age of 252 years, still wielding his battle-axe and cleaving dozens of enemies during a rearguard action. Even Gandalf the Wizard was astonished that Dain was still healthy and hale enough to lead troops into battle at an age when most Dwarves would be lucky to be on their deathbed, much less engaged in close-quarters combat. <br /> <br /> Despite being 4.5-5 feet tall, they were known for their strength and endurance in battle, as well as their fury, particularly when avenging their fallen kin, and for being some of the greatest warriors in all of Middle-earth. They fought valiantly in many wars and battles over the Ages holding axes. In appearance their more distinctive characteristic was their beard which they have from the beginning of their lives, male and females alike; and which they shave only in shame.&lt;ref&gt;{{WJ|13}}&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> Also, as creations of Aulë, they were attracted to the substances of Arda and crafts. They<br /> mined and worked precious metals throughout the mountains of Middle-earth but were noted for their gold lust; they committed their share of rash and greedy acts. Among these are the slaying of Elu [[Thingol]] and the dispute over the [[Nauglamír]], which first brought suspicion and hate between Elves and Dwarves. An interesting trait of the Dwarven nature was that they would not be controlled or tamed by the [[Rings of Power]], nor shift into the [[Wraith-world]] like [[Men]] did. The [[Seven Rings]] only augmented their greed and power to generate wealth.&lt;ref&gt;{{S|Rings}}&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> The Dwarves although sometimes flourished, were marked for their waning numbers, suffering heavily in the wars. Dwarves married around the age of 100; few [[Dwarf-women]] were born and not all did wed and made up only about a third of the total population. They seldom walked abroad, and that only in great need. Dwarf-women are also so alike in voice and appearance, and garb when they must travel, that it is hard to tell them apart from Dwarf-men. It is because of the fewness of women that the Dwarf population increases slowly. Dwarves only take one husband or wife in their lifetime, and are jealous, as in all matters of their rights. The number of Dwarf-men that marry is actually less than a third, and not all the Dwarf-women take husbands either; some desire none, some want one they cannot have, and will have no other one. There are also many Dwarf-men that don't want a wife, because they are obsessed with their crafts.<br /> <br /> Women are seldom named in genealogies. They join their husbands' families. But if a son is seen to be 110 years than his father, this usually indicates an elder daughter. Thorin Oakenshield's sister [[Dís]] was named simply because of the gallant death of her sons Fíli and Kíli.<br /> <br /> The scarcity of women, their scarce mention and their identical looks with the males, coupled to their idiomatic culture, led many to mistakenly believe that Dwarves were born out of stone, and upon death they returned to that stone.&lt;ref&gt;{{App|A3}}&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> The Elves claimed that the Dwarves will have no future in the [[Arda Unmarred]], but the Dwarves hope that Mahal will gather them to the [[Halls of Mandos]] with the other Children of Ilúvatar. About their death, some other peoples believe that Dwarves melt into the stones they are made of.<br /> <br /> ==Language==<br /> The Dwarven language was created by Aulë, and was called [[Khuzdul]]. It was a strange language to Elves and Men, and few non-Dwarves learned it, also because they kept it secret. The Dwarves preferred to communicate with the languages of their neighbors, and did not reveal their names (the [[petty-dwarves]] were an exception). During the Third Age, the Longbeards used [[northern Mannish]] names in public.<br /> <br /> The Dwarves also had devised a secret gesture language to communicate between themselves in silence, the ''[[iglishmêk]]''<br /> <br /> However, one Dwarven phrase is well known: the ancient battle cry, going back to at least the First Age: &quot;''Baruk Khazâd! Khazâd ai-mênu!''&quot;, which means &quot;Axes of the Dwarves! The Dwarves are upon you!&quot;<br /> <br /> ==Names==<br /> The Dwarves called themselves the ''[[Khazâd]]'', the name Aulë gave them; this is adapted as ''[[Hadhod]]rim'' in [[Sindarin]], and ''[[Casar]]i'' in [[Quenya]]. Casari was the common word for Dwarves among the [[Noldor]], but the [[Sindar]] usually called them ''Naugrim'' or ''Nogothrim'', the Stunted People.<br /> <br /> ==Inspiration==<br /> Almost all the names of the dwarves of Middle-earth are taken from the Icelandic saga of Völuspá.<br /> <br /> According to Tolkien, the &quot;real 'historical'&quot; plural of ''dwarf'' is ''dwarrows'' or ''dwerrows''. He once referred to ''dwarves'' as &quot;a piece of private bad grammar&quot; (''[[The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien|Letters]]'', 17), but in Appendix F to ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'' he explains that if we still spoke of ''dwarves'' regularly, English might have retained a special plural for the word ''dwarf'' as with ''man''. The form ''dwarrow'' only appears in the word ''Dwarrowdelf'', a name for [[Moria]]. Tolkien used ''Dwarves'', instead, which corresponds with ''Elf'' and ''Elves'', making its meaning more apparent. The use of a different term also serves to set Tolkien's Dwarves apart from the similarly-named creatures in mythology and fairy-tales.<br /> <br /> The enduring popularity of Tolkien's books, especially ''[[The Hobbit]]'' and ''[[The Lord of the Rings]],'' has led to the popular use of the term ''dwarves'' to describe this race in fantasy literature. Before Tolkien, the term ''dwarfs'' (with a different spelling) was used, as seen in ''Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs''. In fact, the latter spelling was so common that the original editor of ''The Lord of the Rings'' &quot;corrected&quot; Tolkien's ''dwarves'' to ''dwarfs'' (''[[The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien]]'', 138).<br /> <br /> ==Other versions of the Legendarium==<br /> In the earliest versions of Tolkien's Middle-earth mythology (see: ''[[The History of Middle-earth]]'') the dwarves were evil beings created by [[Morgoth|Melkor]].<br /> <br /> ==See also==<br /> * [[:Category:Images of Dwarves|Images of Dwarves]]<br /> <br /> {{References}}<br /> *[[The Hobbit]]<br /> *[[The Lord of the Rings]]<br /> *[[The Silmarillion]]<br /> *[[The History of Middle-earth]] <br /> <br /> {{Dwarvenclans}}<br /> <br /> [[Category:Dwarves| ]]<br /> [[Category:Races]]<br /> [[Category:Characters in The Hobbit]]<br /> <br /> [[de:Zwerge]]<br /> [[fa:دورف]]<br /> [[fr:encyclo/peuples/nains/nains]]<br /> [[fi:Kääpiöt]]</div>

Pallando https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Dwarves&diff=217772 2012-10-28T14:57:58Z

<p>Pallando: /* Third Age */ spelling out &quot;3&quot;</p> <hr /> <div>{{sources}}<br /> {{race<br /> |image=[[File:Simon Schmidt - A bunch of dwarves.jpg|250px]]<br /> |name= Dwarves<br /> |dominions= [[Lonely Mountain|Erebor]], [[Khazad-dûm]], [[Belegost]], [[Nogrod]], [[Iron Hills]], [[Orocarni]], [[Glittering Caves]], [[Grey Mountains]], Northern [[Misty Mountains]], [[Blue Mountains]]<br /> |languages= [[Khuzdul]] ([[Dwarvish]]), [[Iglishmêk]] (sign language)<br /> |height= 4 to 5 feet<br /> |length= <br /> |skincolor= Probably white<br /> |haircolor= Red, white, grey, blonde, brown, black<br /> |distinctions= Short in stature, beards<br /> |lifespan= c. 195 &lt;ref name=&quot;LOTRProjectStats&quot;&gt;{{webcite|author=Emil Johansson|articleurl=http://lotrproject.com/statistics.php|articlename=Lord of the Rings in Statistics|website=[http://lotrproject.com/ Lord of the Rings Project]|accessed=09-September-2012}}&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> |members= [[Durin|Durin I]], [[Gimli]], [[Thorin|Thorin II Oakenshield]]<br /> }}<br /> {{quote|Since they were to come in the days of the power of [[Morgoth|Melkor]], [[Aulë]] made the dwarves strong to endure. Therefor they are stone-hard, stubborn, fast in friendship and in enmity, and they suffer toil and hunger and hurt of body more hardily than all other speaking peoples; and they live long, far beyond the span of Men, yet not forever.|[[The Silmarillion]], &quot;[[Of Aulë and Yavanna]]&quot;}}<br /> The '''Dwarves''', or '''''[[Khazâd]]''''' in their own tongue, were beings of short stature, often friendly with [[Hobbits]] although long suspicious of [[Elves]]. They were typically blacksmiths and stoneworkers by profession, unrivaled in some of their arts even by the Elves.<br /> <br /> While there were several tribes (Houses) of the Dwarves, the most prominent had been that of the [[Longbeards]].<br /> ==History==<br /> ===Origin===<br /> Unlike Elves and [[Men]], the Dwarves are not counted among the [[Children of Ilúvatar]]. Their creator was [[Aulë#Names and etymology|Mahal]], known as [[Aulë]] the Smith. Aulë created the Seven [[Fathers of the Dwarves]] somewhere in [[Middle-earth]], from whom all other Dwarves are descended. Aulë though, did not have the divine power to grant independent life to any creation; Aulë repented and confessed to [[Ilúvatar]] and promised to keep them; the voice of Ilúvatar though spoke to Aulë and agreed to grant them true life, and include them in His plan for [[Arda]]. Ilúvatar granted the Dwarves life, and therefore they are known as the Adopted Children of Ilúvatar and they were to awake after the [[Awakening of the Elves]].<br /> <br /> [[File:BFME2 - Dwarf 4.jpg|thumb||Dwarves as portrayed in [[The Battle for Middle-earth II]] game.]]<br /> The Seven Fathers awoke in their places in pairs with their wives, though [[Durin|Durin I]] had awoken alone. The seven different groups of Dwarf-folk originated in the locations where the Seven Fathers of the Dwarves first awoke<br /> <br /> The seven clans of the Dwarves were:<br /> <br /> * [[Longbeards]], Durin's Folk, originally from [[Gundabad]].<br /> * [[Firebeards]] and [[Broadbeams]], originally from [[Nogrod]] and [[Belegost]].<br /> * [[Ironfists]] and [[Stiffbeards]], originated in the [[Orocarni]] in the far East.<br /> * [[Blacklocks]] and [[Stonefoots]], originated in the Orocarni. <br /> <br /> Durin settled in the caves above [[Kheled-zâram]] which later became the greatest of Dwarf realms, [[Khazad-dûm]]. Therefore the halls of the Longbeards were not located near the halls of another Dwarf-kingdom. <br /> <br /> There was also an eighth group of Dwarves that was not a separate member from these seven kindreds, but composed of exiles from each: the [[Petty-dwarves]], who were hunted like animals to the point of extinction by the [[Elves]] in the First Age.<br /> <br /> ===First Age===<br /> The Dwarves for many years did not know any other folk, until Firebeards and Broadbeams had their first meeting with the [[Elves]] in [[Beleriand]] in the year [[Years of the Trees 1250|1250]] of the [[Years of the Trees]]. From that time on there was friendship, between the [[Sindar]] and the Dwarves, creating ring-mails, and many other works; the [[Dwarves of Nogrod]] were unmatched in Middle-earth in smithing. They delved the caves of [[Menegroth]], and adopted the [[cirth|writing]] of [[Daeron]]. It was the Dwarves who told the Sindar about [[Orcs]] attacking their Elven kin on the other side of the mountains and King [[Thingol]], began a build up of arms which the Dwarves made for him. <br /> <br /> Later on a great army of Orcs attacked the Elves, but in the [[First Battle of Beleriand]] were defeated and fled. Those that got away ran south right into an army of Dwarves who issued from Mount Dolmed and destroyed them. <br /> <br /> After the [[Return of the Noldor]], [[Finrod|Finrod Felagund]] desired to settle himself in the [[Caves of Narog]] and the Dwarves of the Ered Luin aided him and gave him the dwarven name ''Felak-gundu'' (''[[Felagund]]''). They eventually made for him the [[Nauglamír]].<br /> <br /> Things finally came to a head between the forces of Morgoth and the Elves, Men, and Dwarves in the [[Nirnaeth Arnoediad]]. The Dwarves fought for the [[Union of Maedhros]] <br /> <br /> In early [[Second Age]] the most many of the [[Firebeards]] and [[Broadbeams]] houses migrated to [[Khazad-dûm]] from their cities in the [[Blue Mountains]] which were ruined during the sinking of Beleriand.<br /> <br /> ===Second Age===<br /> The Dwarves did not participate in any important event of history. However their friendship with the Elves perhaps became more close than ever; the Dwarves of [[Moria]] maintained close connections to the [[Gwaith-i-Mírdain]] of [[Eregion]]; the [[Doors of Durin]] of Moria were built to facilitate the communication between the two people, and was constructed jointly by both races.<br /> <br /> When Eregion was sacked by [[Sauron]]'s forces, the Dwarves assailed them from behind however it was too late to stop him from conquering all [[Eriador]].&lt;ref name=&quot;UTGalad&quot;&gt;{{UT|Galadriel}}&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> [[File:Liz Danforth - Annatar and the Seven Rings.png|thumb|Annatar and the seven rings, by [[Liz Danforth]].]]<br /> When &quot;[[Annatar]]&quot; distributed the Rings, he gave [[seven Rings|seven]] to Dwarf Lords in order to subdue and control them. However it was not as he expected; Dwarves did not shift into the [[wraith-world]] and the Rings only augmented their greed and ability to create riches.<br /> <br /> At the end of the Age, some of the [[Dwarves of Moria]] joined the great host of the [[Last Alliance of Elves and Men]] and went to the [[War of the Last Alliance|great War]].<br /> <br /> ===Third Age===<br /> [[File:Angus McBride - Dwarves.jpg|thumb|left|''The Dwarves are upon You!'' by [[Angus McBride]]]]<br /> In [[Third Age 1980]], a [[Durin's Bane|Balrog]] awoke in the deeps of of the Misty Mountains and the Dwarves fled Khazad-dum, which from then on was called ''Moria'', which means &quot;Black pit&quot;. Most of Durin's folk left for the [[Grey Mountains]] in the North, while some followed the new king, [[Thráin I]], who went to [[Lonely Mountain|Erebor]] on the eaves of Mirkwood in [[Third Age 1999]] and started his kingdom there and later [[Ered Mithrin]].<br /> <br /> For more than 300 years the [[Dwarves of the Grey Mountains]] prospered until the Dragons in the far North started to gain strength. Some fled to the [[Iron Hills]], while most followed the the new king [[Thrór]] to Erebor to start a new [[Kingdom under the Mountain]]. There, they prospered for over 200 years until the dragon [[Smaug]] descended in [[Third Age 2770]]. The King decided to wander South along with a small company of family and followers, while most of the survivors went to the Iron Hills.<br /> <br /> Durin's folk settled in [[Dunland]], and in [[Third Age 2790]] King Thrór gave to his son [[Thráin II]] the Last of the Seven Rings of the Dwarves, and with [[Nár (companion of Thrór)|Nár]] he traveled North to Moria. Thrór was killed there by the [[Orcs|Goblin]] king [[Azog]]. Nár returned, and an enraged Thráin called all the Houses of Dwarves to war, to avenge his father. Thus began the [[War of Dwarves and Orcs]], in which the Dwarves destroyed all the Goblin strongholds in the [[Misty Mountains]] one by one, until they came to the [[East-gate]] of Moria, where the great [[Battle of Azanulbizar]] was fought. In this battle all the dwarven clans united, but the Goblins were still slowly winning, until at last help came - [[Náin (son of Grór)|Náin]] son of [[Grór]] came with fresh Dwarven forces from the [[Iron Hills]]. The Battle ended with the victory of Dwarves, but at great cost. Náin was slain by Azog, but his son [[Dáin Ironfoot|Dáin]] avenged him by killing Azog. Thráin wanted to enter Khazad-dûm, but the other Dwarven clans would not, and Dáin also warned him of the [[Durin's Bane]] that he felt when he came close to the Gate.<br /> <br /> Then Thráin came to the Blue Mountains and established his realm there but later he took a company and traveled to [[Lonely Mountain|Erebor]]. On their way, he was taken by the [[Necromancer]] to [[Dol Guldur]]. [[Gandalf]] met him and was given his [[Thrór's Map|map]] and key of Erebor before his death.<br /> <br /> Thorin met [[Gandalf]] who told him about his father Thráin, and Thorin gathered around him [[Thorin and Company|twelve dwarves]], mostly from his own line, and was joined by [[Gandalf]] and [[Bilbo Baggins]]. <br /> <br /> [[File:Angelo Montanini - Dori.jpg|thumb|[[Dori]] by [[Angelo Montanini]].]]<br /> [[Thorin]] brought twelve Dwarves to [[Bag End]] to recruit [[Bilbo Baggins|Bilbo]] for their treasure hunt. The Twelve Dwarves were:<br /> <br /> *[[Dori]], [[Nori]], and [[Ori]].<br /> *[[Bifur]], [[Bofur]], and [[Bombur]].<br /> *[[Óin]], and [[Glóin]].<br /> *[[Balin]], and [[Dwalin]].<br /> *[[Fíli]], and [[Kíli]].<br /> <br /> The [[Quest of Erebor]] ended with the death of [[Smaug]] at the hands of [[Bard]]. After a quarrel with the Men and Elves over the unguarded hoard, the Dwarves - assisted by his cousin [[Dáin Ironfoot|Dáin]] from the [[Iron Hills]] - united with the Men and Elves to fight the attacking Goblins and Wargs, in what was called the [[Battle of Five Armies]], where Thorin was killed.<br /> <br /> [[Gimli]] son of Glóin joined the [[Fellowship of the Ring]] and befriended [[Legolas]] during the [[War of the Ring]].<br /> <br /> ===Fourth Age===<br /> Not much is known about the Dwarves in the [[Fourth Age]]. After the [[War of the Ring]], [[Gimli]] brought a part of Durin's Folk from Erebor to the Glittering Caves and founded a colony there. Gimli, was later permitted to go across the sea to Valinor with Legolas in the year {{FoA|120}}.<br /> <br /> [[Durin VII]] (the Last), retook Moria and brought Khazad-dum back to its original splendor, and that the Longbeards lived there till the &quot;world grew old and the days of Durin's race ended&quot;.<br /> With the downfall of Sauron, it can be assumed that the rest of the northern and central Misty Mountains as well as the Grey Mountains were reclaimed by Durin's folk.<br /> <br /> ==Nature==<br /> The Dwarves were created by Aulë to be strong, resistant to fire and durable to the evils of Morgoth. Thus they were secretive, proud and hardier than any other race, and never forgot a wrong or debt. They were generally less corruptible than Men. When Sauron attempted to enslave the Free Folk of Middle-earth using the [[Rings of Power]], the Elves completely resisted his power (indeed, his hand had never sullied the Three Rings), while the Nine Rings utterly corrupted the Men who bore them into the [[Ringwraiths]]. In contrast, the Dwarves were sturdy and resistant enough that Sauron was not able to dominate them using the Seven Rings. At most, the Seven Rings filled their wearers with an ultimately insatiable greed for gold, but they did not turn them into wraiths subservient to the Dark Lord, and he considered his plan to have failed. Sauron was furious at the Dwarves' resistance, spurring his drive to recapture the Seven Rings from them.<br /> <br /> Dwarves on average live to be 250 years of age. A 30 year old Dwarf is very much considered a young stripling, having not yet reached full adulthood. Thus it was considered very remarkable when the young [[Dain Ironfoot]] slew [[Azog]] the Orc chieftain of Moria, at only 32 years old. Once a Dwarf has reached maturity, he will stop aging almost entirely, remaining in prime physical condition, or perhaps middle-aged at the most, for over two centuries. However, when Dwarves reach 240 years old, they will begin to age very rapidly and their physical condition drastically worsen, essentially condensing the aging process that Men experience from 40 to 80 years of age into only ten years. It is not, however, unheard of for an elderly Dwarf to live beyond 250 years. Once again Dain Ironfoot was renowned for his health in this matter as he died in the [[Battle of Dale]] at the age of 252 years, still wielding his battle-axe and cleaving dozens of enemies during a rearguard action. Even Gandalf the Wizard was astonished that Dain was still healthy and hale enough to lead troops into battle at an age when most Dwarves would be lucky to be on their deathbed, much less engaged in close-quarters combat. <br /> <br /> Despite being 4.5-5 feet tall, they were known for their strength and endurance in battle, as well as their fury, particularly when avenging their fallen kin, and for being some of the greatest warriors in all of Middle-earth. They fought valiantly in many wars and battles over the Ages holding axes. In appearance their more distinctive characteristic was their beard which they have from the beginning of their lives, male and females alike; and which they shave only in shame.&lt;ref&gt;{{WJ|13}}&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> Also, as creations of Aulë, they were attracted to the substances of Arda and crafts. They<br /> mined and worked precious metals throughout the mountains of Middle-earth but were noted for their gold lust; they committed their share of rash and greedy acts. Among these are the slaying of Elu [[Thingol]] and the dispute over the [[Nauglamír]], which first brought suspicion and hate between Elves and Dwarves. An interesting trait of the Dwarven nature was that they would not be controlled or tamed by the [[Rings of Power]], nor shift into the [[Wraith-world]] like [[Men]] did. The [[Seven Rings]] only augmented their greed and power to generate wealth.&lt;ref&gt;{{S|Rings}}&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> The Dwarves although sometimes flourished, were marked for their waning numbers, suffering heavily in the wars. Dwarves married around the age of 100; few [[Dwarf-women]] were born and not all did wed and made up only about a third of the total population. They seldom walked abroad, and that only in great need. Dwarf-women are also so alike in voice and appearance, and garb when they must travel, that it is hard to tell them apart from Dwarf-men. It is because of the fewness of women that the Dwarf population increases slowly. Dwarves only take one husband or wife in their lifetime, and are jealous, as in all matters of their rights. The number of Dwarf-men that marry is actually less than a third, and not all the Dwarf-women take husbands either; some desire none, some want one they cannot have, and will have no other one. There are also many Dwarf-men that don't want a wife, because they are obsessed with their crafts.<br /> <br /> Women are seldom named in genealogies. They join their husbands' families. But if a son is seen to be 110 years than his father, this usually indicates an elder daughter. Thorin Oakenshield's sister [[Dís]] was named simply because of the gallant death of her sons Fíli and Kíli.<br /> <br /> The scarcity of women, their scarce mention and their identical looks with the males, coupled to their idiomatic culture, led many to mistakenly believe that Dwarves were born out of stone, and upon death they returned to that stone.&lt;ref&gt;{{App|A3}}&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> The Elves claimed that the Dwarves will have no future in the [[Arda Unmarred]], but the Dwarves hope that Mahal will gather them to the [[Halls of Mandos]] with the other Children of Ilúvatar. About their death, some other peoples believe that Dwarves melt into the stones they are made of.<br /> <br /> ==Language==<br /> The Dwarven language was created by Aulë, and was called [[Khuzdul]]. It was a strange language to Elves and Men, and few non-Dwarves learned it, also because they kept it secret. The Dwarves preferred to communicate with the languages of their neighbors, and did not reveal their names (the [[petty-dwarves]] were an exception). During the Third Age, the Longbeards used [[northern Mannish]] names in public.<br /> <br /> The Dwarves also had devised a secret gesture language to communicate between themselves in silence, the ''[[iglishmêk]]''<br /> <br /> However, one Dwarven phrase is well known: the ancient battle cry, going back to at least the First Age: &quot;''Baruk Khazâd! Khazâd ai-mênu!''&quot;, which means &quot;Axes of the Dwarves! The Dwarves are upon you!&quot;<br /> <br /> ==Names==<br /> The Dwarves called themselves the ''[[Khazâd]]'', the name Aulë gave them; this is adapted as ''[[Hadhod]]rim'' in [[Sindarin]], and ''[[Casar]]i'' in [[Quenya]]. Casari was the common word for Dwarves among the [[Noldor]], but the [[Sindar]] usually called them ''Naugrim'' or ''Nogothrim'', the Stunted People.<br /> <br /> ==Inspiration==<br /> Almost all the names of the dwarves of Middle-earth are taken from the Icelandic saga of Völuspá.<br /> <br /> According to Tolkien, the &quot;real 'historical'&quot; plural of ''dwarf'' is ''dwarrows'' or ''dwerrows''. He once referred to ''dwarves'' as &quot;a piece of private bad grammar&quot; (''[[The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien|Letters]]'', 17), but in Appendix F to ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'' he explains that if we still spoke of ''dwarves'' regularly, English might have retained a special plural for the word ''dwarf'' as with ''man''. The form ''dwarrow'' only appears in the word ''Dwarrowdelf'', a name for [[Moria]]. Tolkien used ''Dwarves'', instead, which corresponds with ''Elf'' and ''Elves'', making its meaning more apparent. The use of a different term also serves to set Tolkien's Dwarves apart from the similarly-named creatures in mythology and fairy-tales.<br /> <br /> The enduring popularity of Tolkien's books, especially ''[[The Hobbit]]'' and ''[[The Lord of the Rings]],'' has led to the popular use of the term ''dwarves'' to describe this race in fantasy literature. Before Tolkien, the term ''dwarfs'' (with a different spelling) was used, as seen in ''Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs''. In fact, the latter spelling was so common that the original editor of ''The Lord of the Rings'' &quot;corrected&quot; Tolkien's ''dwarves'' to ''dwarfs'' (''[[The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien]]'', 138).<br /> <br /> ==Other versions of the Legendarium==<br /> In the earliest versions of Tolkien's Middle-earth mythology (see: ''[[The History of Middle-earth]]'') the dwarves were evil beings created by [[Morgoth|Melkor]].<br /> <br /> ==See also==<br /> * [[:Category:Images of Dwarves|Images of Dwarves]]<br /> <br /> {{References}}<br /> *[[The Hobbit]]<br /> *[[The Lord of the Rings]]<br /> *[[The Silmarillion]]<br /> *[[The History of Middle-earth]] <br /> <br /> {{Dwarvenclans}}<br /> <br /> [[Category:Dwarves| ]]<br /> [[Category:Races]]<br /> [[Category:Characters in The Hobbit]]<br /> <br /> [[de:Zwerge]]<br /> [[fa:دورف]]<br /> [[fr:encyclo/peuples/nains/nains]]<br /> [[fi:Kääpiöt]]</div>

Pallando https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=User:Pallando/Sandbox&diff=205784 2012-07-15T17:33:56Z

<p>Pallando: /* Middle-earth Related Podcasts */</p> <hr /> <div>== Middle-earth Related Podcasts ==<br /> <br /> <br /> ; '''[http://www.mythgard.org/exclusives/riddles-in-the-dark/ Riddles in the Dark]'''<br /> * Created by [http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Corey_Olsen Corey Olsen] and Dave Kale, the Mythgard Institute sponsored podcast reviews in-depth information around the upcoming Hobbit movies.<br /> ** [http://www.mythgard.org/news/press/announcing-riddles-in-the-dark/ Press Release], 01/24/2012<br /> * Active?: Yes<br /> * Frequency: Bi-weekly<br /> * Length: 30min+<br /> * Availability: iTunes, [http://www.tolkienprofessor.com/rss_feed.xml rss], direct download<br /> * Produced by: Mythgard Institute and the [http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Middle-earth_Network Middle-earth Network]<br /> <br /> ; '''[http://radio.mymiddleearth.com/category/casualstrolltomordor A Casual Stroll to Mordor]'''<br /> * A podcast about the on-line game ''Lord of the Rings Online''<br /> * Produced by: [http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Middle-earth_Network Middle-earth Network]<br /> <br /> ; '''[http://middleearthminutes.mymiddleearth.com/ Middle-earth Minutes]'''<br /> * Produced by: Middle-earth Network<br /> <br /> ; '''[http://cofwestmarch.mymiddleearth.com/ The Council of Westmarch]'''<br /> * Montana, United States, area Tolkien fan community<br /> * Produced by: [http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Middle-earth_Network Middle-earth Network]<br /> <br /> ; '''[http://tfi.mymiddleearth.com/ The Founders Inklings]'''<br /> * A podcast by the founders of the Middle-earth Network talk about the Middle-earth Network in general<br /> * Produced by: [http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Middle-earth_Network Middle-earth Network]<br /> <br /> ; '''[http://menetspecials.mymiddleearth.com/ Middle-earth Network Specials]'''<br /> * A podcast about the Middle-earth Network family of websites and podcasts<br /> * Produced by: [http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Middle-earth_Network Middle-earth Network]<br /> <br /> ; '''[http://lotroquest.mymiddleearth.com/ LOTRO Quest]'''<br /> * A podcast for people that play the on-line game LOTRO to join a quest and have their teamspeak chats turned into a podcast<br /> * Produced by: [http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Middle-earth_Network Middle-earth Network]<br /> <br /> ; '''[http://middle-earthradio.com/ Middle-earth Talk Radio]'''<br /> * Not strictly a podcast, METR is a collection of three streaming Middle-earth related information, music, and media<br /> ** Stream 1: Rock - &quot;This stream provides Tolkien-inspired music with a beat (Rock, Metal, etc.).&quot;<br /> ** Stream 2: Mellow - &quot;This stream provides mellow Tolkien-inspired music (classical, celtic, new age, trance, electronica (down tempo), folk, etc.).&quot;<br /> ** Stream 3: Talk - &quot;This stream provides Tolkien Audio clips (BBC broadcasts, books on tape/cd, recordings of J.R.R. Tolkien himself speaking, Talk shows, etc.).&quot;<br /> ** Stream 4: Variety: All music from Streams 1 and 2 and some others that aren't categorized<br /> * Active?: Yes<br /> * Origin: 1999<br /> * Produced by: Middle-earth Radio<br /> <br /> ; '''[http://aldasaga.com/ Tolkien and Old Norse]'''<br /> * A podcast about Old Norse (language) and Tolkien<br /> ** [http://aldasaga.com/about.html About]<br /> * Active?: Yes<br /> * Availability: iTunes, direct download<br /> * Produced by: Brent Landon<br /> <br /> ; '''[http://www.tolkienprofessor.com/wp/news/ The Tolkien Professor]'''<br /> * Lecture series by [http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Corey_Olsen Corey Olsen]<br /> ** related to ''The Riddles in the Dark'' podcast<br /> * Produced by: Mythgard Institute<br /> <br /> === Related ===<br /> [http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Category:Podcasts Category:Podcasts]</div>

Pallando https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=User:Pallando/Sandbox&diff=205780 2012-07-15T17:20:51Z

<p>Pallando: /* Middle-earth Related Podcasts */</p> <hr /> <div>== Middle-earth Related Podcasts ==<br /> <br /> <br /> ; '''[http://www.mythgard.org/exclusives/riddles-in-the-dark/ Riddles in the Dark]'''<br /> * Created by [http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Corey_Olsen Corey Olson] and Dave Kale, the Mythgard Institute sponsored podcast reviews in-depth information around the upcoming Hobbit movies.<br /> ** [http://www.mythgard.org/news/press/announcing-riddles-in-the-dark/ Press Release], 01/24/2012<br /> * Active?: Yes<br /> * Frequency: Bi-weekly<br /> * Length: 30min+<br /> * Availability: iTunes, [http://www.tolkienprofessor.com/rss_feed.xml rss], direct download<br /> * Produced by: Mythgard Institute and the [http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Middle-earth_Network Middle-earth Network]<br /> <br /> ; '''[http://radio.mymiddleearth.com/category/casualstrolltomordor A Casual Stroll to Mordor]'''<br /> * A podcast about the on-line game ''Lord of the Rings Online''<br /> * Produced by: [http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Middle-earth_Network Middle-earth Network]<br /> <br /> ; '''[http://middleearthminutes.mymiddleearth.com/ Middle-earth Minutes]'''<br /> * Produced by: Middle-earth Network<br /> <br /> ; '''[http://cofwestmarch.mymiddleearth.com/ The Council of Westmarch]'''<br /> * Montana, United States, area Tolkien fan community<br /> * Produced by: [http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Middle-earth_Network Middle-earth Network]<br /> <br /> ; '''[http://tfi.mymiddleearth.com/ The Founders Inklings]'''<br /> * A podcast by the founders of the Middle-earth Network talk about the Middle-earth Network in general<br /> * Produced by: [http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Middle-earth_Network Middle-earth Network]<br /> <br /> ; '''[http://menetspecials.mymiddleearth.com/ Middle-earth Network Specials]'''<br /> * A podcast about the Middle-earth Network family of websites and podcasts<br /> * Produced by: [http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Middle-earth_Network Middle-earth Network]<br /> <br /> ; '''[http://lotroquest.mymiddleearth.com/ LOTRO Quest]'''<br /> * A podcast for people that play the on-line game LOTRO to join a quest and have their teamspeak chats turned into a podcast<br /> * Produced by: [http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Middle-earth_Network Middle-earth Network]<br /> <br /> ; '''[http://middle-earthradio.com/ Middle-earth Talk Radio]'''<br /> * Not strictly a podcast, METR is a collection of three streaming Middle-earth related information, music, and media<br /> ** Stream 1: Rock - &quot;This stream provides Tolkien-inspired music with a beat (Rock, Metal, etc.).&quot;<br /> ** Stream 2: Mellow - &quot;This stream provides mellow Tolkien-inspired music (classical, celtic, new age, trance, electronica (down tempo), folk, etc.).&quot;<br /> ** Stream 3: Talk - &quot;This stream provides Tolkien Audio clips (BBC broadcasts, books on tape/cd, recordings of J.R.R. Tolkien himself speaking, Talk shows, etc.).&quot;<br /> ** Stream 4: Variety: All music from Streams 1 and 2 and some others that aren't categorized<br /> * Active?: Yes<br /> * Origin: 1999<br /> * Produced by: Middle-earth Radio<br /> <br /> ; '''[http://aldasaga.com/ Tolkien and Old Norse]'''<br /> * A podcast about Old Norse (language) and Tolkien<br /> ** [http://aldasaga.com/about.html About]<br /> * Active?: Yes<br /> * Availability: iTunes, direct download<br /> * Produced by: Brent Landon<br /> <br /> ; '''[http://www.tolkienprofessor.com/wp/news/ The Tolkien Professor]'''<br /> * Lecture series by [Corey Olson]<br /> ** related to ''The Riddles in the Dark'' podcast<br /> * Produced by: Mythgard Institute<br /> <br /> === Related ===<br /> [http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Category:Podcasts Category:Podcasts]</div>

Pallando https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=User:Pallando/Sandbox&diff=205779 2012-07-15T17:19:11Z

<p>Pallando: /* Middle-earth Related Podcasts */</p> <hr /> <div>== Middle-earth Related Podcasts ==<br /> <br /> <br /> ; '''[http://www.mythgard.org/exclusives/riddles-in-the-dark/ Riddles in the Dark]'''<br /> * Created by [http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Corey_Olsen Corey Olson] and Dave Kale, the Mythgard Institute sponsored podcast reviews in-depth information around the upcoming Hobbit movies.<br /> ** [http://www.mythgard.org/news/press/announcing-riddles-in-the-dark/ Press Release], 01/24/2012<br /> * Active?: Yes<br /> * Frequency: Bi-weekly<br /> * Length: 30min+<br /> * Availability: iTunes, [http://www.tolkienprofessor.com/rss_feed.xml rss], direct download<br /> * Produced by: Mythgard Institute and the [http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Middle-earth_Network Middle-earth Network]<br /> <br /> ; '''[http://radio.mymiddleearth.com/category/casualstrolltomordor A Casual Stroll to Mordor]'''<br /> * A podcast about the on-line game ''Lord of the Rings Online''<br /> * Produced by: [http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Middle-earth_Network Middle-earth Network]<br /> <br /> ; '''[http://middleearthminutes.mymiddleearth.com/ Middle-earth Minutes]'''<br /> * Produced by: Middle-earth Network<br /> <br /> ; '''[http://cofwestmarch.mymiddleearth.com/ The Council of Westmarch]'''<br /> * Montana, United States, area Tolkien fan community<br /> * Produced by: [http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Middle-earth_Network Middle-earth Network]<br /> <br /> ; '''[http://tfi.mymiddleearth.com/ The Founders Inklings]'''<br /> * A podcast by the founders of the Middle-earth Network talk about the Middle-earth Network in general<br /> * Produced by: [http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Middle-earth_Network Middle-earth Network]<br /> <br /> ; '''[http://menetspecials.mymiddleearth.com/ Middle-earth Network Specials]'''<br /> * A podcast about the Middle-earth Network family of websites and podcasts<br /> * Produced by: [http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Middle-earth_Network Middle-earth Network]<br /> <br /> ; '''[http://lotroquest.mymiddleearth.com/ LOTRO Quest]'''<br /> * A podcast for people that play the on-line game LOTRO to join a quest and have their teamspeak chats turned into a podcast<br /> * Produced by: [http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Middle-earth_Network Middle-earth Network]<br /> <br /> ; '''[http://middle-earthradio.com/ Middle-earth Talk Radio]'''<br /> * Not strictly a podcast, METR is a collection of three streaming Middle-earth related information, music, and media<br /> ** Stream 1: Rock - &quot;This stream provides Tolkien-inspired music with a beat (Rock, Metal, etc.).&quot;<br /> ** Stream 2: Mellow - &quot;This stream provides mellow Tolkien-inspired music (classical, celtic, new age, trance, electronica (down tempo), folk, etc.).&quot;<br /> ** Stream 3: Talk - &quot;This stream provides Tolkien Audio clips (BBC broadcasts, books on tape/cd, recordings of J.R.R. Tolkien himself speaking, Talk shows, etc.).&quot;<br /> ** Stream 4: Variety: All music from Streams 1 and 2 and some others that aren't categorized<br /> * Active?: Yes<br /> * Origin: 1999<br /> * Produced by: Middle-earth Radio<br /> <br /> ; '''[http://aldasaga.com/ Tolkien and Old Norse]'''<br /> * A podcast about Old Norse (language) and Tolkien<br /> ** [http://aldasaga.com/about.html About]<br /> * Active?: Yes<br /> * Availability: iTunes, direct download<br /> * Produced by: Brent Landon<br /> <br /> ; ''' The Tolkien Professor'''<br /> <br /> === Related ===<br /> [http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Category:Podcasts Category:Podcasts]</div>

Pallando https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=User:Pallando/Sandbox&diff=205778 2012-07-15T17:17:28Z

<p>Pallando: /* Middle-earth Related Podcasts */</p> <hr /> <div>== Middle-earth Related Podcasts ==<br /> <br /> <br /> ; '''[http://www.mythgard.org/exclusives/riddles-in-the-dark/ Riddles in the Dark]'''<br /> * Created by [http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Corey_Olsen Corey Olson] and Dave Kale, the Mythgard Institute sponsored podcast reviews in-depth information around the upcoming Hobbit movies.<br /> ** [http://www.mythgard.org/news/press/announcing-riddles-in-the-dark/ Press Release], 01/24/2012<br /> * Active?: Yes<br /> * Frequency: Bi-weekly<br /> * Length: 30min+<br /> * Availability: iTunes, [http://www.tolkienprofessor.com/rss_feed.xml rss], direct download<br /> * Produced by: Mythgard Institute and the [http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Middle-earth_Network Middle-earth Network]<br /> <br /> ; '''[http://radio.mymiddleearth.com/category/casualstrolltomordor A Casual Stroll to Mordor]'''<br /> * A podcast about the on-line game ''Lord of the Rings Online''<br /> * Produced by: [http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Middle-earth_Network Middle-earth Network]<br /> <br /> ; '''[http://middleearthminutes.mymiddleearth.com/ Middle-earth Minutes]'''<br /> * Produced by: Middle-earth Network<br /> <br /> ; '''[http://cofwestmarch.mymiddleearth.com/ The Council of Westmarch]'''<br /> * Montana, United States, area Tolkien fan community<br /> * Produced by: [http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Middle-earth_Network Middle-earth Network]<br /> <br /> ; '''[http://tfi.mymiddleearth.com/ The Founders Inklings]'''<br /> * A podcast by the founders of the Middle-earth Network talk about the Middle-earth Network in general<br /> * Produced by: [http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Middle-earth_Network Middle-earth Network]<br /> <br /> ; '''[http://menetspecials.mymiddleearth.com/ Middle-earth Network Specials]'''<br /> * A podcast about the Middle-earth Network family of websites and podcasts<br /> * Produced by: [http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Middle-earth_Network Middle-earth Network]<br /> <br /> ; '''[http://lotroquest.mymiddleearth.com/ LOTRO Quest]'''<br /> * A podcast for people that play the on-line game LOTRO to join a quest and have their teamspeak chats turned into a podcast<br /> * Produced by: [http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Middle-earth_Network Middle-earth Network]<br /> <br /> ; '''[http://middle-earthradio.com/ Middle-earth Talk Radio]'''<br /> * Not strictly a podcast, METR is a collection of three streaming Middle-earth related information, music, and media<br /> ** Stream 1: Rock - &quot;This stream provides Tolkien-inspired music with a beat (Rock, Metal, etc.).&quot;<br /> ** Stream 2: Mellow - &quot;This stream provides mellow Tolkien-inspired music (classical, celtic, new age, trance, electronica (down tempo), folk, etc.).&quot;<br /> ** Stream 3: Talk - &quot;This stream provides Tolkien Audio clips (BBC broadcasts, books on tape/cd, recordings of J.R.R. Tolkien himself speaking, Talk shows, etc.).&quot;<br /> ** Stream 4: Variety: All music from Streams 1 and 2 and some others that aren't categorized<br /> * Active?: Yes<br /> * Origin: 1999<br /> * Produced by: Middle-earth Radio<br /> <br /> <br /> ; '''Tolkien and Old Norse'''<br /> ; ''' The Tolkien Professor'''<br /> <br /> === Related ===<br /> [http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Category:Podcasts Category:Podcasts]</div>

Pallando https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=User:Pallando/Sandbox&diff=205777 2012-07-15T17:15:05Z

<p>Pallando: </p> <hr /> <div>== Middle-earth Related Podcasts ==<br /> <br /> <br /> ; '''[http://www.mythgard.org/exclusives/riddles-in-the-dark/ Riddles in the Dark]'''<br /> * Created by [http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Corey_Olsen Corey Olson] and Dave Kale, the Mythgard Institute sponsored podcast reviews in-depth information around the upcoming Hobbit movies.<br /> ** [http://www.mythgard.org/news/press/announcing-riddles-in-the-dark/ Press Release], 01/24/2012<br /> * Active?: Yes<br /> * Frequency: Bi-weekly<br /> * Length: 30min+<br /> * Availability: iTunes, [http://www.tolkienprofessor.com/rss_feed.xml rss], direct download<br /> * Produced by: Mythgard Institute and the [http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Middle-earth_Network Middle-earth Network]<br /> <br /> ; '''[http://radio.mymiddleearth.com/category/casualstrolltomordor A Casual Stroll to Mordor]'''<br /> * A podcast about the on-line game ''Lord of the Rings Online''<br /> * Produced by: [http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Middle-earth_Network Middle-earth Network]<br /> <br /> ; '''[http://middleearthminutes.mymiddleearth.com/ Middle-earth Minutes]'''<br /> * Produced by: Middle-earth Network<br /> <br /> ; '''[http://cofwestmarch.mymiddleearth.com/ The Council of Westmarch]'''<br /> * Montana, United States, area Tolkien fan community<br /> * Produced by: [http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Middle-earth_Network Middle-earth Network]<br /> <br /> ; '''[http://tfi.mymiddleearth.com/ The Founders Inklings]'''<br /> * A podcast by the founders of the Middle-earth Network talk about the Middle-earth Network in general<br /> * Produced by: [http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Middle-earth_Network Middle-earth Network]<br /> <br /> ; '''[http://menetspecials.mymiddleearth.com/ Middle-earth Network Specials]'''<br /> * A podcast about the Middle-earth Network family of websites and podcasts<br /> * Produced by: [http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Middle-earth_Network Middle-earth Network]<br /> <br /> ; '''[http://lotroquest.mymiddleearth.com/ LOTRO Quest]'''<br /> * A podcast for people that play the on-line game LOTRO to join a quest and have their teamspeak chats turned into a podcast<br /> * Produced by: [http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Middle-earth_Network Middle-earth Network]<br /> <br /> ; '''[http://middle-earthradio.com/ Middle-earth Talk Radio]'''<br /> * Not strictly a podcast, METR is a collection of three streaming Middle-earth related information, music, and media<br /> ** Stream 1: Rock - &quot;This stream provides Tolkien-inspired music with a beat (Rock, Metal, etc.).&quot;<br /> ** Stream 2: Mellow - &quot;This stream provides mellow Tolkien-inspired music (classical, celtic, new age, trance, electronica (down tempo), folk, etc.).&quot;<br /> ** Stream 3: Talk - &quot;This stream provides Tolkien Audio clips (BBC broadcasts, books on tape/cd, recordings of J.R.R. Tolkien himself speaking, Talk shows, etc.).&quot;<br /> ** Stream 4: Variety: All music from Streams 1 and 2 and some others that aren't categorized<br /> * Active?: Yes<br /> * Origin: 1999<br /> * Produced by: [http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Middle-earth_Network Middle-earth Network]<br /> <br /> <br /> ; '''Tolkien and Old Norse'''<br /> ; ''' The Tolkien Professor'''<br /> <br /> === Related ===<br /> [http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Category:Podcasts Category:Podcasts]</div>

Pallando https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=User:Pallando/Sandbox&diff=205776 2012-07-15T17:13:39Z

<p>Pallando: </p> <hr /> <div>== Middle-earth Related Podcasts ==<br /> <br /> <br /> ; '''[http://www.mythgard.org/exclusives/riddles-in-the-dark/ Riddles in the Dark]'''<br /> * Created by [http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Corey_Olsen Corey Olson] and Dave Kale, the Mythgard Institute sponsored podcast reviews in-depth information around the upcoming Hobbit movies.<br /> ** [http://www.mythgard.org/news/press/announcing-riddles-in-the-dark/ Press Release], 01/24/2012<br /> * Active?: Yes<br /> * Frequency: Bi-weekly<br /> * Length: 30min+<br /> * Availability: iTunes, [http://www.tolkienprofessor.com/rss_feed.xml rss], direct download<br /> * Produced by: Mythgard Institute and the [http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Middle-earth_Network Middle-earth Network]<br /> <br /> ; '''[http://radio.mymiddleearth.com/category/casualstrolltomordor A Casual Stroll to Mordor]'''<br /> * A podcast about the on-line game ''Lord of the Rings Online''<br /> * Produced by: [http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Middle-earth_Network Middle-earth Network]<br /> <br /> ; '''[http://middleearthminutes.mymiddleearth.com/ Middle-earth Minutes]'''<br /> * Produced by: Middle-earth Network<br /> <br /> ; '''[http://cofwestmarch.mymiddleearth.com/ The Council of Westmarch]'''<br /> * Montana, United States, area Tolkien fan community<br /> * Produced by: [http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Middle-earth_Network Middle-earth Network]<br /> <br /> ; '''[http://tfi.mymiddleearth.com/ The Founders Inklings]'''<br /> * A podcast by the founders of the Middle-earth Network talk about the Middle-earth Network in general<br /> * Produced by: [http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Middle-earth_Network Middle-earth Network]<br /> <br /> ; '''[http://menetspecials.mymiddleearth.com/ Middle-earth Network Specials]'''<br /> * A podcast about the Middle-earth Network family of websites and podcasts<br /> * Produced by: [http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Middle-earth_Network Middle-earth Network]<br /> <br /> ; '''[http://lotroquest.mymiddleearth.com/ LOTRO Quest]'''<br /> * A podcast for people that play the on-line game LOTRO to join a quest and have their teamspeak chats turned into a podcast<br /> * Produced by: [http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Middle-earth_Network Middle-earth Network]<br /> <br /> ; '''[http://middle-earthradio.com/ Middle-earth Talk Radio]'''<br /> * Not strictly a podcast, METR is a collection of three streaming Middle-earth related information, music, and media<br /> ** Stream 1: Rock - &quot;This stream provides Tolkien-inspired music with a beat (Rock, Metal, etc.).&quot;<br /> ** Stream 2: Mellow - &quot;This stream provides mellow Tolkien-inspired music (classical, celtic, new age, trance, electronica (down tempo), folk, etc.).&quot;<br /> ** Stream 3: Talk - &quot;This stream provides Tolkien Audio clips (BBC broadcasts, books on tape/cd, recordings of J.R.R. Tolkien himself speaking, Talk shows, etc.).&quot;<br /> * Produced by: [http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Middle-earth_Network Middle-earth Network]<br /> <br /> <br /> ; '''Tolkien and Old Norse'''<br /> ; ''' The Tolkien Professor'''<br /> <br /> === Related ===<br /> [http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Category:Podcasts Category:Podcasts]</div>

Pallando https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=User:Pallando/Sandbox&diff=205775 2012-07-15T17:10:40Z

<p>Pallando: </p> <hr /> <div>== Middle-earth Related Podcasts ==<br /> <br /> <br /> ; '''[http://www.mythgard.org/exclusives/riddles-in-the-dark/ Riddles in the Dark]'''<br /> * Created by [http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Corey_Olsen Corey Olson] and Dave Kale, the Mythgard Institute sponsored podcast reviews in-depth information around the upcoming Hobbit movies.<br /> ** [http://www.mythgard.org/news/press/announcing-riddles-in-the-dark/ Press Release], 01/24/2012<br /> * Active?: Yes<br /> * Frequency: Bi-weekly<br /> * Length: 30min+<br /> * Availability: iTunes, [http://www.tolkienprofessor.com/rss_feed.xml rss], direct download<br /> * Produced by: Mythgard Institute and the [http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Middle-earth_Network Middle-earth Network]<br /> <br /> ; '''[http://radio.mymiddleearth.com/category/casualstrolltomordor A Casual Stroll to Mordor]'''<br /> * A podcast about the on-line game ''Lord of the Rings Online''<br /> * Produced by: [http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Middle-earth_Network Middle-earth Network]<br /> <br /> ; '''[http://middleearthminutes.mymiddleearth.com/ Middle-earth Minutes]'''<br /> * Produced by: Middle-earth Network<br /> <br /> ; '''[http://cofwestmarch.mymiddleearth.com/ The Council of Westmarch]'''<br /> * Montana, United States, area Tolkien fan community<br /> * Produced by: [http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Middle-earth_Network Middle-earth Network]<br /> <br /> ; '''[http://tfi.mymiddleearth.com/ The Founders Inklings]'''<br /> * A podcast by the founders of the Middle-earth Network talk about the Middle-earth Network in general<br /> * Produced by: [http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Middle-earth_Network Middle-earth Network]<br /> <br /> ; '''[http://menetspecials.mymiddleearth.com/ Middle-earth Network Specials]'''<br /> * A podcast about the Middle-earth Network family of websites and podcasts<br /> * Produced by: [http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Middle-earth_Network Middle-earth Network]<br /> <br /> ; '''[http://lotroquest.mymiddleearth.com/ LOTRO Quest]'''<br /> * A podcast for people that play the on-line game LOTRO to join a quest and have their teamspeak chats turned into a podcast<br /> * Produced by: [http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Middle-earth_Network Middle-earth Network]<br /> <br /> ; '''Tolkien and Old Norse'''<br /> ; ''' The Tolkien Professor'''<br /> ; ''' Middle-earth Minutes (MEN)'''<br /> ; ''' Middle-earth Talk Radio'''<br /> <br /> <br /> === Related ===<br /> [http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Category:Podcasts Category:Podcasts]</div>

Pallando https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=User:Pallando/Sandbox&diff=205774 2012-07-15T17:09:20Z

<p>Pallando: </p> <hr /> <div>== Middle-earth Related Podcasts ==<br /> <br /> <br /> ; '''[http://www.mythgard.org/exclusives/riddles-in-the-dark/ Riddles in the Dark]'''<br /> * Created by [http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Corey_Olsen Corey Olson] and Dave Kale, the Mythgard Institute sponsored podcast reviews in-depth information around the upcoming Hobbit movies.<br /> ** [http://www.mythgard.org/news/press/announcing-riddles-in-the-dark/ Press Release], 01/24/2012<br /> * Active?: Yes<br /> * Frequency: Bi-weekly<br /> * Length: 30min+<br /> * Availability: iTunes, [http://www.tolkienprofessor.com/rss_feed.xml rss], direct download<br /> * Produced by: Mythgard Institute and the [http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Middle-earth_Network Middle-earth Network]<br /> <br /> ; '''[http://radio.mymiddleearth.com/category/casualstrolltomordor A Casual Stroll to Mordor]'''<br /> * A podcast about the on-line game ''Lord of the Rings Online''<br /> * Produced by: [http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Middle-earth_Network Middle-earth Network]<br /> <br /> ; '''[http://middleearthminutes.mymiddleearth.com/ Middle-earth Minutes]'''<br /> * Produced by: Middle-earth Network<br /> <br /> ; '''[http://cofwestmarch.mymiddleearth.com/ The Council of Westmarch]'''<br /> * Montana, United States, area Tolkien fan community<br /> * Produced by: [http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Middle-earth_Network Middle-earth Network]<br /> <br /> ; '''[http://tfi.mymiddleearth.com/ The Founders Inklings]'''<br /> * A podcast by the founders of the Middle-earth Network talk about the Middle-earth Network in general<br /> * Produced by: [http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Middle-earth_Network Middle-earth Network]<br /> <br /> ; '''[http://menetspecials.mymiddleearth.com/ Middle-earth Network Specials]'''<br /> * A podcast about the Middle-earth Network family of websites and podcasts<br /> * Produced by: [http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Middle-earth_Network Middle-earth Network]<br /> <br /> ; '''[http://lotroquest.mymiddleearth.com/ LOTRO Quest]'''<br /> * A podcast for people that play the on-line game LOTRO to join a quest and have their teamspeak chats turned into a podcast<br /> * Produced by: [http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Middle-earth_Network Middle-earth Network]<br /> <br /> ; '''Tolkien and Old Norse'''<br /> ; ''' The Tolkien Professor'''<br /> ; ''' Middle-earth Network Specials (MEN)'''<br /> ; ''' The Founders' Inklings (MEN)'''<br /> ; ''' Middle-earth Minutes (MEN)'''<br /> ; ''' Middle-earth Talk Radio'''<br /> <br /> <br /> === Related ===<br /> [http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Category:Podcasts Category:Podcasts]</div>

Pallando https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=User:Pallando/Sandbox&diff=205773 2012-07-15T17:07:42Z

<p>Pallando: /* Middle-earth Related Podcasts */</p> <hr /> <div>== Middle-earth Related Podcasts ==<br /> <br /> <br /> ; '''[http://www.mythgard.org/exclusives/riddles-in-the-dark/ Riddles in the Dark]'''<br /> * Created by [http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Corey_Olsen Corey Olson] and Dave Kale, the Mythgard Institute sponsored podcast reviews in-depth information around the upcoming Hobbit movies.<br /> ** [http://www.mythgard.org/news/press/announcing-riddles-in-the-dark/ Press Release], 01/24/2012<br /> * Active?: Yes<br /> * Frequency: Bi-weekly<br /> * Length: 30min+<br /> * Availability: iTunes, [http://www.tolkienprofessor.com/rss_feed.xml rss], direct download<br /> * Produced by: Mythgard Institute and the Middle-earth Network <br /> <br /> ; '''[http://radio.mymiddleearth.com/category/casualstrolltomordor A Casual Stroll to Mordor]'''<br /> * A podcast about the on-line game ''Lord of the Rings Online''<br /> * Produced by: Middle-earth Network<br /> <br /> ; '''[http://middleearthminutes.mymiddleearth.com/ Middle-earth Minutes]'''<br /> * Produced by: Middle-earth Network<br /> <br /> ; '''[http://cofwestmarch.mymiddleearth.com/ The Council of Westmarch]'''<br /> * Montana, United States, area Tolkien fan community<br /> * Produced by: Middle-earth Network<br /> <br /> ; '''[http://tfi.mymiddleearth.com/ The Founders Inklings]'''<br /> * A podcast by the founders of the Middle-earth Network talk about the Middle-earth Network in general<br /> * Produced by: Middle-earth Network<br /> <br /> ; '''[http://menetspecials.mymiddleearth.com/ Middle-earth Network Specials]'''<br /> * A podcast about the Middle-earth Network family of websites and podcasts<br /> * Produced by: Middle-earth network<br /> <br /> ; '''[http://lotroquest.mymiddleearth.com/ LOTRO Quest]'''<br /> * A podcast for people that play the on-line game LOTRO to join a quest and have their teamspeak chats turned into a podcast<br /> * Produced by: Middle-earth network<br /> <br /> ; '''Tolkien and Old Norse'''<br /> ; ''' The Tolkien Professor'''<br /> ; ''' Middle-earth Network Specials (MEN)'''<br /> ; ''' The Founders' Inklings (MEN)'''<br /> ; ''' Middle-earth Minutes (MEN)'''<br /> ; ''' Middle-earth Talk Radio'''<br /> <br /> <br /> === Related ===<br /> [http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Category:Podcasts Category:Podcasts]</div>

Pallando https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=User:Pallando/Sandbox&diff=205772 2012-07-15T17:05:32Z

<p>Pallando: </p> <hr /> <div>== Middle-earth Related Podcasts ==<br /> <br /> <br /> ; '''[http://www.mythgard.org/exclusives/riddles-in-the-dark/ Riddles in the Dark]'''<br /> * Created by [http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Corey_Olsen Corey Olson] and Dave Kale, the Mythgard Institute sponsored podcast reviews in-depth information around the upcoming Hobbit movies.<br /> ** [http://www.mythgard.org/news/press/announcing-riddles-in-the-dark/ Press Release], 01/24/2012<br /> * Active?: Yes<br /> * Frequency: Bi-weekly<br /> * Length: 30min+<br /> * Availability: iTunes, [http://www.tolkienprofessor.com/rss_feed.xml rss], direct download<br /> * Produced by: Mythgard Institute and the Middle-earth Network <br /> <br /> ; '''[http://radio.mymiddleearth.com/category/casualstrolltomordor A Casual Stroll to Mordor]'''<br /> * A podcast about the on-line game ''Lord of the Rings Online''<br /> * Produced by: Middle-earth Network<br /> <br /> ; '''[http://middleearthminutes.mymiddleearth.com/ Middle-earth Minutes]'''<br /> * Produced by: Middle-earth Network<br /> <br /> ; '''[http://cofwestmarch.mymiddleearth.com/ The Council of Westmarch]'''<br /> * Montana, United States, area Tolkien fan community<br /> * Produced by: Middle-earth Network<br /> <br /> ; '''[http://tfi.mymiddleearth.com/ The Founders Inklings]'''<br /> * A podcast by the founders of the Middle-earth Network talk about the Middle-earth Network in general<br /> * Produced by: Middle-earth Network<br /> <br /> ; '''[http://menetspecials.mymiddleearth.com/ Middle-earth Network Specials]'''<br /> * A podcast about the Middle-earth Network family of websites and podcasts<br /> * Produced by: Middle-earth network<br /> <br /> ; '''Tolkien and Old Norse'''<br /> ; ''' The Tolkien Professor'''<br /> ; ''' Middle-earth Network Specials (MEN)'''<br /> ; ''' The Founders' Inklings (MEN)'''<br /> ; ''' Middle-earth Minutes (MEN)'''<br /> ; ''' Middle-earth Talk Radio'''<br /> <br /> <br /> === Related ===<br /> [http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Category:Podcasts Category:Podcasts]</div>

Pallando https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=User:Pallando/Sandbox&diff=205771 2012-07-15T17:05:23Z

<p>Pallando: </p> <hr /> <div>== Middle-earth Related Podcasts ==<br /> <br /> <br /> ; '''[http://www.mythgard.org/exclusives/riddles-in-the-dark/ Riddles in the Dark]'''<br /> * Created by [http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Corey_Olsen Corey Olson] and Dave Kale, the Mythgard Institute sponsored podcast reviews in-depth information around the upcoming Hobbit movies.<br /> ** * [http://www.mythgard.org/news/press/announcing-riddles-in-the-dark/ Press Release], 01/24/2012<br /> * Active?: Yes<br /> * Frequency: Bi-weekly<br /> * Length: 30min+<br /> * Availability: iTunes, [http://www.tolkienprofessor.com/rss_feed.xml rss], direct download<br /> * Produced by: Mythgard Institute and the Middle-earth Network <br /> <br /> ; '''[http://radio.mymiddleearth.com/category/casualstrolltomordor A Casual Stroll to Mordor]'''<br /> * A podcast about the on-line game ''Lord of the Rings Online''<br /> * Produced by: Middle-earth Network<br /> <br /> ; '''[http://middleearthminutes.mymiddleearth.com/ Middle-earth Minutes]'''<br /> * Produced by: Middle-earth Network<br /> <br /> ; '''[http://cofwestmarch.mymiddleearth.com/ The Council of Westmarch]'''<br /> * Montana, United States, area Tolkien fan community<br /> * Produced by: Middle-earth Network<br /> <br /> ; '''[http://tfi.mymiddleearth.com/ The Founders Inklings]'''<br /> * A podcast by the founders of the Middle-earth Network talk about the Middle-earth Network in general<br /> * Produced by: Middle-earth Network<br /> <br /> ; '''[http://menetspecials.mymiddleearth.com/ Middle-earth Network Specials]'''<br /> * A podcast about the Middle-earth Network family of websites and podcasts<br /> * Produced by: Middle-earth network<br /> <br /> ; '''Tolkien and Old Norse'''<br /> ; ''' The Tolkien Professor'''<br /> ; ''' Middle-earth Network Specials (MEN)'''<br /> ; ''' The Founders' Inklings (MEN)'''<br /> ; ''' Middle-earth Minutes (MEN)'''<br /> ; ''' Middle-earth Talk Radio'''<br /> <br /> <br /> === Related ===<br /> [http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Category:Podcasts Category:Podcasts]</div>

Pallando https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=User:Pallando/Sandbox&diff=205770 2012-07-15T17:04:53Z

<p>Pallando: </p> <hr /> <div>== Middle-earth Related Podcasts ==<br /> <br /> <br /> ; '''[http://www.mythgard.org/exclusives/riddles-in-the-dark/ Riddles in the Dark]'''<br /> * Created by [http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Corey_Olsen Corey Olson] and Dave Kale, the Mythgard Institute sponsored podcast reviews in-depth information around the upcoming Hobbit movies.<br /> * Active?: Yes<br /> * Frequency: Bi-weekly<br /> * Length: 30min+<br /> * Availability: iTunes, [http://www.tolkienprofessor.com/rss_feed.xml rss], direct download<br /> * [http://www.mythgard.org/news/press/announcing-riddles-in-the-dark/ Press Release], 01/24/2012<br /> * Produced by: Mythgard Institute and the Middle-earth Network <br /> <br /> ; '''[http://radio.mymiddleearth.com/category/casualstrolltomordor A Casual Stroll to Mordor]'''<br /> * A podcast about the on-line game ''Lord of the Rings Online''<br /> * Produced by: Middle-earth Network<br /> <br /> ; '''[http://middleearthminutes.mymiddleearth.com/ Middle-earth Minutes]'''<br /> * Produced by: Middle-earth Network<br /> <br /> ; '''[http://cofwestmarch.mymiddleearth.com/ The Council of Westmarch]'''<br /> * Montana, United States, area Tolkien fan community<br /> * Produced by: Middle-earth Network<br /> <br /> ; '''[http://tfi.mymiddleearth.com/ The Founders Inklings]'''<br /> * A podcast by the founders of the Middle-earth Network talk about the Middle-earth Network in general<br /> * Produced by: Middle-earth Network<br /> <br /> ; '''[http://menetspecials.mymiddleearth.com/ Middle-earth Network Specials]'''<br /> * A podcast about the Middle-earth Network family of websites and podcasts<br /> * Produced by: Middle-earth network<br /> <br /> ; '''Tolkien and Old Norse'''<br /> ; ''' The Tolkien Professor'''<br /> ; ''' Middle-earth Network Specials (MEN)'''<br /> ; ''' The Founders' Inklings (MEN)'''<br /> ; ''' Middle-earth Minutes (MEN)'''<br /> ; ''' Middle-earth Talk Radio'''<br /> <br /> <br /> === Related ===<br /> [http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Category:Podcasts Category:Podcasts]</div>

Pallando https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=User:Pallando/Sandbox&diff=205769 2012-07-15T17:03:33Z

<p>Pallando: </p> <hr /> <div>== Middle-earth Related Podcasts ==<br /> <br /> <br /> ; '''[http://www.mythgard.org/exclusives/riddles-in-the-dark/ Riddles in the Dark]'''<br /> * Created by [http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Corey_Olsen Corey Olson] and Dave Kale, the Mythgard Institute sponsored podcast reviews in-depth information around the upcoming Hobbit movies.<br /> * Active?: Yes<br /> * Frequency: Bi-weekly<br /> * Length: 30min+<br /> * Availability: iTunes, [http://www.tolkienprofessor.com/rss_feed.xml rss], direct download<br /> * [http://www.mythgard.org/news/press/announcing-riddles-in-the-dark/ Press Release], 01/24/2012<br /> * Produced by: Mythgard Institute and the Middle-earth Network <br /> <br /> ; '''[http://radio.mymiddleearth.com/category/casualstrolltomordor A Casual Stroll to Mordor]'''<br /> * A podcast about the on-line game ''Lord of the Rings Online''<br /> * Produced by: Middle-earth Network<br /> <br /> ; '''[http://middleearthminutes.mymiddleearth.com/ Middle-earth Minutes]'''<br /> * Produced by: Middle-earth Network<br /> <br /> ; '''[http://cofwestmarch.mymiddleearth.com/ The Council of Westmarch]'''<br /> * Montana, United States, area Tolkien fan community<br /> * Produced by: Middle-earth Network<br /> <br /> ; '''[http://tfi.mymiddleearth.com/ The Founders Inklings]'''<br /> * A podcast by the founders of the Middle-earth Network talk about the Middle-earth Network in general<br /> * Produced by: Middle-earth Network<br /> <br /> ; '''Tolkien and Old Norse'''<br /> ; ''' The Tolkien Professor'''<br /> ; ''' Middle-earth Network Specials (MEN)'''<br /> ; ''' The Founders' Inklings (MEN)'''<br /> ; ''' Middle-earth Minutes (MEN)'''<br /> ; ''' Middle-earth Talk Radio'''<br /> <br /> <br /> === Related ===<br /> [http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Category:Podcasts Category:Podcasts]</div>

Pallando https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=User:Pallando/Sandbox&diff=205768 2012-07-15T17:01:55Z

<p>Pallando: </p> <hr /> <div>== Middle-earth Related Podcasts ==<br /> <br /> <br /> ; '''[http://www.mythgard.org/exclusives/riddles-in-the-dark/ Riddles in the Dark]'''<br /> * Created by [http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Corey_Olsen Corey Olson] and Dave Kale, the Mythgard Institute sponsored podcast reviews in-depth information around the upcoming Hobbit movies.<br /> * Active?: Yes<br /> * Frequency: Bi-weekly<br /> * Length: 30min+<br /> * Availability: iTunes, [http://www.tolkienprofessor.com/rss_feed.xml rss], direct download<br /> * [http://www.mythgard.org/news/press/announcing-riddles-in-the-dark/ Press Release], 01/24/2012<br /> * Produced by: Mythgard Institute and the Middle-earth Network <br /> <br /> ; '''[http://radio.mymiddleearth.com/category/casualstrolltomordor A Casual Stroll to Mordor]'''<br /> * A podcast about the on-line game ''Lord of the Rings Online''<br /> * Produced by: Middle-earth Network<br /> <br /> ; '''[http://middleearthminutes.mymiddleearth.com/ Middle-earth Minutes]'''<br /> * Produced by: Middle-earth Network<br /> <br /> ; '''[http://cofwestmarch.mymiddleearth.com/ The Council of Westmarch]'''<br /> * Montana, United States, area Tolkien fan community<br /> * Produced by: Middle-earth Network<br /> <br /> ; '''Tolkien and Old Norse'''<br /> ; ''' The Tolkien Professor'''<br /> ; ''' Middle-earth Network Specials (MEN)'''<br /> ; ''' The Founders' Inklings (MEN)'''<br /> ; ''' Middle-earth Minutes (MEN)'''<br /> ; ''' Middle-earth Talk Radio'''<br /> <br /> <br /> === Related ===<br /> [http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Category:Podcasts Category:Podcasts]</div>

Pallando https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=User:Pallando/Sandbox&diff=205767 2012-07-15T16:57:48Z

<p>Pallando: </p> <hr /> <div>== Middle-earth Related Podcasts ==<br /> <br /> <br /> ; '''[http://www.mythgard.org/exclusives/riddles-in-the-dark/ Riddles in the Dark]'''<br /> * Created by [http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Corey_Olsen Corey Olson] and Dave Kale, the Mythgard Institute sponsored podcast reviews in-depth information around the upcoming Hobbit movies.<br /> * Frequency: Bi-weekly<br /> * Length: 30min+<br /> * Availability: iTunes, [http://www.tolkienprofessor.com/rss_feed.xml rss], direct download<br /> * [http://www.mythgard.org/news/press/announcing-riddles-in-the-dark/ Press Release], 01/24/2012<br /> * Produced by Mythgard Institute and the Middle-earth Network <br /> <br /> ; '''[http://radio.mymiddleearth.com/category/casualstrolltomordor A Casual Stroll to Mordor]'''<br /> * A podcast about the on-line game ''Lord of the Rings Online''<br /> * A Middle-earth Network production<br /> <br /> ; '''[http://middleearthminutes.mymiddleearth.com/ Middle-earth Minutes]'''<br /> * A Middle-earth Network production<br /> <br /> ; '''Tolkien and Old Norse'''<br /> ; ''' The Tolkien Professor'''<br /> ; ''' Middle-earth Network Specials (MEN)'''<br /> ; ''' The Founders' Inklings (MEN)'''<br /> ; ''' Middle-earth Minutes (MEN)'''<br /> ; ''' Middle-earth Talk Radio'''<br /> <br /> <br /> === Related ===<br /> [http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Category:Podcasts Category:Podcasts]</div>

Pallando https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=User:Pallando/Sandbox&diff=205766 2012-07-15T16:56:34Z

<p>Pallando: /* Middle-earth Related Podcasts */</p> <hr /> <div>== Middle-earth Related Podcasts ==<br /> <br /> <br /> ; '''[http://www.mythgard.org/exclusives/riddles-in-the-dark/ Riddles in the Dark]'''<br /> * Created by Corey Olson and Dave Kale, the Mythgard Institute sponsored podcast reviews in-depth information around the upcoming Hobbit movies.<br /> * Frequency: Bi-weekly<br /> * Length: 30min+<br /> * Availability: iTunes, [http://www.tolkienprofessor.com/rss_feed.xml rss], direct download<br /> * [http://www.mythgard.org/news/press/announcing-riddles-in-the-dark/ Press Release], 01/24/2012<br /> * Produced by Mythgard Institute and the Middle-earth Network <br /> <br /> ; '''[http://radio.mymiddleearth.com/category/casualstrolltomordor A Casual Stroll to Mordor]'''<br /> * A podcast about the on-line game ''Lord of the Rings Online''<br /> * A Middle-earth Network production<br /> <br /> ; '''[http://middleearthminutes.mymiddleearth.com/ Middle-earth Minutes]'''<br /> * A Middle-earth Network production<br /> <br /> ; '''Tolkien and Old Norse'''<br /> ; ''' The Tolkien Professor'''<br /> ; ''' Middle-earth Network Specials (MEN)'''<br /> ; ''' The Founders' Inklings (MEN)'''<br /> ; ''' Middle-earth Minutes (MEN)'''<br /> ; ''' Middle-earth Talk Radio'''<br /> <br /> <br /> === Related ===<br /> [http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Category:Podcasts Category:Podcasts]</div>

Pallando https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=User:Pallando/Sandbox&diff=205765 2012-07-15T16:53:22Z

<p>Pallando: </p> <hr /> <div>== Middle-earth Related Podcasts ==<br /> <br /> <br /> ; '''[http://www.mythgard.org/exclusives/riddles-in-the-dark/ Riddles in the Dark]'''<br /> * Created by Corey Olson and Dave Kale, the Mythgard Institute sponsored podcast reviews in-depth information around the upcoming Hobbit movies.<br /> * Produced by Mythgard Institute and the Middle-earth Network <br /> <br /> ; '''[http://radio.mymiddleearth.com/category/casualstrolltomordor A Casual Stroll to Mordor]'''<br /> * A podcast about the on-line game ''Lord of the Rings Online''<br /> * A Middle-earth Network production<br /> <br /> ; '''[http://middleearthminutes.mymiddleearth.com/ Middle-earth Minutes]'''<br /> * A Middle-earth Network production<br /> <br /> ; '''Tolkien and Old Norse'''<br /> ; ''' The Tolkien Professor'''<br /> ; ''' Middle-earth Network Specials (MEN)'''<br /> ; ''' The Founders' Inklings (MEN)'''<br /> ; ''' Middle-earth Minutes (MEN)'''<br /> ; ''' Middle-earth Talk Radio'''<br /> <br /> <br /> === Related ===<br /> [http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Category:Podcasts Category:Podcasts]</div>

Pallando https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=User:Pallando/Sandbox&diff=205764 2012-07-15T16:51:47Z

<p>Pallando: /* Middle-earth Related Podcasts */</p> <hr /> <div>== Middle-earth Related Podcasts ==<br /> <br /> <br /> ; '''[http://www.mythgard.org/exclusives/riddles-in-the-dark/ Riddles in the Dark]'''<br /> * Created by Corey Olson and Dave Kale, the Mythgard Institute sponsored podcast reviews in-depth information around the upcoming Hobbit movies.<br /> <br /> ; '''[http://radio.mymiddleearth.com/category/casualstrolltomordor A Casual Stroll to Mordor]'''<br /> * A podcast about the on-line game ''Lord of the Rings Online''<br /> <br /> ; '''Tolkien and Old Norse'''<br /> ; ''' The Tolkien Professor'''<br /> ; ''' Middle-earth Network Specials (MEN)'''<br /> ; ''' The Founders' Inklings (MEN)'''<br /> ; ''' Middle-earth Minutes (MEN)'''<br /> ; ''' Middle-earth Talk Radio'''<br /> <br /> <br /> === Related ===<br /> [http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Category:Podcasts Category:Podcasts]</div>

Pallando https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=User:Pallando/Sandbox&diff=205763 2012-07-15T16:50:45Z

<p>Pallando: </p> <hr /> <div>== Middle-earth Related Podcasts ==<br /> <br /> <br /> ; '''[http://www.mythgard.org/exclusives/riddles-in-the-dark/ Riddles in the Dark]'''<br /> * Created by Corey Olson and Dave Kale, the Mythgard Institute sponsored podcast reviews in-depth information around the upcoming Hobbit movies.<br /> <br /> ; '''Tolkien and Old Norse'''<br /> ; ''' The Tolkien Professor'''<br /> ; ''' Middle-earth Network Specials (MEN)'''<br /> ; ''' The Founders' Inklings (MEN)'''<br /> ; ''' Middle-earth Minutes (MEN)'''<br /> ; ''' Middle-earth Talk Radio'''<br /> <br /> <br /> === Related ===<br /> [http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Category:Podcasts Category:Podcasts]</div>

Pallando https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=User:Pallando/Sandbox&diff=205762 2012-07-15T16:49:51Z

<p>Pallando: </p> <hr /> <div>== Middle-earth Related Podcasts ==<br /> <br /> <br /> ; [http://www.mythgard.org/exclusives/riddles-in-the-dark/ Riddles in the Dark]<br /> * Created by Corey Olson and Dave Kale, the Mythgard Institute sponsored podcast reviews in-depth information around the upcoming Hobbit movies.<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> === Related ===<br /> [http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Category:Podcasts Category:Podcasts]</div>

Pallando https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=User:Pallando/Sandbox&diff=205761 2012-07-15T16:48:43Z

<p>Pallando: Initial example of Podcast List</p> <hr /> <div>== Middle-earth Related Podcasts ==<br /> <br /> <br /> * [http://www.mythgard.org/exclusives/riddles-in-the-dark/ Riddles in the Dark]<br /> <br /> <br /> === Related ===<br /> [http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Category:Podcasts Category:Podcasts]</div>

Pallando https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=User:Pallando&diff=193576 2012-05-26T13:40:22Z

<p>Pallando: /* Paraphernalia */</p> <hr /> <div>{{user infobox<br /> | name=Pallando<br /> | language=[[wikipedia:English|English]] <br /> | location=[[wikipedia:Colorado|Colorado]], [[wikipedia:USA|USA]]&lt;/br&gt; <br /> | gender=Male<br /> | {{Edit Count|User=Pallando}}<br /> | userboxes=&lt;div style=&quot;float: center; border:dashed #FF0000 4px; margin: 0px&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;&lt;center&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:maroon&quot;&gt;This user is a '''Member'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/center&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/div&gt;<br /> {{user ref}} <br /> {{user chrome}} <br /> {{user irc}}<br /> {{user interwiki}}<br /> | userboxheight=342px<br /> }}<br /> <br /> Hi, I'm a longtime Tolkien fan and student and am glad to be able to contribute to a resource I find very useful!<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> ===Various things===<br /> ==== Paraphernalia ====<br /> I happen to have a full, bus sized, double sided preview poster for the first Lord of the Rings movie (the one that says &quot;Power can be held in the smallest of things&quot;) framed as well as normal sized poster of the same.<br /> <br /> As of May 2012, I have the following Lord of the Rings LEGO sets:<br /> * 9469 Gandalf Arrives<br /> * 9472 Attack on Weathertop<br /> * 9476 The Orc Forge<br /> * 9470 Shelob Attacks<br /> * 9471 Uruk-hai Army<br /> * 9473 The Mines of Moria<br /> * 9474 The Battle of Helms Deep<br /> <br /> ==== Android and Chrome Extensions ====<br /> I'm the creator of a simple Android app ''[https://market.android.com/details?id=net.bespokesystems.mithlond.namegen Middle-earth Name Generator]'' ([http://goo.gl/9P5Mw overview]) that generates Elf, Hobbit, Dwarf, Adûnaic, and Orc names, intended for fun based upon input.<br /> <br /> I've also created a ''Tengwar Transcriber'' ([http://goo.gl/NktjA overview]) which transcribes the input so that they're properly encoded via [[Dan_Smith|Dan Smith's encodings]]. In beta right now, drop me a note to get access. Will eventually be on the Android Market.<br /> <br /> I'm in process of creating a Chrome extension and an Android app for Helge Fauskanger's Quenya Wordlists ([http://goo.gl/cl5bI overview]).<br /> <br /> ==== Oddities ====<br /> [[File:Valentines-wrath2.jpg|350px]]<br /> <br /> This is the [https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150511872115736&amp;set=a.372277750735.155899.351903015735&amp;type=1&amp;theater winning image] from ''[[War_in_the_north|War in the North]]'''s valentine's day meme competition - created via a screenshot of the YouTube promos of WitN and Google+/Picnik's on-line editing tools.</div>

Pallando https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Athelas&diff=193574 2012-05-26T00:41:08Z

<p>Pallando: Athelas smells differently to the individuals who smell it.</p> <hr /> <div>{{disambig-more|Athelas|[[Athelas (disambiguation)]]}}<br /> {{plants<br /> | image=[[Image:John Howe - Athelas.jpg]]<br /> | name=Athelas<br /> | othernames=Kingsfoil, ''[[asëa aranion]]''<br /> | derivation=<br /> | family=<br /> | location=[[Middle-earth]]<br /> | appearance=<br /> | references=<br /> }}<br /> '''Athelas''', also known as '''Kingsfoil''' or '''''[[asëa aranion]]''''' (&quot;Leaf of Kings&quot;), was a plant with healing powers. <br /> <br /> ==History==<br /> During the [[First Age]] athelas was perhaps growing in [[Beleriand]]. [[Huan]] had found athelas to heal [[Beren]] of his wounds.&lt;ref&gt;{{LB|Leithian}}&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> Athelas also grew on the island of [[Númenor]] and was brought to [[Middle-earth]] by [[Númenóreans]]. It was a sweet-smelling herb which grew sparsely in the North and only in places where the Men of Westernesse had camped or lived, but by the end of the [[Third Age]] only the [[Rangers of the North]] retained the knowledge of its healing properties. <br /> <br /> In Gondor (where the name “kingsfoil” was used) its healing virtues were unknown and its leaves were esteemed only for their refreshing scent but it was especially powerful in the hands of the king, perhaps because of the [[Elvish]] heritage of the royal house. <br /> <br /> It was used by [[Aragorn]] on several occasions: healing [[Frodo]] from the [[Morgul wound]], tend the wounds of Frodo and Sam after the exit from [[Moria]], and, secretly entering [[Minas Tirith]] upon his return to [[Gondor]], to heal those touched by the [[Black Breath]], an act that enhanced his reputation and strengthed his claim to the crown. <br /> <br /> ==Properties and Effects==<br /> <br /> Athelas, when dried and crushed in hot water, is refreshing, clears, calms&lt;ref&gt;{{FR|I12}}&lt;/ref&gt; the minds and strengthens&lt;ref&gt;{{FR|II6}}&lt;/ref&gt; those smelling the scent. It also has a particular scent that is particular to individual who smells the herb:<br /> <br /> * [[Faramir]]'s scent is of &quot;dewy mornings of unshadowed sun... [in which] Spring is itself but a fleeting memory&quot; &lt;ref&gt;{{RK|V8}}&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> * [[Ioreth]] smells &quot;roses of Imloth Melui&quot; of her childhood &lt;ref&gt;{{RK|V8}}&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> * [[Éowyn]] smells no scent as if the air was clean, fresh and had never &quot;been breathed by any living thing and came new-made from snowy mountains high beneath a dome of stars, or from shores of silver far away washed by seas of foam.&quot; &lt;ref&gt;{{RK|V8}}&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> * [[Merry]]'s smell is that of &quot;orchards, and of heather in the sunshine full of bees&quot;<br /> <br /> <br /> [[Image:Athelas from Peter Jackson's The Fellowship of the Ring.jpg|200px|left]]<br /> <br /> ==Etymology==<br /> <br /> ''Athelas'' is a [[Sindarin]] word, consisting of ''[[athae]]'' + ''[[lass]]''.&lt;ref&gt;{{PE|17}}, p. 49&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> ''Kingsfoil'' has the Old French element ''foil'', &quot;leaf&quot; as seen in [[Wikipedia:cinquefoil|cinquefoil]].&lt;ref name=&quot;Nomen&quot;&gt;{{HM|N}}, p. 781&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> ==Other versions of the legendarium==<br /> Athelas was also used by [[Huan]] and [[Lúthien]] to heal wounded [[Beren]] in the early ''[[Lay of Leithian]]''. It contradicts the information from ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'' of it being brought to Middle-earth by [[Númenóreans]], so it was either changed by [[J.R.R. Tolkien|Tolkien]] in later versions of his legendarium, or athelas grew in [[Beleriand]] before it was destroyed, and then brought ''back'' to Middle-earth by Númenóreans in the [[Second Age]].<br /> <br /> ==Appearances outside the legendarium==<br /> Kingsfoil is also mentioned in [[wikipedia:Ursula K. Le Guin|Ursula K. Le Guin]]'s ''[[wikipedia:A Wizard of Earthsea|A Wizard of Earthsea]]'', as one of the herbs in the witch of Gont's hut.&lt;ref&gt;&quot;[http://forum.barrowdowns.com/showthread.php?t=5895 Athelas]&quot;, dated 21 January 2001, at [http://forum.barrowdowns.com/index.php? Forum.BarrowDowns.com] (accessed 13 November 2011)&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> Athelas is also mentioned in the game [[wikipedia:Quest for Glory I|Quest for Glory]].<br /> <br /> ==See also==<br /> * [[:Category:Images of Athelas|Images of Athelas]]<br /> <br /> {{references}}<br /> [[Category:Plants]]<br /> [[Category:Sindarin nouns]]<br /> [[de:Athelas]]<br /> [[fr:encyclo/biologie/flore/athelas]]<br /> [[fi:Athelas]]</div>

Pallando https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=User:Pallando&diff=192073 2012-04-23T18:31:16Z

<p>Pallando: /* Oddities */</p> <hr /> <div>{{user infobox<br /> | name=Pallando<br /> | language=[[wikipedia:English|English]] <br /> | location=[[wikipedia:Colorado|Colorado]], [[wikipedia:USA|USA]]&lt;/br&gt; <br /> | gender=Male<br /> | {{Edit Count|User=Pallando}}<br /> | userboxes=&lt;div style=&quot;float: center; border:dashed #FF0000 4px; margin: 0px&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;&lt;center&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:maroon&quot;&gt;This user is a '''Member'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/center&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/div&gt;<br /> {{user ref}} <br /> {{user chrome}} <br /> {{user irc}}<br /> {{user interwiki}}<br /> | userboxheight=342px<br /> }}<br /> <br /> Hi, I'm a longtime Tolkien fan and student and am glad to be able to contribute to a resource I find very useful!<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> ===Various things===<br /> ==== Paraphernalia ====<br /> I happen to have a full, bus sized, double sided preview poster for the first Lord of the Rings movie (the one that says &quot;Power can be held in the smallest of things&quot;) framed as well as normal sized poster of the same.<br /> <br /> ==== Android and Chrome Extensions ====<br /> I'm the creator of a simple Android app ''[https://market.android.com/details?id=net.bespokesystems.mithlond.namegen Middle-earth Name Generator]'' ([http://goo.gl/9P5Mw overview]) that generates Elf, Hobbit, Dwarf, Adûnaic, and Orc names, intended for fun based upon input.<br /> <br /> I've also created a ''Tengwar Transcriber'' ([http://goo.gl/NktjA overview]) which transcribes the input so that they're properly encoded via [[Dan_Smith|Dan Smith's encodings]]. In beta right now, drop me a note to get access. Will eventually be on the Android Market.<br /> <br /> I'm in process of creating a Chrome extension and an Android app for Helge Fauskanger's Quenya Wordlists ([http://goo.gl/cl5bI overview]).<br /> <br /> ==== Oddities ====<br /> [[File:Valentines-wrath2.jpg|350px]]<br /> <br /> This is the [https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150511872115736&amp;set=a.372277750735.155899.351903015735&amp;type=1&amp;theater winning image] from ''[[War_in_the_north|War in the North]]'''s valentine's day meme competition - created via a screenshot of the YouTube promos of WitN and Google+/Picnik's on-line editing tools.</div>

Pallando https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=User:Pallando&diff=192072 2012-04-23T18:30:29Z

<p>Pallando: /* Android */</p> <hr /> <div>{{user infobox<br /> | name=Pallando<br /> | language=[[wikipedia:English|English]] <br /> | location=[[wikipedia:Colorado|Colorado]], [[wikipedia:USA|USA]]&lt;/br&gt; <br /> | gender=Male<br /> | {{Edit Count|User=Pallando}}<br /> | userboxes=&lt;div style=&quot;float: center; border:dashed #FF0000 4px; margin: 0px&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;&lt;center&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:maroon&quot;&gt;This user is a '''Member'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/center&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/div&gt;<br /> {{user ref}} <br /> {{user chrome}} <br /> {{user irc}}<br /> {{user interwiki}}<br /> | userboxheight=342px<br /> }}<br /> <br /> Hi, I'm a longtime Tolkien fan and student and am glad to be able to contribute to a resource I find very useful!<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> ===Various things===<br /> ==== Paraphernalia ====<br /> I happen to have a full, bus sized, double sided preview poster for the first Lord of the Rings movie (the one that says &quot;Power can be held in the smallest of things&quot;) framed as well as normal sized poster of the same.<br /> <br /> ==== Android and Chrome Extensions ====<br /> I'm the creator of a simple Android app ''[https://market.android.com/details?id=net.bespokesystems.mithlond.namegen Middle-earth Name Generator]'' ([http://goo.gl/9P5Mw overview]) that generates Elf, Hobbit, Dwarf, Adûnaic, and Orc names, intended for fun based upon input.<br /> <br /> I've also created a ''Tengwar Transcriber'' ([http://goo.gl/NktjA overview]) which transcribes the input so that they're properly encoded via [[Dan_Smith|Dan Smith's encodings]]. In beta right now, drop me a note to get access. Will eventually be on the Android Market.<br /> <br /> I'm in process of creating a Chrome extension and an Android app for Helge Fauskanger's Quenya Wordlists ([http://goo.gl/cl5bI overview]).<br /> <br /> ==== Oddities ====<br /> [[File:Valentines-wrath2.jpg|350px]]<br /> <br /> This is the [https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150511872115736&amp;set=a.372277750735.155899.351903015735&amp;type=1&amp;theater winning image] from ''[[War_in_the_north|War in the North]]'''s valentine's day meme competition.</div>

Pallando https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Tolkien_Gateway_talk:Meetings/6_May_2012&diff=192020 2012-04-18T20:44:20Z

<p>Pallando: </p> <hr /> <div>Please put any ideas for the agenda and any general discussion here. If you are going to attend (or not), please sign your name below.<br /> ==Attendees==<br /> # {{User:KingAragorn/sig}}<br /> # [[User:Pallando|Pallando]] 20:44, 18 April 2012 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Non-Attendees==<br /> <br /> ==Ideas for Agenda==<br /> <br /> ==Discussion==<br /> <br /> __NOTOC__</div>

Pallando https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:The_Dragon%27s_Visit&diff=191715 2012-04-11T22:35:43Z

<p>Pallando: Created page with &quot;A copy of the original &#039;&#039;Oxford Magazine&#039;&#039; Feb 4, 1937 published version is posted [http://twilightswarden.wordpress.com/2010/11/13/feature-the-dragons-visit/ on the Warden&#039;s Wal...&quot;</p> <hr /> <div>A copy of the original ''Oxford Magazine'' Feb 4, 1937 published version is posted [http://twilightswarden.wordpress.com/2010/11/13/feature-the-dragons-visit/ on the Warden's Walk blog] while an excerpt of the alternative ending (1969 version) can be found on [http://ihaveaninkling.blogspot.com/2007_11_01_archive.html I Have An Inkling blog]. [[User:Pallando|Pallando]] 22:35, 11 April 2012 (UTC)</div>

Pallando https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Fell_beasts&diff=190860 2012-04-04T02:19:19Z

<p>Pallando: Article stated that the fell beast killed theoden; this is untrue. A dart from the Nazgul did. cf RotK, Chapter 6</p> <hr /> <div>{{race<br /> | image=[[Image:John_Howe_-_Nazgul.jpg|225px]]<br /> | name=Fell beasts <br /> | dominions=<br /> | languages=<br /> | height=Unknown<br /> | length=Unknown<br /> | skincolor=Unknown<br /> | haircolor=<br /> | feathers=<br /> | distinctions=Wings<br /> | lifespan=Unknown<br /> | members=<br /> }}<br /> '''Fell beasts''',&lt;ref name=V6&gt;{{RK|V6}}&lt;/ref&gt; '''hell-hawks''',&lt;ref&gt;{{RK|V4}}&lt;/ref&gt; and '''Nazgûl-birds''',&lt;ref&gt;{{L|100}}&lt;/ref&gt; were names used to describe the flying creatures on which the [[Nazgûl]] rode after being unhorsed at the [[Ford of Bruinen]]. <br /> ==History==<br /> <br /> The fell beasts were winged creatures with beak and claws, similar to birds but much larger than any other flying beast. The creature possessed a naked body without feathers, a long neck, and a vast hide between its horned fingers. Furthermore, the body of the creature gave off a stench.&lt;ref name=V6/&gt;<br /> <br /> &quot;[...] it was a winged creature: if bird, then greater than all other birds, and it was naked, and neither quill nor feather did it bear, and its vast pinions were as webs of hide between horned fingers; and it stank. A creature of an older world maybe it was [...]&quot;<br /> <br /> <br /> While the exact origin of the beasts is unknown, they were likely bred by Sauron from a creature of the [[Elder Days]], in order to supply the Nazgûl with steeds.&lt;ref name=V6/&gt;<br /> <br /> It is never stated that ''all'' the Nazgûl rode these flying creatures, but some{{who}} infer that they did so.<br /> <br /> On the River [[Anduin]] near [[Sarn Gebir]], [[Legolas]] shot one down in the night as it approached the [[Fellowship of the Ring]].&lt;ref&gt;{{FR|II9}}&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> During the [[Battle of the Pelennor Fields]], the [[Witch-king]] of [[Angmar]], the Lord of the Nazgûl, rode his fell beast in battle against King [[Théoden]] of [[Rohan]]. The Lord of the Nazgûl, riding the evil beast, shot a dart which killed [[Snowmane]], Théoden's horse (which fell on Théoden, crushing him). Dernhelm (who revealed herself as [[Éowyn]]) defended the dying Théoden, and challenged and killed the beast.&lt;ref name=V6/&gt;<br /> <br /> ==Inspiration==<br /> <br /> Asked about the nature of the &quot;steed of the Witch-king&quot;, [[J.R.R. Tolkien|Tolkien]] replied that the fell beast was not intended to be ''[[Wikipedia:pterosaur|pterodactylic]]'', but hesitantly acknowledges that it resembles a ''pterosaur'' and may have been a survivor of older geological eras.&lt;ref&gt;{{L|211}}&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> ==Etymology==<br /> <br /> As in the expression &quot;fell things&quot; occurring earlier in ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'',&lt;ref&gt;{{FR|I3}}&lt;/ref&gt; the word ''[[Wiktionary:fell#Etymology_4|fell]]'' in this sense is an archaic English word meaning &quot;dreadful, terrible&quot;.&lt;ref&gt;{{HM|RC}}, p. 110&lt;/ref&gt; <br /> <br /> It may also be noted that the expression &quot;fell beasts&quot; is not used solely for the winged steeds of the Nazgûl: it was also used as a descriptor for various evil creatures of Mirkwood.&lt;ref&gt;{{FR|II10}}&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> == Portrayal in Adaptations ==<br /> <br /> &lt;center&gt;&lt;gallery perrow=4&gt;<br /> File:File-Witchking and Fell beast (1980).png|&lt;center&gt;[[The Return of the King (1980 film)|''The Return of the King'' (1980)]]<br /> File:Fell beast (Liz Danforth).png|&lt;center&gt;&quot;Fell beast&quot; in ''[[Middle-earth Role Playing]]''<br /> File:Wild Fell Beast.jpg|&lt;center&gt;&quot;Wild Fell Beast&quot; in ''[[Middle-earth Collectible Card Game]]''<br /> File:Fell Beast descends.jpg|&lt;center&gt;Fell beast descending in ''[[The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy]]''<br /> File:SBG - Fell beast.jpeg|&lt;center&gt;''[[The Lord of the Rings Strategy Battle Game]]''<br /> File:Hell-hawk.png|&lt;center&gt;&quot;Hell-hawk&quot; in ''[[The Lord of the Rings Roleplaying Game]]''<br /> File:LOTR-WITN-Fell Beast-1.png|&lt;center&gt;&quot;Fell beast&quot; in ''[[The Lord of the Rings: War in the North]]''<br /> &lt;/gallery&gt;&lt;/center&gt;<br /> <br /> '''1978: ''[[The Lord of the Rings (1978 film)|The Lord of the Rings]]'':'''<br /> :One of the Nazgûl (possibly the Witch-king, for he carries a mace), is shown riding a fell beast. However, Bakshi's film only covers events up to the [[Battle of the Hornburg]], so that is the last we see of the fell beasts and their riders.<br /> <br /> '''1980: ''[[The Return of the King (1980 film)|The Return of the King]]'':'''<br /> :The Nazgûl ride winged horses. In the confrontation of Éowyn and the Witch-king, the latter rode a plump black-grey dragon-like animal. <br /> <br /> '''1982-97: ''[[Middle-earth Role Playing]]'':'''<br /> : The Fell Beasts are said to likely be &quot;distant relatives of ancient [[Cold-drakes]]&quot;, and &quot;grow to lengths of 30 feet (with 30-35-foot wingspans)&quot;. In the middle Third Age they live in mountainous areas of [[Mirkwood]], presumably because of the [[Necromancer]]'s presence at [[Dol Guldur]]. They are used as steeds by both the Nazgûl and a few [[Olog-hai]] warlords.&lt;ref&gt;{{ICE|2019}}&lt;/ref&gt;&lt;ref group=&quot;note&quot;&gt;In the supplement, ''[[Creatures of Middle-earth (2nd edition)|Creatures of Middle-earth]]'', the Fell beasts are said to be &quot;presumably bred from Winged-drakes&quot; and to have a body between 15-25 feet and a wingspan between 30-40 feet.&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> '''1995-8: ''[[Middle-earth Collectible Card Game]]'':'''<br /> :'Fell Beast' increases the number of strikes of one Nazgûl hazard-creature. 'Wild Fell Beast' is a Drake which attacks with three strikes. With the card 'Fell Rider' the Ringwraith may move to a non-Darkhaven site (without allies and followers). <br /> <br /> '''2001: ''[[The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy]]'':'''<br /> :The fell beasts are depicted as more [[Dragons|Dragon]]-like and serpentine creatures, i.e. their heads appear more like a snake's and they do not have beaks. This depiction came largely from [[John Howe]]'s influence.<br /> <br /> :In the films, the fell beasts are used for attack much more often than in the books, with the Nazgûl usually swooping down and screeching, making the defenders at the gate of Minas Tirith run away, leaving [[Gandalf]] alone to face the Witch-king as he enters.<br /> <br /> :Although on screen the films never make this mistake, sometimes cast or crew members ([[Lawrence Makoare]] and [[Richard Taylor]] most notably) on the commentary tracks and the documentaries refer to the fell beast as a Nazgûl; this is incorrect. The fell beast is the creature that the nine Nazgûl ride, and the mistake probably arose because fell beasts are always seen with a Nazgûl atop them.<br /> <br /> '''2001-: ''[[The Lord of the Rings Strategy Battle Game]]'':'''<br /> :The Fell Beasts are portrayed without beaks, reminiscent of the depiction&lt;!-- visual interpretation by User:Morgan --&gt; in ''The Lord of the Rings: The Motion Picture Trilogy''.&lt;ref&gt;[http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/catalog/productDetail.jsp?prodId=prod480006a&amp;amp;_requestid=1321389 Winged Nazgûl] at [http://www.games-workshop.com/ Games-workshop.com] (accessed 10 June 2011)&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> '''2002-5: ''[[The Lord of the Rings Roleplaying Game]]'':'''<br /> :Hell-hawks, employed as mounts by the Ringwraiths and found wild in southern Mirkwood and (after the War of the Ring) in Gondor, resemble a &quot;cross between lizards and featherless birds&quot;. They were bred by Sauron in mockery of the [[Eagles|Great Eagles]].&lt;ref&gt;{{D|Fell}}, pp. 30-31&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> '''2011: ''[[The Lord of the Rings: War in the North]]'':'''<br /> :Agandaûr has several Fell beasts under his control. At the end of Chapter 1, Agandaûr flees on the back of one of them.&lt;ref&gt;[[The Lord of the Rings: War in the North]], Chapter 1: Fornost, ''Citadel Tower''&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> ==See also==<br /> *[[:Category:Images of Fell beasts|Images of Fell beasts]]<br /> {{references|note}}<br /> [[Category:Other races]]<br /> [[de:Reittiere der Nazgûl#Flugwesen]]<br /> [[fi:Sormusaaveiden siivekkäät ratsut]]</div>

Pallando https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Tolkien_Gateway:Meetings&diff=187891 2012-03-05T00:06:00Z

<p>Pallando: /* Previous Meetings */</p> <hr /> <div>'''Tolkien Gateway: Meetings''' are online monthly meetings held on the first Sunday of every month at 8pm UTC. The meeting takes place in the #Wiki channel of Tolkien Gateway's [[Tolkien Gateway:Chat|IRC network]]. The specific time of each meeting for your time zone is available on each meeting page (see links below). Before each meeting users can can put forward their ideas for discussion by using the talk page. In addition, users should note down their intention to attend using the same talk page. Transcripts for most meetings are available for non-attendees to read.<br /> <br /> ==Upcoming Meetings==<br /> *'''[[Tolkien Gateway:Meetings/{{#ifexpr:{{#time:d}}&gt;{{MFS|{{#time:F}}|{{#time:Y}}}}| {{MFS| {{#time:F| 15 {{#time:F Y}} +1month}}|{{#ifexpr:{{#time:m}}=11|{{#time:Y|+ 1 year}}|{{#time:Y}}}}}} {{#time:F| 15 {{#time:F Y}} +1month}} {{#time:Y}} |{{MFS|{{#time:F}}|{{#time:Y}}}} {{#time:F Y}}}}|Sunday {{#ifexpr:{{#time:d}}&gt;{{MFS|{{#time:F}}|{{#time:Y}}}}| {{MFS| {{#time:F| 15 {{#time:F Y}} +1month}}|{{#ifexpr:{{#time:m}}=11|{{#time:Y|+ 1 year}}|{{#time:Y}}}}}} {{#time:F| 15 {{#time:F Y}} +1month}} {{#time:Y}} |{{MFS|{{#time:F}}|{{#time:Y}}}} {{#time:F Y}}}}]]''' - &lt;small&gt;([[Tolkien Gateway talk:Meetings/{{#ifexpr:{{#time:d}}&gt;{{MFS|{{#time:F}}|{{#time:Y}}}}| {{MFS| {{#time:F| 15 {{#time:F Y}} +1month}}|{{#ifexpr:{{#time:m}}=11|{{#time:Y|+ 1 year}}|{{#time:Y}}}}}} {{#time:F| 15 {{#time:F Y}} +1month}} {{#time:Y}} |{{MFS|{{#time:F}}|{{#time:Y}}}} {{#time:F Y}}}}|Talk page]])&lt;/small&gt;<br /> <br /> ==Previous Meetings==<br /> {| align=&quot;center&quot; width=&quot;100%&quot; <br /> |- style=&quot;text-align: center;vertical-align:top; background-color:#CCCCCC; font-size:100%; font-style:normal&quot;<br /> ! style=&quot;width:70px&quot;| Meeting<br /> ! 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Notes<br /> |- style=&quot;font-size:100%; text-align: center; background-color:#E4F2D9;&quot;<br /> | #1<br /> | [[Tolkien Gateway:Meetings/17 August 2008|17 August 2008]]<br /> | [[Tolkien Gateway talk:Meetings/17 August 2008|Here]]<br /> | [[Tolkien Gateway:Meetings/17 August 2008/Transcript|Yes]]<br /> | N/A<br /> |- style=&quot;font-size:100%; text-align: center; background-color:#E4F2D9;&quot;<br /> | #2<br /> | [[Tolkien Gateway:Meetings/24 August 2008|24 August 2008]]<br /> | [[Tolkien Gateway talk:Meetings/24 August 2008|Here]]<br /> | [[Tolkien Gateway:Meetings/24 August 2008/Transcript|Yes]]<br /> | N/A<br /> |- style=&quot;font-size:100%; text-align: center; background-color:#E4F2D9;&quot;<br /> | #3<br /> | [[Tolkien Gateway:Meetings/31 August 2008|31 August 2008]]<br /> | [[Tolkien Gateway talk:Meetings/31 August 2008|Here]]<br /> | [[Tolkien Gateway:Meetings/31 August 2008/Transcript|Yes]]<br /> | N/A<br /> |- style=&quot;font-size:100%; text-align: center; background-color:#E4F2D9;&quot;<br /> | #4<br /> | [[Tolkien Gateway:Meetings/7 September 2008|7 September 2008]]<br /> | [[Tolkien Gateway talk:Meetings/7 September 2008|Here]]<br /> | [[Tolkien Gateway:Meetings/7 September 2008/Transcript|Yes]]<br /> | N/A<br /> |- style=&quot;font-size:100%; text-align: center; background-color:#E4F2D9;&quot;<br /> | #5<br /> | [[Tolkien Gateway:Meetings/14 September 2008|14 September 2008]]<br /> | [[Tolkien Gateway talk:Meetings/14 September 2008|Here]]<br /> | No<br /> | N/A<br /> |- style=&quot;font-size:100%; text-align: center; background-color:#E4F2D9;&quot;<br /> | #6<br /> | [[Tolkien Gateway:Meetings/21 September 2008|21 September 2008]]<br /> | [[Tolkien Gateway talk:Meetings/21 September 2008|Here]]<br /> | No<br /> | N/A<br /> |- style=&quot;font-size:100%; text-align: center; background-color:#E4F2D9;&quot;<br /> | #7<br /> | [[Tolkien Gateway:Meetings/28 September 2008|28 September 2008]]<br /> | [[Tolkien Gateway talk:Meetings/28 September 2008|Here]]<br /> | [[Tolkien Gateway:Meetings/28 September 2008/Transcript|Yes]]<br /> | N/A<br /> |- style=&quot;font-size:80%; text-align: center; background-color:#E4F2D9;&quot;<br /> | —<br /> | ''5 October 2008''<br /> | ''[[Tolkien Gateway talk:Meetings/5 October 2008|Here]]''<br /> | '' No''<br /> | ''Cancelled''<br /> |- style=&quot;font-size:100%; text-align: center; background-color:#E4F2D9;&quot;<br /> | #8<br /> | [[Tolkien Gateway:Meetings/12 October 2008|12 October 2008]]<br /> | [[Tolkien Gateway talk:Meetings/12 October 2008|Here]]<br /> | [[Tolkien Gateway:Meetings/12 October 2008/Transcript|Yes]]<br /> | N/A<br /> |- style=&quot;font-size:100%; text-align: center; background-color:#E4F2D9;&quot;<br /> | #9<br /> | [[Tolkien Gateway:Meetings/19 October 2008|19 October 2008]]<br /> | [[Tolkien Gateway talk:Meetings/19 October 2008|Here]]<br /> | No<br /> | N/A<br /> |- style=&quot;font-size:100%; text-align: center; background-color:#E4F2D9;&quot;<br /> | #10<br /> | [[Tolkien Gateway:Meetings/26 October 2008|26 October 2008]]<br /> | [[Tolkien Gateway talk:Meetings/26 October 2008|Here]]<br /> | No<br /> | N/A<br /> |- style=&quot;font-size:80%; text-align: center; background-color:#E4F2D9;&quot;<br /> | —<br /> | ''2 November 2008''<br /> | N/A<br /> | ''No''<br /> | ''Cancelled''<br /> |- style=&quot;font-size:80%; text-align: center; background-color:#E4F2D9;&quot;<br /> | —<br /> | ''[[Tolkien Gateway:Meetings/9 November 2008|9 November 2008]]''<br /> | ''[[Tolkien Gateway talk:Meetings/9 November 2008|Here]]''<br /> | ''No''<br /> | ''Cancelled''<br /> |- style=&quot;font-size:80%; text-align: center; background-color:#E4F2D9;&quot;<br /> | —<br /> | ''16 November 2008''<br /> | ''N/A''<br /> | ''No''<br /> | ''Cancelled''<br /> |- style=&quot;font-size:80%; text-align: center; background-color:#E4F2D9;&quot;<br /> | —<br /> | ''[[Tolkien Gateway:Meetings/23 November 2008|23 November 2008]]''<br /> | ''[[Tolkien Gateway talk:Meetings/23 November 2008|Here]]''<br /> | ''No''<br /> | ''Cancelled''<br /> |- style=&quot;font-size:100%; text-align: center; background-color:#E4F2D9;&quot;<br /> | #11<br /> | [[Tolkien Gateway:Meetings/5 April 2009|5 April 2009]]<br /> | [[Tolkien Gateway talk:Meetings/5 April 2009|Here]]<br /> | No<br /> | N/A<br /> |- style=&quot;font-size:80%; text-align: center; background-color:#E4F2D9;&quot;<br /> | —<br /> | ''[[Tolkien Gateway:Meetings/13 April 2009|13 April 2009]]''<br /> | ''[[Tolkien Gateway talk:Meetings/13 April 2009|Here]]''<br /> | ''No''<br /> | ''Cancelled''<br /> |- style=&quot;font-size:100%; 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Pallando https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Tolkien_Gateway:Meetings/4_March_2012/Transcript&diff=187875 2012-03-04T23:07:20Z

<p>Pallando: </p> <hr /> <div>&lt;poem&gt;<br /> --- Day changed Sun Mar 04 2012<br /> 11:23 -!- KingAragorn [KA@tolkiengateway-3D6E606D.bb.sky.com] has joined #Wiki<br /> 12:47 &lt; Pallando&gt; Ah, that there is: http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Tolkien_Gateway:Manual_of_Style<br /> 12:52 -!- Ederchil [52484f7d@tolkiengateway-D44A77C9.mibbit.com] has joined #Wiki<br /> 12:57 * Hyarion waves<br /> 12:58 -!- Morgan [Morgan@tolkiengateway-6BEC789.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #Wiki<br /> 12:59 -!- Amroth [3eeef969@tolkiengateway-ECDDD92B.mibbit.com] has joined #Wiki<br /> 13:01 * Hyarion waves<br /> 13:01 &lt; Ederchil&gt; crickets<br /> 13:01 &lt; Ederchil&gt; crickets<br /> 13:01 &lt; Ederchil&gt; tumbleweed<br /> 13:02 &lt; Pallando&gt; Heh<br /> 13:04 &lt; Pallando&gt; I was looking at the outline structure of the Bilbo article and comparing it with a few others.<br /> 13:04 &lt; Pallando&gt; This document:goo.gl/gzdSZ<br /> 13:04 &lt; Pallando&gt; http://goo.gl/gzdSZ<br /> 13:06 &lt; Pallando&gt; I'm not sure if we want to normalize all the articles with a consistent base structure and optional additional sections, but I figured it'd be useful to see the variations.<br /> 13:06 &lt; Morgan&gt; Hm, good questions<br /> 13:08 &lt; Morgan&gt; I like normalization/standardisation<br /> 13:08 &lt; Amroth&gt; Good research.<br /> 13:10 &lt; Pallando&gt; I'd like to write a little api script that trolls some pages and notes variations, but that's for later.<br /> 13:10 &lt; Pallando&gt; Feel free to edit that document, btw.<br /> 13:14 &lt; Pallando&gt; But I guess the topic was specifically the Bilbo article, not necessarily comparative analysis :)<br /> 13:14 &lt; Amroth&gt; Yeah, though we can discuss that aswell.<br /> 13:15 &lt; Amroth&gt; Did KingAragorn say i he would be late earlier today?<br /> 13:16 &lt; Pallando&gt; He didn't mention, though he is on and was active earlier in both this and #tolkiengateway<br /> 13:16 &lt; Pallando&gt; We were briefly chatting about the spreadsheet.<br /> 13:17 &lt; Amroth&gt; okay, hopely he return soon.<br /> 13:17 &lt; Pallando&gt; Return of the King!<br /> 13:17 &lt; Amroth&gt; he will return*<br /> 13:18 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Should we start without him?<br /> 13:19 &lt; Amroth&gt; Maybe, we should wait a little more.<br /> 13:26 &lt; Amroth&gt; Though, maybe we should start now.<br /> 13:26 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Agreed<br /> 13:27 &lt; Pallando&gt; Let's.<br /> 13:27 &lt; Morgan&gt; Ederchil: you up for leading?<br /> 13:27 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Give me a sec<br /> 13:27 &lt; Morgan&gt; np<br /> 13:28 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Welcome to the nth meeting! In attendance are Amroth, Ederchil, Morgan, Pallando. Absent are KingAragorn and Astald<br /> 13:28 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Doesn't KA have a standard for that?<br /> 13:28 &lt; Morgan&gt; :)<br /> 13:29 &lt; Ederchil&gt; First point: Discussion of what should be done to improve Bilbo Baggins.<br /> 13:29 &lt; Amroth&gt; http://www.tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Bilbo_Baggins<br /> 13:30 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Well, for one, the double header under Genealogy needs to go.<br /> 13:30 &lt; Pallando&gt; Agreed.<br /> 13:30 &lt; Amroth&gt; +1<br /> 13:31 &lt; Amroth&gt; Maybe splitting Early Information and Adventures.<br /> 13:31 &lt; Amroth&gt; There's some pre-Hobbit information in UT,<br /> 13:31 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Yes.<br /> 13:32 &lt; Ederchil&gt; I don't like the names section<br /> 13:32 &lt; Amroth&gt; A section about the Long Expected Journey, I think we can find enough information for that.<br /> 13:32 &lt; Ederchil&gt; * Early life<br /> 13:32 &lt; Ederchil&gt; * The Hobbit<br /> 13:32 &lt; Morgan&gt; Names: should it be simplified?<br /> 13:32 &lt; Pallando&gt; +1 A dedicated section to the upcoming movies<br /> 13:32 &lt; Ederchil&gt; * 2950-3001<br /> 13:32 &lt; Morgan&gt; For example,<br /> 13:33 &lt; Ederchil&gt; I'm still fleshing out History<br /> 13:33 &lt; Morgan&gt; *Names given to Bilbo during his conversation with Smaug: ...<br /> 13:33 &lt; Ederchil&gt; * Long Expected Party<br /> 13:33 &lt; Ederchil&gt; * Rivendell<br /> 13:33 &lt; Ederchil&gt; * Passage West.<br /> 13:33 &lt; Ederchil&gt; ?<br /> 13:34 &lt; Amroth&gt; We should also mention Bilbo's travels to Dale.<br /> 13:34 &lt; Pallando&gt; I don't mind that, except I would leave &quot;2950-3001&quot; to &quot;The Years Between&quot;<br /> 13:34 &lt; Ederchil&gt; I couldn't think of a title<br /> 13:34 &lt; Amroth&gt; Agree with Pallando.<br /> 13:35 &lt; Pallando&gt; Some title, rather than numbers. Raw numbers are a bit daunting to newcomers.<br /> 13:35 &lt; Ederchil&gt; It wasn't meant as a title<br /> 13:35 &lt; Ederchil&gt; just a description of the era<br /> 13:35 * Pallando nods<br /> 13:36 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Rivendell would need something about the travel to Dale<br /> 13:36 &lt; Amroth&gt; Personally I prefer Adventures as tittle for The Hobbit.<br /> 13:36 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Also not meant as a title.<br /> 13:36 &lt; Morgan&gt; Oh, just found that the double header under Genealogy derives from a template<br /> 13:36 &lt; Pallando&gt; Orly<br /> 13:36 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Needs a &lt;noinclude&gt;<br /> 13:37 &lt; Pallando&gt; I retract my previous +1 re: movies, as there is already an article for them. :)<br /> 13:38 &lt; Morgan&gt; Yeah, I'm not so found about special sections for the movies<br /> 13:38 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Just as part of Portrayal<br /> 13:38 &lt; Morgan&gt; yep<br /> 13:38 &lt; Amroth&gt; I think that could be dealt within portrayal.<br /> 13:38 &lt; Pallando&gt; Especially when there's more depth in a dedicated article.<br /> 13:38 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Which is a bit concise<br /> 13:39 &lt; Amroth&gt; Though, we could split it in movies and games (as Morgan suggested).<br /> 13:39 &lt; Pallando&gt; I like the categorization of the History section btw, Ederchil, regardless of title.<br /> 13:39 &lt; Morgan&gt; *tittle<br /> 13:40 &lt; Pallando&gt; +1 Subsections for In Movies &amp; In Games under &quot;Portrayals...&quot;<br /> 13:40 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Oh yeah. I knew I forgot something. I was supposed to come up with a draft for that after the last meeting<br /> 13:40 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Or was it two meetings ago?<br /> 13:41 * Pallando wasn't at either :)<br /> 13:42 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Does anyone have other suggestions?<br /> 13:42 &lt; Morgan&gt; Any ideas for the names section?<br /> 13:42 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Shove it under Etym<br /> 13:42 &lt; Amroth&gt; Other versions of the legendarium<br /> 13:42 &lt; Amroth&gt; And more expansion in adaptations.<br /> 13:43 &lt; Pallando&gt; Nah, maybe under History?<br /> 13:43 &lt; Pallando&gt; I don't think etymology's the right place for epithets and titles.<br /> 13:43 &lt; Morgan&gt; But...didn't we agree last meeting to have one section for &quot;Etymology&quot; and one for &quot;Other names and titles&quot;?<br /> 13:43 &lt; Ederchil&gt; I honestly can't remember<br /> 13:43 &lt; Amroth&gt; Wasn't that more like 7 meetings ago.<br /> 13:44 &lt; Amroth&gt; When we were discussing IPA.<br /> 13:44 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Wow. Pallando, now you can see how effective these meetings are ;)<br /> 13:44 * Pallando shrugs :)<br /> 13:44 &lt; Pallando&gt; I'm logging so we can make &quot;action items&quot; afterwards :)<br /> 13:45 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Yeah, we need a transcript too<br /> 13:45 &lt; Pallando&gt; On it.<br /> 13:45 &lt; Ederchil&gt; So, just to recap:<br /> 13:45 &lt; Morgan&gt; Where are the old transcripts?<br /> 13:45 &lt; Amroth&gt; Well, someone has to add outcome.<br /> 13:45 &lt; Ederchil&gt; * History<br /> 13:45 &lt; Ederchil&gt; ** Early life<br /> 13:45 &lt; Ederchil&gt; ** Adventures<br /> 13:46 &lt; Amroth&gt; Like here:<br /> 13:46 &lt; Amroth&gt; http://www.tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Tolkien_Gateway:Meetings/6_March_2011<br /> 13:46 &lt; Ederchil&gt; ** The Years Between<br /> 13:46 &lt; Ederchil&gt; ** The Long Expected Party<br /> 13:46 &lt; Amroth&gt; Morgan: http://www.tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Category:Tolkien_Gateway_Meeting_Transcripts<br /> 13:46 &lt; Ederchil&gt; ** Journey to Dale/Rivendell/Whatever<br /> 13:46 &lt; Pallando&gt; My other suggestion would be to discuss normalization at a later meeting.<br /> 13:46 &lt; Pallando&gt; That's nice, Amroth.<br /> 13:46 &lt; Ederchil&gt; ** Passage West<br /> 13:46 &lt; Morgan&gt; Here's the etymology stuff: http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Tolkien_Gateway:Meetings/8_January_2012/Transcript<br /> 13:46 &lt; Ederchil&gt; * Etymology<br /> 13:47 &lt; Ederchil&gt; * Other names<br /> 13:47 &lt; Amroth&gt; At begin or end of transcript?<br /> 13:47 &lt; Ederchil&gt; * Other versions<br /> 13:47 &lt; Ederchil&gt; * Genealogy<br /> 13:47 &lt; Ederchil&gt; * PiA<br /> 13:47 &lt; Morgan&gt; (just do ctr+f Etymology)<br /> 13:47 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Did I forget anything?<br /> 13:48 &lt; Morgan&gt; I don't think so<br /> 13:48 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Next point?<br /> 13:48 &lt; Morgan&gt; Maybe<br /> 13:48 &lt; Amroth&gt; Maybe &quot;Names and titles&quot; instead of only &quot;Other names&quot;, or doesn't Bilbo have any titles?<br /> 13:48 &lt; Morgan&gt; ** PiA Films<br /> 13:48 &lt; Ederchil&gt; ** PiA Games<br /> 13:48 &lt; Morgan&gt; ** PiA Games<br /> 13:48 &lt; Morgan&gt; ** PiA Other<br /> 13:48 &lt; Pallando&gt; ** PiA<br /> 13:48 &lt; Pallando&gt; *** Films<br /> 13:48 &lt; Ederchil&gt; ** PiA Board.Card<br /> 13:48 &lt; Pallando&gt; *** Games<br /> 13:48 &lt; Pallando&gt; **** Card<br /> 13:48 &lt; Pallando&gt; **** Board<br /> 13:49 &lt; Amroth&gt; ****Merchandise<br /> 13:49 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Working on that<br /> 13:49 &lt; Morgan&gt; Hm<br /> 13:49 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Probably have time to do it on wednesday<br /> 13:49 &lt; Amroth&gt; Though, maybe we should just have Films, Games and Other.<br /> 13:49 &lt; Morgan&gt; Can't a title be said to be a kind of name?<br /> 13:50 &lt; Pallando&gt; A title's a formal one, though.<br /> 13:50 &lt; Amroth&gt; I will try to expand FOTR and WITN next weekend.<br /> 13:50 &lt; Pallando&gt; I'd agree with that, Amroth - simplify as much as possible.<br /> 13:50 &lt; Ederchil&gt; +1 Amroth<br /> 13:50 &lt; Amroth&gt; I already did 1982 Hobbit and 1990 FOTR.<br /> 13:50 &lt; Ederchil&gt; We might need to discuss a Decipher policy with that, though<br /> 13:51 &lt; Amroth&gt; Does anybody have 2003 Hobbit and Aragorn's Quest?<br /> 13:51 &lt; Ederchil&gt; I have 2003 Hobbit<br /> 13:51 &lt; Ederchil&gt; not played in a while, and I lost all my savegames<br /> 13:51 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Last time I played, I was stuck at the trolls<br /> 13:52 &lt; Morgan&gt; Just a thought about these video games: can't many be found on YouTube? Then it's easy for anyone to check the validity of a statement<br /> 13:52 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Many have walkthroughs<br /> 13:52 &lt; Morgan&gt; I just did that for the BfM-e Rise of the WItch-King stuff<br /> 13:52 &lt; Amroth&gt; Personally I prefer chapter sources.<br /> 13:53 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Or both<br /> 13:53 &lt; Morgan&gt; I understand your point, Amroth, but isn't it important to be able to check the reference? A reference &quot;inside&quot; a game requires you to actualy play through it! <br /> 13:54 &lt; Morgan&gt; And if it's an old game, you might not be able to run it on a modern computer<br /> 13:54 &lt; Morgan&gt; +1 Ederchil, when possible<br /> 13:54 &lt; Amroth&gt; I see what you mean.<br /> 13:54 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Try War of the Ring, for example.<br /> 13:54 &lt; Ederchil&gt; You can't play it on Vista<br /> 13:54 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Well, you can, but you can't save<br /> 13:55 &lt; Amroth&gt; I can't save my WotR :(<br /> 13:56 &lt; Ederchil&gt; I never got past level 2 because it's a pretty boring game<br /> 13:56 &lt; Pallando&gt; Heh<br /> 13:56 &lt; Amroth&gt; I doubt, though, that all games have a walkthrough on youtube.<br /> 13:56 &lt; Amroth&gt; I think it's a great game.<br /> 13:56 &lt; Pallando&gt; Someone fire up an XP vm and do one!<br /> 13:56 &lt; Amroth&gt; Especially the Catapult level is nice.<br /> 13:56 &lt; Ederchil&gt; WotR doesn't, IIRC<br /> 13:57 &lt; Morgan&gt; Sure, I just mean that when a statement is questioned or controversial, it might be good to make a reference to a video clip of the game (when such are found on youtube)<br /> 13:57 &lt; Ederchil&gt; A sort of &quot;pics or it didn't happen&quot; policy?<br /> 13:57 &lt; Amroth&gt; Morgan's video does only include the movie, though.<br /> 13:58 &lt; Amroth&gt; only the movie*<br /> 13:58 &lt; Ederchil&gt; And the walkthrough of FotR ignores Arwen.<br /> 13:58 &lt; Morgan&gt; Eerchil: maybe only for questioned or controversial statements<br /> 14:00 &lt; Ederchil&gt; brb<br /> 14:00 &lt; Amroth&gt; I doubt that walkthroughs will focus on story and background.<br /> 14:01 &lt; Morgan&gt; For example, when the new user questioned Arveleg I as being part of the Rise of Witch-king, <br /> 14:01 &lt; Amroth&gt; They would have to make 3 walkthroughs for WITN for example.<br /> 14:01 &lt; Morgan&gt; I did a search on google trying to find a source for it<br /> 14:01 &lt; Morgan&gt; First, I only found other wikis, and became a bit sceptical<br /> 14:01 &lt; Morgan&gt; But when seeing the film clip from the game, I thought it became clear the new user was right<br /> 14:01 &lt; Amroth&gt; As the game gives different information for every playable character.<br /> 14:02 &lt; Morgan&gt; WITN?<br /> 14:02 &lt; Amroth&gt; http://www.tolkiengateway.net/wiki/WITN<br /> 14:03 &lt; Amroth&gt; Well, Arveleg I died in Chapter 4. So it is impossible anyway for him to appear in the Epilogue.<br /> 14:04 &lt; Ederchil&gt; The palantir was destroyed before the epilogue<br /> 14:04 &lt; Ederchil&gt; IIRC<br /> 14:06 &lt; Ederchil&gt; I need to replay it to be sure. I still have savegames.<br /> 14:06 &lt; Amroth&gt; I've lost mine, when the old PC crashed :(<br /> 14:06 &lt; Amroth&gt; I was at Fornost, but I stopped there.<br /> 14:06 &lt; Ederchil&gt; That's my problem with 2003 Hobbit<br /> 14:07 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Anyway, are we ready for the next point?<br /> 14:07 &lt; Pallando&gt; Sure.<br /> 14:07 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Amroth has the floor: his is not meant against anyone, but if I lookto the changes made to The Hobbit this month, we haven't made any improvement on it. It's still a copy of Wikipedia. Although, some section of Sauron and Gandalf have been improved most of the article haven't. If the same happens with the next article, Bilbo Baggins, I fear the Countown will <br /> 14:07 &lt; Amroth&gt; I'll replay it one day and rewrite the article.<br /> 14:07 &lt; Ederchil&gt; *this<br /> 14:07 &lt; Ederchil&gt; *looks up in the sky, whistling innocently*<br /> 14:08 &lt; Ederchil&gt; not work as hoped. How can we stimulate people to edit more on the &quot;Countdown&quot;-articles? -<br /> 14:09 &lt; Amroth&gt; Does anyone have ideas?<br /> 14:09 &lt; Pallando&gt; I'm unclear on the question.<br /> 14:10 &lt; Morgan&gt; Someone should win a lot of money and pay the bunch of us to edit full-time<br /> 14:10 &lt; Amroth&gt; Can't we let Hyarion pay us.<br /> 14:10 &lt; Morgan&gt; :P<br /> 14:10 &lt; Pallando&gt; Oh, we need ideas on how to get people contributing :)<br /> 14:10 &lt; Amroth&gt; yeah<br /> 14:11 &lt; Morgan&gt; yrah<br /> 14:11 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Isn't that Mith's job?<br /> 14:11 &lt; Ederchil&gt; *hobby<br /> 14:11 &lt; Ederchil&gt; *volunteer work<br /> 14:11 &lt; Amroth&gt; http://www.tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=The_Hobbit&amp;action=historysubmit&amp;diff=186924&amp;oldid=175891<br /> 14:12 &lt; Amroth&gt; That's all we changed since the countdown changed.<br /> 14:12 &lt; Amroth&gt; It's still a copy of wikipedia.<br /> 14:12 &lt; Pallando&gt; What's the 'countdown'?<br /> 14:12 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Wait, we still had the screenplay link in?<br /> 14:12 &lt; Amroth&gt; I've to go thoug<br /> 14:12 &lt; Amroth&gt; Bye<br /> 14:12 -!- Amroth [3eeef969@tolkiengateway-ECDDD92B.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client]<br /> 14:12 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Good night<br /> 14:13 &lt; Morgan&gt; Pallando: I'll try to find a link for you<br /> 14:13 &lt; Pallando&gt; Bug bounties, recognition on the main page of top contributors, etc?<br /> 14:13 &lt; Morgan&gt; Or, just look at the main page<br /> 14:13 &lt; Pallando&gt; Looking.<br /> 14:13 &lt; Pallando&gt; I hate to say it, but ... badges?<br /> 14:13 &lt; Morgan&gt; There's a section for the &quot;Countdown to The Hobbit&quot;<br /> 14:13 &lt; Morgan&gt; sorry?<br /> 14:14 &lt; Morgan&gt; badges?<br /> 14:14 &lt; Pallando&gt; I see, so anything and everything related to, but starting from, The Hobbit?<br /> 14:14 &lt; Morgan&gt; No, no<br /> 14:14 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Do we have badges? Is this Wikia?<br /> 14:14 &lt; Pallando&gt; Yeah, little icons near contributors names that indicate their level of contribution.<br /> 14:15 &lt; Pallando&gt; I know, I know, I'm just trying to stimulate ideas :)<br /> 14:15 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Next thing we know is we'll get that damned Message Wall<br /> 14:15 &lt; Morgan&gt; We chose a couple of important articles related to The Hobbit in a meeting<br /> 14:15 &lt; Morgan&gt; That need improvement<br /> 14:15 &lt; Pallando&gt; Ok, strike that idea! :p<br /> 14:15 &lt; Ederchil&gt; I like the unmissable orange header.<br /> 14:15 &lt; Pallando&gt; Morgan: Aha, ok. That makes more sense. Is there a list?<br /> 14:15 &lt; Pallando&gt; http://www.tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Forum:Countdown_to_The_Hobbit:_An_Unexpected_Journey_-_The_Hobbit<br /> 14:16 &lt; Morgan&gt; Pallando: ah, now I see - I thought you meant http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Badgers<br /> 14:16 &lt; Morgan&gt; Somewhere, I'd guess :)<br /> 14:16 &lt; Morgan&gt; KA most often takes care of such things<br /> 14:16 &lt; Pallando&gt; Heh, badgers.<br /> 14:17 &lt; Morgan&gt; I thought you were dissing my article! ;)<br /> 14:17 &lt; Pallando&gt; Well, I'd suggest, at the very least, recognition of the users who are contributing to the Countdown to The Hobbit pages.<br /> 14:18 &lt; Ederchil&gt; but how?<br /> 14:18 &lt; Pallando&gt; We could write something that counts the number of edits by users during a specific period.<br /> 14:19 -!- mib_1sveou [3eeef969@tolkiengateway-87DEAA8D.mibbit.com] has joined #Wiki<br /> 14:19 &lt; Morgan&gt; To be honest, though, I'm a bit indifferent to such highlights as &quot;Countdowns&quot;. But maybe other users are more keen on it.<br /> 14:19 &lt; mib_1sveou&gt; I like the countdown<br /> 14:19 &lt; Morgan&gt; Amroth?<br /> 14:20 &lt; Pallando&gt; I like the idea of trying to focus the community on a particular set of pages that need improvement.<br /> 14:20 &lt; Ederchil&gt; no, mib_1sveou <br /> 14:20 &lt; Ederchil&gt; :0<br /> 14:20 &lt; Pallando&gt; Heh<br /> 14:20 &lt; Morgan&gt; :D<br /> 14:20 &lt; Ederchil&gt; I can't believe I actually typed that correctly.<br /> 14:21 &lt; Morgan&gt; mib1_1sveou: are you Amroth come back in a different shape, or another user?<br /> 14:21 &lt; mib_1sveou&gt; yes, Morgan. (on mobile)<br /> 14:21 &lt; Pallando&gt; It's Amroth the White<br /> 14:21 &lt; Morgan&gt; Amroth: you should be sleeping now! Are you cheating using your phone in bed!?<br /> 14:22 &lt; Morgan&gt; It's school tomorrow!<br /> 14:22 &lt; Ederchil&gt; It's only 22:20<br /> 14:22 -!- mib_1sveou is now known as Smooth-mobile<br /> 14:22 &lt; Ederchil&gt; I'm sure glad I don't have the Monday 9 lecture like last semester<br /> 14:22 &lt; Smooth-mobile&gt; brb<br /> 14:23 &lt; Morgan&gt; Alright, any more input on the Countdown stuff?<br /> 14:23 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Other than, &quot;I really should do something&quot;? Nope.<br /> 14:24 &lt; Morgan&gt; Yeah, that's the problem! ;)<br /> 14:25 &lt; Pallando&gt; Heh. I like it? Is that input?<br /> 14:27 &lt; Morgan&gt; Something drastical would be to remove copied text completely<br /> 14:27 &lt; Morgan&gt; Then users would be &quot;forced&quot; to add information<br /> 14:27 &lt; Pallando&gt; Well, maybe on the discussion page, we can have an explicit list of sections that need to be rewritten because of being copied.<br /> 14:28 &lt; Morgan&gt; Fair enough<br /> 14:28 &lt; Morgan&gt; We often do something similar with hidden comments within the articles<br /> 14:28 &lt; Ederchil&gt; &lt;!-- --&gt;<br /> 14:29 &lt; Morgan&gt; I remember that user Gamling, who often seems keen on doing this kind of work, has asked for more such comments<br /> 14:29 &lt; Morgan&gt; Especially in articles which have a &lt;nowiki&gt;{{Rewrite}}&lt;/nowiki&gt;<br /> 14:29 -!- Smooth-mobile is now known as Amroth-mobile<br /> 14:29 &lt; Pallando&gt; Ah, well, that is a good idea. Something in-line that is a todo, notes or otherwise, is useful. It might be good to then have something there that does point to the discussion page.<br /> 14:30 &lt; Morgan&gt; (i.e., to explicitly state that this section needs a rewrite because of being copier word-for-word)<br /> 14:30 &lt; Morgan&gt; *copied<br /> 14:30 &lt; Amroth-mobile&gt; i hate autoconfirm<br /> 14:30 &lt; Amroth-mobile&gt; maybe on the forum page<br /> 14:31 &lt; Morgan&gt; So, in other words, I think it's naive to expect that such large articles as The Hobbit, Bilbo Baggins, etc will quickly be fixed (within a month). <br /> 14:31 &lt; Ederchil&gt; I think you are correct.<br /> 14:32 &lt; Pallando&gt; For larger things like that, someone should prioritize what parts need rewritten.<br /> 14:32 &lt; Amroth-mobile&gt; I fear I've to agree<br /> 14:32 &lt; Morgan&gt; Yeah<br /> 14:32 &lt; Pallando&gt; That way, folks that are looking to do a little here or there can have some direction.<br /> 14:32 &lt; Morgan&gt; Yes, that's often how you work on a wiki.<br /> 14:33 &lt; Pallando&gt; :)<br /> 14:33 &lt; Pallando&gt; I'm suggesting that *we* direct them a bit more.<br /> 14:33 &lt; Morgan&gt; &quot;you&quot; as in the &quot;general you&quot;, of course! :)<br /> 14:36 &lt; Amroth-mobile&gt; Should we then use more time for these articles<br /> 14:36 &lt; Amroth-mobile&gt; so we've one finished article instead of 3 unfinished<br /> 14:37 &lt; Morgan&gt; Not sure<br /> 14:38 &lt; Morgan&gt; I'd guess we can just leave as it is, hopefully new users will be attracted because of the Hobbit films and start editing those articles anyway<br /> 14:38 &lt; Morgan&gt; Even though it might be after our Countdown has finished<br /> 14:38 &lt; Amroth-mobile&gt; maybe<br /> 14:39 &lt; Pallando&gt; I expect we'll get an uptick after the movie, too.<br /> 14:41 &lt; Morgan&gt; You know, we all have different reasons for being on TG - personally, I'm attracted to how useful it is to have a hyperlinked database, so I can add all those little notes about odd publications and letters, linguistic stuff, etc. I didn't join TG to work on the Frodo and Legolas articles, even though I occasionally do edit such &quot;main&quot; articles.<br /> 14:42 &lt; Ederchil&gt; That's pretty common on wikis, actually.<br /> 14:42 &lt; Morgan&gt; Yeah, I guess it's often a problem with wikis, as well<br /> 14:42 &lt; Pallando&gt; I agree with that. I do see the need for some pulling together to do housekeeping every now and again.<br /> 14:43 &lt; Amroth-mobile&gt; Same as Morgan here<br /> 14:44 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Legolas has been needing attention for how many years now?<br /> 14:45 &lt; Morgan&gt; In my opinion, our great advantage is that we currently are many editors which are serious and knowledgable. If someone tries to add (often unknowingly) false information, we don't let it pass. And slowly, the information already found on the wiki will be improved, with references and editing of copied text. But it's not anything which will be done quickly!<br /> 14:46 &lt; Pallando&gt; Agreed.<br /> 14:47 &lt; Pallando&gt; How are we on topics for this meeting?<br /> 14:47 &lt; Morgan&gt; :)<br /> 14:47 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Really? Because I have no idea if Finarfin's hair is black ro blond<br /> 14:47 &lt; Ederchil&gt; I think we're through the topics<br /> 14:48 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Shall we call the meeting closed?<br /> 14:48 * Morgan is out with the dog - will be back in 20 minutes if meeting is still running<br /> 14:49 &lt; Morgan&gt; yeah, I think we can close<br /> 14:49 &lt; Pallando&gt; +1<br /> 14:49 &lt; Morgan&gt; Ederchil: thanks for leading<br /> 14:49 &lt; Amroth-mobile&gt; I think we're done<br /> 14:50 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Then I officially declare this meeting over.<br /> &lt;/poem&gt;<br /> <br /> [[Category:Tolkien Gateway Meeting Transcripts|{{#time:Y m d|{{#titleparts: {{PAGENAME}}| 1 | 2 }}}}]]</div>

Pallando https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Tolkien_Gateway:Meetings/4_March_2012/Transcript&diff=187865 2012-03-04T21:51:04Z

<p>Pallando: Final transcript.</p> <hr /> <div>&lt;poem&gt;<br /> --- Day changed Sun Mar 04 2012<br /> 11:23 -!- KingAragorn [KA@tolkiengateway-3D6E606D.bb.sky.com] has joined #Wiki<br /> 12:47 &lt; Pallando&gt; Ah, that there is: http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Tolkien_Gateway:Manual_of_Style<br /> 12:52 -!- Ederchil [52484f7d@tolkiengateway-D44A77C9.mibbit.com] has joined #Wiki<br /> 12:57 * Hyarion waves<br /> 12:58 -!- Morgan [Morgan@tolkiengateway-6BEC789.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #Wiki<br /> 12:59 -!- Amroth [3eeef969@tolkiengateway-ECDDD92B.mibbit.com] has joined #Wiki<br /> 13:01 * Hyarion waves<br /> 13:01 &lt; Ederchil&gt; crickets<br /> 13:01 &lt; Ederchil&gt; crickets<br /> 13:01 &lt; Ederchil&gt; tumbleweed<br /> 13:02 &lt; Pallando&gt; Heh<br /> 13:04 &lt; Pallando&gt; I was looking at the outline structure of the Bilbo article and comparing it with a few others.<br /> 13:04 &lt; Pallando&gt; This document:goo.gl/gzdSZ<br /> 13:04 &lt; Pallando&gt; http://goo.gl/gzdSZ<br /> 13:06 &lt; Pallando&gt; I'm not sure if we want to normalize all the articles with a consistent base structure and optional additional sections, but I figured it'd be useful to see the variations.<br /> 13:06 &lt; Morgan&gt; Hm, good questions<br /> 13:08 &lt; Morgan&gt; I like normalization/standardisation<br /> 13:08 &lt; Amroth&gt; Good research.<br /> 13:10 &lt; Pallando&gt; I'd like to write a little api script that trolls some pages and notes variations, but that's for later.<br /> 13:10 &lt; Pallando&gt; Feel free to edit that document, btw.<br /> 13:14 &lt; Pallando&gt; But I guess the topic was specifically the Bilbo article, not necessarily comparative analysis :)<br /> 13:14 &lt; Amroth&gt; Yeah, though we can discuss that aswell.<br /> 13:15 &lt; Amroth&gt; Did KingAragorn say i he would be late earlier today?<br /> 13:16 &lt; Pallando&gt; He didn't mention, though he is on and was active earlier in both this and #tolkiengateway<br /> 13:16 &lt; Pallando&gt; We were briefly chatting about the spreadsheet.<br /> 13:17 &lt; Amroth&gt; okay, hopely he return soon.<br /> 13:17 &lt; Pallando&gt; Return of the King!<br /> 13:17 &lt; Amroth&gt; he will return*<br /> 13:18 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Should we start without him?<br /> 13:19 &lt; Amroth&gt; Maybe, we should wait a little more.<br /> 13:26 &lt; Amroth&gt; Though, maybe we should start now.<br /> 13:26 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Agreed<br /> 13:27 &lt; Pallando&gt; Let's.<br /> 13:27 &lt; Morgan&gt; Ederchil: you up for leading?<br /> 13:27 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Give me a sec<br /> 13:27 &lt; Morgan&gt; np<br /> 13:28 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Welcome to the nth meeting! In attendance are Amroth, Ederchil, Morgan, Pallando. Absent are KingAragorn and Astald<br /> 13:28 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Doesn't KA have a standard for that?<br /> 13:28 &lt; Morgan&gt; :)<br /> 13:29 &lt; Ederchil&gt; First point: Discussion of what should be done to improve Bilbo Baggins.<br /> 13:29 &lt; Amroth&gt; http://www.tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Bilbo_Baggins<br /> 13:30 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Well, for one, the double header under Genealogy needs to go.<br /> 13:30 &lt; Pallando&gt; Agreed.<br /> 13:30 &lt; Amroth&gt; +1<br /> 13:31 &lt; Amroth&gt; Maybe splitting Early Information and Adventures.<br /> 13:31 &lt; Amroth&gt; There's some pre-Hobbit information in UT,<br /> 13:31 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Yes.<br /> 13:32 &lt; Ederchil&gt; I don't like the names section<br /> 13:32 &lt; Amroth&gt; A section about the Long Expected Journey, I think we can find enough information for that.<br /> 13:32 &lt; Ederchil&gt; * Early life<br /> 13:32 &lt; Ederchil&gt; * The Hobbit<br /> 13:32 &lt; Morgan&gt; Names: should it be simplified?<br /> 13:32 &lt; Pallando&gt; +1 A dedicated section to the upcoming movies<br /> 13:32 &lt; Ederchil&gt; * 2950-3001<br /> 13:32 &lt; Morgan&gt; For example,<br /> 13:33 &lt; Ederchil&gt; I'm still fleshing out History<br /> 13:33 &lt; Morgan&gt; *Names given to Bilbo during his conversation with Smaug: ...<br /> 13:33 &lt; Ederchil&gt; * Long Expected Party<br /> 13:33 &lt; Ederchil&gt; * Rivendell<br /> 13:33 &lt; Ederchil&gt; * Passage West.<br /> 13:33 &lt; Ederchil&gt; ?<br /> 13:34 &lt; Amroth&gt; We should also mention Bilbo's travels to Dale.<br /> 13:34 &lt; Pallando&gt; I don't mind that, except I would leave &quot;2950-3001&quot; to &quot;The Years Between&quot;<br /> 13:34 &lt; Ederchil&gt; I couldn't think of a title<br /> 13:34 &lt; Amroth&gt; Agree with Pallando.<br /> 13:35 &lt; Pallando&gt; Some title, rather than numbers. Raw numbers are a bit daunting to newcomers.<br /> 13:35 &lt; Ederchil&gt; It wasn't meant as a title<br /> 13:35 &lt; Ederchil&gt; just a description of the era<br /> 13:35 * Pallando nods<br /> 13:36 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Rivendell would need something about the travel to Dale<br /> 13:36 &lt; Amroth&gt; Personally I prefer Adventures as tittle for The Hobbit.<br /> 13:36 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Also not meant as a title.<br /> 13:36 &lt; Morgan&gt; Oh, just found that the double header under Genealogy derives from a template<br /> 13:36 &lt; Pallando&gt; Orly<br /> 13:36 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Needs a &lt;noinclude&gt;<br /> 13:37 &lt; Pallando&gt; I retract my previous +1 re: movies, as there is already an article for them. :)<br /> 13:38 &lt; Morgan&gt; Yeah, I'm not so found about special sections for the movies<br /> 13:38 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Just as part of Portrayal<br /> 13:38 &lt; Morgan&gt; yep<br /> 13:38 &lt; Amroth&gt; I think that could be dealt within portrayal.<br /> 13:38 &lt; Pallando&gt; Especially when there's more depth in a dedicated article.<br /> 13:38 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Which is a bit concise<br /> 13:39 &lt; Amroth&gt; Though, we could split it in movies and games (as Morgan suggested).<br /> 13:39 &lt; Pallando&gt; I like the categorization of the History section btw, Ederchil, regardless of title.<br /> 13:39 &lt; Morgan&gt; *tittle<br /> 13:40 &lt; Pallando&gt; +1 Subsections for In Movies &amp; In Games under &quot;Portrayals...&quot;<br /> 13:40 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Oh yeah. I knew I forgot something. I was supposed to come up with a draft for that after the last meeting<br /> 13:40 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Or was it two meetings ago?<br /> 13:41 * Pallando wasn't at either :)<br /> 13:42 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Does anyone have other suggestions?<br /> 13:42 &lt; Morgan&gt; Any ideas for the names section?<br /> 13:42 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Shove it under Etym<br /> 13:42 &lt; Amroth&gt; Other versions of the legendarium<br /> 13:42 &lt; Amroth&gt; And more expansion in adaptations.<br /> 13:43 &lt; Pallando&gt; Nah, maybe under History?<br /> 13:43 &lt; Pallando&gt; I don't think etymology's the right place for epithets and titles.<br /> 13:43 &lt; Morgan&gt; But...didn't we agree last meeting to have one section for &quot;Etymology&quot; and one for &quot;Other names and titles&quot;?<br /> 13:43 &lt; Ederchil&gt; I honestly can't remember<br /> 13:43 &lt; Amroth&gt; Wasn't that more like 7 meetings ago.<br /> 13:44 &lt; Amroth&gt; When we were discussing IPA.<br /> 13:44 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Wow. Pallando, now you can see how effective these meetings are ;)<br /> 13:44 * Pallando shrugs :)<br /> 13:44 &lt; Pallando&gt; I'm logging so we can make &quot;action items&quot; afterwards :)<br /> 13:45 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Yeah, we need a transcript too<br /> 13:45 &lt; Pallando&gt; On it.<br /> 13:45 &lt; Ederchil&gt; So, just to recap:<br /> 13:45 &lt; Morgan&gt; Where are the old transcripts?<br /> 13:45 &lt; Amroth&gt; Well, someone has to add outcome.<br /> 13:45 &lt; Ederchil&gt; * History<br /> 13:45 &lt; Ederchil&gt; ** Early life<br /> 13:45 &lt; Ederchil&gt; ** Adventures<br /> 13:46 &lt; Amroth&gt; Like here:<br /> 13:46 &lt; Amroth&gt; http://www.tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Tolkien_Gateway:Meetings/6_March_2011<br /> 13:46 &lt; Ederchil&gt; ** The Years Between<br /> 13:46 &lt; Ederchil&gt; ** The Long Expected Party<br /> 13:46 &lt; Amroth&gt; Morgan: http://www.tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Category:Tolkien_Gateway_Meeting_Transcripts<br /> 13:46 &lt; Ederchil&gt; ** Journey to Dale/Rivendell/Whatever<br /> 13:46 &lt; Pallando&gt; My other suggestion would be to discuss normalization at a later meeting.<br /> 13:46 &lt; Pallando&gt; That's nice, Amroth.<br /> 13:46 &lt; Ederchil&gt; ** Passage West<br /> 13:46 &lt; Morgan&gt; Here's the etymology stuff: http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Tolkien_Gateway:Meetings/8_January_2012/Transcript<br /> 13:46 &lt; Ederchil&gt; * Etymology<br /> 13:47 &lt; Ederchil&gt; * Other names<br /> 13:47 &lt; Amroth&gt; At begin or end of transcript?<br /> 13:47 &lt; Ederchil&gt; * Other versions<br /> 13:47 &lt; Ederchil&gt; * Genealogy<br /> 13:47 &lt; Ederchil&gt; * PiA<br /> 13:47 &lt; Morgan&gt; (just do ctr+f Etymology)<br /> 13:47 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Did I forget anything?<br /> 13:48 &lt; Morgan&gt; I don't think so<br /> 13:48 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Next point?<br /> 13:48 &lt; Morgan&gt; Maybe<br /> 13:48 &lt; Amroth&gt; Maybe &quot;Names and titles&quot; instead of only &quot;Other names&quot;, or doesn't Bilbo have any titles?<br /> 13:48 &lt; Morgan&gt; ** PiA Films<br /> 13:48 &lt; Ederchil&gt; ** PiA Games<br /> 13:48 &lt; Morgan&gt; ** PiA Games<br /> 13:48 &lt; Morgan&gt; ** PiA Other<br /> 13:48 &lt; Pallando&gt; ** PiA<br /> 13:48 &lt; Pallando&gt; *** Films<br /> 13:48 &lt; Ederchil&gt; ** PiA Board.Card<br /> 13:48 &lt; Pallando&gt; *** Games<br /> 13:48 &lt; Pallando&gt; **** Card<br /> 13:48 &lt; Pallando&gt; **** Board<br /> 13:49 &lt; Amroth&gt; ****Merchandise<br /> 13:49 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Working on that<br /> 13:49 &lt; Morgan&gt; Hm<br /> 13:49 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Probably have time to do it on wednesday<br /> 13:49 &lt; Amroth&gt; Though, maybe we should just have Films, Games and Other.<br /> 13:49 &lt; Morgan&gt; Can't a title be said to be a kind of name?<br /> 13:50 &lt; Pallando&gt; A title's a formal one, though.<br /> 13:50 &lt; Amroth&gt; I will try to expand FOTR and WITN next weekend.<br /> 13:50 &lt; Pallando&gt; I'd agree with that, Amroth - simplify as much as possible.<br /> 13:50 &lt; Ederchil&gt; +1 Amroth<br /> 13:50 &lt; Amroth&gt; I already did 1982 Hobbit and 1990 FOTR.<br /> 13:50 &lt; Ederchil&gt; We might need to discuss a Decipher policy with that, though<br /> 13:51 &lt; Amroth&gt; Does anybody have 2003 Hobbit and Aragorn's Quest?<br /> 13:51 &lt; Ederchil&gt; I have 2003 Hobbit<br /> 13:51 &lt; Ederchil&gt; not played in a while, and I lost all my savegames<br /> 13:51 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Last time I played, I was stuck at the trolls<br /> 13:52 &lt; Morgan&gt; Just a thought about these video games: can't many be found on YouTube? Then it's easy for anyone to check the validity of a statement<br /> 13:52 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Many have walkthroughs<br /> 13:52 &lt; Morgan&gt; I just did that for the BfM-e Rise of the WItch-King stuff<br /> 13:52 &lt; Amroth&gt; Personally I prefer chapter sources.<br /> 13:53 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Or both<br /> 13:53 &lt; Morgan&gt; I understand your point, Amroth, but isn't it important to be able to check the reference? A reference &quot;inside&quot; a game requires you to actualy play through it! <br /> 13:54 &lt; Morgan&gt; And if it's an old game, you might not be able to run it on a modern computer<br /> 13:54 &lt; Morgan&gt; +1 Ederchil, when possible<br /> 13:54 &lt; Amroth&gt; I see what you mean.<br /> 13:54 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Try War of the Ring, for example.<br /> 13:54 &lt; Ederchil&gt; You can't play it on Vista<br /> 13:54 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Well, you can, but you can't save<br /> 13:55 &lt; Amroth&gt; I can't save my WotR :(<br /> 13:56 &lt; Ederchil&gt; I never got past level 2 because it's a pretty boring game<br /> 13:56 &lt; Pallando&gt; Heh<br /> 13:56 &lt; Amroth&gt; I doubt, though, that all games have a walkthrough on youtube.<br /> 13:56 &lt; Amroth&gt; I think it's a great game.<br /> 13:56 &lt; Pallando&gt; Someone fire up an XP vm and do one!<br /> 13:56 &lt; Amroth&gt; Especially the Catapult level is nice.<br /> 13:56 &lt; Ederchil&gt; WotR doesn't, IIRC<br /> 13:57 &lt; Morgan&gt; Sure, I just mean that when a statement is questioned or controversial, it might be good to make a reference to a video clip of the game (when such are found on youtube)<br /> 13:57 &lt; Ederchil&gt; A sort of &quot;pics or it didn't happen&quot; policy?<br /> 13:57 &lt; Amroth&gt; Morgan's video does only include the movie, though.<br /> 13:58 &lt; Amroth&gt; only the movie*<br /> 13:58 &lt; Ederchil&gt; And the walkthrough of FotR ignores Arwen.<br /> 13:58 &lt; Morgan&gt; Eerchil: maybe only for questioned or controversial statements<br /> 14:00 &lt; Ederchil&gt; brb<br /> 14:00 &lt; Amroth&gt; I doubt that walkthroughs will focus on story and background.<br /> 14:01 &lt; Morgan&gt; For example, when the new user questioned Arveleg I as being part of the Rise of Witch-king, <br /> 14:01 &lt; Amroth&gt; They would have to make 3 walkthroughs for WITN for example.<br /> 14:01 &lt; Morgan&gt; I did a search on google trying to find a source for it<br /> 14:01 &lt; Morgan&gt; First, I only found other wikis, and became a bit sceptical<br /> 14:01 &lt; Morgan&gt; But when seeing the film clip from the game, I thought it became clear the new user was right<br /> 14:01 &lt; Amroth&gt; As the game gives different information for every playable character.<br /> 14:02 &lt; Morgan&gt; WITN?<br /> 14:02 &lt; Amroth&gt; http://www.tolkiengateway.net/wiki/WITN<br /> 14:03 &lt; Amroth&gt; Well, Arveleg I died in Chapter 4. So it is impossible anyway for him to appear in the Epilogue.<br /> 14:04 &lt; Ederchil&gt; The palantir was destroyed before the epilogue<br /> 14:04 &lt; Ederchil&gt; IIRC<br /> 14:06 &lt; Ederchil&gt; I need to replay it to be sure. I still have savegames.<br /> 14:06 &lt; Amroth&gt; I've lost mine, when the old PC crashed :(<br /> 14:06 &lt; Amroth&gt; I was at Fornost, but I stopped there.<br /> 14:06 &lt; Ederchil&gt; That's my problem with 2003 Hobbit<br /> 14:07 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Anyway, are we ready for the next point?<br /> 14:07 &lt; Pallando&gt; Sure.<br /> 14:07 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Amroth has the floor: his is not meant against anyone, but if I lookto the changes made to The Hobbit this month, we haven't made any improvement on it. It's still a copy of Wikipedia. Although, some section of Sauron and Gandalf have been improved most of the article haven't. If the same happens with the next article, Bilbo Baggins, I fear the Countown will <br /> 14:07 &lt; Amroth&gt; I'll replay it one day and rewrite the article.<br /> 14:07 &lt; Ederchil&gt; *this<br /> 14:07 &lt; Ederchil&gt; *looks up in the sky, whistling innocently*<br /> 14:08 &lt; Ederchil&gt; not work as hoped. How can we stimulate people to edit more on the &quot;Countdown&quot;-articles? -<br /> 14:09 &lt; Amroth&gt; Does anyone have ideas?<br /> 14:09 &lt; Pallando&gt; I'm unclear on the question.<br /> 14:10 &lt; Morgan&gt; Someone should win a lot of money and pay the bunch of us to edit full-time<br /> 14:10 &lt; Amroth&gt; Can't we let Hyarion pay us.<br /> 14:10 &lt; Morgan&gt; :P<br /> 14:10 &lt; Pallando&gt; Oh, we need ideas on how to get people contributing :)<br /> 14:10 &lt; Amroth&gt; yeah<br /> 14:11 &lt; Morgan&gt; yrah<br /> 14:11 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Isn't that Mith's job?<br /> 14:11 &lt; Ederchil&gt; *hobby<br /> 14:11 &lt; Ederchil&gt; *volunteer work<br /> 14:11 &lt; Amroth&gt; http://www.tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=The_Hobbit&amp;action=historysubmit&amp;diff=186924&amp;oldid=175891<br /> 14:12 &lt; Amroth&gt; That's all we changed since the countdown changed.<br /> 14:12 &lt; Amroth&gt; It's still a copy of wikipedia.<br /> 14:12 &lt; Pallando&gt; What's the 'countdown'?<br /> 14:12 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Wait, we still had the screenplay link in?<br /> 14:12 &lt; Amroth&gt; I've to go thoug<br /> 14:12 &lt; Amroth&gt; Bye<br /> 14:12 -!- Amroth [3eeef969@tolkiengateway-ECDDD92B.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client]<br /> 14:12 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Good night<br /> 14:13 &lt; Morgan&gt; Pallando: I'll try to find a link for you<br /> 14:13 &lt; Pallando&gt; Bug bounties, recognition on the main page of top contributors, etc?<br /> 14:13 &lt; Morgan&gt; Or, just look at the main page<br /> 14:13 &lt; Pallando&gt; Looking.<br /> 14:13 &lt; Pallando&gt; I hate to say it, but ... badges?<br /> 14:13 &lt; Morgan&gt; There's a section for the &quot;Countdown to The Hobbit&quot;<br /> 14:13 &lt; Morgan&gt; sorry?<br /> 14:14 &lt; Morgan&gt; badges?<br /> 14:14 &lt; Pallando&gt; I see, so anything and everything related to, but starting from, The Hobbit?<br /> 14:14 &lt; Morgan&gt; No, no<br /> 14:14 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Do we have badges? Is this Wikia?<br /> 14:14 &lt; Pallando&gt; Yeah, little icons near contributors names that indicate their level of contribution.<br /> 14:15 &lt; Pallando&gt; I know, I know, I'm just trying to stimulate ideas :)<br /> 14:15 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Next thing we know is we'll get that damned Message Wall<br /> 14:15 &lt; Morgan&gt; We chose a couple of important articles related to The Hobbit in a meeting<br /> 14:15 &lt; Morgan&gt; That need improvement<br /> 14:15 &lt; Pallando&gt; Ok, strike that idea! :p<br /> 14:15 &lt; Ederchil&gt; I like the unmissable orange header.<br /> 14:15 &lt; Pallando&gt; Morgan: Aha, ok. That makes more sense. Is there a list?<br /> 14:15 &lt; Pallando&gt; http://www.tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Forum:Countdown_to_The_Hobbit:_An_Unexpected_Journey_-_The_Hobbit<br /> 14:16 &lt; Morgan&gt; Pallando: ah, now I see - I thought you meant http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Badgers<br /> 14:16 &lt; Morgan&gt; Somewhere, I'd guess :)<br /> 14:16 &lt; Morgan&gt; KA most often takes care of such things<br /> 14:16 &lt; Pallando&gt; Heh, badgers.<br /> 14:17 &lt; Morgan&gt; I thought you were dissing my article! ;)<br /> 14:17 &lt; Pallando&gt; Well, I'd suggest, at the very least, recognition of the users who are contributing to the Countdown to The Hobbit pages.<br /> 14:18 &lt; Ederchil&gt; but how?<br /> 14:18 &lt; Pallando&gt; We could write something that counts the number of edits by users during a specific period.<br /> 14:19 -!- mib_1sveou [3eeef969@tolkiengateway-87DEAA8D.mibbit.com] has joined #Wiki<br /> 14:19 &lt; Morgan&gt; To be honest, though, I'm a bit indifferent to such highlights as &quot;Countdowns&quot;. But maybe other users are more keen on it.<br /> 14:19 &lt; mib_1sveou&gt; I like the countdown<br /> 14:19 &lt; Morgan&gt; Amroth?<br /> 14:20 &lt; Pallando&gt; I like the idea of trying to focus the community on a particular set of pages that need improvement.<br /> 14:20 &lt; Ederchil&gt; no, mib_1sveou <br /> 14:20 &lt; Ederchil&gt; :0<br /> 14:20 &lt; Pallando&gt; Heh<br /> 14:20 &lt; Morgan&gt; :D<br /> 14:20 &lt; Ederchil&gt; I can't believe I actually typed that correctly.<br /> 14:21 &lt; Morgan&gt; mib1_1sveou: are you Amroth come back in a different shape, or another user?<br /> 14:21 &lt; mib_1sveou&gt; yes, Morgan. (on mobile)<br /> 14:21 &lt; Pallando&gt; It's Amroth the White<br /> 14:21 &lt; Morgan&gt; Amroth: you should be sleeping now! Are you cheating using your phone in bed!?<br /> 14:22 &lt; Morgan&gt; It's school tomorrow!<br /> 14:22 &lt; Ederchil&gt; It's only 22:20<br /> 14:22 -!- mib_1sveou is now known as Smooth-mobile<br /> 14:22 &lt; Ederchil&gt; I'm sure glad I don't have the Monday 9 lecture like last semester<br /> 14:22 &lt; Smooth-mobile&gt; brb<br /> 14:23 &lt; Morgan&gt; Alright, any more input on the Countdown stuff?<br /> 14:23 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Other than, &quot;I really should do something&quot;? Nope.<br /> 14:24 &lt; Morgan&gt; Yeah, that's the problem! ;)<br /> 14:25 &lt; Pallando&gt; Heh. I like it? Is that input?<br /> 14:27 &lt; Morgan&gt; Something drastical would be to remove copied text completely<br /> 14:27 &lt; Morgan&gt; Then users would be &quot;forced&quot; to add information<br /> 14:27 &lt; Pallando&gt; Well, maybe on the discussion page, we can have an explicit list of sections that need to be rewritten because of being copied.<br /> 14:28 &lt; Morgan&gt; Fair enough<br /> 14:28 &lt; Morgan&gt; We often do something similar with hidden comments within the articles<br /> 14:28 &lt; Ederchil&gt; &lt;!-- --&gt;<br /> 14:29 &lt; Morgan&gt; I remember that user Gamling, who often seems keen on doing this kind of work, has asked for more such comments<br /> 14:29 &lt; Morgan&gt; Especially in articles which have a {{Rewrite}}<br /> 14:29 -!- Smooth-mobile is now known as Amroth-mobile<br /> 14:29 &lt; Pallando&gt; Ah, well, that is a good idea. Something in-line that is a todo, notes or otherwise, is useful. It might be good to then have something there that does point to the discussion page.<br /> 14:30 &lt; Morgan&gt; (i.e., to explicitly state that this section needs a rewrite because of being copier word-for-word)<br /> 14:30 &lt; Morgan&gt; *copied<br /> 14:30 &lt; Amroth-mobile&gt; i hate autoconfirm<br /> 14:30 &lt; Amroth-mobile&gt; maybe on the forum page<br /> 14:31 &lt; Morgan&gt; So, in other words, I think it's naive to expect that such large articles as The Hobbit, Bilbo Baggins, etc will quickly be fixed (within a month). <br /> 14:31 &lt; Ederchil&gt; I think you are correct.<br /> 14:32 &lt; Pallando&gt; For larger things like that, someone should prioritize what parts need rewritten.<br /> 14:32 &lt; Amroth-mobile&gt; I fear I've to agree<br /> 14:32 &lt; Morgan&gt; Yeah<br /> 14:32 &lt; Pallando&gt; That way, folks that are looking to do a little here or there can have some direction.<br /> 14:32 &lt; Morgan&gt; Yes, that's often how you work on a wiki.<br /> 14:33 &lt; Pallando&gt; :)<br /> 14:33 &lt; Pallando&gt; I'm suggesting that *we* direct them a bit more.<br /> 14:33 &lt; Morgan&gt; &quot;you&quot; as in the &quot;general you&quot;, of course! :)<br /> 14:36 &lt; Amroth-mobile&gt; Should we then use more time for these articles<br /> 14:36 &lt; Amroth-mobile&gt; so we've one finished article instead of 3 unfinished<br /> 14:37 &lt; Morgan&gt; Not sure<br /> 14:38 &lt; Morgan&gt; I'd guess we can just leave as it is, hopefully new users will be attracted because of the Hobbit films and start editing those articles anyway<br /> 14:38 &lt; Morgan&gt; Even though it might be after our Countdown has finished<br /> 14:38 &lt; Amroth-mobile&gt; maybe<br /> 14:39 &lt; Pallando&gt; I expect we'll get an uptick after the movie, too.<br /> 14:41 &lt; Morgan&gt; You know, we all have different reasons for being on TG - personally, I'm attracted to how useful it is to have a hyperlinked database, so I can add all those little notes about odd publications and letters, linguistic stuff, etc. I didn't join TG to work on the Frodo and Legolas articles, even though I occasionally do edit such &quot;main&quot; articles.<br /> 14:42 &lt; Ederchil&gt; That's pretty common on wikis, actually.<br /> 14:42 &lt; Morgan&gt; Yeah, I guess it's often a problem with wikis, as well<br /> 14:42 &lt; Pallando&gt; I agree with that. I do see the need for some pulling together to do housekeeping every now and again.<br /> 14:43 &lt; Amroth-mobile&gt; Same as Morgan here<br /> 14:44 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Legolas has been needing attention for how many years now?<br /> 14:45 &lt; Morgan&gt; In my opinion, our great advantage is that we currently are many editors which are serious and knowledgable. If someone tries to add (often unknowingly) false information, we don't let it pass. And slowly, the information already found on the wiki will be improved, with references and editing of copied text. But it's not anything which will be done quickly!<br /> 14:46 &lt; Pallando&gt; Agreed.<br /> 14:47 &lt; Pallando&gt; How are we on topics for this meeting?<br /> 14:47 &lt; Morgan&gt; :)<br /> 14:47 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Really? Because I have no idea if Finarfin's hair is black ro blond<br /> 14:47 &lt; Ederchil&gt; I think we're through the topics<br /> 14:48 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Shall we call the meeting closed?<br /> 14:48 * Morgan is out with the dog - will be back in 20 minutes if meeting is still running<br /> 14:49 &lt; Morgan&gt; yeah, I think we can close<br /> 14:49 &lt; Pallando&gt; +1<br /> 14:49 &lt; Morgan&gt; Ederchil: thanks for leading<br /> 14:49 &lt; Amroth-mobile&gt; I think we're done<br /> 14:50 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Then I officially declare this meeting over.<br /> &lt;/poem&gt;<br /> <br /> [[Category:Tolkien Gateway Meeting Transcripts|{{#time:Y m d|{{#titleparts: {{PAGENAME}}| 1 | 2 }}}}]]</div>

Pallando https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Tolkien_Gateway:Meetings/4_March_2012/Transcript&diff=187864 2012-03-04T21:30:45Z

<p>Pallando: Test entry of meeting transcript.</p> <hr /> <div>&lt;poem&gt;<br /> --- Day changed Sun Mar 04 2012<br /> 11:23 -!- KingAragorn [KA@tolkiengateway-3D6E606D.bb.sky.com] has joined #Wiki<br /> 12:47 &lt; Pallando&gt; Ah, that there is: http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Tolkien_Gateway:Manual_of_Style<br /> 12:52 -!- Ederchil [52484f7d@tolkiengateway-D44A77C9.mibbit.com] has joined #Wiki<br /> 12:57 * Hyarion waves<br /> 12:58 -!- Morgan [Morgan@tolkiengateway-6BEC789.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #Wiki<br /> 12:59 -!- Amroth [3eeef969@tolkiengateway-ECDDD92B.mibbit.com] has joined #Wiki<br /> 13:01 * Hyarion waves<br /> 13:01 &lt; Ederchil&gt; crickets<br /> 13:01 &lt; Ederchil&gt; crickets<br /> 13:01 &lt; Ederchil&gt; tumbleweed<br /> 13:02 &lt; Pallando&gt; Heh<br /> 13:04 &lt; Pallando&gt; I was looking at the outline structure of the Bilbo article and comparing it with a few others.<br /> 13:04 &lt; Pallando&gt; This document:goo.gl/gzdSZ<br /> 13:04 &lt; Pallando&gt; http://goo.gl/gzdSZ<br /> 13:06 &lt; Pallando&gt; I'm not sure if we want to normalize all the articles with a consistent base structure and optional additional sections, but I figured it'd be useful to see the variations.<br /> 13:06 &lt; Morgan&gt; Hm, good questions<br /> 13:08 &lt; Morgan&gt; I like normalization/standardisation<br /> 13:08 &lt; Amroth&gt; Good research.<br /> 13:10 &lt; Pallando&gt; I'd like to write a little api script that trolls some pages and notes variations, but that's for later.<br /> 13:10 &lt; Pallando&gt; Feel free to edit that document, btw.<br /> 13:14 &lt; Pallando&gt; But I guess the topic was specifically the Bilbo article, not necessarily comparative analysis :)<br /> 13:14 &lt; Amroth&gt; Yeah, though we can discuss that aswell.<br /> 13:15 &lt; Amroth&gt; Did KingAragorn say i he would be late earlier today?<br /> 13:16 &lt; Pallando&gt; He didn't mention, though he is on and was active earlier in both this and #tolkiengateway<br /> 13:16 &lt; Pallando&gt; We were briefly chatting about the spreadsheet.<br /> 13:17 &lt; Amroth&gt; okay, hopely he return soon.<br /> 13:17 &lt; Pallando&gt; Return of the King!<br /> 13:17 &lt; Amroth&gt; he will return*<br /> 13:18 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Should we start without him?<br /> 13:19 &lt; Amroth&gt; Maybe, we should wait a little more.<br /> 13:26 &lt; Amroth&gt; Though, maybe we should start now.<br /> 13:26 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Agreed<br /> 13:27 &lt; Pallando&gt; Let's.<br /> 13:27 &lt; Morgan&gt; Ederchil: you up for leading?<br /> 13:27 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Give me a sec<br /> 13:27 &lt; Morgan&gt; np<br /> 13:28 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Welcome to the nth meeting! In attendance are Amroth, Ederchil, Morgan, Pallando. Absent are KingAragorn and Astald<br /> 13:28 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Doesn't KA have a standard for that?<br /> 13:28 &lt; Morgan&gt; :)<br /> 13:29 &lt; Ederchil&gt; First point: Discussion of what should be done to improve Bilbo Baggins.<br /> 13:29 &lt; Amroth&gt; http://www.tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Bilbo_Baggins<br /> 13:30 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Well, for one, the double header under Genealogy needs to go.<br /> 13:30 &lt; Pallando&gt; Agreed.<br /> 13:30 &lt; Amroth&gt; +1<br /> 13:31 &lt; Amroth&gt; Maybe splitting Early Information and Adventures.<br /> 13:31 &lt; Amroth&gt; There's some pre-Hobbit information in UT,<br /> 13:31 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Yes.<br /> 13:32 &lt; Ederchil&gt; I don't like the names section<br /> 13:32 &lt; Amroth&gt; A section about the Long Expected Journey, I think we can find enough information for that.<br /> 13:32 &lt; Ederchil&gt; * Early life<br /> 13:32 &lt; Ederchil&gt; * The Hobbit<br /> 13:32 &lt; Morgan&gt; Names: should it be simplified?<br /> 13:32 &lt; Pallando&gt; +1 A dedicated section to the upcoming movies<br /> 13:32 &lt; Ederchil&gt; * 2950-3001<br /> 13:32 &lt; Morgan&gt; For example,<br /> 13:33 &lt; Ederchil&gt; I'm still fleshing out History<br /> 13:33 &lt; Morgan&gt; *Names given to Bilbo during his conversation with Smaug: ...<br /> 13:33 &lt; Ederchil&gt; * Long Expected Party<br /> 13:33 &lt; Ederchil&gt; * Rivendell<br /> 13:33 &lt; Ederchil&gt; * Passage West.<br /> 13:33 &lt; Ederchil&gt; ?<br /> 13:34 &lt; Amroth&gt; We should also mention Bilbo's travels to Dale.<br /> 13:34 &lt; Pallando&gt; I don't mind that, except I would leave &quot;2950-3001&quot; to &quot;The Years Between&quot;<br /> 13:34 &lt; Ederchil&gt; I couldn't think of a title<br /> 13:34 &lt; Amroth&gt; Agree with Pallando.<br /> 13:35 &lt; Pallando&gt; Some title, rather than numbers. Raw numbers are a bit daunting to newcomers.<br /> 13:35 &lt; Ederchil&gt; It wasn't meant as a title<br /> 13:35 &lt; Ederchil&gt; just a description of the era<br /> 13:35 * Pallando nods<br /> 13:36 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Rivendell would need something about the travel to Dale<br /> 13:36 &lt; Amroth&gt; Personally I prefer Adventures as tittle for The Hobbit.<br /> 13:36 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Also not meant as a title.<br /> 13:36 &lt; Morgan&gt; Oh, just found that the double header under Genealogy derives from a template<br /> 13:36 &lt; Pallando&gt; Orly<br /> 13:36 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Needs a &lt;noinclude&gt;<br /> 13:37 &lt; Pallando&gt; I retract my previous +1 re: movies, as there is already an article for them. :)<br /> 13:38 &lt; Morgan&gt; Yeah, I'm not so found about special sections for the movies<br /> 13:38 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Just as part of Portrayal<br /> 13:38 &lt; Morgan&gt; yep<br /> 13:38 &lt; Amroth&gt; I think that could be dealt within portrayal.<br /> 13:38 &lt; Pallando&gt; Especially when there's more depth in a dedicated article.<br /> 13:38 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Which is a bit concise<br /> 13:39 &lt; Amroth&gt; Though, we could split it in movies and games (as Morgan suggested).<br /> 13:39 &lt; Pallando&gt; I like the categorization of the History section btw, Ederchil, regardless of title.<br /> 13:39 &lt; Morgan&gt; *tittle<br /> 13:40 &lt; Pallando&gt; +1 Subsections for In Movies &amp; In Games under &quot;Portrayals...&quot;<br /> 13:40 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Oh yeah. I knew I forgot something. I was supposed to come up with a draft for that after the last meeting<br /> 13:40 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Or was it two meetings ago?<br /> 13:41 * Pallando wasn't at either :)<br /> 13:42 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Does anyone have other suggestions?<br /> 13:42 &lt; Morgan&gt; Any ideas for the names section?<br /> 13:42 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Shove it under Etym<br /> 13:42 &lt; Amroth&gt; Other versions of the legendarium<br /> 13:42 &lt; Amroth&gt; And more expansion in adaptations.<br /> 13:43 &lt; Pallando&gt; Nah, maybe under History?<br /> 13:43 &lt; Pallando&gt; I don't think etymology's the right place for epithets and titles.<br /> 13:43 &lt; Morgan&gt; But...didn't we agree last meeting to have one section for &quot;Etymology&quot; and one for &quot;Other names and titles&quot;?<br /> 13:43 &lt; Ederchil&gt; I honestly can't remember<br /> 13:43 &lt; Amroth&gt; Wasn't that more like 7 meetings ago.<br /> 13:44 &lt; Amroth&gt; When we were discussing IPA.<br /> 13:44 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Wow. Pallando, now you can see how effective these meetings are ;)<br /> 13:44 * Pallando shrugs :)<br /> 13:44 &lt; Pallando&gt; I'm logging so we can make &quot;action items&quot; afterwards :)<br /> 13:45 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Yeah, we need a transcript too<br /> 13:45 &lt; Pallando&gt; On it.<br /> 13:45 &lt; Ederchil&gt; So, just to recap:<br /> 13:45 &lt; Morgan&gt; Where are the old transcripts?<br /> 13:45 &lt; Amroth&gt; Well, someone has to add outcome.<br /> 13:45 &lt; Ederchil&gt; * History<br /> 13:45 &lt; Ederchil&gt; ** Early life<br /> 13:45 &lt; Ederchil&gt; ** Adventures<br /> 13:46 &lt; Amroth&gt; Like here:<br /> 13:46 &lt; Amroth&gt; http://www.tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Tolkien_Gateway:Meetings/6_March_2011<br /> 13:46 &lt; Ederchil&gt; ** The Years Between<br /> 13:46 &lt; Ederchil&gt; ** The Long Expected Party<br /> 13:46 &lt; Amroth&gt; Morgan: http://www.tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Category:Tolkien_Gateway_Meeting_Transcripts<br /> 13:46 &lt; Ederchil&gt; ** Journey to Dale/Rivendell/Whatever<br /> 13:46 &lt; Pallando&gt; My other suggestion would be to discuss normalization at a later meeting.<br /> 13:46 &lt; Pallando&gt; That's nice, Amroth.<br /> 13:46 &lt; Ederchil&gt; ** Passage West<br /> 13:46 &lt; Morgan&gt; Here's the etymology stuff: http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Tolkien_Gateway:Meetings/8_January_2012/Transcript<br /> 13:46 &lt; Ederchil&gt; * Etymology<br /> 13:47 &lt; Ederchil&gt; * Other names<br /> 13:47 &lt; Amroth&gt; At begin or end of transcript?<br /> 13:47 &lt; Ederchil&gt; * Other versions<br /> 13:47 &lt; Ederchil&gt; * Genealogy<br /> 13:47 &lt; Ederchil&gt; * PiA<br /> 13:47 &lt; Morgan&gt; (just do ctr+f Etymology)<br /> 13:47 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Did I forget anything?<br /> 13:48 &lt; Morgan&gt; I don't think so<br /> 13:48 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Next point?<br /> 13:48 &lt; Morgan&gt; Maybe<br /> 13:48 &lt; Amroth&gt; Maybe &quot;Names and titles&quot; instead of only &quot;Other names&quot;, or doesn't Bilbo have any titles?<br /> 13:48 &lt; Morgan&gt; ** PiA Films<br /> 13:48 &lt; Ederchil&gt; ** PiA Games<br /> 13:48 &lt; Morgan&gt; ** PiA Games<br /> 13:48 &lt; Morgan&gt; ** PiA Other<br /> 13:48 &lt; Pallando&gt; ** PiA<br /> 13:48 &lt; Pallando&gt; *** Films<br /> 13:48 &lt; Ederchil&gt; ** PiA Board.Card<br /> 13:48 &lt; Pallando&gt; *** Games<br /> 13:48 &lt; Pallando&gt; **** Card<br /> 13:48 &lt; Pallando&gt; **** Board<br /> 13:49 &lt; Amroth&gt; ****Merchandise<br /> 13:49 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Working on that<br /> 13:49 &lt; Morgan&gt; Hm<br /> 13:49 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Probably have time to do it on wednesday<br /> 13:49 &lt; Amroth&gt; Though, maybe we should just have Films, Games and Other.<br /> 13:49 &lt; Morgan&gt; Can't a title be said to be a kind of name?<br /> 13:50 &lt; Pallando&gt; A title's a formal one, though.<br /> 13:50 &lt; Amroth&gt; I will try to expand FOTR and WITN next weekend.<br /> 13:50 &lt; Pallando&gt; I'd agree with that, Amroth - simplify as much as possible.<br /> 13:50 &lt; Ederchil&gt; +1 Amroth<br /> 13:50 &lt; Amroth&gt; I already did 1982 Hobbit and 1990 FOTR.<br /> 13:50 &lt; Ederchil&gt; We might need to discuss a Decipher policy with that, though<br /> 13:51 &lt; Amroth&gt; Does anybody have 2003 Hobbit and Aragorn's Quest?<br /> 13:51 &lt; Ederchil&gt; I have 2003 Hobbit<br /> 13:51 &lt; Ederchil&gt; not played in a while, and I lost all my savegames<br /> 13:51 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Last time I played, I was stuck at the trolls<br /> 13:52 &lt; Morgan&gt; Just a thought about these video games: can't many be found on YouTube? Then it's easy for anyone to check the validity of a statement<br /> 13:52 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Many have walkthroughs<br /> 13:52 &lt; Morgan&gt; I just did that for the BfM-e Rise of the WItch-King stuff<br /> 13:52 &lt; Amroth&gt; Personally I prefer chapter sources.<br /> 13:53 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Or both<br /> 13:53 &lt; Morgan&gt; I understand your point, Amroth, but isn't it important to be able to check the reference? A reference &quot;inside&quot; a game requires you to actualy play through it! <br /> 13:54 &lt; Morgan&gt; And if it's an old game, you might not be able to run it on a modern computer<br /> 13:54 &lt; Morgan&gt; +1 Ederchil, when possible<br /> 13:54 &lt; Amroth&gt; I see what you mean.<br /> 13:54 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Try War of the Ring, for example.<br /> 13:54 &lt; Ederchil&gt; You can't play it on Vista<br /> 13:54 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Well, you can, but you can't save<br /> 13:55 &lt; Amroth&gt; I can't save my WotR :(<br /> 13:56 &lt; Ederchil&gt; I never got past level 2 because it's a pretty boring game<br /> 13:56 &lt; Pallando&gt; Heh<br /> 13:56 &lt; Amroth&gt; I doubt, though, that all games have a walkthrough on youtube.<br /> 13:56 &lt; Amroth&gt; I think it's a great game.<br /> 13:56 &lt; Pallando&gt; Someone fire up an XP vm and do one!<br /> 13:56 &lt; Amroth&gt; Especially the Catapult level is nice.<br /> 13:56 &lt; Ederchil&gt; WotR doesn't, IIRC<br /> 13:57 &lt; Morgan&gt; Sure, I just mean that when a statement is questioned or controversial, it might be good to make a reference to a video clip of the game (when such are found on youtube)<br /> 13:57 &lt; Ederchil&gt; A sort of &quot;pics or it didn't happen&quot; policy?<br /> 13:57 &lt; Amroth&gt; Morgan's video does only include the movie, though.<br /> 13:58 &lt; Amroth&gt; only the movie*<br /> 13:58 &lt; Ederchil&gt; And the walkthrough of FotR ignores Arwen.<br /> 13:58 &lt; Morgan&gt; Eerchil: maybe only for questioned or controversial statements<br /> 14:00 &lt; Ederchil&gt; brb<br /> 14:00 &lt; Amroth&gt; I doubt that walkthroughs will focus on story and background.<br /> 14:01 &lt; Morgan&gt; For example, when the new user questioned Arveleg I as being part of the Rise of Witch-king, <br /> 14:01 &lt; Amroth&gt; They would have to make 3 walkthroughs for WITN for example.<br /> 14:01 &lt; Morgan&gt; I did a search on google trying to find a source for it<br /> 14:01 &lt; Morgan&gt; First, I only found other wikis, and became a bit sceptical<br /> 14:01 &lt; Morgan&gt; But when seeing the film clip from the game, I thought it became clear the new user was right<br /> 14:01 &lt; Amroth&gt; As the game gives different information for every playable character.<br /> 14:02 &lt; Morgan&gt; WITN?<br /> 14:02 &lt; Amroth&gt; http://www.tolkiengateway.net/wiki/WITN<br /> 14:03 &lt; Amroth&gt; Well, Arveleg I died in Chapter 4. So it is impossible anyway for him to appear in the Epilogue.<br /> 14:04 &lt; Ederchil&gt; The palantir was destroyed before the epilogue<br /> 14:04 &lt; Ederchil&gt; IIRC<br /> 14:06 &lt; Ederchil&gt; I need to replay it to be sure. I still have savegames.<br /> 14:06 &lt; Amroth&gt; I've lost mine, when the old PC crashed :(<br /> 14:06 &lt; Amroth&gt; I was at Fornost, but I stopped there.<br /> 14:06 &lt; Ederchil&gt; That's my problem with 2003 Hobbit<br /> 14:07 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Anyway, are we ready for the next point?<br /> 14:07 &lt; Pallando&gt; Sure.<br /> 14:07 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Amroth has the floor: his is not meant against anyone, but if I lookto the changes made to The Hobbit this month, we haven't made any improvement on it. It's still a copy of Wikipedia. Although, some section of Sauron and Gandalf have been improved most of the article haven't. If the same happens with the next article, Bilbo Baggins, I fear the Countown will <br /> 14:07 &lt; Amroth&gt; I'll replay it one day and rewrite the article.<br /> 14:07 &lt; Ederchil&gt; *this<br /> 14:07 &lt; Ederchil&gt; *looks up in the sky, whistling innocently*<br /> 14:08 &lt; Ederchil&gt; not work as hoped. How can we stimulate people to edit more on the &quot;Countdown&quot;-articles? -<br /> 14:09 &lt; Amroth&gt; Does anyone have ideas?<br /> 14:09 &lt; Pallando&gt; I'm unclear on the question.<br /> 14:10 &lt; Morgan&gt; Someone should win a lot of money and pay the bunch of us to edit full-time<br /> 14:10 &lt; Amroth&gt; Can't we let Hyarion pay us.<br /> 14:10 &lt; Morgan&gt; :P<br /> 14:10 &lt; Pallando&gt; Oh, we need ideas on how to get people contributing :)<br /> 14:10 &lt; Amroth&gt; yeah<br /> 14:11 &lt; Morgan&gt; yrah<br /> 14:11 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Isn't that Mith's job?<br /> 14:11 &lt; Ederchil&gt; *hobby<br /> 14:11 &lt; Ederchil&gt; *volunteer work<br /> 14:11 &lt; Amroth&gt; http://www.tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=The_Hobbit&amp;action=historysubmit&amp;diff=186924&amp;oldid=175891<br /> 14:12 &lt; Amroth&gt; That's all we changed since the countdown changed.<br /> 14:12 &lt; Amroth&gt; It's still a copy of wikipedia.<br /> 14:12 &lt; Pallando&gt; What's the 'countdown'?<br /> 14:12 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Wait, we still had the screenplay link in?<br /> 14:12 &lt; Amroth&gt; I've to go thoug<br /> 14:12 &lt; Amroth&gt; Bye<br /> 14:12 -!- Amroth [3eeef969@tolkiengateway-ECDDD92B.mibbit.com] has quit [Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client]<br /> 14:12 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Good night<br /> 14:13 &lt; Morgan&gt; Pallando: I'll try to find a link for you<br /> 14:13 &lt; Pallando&gt; Bug bounties, recognition on the main page of top contributors, etc?<br /> 14:13 &lt; Morgan&gt; Or, just look at the main page<br /> 14:13 &lt; Pallando&gt; Looking.<br /> 14:13 &lt; Pallando&gt; I hate to say it, but ... badges?<br /> 14:13 &lt; Morgan&gt; There's a section for the &quot;Countdown to The Hobbit&quot;<br /> 14:13 &lt; Morgan&gt; sorry?<br /> 14:14 &lt; Morgan&gt; badges?<br /> 14:14 &lt; Pallando&gt; I see, so anything and everything related to, but starting from, The Hobbit?<br /> 14:14 &lt; Morgan&gt; No, no<br /> 14:14 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Do we have badges? Is this Wikia?<br /> 14:14 &lt; Pallando&gt; Yeah, little icons near contributors names that indicate their level of contribution.<br /> 14:15 &lt; Pallando&gt; I know, I know, I'm just trying to stimulate ideas :)<br /> 14:15 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Next thing we know is we'll get that damned Message Wall<br /> 14:15 &lt; Morgan&gt; We chose a couple of important articles related to The Hobbit in a meeting<br /> 14:15 &lt; Morgan&gt; That need improvement<br /> 14:15 &lt; Pallando&gt; Ok, strike that idea! :p<br /> 14:15 &lt; Ederchil&gt; I like the unmissable orange header.<br /> 14:15 &lt; Pallando&gt; Morgan: Aha, ok. That makes more sense. Is there a list?<br /> 14:15 &lt; Pallando&gt; http://www.tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Forum:Countdown_to_The_Hobbit:_An_Unexpected_Journey_-_The_Hobbit<br /> 14:16 &lt; Morgan&gt; Pallando: ah, now I see - I thought you meant http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Badgers<br /> 14:16 &lt; Morgan&gt; Somewhere, I'd guess :)<br /> 14:16 &lt; Morgan&gt; KA most often takes care of such things<br /> 14:16 &lt; Pallando&gt; Heh, badgers.<br /> 14:17 &lt; Morgan&gt; I thought you were dissing my article! ;)<br /> 14:17 &lt; Pallando&gt; Well, I'd suggest, at the very least, recognition of the users who are contributing to the Countdown to The Hobbit pages.<br /> 14:18 &lt; Ederchil&gt; but how?<br /> 14:18 &lt; Pallando&gt; We could write something that counts the number of edits by users during a specific period.<br /> 14:19 -!- mib_1sveou [3eeef969@tolkiengateway-87DEAA8D.mibbit.com] has joined #Wiki<br /> 14:19 &lt; Morgan&gt; To be honest, though, I'm a bit indifferent to such highlights as &quot;Countdowns&quot;. But maybe other users are more keen on it.<br /> 14:19 &lt; mib_1sveou&gt; I like the countdown<br /> 14:19 &lt; Morgan&gt; Amroth?<br /> 14:20 &lt; Pallando&gt; I like the idea of trying to focus the community on a particular set of pages that need improvement.<br /> 14:20 &lt; Ederchil&gt; no, mib_1sveou <br /> 14:20 &lt; Ederchil&gt; :0<br /> 14:20 &lt; Pallando&gt; Heh<br /> 14:20 &lt; Morgan&gt; :D<br /> 14:20 &lt; Ederchil&gt; I can't believe I actually typed that correctly.<br /> 14:21 &lt; Morgan&gt; mib1_1sveou: are you Amroth come back in a different shape, or another user?<br /> 14:21 &lt; mib_1sveou&gt; yes, Morgan. (on mobile)<br /> 14:21 &lt; Pallando&gt; It's Amroth the White<br /> 14:21 &lt; Morgan&gt; Amroth: you should be sleeping now! Are you cheating using your phone in bed!?<br /> 14:22 &lt; Morgan&gt; It's school tomorrow!<br /> 14:22 &lt; Ederchil&gt; It's only 22:20<br /> 14:22 -!- mib_1sveou is now known as Smooth-mobile<br /> 14:22 &lt; Ederchil&gt; I'm sure glad I don't have the Monday 9 lecture like last semester<br /> 14:22 &lt; Smooth-mobile&gt; brb<br /> 14:23 &lt; Morgan&gt; Alright, any more input on the Countdown stuff?<br /> 14:23 &lt; Ederchil&gt; Other than, &quot;I really should do something&quot;? Nope.<br /> 14:24 &lt; Morgan&gt; Yeah, that's the problem! ;)<br /> 14:25 &lt; Pallando&gt; Heh. I like it? Is that input?<br /> &lt;/poem&gt;<br /> <br /> [[Category:Tolkien Gateway Meeting Transcripts|{{#time:Y m d|{{#titleparts: {{PAGENAME}}| 1 | 2 }}}}]]</div>

Pallando https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Tolkien_Gateway:Meetings/4_March_2012&diff=187863 2012-03-04T21:23:53Z

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Pallando https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Tolkien_Gateway_talk:Manual_of_Style&diff=187856 2012-03-04T19:51:26Z

<p>Pallando: </p> <hr /> <div>== Fair Use ==<br /> <br /> It would certainly be helpful if [[Template:fairuse]] actually existed. We '''do''' need it. --[[User:Theoden1|Theoden1]] 16:30, 13 July 2008 (EDT)<br /> <br /> :I certainly agree. It's kind of nagging me that certain things (like the &quot;fact&quot; template) &quot;must&quot; be inserted while they don't even exist. All images need a good going over anyway - copyrights, correct names, descriptions, categories. That'll take ages, but it can be done. -- [[User:Ederchil|Ederchil]] 16:42, 13 July 2008 (EDT)<br /> <br /> ==Rename==<br /> To be consistent with other wiki's, shouldn't this be renamed (and remolded if necessary) to &quot;Tolkien Gateway: Manual of Style&quot;? -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 11:57, 18 February 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Plagiarism? ==<br /> <br /> Sorry . . . I'm new. What are the rules here about duplicating text from other sites? Does the wiki have authorization from some site owners (Encyclopedia of Arda, for example) to use their material word for word? [[User:ElfMaven|ElfMaven]] 21:33, 9 December 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Better not copy anything. There still are a lot of articles in the database that are partial or complete rips from EoA or Wikipedia from way back when the site just started. These should be changed (but I'll admit, it's not something actively pursued). -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 21:43, 9 December 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :: Thanks for responding. Much of your uncommon or unusual words list is still word for word from EoA, only with some significant additions. Also some of the articles, e.g., &quot;Evrard Took&quot; are the same with only minor differences, not enough to avoid copyright infringement.<br /> <br /> ::(I have read EoA extensively, and I was just re-reading the &quot;Old &amp; Rare Words&quot; section last week. I started trying to research the phrase &quot;stock and stone&quot; and found this site.) [[User:ElfMaven|ElfMaven]] 14:27, 18 December 2009 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Dates ==<br /> <br /> Is it fair to say that we've settled on using the templates ({{FA|, etc.) for the vast majority of in-universe years? If so the latter two bullet points in the Dates section should be removed.<br /> <br /> In their place, I think there should be a mention of real-world years. Also, especially, how to handle full dates ([[15 March]] vs. [[15 March|March 15]]; [[15 March]] [[2001]] vs. [[2001#March|15 March 2001]]; and so many other permutations). {{User:Aule the Smith/sig}} 09:13, 28 August 2010 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == alterations ==<br /> <br /> I see that the article is not locked to be edited by administrators only. I wonder if it is proper to make some small corrections-clarifications. I would like to rewrite some points which might seem unclear to a newcomer, add some examples, and point out some common mistakes not covered in the article. [[User:Sage|Sage]] 07:20, 6 August 2011 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Fine by me. I don't think a lock is necessary at this point.--{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 07:38, 6 August 2011 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Additional stylistic suggestions ==<br /> If we could add guidance on the case structure of section headings - i.e. First letter of the first word capitalized the rest not, e.g. &quot;See also&quot; rather than &quot;See Also&quot; - I believe that would be useful.<br /> Additionally, if we could note that the first occurrence of a relevant subject should be wikilinked and subsequent mentions need not that, too, would help. [[User:Pallando|Pallando]] 19:51, 4 March 2012 (UTC)</div>

Pallando https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Tolkien_Gateway_talk:Meetings/4_March_2012&diff=186993 2012-03-02T14:28:19Z

<p>Pallando: </p> <hr /> <div>Please put any ideas for the agenda and any general discussion here. If you are going to attend (or not), please sign your name below.<br /> ==Attendees==<br /> # {{User:KingAragorn/sig}}<br /> # {{User:Ederchil/sig}}<br /> # [[User:Amroth|Amroth]] 14:43, 29 February 2012 (UTC) (probally)<br /> # [[User:Astald]]<br /> # [[User:Pallando|Pallando]] 14:28, 2 March 2012 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Non-Attendees==<br /> # --{{User:Mith/sig}} 21:00, 6 February 2012 (UTC)<br /> #* Reason: It's my birthday.<br /> #**Happy birthday. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 22:53, 28 February 2012 (UTC)<br /> #**Happy birthday, Mith! [[User:Pallando|Pallando]] 14:28, 2 March 2012 (UTC)<br /> # --[[User:EorltheYoung|EorltheYoung]] 22:52, 28 February 2012 (UTC)<br /> #* Reason: It's Sunday, therefore I will be at church.<br /> # --[[User:Gamling|Gamling]] 05:36, 29 February 2012 (UTC)<br /> #* Reason: Previous engagement<br /> # [[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 08:34, 29 February 2012 (UTC) (Might drop by late)<br /> <br /> ==Ideas for Agenda==<br /> *Discussion of what should be done to improve [[Bilbo Baggins]].--{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 10:56, 11 February 2012 (UTC)<br /> *This is not meant against anyone, but if I lookto [http://www.tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=The_Hobbit&amp;action=historysubmit&amp;diff=186924&amp;oldid=185158 the changes] made to [[The Hobbit]] this month, we haven't made any improvement on it. It's still a copy of Wikipedia. Although, some section of [[Sauron]] and [[Gandalf]] have been improved most of the article haven't. If the same happens with the next article, [[Bilbo Baggins]], I fear the Countown will not work as hoped. How can we stimulate people to edit more on the &quot;Countdown&quot;-articles? --[[User:Amroth|Amroth]] 20:53, 1 March 2012 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Discussion==<br /> *Discussion of what should be done to improve [[Bilbo Baggins]].--{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 10:56, 11 February 2012 (UTC)<br /> ::Better diet, snappier clothes, more exercise, stop smoking, and DITCH THE RING! --[[User:Gamling|Gamling]]<br /> <br /> :::I fully agree! --[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 08:34, 29 February 2012 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::::I don't think Bilbo Baggins will be able to improve on these flaws, he lived many ages ago.--{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 11:13, 29 February 2012 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :::::Buzzkill. --[[User:Cemrond|Cemrond]]<br /> <br /> __NOTOC__</div>

Pallando https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Inklings&diff=186438 2012-02-18T19:37:00Z

<p>Pallando: /* External links */</p> <hr /> <div>{{rewrite}}<br /> The '''Inklings''' was a literary discussion group associated with the [[University of Oxford]], England. Its members, mostly academics at the university, included [[J.R.R. Tolkien]], [[C.S. Lewis]], [[Owen Barfield]], [[Charles Williams]], [[Adam Fox]], [[Hugo Dyson]], [[Robert Havard]], [[Nevill Coghill]], [[Charles Leslie Wrenn]], [[Roger Lancelyn Green]], [[James Dundas-Grant]], [[John Wain]], [[R.B. McCallum]], [[Gervase Mathew]], [[C.E. Stevens]], [[J.A.W. Bennett]], [[Lord David Cecil]], [[Colin Hardie]], [[Christopher Tolkien]] (J.R.R. Tolkien's son), and [[Warren &quot;Warnie&quot; Lewis]] (C.S. Lewis's elder brother). It met between the 1930s and the 1950s.<br /> <br /> The Inklings were literary enthusiasts who praised the value of narrative in fiction, and encouraged the writing of fantasy. Christian values are also notably reflected in their work, though there were atheists and [[wikipedia:Anthroposophy|Anthroposophists]] among the members of the discussion group. Contrary to what has been said about the Inklings, it was not an exclusively Christian club. <br /> <br /> As was typical for university literary groups in their time and place, the Inklings were all male. (By [[Wikipedia:Dorothy L. Sayers| Dorothy L. Sayers]], sometimes claimed as an Inkling, was a friend of Lewis and Williams, but never attended Inklings meetings.)<br /> <br /> Readings and discussions of the members' unfinished works were the principal purposes of meetings. Tolkien's ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'', Lewis's ''[[Out of the Silent Planet]]'', and Williams's ''All Hallows Eve'' were among the novels first read to the Inklings.<br /> <br /> Inklings readings and discussions were usually held on Thursday evenings in C. S. Lewis's college rooms at Magdalen College. The Inklings were also known to gather at a local pub, [[Eagle and Child|The Eagle and Child]], known to them as '''The Bird and Baby''', or simply '''The Bird'''. But, contrary to common belief, they did not read their manuscripts in the pub. Later pub meetings were held at [[Lamb and Flag|The Lamb and Flag]] across the street, and in earlier years the Inklings also met irregularly in yet other pubs, but The Eagle and Child has kept the cachet.<br /> <br /> The name was originally associated with a club at [[University College, Oxford|University College]], founded by the then undergraduate Edward Tangye Lean in ca. 1931, for the purpose of reading aloud unfinished compositions. The club consisted of students and dons, among them Tolkien and Lewis. When Lean left Oxford in 1933, the club died, and its name was transferred by Tolkien and Lewis to their group at Magdalen. On the connection between the two 'Inklings' societies, Tolkien later said &quot;although our habit was to read aloud compositions of various kinds (and lengths!), this association and its habit would in fact have come into being at that time, whether the original short-lived club had ever existed or not.&quot;<br /> <br /> Named after the Inklings is the Inklings society based in Aachen, and their yearbook, ''Inklings Jahrbuch f&amp;uuml;r Literatur und &amp;Auml;sthetik'', published from 1983 by ''Brendow'', Moers. The yearbook contains scholarly articles and reviews, dealing with Inklings members in particular, but also with fantasy literature and mythopoeia in general.<br /> <br /> Also named after the Inklings is the Inklings club at Saint Ignatius Preparatory School in Cleveland, Ohio. The club has been around for several years, reaching back into the late 1990s. Originally with theology teacher Mr. Thomas Healey as the proctor, the club discussed the theological aspects of the works of both Tolkien and C.S. Lewis. Over the years the club evolved and passed into the hands of Saint Ignatius theology teacher Mr. James Hogan (author of the book Crossways). The club then broadened its scope to include anything as long as it was theology related. The club still exists, though unknown by most of the Saint Ignatius community.<br /> <br /> A third group named for and based upon the original Inklings finds its roots in the South-Eastern United States. This group, also known as the '''Inklings Fellowship''', discusses literature, theology, the Inklings' lives and works, the films based on their works, compose music based on their works, as well as critique each others' poetry and fiction. The founders of this group are commonly known by the nick-names Jack, Tollers, and Hugo.<br /> <br /> The Smudglings, another literary club, was inspired by the great minds of Tolkien and Lewis and their Inklings. The name is &quot;Smudgling&quot; because the group consists primarily of unpublished authors. Writing of fantasy is encouraged, Christian values are frequently evident in their works, if only symbolically. The group was founded by C. A. Shepherd.<br /> <br /> The Wade Center, located at Wheaton College in the U.S. is devoted to the work of the Inklings. Overall, the Wade Center has more than 11,000 volumes including first editions and critical works. Other holdings on the seven foremost authors (Owen Barfield, G.K. Chesterton, C.S. Lewis, George MacDonald, Dorothy L. Sayers, J.R.R. Tolkien, and Charles Williams) include letters, manuscripts, audio and video tapes, artwork, dissertations, periodicals, photographs, and related materials. <br /> <br /> ==Related reading==<br /> *''[[The Inklings (book)|The Inklings]]: C.S. Lewis, J.R.R. Tolkien, Charles Williams and Their Friends''. Humphrey Carpenter (1979), ISBN 0395276284<br /> <br /> *''[[The Inklings Handbook]]: The Lives, Thought and Writings of C. S. Lewis, J. R. R. Tolkien, Charles Williams, Owen Barfield, and Their Friends''. Colin Duriez and David Porter (2001), ISBN 1902694139<br /> <br /> *''[[Tolkien and C.S. Lewis: The Gift of Friendship]]''. Colin Duriez (2003), ISBN 1587680262<br /> <br /> *''[[The Company They Keep|The Company They Keep: C. S. Lewis and J. R. R. Tolkien as Writers in Community]]''. Diana Pavlac Glyer (2007), ISBN 0873388909<br /> <br /> {{inklings}}<br /> <br /> == External links ==<br /> *http://www.mythsoc.org/inklings.html &amp;ndash; An Inklings bibliography from [[Mythopoeic Society|The Mythopoeic Society]]<br /> <br /> *[http://www.inklings-gesellschaft.de German Inklings Society]<br /> <br /> *http://www.wheaton.edu/learnres/wade/<br /> <br /> * [http://oxfordinklings.blogspot.com/ Oxford Inklings]<br /> <br /> [[Category:British organizations]]<br /> [[CATEGORY:Organizations (real-world)]]</div>

Pallando https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=User:Pallando&diff=186057 2012-02-16T13:09:33Z

<p>Pallando: </p> <hr /> <div>{{user infobox<br /> | name=Pallando<br /> | language=[[wikipedia:English|English]] <br /> | location=[[wikipedia:Colorado|Colorado]], [[wikipedia:USA|USA]]&lt;/br&gt; <br /> | gender=Male<br /> | {{Edit Count|User=Pallando}}<br /> | userboxes=&lt;div style=&quot;float: center; border:dashed #FF0000 4px; margin: 0px&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;&lt;center&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:maroon&quot;&gt;This user is a '''Member'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/center&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/div&gt;<br /> {{user ref}} <br /> {{user chrome}} <br /> {{user irc}}<br /> {{user interwiki}}<br /> | userboxheight=342px<br /> }}<br /> <br /> Hi, I'm a longtime Tolkien fan and student and am glad to be able to contribute to a resource I find very useful!<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> ===Various things===<br /> ==== Paraphernalia ====<br /> I happen to have a full, bus sized, double sided preview poster for the first Lord of the Rings movie (the one that says &quot;Power can be held in the smallest of things&quot;) framed as well as normal sized poster of the same.<br /> <br /> ==== Android ====<br /> I'm the creator of a simple Android app ''[https://market.android.com/details?id=net.bespokesystems.mithlond.namegen Middle-earth Name Generator]'' ([http://goo.gl/Xi2IS overview]) that generates Elf, Hobbit, Dwarf, Adûnaic, and Orc names, intended for fun based upon input.<br /> <br /> I've also created a ''Tengwar Transcriber'' ([http://goo.gl/NejQF overview]) which transcribes the input so that they're properly encoded via [[Dan_Smith|Dan Smith's encodings]]. In beta right now, drop me a note to get access. Will eventually be on the Android Market.<br /> <br /> ==== Oddities ====<br /> [[File:Valentines-wrath2.jpg|350px]]<br /> <br /> This is the [https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150511872115736&amp;set=a.372277750735.155899.351903015735&amp;type=1&amp;theater winning image] from ''[[War_in_the_north|War in the North]]'''s valentine's day meme competition.</div>

Pallando https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=User:Pallando&diff=186056 2012-02-16T13:06:22Z

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Pallando https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=User:Pallando&diff=186055 2012-02-16T13:06:01Z

<p>Pallando: </p> <hr /> <div>{{user infobox<br /> | name=Pallando<br /> | language=[[wikipedia:English|English]] <br /> | location=[[wikipedia:Colorado|Colorado]], [[wikipedia:USA|USA]]&lt;/br&gt; <br /> | gender=Male<br /> | {{Edit Count|User=Pallando}}<br /> | userboxes=&lt;div style=&quot;float: center; border:dashed #FF0000 4px; margin: 0px&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;&lt;center&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:maroon&quot;&gt;This user is a '''Member'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/center&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/div&gt;<br /> {{user ref}} <br /> {{user chrome}} <br /> {{user irc}}<br /> {{user interwiki}}<br /> | userboxheight=342px<br /> }}<br /> <br /> Hi, I'm a longtime Tolkien fan and student and am glad to be able to contribute to a resource I find very useful!<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> ===Various things===<br /> ==== Paraphernalia ====<br /> I happen to have a full, bus sized, double sided preview poster for the first Lord of the Rings movie (the one that says &quot;Power can be held in the smallest of things&quot;) framed as well as normal sized poster of the same.<br /> <br /> ==== Android ====<br /> I'm the creator of a simple Android app ''[https://market.android.com/details?id=net.bespokesystems.mithlond.namegen Middle-earth Name Generator]'' ([http://goo.gl/Xi2IS overview]) that generates Elf, Hobbit, Dwarf, Adûnaic, and Orc names, intended for fun based upon input.<br /> <br /> I've also created a ''Tengwar Transcriber'' which transcribes the input so that they're properly encoded via [[Dan_Smith|Dan Smith's encodings]]. In beta right now, drop me a note to get access. Will eventually be on the Android Market.<br /> <br /> ==== Oddities ====<br /> [[File:Valentines-wrath2.jpg|350px]]<br /> <br /> This is the [https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150511872115736&amp;set=a.372277750735.155899.351903015735&amp;type=1&amp;theater winning image] from ''[[War_in_the_north|War in the North]]'''s valentine's day meme competition (</div>

Pallando https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=User:Pallando&diff=186054 2012-02-16T13:04:24Z

<p>Pallando: </p> <hr /> <div>{{user infobox<br /> | name=Pallando<br /> | language=[[wikipedia:English|English]] <br /> | location=[[wikipedia:Colorado|Colorado]], [[wikipedia:USA|USA]]&lt;/br&gt; <br /> | gender=Male<br /> | {{Edit Count|User=Pallando}}<br /> | userboxes=&lt;div style=&quot;float: center; border:dashed #FF0000 4px; margin: 0px&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;&lt;center&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:maroon&quot;&gt;This user is a '''Member'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/center&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/div&gt;<br /> {{user ref}} <br /> {{user chrome}} <br /> {{user irc}}<br /> {{user interwiki}}<br /> | userboxheight=342px<br /> }}<br /> <br /> Hi, I'm a longtime Tolkien fan and student and am glad to be able to contribute to a resource I find very useful!<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> ===Various things===<br /> ==== Paraphernalia ====<br /> I happen to have a full, bus sized, double sided preview poster for the first Lord of the Rings movie (the one that says &quot;Power can be held in the smallest of things&quot;) framed as well as normal sized poster of the same.<br /> <br /> ==== Android ====<br /> I'm the creator of a simple Android app ''[https://market.android.com/details?id=net.bespokesystems.mithlond.namegen Middle-earth Name Generator]'' ([http://goo.gl/Xi2IS overview]) that generates Elf, Hobbit, Dwarf, Adûnaic, and Orc names, intended for fun based upon input.<br /> <br /> I've also created a ''Tengwar Transcriber'' which transcribes the input so that they're properly encoded via [http://www.acondia.com/fonts/tengwar/tenghall.htm Dan Smith's encodings]. In beta right now, drop me a note to get access. Will eventually be on the Android Market.<br /> <br /> ==== Oddities ====<br /> [[File:Valentines-wrath2.jpg|350px]]<br /> <br /> This is the [https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150511872115736&amp;set=a.372277750735.155899.351903015735&amp;type=1&amp;theater winning image] from ''[[War_in_the_north]]'''s valentine's day meme competition (</div>

Pallando https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=User:Pallando&diff=186053 2012-02-16T13:01:17Z

<p>Pallando: </p> <hr /> <div>{{user infobox<br /> | name=Pallando<br /> | language=[[wikipedia:English|English]] <br /> | location=[[wikipedia:Colorado|Colorado]], [[wikipedia:USA|USA]]&lt;/br&gt; <br /> | gender=Male<br /> | {{Edit Count|User=Pallando}}<br /> | userboxes=&lt;div style=&quot;float: center; border:dashed #FF0000 4px; margin: 0px&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;&lt;center&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:maroon&quot;&gt;This user is a '''Member'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/center&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/div&gt;<br /> {{user ref}} <br /> {{user chrome}} <br /> {{user irc}}<br /> {{user interwiki}}<br /> | userboxheight=342px<br /> }}<br /> <br /> Hi, I'm a longtime Tolkien fan and student and am glad to be able to contribute to a resource I find very useful!<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> ===Various things===<br /> ==== Paraphernalia ====<br /> I happen to have a full, bus sized, double sided preview poster for the first Lord of the Rings movie (the one that says &quot;Power can be held in the smallest of things&quot;) framed as well as normal sized poster of the same.<br /> <br /> ==== Android ====<br /> I'm the creator of a simple Android app ''[https://market.android.com/details?id=net.bespokesystems.mithlond.namegen Middle-earth Name Generator]'' ([http://goo.gl/Xi2IS overview]) that generates Elf, Hobbit, Dwarf, Adûnaic, and Orc names, intended for fun based upon input.<br /> <br /> I've also created a ''Tengwar Transcriber'' which transcribes the input so that they're properly encoded via [http://www.acondia.com/fonts/tengwar/tenghall.htm Dan Smith's encodings]. In beta right now, drop me a note to get access. Will eventually be on the Android Market.<br /> <br /> ==== Oddities ====<br /> [[File:Valentines-wrath2.jpg|350px]]</div>

Pallando https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=User:Pallando&diff=186052 2012-02-16T12:58:52Z

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Pallando https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=User:Pallando&diff=186051 2012-02-16T12:58:30Z

<p>Pallando: </p> <hr /> <div>{{user infobox<br /> | name=Pallando<br /> | language=[[wikipedia:English|English]] <br /> | location=[[wikipedia:Colorado|Colorado]], [[wikipedia:USA|USA]]&lt;/br&gt; <br /> | gender=Male<br /> | {{Edit Count|User=Pallando}}<br /> | userboxes=&lt;div style=&quot;float: center; border:dashed #FF0000 4px; margin: 0px&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;&lt;center&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:maroon&quot;&gt;This user is a '''Member'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/center&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/div&gt;<br /> {{user ref}} <br /> {{user chrome}} <br /> {{user irc}}<br /> {{user interwiki}}<br /> | userboxheight=342px<br /> }}<br /> <br /> Hi, I'm a longtime Tolkien fan and student and am glad to be able to contribute to a resource I find very useful!<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> ===Various things===<br /> ==== Paraphernalia ====<br /> I happen to have a full, bus sized, double sided preview poster for the first Lord of the Rings movie (the one that says &quot;Power can be held in the smallest of things&quot;) framed as well as normal sized poster of the same.<br /> <br /> ==== Android =====<br /> I'm the creator of a simple Android app [https://market.android.com/details?id=net.bespokesystems.mithlond.namegen Middle-earth Name Generator] ([http://goo.gl/Xi2IS overview]) that generates Elf, Hobbit, Dwarf, Adûnaic, and Orc names, intended for fun based upon input.<br /> <br /> ==== Oddities ====<br /> [[File:Valentines-wrath2.jpg|350px]]</div>

Pallando https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Tolkien_Gateway:Copyrights/Valentine%27s_Wrath&diff=186050 2012-02-16T12:51:56Z

<p>Pallando: Created page with &quot;Licensed under a [http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/ Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License]&quot;</p> <hr /> <div>Licensed under a [http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/ Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Unported License]</div>

Pallando https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=File:Valentines-wrath2.jpg&diff=186049 2012-02-16T12:51:45Z

<p>Pallando: </p> <hr /> <div>== Summary ==<br /> Winning image from [http://www.warinthenorth.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25843 War In The North's Valentine's Day 2012 Meme Contest]<br /> == Licensing ==<br /> {{Copyright-permission|Valentine's Wrath|[http://www.warinthenorth.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25843 http://www.warinthenorth.com]}}</div>

Pallando https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=File:Valentines-wrath2.jpg&diff=186048 2012-02-16T12:46:09Z

<p>Pallando: Winning image from War In The North&#039;s Valentine&#039;s Day 2012 Meme Contest</p> <hr /> <div>== Summary ==<br /> Winning image from War In The North's Valentine's Day 2012 Meme Contest<br /> == Licensing ==<br /> {{Copyright-permission|INSERT NAME OF COPYRIGHT HOLDER|INSERT HOLDER'S WEBSITE|INSERT TG LINK}}</div>

Pallando https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=User:Pallando&diff=185882 2012-02-13T14:51:06Z

<p>Pallando: </p> <hr /> <div>{{user infobox<br /> | name=Pallando<br /> | language=[[wikipedia:English|English]] <br /> | location=[[wikipedia:Colorado|Colorado]], [[wikipedia:USA|USA]]&lt;/br&gt; <br /> | gender=Male<br /> | {{Edit Count|User=Pallando}}<br /> | userboxes=&lt;div style=&quot;float: center; border:dashed #FF0000 4px; margin: 0px&quot;&gt;&lt;font size=&quot;3&quot;&gt;&lt;center&gt;&lt;span style=&quot;color:maroon&quot;&gt;This user is a '''Member'''&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/center&gt;&lt;/font&gt;&lt;/div&gt;<br /> {{user ref}} <br /> {{user chrome}} <br /> {{user irc}}<br /> {{user interwiki}}<br /> | userboxheight=342px<br /> }}<br /> <br /> Hi, I'm a longtime Tolkien fan and student and am glad to be able to contribute to a resource I find very useful!<br /> <br /> <br /> <br /> ===Various things===<br /> I happen to have a full, bus sized, double sided preview poster for the first Lord of the Rings movie (the one that says &quot;Power can be held in the smallest of things&quot;) framed as well as normal sized poster of the same.<br /> <br /> I'm the creator of a simple Android app [https://market.android.com/details?id=net.bespokesystems.mithlond.namegen Middle-earth Name Generator] ([http://goo.gl/Xi2IS overview]) that generates Elf, Hobbit, Dwarf, Adûnaic, and Orc names, intended for fun based upon input.</div>

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