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Talk:Gothmog (Lieutenant of Morgul)

2008-09-21T18:34:24Z

Pand.:

How come only some of the orcs under Gothmog wore the spikey armor and other wore poorly made armor? {{unsigned|72.228.49.45}}

:The different types of armor from the images in the article is most likely due to the different interpretations from the artists. I know Tolkien did mention some types of Orc armor, though I don't recall which types off the top of my head. I would imagine the different ranks of Orcs and different regions in which they lived would contribute to their armor type. We probably should write an article for weapons and armor on the wiki. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 16:48, 4 September 2007 (EDT)

Couldn't he have being a Maiar in orc form and the name a crude joke of the Dark Lord. in the movie he was a little taller than the orc under his cammand.

Again just throwing out ideas here. But if the spirit of Sauron can survie is it not possible that the spirit of Gothmog lord of Balrogs survived, and that Sauron realising his power put him to his own uses as a general? --[[User:Pand.|Pand.]] 18:34, 21 September 2008 (UTC)[[Pand.]]

Forums:Newbie needing help

2008-09-21T18:30:24Z

Pand.:

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ok I found this page five days ago and thought this is great! So I signed in with my user name and everything, and had a look around. Way out of my depth. Where do you guys get all your info from? [[Pand.]]

Forums:Newbie needing help

2008-09-21T18:29:41Z

Pand.:

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ok I found this page five days ago and thought this is great! So I signed in with my user name and everything, and had a look around. Where do you guys get all your info from? [[Pand.]]

Forums:Newbie needing help

2008-09-21T18:29:20Z

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ok I found this page five days ago and thought this is great! So I signed in with my user name and everything, and had a look around. Where do you guys get all your info from?

Talk:Gothmog (Lieutenant of Morgul)

2008-09-20T22:16:07Z

Pand.:

Talk:Gothmog (Lieutenant of Morgul)

2008-09-20T22:15:01Z

Pand.:

How come only some of the orcs under Gothmog wore the spikey armor and other wore poorly made armor? {{unsigned|72.228.49.45}}

:The different types of armor from the images in the article is most likely due to the different interpretations from the artists. I know Tolkien did mention some types of Orc armor, though I don't recall which types off the top of my head. I would imagine the different ranks of Orcs and different regions in which they lived would contribute to their armor type. We probably should write an article for weapons and armor on the wiki. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 16:48, 4 September 2007 (EDT)

Couldn't he have being a Maiar in orc form and the name a crude joke of the Dark Lord. in the movie he was a little taller than the orc under his cammand.

I reckon we need to make Gothmog and Gothmog Lord of Balrogs different links. because when you type Gothmog into the Search bar it goes straight to the Lord of Balrogs one. --[[User:Pand.|Pand.]] 22:15, 20 September 2008 (UTC)[[Pand.]]

Talk:Witch-king

2008-09-20T22:12:40Z

Pand.:

== Motion Picture Picture ==

Can we get a picture of The Witch-King in the film adaptation of The Return of the King? -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 14:39, 18 July 2006 (EDT)

:Having added a movie adaptation section, I second the motion. --[[User:Ted C|Ted C]] 11:53, 20 October 2006 (EDT)

Definately need a new picture, this one is way to childish. [[Pand.]]

== Featured Article? ==
This article is surprisingly good. It's good raw material for an FA, maybe with a little more segmentation. --[[User:Theoden1|Theoden1]] 15:41, 1 June 2008 (EDT)

:It's very good. And sourced! 3 more votes to go. -- [[User:Ederchil|Ederchil]] 15:57, 1 June 2008 (EDT)

Talk:Witch-king

2008-09-20T22:11:10Z

Pand.:

== Motion Picture Picture ==

Can we get a picture of The Witch-King in the film adaptation of The Return of the King? -[[User:Lord Aragorn1414|Lord Aragorn1414]] 14:39, 18 July 2006 (EDT)

:Having added a movie adaptation section, I second the motion. --[[User:Ted C|Ted C]] 11:53, 20 October 2006 (EDT)

Definately need a new picture, this one is way to childish. [[pand.]]

== Featured Article? ==
This article is surprisingly good. It's good raw material for an FA, maybe with a little more segmentation. --[[User:Theoden1|Theoden1]] 15:41, 1 June 2008 (EDT)

:It's very good. And sourced! 3 more votes to go. -- [[User:Ederchil|Ederchil]] 15:57, 1 June 2008 (EDT)

Forums:Tom Bombadil, Man or Maia?

2008-09-20T21:50:53Z

Pand.:

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I have read numerous articles about Tom Bombadil and who exactly he is. But there are SO many different opinions, I still can't figure it out. I am a Tolkien fan under 20, and would really like a good strong opinion using facts to help me figure out who he really is. Below are some opinions i have heard:

1. Tom Bombadil is a "retired" Maia.

2. Tom Bombadil is just a crazy man.

3. Tom Bombadil was a fictional character from bedtime stories that Tolkien would make up for his children. Then he was later added to LoTR for no reason, just as an enigma.

Please help me out here. Thanks.

:Well, young fan. First off, our article on ol' Tom is a wreck - I'm planning to rewrite that. As for the opinions - #3 is the right one. -- [[User:Ederchil|Ederchil]] 03:21, 19 July 2008 (EDT)

:He's not a Maia or indeed a Vala because he says he was in Middle Earth before even Melkor. Obviously he's not a man, for a start he's immune to the ring's effects (which since Gandalf and Saruman aren't would be another reason he's not a Maia) and he's many thousands of years too old. Number 3 is correct, but that doesn't mean he can't be placed in Middle earth's cosmology. The way I see it, since we can't fit him in to any other categories and because of his unequivocal claim to being "Oldest" he is an integral part of the Music of the Ainur; a natural force of Middle earth, a [[hröa]] without a [[fëa]]. --[[User:Aule the Smith|Aule the Smith]] 13:42, 7 August 2008 (EDT)
::Can't agree more. It's exactly my opinion about Tom since years. Nice going, Aule. [[User:Sage|Sage]] 17:27, 7 August 2008 (EDT)
:::Yes, I also agree with Aule. Tom Bombadil could be part of the Music of the Ainur. He could be made with Arda at the beginning of Time. However I'm not completely sure, because the assumption don't clarify why Tom, made together with Arda, is free to the Ring's evil effects, whilst the Ainur (like the Maiar) made by Ilúvatar before the Creation are not free. We can't forget that Arda is not immune from the evil effects of Morgoth's (and Sauron's) power. So the supposition that Tom Bombadil is part of the Middle-Earth and at the same time immune from the Ring's power could be a little paradox. [[User:Finrod Felagund|Finrod Felagund]] 13:09, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

:::Could it possibly be that Tom B. is an avatar of Illúvatar? I have seen this tossed around by a few Tolkien scholars. In many forms of myth, some avatars of greater gods are not even aware that this is what they are. Japanese Myth for instance is replete with characters who are the avatars of great spirits who have no idea that this is their origin. Joseph Campbell talks about this in relation to primitive societies where the avatars must live among mankind in order to understand their suffering before they are allowed to enter into "Heaven" to take their place among the motive forces of the universe.

:::Maybe this is what Tom B. is. I am pretty sure that he would have been unaware of Campbell (due to Campbell not yet having written most of his works and just being a student of Jung at the time. Being such a creature would give him the insights into the world and a flighty short attention span.

:::Of course, it is just another theory, and it is far more likely that Tom is just an accident in the writing of ''The Lord of the Rings'' when he still had a vision of it as a more thorough children's story than ''The Hobbit''. As such, he is the mystery of the far off towers in the mist which hold the promise of adventure for some and peril for others.
--[[User:Pand.|Pand.]] 21:50, 20 September 2008 (UTC)[:::Pand.]]]]

I reckon Tom is basicaly a god. I think that he's the creator of everything natural, hence his power over trees. As he is a 'god' he is not affected by age or the ring.

:::[[User:Matthew|Matthew]] 17:21, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

::::Another suggestion I have heard is that he is a personification of Middle-earth: the ring doesn't affect him because the Ring affects people and not the land itself. This also might help to explain Goldberry's connection with him as she comes from Middle-earth itself (the Withywindle).

::::But, ultimately, as Tolkien said in Letter 144, "''And even in a mythical age there must be some enigmas, as there always are. Tom Bombadil is one (intentionally).''" (In fact, Letter 144 is probably the most interesting and important with regards to Tolkien's thinking on Bombadil).

::::With regards to the article on Tom, I think we should just state all the relevant points of view, with evidence and leave it at that. --[[User:Mith|Mith]] 14:20, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

User:Pand.

2008-09-20T21:48:32Z

Pand.: New page: Hi I'm Pand. (Real name Pete) your average English teenager into Lord of the Rings. Right now I'm checking most of the pages and editing one or two bits, enen though their is not much to d...

Hi I'm Pand. (Real name Pete) your average English teenager into Lord of the Rings. Right now I'm checking most of the pages and editing one or two bits, enen though their is not much to do. You guys are goood at this!

Forums:Tom Bombadil, Man or Maia?

2008-09-20T21:46:10Z

Pand.:

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I have read numerous articles about Tom Bombadil and who exactly he is. But there are SO many different opinions, I still can't figure it out. I am a Tolkien fan under 20, and would really like a good strong opinion using facts to help me figure out who he really is. Below are some opinions i have heard:

1. Tom Bombadil is a "retired" Maia.

2. Tom Bombadil is just a crazy man.

3. Tom Bombadil was a fictional character from bedtime stories that Tolkien would make up for his children. Then he was later added to LoTR for no reason, just as an enigma.

Please help me out here. Thanks.

:Well, young fan. First off, our article on ol' Tom is a wreck - I'm planning to rewrite that. As for the opinions - #3 is the right one. -- [[User:Ederchil|Ederchil]] 03:21, 19 July 2008 (EDT)

:He's not a Maia or indeed a Vala because he says he was in Middle Earth before even Melkor. Obviously he's not a man, for a start he's immune to the ring's effects (which since Gandalf and Saruman aren't would be another reason he's not a Maia) and he's many thousands of years too old. Number 3 is correct, but that doesn't mean he can't be placed in Middle earth's cosmology. The way I see it, since we can't fit him in to any other categories and because of his unequivocal claim to being "Oldest" he is an integral part of the Music of the Ainur; a natural force of Middle earth, a [[hröa]] without a [[fëa]]. --[[User:Aule the Smith|Aule the Smith]] 13:42, 7 August 2008 (EDT)
::Can't agree more. It's exactly my opinion about Tom since years. Nice going, Aule. [[User:Sage|Sage]] 17:27, 7 August 2008 (EDT)
:::Yes, I also agree with Aule. Tom Bombadil could be part of the Music of the Ainur. He could be made with Arda at the beginning of Time. However I'm not completely sure, because the assumption don't clarify why Tom, made together with Arda, is free to the Ring's evil effects, whilst the Ainur (like the Maiar) made by Ilúvatar before the Creation are not free. We can't forget that Arda is not immune from the evil effects of Morgoth's (and Sauron's) power. So the supposition that Tom Bombadil is part of the Middle-Earth and at the same time immune from the Ring's power could be a little paradox. [[User:Finrod Felagund|Finrod Felagund]] 13:09, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

:::Could it possibly be that Tom B. is an avatar of Illúvatar? I have seen this tossed around by a few Tolkien scholars. In many forms of myth, some avatars of greater gods are not even aware that this is what they are. Japanese Myth for instance is replete with characters who are the avatars of great spirits who have no idea that this is their origin. Joseph Campbell talks about this in relation to primitive societies where the avatars must live among mankind in order to understand their suffering before they are allowed to enter into "Heaven" to take their place among the motive forces of the universe.

:::Maybe this is what Tom B. is. I am pretty sure that he would have been unaware of Campbell (due to Campbell not yet having written most of his works and just being a student of Jung at the time. Being such a creature would give him the insights into the world and a flighty short attention span.

:::Of course, it is just another theory, and it is far more likely that Tom is just an accident in the writing of ''The Lord of the Rings'' when he still had a vision of it as a more thorough children's story than ''The Hobbit''. As such, he is the mystery of the far off towers in the mist which hold the promise of adventure for some and peril for others.

:::Pand.

I reckon Tom is basicaly a god. I think that he's the creator of everything natural, hence his power over trees. As he is a 'god' he is not affected by age or the ring.

:::[[User:Matthew|Matthew]] 17:21, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

::::Another suggestion I have heard is that he is a personification of Middle-earth: the ring doesn't affect him because the Ring affects people and not the land itself. This also might help to explain Goldberry's connection with him as she comes from Middle-earth itself (the Withywindle).

::::But, ultimately, as Tolkien said in Letter 144, "''And even in a mythical age there must be some enigmas, as there always are. Tom Bombadil is one (intentionally).''" (In fact, Letter 144 is probably the most interesting and important with regards to Tolkien's thinking on Bombadil).

::::With regards to the article on Tom, I think we should just state all the relevant points of view, with evidence and leave it at that. --[[User:Mith|Mith]] 14:20, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Forums:Tom Bombadil, Man or Maia?

2008-09-20T21:43:24Z

Pand.:

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I have read numerous articles about Tom Bombadil and who exactly he is. But there are SO many different opinions, I still can't figure it out. I am a Tolkien fan under 20, and would really like a good strong opinion using facts to help me figure out who he really is. Below are some opinions i have heard:

1. Tom Bombadil is a "retired" Maia.

2. Tom Bombadil is just a crazy man.

3. Tom Bombadil was a fictional character from bedtime stories that Tolkien would make up for his children. Then he was later added to LoTR for no reason, just as an enigma.

Please help me out here. Thanks.

:Well, young fan. First off, our article on ol' Tom is a wreck - I'm planning to rewrite that. As for the opinions - #3 is the right one. -- [[User:Ederchil|Ederchil]] 03:21, 19 July 2008 (EDT)

:He's not a Maia or indeed a Vala because he says he was in Middle Earth before even Melkor. Obviously he's not a man, for a start he's immune to the ring's effects (which since Gandalf and Saruman aren't would be another reason he's not a Maia) and he's many thousands of years too old. Number 3 is correct, but that doesn't mean he can't be placed in Middle earth's cosmology. The way I see it, since we can't fit him in to any other categories and because of his unequivocal claim to being "Oldest" he is an integral part of the Music of the Ainur; a natural force of Middle earth, a [[hröa]] without a [[fëa]]. --[[User:Aule the Smith|Aule the Smith]] 13:42, 7 August 2008 (EDT)
::Can't agree more. It's exactly my opinion about Tom since years. Nice going, Aule. [[User:Sage|Sage]] 17:27, 7 August 2008 (EDT)
:::Yes, I also agree with Aule. Tom Bombadil could be part of the Music of the Ainur. He could be made with Arda at the beginning of Time. However I'm not completely sure, because the assumption don't clarify why Tom, made together with Arda, is free to the Ring's evil effects, whilst the Ainur (like the Maiar) made by Ilúvatar before the Creation are not free. We can't forget that Arda is not immune from the evil effects of Morgoth's (and Sauron's) power. So the supposition that Tom Bombadil is part of the Middle-Earth and at the same time immune from the Ring's power could be a little paradox. [[User:Finrod Felagund|Finrod Felagund]] 13:09, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

:::Could it possibly be that Tom B. is an avatar of Illúvatar? I have seen this tossed around by a few Tolkien scholars. In many forms of myth, some avatars of greater gods are not even aware that this is what they are. Japanese Myth for instance is replete with characters who are the avatars of great spirits who have no idea that this is their origin. Joseph Campbell talks about this in relation to primitive societies where the avatars must live among mankind in order to understand their suffering before they are allowed to enter into "Heaven" to take their place among the motive forces of the universe.

:::Maybe this is what Tom B. is. I am pretty sure that he would have been unaware of Campbell (due to Campbell not yet having written most of his works and just being a student of Jung at the time. Being such a creature would give him the insights into the world and a flighty short attention span.

:::Of course, it is just another theory, and it is far more likely that Tom is just an accident in the writing of ''The Lord of the Rings'' when he still had a vision of it as a more thorough children's story than ''The Hobbit''. As such, he is the mystery of the far off towers in the mist which hold the promise of adventure for some and peril for others.

:::Panda.

I reckon Tom is basicaly a god. I think that hes the creator of everything natural, hence his power over trees. As he is a 'god' he is not affected by age or the ring.

:::[[User:Matthew|Matthew]] 17:21, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

::::Another suggestion I have heard is that he is a personification of Middle-earth: the ring doesn't affect him because the Ring affects people and not the land itself. This also might help to explain Goldberry's connection with him as she comes from Middle-earth itself (the Withywindle).

::::But, ultimately, as Tolkien said in Letter 144, "''And even in a mythical age there must be some enigmas, as there always are. Tom Bombadil is one (intentionally).''" (In fact, Letter 144 is probably the most interesting and important with regards to Tolkien's thinking on Bombadil).

::::With regards to the article on Tom, I think we should just state all the relevant points of view, with evidence and leave it at that. --[[User:Mith|Mith]] 14:20, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Gimli

2008-09-20T21:34:25Z

Pand.:

Should we expand on the movie depiction of Gimli, which I think was pretty bad. How many dwarf-tossing jokes did we have to endure? --[[User:Ted C|Ted C]] 15:05, 22 November 2006 (EST)

I agree with the movie thing. The Two Towers review is definatley too short. if you ask me one of Peter Jacksons worst move, trying to inject some humour with Gimli. Gimli should be tough and warlike not the butt of the joke.--Panda.

Talk:Gimli

2008-09-20T21:32:54Z

Pand.:

Fíli

2008-09-20T21:22:16Z

Pand.:

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| name=Fíli
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| life=[[Third Age 2859|T.A. 2859]] - [[Third Age 2941|T.A. 91]]
| realm= [[Thorin's Halls]], [[Erebor]]
| parentage=[[Dís]]
| lineage=[[Durin's line]]
| hood=Blue
| gender=Male
|}}
'''Fíli''' ([[Third Age]] 2859 - 2941, 72 years old) was the brother of [[Kíli]] and nephew of [[Thorin II Oakenshield]] (their mother [[Dís]]'s oldest brother). He accompanied his uncle along with his brother Kíli and ten other Dwarves on the [[Quest of Erebor]]. Together Kili and Fili were the youngest of Thorin and Company. After helping find Smaugs treasure Fíli was slain with his brother while defending his mortally wounded uncle in the [[Battle of Five Armies]].

==Etymology==
''Fíli'' is a dwarf from the Norse mythology and the name means "File".
== Genealogy ==
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Talk:Saruman

2008-09-20T21:18:45Z

Pand.: /* First Quote */ new section

I think the change from "Saruman arrived alone" to "Saruman [arrived] with Radagast" touches upon the matter of [[canon|canonicity]]. There are different versions of the history of the arrival of the Istari. --[[User:Earendilyon|Earendilyon]] 07:13, 16 July 2006 (EDT)

:I'll have to research the matter more so I can refresh my memory. Maybe it would be beneficial to mention both possibilities and their sources so as to let the reader decide? --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 12:28, 16 July 2006 (EDT)

Would anyone else consider it worthwhile to separate the description of Saruman's powers from his history and personality? --[[User:Ted C|Ted C]] 12:07, 10 October 2006 (EDT)

:I think that would be a great idea. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 12:21, 10 October 2006 (EDT)

== First Quote ==

I reckon we need to change the opening quote of Treebeard. I think we need one that shows how powerful it is and I do not think the current one does him justice. What do you guys think.

Talk:Aragorn II

2008-09-20T20:58:15Z

Pand.: /* Aragorn II */ new section

==Any siblings?==
According to [[Arathorn II]], Aragorn was "his only son" (unsourced), but did he have any sisters and would they be regarded as heirs of Isildur? If not, wouldn't an heir of Isildur have to ensure he had kids (instead of waiting for permission to marry Arwen) before doing what he did as Thorongil and in the war? -- [[User:Jeandré|Jeandré]], 2006-08-13[[User talk:Jeandré|t]]07:17z

:Aragorn was Arathorn's only child and thus the only possible heir of Isildur. I don't think Aragorn was someone who would be willing to have a child with anyone but Arwen simply to continue the line. Aragorn knew if he didn't stay focused on the [[War of the Ring]] having a child would be irrelevant as [[Sauron]] and Evil would reign supreme over [[Men]]. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 15:17, 13 August 2006 (EDT)

==Six daughters?==
Linathiel, where exactly did you get the number "six" from? -- [[User:Ederchil|Ederchil]] 03:25, 7 February 2008 (EST)

==Quote==
{{quote|Tall as the sea-kings of old, he stood above all that were near; ancient of days he seemed and yet in the flower of manhood; and wisdom sat upon his brow, and strength and healing were in his hands, and a light was about him.|''[[The Return of the King]]'', [[The Steward and the King]]}}
What do you think about this quote? I think it describes better who Aragorn was and what an impression he made on others than the current one, doesn't it? -- [[User:Eldarion Telcontar|Eldarion Telcontar]] 15:21, 16 May 2008 (EDT)

:I agree. Don't like this quote -- [[User:Ederchil|Ederchil]] 15:14, 16 May 2008 (EDT)

::Well, I have just now edited the article so the new quote is there. -- [[User:Eldarion Telcontar|Eldarion Telcontar]] 15:26, 16 May 2008 (EDT)

:My fellow senior editors, let's keep it civil. These are primary source quotes, and as long as they are on topic, should be beyond question. --[[User:Theoden1|Theoden1]] 09:16, 17 May 2008 (EDT)

::We're civil. "This" quote referred to the then-current quote. -- [[User:Ederchil|Ederchil]] 09:18, 17 May 2008 (EDT)

== main pic ==

Is it me? Or the main pic is indeed one of Howe's worst moments? Anyone agrees to change? [[User:Sage|Sage]] 19:09, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

:It doesn't bother me personally but it can be changed if we can decide on a better one, do you have any in mind? --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 19:27, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

::Viggo [[User:Sage|Sage]] 19:43, 12 August 2008 (EDT)

:::Please no. Isn't there some book art available? -- [[User:Ederchil|Ederchil]] 02:39, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

::::I rather like it to be honest. It pays homage to the films while still not being a direct crib. It's a picture that people who had only seen the films could instantly recognise as much as those who had only read the book and represents Aragorn at possibly the highest point in his life. So while not particularly striking an image it does however tick all the boxes [[User:Dr Death|Dr Death]] 05:07, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

:::::The wiki definitely has plenty of room for images from the films, specifically when accurate and quality illustrations are lacking. But for Aragorn, surely we can do better than a picture of Viggo. I think more important than choosing an illustration or image which is recognizable and the fan has most likely already seen, is an illustration or image which the fan hasn't seen yet and still accurately represents the subject matter. There are so many hundreds of fantastic depictions of Aragorn, I'd hate to make the reader think an image of Viggo is the best there is after over 50 years. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 12:24, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

::::::My point was not to sacrifice the present image in favour of Viggo's; It was only a suggestion. My point was exactly what I said: We all like Howe but I really think he could do better with this one... his nose and eyes are out of place. Perhaps it's just me but something about it bothered me from the first moment. I don't have anything in mind to suggest, I trust that you are more into Tolkien art than me. [[User:Sage|Sage]] 16:13, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

== Aragorn II ==

Definatly a bad picture. He needs to look more like a battle hardened rustic Aragorn not a high, mighty poorly drawn Aragorn.

== Aragorn II ==

Definatly a bad picture. He needs to look more like a battle hardened rustic Aragorn not a high, mighty poorly drawn Aragorn.

Talk:Aragorn II

2008-09-20T20:58:12Z

Pand.: /* Aragorn II */ new section

User talk:Pand.

2008-09-20T20:52:00Z

Pand.: Adding welcome message to new user's talk page