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Talk:Amdír

2010-11-15T18:26:53Z

Plant doc:

Is the picture appropriate for this entry?? I mean, is it an image that is supposed to represent Amdir, a male elf? [[User:Plant doc|Plant doc]] 18:26, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Amdír

2010-11-15T18:26:07Z

Plant doc: Created page with 'Is the picture appropriate for this entry?? ~~~~'

Is the picture appropriate for this entry?? [[User:Plant doc|Plant doc]] 18:26, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Talk:The Hobbit (film series)

2008-04-25T19:41:54Z

Plant doc:

Dudes, this is awesome news! Dwarf lord

[[Hyarion]] wrote: "Unfortunately due to disputes between the distributing rights and the filming rights progress is slow." Is this correctly worded? It reads rather odd! --[[User:Earendilyon|Earendilyon]] 13:42, 1 September 2006 (EDT)

:It sounds better if we add a few commas in there: "Unfortunately, due to disputes between the distributing rights and the filming rights, progress is slow." --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 16:03, 1 September 2006 (EDT)

PJ not doing The Hobbit? At least we'll be spared of his revisionism. Sorry, Ringers! [[User:Rog|Rog]] 16:06, 20 November 2006 (EST)

:[[Peter Jackson]] was actually confirmed last year to be producing/writing/etc for the film, however Guillermo del Toro, as of today, will be directing the film. As the other articles on films use the director's name I moved the article to keep with the standard. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 22:24, 24 April 2008 (EDT)

Is there still litigation with the Tolkien estate that might slow progress? --[[User:Plant doc|Plant doc]]

Talk:The Hobbit (film series)

2008-04-25T01:17:19Z

Plant doc:

Is there still litigation with the Tolkien estate that might slow progress? --[[User:Plant doc|Plant doc]]

Dudes, this is awesome news! Dwarf lord

[[Hyarion]] wrote: "Unfortunately due to disputes between the distributing rights and the filming rights progress is slow." Is this correctly worded? It reads rather odd! --[[User:Earendilyon|Earendilyon]] 13:42, 1 September 2006 (EDT)

:It sounds better if we add a few commas in there: "Unfortunately, due to disputes between the distributing rights and the filming rights, progress is slow." --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 16:03, 1 September 2006 (EDT)

PJ not doing The Hobbit? At least we'll be spared of his revisionism. Sorry, Ringers! [[User:Rog|Rog]] 16:06, 20 November 2006 (EST)

Battle of Bywater

2008-04-13T01:44:40Z

Plant doc: /* Battle */

{{battle
| name= Battle of Bywater
| image=
| conflict= [[War of the Ring]]
| date= November 3, [[Third Age 3019|T.A. 3019]]
| result=Scouring of the Shire
| place= Bywater, [[the Shire]]
| side1=Hobbits
| side2=[[Sharkey]]'s men
| commanders1=[[Meriadoc Brandybuck]], [[Peregrin Took]], [[Tolman Cotton Senior]]
| commanders2=[[Saruman]]
| forces1=*200 [[Buckland|Bucklanders]]
*100 [[Tooks]]
*[[Samwise Gamgee]]
*[[Tolman Cotton Junior|Young Tom]], [[Wilcome II Cotton|Jolly]] and [[Bowman Cotton|Nick Cotton]]
*Unknown number of [[Hobbiton]] residents
| forces2=100 [[Ruffians]]
| casual1=19 Hobbits killed, 30 wounded
| casual2=70 Ruffians killed, 12 captured
|}}

The '''Battle of Bywater''' was the last military engagement of the [[War of the Ring]], and the second battle to have been fought in [[the Shire]]

==Prelude==
When [[Frodo Baggins|Frodo]] and his companions returned from the Coronation of [[Aragorn II|Elessar]], they found their homeland to be under the dominion of [[Ruffians]]. These Men had been pouring in the Shire since late [[Third Age 3018|3018]], and were under the command of "the Chief", or "[[Sharkey]]", who outlawed everything Hobbits held dear; food and [[:Category:Inns|inns]] most notably. It didn't take [[Meriadoc Brandybuck|Merry]], [[Peregrin Took|Pippin]] and [[Samwise Gamgee|Sam]] long to violate several rules:
<blockquote>''You're arrested for Gate-breaking, and Tearin up of Rules, and Assaulting Gatekeepers, and Tresspassing, and Sleeping in Shire-buildings without Leave, and Bribing Guards with Food.''<sup>[[#References|1]]</sup></blockquote>

The four Hobbits were arrested, but managed to talk themselves out of custody, and subsequently rally the Hobbits to overthrow the Chief. A small group of Men was encountered, and Pippin declared the return of the King to them, and the message that emissaries were on their way. When he was scoffed, he declared himself the emissary, as he wasn't released from Elessar's service yet. The group was routed, but managed to get a message to a bigger contignent in [[Waymeet]].

==Battle==
As 20 Men from [[Hobbiton]] marched towards Bywater, 200 Bucklanders answered the call of Captain Merry's horn. In Bywater, barricades were set up at the command of Merry. Meanwhile, the Cottons also joined the group.

When the Men came, they did not expect a trap. They walked up [[Bywater Road]], up to the point where [[Tolman Cotton Senior|Farmer Cotton]] was standing. They threatened him, but found themselves heavily outnumbered, and as the hobbits closed the barricade behind them, also surrounded. Their leader fell by arrows as he tried to strike at Merry. The rest surrendered.

The larger group of Men from Waymeet arrived the following day. In the meantime, Pippin had set up a rebellion in [[Tookland]], and returned with one hundred Tooks. Merry set up a defensive pocket on a heavily banked part of the Bywater Road. The Men walked straight into the pocket. Some surrendered, some escaped, and about twenty broke out. Six men and two hobbits were killed. The others now became desperate, and didn't care about escaping, only killing. The banks proved to steep to climb, and many fell before Hobbit axes. Merry and Pippin charged from the eastern bank, and Merry killed the leader

==Aftermath==
In the end, nearly 70 Men were killed and 12 were taken prisoner, while 19 Hobbits died and about 30 were wounded. The dead Men were buried in a nearby sand-pit that came to be called the Battle Pit. The Hobbits were buried separately, and a stone was placed on their grave with a garden around it. A Roll was made of the names of all the Hobbits who fought in the Battle of Bywater, with Captains Meriadoc Brandybuck and Peregrin Took listed at the top.

After the victory at Bywater, the Hobbits marched on to [[Bag End]], where they found Sharkey. It was not [[Lotho Sackville-Baggins|Lotho]], but rather [[Saruman]]. Saruman was sent away by Frodo, and Saruman revealed that his servant [[Gríma Wormtongue|Gríma]] killed Lotho. Gríma cut Saruman's throat in revenge for years of emotional supression, but was himself shot by Hobbit archers. As the spirit of Saruman rose from its bodily form, it was blown away by a wind from the West; [[Manwë]] did not want him back.

The following year, preparations were made to restore the damage done by Saruman. Sam spread the seeds from [[Sam's garden box|the box of Galadriel]], and planted the [[mallorn]]-seed where once the [[The Party Tree]] had stood. 1420, by Shire Reckoning, became one of the best harvest years ever.

==Portrayal in adaptations==
Due to the anti-climactic nature of the battle, both the [[Rankin/Bass' The Return of the King|Rankin/Bass]] and the [[Peter Jackson's The Return of the King|Peter Jackson]] movies left out the Battle of Bywater.

==References==
# [[The Return of the King]]; [[Homeward Bound]], [[The Scouring of the Shire]], [[The Grey Havens]]

{{wotr}}

[[Category:Conflicts of the Third Age]]
[[de:Schlacht von Wasserau]]
[[fi:Virranvarren Taistelu]]

Battle of Bywater

2008-04-13T01:43:32Z

Plant doc: /* Aftermath */

{{battle
| name= Battle of Bywater
| image=
| conflict= [[War of the Ring]]
| date= November 3, [[Third Age 3019|T.A. 3019]]
| result=Scouring of the Shire
| place= Bywater, [[the Shire]]
| side1=Hobbits
| side2=[[Sharkey]]'s men
| commanders1=[[Meriadoc Brandybuck]], [[Peregrin Took]], [[Tolman Cotton Senior]]
| commanders2=[[Saruman]]
| forces1=*200 [[Buckland|Bucklanders]]
*100 [[Tooks]]
*[[Samwise Gamgee]]
*[[Tolman Cotton Junior|Young Tom]], [[Wilcome II Cotton|Jolly]] and [[Bowman Cotton|Nick Cotton]]
*Unknown number of [[Hobbiton]] residents
| forces2=100 [[Ruffians]]
| casual1=19 Hobbits killed, 30 wounded
| casual2=70 Ruffians killed, 12 captured
|}}

The '''Battle of Bywater''' was the last military engagement of the [[War of the Ring]], and the second battle to have been fought in [[the Shire]]

==Prelude==
When [[Frodo Baggins|Frodo]] and his companions returned from the Coronation of [[Aragorn II|Elessar]], they found their homeland to be under the dominion of [[Ruffians]]. These Men had been pouring in the Shire since late [[Third Age 3018|3018]], and were under the command of "the Chief", or "[[Sharkey]]", who outlawed everything Hobbits held dear; food and [[:Category:Inns|inns]] most notably. It didn't take [[Meriadoc Brandybuck|Merry]], [[Peregrin Took|Pippin]] and [[Samwise Gamgee|Sam]] long to violate several rules:
<blockquote>''You're arrested for Gate-breaking, and Tearin up of Rules, and Assaulting Gatekeepers, and Tresspassing, and Sleeping in Shire-buildings without Leave, and Bribing Guards with Food.''<sup>[[#References|1]]</sup></blockquote>

The four Hobbits were arrested, but managed to talk themselves out of custody, and subsequently rally the Hobbits to overthrow the Chief. A small group of Men was encountered, and Pippin declared the return of the King to them, and the message that emissaries were on their way. When he was scoffed, he declared himself the emissary, as he wasn't released from Elessar's service yet. The group was routed, but managed to get a message to a bigger contignent in [[Waymeet]].

==Battle==
As 20 Men from [[Hobbiton]] marched towards Bywater, 200 Bucklanders answered the call of Captain Merry's horn. In Bywater, barricades were set up at the command of Merry. Meanwhile, the Cottons also joined the group.

When the Men came, they did not expect a trap. They walked up [[Bywater Road]], up to the point where [[Tolman Cotton Senior|Farmer Cotton]] was standing. They threatened him, but found themselves heavily outnumbered, and as the hobbits closed the barricade behind them, also surrounded. Their leader fell by arrows as tried to strike at Merry. The rest surrendered.

The larger group of Men from Waymeet arrived the following day. In the meantime, Pippin had set up rebellion in [[Tookland]], and returned with hundred Tooks. Merry set up a defensive pocket on a heavily banked part of the Bywater Road. The Men walked straight into the pocket. Some surrendered, some escaped, and about twenty broke out. Six men and two hobbits were killed. The others now became desperate, and didn't care about escaping, only killing. The banks proved to steep to climb, and many fell before Hobbit axes. Merry and Pippin charged from the eastern bank, and Merry killed the leader

==Aftermath==
In the end, nearly 70 Men were killed and 12 were taken prisoner, while 19 Hobbits died and about 30 were wounded. The dead Men were buried in a nearby sand-pit that came to be called the Battle Pit. The Hobbits were buried separately, and a stone was placed on their grave with a garden around it. A Roll was made of the names of all the Hobbits who fought in the Battle of Bywater, with Captains Meriadoc Brandybuck and Peregrin Took listed at the top.

After the victory at Bywater, the Hobbits marched on to [[Bag End]], where they found Sharkey. It was not [[Lotho Sackville-Baggins|Lotho]], but rather [[Saruman]]. Saruman was sent away by Frodo, and Saruman revealed that his servant [[Gríma Wormtongue|Gríma]] killed Lotho. Gríma cut Saruman's throat in revenge for years of emotional supression, but was himself shot by Hobbit archers. As the spirit of Saruman rose from its bodily form, it was blown away by a wind from the West; [[Manwë]] did not want him back.

The following year, preparations were made to restore the damage done by Saruman. Sam spread the seeds from [[Sam's garden box|the box of Galadriel]], and planted the [[mallorn]]-seed where once the [[The Party Tree]] had stood. 1420, by Shire Reckoning, became one of the best harvest years ever.

==Portrayal in adaptations==
Due to the anti-climactic nature of the battle, both the [[Rankin/Bass' The Return of the King|Rankin/Bass]] and the [[Peter Jackson's The Return of the King|Peter Jackson]] movies left out the Battle of Bywater.

==References==
# [[The Return of the King]]; [[Homeward Bound]], [[The Scouring of the Shire]], [[The Grey Havens]]

{{wotr}}

[[Category:Conflicts of the Third Age]]
[[de:Schlacht von Wasserau]]
[[fi:Virranvarren Taistelu]]

Talk:Days before days

2007-09-08T12:57:00Z

Plant doc:

Is the use of "Ringil" correct here? The link from Ringil shows this as the name of Fingolfin's sword (which is correct), but there is no reference to the use of this term as the name for a tower of a Lamp. Which entry requires revision - the Years of the Lamps entry to correct "Ringil" or the revision of the "Ringil" entry to add this second (and earlier) use of the name? [[User:Plant doc|Plant doc]] 08:57, 8 September 2007 (EDT)

Category talk:Horses

2007-09-05T02:44:19Z

Plant doc:

How about adding ''Lightfoot'' to the list of horses as one of the parents of Snowmane (from the epitaph of Snowmane in TROTK)? {{unsigned|70.106.219.13}}

:Thanks for catching that, I'm not sure how we missed [[Lightfoot]], an article has been created and added to this category. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 21:43, 1 September 2007 (EDT)

No problem. I just discovered the Gateway recently and have been avidly digging through it. Glad to contribute in some small way. --plant_doc