Talk:The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power

2023-07-03T05:48:02Z

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==Name==
Should this page be called '''Amazon's Middle earth series''' instead of '''The Lord of the Rings (TV series)'''?I am saying that because we don't have an official name for the upcoming tv show.--[[User:Γιάννης Ευαγγελίου]] 10:29, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

:Whatever the name of the show will be, the article name will change accordingly so don't worry about it too much. Also thank you for working on some of the ancillary articles. --[[User:Gaetano|Gaetano]] 19:49, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

== Cast ==

I don't think that we have names of the characters played by the actors so why is characters written in the tilte of the section?--Shivam 01:56, 11 April 2021 (UTC)

==Images==
Hi. I'm quite happy seeing this article being updated collectively. However, I think the matter of the images is getting a little over the top. It is quite unnecessary having the 23 posters, which will never be used in the wiki. I'm keeping them for the time being, but if Mith agrees, I'd vote keeping just a few of them. On the Vanity Fair's photos, I'll delete them all, because those belong to Vanity Fair, not to Amazon, so I don't know if they fall into fair use and if they actually portray the vision of the series. "Dress me slowly, I am in a hurry". --[[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] 00:02, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

== Εnrichment ==

I think that this page should be enriched with more information about it's production and not only that.So, what do you think?--[[User:Γιάννης Ευαγγελίου]] 12:32, 11 October 2022 (UTC)
:Amazon does have behind the scenes interviews with the cast and crew on YouTube if that is what you mean.[[User:Dour1234|Dour1234]] ([[User talk:Dour1234|talk]]) 12:46, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

== Deviations ==

As I have read generally, this series has a lot of deviations from Tolkien's works, and as a result, it reminds Tolkien's world only in words.I mean, almost all of these events that happens do not remind in events that happens in Tolkien's works.So, what do you think? --[[User:Γιάννης Ευαγγελίου|Γιάννης Ευαγγελίου]] ([[User talk:Γιάννης Ευαγγελίου|talk]]) 23:07, 5 January 2023 (UTC)

:As stated below, entire sections devoted to deviations from the source material have been added to the pages relating to the movies. Not allowing the information to be added to this page makes the article appear biased and gives a false impression to the audience that the series is totally accurate in every point.
:Please restore this section. [[User:English Lady|English Lady]] ([[User talk:English Lady|talk]]) 20:34, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
::I have read Tolkien’s works, and know of his lore fairly well. I have, to my own chagrin, watched Rings of Power, and I can with all honesty, that it is Tolkien in name only.
::The actions, attitudes, and motivations for the characters holding the names of those Tolkien created are either a complete antithesis to the source or so inaccurately written for this show, that there is no direct connection or correlation to the source from which it is derived. [[User:Raziel|Raziel]] ([[User talk:Raziel|talk]]) 05:48, 3 July 2023 (UTC)

== Deviations from the Source Material ==

@[[User:English Lady|English Lady]] Hi! Instead of listing each episode and the differences between the source material here, what are your thoughts on moving these statements to their respective episode articles? If we want to include a few major overarching differences here that span multiple episodes, that seems fine, but otherwise all the details would likely be better suited on the episode articles. [[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] ([[User talk:Hyarion|talk]]) 19:15, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

:I disagree with this. I only say this because the pages relating to the movies have had entire sections added relating to the deviations from source material. Removing this from the page gives the (false) impression that Rings of Power does not deviate from the source material at all, and makes the article appear partisan. This will be most people's first line of reference and they will not bother to look at the seperate episodes, again, giving the false impression the series is 100% lore accurate. [[User:English Lady|English Lady]] ([[User talk:English Lady|talk]]) 20:32, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

Also, please, don't remove Season's 2 cast. Definitely, the differences are much better disclosed in each episode's article. You can see people already began doing that work. --[[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] ([[User talk:LorenzoCB|talk]]) 19:43, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

:Again, I think they should be listed on the main page because most people will not click over to the pages for each episode. Removing them from the main page gives readers the wrong impression that the series does not deviate from the lore in any way.
:Also the way in which devations from lore are described as not neutral and is misleading in places. For example what is clearly supposed to depict Finrod taking the Oath of Feanor is excused as "just an oath to fight Sauron which he might have taken". [[User:English Lady|English Lady]] ([[User talk:English Lady|talk]]) 20:46, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
::Like I said, we can keep a section that lists the biggest overarching differences between the books and the show, but aspects that are specific to an individual episode should be listed on the specific episode articles, both for readability and because that is the most relevant article to put the information. It's easy to add a disclaimer that additional differences can be found on their respective episode articles. [[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] ([[User talk:Hyarion|talk]]) 21:00, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
:::OK I can do that if you like..... [[User:English Lady|English Lady]] ([[User talk:English Lady|talk]]) 21:03, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

::::If you are worried about losing what you have written, you can find it [https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=The_Lord_of_the_Rings:_The_Rings_of_Power&curid=56232&oldid=376260#Deviations_from_the_Source_Material here]. The Oath of Fëanor is not mentioned in the series, so we cannot include it directly. Please, correct my edits and my grammar, but do not reverse them direcly. It's very rude, specially me being an admin. --[[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] ([[User talk:LorenzoCB|talk]]) 21:12, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
:::::Although it is not explicitly mentioned, it is obvious that this event is meant to be the Oath of Feanor as it takes places before the Noldor leave Valinor and Sauron is not mentioned in that part of the narrative. Only Melkor, and their desire to fight him is mentioned. It is clearly supposed to be the Oath of Feanor. [[User:English Lady|English Lady]] ([[User talk:English Lady|talk]]) 21:22, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
:::::As to the latter, my initial edits were removed without a reason being given. Considering that you have a known bias in favour of Rings of Power on other social media sites, it can only be assumed this descsion was partisan. [[User:English Lady|English Lady]] ([[User talk:English Lady|talk]]) 21:24, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
::::::So just to clarify, if I mention ANY deviations from the source material on your Rings of Power page they will be removed? How do you feel about this @[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]]? Should people not be allowed to mention these? [[User:English Lady|English Lady]] ([[User talk:English Lady|talk]]) 21:34, 2 July 2023 (UTC)
:::::::We are telling you: the main article is not the place to list deviations. If any, the section of "Reception" could deal with the criticism done against RoP due its bad treatment of the source material (citing appropiate references, oc). What makes people think TG is biased in favor of RoP? We deal with this authorized adaptation as with any other else. I think we have a very poor implementation of this adaptation throughout the wiki; there are a lot of things to expand. For my part I despise this show and I haven't even watched it. [[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] ([[User talk:LorenzoCB|talk]]) 22:33, 2 July 2023 (UTC)

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