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		<title>Minas Tirith</title>
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| image=[[Image:Ted Nasmith - Minas Tirith at Dawn.jpg|300px]]&lt;br /&gt;
| name=Minas Tirith&lt;br /&gt;
| othernames=[[Minas Anor]]&lt;br /&gt;
| etymology=[[S.]] &#039;&#039;[[minas]]&#039;&#039; &amp;quot;tower&amp;quot; + &#039;&#039;[[tirith]]&#039;&#039; &amp;quot;guard&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
| type=Tower/City&lt;br /&gt;
| location=East [[Gondor]]&lt;br /&gt;
| inhabitants=[[Gondorians]]&lt;br /&gt;
| realms=[[Gondor]]&lt;br /&gt;
| description=White city of seven levels&lt;br /&gt;
| events=[[Battle of the Pelennor Fields|Siege of Minas Tirith]]&lt;br /&gt;
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|}}&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Minas Tirith&#039;&#039;&#039; (&amp;quot;Tower of the Guard&amp;quot;) is the capital city of [[Gondor]].&lt;br /&gt;
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Note on pronunciation: The &#039;&#039;i&#039;&#039;&#039;s are long in all cases, thus MEE-nas TEE-reeth.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Description==&lt;br /&gt;
Minas Tirith was surrounded by the [[Rammas Echor]], a large ringwall encircling the [[Pelennor Fields]].  This wall was built by [[Ecthelion II]] but proved no match for the [[Orcs|Orc]] legions of [[Mordor]]. The city itself lies on a hill beneath Mount [[Mindolluin]]. The city is divided into seven one-hundred-foot high levels, each surrounded by white walls. The gates connecting the levels do not lay behind one another in a line, but face in different directions. A spur of rock, whose summit is level with the city&#039;s uppermost tier, juts out from the front of the city in an easterly direction, dividing all but the first level into two. Finally, within the seventh wall, is the Citadel with its White Tower, where the surviving Seeing Stones of Anor kept—three hundred feet high, so that its apex is one thousand feet above the plain gleaming when the light shone on it. Upon the saddle between the city and Mindolluin are the Houses of the Dead—tombs of the [[Kings of Gondor]] and their [[Stewards of Gondor|Stewards]].&lt;br /&gt;
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==History==&lt;br /&gt;
Originally known as &#039;&#039;&#039;Minas Anor&#039;&#039;&#039; (the &amp;quot;Tower of the Sun&amp;quot;), it was in built in [[Second Age]] 3320 by [[Anárion]], brother of [[Isildur]] and second son of [[Elendil]], [[Kings of Arnor|High King]] of [[Arnor]]. It also known as the &#039;&#039;&#039;White City&#039;&#039;&#039; and &#039;&#039;&#039;[[City of the Kings]]&#039;&#039;&#039;. [[Ostoher]] rebuilt the city in [[Third Age]] 420, and it gradually became more important than [[Osgiliath]], the original capital. King [[Tarondor]] finally moved the King&#039;s House from Osgiliath to the city in 1640. In the year 2002, [[Minas Ithil]] (the &amp;quot;Tower of the Moon&amp;quot;) was captured by the [[Ringwraiths]] and renamed [[Minas Morgul]]. Minas Anor was renamed Minas Tirith, meaning &amp;quot;Tower of the Guard&amp;quot;, to indicate that since the fall of Minas Ithil, Minas Tirith was to guard Gondor against evil from [[Mordor]]. The [[Rohirrim]] sometimes translate this into [[Rohirric|their own language]] as &#039;&#039;&#039;Mundburg&#039;&#039;&#039;.&lt;br /&gt;
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During the [[War of the Ring]] ([[Third Age 3018]] – [[Third Age 3019|3019]]), Minas Tirith was said to &amp;quot;have less than half of the population which could have dwelt at ease&amp;quot; in it.&lt;br /&gt;
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In &#039;&#039;[[The Return of the King]]&#039;&#039;, Minas Tirith is besieged by troops of Mordor, the [[Easterlings]] and the [[Haradrim]], under the Great Darkness generated by Mordor. The [[Battle of the Pelennor Fields]] takes place on March 15, 3019 in the fields surrounding the city. Despite heavy losses, the battle is finally won by Gondor.&lt;br /&gt;
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On May 1, 3019, King [[Elessar]]&#039;s coronation took place on the plain outside Minas Tirith, he then entered the city as King.&lt;br /&gt;
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Minas Tirith is known to stand firm well into the [[Fourth Age]].&lt;br /&gt;
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The eagle who brings the news of Sauron&#039;s defeat to Minas Tirith refers to the city as the Tower of Anor. Although this is nowhere described, it is possible that the city may have reverted to its original name once it no longer needed to guard against evil. An argument against this is that in the abandoned sequel &#039;&#039;[[The New Shadow]]&#039;&#039;, which takes place during the time of Elessar&#039;s son [[Eldarion]], the city was clearly named Minas Tirith.&lt;br /&gt;
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Map #40 in Barbara Strachey&#039;s &#039;&#039;[[Journeys of Frodo]]&#039;&#039; is a plan of Minas Tirith. Pages 138 &amp;amp; 139 in [[Karen Wynn Fonstad]]&#039;s revised &#039;&#039;[[The Atlas of Middle-earth]]&#039;&#039; is another plan of Minas Tirith. They are at variance with each other, as the only authoritative maps by Tolkien are just sketches.&lt;br /&gt;
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==In Adaptations==&lt;br /&gt;
In [[Peter Jackson]]&#039;s &#039;&#039;[[Peter Jackson&#039;s The Return of the King|The Return of the King]],&#039;&#039; the walls of the city are defended by a battery of 100 trebuchets. These played a significant role in the siege in the movie, as they were responsible for destroying many orcs, siege towers and catapults. Sadly, a number of them were smashed to bits by fell beasts, but all were repaired in the end.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Ryszard_Derdzinski_-_Minas_Tirith.jpg|left|thumb|250px|&#039;&#039;Minas Tirith&#039;&#039; by [[Ryszard Derdzinski]]]]&lt;br /&gt;
Tolkien&#039;s description of the physical layout of Minas Tirith is followed scrupulously in [[Peter Jackson&#039;s The Return of the King]] film, although there is no reason to suppose that the top of the rock is flattened and paved, and in the book it is not the location for the coronation of [[Aragorn II|Aragorn]] which occurs on the Pelennor Field outside Minas Tirith, he then enters the city as King.  In the film version it is within clear sight of the mountains surrounding Mordor and the fires of [[Mount Doom]], so much that in at least one night scene the light of it shines on the faces of viewers from the city walls.  However, in the books the mountains were far enough away that from the city they looked like a low dark shadow over the land far away.  As well, in the book the populace was almost entirely evacuated before the battle.  In the movie, the women and children remained, and many were slaughtered in the lower levels.&lt;br /&gt;
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== See also ==&lt;br /&gt;
* [[:Category:Images of Minas Tirith|Images of Minas Tirith]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== External Links ==&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://www.minastirith-project.com/ The Minas Tirith Project]:  A non-comercial project to make the whole city of Minas Tirith fully detailed in 3D.&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://www.minastirith.com Minas Tirith Forums]&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://missedmanners.wordpress.com/2008/01/03/battle-of-pelennor-fields/ The Battle of Pelennor Fields] - made out of candy&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://www.matchstickmarvels.com/Comingin2009.htm A model of Minas Tirith made from matchsticks]&lt;br /&gt;
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		<title>Green dragon</title>
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		<title>Prancing pony</title>
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		<title>Talan</title>
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		<title>Háma</title>
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		<updated>2008-07-16T14:47:04Z</updated>

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{{quote|The staff. . . may be more than a prop for age. . . Yet in doubt a man of worth will trust to his own wisdom|[[The King of the Golden Hall]], [[The Lord of the Rings]]}}&lt;br /&gt;
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&#039;&#039;&#039;Háma&#039;&#039;&#039; was the doorward of [[Théoden]] and captain of the King&#039;s guard of [[Rohan]].  He is shown as a loyal and devoted man, though he often anticipates his orders.&lt;br /&gt;
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He is first met in the tale of &#039;&#039;[[The Lord of the Rings]]&#039;&#039; when he, against his orders, permits [[Gandalf]] to carry his staff into [[Meduseld]].  It was at this time that he spoke the above quote.  This marked the beginning of his trust and respect for Gandalf, though he was later reprimanded by Théoden, and temporarily removed from his position as doorward, despite the service he rendered.  Then the King ordered him to bring forth [[Éomer]], who was in custody.  Háma not only released him, but armed him.&lt;br /&gt;
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Later Háma suggested that the King leave Éowyn as steward in Edoras.  Later, he encouraged soldiers who doubted Gandalf&#039;s return: &amp;quot;&#039;&#039;. . . but for myself, I will wait until I see Gandalf again&#039;&#039;&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
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He fell in the [[Battle of the Hornburg]] before the Gate during the [[War of the Ring]]. He was also given the honour of being buried in a grave of his own under the shadow of the Hornburg.  Despite his annoyance with his doorward, Théoden obviously had an affection for Háma, and grieved at his fall, so much so that that he personally cast first earth on his grave.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:John Leigh as Hama.jpg|thumb|left|250px|&#039;&#039;Háma&#039;&#039; played by [[John Leigh]] in [[Peter Jackson&#039;s The Lord of the Rings]].]]&lt;br /&gt;
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		<title>User talk:Hyarion</title>
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== Title changes, language questions ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I&#039;ve read WP&#039;s article on editing, but it says nothing on changing the title. How do you change the title? I mean, I saw [[Long Horn Cotton]], I&#039;ve checked the genealogies, and it&#039;s Long Hom. Some of the language headings are incorrect too - especially the [[:Category:Adûnaic_words|Adûnaic]] ones. And do we need a clearer entry on [[:Category:Rohirric_words|Rohirric]], because this is Old English and Rohirian (the word Tolkien used for it) mixed together... [[User:Ederchil|Ederchil]] 07:13, 13 January 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Hello there Ederchil, first I wanted to thank you for your recent edits, it is always nice to have a new face around and you&#039;ve been doing a great job. There should be a move button next to History and you can move the article to the correct title, I&#039;ve gone ahead and fixed the Long Hom Cotton article. We usually try and bring up the move on the talk page before moving, but for obvious spelling mistakes such as that one it is okay to just move it without asking. &lt;br /&gt;
:One thing I always forget as well, when we want to link to Categories we have to add a colon in front, like &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;[[:Category:Rohirric words|Rohirric]]&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt;, otherwise it doesn&#039;t display the text and just adds the article to said category. &lt;br /&gt;
:I agree with both of your statements on Adûnaic and Rohirric words, if you can try to cite your sources that would be great and we can eliminate any errors. Thanks for your input and let me know if I can help with anything at all. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 14:18, 13 January 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Ugluk fanfiction ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Hyar: i&#039;m sorry to accuse you like this but a friend of mine noticed what appears to be some extreme extrepolation in the [[Ugluk]] article. I had a check through the history and noticed that it all changed to that status with your rewrite. Now i know i dont know everything about the texts but what are your sources for Ugluk&#039;s company meeting Gollum, along with a preliminary meeting with grishnakh and specific information on how Ugluk&#039;s company came about? It&#039;s certainly not anywhere in the actual book Lord of the Rings. [[User:Dr Death|Dr Death]] 13:48, 17 January 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Don&#039;t be sorry! The sooner we cite everything in the articles the better. At the bottom I listed the other reference (aside from &#039;&#039;[[The Two Towers]]&#039;&#039;) as &amp;quot;[[The Lord of the Rings: A Reader&#039;s Companion]], &amp;quot;The Departure of Boromir,&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;The Uruk-hai&amp;quot;, this is indeed where the content you brought up came from. I&#039;d definitely recommend this book if you don&#039;t have it already. It looks like [[Wayne G. Hammond|Hammond]] and [[Christina Scull|Scull]] found this information in a &amp;quot;Scheme&amp;quot; manuscript which is an unpublished timeline of events. I know little of this manuscript so I&#039;ll do some research on it, however I have the utmost respect for Hammond and Scull. I&#039;ve been holding off on citations since hopefully by the end of the month, next month at the latest, we should be running on an upgraded version of MediaWiki which will allow us to install the same citation extension which Wikipedia uses. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 14:05, 17 January 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:: Fair enoughski, however the question does arise: &#039;is it canon?&#039; I think given the confusion that has arisen, it might be worth including a sort of &#039;other versions of the legendarium&#039; or &#039;greater works&#039; section in which that information is included and independently assessed since i dont think a footnote will suffice for what the casual reader (and even the dedicated reader: i really was miffed by it) might at first think to be a factual error. [[User:Dr Death|Dr Death]] 04:17, 18 January 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Questions on proper form (besides proper comma usage) ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Articles before proper names of Ages;  should it be &amp;quot;in Second Age Numenor was really neat,&amp;quot; or more like &amp;quot;in the Third Age the Hobbits were smoking?&amp;quot; It&#039;s given that particular dates within any certain age do not need a definite article (in F.A. 42 the elves all sailed the ocean blue) but I&#039;m not sure which way I should format the other.  Also, is there any way to flag articles that are in the process of major rewrites so that we are not doubling efforts?  Lastly, if I just happened to be a great gift giver, would you and eight of your friends each want to recieve a nice piece of jewelry?  [[User:Singe|Singe]] 00:38, 28 January 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:&amp;quot;the Third Age&amp;quot; is the correct usage vs. simply &amp;quot;Third Age&amp;quot; and yes, you don&#039;t need to use &amp;quot;the&amp;quot; if you are stating a specific year of the age. Hm, flagging articles that are in the process of being rewritten is a good idea, until we create a template for such a notice, feel free to just mention so on the article&#039;s talk page. I think I would have to double check the possession of the jewelry didn&#039;t cause me to turn into a wraith and become controlled by a dark lord before accepting such a thing (sounds an awful lot like an engagement ring...) --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 00:58, 28 January 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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==A picture my-bad==&lt;br /&gt;
Could you delete this: Image:20070902204908!Arda.gif? I re-uploaded it with a better name. -- [[User:Ederchil|Ederchil]] 15:24, 8 February 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:No worries, fixed :) --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 16:10, 8 February 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Picture ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Thank you for the thumbnail! I couldn&#039;t figure that out! -Ingwe&lt;br /&gt;
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:No problem, wiki-code takes some getting used to, but once you get the hang of it , it all makes sense :) --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 01:18, 9 February 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Two Trees  ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Please add recent Two Trees of Valinor image to Roger Garland&#039;s image page. -Ingwe&lt;br /&gt;
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:It looks like Ederchil beat me to it. If you ever want to add images to a category just add something like this to the bottom of the page: &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;[[Category:Images by Artist name]]&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt; --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 17:46, 9 February 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Yeah, I figured that out right after I asked you. I have just finished categorizing my recent uploads and linking their summaries with related articles. -Ingwe&lt;br /&gt;
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Isn&#039;t it time for a new featured article? Or a new quote? These are on forever. Because of the new Hobbit movie, maybe [[Bilbo Baggins]]?  -- [[User:Ederchil|Ederchil]] 09:32, 11 February 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Definitely, one option is to have the article/quote be random from a pre-chosen list of options, and the other is to vote on a new article/quote every week or month. The difficult part with voting is we need to have at least a fair amount of people voting, we might have almost enough editors for that at the moment so maybe we should start working on the process, I&#039;ll see if we can launch something with the new skin. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 18:13, 13 February 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Actually, when I read the article after I posted, I noticed &amp;quot;stay tuned for April 17th&amp;quot;. How outdated. -- [[User:Ederchil|Ederchil]] 09:19, 14 February 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Pics on TolkienGateway==&lt;br /&gt;
Hello Hyarion, we from Ardapedia are wondering what type of license you use for pictures in TolkienGateway, do you ask for permission from each drawer him/herself? Do you use the common GNU-License like in Wikipedia? We would really like to get and add some new pictures on Ardapedia, but we strictly use licenses (like GNU, PD, and in some cases &amp;quot;copyrighted pics with the permission of the author&amp;quot;), thanks for your answer, --[[User:Sinthoras|Sinthoras]] 11:05, 13 February 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Hey there Sinthoras. One thing we definitely need to work on adding is licenses to all the images, as the licenses vary. We try to contact all of the artists for permission before uploading any of their work and so far I think everyone has stated as long as we aren&#039;t for-profit, credit them, and link back to their website, etc. then it&#039;s fine, we&#039;ve yet to have someone not allow the images to be displayed. When we don&#039;t hear back or are unable to contact/find an artist we upload the images as &amp;quot;Fair use&amp;quot;. I would recommend contacting the artists and asking for permission if you can as they tend to want to know who is using their images and I don&#039;t know of any that are available under the GNU FDL. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 18:21, 13 February 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Epessi and Epithets==&lt;br /&gt;
Is there any policy on including these in the article&#039;s title? It&#039;s obviously the case when dealing with disambigs, like [[Beren Erchamion]], [[Túrin Turambar]] or [[Dior Eluchil]]. However, it&#039;s unclear in the case of the kings of Rohan: compare [[Brytta Léofa]] and [[Fréaláf Hildeson]] with [[Théoden]] (not &amp;quot;Théoden Ednew&amp;quot;), and [[Éomer]] (not &amp;quot;Éomer Éadig&amp;quot;). Nor is it the case with [[Borondir]] (&amp;quot;Borondir Udalraph&amp;quot;). IMO it would look more &amp;quot;professional&amp;quot; if we would include such epithets and epessi in the title. -- [[User:Ederchil|Ederchil]] 13:07, 18 February 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Good question. I don&#039;t have a problem with adding them, as obviously we would include redirects from the common name. Up until this point we have tried to just use whatever name was mentioned the most in Tolkien&#039;s text as this is what the most people would be familiar with. My only concern would be it would turn a large percentage of links to Théoden, Éomer, etc. into links to redirects, and we probably don&#039;t want to bother with typing &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;[[Théoden Ednew|Théoden]]&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt;. It also might add, if only minimally, some confusion for those who aren&#039;t familiar with &amp;quot;Théoden Ednew&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;Éomer Éadig&amp;quot;. However these aren&#039;t huge negatives and if everyone else thinks it would be a good idea then I&#039;m all for it. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 16:46, 18 February 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Translations==&lt;br /&gt;
I was disussing this with someone: there&#039;s apparently no good place where the names of all the characters and places are in translations of the book. I only found [http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lijst_van_vertalingen_van_Engelse_namen_in_Arda this] on Dutch Wikipedia (presumably, other language wiki&#039;s have lists too). We already have such a list at Frodo, should we include such lists at other characters as well? &amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Also, did you know [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Potter_and_Leopard-Walk-Up-to-Dragon#Inspirations this]? Definately worth some research. -- [[User:Ederchil|Ederchil]] 04:46, 26 February 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I think it would be worth noting the translations of the character&#039;s name in the article, and I definitely think an article which lists all of the translations would be a great idea. What should we call the article, &amp;quot;Translations&amp;quot;? The Harry Potter book is hilarious and I hadn&#039;t realized it was a rip off of The Hobbit until now, while probably not worth its own article, we should probably find some place to put that information. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 18:16, 28 February 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::What we could also do is make separate pages for all the translations (with a cat:Translations), including information on publishing date, company, translator, and characters. -- [[User:Ederchil|Ederchil]] 10:04, 29 February 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::I guess it just depends on how much of a conflict there is between different translations of the same name by different translators into the same language. My idea would be to have a universal article such as &#039;&#039;Translations&#039;&#039; that has a table with them all. One thing we definitely need is, not necessarily an article for every foreign edition, but at least one article for every language for now, so something like &#039;&#039;Chinese editions of The Lord of the Rings&#039;&#039; seems logical. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 18:42, 3 March 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Referencing==&lt;br /&gt;
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I would appreciate much if you could turn on the &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt; tag. It would be nice to add where the details were found when writing/rewriting an article. &lt;br /&gt;
-- nikolet 00:42, 27 February 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Just me bursting in Hyar&#039;s talk: I usually ref with &amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;[[#References|1]]&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt;. It&#039;s a lot of typing, but gets more or less the required result. We should really get a standard referencing, btw. I think [[Denethor II#References|this]] ([[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil]]&#039;s, I believe) should be standard. -- [[User:Ederchil|Ederchil]] 04:34, 27 February 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Well, we may as well discuss the templates for referencing then. I prefer to make citations up to the footnote # or para #, when I [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F%C3%ABanorian_lamp edit]. How about we have a discussion on the said topic on the irc server, this Saturday? We may as well discuss the finer points of templates such as [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:ME-date this] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:ME-ref this] -- nikolet 20:37, 27 February 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::I can&#039;t seem to find where we had the earlier discussion on this but for now we should follow Narfil&#039;s lead and just use the reference system as used in [[Denethor II]], but as soon as we upgrade the MediaWiki engine (during my Spring break is the goal) we&#039;ll be using the same ref system that Wikipedia uses. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 18:46, 3 March 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::I&#039;ve made an doc of what I think is a good way to reference (which was what I originally meant), which should bring some uniformity in [[Tolkien_Gateway:Standards#References|referencing]]. The current system is vague, and looking at some entries ([[Constellations]], for one) not very well followed. I can mail it to you if you&#039;re interested, or post it on my own namespace ( [[User:Ederchil/Referencing]] or something). -- [[User:Ederchil|Ederchil]] 05:47, 6 March 2008 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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==Polystone statues==&lt;br /&gt;
Is there really any reason for so many pages to exist solely for the advertisment of statues from the Peter Jackson films? It seems, well...stupid. However, I didn&#039;t feel it would be prudent to just delete them without asking. [[User:CharlesMartel|CharlesMartel]] 21:59, 21 March 2008 (EDT)CharlesMartel&lt;br /&gt;
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:Hey there Charles. There really isn&#039;t any site that includes details of the vast number of collectibles relating to [[J.R.R. Tolkien]]&#039;s works, and we wanted some place where a fan could go to find all the information in one place. The statues category has a long way to go and eventually along with our [[:Category:Calendars|calendars]] and [[:Category:Books|books]] categories we hope to list every collectible that has been produced. We also plan on having an article for all of the games that have been created which relate to Tolkien as well. If in the future the community feels the presence of the collectibles/games/etc hurt the lore articles then it is possible we could separate them more and move the articles to a different namespace or sub-wiki. Right now they are definitely a lower priority but as many fans have shown an interest in collecting we wanted to make sure the information was available. Thanks for your input! --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 22:08, 21 March 2008 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Screenplays ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I was astounded to see that you have articles for the screenplays of Peter Jackson&#039;s LOTR and was wondering how you procured them. [[User:Seagrave|Seagrave]] 07:10, 23 March 2008 (EDT)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Seagrave</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Minas_Tirith&amp;diff=58410</id>
		<title>Minas Tirith</title>
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		<updated>2008-03-18T20:24:14Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Seagrave: undid dwarf&amp;#039;s edit&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;&#039;&#039;(See also [[Minas Tirith in Beleriand]])&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Ted_Nasmith_-_In_Haste_to_the_White_City.jpg|thumb|300px|&#039;&#039;In Haste to the White City&#039;&#039; by [[Ted Nasmith]]]]&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Minas Tirith&#039;&#039;&#039; (&amp;quot;Tower of the Guard&amp;quot;) is the capital city of [[Gondor]]. Originally known as &#039;&#039;&#039;Minas Anor&#039;&#039;&#039; (the &amp;quot;Tower of the Sun&amp;quot;), it was in built in [[Second Age]] 3320 by [[Anárion]], brother of [[Isildur]] and second son of [[Elendil]], [[Kings of Arnor|High King]] of [[Arnor]]. It also known as the &#039;&#039;&#039;White City&#039;&#039;&#039; and &#039;&#039;&#039;[[City of the Kings]]&#039;&#039;&#039;. [[Ostoher]] rebuilt the city in [[Third Age]] 420, and it gradually became more important than [[Osgiliath]], the original capital. King [[Tarondor]] finally moved the King&#039;s House from Osgiliath to the city in 1640. In the year 2002, [[Minas Ithil]] (the &amp;quot;Tower of the Moon&amp;quot;) was captured by the [[Ringwraiths]] and renamed [[Minas Morgul]]. Minas Anor was renamed Minas Tirith, meaning &amp;quot;Tower of the Guard&amp;quot;, to indicate that since the fall of Minas Ithil, Minas Tirith was to guard Gondor against evil from [[Mordor]]. The [[Rohirrim]] sometimes translate this into [[Rohirric|their own language]] as &#039;&#039;&#039;Mundburg&#039;&#039;&#039;.&lt;br /&gt;
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Minas Tirith is surrounded by the [[Rammas Echor]], a large ringwall encircling the [[Pelennor Fields]]. This wall was built by [[Ecthelion II]] but proved no match for the [[Orcs|Orc]] legions of [[Mordor]]. The city itself lies on a hill beneath Mount [[Mindolluin]]. The city is divided into seven one-hundred-foot high levels, each surrounded by white walls. The gates connecting the levels do not lay behind one another in a line, but face in different directions. A spur of rock, whose summit is level with the city&#039;s uppermost tier, juts out from the front of the city in an easterly direction, dividing all but the first level into two. Finally, within the seventh wall, is the Citadel with its White Tower, where the surviving Seeing Stones of Anor kept—three hundred feet high, so that its apex is one thousand feet above the plain gleaming when the light shone on it. Upon the saddle between the city and Mindolluin are the Houses of the Dead—tombs of the [[Kings of Gondor]] and their [[Stewards of Gondor|Stewards]].&lt;br /&gt;
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The walls of the city are defended by a battery of 100 trebuchets. These played a significant role in the siege shown in the movie, as they were responsible for destroying many orcs, siege towers and catapults. Sadly, a number of them were smashed to bits by fell beasts, but all were repaired in the end.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Ryszard_Derdzinski_-_Minas_Tirith.jpg|left|thumb|250px|&#039;&#039;Minas Tirith&#039;&#039; by [[Ryszard Derdzinski]]]]&lt;br /&gt;
Tolkien&#039;s description of the physical layout of Minas Tirith is followed scrupulously in [[Peter Jackson&#039;s The Return of the King]] film, although there is no reason to suppose that the top of the rock is flattened and paved, and in the book it is not the location for the coronation of [[Aragorn II|Aragorn]] which occurs on the Pelennor Field outside Minas Tirith, he then enters the city as King.  In the film version it is within clear sight of the mountains surrounding Mordor and the fires of [[Mount Doom]], so much that in at least one night scene the light of it shines on the faces of viewers from the city walls.  However, in the books the mountains were far enough away that from the city they looked like a low dark shadow over the land far away.  As well, in the book the populace was almost entirely evacuated before the battle.  In the movie, the women and children remained, and many were slaughtered in the lower levels.&lt;br /&gt;
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During the [[War of the Ring]] (Third Age 3018 – 3019), Minas Tirith is said to &amp;quot;have less than half of the population which could have dwelt at ease&amp;quot; in it.&lt;br /&gt;
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In &#039;&#039;[[The Return of the King]]&#039;&#039;, Minas Tirith is besieged by troops of Mordor, the [[Easterlings]] and the [[Haradrim]], under the Great Darkness generated by Mordor. The [[Battle of the Pelennor Fields]] takes place on March 15, 3019 in the fields surrounding the city. Despite heavy losses, the battle is finally won by Gondor.&lt;br /&gt;
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On May 1, 3019, King [[Elessar]]&#039;s coronation took place on the plain outside Minas Tirith, he then entered the city as King.&lt;br /&gt;
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Minas Tirith is known to stand firm well into the [[Fourth Age]].&lt;br /&gt;
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The eagle who brings the news of Sauron&#039;s defeat to Minas Tirith refers to the city as the Tower of Anor. Although this is nowhere described, it is possible that the city may have reverted to its original name once it no longer needed to guard against evil. An argument against this is that in the abandoned sequel &#039;&#039;[[The New Shadow]]&#039;&#039;, which takes place during the time of Elessar&#039;s son [[Eldarion]], the city was clearly named Minas Tirith.&lt;br /&gt;
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Map #40 in Barbara Strachey&#039;s &#039;&#039;[[Journeys of Frodo]]&#039;&#039; is a plan of Minas Tirith. Pages 138 &amp;amp; 139 in [[Karen Wynn Fonstad]]&#039;s revised &#039;&#039;[[The Atlas of Middle-earth]]&#039;&#039; is another plan of Minas Tirith. They are at variance with each other, as the only authoritative maps by Tolkien are just sketches.&lt;br /&gt;
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Note on pronunciation: The &#039;&#039;i&#039;&#039;&#039;s are long in all cases, thus MEE-nas TEE-reeth.&lt;br /&gt;
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== External Links ==&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://www.minastirith-project.com/ The Minas Tirith Project]:  A non-comercial project to make the whole city of Minas Tirith  fully detailed in 3D.&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://www.minastirith.com Minas Tirith Forums]&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://missedmanners.wordpress.com/2008/01/03/battle-of-pelennor-fields/ The Battle of Pelennor Fields] - made out of candy&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:Cities]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Gondor]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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	<entry>
		<id>https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Minas_Tirith&amp;diff=58409</id>
		<title>Minas Tirith</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Seagrave: /* External Links */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;&#039;&#039;(See also [[Minas Tirith in Beleriand]])&#039;&#039;&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Ted_Nasmith_-_In_Haste_to_the_White_City.jpg|thumb|300px|&#039;&#039;In Haste to the White City&#039;&#039; by [[Ted Nasmith]]]]&lt;br /&gt;
&#039;&#039;&#039;Minas Tirith&#039;&#039;&#039; (&amp;quot;Tower of the Guard&amp;quot;) is the capital city of [[Gondor]]. Originally known as &#039;&#039;&#039;Minas Anor&#039;&#039;&#039; (the &amp;quot;Tower of the Sun&amp;quot;), it was in built in [[Second Age]] 3320 by [[Anárion]], brother of [[Isildur]] and second son of [[Elendil]], [[Kings of Arnor|High King]] of [[Arnor]]. It also known as the &#039;&#039;&#039;White City&#039;&#039;&#039; and &#039;&#039;&#039;[[City of the Kings]]&#039;&#039;&#039;. [[Ostoher]] rebuilt the city in [[Third Age]] 420, and it gradually became more important than [[Osgiliath]], the original capital. King [[Tarondor]] finally moved the King&#039;s House from Osgiliath to the city in 1640. In the year 2002, [[Minas Ithil]] (the &amp;quot;Tower of the Moon&amp;quot;) was captured by the [[Ringwraiths]] and renamed [[Minas Morgul]]. Minas Anor was renamed Minas Tirith, meaning &amp;quot;Tower of the Guard&amp;quot;, to indicate that since the fall of Minas Ithil, Minas Tirith was to guard Gondor against evil from [[Mordor]]. The [[Rohirrim]] sometimes translate this into [[Rohirric|their own language]] as &#039;&#039;&#039;Mundburg&#039;&#039;&#039;.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Minas Tirith is surrounded by the [[Rammas Echor]], a large ringwall encircling the [[Pelennor Fields]]. This wall was built by [[Ecthelion II]] but proved no match for the [[Orcs|Orc]] legions of [[Mordor]]. The city itself lies on a hill beneath Mount [[Mindolluin]]. The city is divided into seven one-hundred-foot high levels, each surrounded by white walls. The gates connecting the levels do not lay behind one another in a line, but face in different directions. A spur of rock, whose summit is level with the city&#039;s uppermost tier, juts out from the front of the city in an easterly direction, dividing all but the first level into two. Finally, within the seventh wall, is the Citadel with its White Tower, where the surviving Seeing Stones of Anor kept—three hundred feet[[Category&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Ryszard_Derdzinski_-_Minas_Tirith.jpg|left|thumb|250px|&#039;&#039;Minas Tirith&#039;&#039; by [[Ryszard Derdzinski]]]]&lt;br /&gt;
Tolkien&#039;s description of the physical layout of Minas Tirith is followed scrupulously in [[Peter Jackson&#039;s The Return of the King]] film, although there is no reason to suppose that the top of the rock is flattened and paved, and in the book it is not the location for the coronation of [[Aragorn II|Aragorn]] which occurs on the Pelennor Field outside Minas Tirith, he then enters the city as King.  In the film version it is within clear sight of the mountains surrounding Mordor and the fires of [[Mount Doom]], so much that in at least one night scene the light of it shines on the faces of viewers from the city walls.  However, in the books the mountains were far enough away that from the city they looked like a low dark shadow over the land far away.  As well, in the book the populace was almost entirely evacuated before the battle.  In the movie, the women and children remained, and many were slaughtered in the lower levels.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
During the [[War of the Ring]] (Third Age 3018 – 3019), Minas Tirith is said to &amp;quot;have less than half of the population which could have dwelt at ease&amp;quot; in it.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
In &#039;&#039;[[The Return of the King]]&#039;&#039;, Minas Tirith is besieged by troops of Mordor, the [[Easterlings]] and the [[Haradrim]], under the Great Darkness generated by Mordor. The [[Battle of the Pelennor Fields]] takes place on March 15, 3019 in the fields surrounding the city. Despite heavy losses, the battle is finally won by Gondor.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
On May 1, 3019, King [[Elessar]]&#039;s coronation took place on the plain outside Minas Tirith, he then entered the city as King.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Minas Tirith is known to stand firm well into the [[Fourth Age]].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The eagle who brings the news of Sauron&#039;s defeat to Minas Tirith refers to the city as the Tower of Anor. Although this is nowhere described, it is possible that the city may have reverted to its original name once it no longer needed to guard against evil. An argument against this is that in the abandoned sequel &#039;&#039;[[The New Shadow]]&#039;&#039;, which takes place during the time of Elessar&#039;s son [[Eldarion]], the city was clearly named Minas Tirith.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Map #40 in Barbara Strachey&#039;s &#039;&#039;[[Journeys of Frodo]]&#039;&#039; is a plan of Minas Tirith. Pages 138 &amp;amp; 139 in [[Karen Wynn Fonstad]]&#039;s revised &#039;&#039;[[The Atlas of Middle-earth]]&#039;&#039; is another plan of Minas Tirith. They are at variance with each other, as the only authoritative maps by Tolkien are just sketches.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Note on pronunciation: The &#039;&#039;i&#039;&#039;&#039;s are long in all cases, thus MEE-nas TEE-reeth.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== External Links ==&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://www.minastirith-project.com/ The Minas Tirith Project]:  A non-comercial project to make the whole city of Minas Tirith  fully detailed in 3D.&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://www.minastirith.com Minas Tirith Forums]&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://missedmanners.wordpress.com/2008/01/03/battle-of-pelennor-fields/ The Battle of Pelennor Fields] - made out of candy&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:Cities]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Gondor]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Seagrave</name></author>
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	<entry>
		<id>https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ardamir&amp;diff=58407</id>
		<title>User talk:Ardamir</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Ardamir&amp;diff=58407"/>
		<updated>2008-03-18T18:02:41Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Seagrave: Pronounced article nominations&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;== Welcome to Tolkien Gateway! ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Hello [[User:Ardamir|Ardamir]],&lt;br /&gt;
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Just wanted to welcome you to [http://tolkiengateway.net Tolkien Gateway] and thank you for your editing of the [[Hobbits]] article. It&#039;s great to have someone aboard with your knowledge of the legendarium. Keep up the great work on your website and feel free to add a link to it on the [[Links]] page or on any other relevant articles. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 20:30, 9 December 2005 (EST)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Pronounce-MP3s ==&lt;br /&gt;
Hello!&lt;br /&gt;
I just heard the mp3 on the article [[Haleth]] and wondered if you allow me to use it in the german version of Tolkien-Wiki called &amp;quot;Ardapedia&amp;quot; [[http://ardapedia.herr-der-ringe-film.de/index.php/Hauptseite]].&lt;br /&gt;
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It would be great if you would leave me a comment right there: [http://ardapedia.herr-der-ringe-film.de/index.php/Benutzer_Diskussion:Sinthoras]&lt;br /&gt;
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:Thx a lot! --[[User:Sinthoras|Sinthoras]] 13:07, 30 September 2007 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Pronounced article nominations ==&lt;br /&gt;
I find the sound files that describe how to pronounce the titles extremely useful and thought it would be nice if there was a page people could edit and add in a word they aren&#039;t sure of how to pronounce. I&#039;d start with Ungoliant. -- [[User:Seagrave|Seagrave]] 14:02, 18 March 2008 (EDT)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Seagrave</name></author>
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