Talk:Three Rings

2017-08-04T03:05:44Z

Shimel: Sauron and the Three

Sauron did not assist to their making nor ever did he touch them and his taint was not direct on them.[3]
It says this is in Letter 131, but the only thing I see concerning this is: 'The Elves of Eregion made Three supremely beautiful and powerful rings, almost solely of their own imagination, and directed to the preservation of beauty: they did not confer invisibility.' It does state they were unsullied, and the Sil states he never touched them, but where is it said that he didn't assist with their making? Thanks. --[[User:Shimel|Shimel]] 03:05, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

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2016-02-06T12:38:36Z

Shimel: added Sauron and Gandalf (end of main section) and references

{{quote|Lost and forgotten be, darker than the darkness, <br>Where gates stand forever shut, till [[Arda Unmarred|the World is mended]]|[[Tom Bombadil]], ''[[Fog on the Barrow-downs]]''}}

'''The Outer Void''', or the '''Timeless Void''', was a term used in various ways.

Cosmologically, it describes the uninhabited regions of (non)existence outside [[Time]] and [[Eä|Creation]], the absence of the [[Flame Imperishable]].

[[Morgoth|Melkor]] used to wander in the Void to look in vain for the Flame Imperishable.

The [[Timeless Halls]] of [[Ilúvatar]] seem to be apart from the Void; [[Eä]] is created amidst the Void but is not a part of it.

After his defeat in the [[War of Wrath]], [[Morgoth|Melkor]] was cast out into the Timeless Void "through the [[Door of Night]] beyond the [[Walls of the World]]", but legends predict that he will return to the World before its end. The Void thus in that context refers to the vast distant empty spaces of [[Eä]]. This was often confused by [[Elves]] and [[Men]] with the Void that existed before the creation of [[Eä]].<ref>{{MR|P5VII}}</ref>

[[Sauron]]'s spirit also entered the Void after [[The One Ring]] was destroyed.<ref>{{S|IId}}</ref>

It is also possible [[Gandalf]]'s spirit entered the Void after his battle with the Balrog in Moria, as he "passed out of thought and time." <ref>{{TT|III5}}</ref>

==Names==
The Void was also known as the '''Outer Dark''' (or the Outer Darkness), the '''Everlasting Dark''', the '''Ancient Darkness'''. [[Qenya]] names were ''Avakúma'', ''Oiakúma''<ref>{{VT|46a}}, p. 8</ref>, and ''[[Kúma]]''.<ref>{{HM|IX}}, p. 31</ref><ref>{{LR|Etymologies}}, p. 379</ref>

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