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User:Smeagol

2026-05-26T12:51:50Z

Smeagol: /* My own maps */

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[[File:Tim Kirk - Riddle Game (cropped).jpg|thumb|right|x105px]]
=== Sméagol ===
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Tolkienion sindarin.gif|right]]
Sméagol is a fan of [[J.R.R. Tolkien|Tolkien]]'s books who lost some his enthusiasm after conflicting with the Tolkien Estate over maps on the web, but has recently returned to make new maps.
He is using the pseudonym "Steven White jr" on the internet and for publications, after his father.

== Maps ==

'''https://map.tolkienion.com/ - navigable map''' 

===My own maps===
<gallery heights="95px">
Steven White Jr. - Early Arda.jpg
Steven White Jr. - A vector map of Middle-earth 2.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Gondor TA1050.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Gondor TA3019.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Middle-earth map.gif
Steven White Jr. - Frodo's Journey.gif
Steven White Jr. - Fangorn Forest.gif
Steven White Jr. - Shire Perimeter.png
Steven White Jr - Shire Info.gif
Steven White Jr. - Icebay of Forochel.png
Steven White Jr. - Belfalas.png
Steven White Jr. - Swj vector map 001.png
Steven White Jr. - Valinor.gif
Steven White Jr. - First and Third.png
Steven White Jr. - Location of Numenor.png
</gallery>

===Contributions, Colorizations for other artists' maps===
<gallery heights="100px">
J.R.R. Tolkien - Ambarkanta Map (colorized).gif
Steven White Jr. - North-west of Middle-earth (First Age).png
Steven_White_Jr._-_Middle-earth_&_Numenor.jpg
Steven White Jr. - A Map of Beleriand (re-edited).jpg
Steven White Jr. - A Map of Beleriand.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Numenor re-edited.jpg
Ambarkanta Map V upscale.png
JRRTolkien Silmarillion cleanup.png
J.R.R. Tolkien - Thror's map.jpg
</gallery>

== Other Images ==
===Models===
<gallery widths="150px" heights="100px">
Steven White Jr. - Bagend 15.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Bagend view 115.jpg

Steven White Jr. - Ann17.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Ann18.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Ann19.jpg
Steven White Jr. - A2011-0009.jpg
Steven White Jr. - A2011-0017.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Ann hall 89.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Ann hall 77c.jpg|160px]]
Steven White Jr. - Ann hall 04c2.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Ann hall 04c2b.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Tu002.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Annuminas0005b.jpg

Steven White Jr. - Annu old 01.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Annu old 02.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Annu old 03.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Annu old 04.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Annu old 05.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Annu old 06.jpg
</gallery>

===AI===
<gallery widths="150px" heights="100px">
Steven White Jr - Tavrobel AI.png
Steven White Jr - Kortirion AI.png
Steven White Jr. - Smaug1a AI.png
Steven White Jr. - The Little House of Lost Play.png
</gallery>

===Drawings===
<gallery widths="150px" heights="100px">
Steven White Jr. - Smaug1a.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Guard at Barad-dur.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Gollum0003.jpg
</gallery>

===Colorization===
<gallery widths="150px" heights="100px">
David Wyatt and Steven White Jr. - Bag end color2.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Bagend.jpg
</gallery>

===Logos===
<gallery widths="150px" heights="100px">
Star of Earendil (vectorized).png
UserSemagol Windrose.png
</gallery>

== External Links ==
https://www.tolkienion.com/ 
https://legacy.tolkienion.com/ - maps collection 
https://map.tolkienion.com/ - navigable map 
 
https://www.ancientlocations.net/

[[User:Smeagol|Smeagol]]
18:47, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Methedras

2026-04-24T15:45:32Z

Smeagol: /* Location? */ Questions

==Location?==
How is it the southernmost peak of the Misty Mountains, where the Entwash originates? The Entwash originates near the Wellinghall, does it not? The Misty Mountains extend further south than this. [[User:Smeagol|Smeagol]] ([[User talk:Smeagol|talk]]) 13:03, 17 April 2026 (UTC)
:Because J.R.R. Tolkien heavily implied that it is with the word "last" in the context of the paragraph, with his translation of the Sindarin name Methedras and with the map. In edition he wrote "Methedras, the last peak of the Misty Mountains" in the narrative of LOTR. J.R.R. Tolkien did not write that the spring of the Entwash was at Wellinghall. He wrote in his entry for Methedras in his Unfinished Index for LOTR "the southernmost of the last major peaks of the Misty Mountains" and in his entry for the Misty Mountains in this Unfinished Index "the great range (called in E[lvish] Hithaeglir "line of misty peaks"), running more or less from N[orth] to S[outh] from Mt. Gundabad about 200 miles n[orth] of Rivendell, to Methedras about 400 miles s[outh] of Rivendell".
:Did you read the sources that are indicated in the references on the Methedras page?
:Did you consider that there is a difference between the peak of a mountain and the mountain itself and between a mountain and hills, especially foothills of mountains? A mountain can extend further south than its peak and foothills of a mountain or a mountain chain can extend further south than the mountain or mountains themselves.
:J.R.R. Tolkien explicitly stated in the chapter The Riders of Rohan: "North-westward stalked the dark forest of Fangorn; still ten leagues away stood its shadowy eaves, and its further slopes faded into the distant blue. Beyond there glimmered far away, as if floating on a grey cloud, the white head of tall Methedras, the last peak of the Misty Mountains." In the context of the General Map of Middle-earth with pictorals for mountains and hills that was drawn by Christopher Tollien based on The Third Map of The Lord of the Rings with contour lines for elevations that was drawn by J.R.R. Tolkien "last peak of the Misty Mountains" means southermost peak of the Misty Mountains.
:J.R.R. Tolkien wrote in the chapter Treebeard: "At last the hobbits saw, rising dimly before them, a steep dark land: they had come to the feet of the mountains, and to the green roots of tall Methedras. Down the hillside the young Entwash, leaping from its springs high above, ran noisily from step to step to meet them.", "A little stream escaped from the springs above, and leaving the main water, fell tinkling down the sheer face of the wall, pouring in silver drops, like a fine curtain in front of the arched bay. The water was gathered again into a stone basin in the floor between the trees, and thence it spilled and flowed away beside the open path, out torejoin the Entwash in its journey through the forest. and ". ‘I wonder where Isengard is?’ said Pippin.‘I don’t know quite where we are,’ said Merry; ‘but that peak is probably Methedras, and as far as I can remember the ring of Isengard lies in a fork or deep cleft at the end of the mountains." --[[User:Akhorahil|Akhôrahil]] ([[User talk:Akhorahil|talk]]) 13:00, 19 April 2026 (UTC)
::[[File:Fangorn Extent.png|thumb|160px|right]]Hi. So, am I to understand that the published CT map is inaccurate? What is the course of the Onodló through Frangorn forest? What does "the southernmost of the last '''major''' peaks of the Misty Mountains" mean? Are those peaks that are further south (and even West of the Angren) not considered major? [[User:Smeagol|Smeagol]] ([[User talk:Smeagol|talk]]) 15:45, 24 April 2026 (UTC)

File:Fangorn Extent.png

2026-04-24T15:37:30Z

Smeagol: Licensing

== Summary ==
Sample to illustrate the extent of Fangorn forest
== Licensing ==
{{Copyright-fairuse|[http://www.tolkienestate.com/ The Tolkien Estate]}}
{{map}}
[[Category:Images by Christopher Tolkien]]

File:Fangorn Extent.png

2026-04-24T15:37:02Z

Smeagol: sample to illustrate the extent of Fangorn forest

== Summary ==
sample to illustrate the extent of Fangorn forest
== Licensing ==
{{GFDL}}

User talk:Hyarion

2026-04-23T21:39:25Z

Smeagol: /* Usage of maps/images outside TolkienGateway */ new section

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==Rewriting pages==

Hey, I noticed there are headings above some articles saying that the page needs to be rewritten. I’d love to try and help, but I’m not really sure what that means. Is it just fixing grammatical errors and helping the overall clarity and cohesion, or does that tag also mean that there are incorrect facts in the page or something like that? I rewrote the [[Bilbo's Farewell Party|page about Bilbo’s party]] and removed the rewrite tag, but then I realized that, since I haven’t done this before, I might have done something wrong. I’d appreciate it if you could take a look at my edit and let me know if that was what was needed! It would be great :) [[User:Thingol|Thingol]] ([[User talk:Thingol|talk]]) 21:39, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

==Talk:Fraud of the Rings==

Pls see a comment I left [[Talk:Fraud of the Rings|here]] for you. Reply function wasn't working. BTW, thanks for your thanks the other day, re [[Morgai]]). [[User:Bunt|Bunt]] ([[User talk:Bunt|talk]]) 08:43, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

==Spotify Plugin Appearance==

Hello sir! Is there anything we can do about the Spotify plugin's appearance? It's an awesome feature, but the white parts appearing against the regular background stick out like a sore thumb. See [[User:Theolaa/sandbox|my sandbox]] for some visual references. [[User:Theolaa|Theolaa]] ([[User talk:Theolaa|talk]]) 07:15, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

==Deletion notice==
I was hoping that you could delete the [[Hunter and Rider]] page so that I can move [[The Hunter (creature)]] page to [[Hunter and Rider]] so as to preserve the lengthy edit history of that page?[[User:Dour1234|Dour1234]] ([[User talk:Dour1234|talk]]) 19:26, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

:No problem! The article has been deleted. [[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] ([[User talk:Hyarion|talk]]) 00:08, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
::Thank you.[[User:Dour1234|Dour1234]] ([[User talk:Dour1234|talk]]) 01:55, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

==Hello there==
Don't know if you remember me - I left this site sometime ago - I'm the guy with YouTube channel. Thank you very much for your words on Mitth's page. And I appreciate your subscription. I've actually went on ahead and started the channel this year! I'm pretty pleased with my latest work even though I still feel there are parts that require improvement. I can't say it's a very successful channel - people who support me are kind of just some of the friends that are interested in Tolkien's legendarium (unfortunately there's not a great many of them), but regardless, I'm still working on it. I just like talking about Middle-earth, even if it's just a few people who listen to me. I grew up with PJ's films and began picking up Tolkien's books themselves (starting with ''The Hobbit'') when I was 6 :)) If you have any suggestions, either content-wise or to improve something, I'd welcome it. I've actually changed the channel (the older one you're subscribed to is the secondary one now) - it's [https://www.youtube.com/@thegreatwandererofarda The Great Wanderer of Middle-earth] now (though I may change the name). Hope I'm not being a bother. Thanks again! --[[User:LordoftheEarth|LordoftheEarth]] ([[User talk:LordoftheEarth|talk]]) 21:07, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

:Congratulations on starting the channel! You now have 16% more subscribers :) It takes a lot of dedication and perseverance to start a new YouTube channel so don't be deterred if it takes a while to grow. I'll definitely check out some videos this weekend. I wonder if the cover photo could be something with your logo on it for branding purposes. Feel free to use any content on TG to create your videos, there's a lot of people who prefer to watch/listen to lore rather than reading articles so I think you have the right idea. We wish you the best of luck! [[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] ([[User talk:Hyarion|talk]]) 21:32, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

==French interwiki links==

Hi! I just noticed that the general page link to the French wiki does not seem to be entirely correct anymore. It's still working, but I think that it should be https://www.tolkiendil.com/ now, without the "doku.php?id=".

For example, the current link to the main page is: https://www.tolkiendil.com/doku.php?id=encyclo 
However, when clicking on Index on the site itself, the adress for the main page appears as: https://www.tolkiendil.com/encyclo

-[[User:Adunoeth|Adunoeth]] ([[User talk:Adunoeth|talk]]) 01:52, 16 December 2024 (UTC) [[User:Adunoeth|Adunoeth]] ([[User talk:Adunoeth|talk]]) 01:52, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

:Thanks so much for your help! Great catch, and easy fix. I've updated the base URL for French interwiki links. You should now see the correct destination. :) [[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] ([[User talk:Hyarion|talk]]) 02:15, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
::You're welcome and thank you very much as well! -[[User:Adunoeth|Adunoeth]] ([[User talk:Adunoeth|talk]]) 02:21, 16 December 2024 (UTC) [[User:Adunoeth|Adunoeth]] ([[User talk:Adunoeth|talk]]) 02:21, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

==AI==

Hi Hyarion, I would like to ask you what policies exist on Tolkien Gateway about the usage of AI to edit/redo images. Could you point me to an elaboration? [[User:Smeagol|Smeagol]] ([[User talk:Smeagol|talk]]) 18:15, 2 November 2025 (UTC)

:Hi Smeagol! I hope all is going well over there. Thanks for reaching out, as AI can definitely be a controversial topic. Our current [[Help:Images#AI_art_policy]] forbids images that have been purely generated from an AI system. But like you mention, where do we draw the line when it comes to editing? Many basic Photoshop features can likely be considered AI, and isn't taking a picture on a cell phone using an algorithm/AI to process the image? Unfortunately I don't have a concrete answer.
:Maybe you can upload an example of what you have in mind and we can see if anyone has any concerns? I think the idea is more about protecting talented hard-working artists such as yourself, not restricting creative tools they can use to polish their work. [[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] ([[User talk:Hyarion|talk]]) 18:48, 2 November 2025 (UTC)
::Hi. I have created a rendering of Tavrobel based on a Tolkien sketch ([[:File:Steven White Jr - Tavrobel AI.png]]). It got marked for deletion.
::I illustrated the steps here:
::[[File:AI_Tavrobel_Sample.png|379x379px]]
::[[User:Smeagol|Smeagol]] ([[User talk:Smeagol|talk]]) 20:55, 2 November 2025 (UTC) [[User:Smeagol|Smeagol]] ([[User talk:Smeagol|talk]]) 20:55, 2 November 2025 (UTC)

==Test==

Edit notification test [[User:PLord|PLord]] ([[User talk:PLord|talk]]) 16:51, 1 February 2026 (UTC)

==Personal contact==

Hi Hyarion, maybe you remember me? I used to make maps.
How can I show you my latest mapping project before publishing it on my user page? I would like your opinion first. [[User:Smeagol|Smeagol]] ([[User talk:Smeagol|talk]]) 22:24, 2 March 2026 (UTC) [[User:Smeagol|Smeagol]] ([[User talk:Smeagol|talk]]) 22:24, 2 March 2026 (UTC)

:Of course! I'd love to check it out, my e-mail is hyarion at tolkiengateway.net [[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] ([[User talk:Hyarion|talk]]) 22:28, 2 March 2026 (UTC)
::Done, I have sent you a mail with a link to a dummy website where I placed my navigable map project [[User:Smeagol|Smeagol]] ([[User talk:Smeagol|talk]]) 23:12, 2 March 2026 (UTC) [[User:Smeagol|Smeagol]] ([[User talk:Smeagol|talk]]) 23:12, 2 March 2026 (UTC)
:::Ok, I have reactivated my small page at https://www.tolkienion.com/
:::And I have put the navigable vector map to https://map.tolkienion.com/
:::[[User:Smeagol|Smeagol]] ([[User talk:Smeagol|talk]]) 17:22, 7 March 2026 (UTC) [[User:Smeagol|Smeagol]] ([[User talk:Smeagol|talk]]) 17:22, 7 March 2026 (UTC)

== Request to Add Arabic Language Support to Tolkien Gateway ==

I would like to express my appreciation for the incredible work you have done in building Tolkien Gateway. It is truly one of the most valuable resources for fans of J.R.R. Tolkien’s legendarium.

I am writing to kindly request the addition of Arabic language support to the website. There is a large and passionate Arabic-speaking community that deeply loves Tolkien’s world, yet many face difficulty accessing detailed content due to the language barrier.

Providing Arabic support would greatly expand the reach of Tolkien Gateway and allow more fans to explore and engage with this rich universe in their native language.

As a devoted fan myself, I often find it challenging to fully understand the depth of the lore when reading in a non-native language.

Thank you for your time and consideration. I truly hope you will consider this request.

thank you

Mohammed [[User:Mohamed|Mohamed]] ([[User talk:Mohamed|talk]]) 08:25, 1 April 2026 (UTC)

== Usage of maps/images outside TolkienGateway ==

Hi. I have a question regarding the use of maps and images I have placed on TolkienGateway, and for which you have placed a fitting licensing template-tag. Are there issues surrounding people using this material outside TolkienGateway, especially for derivative depictions, such as colorisations? [[User:Smeagol|Smeagol]] ([[User talk:Smeagol|talk]]) 21:39, 23 April 2026 (UTC) [[User:Smeagol|Smeagol]] ([[User talk:Smeagol|talk]]) 21:39, 23 April 2026 (UTC)

User:Smeagol

2026-04-22T16:43:18Z

Smeagol: /* Sméagol */ name

{{user infobox
| image=UserSemagol Windrose.png
| name=Smeagol
| position=Editor
| language=English, German
| userboxheight=150px
| birth=1973}}

[[File:Tim Kirk - Riddle Game (cropped).jpg|thumb|right|x105px]]
=== Sméagol ===
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Tolkienion sindarin.gif|right]]
Sméagol is a fan of [[J.R.R. Tolkien|Tolkien]]'s books who lost some his enthusiasm after conflicting with the Tolkien Estate over maps on the web, but has recently returned to make new maps.
He is using the pseudonym "Steven White jr" on the internet and for publications, after his father.

== Maps ==

'''https://map.tolkienion.com/ - navigable map''' 

===My own maps===
<gallery heights="100px">
Steven White Jr. - Early Arda.jpg
Steven White Jr. - A vector map of Middle-earth 2.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Gondor TA1050.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Gondor TA3019.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Middle-earth map.gif
Steven White Jr. - Frodo's Journey.gif
Steven White Jr. - Fangorn Forest.gif
Steven White Jr. - Shire Perimeter.png
Steven White Jr - Shire Info.gif
Steven White Jr. - Icebay of Forochel.png
Steven White Jr. - Belfalas.png
Steven White Jr. - Swj vector map 001.png
Steven White Jr. - Valinor.gif
Steven White Jr. - First and Third.png
Steven White Jr. - Location of Numenor.png
</gallery>

===Contributions, Colorizations for other artists' maps===
<gallery heights="100px">
J.R.R. Tolkien - Ambarkanta Map (colorized).gif
Steven White Jr. - North-west of Middle-earth (First Age).png
Steven_White_Jr._-_Middle-earth_&_Numenor.jpg
Steven White Jr. - A Map of Beleriand (re-edited).jpg
Steven White Jr. - A Map of Beleriand.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Numenor re-edited.jpg
Ambarkanta Map V upscale.png
JRRTolkien Silmarillion cleanup.png
J.R.R. Tolkien - Thror's map.jpg
</gallery>

== Other Images ==
===Models===
<gallery widths="150px" heights="100px">
Steven White Jr. - Bagend 15.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Bagend view 115.jpg

Steven White Jr. - Ann17.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Ann18.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Ann19.jpg
Steven White Jr. - A2011-0009.jpg
Steven White Jr. - A2011-0017.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Ann hall 89.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Ann hall 77c.jpg|160px]]
Steven White Jr. - Ann hall 04c2.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Ann hall 04c2b.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Tu002.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Annuminas0005b.jpg

Steven White Jr. - Annu old 01.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Annu old 02.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Annu old 03.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Annu old 04.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Annu old 05.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Annu old 06.jpg
</gallery>

===AI===
<gallery widths="150px" heights="100px">
Steven White Jr - Tavrobel AI.png
Steven White Jr - Kortirion AI.png
Steven White Jr. - Smaug1a AI.png
Steven White Jr. - The Little House of Lost Play.png
</gallery>

===Drawings===
<gallery widths="150px" heights="100px">
Steven White Jr. - Smaug1a.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Guard at Barad-dur.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Gollum0003.jpg
</gallery>

===Colorization===
<gallery widths="150px" heights="100px">
David Wyatt and Steven White Jr. - Bag end color2.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Bagend.jpg
</gallery>

===Logos===
<gallery widths="150px" heights="100px">
Star of Earendil (vectorized).png
UserSemagol Windrose.png
</gallery>

== External Links ==
https://www.tolkienion.com/ 
https://legacy.tolkienion.com/ - maps collection 
https://map.tolkienion.com/ - navigable map 
 
https://www.ancientlocations.net/

[[User:Smeagol|Smeagol]]
18:47, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Stone of the Hapless

2026-04-17T23:48:11Z

Smeagol:

{{object infobox
| name=Stone of the Hapless
| image = Alan Lee - The Death of Morwen.jpg
| caption =
| caption="The Death of Morwen" by [[Alan Lee]]
| pronun=
| othernames=Standing Stone ([[Halethian|H.]] ''Talbor'')
| location=Atop [[Cabed Naeramarth]] by the river [[Taeglin]] Atop [[Tol Morwen]] surrounded by [[Belegaer]]
| owner=
| type=Memorial stone
| appearance=A great gray stone carved with the [[Angerthas Daeron|Runes of Doriath]].
| creator=[[Mablung]], [[Iathrim]], [[Haladin]]
| created={{FA|499}}
| createdlocation=[[Cabed Naeramarth]]
| destroyer=See [[#Other versions of the legendarium]]
| destroyed=
| destroyedlocation=
| notablefor=Being the gravestone of [[Túrin]] and [[Nienor]]
}}

The '''Stone of the Hapless''' was the memorial stone by [[Cabed Naeramarth]] on the banks of the river [[Taeglin]] that commemorated [[Túrin]] and [[Nienor]],<ref>{{S|Index}}</ref> and [[Morwen]] their mother.

==History==
When Túrin commanded his sword, [[Gurthang]], to take his life, [[Mablung]] and his eleven [[Elves|Elven]] huntsman along with [[Men]] from [[Nen Girith]] lifted up his body, laying him in a high mound with the shards of Gurthang beside him. Afterwards, the mistrals of Elves and Men made laments as a great gray stone was set upon the mound. In the [[Angerthas Daeron|Runes of Doriath]], the Elves engraved the words: ''TÚRIN TURAMBAR DAGNIR GLAURUNGA'' with the words ''NIËNOR NÍNIEL'' beneath it.<ref>{{CH|18}}</ref>

In the days after, [[Men]] became afraid to dwell there long. Sometime later, [[Morwen]] found the graven stone in her witless wanderings, read it and knew her children were dead, but did not understand how they died, and awaited death beside the stone.<ref>{{WJ|Hurin}}, pp. 258, 259</ref>

In {{FA|501}}, [[Húrin]] was released from [[Angband]]. During his wanderings, he eventually came upon the Stone of the Hapless in time to meet Morwen one last time before she died in his arms. Believing that the [[Haladin]] knowingly let her starve, Húrin swore over Morwen's body to bring ruin upon the [[Forest of Brethil]].<ref>{{WJ|Hurin}}, pp. 273, 274</ref>

During the [[Folkmoot for Judgement]] at the [[Moot-ring]], Húrin accused [[Harding]] of leaving Morwen to starve to death beside the Standing Stone, initiating a riot that brought about Húrin's objective.<ref>{{WJ|Hurin}}, pp. 290, 291</ref>

Afterwards, Húrin led the survivors back to the Standing Stone, where they helped him bury Morwen and carve into the stone the words: "''Here lies also Morwen Eðelhwen''". Afterwards, they sang laments while a gray rain came down. In the days following, the land around the Standing Stone remained leafless and bare, yet fear no longer kept [[Men]] from wandering to the Talbor as until the end of [[Beleriand]], the [[Men|women]] of [[Brethil]] would come to the stone, bringing flowers in spring and berries in autumn, singing of the [[Morwen|Grey Lady]] who sought her [[Túrin|son]]. During that time, a seer and harp-player by the name of [[Glirhuin]], made a song that Morgoth would never defile the Standing Stone and that it would remain standing ever after. Later, during the drowning of [[Beleriand]] "in the [[War of Wrath|days of the wrath]] of the [[Valar]]", the site of the Stone of the Hapless did not drown, but remained atop an island, [[Tol Morwen]].<ref>{{WJ|Hurin}}, p. 296</ref>

==Etymology==
The Stone of the Hapless was also known as the '''Talbor''' ([[Halethian|H.]] "Standing Stone"), a [[Halethian]] name comprised of the word ''[[bor (Taliska)|bor]]'' ("Stone") and some unknown element.<ref>{{WJ|Hurin}}, pp. 257, 309. See also note 15</ref>

==Other versions of the legendarium==
During the [[Dagor Dagorath]], when [[Túrin]] rises from the dead, it is unknown what would happen to the Stone of the Hapless whether it would survive or whether it would be destroyed or removed as collateral damage due to it being placed directly above Túrin's corpse.

{{references}}

[[Category:Graves and tombs]]

[[de:Stein der Unglücklichen]]
[[fi:Kovaonnisten Kivi]]
[[fr:encyclo/geographie/tombes/pierre des infortunes]]

User:Smeagol

2026-04-17T18:33:04Z

Smeagol: /* Sméagol */

{{user infobox
| image=UserSemagol Windrose.png
| name=Smeagol
| position=Editor
| language=English, German
| userboxheight=150px
| birth=1973}}

[[File:Tim Kirk - Riddle Game (cropped).jpg|thumb|right|x105px]]
=== Sméagol ===
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Tolkienion sindarin.gif|right]]
Sméagol is a fan of [[J.R.R. Tolkien|Tolkien]]'s books who lost some his enthusiasm after conflicting with the Tolkien Estate over maps on the web, but has recently returned to make new maps.

== Maps ==

'''https://map.tolkienion.com/ - navigable map''' 

===My own maps===
<gallery heights="100px">
Steven White Jr. - Early Arda.jpg
Steven White Jr. - A vector map of Middle-earth 2.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Gondor TA1050.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Gondor TA3019.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Middle-earth map.gif
Steven White Jr. - Frodo's Journey.gif
Steven White Jr. - Fangorn Forest.gif
Steven White Jr. - Shire Perimeter.png
Steven White Jr - Shire Info.gif
Steven White Jr. - Icebay of Forochel.png
Steven White Jr. - Belfalas.png
Steven White Jr. - Swj vector map 001.png
Steven White Jr. - Valinor.gif
Steven White Jr. - First and Third.png
Steven White Jr. - Location of Numenor.png
</gallery>

===Contributions, Colorizations for other artists' maps===
<gallery heights="100px">
J.R.R. Tolkien - Ambarkanta Map (colorized).gif
Steven White Jr. - North-west of Middle-earth (First Age).png
Steven_White_Jr._-_Middle-earth_&_Numenor.jpg
Steven White Jr. - A Map of Beleriand (re-edited).jpg
Steven White Jr. - A Map of Beleriand.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Numenor re-edited.jpg
Ambarkanta Map V upscale.png
JRRTolkien Silmarillion cleanup.png
J.R.R. Tolkien - Thror's map.jpg
</gallery>

== Other Images ==
===Models===
<gallery widths="150px" heights="100px">
Steven White Jr. - Bagend 15.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Bagend view 115.jpg

Steven White Jr. - Ann17.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Ann18.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Ann19.jpg
Steven White Jr. - A2011-0009.jpg
Steven White Jr. - A2011-0017.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Ann hall 89.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Ann hall 77c.jpg|160px]]
Steven White Jr. - Ann hall 04c2.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Ann hall 04c2b.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Tu002.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Annuminas0005b.jpg

Steven White Jr. - Annu old 01.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Annu old 02.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Annu old 03.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Annu old 04.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Annu old 05.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Annu old 06.jpg
</gallery>

===AI===
<gallery widths="150px" heights="100px">
Steven White Jr - Tavrobel AI.png
Steven White Jr - Kortirion AI.png
Steven White Jr. - Smaug1a AI.png
Steven White Jr. - The Little House of Lost Play.png
</gallery>

===Drawings===
<gallery widths="150px" heights="100px">
Steven White Jr. - Smaug1a.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Guard at Barad-dur.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Gollum0003.jpg
</gallery>

===Colorization===
<gallery widths="150px" heights="100px">
David Wyatt and Steven White Jr. - Bag end color2.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Bagend.jpg
</gallery>

===Logos===
<gallery widths="150px" heights="100px">
Star of Earendil (vectorized).png
UserSemagol Windrose.png
</gallery>

== External Links ==
https://www.tolkienion.com/ 
https://legacy.tolkienion.com/ - maps collection 
https://map.tolkienion.com/ - navigable map 
 
https://www.ancientlocations.net/

[[User:Smeagol|Smeagol]]
18:47, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Methedras

2026-04-17T13:03:40Z

Smeagol: /* Location? */ new section

User:Smeagol

2026-04-08T08:19:07Z

Smeagol: dimension

{{user infobox
| image=UserSemagol Windrose.png
| name=Smeagol
| position=Editor
| language=English, German
| userboxheight=150px
| birth=1973}}

[[File:Tim Kirk - Riddle Game (cropped).jpg|thumb|right|x105px]]
=== Sméagol ===
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Tolkienion sindarin.gif|right]]
Sméagol is a fan of [[J.R.R. Tolkien|Tolkien]]'s books who lost his enthusiasm after conflicting with the Tolkien Estate over maps on the web...

== Maps ==

'''https://map.tolkienion.com/ - navigable map''' 

===My own maps===
<gallery heights="100px">
Steven White Jr. - Early Arda.jpg
Steven White Jr. - A vector map of Middle-earth 2.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Gondor TA1050.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Gondor TA3019.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Middle-earth map.gif
Steven White Jr. - Frodo's Journey.gif
Steven White Jr. - Fangorn Forest.gif
Steven White Jr. - Shire Perimeter.png
Steven White Jr - Shire Info.gif
Steven White Jr. - Icebay of Forochel.png
Steven White Jr. - Belfalas.png
Steven White Jr. - Swj vector map 001.png
Steven White Jr. - Valinor.gif
Steven White Jr. - First and Third.png
Steven White Jr. - Location of Numenor.png
</gallery>

===Contributions, Colorizations for other artists' maps===
<gallery heights="100px">
J.R.R. Tolkien - Ambarkanta Map (colorized).gif
Steven White Jr. - North-west of Middle-earth (First Age).png
Steven_White_Jr._-_Middle-earth_&_Numenor.jpg
Steven White Jr. - A Map of Beleriand (re-edited).jpg
Steven White Jr. - A Map of Beleriand.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Numenor re-edited.jpg
Ambarkanta Map V upscale.png
JRRTolkien Silmarillion cleanup.png
J.R.R. Tolkien - Thror's map.jpg
</gallery>

== Other Images ==
===Models===
<gallery widths="150px" heights="100px">
Steven White Jr. - Bagend 15.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Bagend view 115.jpg

Steven White Jr. - Ann17.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Ann18.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Ann19.jpg
Steven White Jr. - A2011-0009.jpg
Steven White Jr. - A2011-0017.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Ann hall 89.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Ann hall 77c.jpg|160px]]
Steven White Jr. - Ann hall 04c2.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Ann hall 04c2b.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Tu002.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Annuminas0005b.jpg

Steven White Jr. - Annu old 01.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Annu old 02.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Annu old 03.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Annu old 04.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Annu old 05.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Annu old 06.jpg
</gallery>

===AI===
<gallery widths="150px" heights="100px">
Steven White Jr - Tavrobel AI.png
Steven White Jr - Kortirion AI.png
Steven White Jr. - Smaug1a AI.png
Steven White Jr. - The Little House of Lost Play.png
</gallery>

===Drawings===
<gallery widths="150px" heights="100px">
Steven White Jr. - Smaug1a.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Guard at Barad-dur.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Gollum0003.jpg
</gallery>

===Colorization===
<gallery widths="150px" heights="100px">
David Wyatt and Steven White Jr. - Bag end color2.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Bagend.jpg
</gallery>

===Logos===
<gallery widths="150px" heights="100px">
Star of Earendil (vectorized).png
UserSemagol Windrose.png
</gallery>

== External Links ==
https://www.tolkienion.com/ 
https://legacy.tolkienion.com/ - maps collection 
https://map.tolkienion.com/ - navigable map 
 
https://www.ancientlocations.net/

[[User:Smeagol|Smeagol]]
18:47, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

User:Smeagol

2026-03-25T08:15:41Z

Smeagol: map link

{{user infobox
| image=UserSemagol Windrose.png
| name=Smeagol
| position=Editor
| language=English, German
| userboxheight=150px
| birth=1973}}

[[File:Tim Kirk - Riddle Game (cropped).jpg|thumb|right|x105px]]
=== Sméagol ===
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Tolkienion sindarin.gif|right]]
Sméagol is a fan of [[J.R.R. Tolkien|Tolkien]]'s books who lost his enthusiasm after conflicting with the Tolkien Estate over maps on the web...

== Maps ==

'''https://map.tolkienion.com/ - navigable map''' 

===My own maps===
<gallery heights="105px">
Steven White Jr. - Early Arda.jpg
Steven White Jr. - A vector map of Middle-earth 2.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Gondor TA1050.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Gondor TA3019.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Middle-earth map.gif
Steven White Jr. - Frodo's Journey.gif
Steven White Jr. - Fangorn Forest.gif
Steven White Jr. - Shire Perimeter.png
Steven White Jr - Shire Info.gif
Steven White Jr. - Icebay of Forochel.png
Steven White Jr. - Belfalas.png
Steven White Jr. - Swj vector map 001.png
Steven White Jr. - Valinor.gif
Steven White Jr. - First and Third.png
Steven White Jr. - Location of Numenor.png
</gallery>

===Contributions, Colorizations for other artists' maps===
<gallery heights="105px">
J.R.R. Tolkien - Ambarkanta Map (colorized).gif
Steven White Jr. - North-west of Middle-earth (First Age).png
Steven_White_Jr._-_Middle-earth_&_Numenor.jpg
Steven White Jr. - A Map of Beleriand (re-edited).jpg
Steven White Jr. - A Map of Beleriand.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Numenor re-edited.jpg
Ambarkanta Map V upscale.png
JRRTolkien Silmarillion cleanup.png
J.R.R. Tolkien - Thror's map.jpg
</gallery>

== Other Images ==
===Models===
<gallery widths="150px" heights="105px">
Steven White Jr. - Bagend 15.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Bagend view 115.jpg

Steven White Jr. - Ann17.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Ann18.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Ann19.jpg
Steven White Jr. - A2011-0009.jpg
Steven White Jr. - A2011-0017.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Ann hall 89.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Ann hall 77c.jpg|160px]]
Steven White Jr. - Ann hall 04c2.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Ann hall 04c2b.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Tu002.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Annuminas0005b.jpg

Steven White Jr. - Annu old 01.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Annu old 02.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Annu old 03.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Annu old 04.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Annu old 05.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Annu old 06.jpg
</gallery>

===AI===
<gallery widths="150px" heights="105px">
Steven White Jr - Tavrobel AI.png
Steven White Jr - Kortirion AI.png
Steven White Jr. - Smaug1a AI.png
Steven White Jr. - The Little House of Lost Play.png
</gallery>

===Drawings===
<gallery widths="150px" heights="105px">
Steven White Jr. - Smaug1a.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Guard at Barad-dur.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Gollum0003.jpg
</gallery>

===Colorization===
<gallery widths="150px" heights="105px">
David Wyatt and Steven White Jr. - Bag end color2.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Bagend.jpg
</gallery>

===Logos===
<gallery widths="150px" heights="105px">
Star of Earendil (vectorized).png
UserSemagol Windrose.png
</gallery>

== External Links ==
https://www.tolkienion.com/ 
https://legacy.tolkienion.com/ - maps collection 
https://map.tolkienion.com/ - navigable map 
 
https://www.ancientlocations.net/

[[User:Smeagol|Smeagol]]
18:47, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

User:Smeagol

2026-03-10T11:39:07Z

Smeagol: /* Maps */

{{user infobox
| image=UserSemagol Windrose.png
| name=Smeagol
| position=Editor
| language=English, German
| userboxheight=150px
| birth=1973}}

[[File:Tim Kirk - Riddle Game (cropped).jpg|thumb|right|x105px]]
=== Sméagol ===
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Tolkienion sindarin.gif|right]]
Sméagol is a fan of [[J.R.R. Tolkien|Tolkien]]'s books who lost his enthusiasm after conflicting with the Tolkien Estate over maps on the web...

== Maps ==
===My own maps===
<gallery heights="105px">
Steven White Jr. - Early Arda.jpg
Steven White Jr. - A vector map of Middle-earth 2.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Gondor TA1050.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Gondor TA3019.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Middle-earth map.gif
Steven White Jr. - Frodo's Journey.gif
Steven White Jr. - Fangorn Forest.gif
Steven White Jr. - Shire Perimeter.png
Steven White Jr - Shire Info.gif
Steven White Jr. - Icebay of Forochel.png
Steven White Jr. - Belfalas.png
Steven White Jr. - Swj vector map 001.png
Steven White Jr. - Valinor.gif
Steven White Jr. - First and Third.png
Steven White Jr. - Location of Numenor.png
</gallery>

===Contributions, Colorizations for other artists' maps===
<gallery heights="105px">
J.R.R. Tolkien - Ambarkanta Map (colorized).gif
Steven White Jr. - North-west of Middle-earth (First Age).png
Steven_White_Jr._-_Middle-earth_&_Numenor.jpg
Steven White Jr. - A Map of Beleriand (re-edited).jpg
Steven White Jr. - A Map of Beleriand.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Numenor re-edited.jpg
Ambarkanta Map V upscale.png
JRRTolkien Silmarillion cleanup.png
J.R.R. Tolkien - Thror's map.jpg
</gallery>

== Other Images ==
===Models===
<gallery widths="150px" heights="105px">
Steven White Jr. - Bagend 15.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Bagend view 115.jpg

Steven White Jr. - Ann17.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Ann18.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Ann19.jpg
Steven White Jr. - A2011-0009.jpg
Steven White Jr. - A2011-0017.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Ann hall 89.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Ann hall 77c.jpg|160px]]
Steven White Jr. - Ann hall 04c2.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Ann hall 04c2b.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Tu002.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Annuminas0005b.jpg

Steven White Jr. - Annu old 01.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Annu old 02.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Annu old 03.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Annu old 04.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Annu old 05.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Annu old 06.jpg
</gallery>

===AI===
<gallery widths="150px" heights="105px">
Steven White Jr - Tavrobel AI.png
Steven White Jr - Kortirion AI.png
Steven White Jr. - Smaug1a AI.png
Steven White Jr. - The Little House of Lost Play.png
</gallery>

===Drawings===
<gallery widths="150px" heights="105px">
Steven White Jr. - Smaug1a.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Guard at Barad-dur.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Gollum0003.jpg
</gallery>

===Colorization===
<gallery widths="150px" heights="105px">
David Wyatt and Steven White Jr. - Bag end color2.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Bagend.jpg
</gallery>

===Logos===
<gallery widths="150px" heights="105px">
Star of Earendil (vectorized).png
UserSemagol Windrose.png
</gallery>

== External Links ==
https://www.tolkienion.com/ 
https://legacy.tolkienion.com/ - maps collection 
https://map.tolkienion.com/ - navigable map 
 
https://www.ancientlocations.net/

[[User:Smeagol|Smeagol]]
18:47, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

User:Smeagol

2026-03-10T11:35:05Z

Smeagol:

{{user infobox
| image=UserSemagol Windrose.png
| name=Smeagol
| position=Editor
| language=English, German
| userboxheight=150px
| birth=1973}}

[[File:Tim Kirk - Riddle Game (cropped).jpg|thumb|right|x105px]]
=== Sméagol ===
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Tolkienion sindarin.gif|right]]
Sméagol is a fan of [[J.R.R. Tolkien|Tolkien]]'s books who lost his enthusiasm after conflicting with the Tolkien Estate over maps on the web...

== Maps ==
===My own maps===
<gallery widths="150px" heights="105px">
Steven White Jr. - Early Arda.jpg
Steven White Jr. - A vector map of Middle-earth 2.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Gondor TA1050.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Gondor TA3019.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Middle-earth map.gif
Steven White Jr. - Frodo's Journey.gif
Steven White Jr. - Fangorn Forest.gif
Steven White Jr. - Shire Perimeter.png
Steven White Jr - Shire Info.gif
Steven White Jr. - Icebay of Forochel.png
Steven White Jr. - Belfalas.png
Steven White Jr. - Swj vector map 001.png
Steven White Jr. - Valinor.gif
Steven White Jr. - First and Third.png
Steven White Jr. - Location of Numenor.png
</gallery>

===Contributions, Colorizations for other artists' maps===
<gallery widths="150px" heights="105px">
J.R.R. Tolkien - Ambarkanta Map (colorized).gif
Steven White Jr. - North-west of Middle-earth (First Age).png
Steven_White_Jr._-_Middle-earth_&_Numenor.jpg
Steven White Jr. - A Map of Beleriand (re-edited).jpg
Steven White Jr. - A Map of Beleriand.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Numenor re-edited.jpg
Ambarkanta Map V upscale.png
JRRTolkien Silmarillion cleanup.png
J.R.R. Tolkien - Thror's map.jpg
</gallery>

== Other Images ==
===Models===
<gallery widths="150px" heights="105px">
Steven White Jr. - Bagend 15.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Bagend view 115.jpg

Steven White Jr. - Ann17.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Ann18.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Ann19.jpg
Steven White Jr. - A2011-0009.jpg
Steven White Jr. - A2011-0017.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Ann hall 89.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Ann hall 77c.jpg|160px]]
Steven White Jr. - Ann hall 04c2.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Ann hall 04c2b.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Tu002.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Annuminas0005b.jpg

Steven White Jr. - Annu old 01.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Annu old 02.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Annu old 03.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Annu old 04.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Annu old 05.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Annu old 06.jpg
</gallery>

===AI===
<gallery widths="150px" heights="105px">
Steven White Jr - Tavrobel AI.png
Steven White Jr - Kortirion AI.png
Steven White Jr. - Smaug1a AI.png
Steven White Jr. - The Little House of Lost Play.png
</gallery>

===Drawings===
<gallery widths="150px" heights="105px">
Steven White Jr. - Smaug1a.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Guard at Barad-dur.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Gollum0003.jpg
</gallery>

===Colorization===
<gallery widths="150px" heights="105px">
David Wyatt and Steven White Jr. - Bag end color2.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Bagend.jpg
</gallery>

===Logos===
<gallery widths="150px" heights="105px">
Star of Earendil (vectorized).png
UserSemagol Windrose.png
</gallery>

== External Links ==
https://www.tolkienion.com/ 
https://legacy.tolkienion.com/ - maps collection 
https://map.tolkienion.com/ - navigable map 
 
https://www.ancientlocations.net/

[[User:Smeagol|Smeagol]]
18:47, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

User:Smeagol

2026-03-10T11:33:19Z

Smeagol: /* Models */

{{user infobox
| image=UserSemagol Windrose.png
| name=Smeagol
| position=Editor
| language=English, German
| userboxheight=150px
| birth=1973}}

[[File:Tim Kirk - Riddle Game (cropped).jpg|thumb|right|x105px]]
=== Sméagol ===
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Tolkienion sindarin.gif|right]]
Sméagol is a fan of [[J.R.R. Tolkien|Tolkien]]'s books who lost his enthusiasm after conflicting with the Tolkien Estate over maps on the web...

== Maps ==
===My own maps===
<gallery widths="150px" heights="105px">
Steven White Jr. - Early Arda.jpg
Steven White Jr. - A vector map of Middle-earth 2.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Gondor TA1050.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Gondor TA3019.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Middle-earth map.gif
Steven White Jr. - Frodo's Journey.gif
Steven White Jr. - Fangorn Forest.gif
Steven White Jr. - Shire Perimeter.png
Steven White Jr - Shire Info.gif
Steven White Jr. - Icebay of Forochel.png
Steven White Jr. - Belfalas.png
Steven White Jr. - Swj vector map 001.png
Steven White Jr. - Valinor.gif
Steven White Jr. - First and Third.png
Steven White Jr. - Location of Numenor.png
</gallery>

===Contributions, Colorizations for other artists' maps===
<gallery widths="150px" heights="105px">
J.R.R. Tolkien - Ambarkanta Map (colorized).gif
Steven White Jr. - North-west of Middle-earth (First Age).png
Steven_White_Jr._-_Middle-earth_&_Numenor.jpg
Steven White Jr. - A Map of Beleriand (re-edited).jpg
Steven White Jr. - A Map of Beleriand.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Numenor re-edited.jpg
Ambarkanta Map V upscale.png
JRRTolkien Silmarillion cleanup.png
J.R.R. Tolkien - Thror's map.jpg
</gallery>

== Other Images ==
===Models===
<gallery widths="150px" heights="105px">
Steven White Jr. - Bagend 15.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Bagend view 115.jpg

Steven White Jr. - Ann17.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Ann18.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Ann19.jpg
Steven White Jr. - A2011-0009.jpg
Steven White Jr. - A2011-0017.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Ann hall 89.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Ann hall 77c.jpg|160px]]
Steven White Jr. - Ann hall 04c2.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Ann hall 04c2b.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Tu002.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Annuminas0005b.jpg

Steven White Jr. - Annu old 01.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Annu old 02.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Annu old 03.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Annu old 04.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Annu old 05.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Annu old 06.jpg
</gallery>

===AI===

[[File:Steven White Jr - Tavrobel AI.png|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr - Kortirion AI.png|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Smaug1a AI.png|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - The Little House of Lost Play.png|x105px]]

===Drawings===
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Smaug1a.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Guard at Barad-dur.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Gollum0003.jpg|x105px]]

===Colorization===
[[File:David Wyatt and Steven White Jr. - Bag end color2.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Bagend.jpg|x105px]]

===Logos===
[[File:Star of Earendil (vectorized).png|x105px]]
[[File:UserSemagol Windrose.png|x105px]]

== External Links ==
https://www.tolkienion.com/ 
https://legacy.tolkienion.com/ - maps collection 
https://map.tolkienion.com/ - navigable map 
 
https://www.ancientlocations.net/

[[User:Smeagol|Smeagol]]
18:47, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

User:Smeagol

2026-03-10T11:32:25Z

Smeagol: /* Contributions, Colorizations for other artists' maps */

{{user infobox
| image=UserSemagol Windrose.png
| name=Smeagol
| position=Editor
| language=English, German
| userboxheight=150px
| birth=1973}}

[[File:Tim Kirk - Riddle Game (cropped).jpg|thumb|right|x105px]]
=== Sméagol ===
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Tolkienion sindarin.gif|right]]
Sméagol is a fan of [[J.R.R. Tolkien|Tolkien]]'s books who lost his enthusiasm after conflicting with the Tolkien Estate over maps on the web...

== Maps ==
===My own maps===
<gallery widths="150px" heights="105px">
Steven White Jr. - Early Arda.jpg
Steven White Jr. - A vector map of Middle-earth 2.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Gondor TA1050.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Gondor TA3019.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Middle-earth map.gif
Steven White Jr. - Frodo's Journey.gif
Steven White Jr. - Fangorn Forest.gif
Steven White Jr. - Shire Perimeter.png
Steven White Jr - Shire Info.gif
Steven White Jr. - Icebay of Forochel.png
Steven White Jr. - Belfalas.png
Steven White Jr. - Swj vector map 001.png
Steven White Jr. - Valinor.gif
Steven White Jr. - First and Third.png
Steven White Jr. - Location of Numenor.png
</gallery>

===Contributions, Colorizations for other artists' maps===
<gallery widths="150px" heights="105px">
J.R.R. Tolkien - Ambarkanta Map (colorized).gif
Steven White Jr. - North-west of Middle-earth (First Age).png
Steven_White_Jr._-_Middle-earth_&_Numenor.jpg
Steven White Jr. - A Map of Beleriand (re-edited).jpg
Steven White Jr. - A Map of Beleriand.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Numenor re-edited.jpg
Ambarkanta Map V upscale.png
JRRTolkien Silmarillion cleanup.png
J.R.R. Tolkien - Thror's map.jpg
</gallery>

== Other Images ==
===Models===
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Bagend 15.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Bagend view 115.jpg|x105px]]

[[File:Steven White Jr. - Ann17.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Ann18.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Ann19.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - A2011-0009.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - A2011-0017.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Ann hall 89.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Ann hall 77c.jpg|160px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Ann hall 04c2.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Ann hall 04c2b.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Tu002.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Annuminas0005b.jpg|x105px]]

[[File:Steven White Jr. - Annu old 01.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Annu old 02.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Annu old 03.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Annu old 04.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Annu old 05.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Annu old 06.jpg|x105px]]

===AI===

[[File:Steven White Jr - Tavrobel AI.png|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr - Kortirion AI.png|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Smaug1a AI.png|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - The Little House of Lost Play.png|x105px]]

===Drawings===
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Smaug1a.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Guard at Barad-dur.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Gollum0003.jpg|x105px]]

===Colorization===
[[File:David Wyatt and Steven White Jr. - Bag end color2.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Bagend.jpg|x105px]]

===Logos===
[[File:Star of Earendil (vectorized).png|x105px]]
[[File:UserSemagol Windrose.png|x105px]]

== External Links ==
https://www.tolkienion.com/ 
https://legacy.tolkienion.com/ - maps collection 
https://map.tolkienion.com/ - navigable map 
 
https://www.ancientlocations.net/

[[User:Smeagol|Smeagol]]
18:47, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

User:Smeagol

2026-03-10T11:30:53Z

Smeagol: /* My own maps */

{{user infobox
| image=UserSemagol Windrose.png
| name=Smeagol
| position=Editor
| language=English, German
| userboxheight=150px
| birth=1973}}

[[File:Tim Kirk - Riddle Game (cropped).jpg|thumb|right|x105px]]
=== Sméagol ===
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Tolkienion sindarin.gif|right]]
Sméagol is a fan of [[J.R.R. Tolkien|Tolkien]]'s books who lost his enthusiasm after conflicting with the Tolkien Estate over maps on the web...

== Maps ==
===My own maps===
<gallery widths="150px" heights="105px">
Steven White Jr. - Early Arda.jpg
Steven White Jr. - A vector map of Middle-earth 2.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Gondor TA1050.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Gondor TA3019.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Middle-earth map.gif
Steven White Jr. - Frodo's Journey.gif
Steven White Jr. - Fangorn Forest.gif
Steven White Jr. - Shire Perimeter.png
Steven White Jr - Shire Info.gif
Steven White Jr. - Icebay of Forochel.png
Steven White Jr. - Belfalas.png
Steven White Jr. - Swj vector map 001.png
Steven White Jr. - Valinor.gif
Steven White Jr. - First and Third.png
Steven White Jr. - Location of Numenor.png
</gallery>

===Contributions, Colorizations for other artists' maps===
[[File:J.R.R. Tolkien - Ambarkanta Map (colorized).gif|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - North-west of Middle-earth (First Age).png|x105px]]
[[File:Steven_White_Jr._-_Middle-earth_&_Numenor.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - A Map of Beleriand (re-edited).jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - A Map of Beleriand.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Numenor re-edited.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Ambarkanta Map V upscale.png|x105px]]
[[File:JRRTolkien Silmarillion cleanup.png|x105px]]
[[File:J.R.R. Tolkien - Thror's map.jpg|x105px]]

== Other Images ==
===Models===
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Bagend 15.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Bagend view 115.jpg|x105px]]

[[File:Steven White Jr. - Ann17.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Ann18.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Ann19.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - A2011-0009.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - A2011-0017.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Ann hall 89.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Ann hall 77c.jpg|160px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Ann hall 04c2.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Ann hall 04c2b.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Tu002.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Annuminas0005b.jpg|x105px]]

[[File:Steven White Jr. - Annu old 01.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Annu old 02.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Annu old 03.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Annu old 04.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Annu old 05.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Annu old 06.jpg|x105px]]

===AI===

[[File:Steven White Jr - Tavrobel AI.png|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr - Kortirion AI.png|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Smaug1a AI.png|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - The Little House of Lost Play.png|x105px]]

===Drawings===
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Smaug1a.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Guard at Barad-dur.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Gollum0003.jpg|x105px]]

===Colorization===
[[File:David Wyatt and Steven White Jr. - Bag end color2.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Bagend.jpg|x105px]]

===Logos===
[[File:Star of Earendil (vectorized).png|x105px]]
[[File:UserSemagol Windrose.png|x105px]]

== External Links ==
https://www.tolkienion.com/ 
https://legacy.tolkienion.com/ - maps collection 
https://map.tolkienion.com/ - navigable map 
 
https://www.ancientlocations.net/

[[User:Smeagol|Smeagol]]
18:47, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

User:Smeagol

2026-03-10T11:26:19Z

Smeagol: /* My own maps */

{{user infobox
| image=UserSemagol Windrose.png
| name=Smeagol
| position=Editor
| language=English, German
| userboxheight=150px
| birth=1973}}

[[File:Tim Kirk - Riddle Game (cropped).jpg|thumb|right|x105px]]
=== Sméagol ===
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Tolkienion sindarin.gif|right]]
Sméagol is a fan of [[J.R.R. Tolkien|Tolkien]]'s books who lost his enthusiasm after conflicting with the Tolkien Estate over maps on the web...

== Maps ==
===My own maps===
<gallery>
Steven White Jr. - Early Arda.jpg
Steven White Jr. - A vector map of Middle-earth 2.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Gondor TA1050.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Gondor TA3019.jpg
Steven White Jr. - Middle-earth map.gif
Steven White Jr. - Frodo's Journey.gif
Steven White Jr. - Fangorn Forest.gif
Steven White Jr. - Shire Perimeter.png
Steven White Jr - Shire Info.gif
Steven White Jr. - Icebay of Forochel.png
Steven White Jr. - Belfalas.png
Steven White Jr. - Swj vector map 001.png
Steven White Jr. - Valinor.gif
Steven White Jr. - First and Third.png
Steven White Jr. - Location of Numenor.png
</gallery>

===Contributions, Colorizations for other artists' maps===
[[File:J.R.R. Tolkien - Ambarkanta Map (colorized).gif|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - North-west of Middle-earth (First Age).png|x105px]]
[[File:Steven_White_Jr._-_Middle-earth_&_Numenor.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - A Map of Beleriand (re-edited).jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - A Map of Beleriand.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Numenor re-edited.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Ambarkanta Map V upscale.png|x105px]]
[[File:JRRTolkien Silmarillion cleanup.png|x105px]]
[[File:J.R.R. Tolkien - Thror's map.jpg|x105px]]

== Other Images ==
===Models===
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Bagend 15.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Bagend view 115.jpg|x105px]]

[[File:Steven White Jr. - Ann17.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Ann18.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Ann19.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - A2011-0009.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - A2011-0017.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Ann hall 89.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Ann hall 77c.jpg|160px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Ann hall 04c2.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Ann hall 04c2b.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Tu002.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Annuminas0005b.jpg|x105px]]

[[File:Steven White Jr. - Annu old 01.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Annu old 02.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Annu old 03.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Annu old 04.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Annu old 05.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Annu old 06.jpg|x105px]]

===AI===

[[File:Steven White Jr - Tavrobel AI.png|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr - Kortirion AI.png|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Smaug1a AI.png|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - The Little House of Lost Play.png|x105px]]

===Drawings===
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Smaug1a.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Guard at Barad-dur.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Gollum0003.jpg|x105px]]

===Colorization===
[[File:David Wyatt and Steven White Jr. - Bag end color2.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Bagend.jpg|x105px]]

===Logos===
[[File:Star of Earendil (vectorized).png|x105px]]
[[File:UserSemagol Windrose.png|x105px]]

== External Links ==
https://www.tolkienion.com/ 
https://legacy.tolkienion.com/ - maps collection 
https://map.tolkienion.com/ - navigable map 
 
https://www.ancientlocations.net/

[[User:Smeagol|Smeagol]]
18:47, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

User:Smeagol

2026-03-10T11:25:26Z

Smeagol: /* My own maps */

{{user infobox
| image=UserSemagol Windrose.png
| name=Smeagol
| position=Editor
| language=English, German
| userboxheight=150px
| birth=1973}}

[[File:Tim Kirk - Riddle Game (cropped).jpg|thumb|right|x105px]]
=== Sméagol ===
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Tolkienion sindarin.gif|right]]
Sméagol is a fan of [[J.R.R. Tolkien|Tolkien]]'s books who lost his enthusiasm after conflicting with the Tolkien Estate over maps on the web...

== Maps ==
===My own maps===
<gallery>
Steven White Jr. - Early Arda.jpg|x105px
Steven White Jr. - A vector map of Middle-earth 2.jpg|x105px
Steven White Jr. - Gondor TA1050.jpg|x105px
Steven White Jr. - Gondor TA3019.jpg|x105px
Steven White Jr. - Middle-earth map.gif|x105px
Steven White Jr. - Frodo's Journey.gif|x105px
Steven White Jr. - Fangorn Forest.gif|x105px
Steven White Jr. - Shire Perimeter.png|x105px
Steven White Jr - Shire Info.gif|x105px
Steven White Jr. - Icebay of Forochel.png|x105px
Steven White Jr. - Belfalas.png|x105px
Steven White Jr. - Swj vector map 001.png|x105px
Steven White Jr. - Valinor.gif|x105px
Steven White Jr. - First and Third.png|x105px
Steven White Jr. - Location of Numenor.png|x105px
</gallery>

===Contributions, Colorizations for other artists' maps===
[[File:J.R.R. Tolkien - Ambarkanta Map (colorized).gif|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - North-west of Middle-earth (First Age).png|x105px]]
[[File:Steven_White_Jr._-_Middle-earth_&_Numenor.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - A Map of Beleriand (re-edited).jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - A Map of Beleriand.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Numenor re-edited.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Ambarkanta Map V upscale.png|x105px]]
[[File:JRRTolkien Silmarillion cleanup.png|x105px]]
[[File:J.R.R. Tolkien - Thror's map.jpg|x105px]]

== Other Images ==
===Models===
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Bagend 15.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Bagend view 115.jpg|x105px]]

[[File:Steven White Jr. - Ann17.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Ann18.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Ann19.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - A2011-0009.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - A2011-0017.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Ann hall 89.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Ann hall 77c.jpg|160px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Ann hall 04c2.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Ann hall 04c2b.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Tu002.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Annuminas0005b.jpg|x105px]]

[[File:Steven White Jr. - Annu old 01.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Annu old 02.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Annu old 03.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Annu old 04.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Annu old 05.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Annu old 06.jpg|x105px]]

===AI===

[[File:Steven White Jr - Tavrobel AI.png|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr - Kortirion AI.png|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Smaug1a AI.png|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - The Little House of Lost Play.png|x105px]]

===Drawings===
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Smaug1a.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Guard at Barad-dur.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Gollum0003.jpg|x105px]]

===Colorization===
[[File:David Wyatt and Steven White Jr. - Bag end color2.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Bagend.jpg|x105px]]

===Logos===
[[File:Star of Earendil (vectorized).png|x105px]]
[[File:UserSemagol Windrose.png|x105px]]

== External Links ==
https://www.tolkienion.com/ 
https://legacy.tolkienion.com/ - maps collection 
https://map.tolkienion.com/ - navigable map 
 
https://www.ancientlocations.net/

[[User:Smeagol|Smeagol]]
18:47, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

User:Smeagol

2026-03-08T03:00:08Z

Smeagol: /* External Links */ links

{{user infobox
| image=UserSemagol Windrose.png
| name=Smeagol
| position=Editor
| language=English, German
| userboxheight=150px
| birth=1973}}

[[File:Tim Kirk - Riddle Game (cropped).jpg|thumb|right|x105px]]
=== Sméagol ===
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Tolkienion sindarin.gif|right]]
Sméagol is a fan of [[J.R.R. Tolkien|Tolkien]]'s books who lost his enthusiasm after conflicting with the Tolkien Estate over maps on the web...

== Maps ==
===My own maps===
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Early Arda.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - A vector map of Middle-earth 2.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Gondor TA1050.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Gondor TA3019.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Middle-earth map.gif|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Frodo's Journey.gif|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Fangorn Forest.gif|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Shire Perimeter.png|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr - Shire Info.gif|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Icebay of Forochel.png|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Belfalas.png|x105px]]
 
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Swj vector map 001.png|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Valinor.gif|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - First and Third.png|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Location of Numenor.png|x105px]]

===Contributions, Colorizations for other artists' maps===
[[File:J.R.R. Tolkien - Ambarkanta Map (colorized).gif|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - North-west of Middle-earth (First Age).png|x105px]]
[[File:Steven_White_Jr._-_Middle-earth_&_Numenor.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - A Map of Beleriand (re-edited).jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - A Map of Beleriand.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Numenor re-edited.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Ambarkanta Map V upscale.png|x105px]]
[[File:JRRTolkien Silmarillion cleanup.png|x105px]]
[[File:J.R.R. Tolkien - Thror's map.jpg|x105px]]

== Other Images ==
===Models===
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Bagend 15.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Bagend view 115.jpg|x105px]]

[[File:Steven White Jr. - Ann17.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Ann18.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Ann19.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - A2011-0009.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - A2011-0017.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Ann hall 89.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Ann hall 77c.jpg|160px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Ann hall 04c2.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Ann hall 04c2b.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Tu002.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Annuminas0005b.jpg|x105px]]

[[File:Steven White Jr. - Annu old 01.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Annu old 02.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Annu old 03.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Annu old 04.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Annu old 05.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Annu old 06.jpg|x105px]]

===AI===

[[File:Steven White Jr - Tavrobel AI.png|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr - Kortirion AI.png|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Smaug1a AI.png|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - The Little House of Lost Play.png|x105px]]

===Drawings===
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Smaug1a.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Guard at Barad-dur.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Gollum0003.jpg|x105px]]

===Colorization===
[[File:David Wyatt and Steven White Jr. - Bag end color2.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Bagend.jpg|x105px]]

===Logos===
[[File:Star of Earendil (vectorized).png|x105px]]
[[File:UserSemagol Windrose.png|x105px]]

== External Links ==
https://www.tolkienion.com/ 
https://legacy.tolkienion.com/ - maps collection 
https://map.tolkienion.com/ - navigable map 
 
https://www.ancientlocations.net/

[[User:Smeagol|Smeagol]]
18:47, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

User talk:Hyarion

2026-03-07T17:22:12Z

Smeagol: /* Personal contact */ Reply

User talk:Hyarion

2026-03-03T13:36:20Z

Smeagol: /* Personal contact */ addendum

User talk:Hyarion

2026-03-02T23:12:53Z

Smeagol: /* Personal contact */ Reply

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==Rewriting pages==

Hey, I noticed there are headings above some articles saying that the page needs to be rewritten. I’d love to try and help, but I’m not really sure what that means. Is it just fixing grammatical errors and helping the overall clarity and cohesion, or does that tag also mean that there are incorrect facts in the page or something like that? I rewrote the [[Bilbo's Farewell Party|page about Bilbo’s party]] and removed the rewrite tag, but then I realized that, since I haven’t done this before, I might have done something wrong. I’d appreciate it if you could take a look at my edit and let me know if that was what was needed! It would be great :) [[User:Thingol|Thingol]] ([[User talk:Thingol|talk]]) 21:39, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

==Talk:Fraud of the Rings==

Pls see a comment I left [[Talk:Fraud of the Rings|here]] for you. Reply function wasn't working. BTW, thanks for your thanks the other day, re [[Morgai]]). [[User:Bunt|Bunt]] ([[User talk:Bunt|talk]]) 08:43, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

==Spotify Plugin Appearance==

Hello sir! Is there anything we can do about the Spotify plugin's appearance? It's an awesome feature, but the white parts appearing against the regular background stick out like a sore thumb. See [[User:Theolaa/sandbox|my sandbox]] for some visual references. [[User:Theolaa|Theolaa]] ([[User talk:Theolaa|talk]]) 07:15, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

==Deletion notice==
I was hoping that you could delete the [[Hunter and Rider]] page so that I can move [[The Hunter (creature)]] page to [[Hunter and Rider]] so as to preserve the lengthy edit history of that page?[[User:Dour1234|Dour1234]] ([[User talk:Dour1234|talk]]) 19:26, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

:No problem! The article has been deleted. [[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] ([[User talk:Hyarion|talk]]) 00:08, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
::Thank you.[[User:Dour1234|Dour1234]] ([[User talk:Dour1234|talk]]) 01:55, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

==Hello there==
Don't know if you remember me - I left this site sometime ago - I'm the guy with YouTube channel. Thank you very much for your words on Mitth's page. And I appreciate your subscription. I've actually went on ahead and started the channel this year! I'm pretty pleased with my latest work even though I still feel there are parts that require improvement. I can't say it's a very successful channel - people who support me are kind of just some of the friends that are interested in Tolkien's legendarium (unfortunately there's not a great many of them), but regardless, I'm still working on it. I just like talking about Middle-earth, even if it's just a few people who listen to me. I grew up with PJ's films and began picking up Tolkien's books themselves (starting with ''The Hobbit'') when I was 6 :)) If you have any suggestions, either content-wise or to improve something, I'd welcome it. I've actually changed the channel (the older one you're subscribed to is the secondary one now) - it's [https://www.youtube.com/@thegreatwandererofarda The Great Wanderer of Middle-earth] now (though I may change the name). Hope I'm not being a bother. Thanks again! --[[User:LordoftheEarth|LordoftheEarth]] ([[User talk:LordoftheEarth|talk]]) 21:07, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

:Congratulations on starting the channel! You now have 16% more subscribers :) It takes a lot of dedication and perseverance to start a new YouTube channel so don't be deterred if it takes a while to grow. I'll definitely check out some videos this weekend. I wonder if the cover photo could be something with your logo on it for branding purposes. Feel free to use any content on TG to create your videos, there's a lot of people who prefer to watch/listen to lore rather than reading articles so I think you have the right idea. We wish you the best of luck! [[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] ([[User talk:Hyarion|talk]]) 21:32, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

==French interwiki links==

Hi! I just noticed that the general page link to the French wiki does not seem to be entirely correct anymore. It's still working, but I think that it should be https://www.tolkiendil.com/ now, without the "doku.php?id=".

For example, the current link to the main page is: https://www.tolkiendil.com/doku.php?id=encyclo 
However, when clicking on Index on the site itself, the adress for the main page appears as: https://www.tolkiendil.com/encyclo

-[[User:Adunoeth|Adunoeth]] ([[User talk:Adunoeth|talk]]) 01:52, 16 December 2024 (UTC) [[User:Adunoeth|Adunoeth]] ([[User talk:Adunoeth|talk]]) 01:52, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

:Thanks so much for your help! Great catch, and easy fix. I've updated the base URL for French interwiki links. You should now see the correct destination. :) [[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] ([[User talk:Hyarion|talk]]) 02:15, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
::You're welcome and thank you very much as well! -[[User:Adunoeth|Adunoeth]] ([[User talk:Adunoeth|talk]]) 02:21, 16 December 2024 (UTC) [[User:Adunoeth|Adunoeth]] ([[User talk:Adunoeth|talk]]) 02:21, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

==AI==

Hi Hyarion, I would like to ask you what policies exist on Tolkien Gateway about the usage of AI to edit/redo images. Could you point me to an elaboration? [[User:Smeagol|Smeagol]] ([[User talk:Smeagol|talk]]) 18:15, 2 November 2025 (UTC)

:Hi Smeagol! I hope all is going well over there. Thanks for reaching out, as AI can definitely be a controversial topic. Our current [[Help:Images#AI_art_policy]] forbids images that have been purely generated from an AI system. But like you mention, where do we draw the line when it comes to editing? Many basic Photoshop features can likely be considered AI, and isn't taking a picture on a cell phone using an algorithm/AI to process the image? Unfortunately I don't have a concrete answer.
:Maybe you can upload an example of what you have in mind and we can see if anyone has any concerns? I think the idea is more about protecting talented hard-working artists such as yourself, not restricting creative tools they can use to polish their work. [[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] ([[User talk:Hyarion|talk]]) 18:48, 2 November 2025 (UTC)
::Hi. I have created a rendering of Tavrobel based on a Tolkien sketch ([[:File:Steven White Jr - Tavrobel AI.png]]). It got marked for deletion.
::I illustrated the steps here:
::[[File:AI_Tavrobel_Sample.png|379x379px]]
::[[User:Smeagol|Smeagol]] ([[User talk:Smeagol|talk]]) 20:55, 2 November 2025 (UTC) [[User:Smeagol|Smeagol]] ([[User talk:Smeagol|talk]]) 20:55, 2 November 2025 (UTC)

==Test==

Edit notification test [[User:PLord|PLord]] ([[User talk:PLord|talk]]) 16:51, 1 February 2026 (UTC)

==Personal contact==

Hi Hyarion, maybe you remember me? I used to make maps.
How can I show you my latest mapping project before publishing it on my user page? I would like your opinion first. [[User:Smeagol|Smeagol]] ([[User talk:Smeagol|talk]]) 22:24, 2 March 2026 (UTC) [[User:Smeagol|Smeagol]] ([[User talk:Smeagol|talk]]) 22:24, 2 March 2026 (UTC)

:Of course! I'd love to check it out, my e-mail is hyarion at tolkiengateway.net [[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] ([[User talk:Hyarion|talk]]) 22:28, 2 March 2026 (UTC)
::Done [[User:Smeagol|Smeagol]] ([[User talk:Smeagol|talk]]) 23:12, 2 March 2026 (UTC) [[User:Smeagol|Smeagol]] ([[User talk:Smeagol|talk]]) 23:12, 2 March 2026 (UTC)

User talk:Hyarion

2026-03-02T22:24:27Z

Smeagol: /* Personal contact */ new section

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==Rewriting pages==

Hey, I noticed there are headings above some articles saying that the page needs to be rewritten. I’d love to try and help, but I’m not really sure what that means. Is it just fixing grammatical errors and helping the overall clarity and cohesion, or does that tag also mean that there are incorrect facts in the page or something like that? I rewrote the [[Bilbo's Farewell Party|page about Bilbo’s party]] and removed the rewrite tag, but then I realized that, since I haven’t done this before, I might have done something wrong. I’d appreciate it if you could take a look at my edit and let me know if that was what was needed! It would be great :) [[User:Thingol|Thingol]] ([[User talk:Thingol|talk]]) 21:39, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

==Talk:Fraud of the Rings==

Pls see a comment I left [[Talk:Fraud of the Rings|here]] for you. Reply function wasn't working. BTW, thanks for your thanks the other day, re [[Morgai]]). [[User:Bunt|Bunt]] ([[User talk:Bunt|talk]]) 08:43, 26 April 2024 (UTC)

==Spotify Plugin Appearance==

Hello sir! Is there anything we can do about the Spotify plugin's appearance? It's an awesome feature, but the white parts appearing against the regular background stick out like a sore thumb. See [[User:Theolaa/sandbox|my sandbox]] for some visual references. [[User:Theolaa|Theolaa]] ([[User talk:Theolaa|talk]]) 07:15, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

==Deletion notice==
I was hoping that you could delete the [[Hunter and Rider]] page so that I can move [[The Hunter (creature)]] page to [[Hunter and Rider]] so as to preserve the lengthy edit history of that page?[[User:Dour1234|Dour1234]] ([[User talk:Dour1234|talk]]) 19:26, 17 July 2024 (UTC)

:No problem! The article has been deleted. [[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] ([[User talk:Hyarion|talk]]) 00:08, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
::Thank you.[[User:Dour1234|Dour1234]] ([[User talk:Dour1234|talk]]) 01:55, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

==Hello there==
Don't know if you remember me - I left this site sometime ago - I'm the guy with YouTube channel. Thank you very much for your words on Mitth's page. And I appreciate your subscription. I've actually went on ahead and started the channel this year! I'm pretty pleased with my latest work even though I still feel there are parts that require improvement. I can't say it's a very successful channel - people who support me are kind of just some of the friends that are interested in Tolkien's legendarium (unfortunately there's not a great many of them), but regardless, I'm still working on it. I just like talking about Middle-earth, even if it's just a few people who listen to me. I grew up with PJ's films and began picking up Tolkien's books themselves (starting with ''The Hobbit'') when I was 6 :)) If you have any suggestions, either content-wise or to improve something, I'd welcome it. I've actually changed the channel (the older one you're subscribed to is the secondary one now) - it's [https://www.youtube.com/@thegreatwandererofarda The Great Wanderer of Middle-earth] now (though I may change the name). Hope I'm not being a bother. Thanks again! --[[User:LordoftheEarth|LordoftheEarth]] ([[User talk:LordoftheEarth|talk]]) 21:07, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

:Congratulations on starting the channel! You now have 16% more subscribers :) It takes a lot of dedication and perseverance to start a new YouTube channel so don't be deterred if it takes a while to grow. I'll definitely check out some videos this weekend. I wonder if the cover photo could be something with your logo on it for branding purposes. Feel free to use any content on TG to create your videos, there's a lot of people who prefer to watch/listen to lore rather than reading articles so I think you have the right idea. We wish you the best of luck! [[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] ([[User talk:Hyarion|talk]]) 21:32, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

==French interwiki links==

Hi! I just noticed that the general page link to the French wiki does not seem to be entirely correct anymore. It's still working, but I think that it should be https://www.tolkiendil.com/ now, without the "doku.php?id=".

For example, the current link to the main page is: https://www.tolkiendil.com/doku.php?id=encyclo 
However, when clicking on Index on the site itself, the adress for the main page appears as: https://www.tolkiendil.com/encyclo

-[[User:Adunoeth|Adunoeth]] ([[User talk:Adunoeth|talk]]) 01:52, 16 December 2024 (UTC) [[User:Adunoeth|Adunoeth]] ([[User talk:Adunoeth|talk]]) 01:52, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

:Thanks so much for your help! Great catch, and easy fix. I've updated the base URL for French interwiki links. You should now see the correct destination. :) [[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] ([[User talk:Hyarion|talk]]) 02:15, 16 December 2024 (UTC)
::You're welcome and thank you very much as well! -[[User:Adunoeth|Adunoeth]] ([[User talk:Adunoeth|talk]]) 02:21, 16 December 2024 (UTC) [[User:Adunoeth|Adunoeth]] ([[User talk:Adunoeth|talk]]) 02:21, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

==AI==

Hi Hyarion, I would like to ask you what policies exist on Tolkien Gateway about the usage of AI to edit/redo images. Could you point me to an elaboration? [[User:Smeagol|Smeagol]] ([[User talk:Smeagol|talk]]) 18:15, 2 November 2025 (UTC)

:Hi Smeagol! I hope all is going well over there. Thanks for reaching out, as AI can definitely be a controversial topic. Our current [[Help:Images#AI_art_policy]] forbids images that have been purely generated from an AI system. But like you mention, where do we draw the line when it comes to editing? Many basic Photoshop features can likely be considered AI, and isn't taking a picture on a cell phone using an algorithm/AI to process the image? Unfortunately I don't have a concrete answer.
:Maybe you can upload an example of what you have in mind and we can see if anyone has any concerns? I think the idea is more about protecting talented hard-working artists such as yourself, not restricting creative tools they can use to polish their work. [[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] ([[User talk:Hyarion|talk]]) 18:48, 2 November 2025 (UTC)
::Hi. I have created a rendering of Tavrobel based on a Tolkien sketch ([[:File:Steven White Jr - Tavrobel AI.png]]). It got marked for deletion.
::I illustrated the steps here:
::[[File:AI_Tavrobel_Sample.png|379x379px]]
::[[User:Smeagol|Smeagol]] ([[User talk:Smeagol|talk]]) 20:55, 2 November 2025 (UTC) [[User:Smeagol|Smeagol]] ([[User talk:Smeagol|talk]]) 20:55, 2 November 2025 (UTC)

== Test ==

Edit notification test [[User:PLord|PLord]] ([[User talk:PLord|talk]]) 16:51, 1 February 2026 (UTC)

== Personal contact ==

Hi Hyarion, maybe you remember me? I used to make maps.
How can I show you my latest mapping project before publishing it on my user page? I would like your opinion first. [[User:Smeagol|Smeagol]] ([[User talk:Smeagol|talk]]) 22:24, 2 March 2026 (UTC) [[User:Smeagol|Smeagol]] ([[User talk:Smeagol|talk]]) 22:24, 2 March 2026 (UTC)

File:Star of Earendil (vectorized).png

2026-01-27T11:15:38Z

Smeagol: category

== Summary ==
Emblem of Eärendil
== Licensing ==
{{GFDL}}

[[Category:Images of devices and symbols]]

File:Steven White Jr. - Location of Numenor.png

2026-01-23T00:06:15Z

Smeagol: Smeagol uploaded a new version of File:Steven White Jr. - Location of Numenor.png

== Summary ==
Position of Númenor between Aman/Valinor and Middle-earth

==Licensing==
{{GFDL-self|Smeagol}}
{{map}}
[[Category:Images by Steven White Jr.]]
[[Category:Maps of Middle-earth]]
[[Category:Maps of Númenor]]

File:Steven White Jr. - Location of Numenor.png

2026-01-22T23:59:37Z

Smeagol:

User:Smeagol

2026-01-22T23:58:11Z

Smeagol: /* My own maps */ Numenor location

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=== Sméagol ===
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Tolkienion sindarin.gif|right]]
Sméagol is a fan of [[J.R.R. Tolkien|Tolkien]]'s books who lost his enthusiasm after conflicting with the Tolkien Estate over maps on the web...

== Maps ==
===My own maps===
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Early Arda.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - A vector map of Middle-earth 2.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Gondor TA1050.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Gondor TA3019.jpg|x105px]]
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[[File:Steven White Jr. - Fangorn Forest.gif|x105px]]
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[[File:Steven White Jr - Shire Info.gif|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Icebay of Forochel.png|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Belfalas.png|x105px]]
 
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Swj vector map 001.png|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Valinor.gif|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - First and Third.png|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Location of Numenor.png|x105px]]

===Contributions, Colorizations for other artists' maps===
[[File:J.R.R. Tolkien - Ambarkanta Map (colorized).gif|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - North-west of Middle-earth (First Age).png|x105px]]
[[File:Steven_White_Jr._-_Middle-earth_&_Numenor.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - A Map of Beleriand (re-edited).jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - A Map of Beleriand.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Numenor re-edited.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Ambarkanta Map V upscale.png|x105px]]
[[File:JRRTolkien Silmarillion cleanup.png|x105px]]
[[File:J.R.R. Tolkien - Thror's map.jpg|x105px]]

== Other Images ==
===Models===
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Bagend 15.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Bagend view 115.jpg|x105px]]

[[File:Steven White Jr. - Ann17.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Ann18.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Ann19.jpg|x105px]]
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[[File:Steven White Jr. - Annu old 02.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Annu old 03.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Annu old 04.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Annu old 05.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Annu old 06.jpg|x105px]]

===AI===

[[File:Steven White Jr - Tavrobel AI.png|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr - Kortirion AI.png|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Smaug1a AI.png|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - The Little House of Lost Play.png|x105px]]

===Drawings===
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Smaug1a.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Guard at Barad-dur.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Gollum0003.jpg|x105px]]

===Colorization===
[[File:David Wyatt and Steven White Jr. - Bag end color2.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Bagend.jpg|x105px]]

===Logos===
[[File:Star of Earendil (vectorized).png|x105px]]
[[File:UserSemagol Windrose.png|x105px]]

== External Links ==
http://www.tolkienion.com/ (disabled for now, until I update my ancient PHP) 
http://www.mytolkien.com/ (disabled for now) 
http://www.ancientlocations.net/

[[User:Smeagol|Smeagol]]
18:47, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

File:Steven White Jr. - Location of Numenor.png

2026-01-22T23:56:11Z

Smeagol: Licensing

== Summary ==
Position of Númenor between Aman/Valinor and Middle-earth

==Licensing==
{{GFDL-self|Smeagol}}
{{map}}
[[Category:Images by Steven White Jr.]]
[[Category:Maps of Middle-earth]]

File:Steven White Jr. - Location of Numenor.png

2026-01-22T23:55:21Z

Smeagol: Position of Númenor between Aman/Valinor and Middle-earth

== Summary ==
Position of Númenor between Aman/Valinor and Middle-earth

Talk:Almaida

2025-12-28T15:15:36Z

Smeagol: /* Map? */ Reply

==The Etymology of Almaida==

It could just be a corruption of Quenya [[User:Charles Alexander Thomas|Charles Alexander Thomas]] ([[User talk:Charles Alexander Thomas|talk]]) 15:51, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

==Map?==

Is the "single sketch-map of Númenor" available somewhere? [[User:Smeagol|Smeagol]] ([[User talk:Smeagol|talk]]) 22:43, 22 December 2025 (UTC)

:I'm intrigued as to what you're referring to? [[User:IvarTheBoneless|IvarTheBoneless]] ([[User talk:IvarTheBoneless|talk]]) 09:34, 23 December 2025 (UTC)
::Well, the reference in the article, of course. [[User:Smeagol|Smeagol]] ([[User talk:Smeagol|talk]]) 12:22, 23 December 2025 (UTC)
:::Which one? [[User:IvarTheBoneless|IvarTheBoneless]] ([[User talk:IvarTheBoneless|talk]]) 13:16, 24 December 2025 (UTC)
::::There is only one reference to a "single sketch-map of Númenor". That is the one I want to know more about. [[User:Smeagol|Smeagol]] ([[User talk:Smeagol|talk]]) 14:54, 25 December 2025 (UTC)
:::::'''Specifics'''!? [[User:IvarTheBoneless|IvarTheBoneless]] ([[User talk:IvarTheBoneless|talk]]) 12:16, 26 December 2025 (UTC)
:::::That is, what on earth are you talking about? [[User:IvarTheBoneless|IvarTheBoneless]] ([[User talk:IvarTheBoneless|talk]]) 12:17, 26 December 2025 (UTC)
::::::Are you trolling me? There is a map referenced and I want to know where I can find it. What is your problem with that? [[User:Smeagol|Smeagol]] ([[User talk:Smeagol|talk]]) 18:32, 26 December 2025 (UTC)
:::::::In the section of the Introduction to ''[[Unfinished Tales of Númenor and Middle-earth]]'' that pertains to "[[A Description of the Island of Númenor]]", [[Christopher Tolkien]] wrote that he had "redrawn the map from a little rapid sketch" and that "the original shows another haven on the Bay of Andúnië, not far to the westward of Andúnië itself; the name is hard to read, but is almost certainly ''Almaida''".[[User:Dour1234|Dour1234]] ([[User talk:Dour1234|talk]]) 23:44, 26 December 2025 (UTC)
::::::::Hi. Is the "little rapid sketch" available somewhere? [[User:Smeagol|Smeagol]] ([[User talk:Smeagol|talk]]) 10:26, 27 December 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::Frankly, I am surprised by your question if the rapid sketch is available somewhere. There is a link on the Almaida page if you click on "sketch-map of Númenor" that links to the Númenórë (map) page. On that page it says that the sketch-map was only published in the book Tolkien: Maker of Middle-earth and that the sketch(-map) corresdonds to item no. 538 (in that book). --[[User:Akhorahil|Akhôrahil]] ([[User talk:Akhorahil|talk]]) 18:04, 27 December 2025 (UTC)
::::::::::The linked map is the one published with Unfinished Tales, but not the rough sketch mentioned in the article. There are numerous sketches of lands from the legendarium that have changed significantly until they were finally published. Cf. sketches such as [https://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/File:J.R.R._Tolkien_-_The_First_%27Silmarillion%27_Map.jpg First Silmarillion Map] or [https://thetolkienist.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/first-map-of-Lord-of-the-Rings_web.jpg First Map of Lord of the Rings] outside of publications. I am always on the hunt for such material. The textual reference in the article renders very little information.[[User:Smeagol|Smeagol]] ([[User talk:Smeagol|talk]]) 15:15, 28 December 2025 (UTC)
:::::::Thanks to Dour I understand what you were talking about. You could've done the same but instead you accused me of 'trolling' you, even though I've no idea (since you've not specified) what exact reference I should've been looking for. [[User:IvarTheBoneless|IvarTheBoneless]] ([[User talk:IvarTheBoneless|talk]]) 12:35, 27 December 2025 (UTC)
::::::::That is because you did not bother to read the article and see where the quoted reference is from. [[User:Smeagol|Smeagol]] ([[User talk:Smeagol|talk]]) 13:49, 28 December 2025 (UTC)

Talk:Almaida

2025-12-28T13:49:57Z

Smeagol: /* Map? */ Reply

==The Etymology of Almaida==

It could just be a corruption of Quenya [[User:Charles Alexander Thomas|Charles Alexander Thomas]] ([[User talk:Charles Alexander Thomas|talk]]) 15:51, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

==Map?==

Is the "single sketch-map of Númenor" available somewhere? [[User:Smeagol|Smeagol]] ([[User talk:Smeagol|talk]]) 22:43, 22 December 2025 (UTC)

:I'm intrigued as to what you're referring to? [[User:IvarTheBoneless|IvarTheBoneless]] ([[User talk:IvarTheBoneless|talk]]) 09:34, 23 December 2025 (UTC)
::Well, the reference in the article, of course. [[User:Smeagol|Smeagol]] ([[User talk:Smeagol|talk]]) 12:22, 23 December 2025 (UTC)
:::Which one? [[User:IvarTheBoneless|IvarTheBoneless]] ([[User talk:IvarTheBoneless|talk]]) 13:16, 24 December 2025 (UTC)
::::There is only one reference to a "single sketch-map of Númenor". That is the one I want to know more about. [[User:Smeagol|Smeagol]] ([[User talk:Smeagol|talk]]) 14:54, 25 December 2025 (UTC)
:::::'''Specifics'''!? [[User:IvarTheBoneless|IvarTheBoneless]] ([[User talk:IvarTheBoneless|talk]]) 12:16, 26 December 2025 (UTC)
:::::That is, what on earth are you talking about? [[User:IvarTheBoneless|IvarTheBoneless]] ([[User talk:IvarTheBoneless|talk]]) 12:17, 26 December 2025 (UTC)
::::::Are you trolling me? There is a map referenced and I want to know where I can find it. What is your problem with that? [[User:Smeagol|Smeagol]] ([[User talk:Smeagol|talk]]) 18:32, 26 December 2025 (UTC)
:::::::In the section of the Introduction to ''[[Unfinished Tales of Númenor and Middle-earth]]'' that pertains to "[[A Description of the Island of Númenor]]", [[Christopher Tolkien]] wrote that he had "redrawn the map from a little rapid sketch" and that "the original shows another haven on the Bay of Andúnië, not far to the westward of Andúnië itself; the name is hard to read, but is almost certainly ''Almaida''".[[User:Dour1234|Dour1234]] ([[User talk:Dour1234|talk]]) 23:44, 26 December 2025 (UTC)
::::::::Hi. Is the "little rapid sketch" available somewhere? [[User:Smeagol|Smeagol]] ([[User talk:Smeagol|talk]]) 10:26, 27 December 2025 (UTC)
:::::::::Frankly, I am surprised by your question if the rapid sketch is available somewhere. There is a link on the Almaida page if you click on "sketch-map of Númenor" that links to the Númenórë (map) page. On that page it says that the sketch-map was only published in the book Tolkien: Maker of Middle-earth and that the sketch(-map) corresdonds to item no. 538 (in that book). --[[User:Akhorahil|Akhôrahil]] ([[User talk:Akhorahil|talk]]) 18:04, 27 December 2025 (UTC)
:::::::Thanks to Dour I understand what you were talking about. You could've done the same but instead you accused me of 'trolling' you, even though I've no idea (since you've not specified) what exact reference I should've been looking for. [[User:IvarTheBoneless|IvarTheBoneless]] ([[User talk:IvarTheBoneless|talk]]) 12:35, 27 December 2025 (UTC)
::::::::That is because you did not bother to read the article and see where the quoted reference is from. [[User:Smeagol|Smeagol]] ([[User talk:Smeagol|talk]]) 13:49, 28 December 2025 (UTC)

Talk:Almaida

2025-12-27T10:26:48Z

Smeagol: /* Map? */ Reply

Talk:Almaida

2025-12-26T18:32:07Z

Smeagol: /* Map? */ reply

Talk:Almaida

2025-12-25T14:54:53Z

Smeagol: /* Map? */ reply

Talk:Almaida

2025-12-23T12:22:01Z

Smeagol: /* Map? */ Reply

Talk:Almaida

2025-12-22T22:43:37Z

Smeagol: /* Map? */ new section

File:AI Tavrobel Sample.png

2025-11-02T20:56:56Z

Smeagol: /* Licensing */ license

== Summary ==
Demonstrating AI steps.

Prompt for ChatGTP was:

"This is a stylized landscape. It has 3 tall, green poplar trees in the background on a hill. In the foreground is a bridge with three arches over a river that is flowing towards the observer. On both banks of the river is grass and shrubs. The scenery is under a blue sky with very few clouds. Please render a photorealistic image. Please preserve the features and their positions of the original image."
== Licensing ==

{{copyright-ai|ChatGPT|[[User:Smeagol|Smeagol]] }}

User talk:Hyarion

2025-11-02T20:55:54Z

Smeagol: /* AI */ Reply

File:AI Tavrobel Sample.png

2025-11-02T20:52:38Z

Smeagol: Demonstrating AI steps. Prompt for ChatGTP was: "This is a stylized landscape. It has 3 tall, green poplar trees in the background on a hill. In the foreground is a bridge with three arches over a river that is flowing towards the observer. On both banks of the river is grass and shrubs. The scenery is under a blue sky with very few clouds. Please render a photorealistic image. Please preserve the features and their positions of the original image."

== Summary ==
Demonstrating AI steps.

Prompt for ChatGTP was:

"This is a stylized landscape. It has 3 tall, green poplar trees in the background on a hill. In the foreground is a bridge with three arches over a river that is flowing towards the observer. On both banks of the river is grass and shrubs. The scenery is under a blue sky with very few clouds. Please render a photorealistic image. Please preserve the features and their positions of the original image."
== Licensing ==
{{Copyright-fairuse|INSERT COPYRIGHT HOLDER WITH WEBSITE LINK}}

User talk:Hyarion

2025-11-02T18:15:48Z

Smeagol: /* AI */ new section

The Little House of Lost Play: Mar Vanwa Tyaliéva

2025-10-31T10:09:18Z

Smeagol: /* Background */ Visualisation of Tolkien's poem

{{Poem infobox
| title=The Little House of Lost Play: Mar Vanwa Tyaliéva
| other names=''You and Me / and the Cottage of Lost Play'', ''Pæt húsincel ǽrran gamenes'', ''The Cottage of Lost Play: Mar Vanwa Tyaliéva'', ''The House of Lost Play; Mar Vanwa Tyaliéva'', ''Mar Vanwa Tyaliéva, The Cottage of Lost Play''
| written=[[27 April]] and [[28 April]] of [[1915]]
| revised=Late [[1961]] or early [[1962]]
| published=''[[The Book of Lost Tales Part One]]'', ''[[The Collected Poems of J.R.R. Tolkien]]''
| subject=[[Mar Vanwa Tyaliéva]]
}}

'''''The Little House of Lost Play: Mar Vanwa Tyaliéva''''' is the name of a poem written by [[J.R.R. Tolkien]] about the [[Cottage of Lost Play]].<ref name=cottage>{{LT1|In}}, pp. 27-32</ref>

==First stanza==
<poem style="font-style:italic; margin-left:20px;">
:We knew that land once, [[Edith Tolkien|You]] and [[J.R.R. Tolkien|I]],
::and once we wandered there
:in the long days now long gone by,
::a dark child and a fair.
:Was it on the paths of firelight thought
::in winter cold and white,
:or in the blue-spun twilit hours
:of little early tucked-up beds
::in drowsy summer night,
:that you and I in [[Olórë Mallë|Sleep]] went down
::to meet each other there,
:your dark hair on your white nightgown
::and mine was tangled fair?<ref name=cottage></ref>{{rp|30-31}}
</poem>

==Background==
[[File:Steven White Jr. - The Little House of Lost Play.png|thumb|x210px|Visualisation of the poem]]
On [[27 April]] and [[28 April]] of [[1915]], Tolkien wrote the first version of the poem in his undergraduate lodgings at the [[University of Oxford]]. It was originally named '''''You and Me / and the Cottage of Lost Play''''' with an alternative name, '''''Pæt húsincel ǽrran gamenes''''' or '''''Þæt Húsincel Ǽrran Ȝamenes'''''<ref name=collectedpoems>{{CP|28}}</ref>, meaning "The Small House of Former Play"<ref name=collectedpoems/> in [[Old English]].<ref name=cottage/>

On [[1 May]], Tolkien wrote a letter to [[Edith Tolkien|Edith Bratt]] that mentioned a previous version of the poem which did not survive "because it was too intimate for anyone but" her to read. Tolkien's statement in the letter implies that "the ‘You’ of the poem" is Edith.<ref name=collectedpoems/>

Tolkien eventually changed the name of the poem to '''''Mar Vanwa Tyaliéva, The Cottage of Lost Play''''' in a subsequent revision. Around late [[1961]] or early [[1962]],<ref name=collectedpoems/> Tolkien made a final revision of the poem, in which he changed the name to ''The Little House of Lost Play: Mar Vanwa Tyaliéva''.<ref name=cottage/>

The first and last of the several versions were published for the first time in ''[[The Book of Lost Tales Part One]]''.<ref name=cottage/>

While [[Christopher Tolkien]] stated that the idea about children travelling to a garden in [[Valinor]] in their sleep was abandoned,<ref name=cottage/> [[Wayne G. Hammond]] and [[Christina Scull]] pointed out in ''[[The J.R.R. Tolkien Companion and Guide]]'' that the idea within the poem is similar to "the garden of the [[Man-in-the-Moon]]" in the novella ''[[Roverandom]]'', which Tolkien began to write in [[1925]] and [[1927]]<ref name=collectedpoems/>.<ref name=guide>{{CG|2|2RGI}}, entry "''The Little House of Lost Play: Mar Vanwa Tyaliéva''"</ref>

==External links==
*{{webcite|author=[[Colin Rudd]]|articleurl=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrozNYjAAeM|articlename=colin rudd - cottage of lost play|dated=8 May 2007|website=YT|accessed=}}

{{references}}

{{poems}}

[[Category:Poems in The Book of Lost Tales]]

User:Smeagol

2025-10-31T10:07:33Z

Smeagol: /* AI */ The Little House of Lost Play

{{user infobox
| image=UserSemagol Windrose.png
| name=Smeagol
| position=Editor
| language=English, German
| userboxheight=150px
| birth=1973}}

[[File:Tim Kirk - Riddle Game (cropped).jpg|thumb|right|x105px]]
=== Sméagol ===
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Tolkienion sindarin.gif|right]]
Sméagol is a fan of [[J.R.R. Tolkien|Tolkien]]'s books who lost his enthusiasm after conflicting with the Tolkien Estate over maps on the web...

== Maps ==
===My own maps===
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Early Arda.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - A vector map of Middle-earth 2.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Gondor TA1050.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Gondor TA3019.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Middle-earth map.gif|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Frodo's Journey.gif|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Fangorn Forest.gif|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Shire Perimeter.png|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr - Shire Info.gif|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Icebay of Forochel.png|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Belfalas.png|x105px]]
 
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Swj vector map 001.png|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Valinor.gif|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - First and Third.png|x105px]]

===Contributions, Colorizations for other artists' maps===
[[File:J.R.R. Tolkien - Ambarkanta Map (colorized).gif|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - North-west of Middle-earth (First Age).png|x105px]]
[[File:Steven_White_Jr._-_Middle-earth_&_Numenor.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - A Map of Beleriand (re-edited).jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - A Map of Beleriand.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Numenor re-edited.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Ambarkanta Map V upscale.png|x105px]]
[[File:JRRTolkien Silmarillion cleanup.png|x105px]]
[[File:J.R.R. Tolkien - Thror's map.jpg|x105px]]

== Other Images ==
===Models===
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Bagend 15.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Bagend view 115.jpg|x105px]]

[[File:Steven White Jr. - Ann17.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Ann18.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Ann19.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - A2011-0009.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - A2011-0017.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Ann hall 89.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Ann hall 77c.jpg|160px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Ann hall 04c2.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Ann hall 04c2b.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Tu002.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Annuminas0005b.jpg|x105px]]

[[File:Steven White Jr. - Annu old 01.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Annu old 02.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Annu old 03.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Annu old 04.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Annu old 05.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Annu old 06.jpg|x105px]]

===AI===

[[File:Steven White Jr - Tavrobel AI.png|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr - Kortirion AI.png|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Smaug1a AI.png|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - The Little House of Lost Play.png|x105px]]

===Drawings===
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Smaug1a.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Guard at Barad-dur.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Gollum0003.jpg|x105px]]

===Colorization===
[[File:David Wyatt and Steven White Jr. - Bag end color2.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Bagend.jpg|x105px]]

===Logos===
[[File:Star of Earendil (vectorized).png|x105px]]
[[File:UserSemagol Windrose.png|x105px]]

== External Links ==
http://www.tolkienion.com/ (disabled for now, until I update my ancient PHP) 
http://www.mytolkien.com/ (disabled for now) 
http://www.ancientlocations.net/

[[User:Smeagol|Smeagol]]
18:47, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

File:Steven White Jr. - The Little House of Lost Play.png

2025-10-31T10:06:49Z

Smeagol: /* Licensing */ license

== Summary ==
Visualisation of Tolkien's poem

== Licensing ==

{{GFDL-self|Smeagol}}
{{copyright-ai|ChatGPT|[[User:Smeagol|Smeagol]] }}

File:Steven White Jr. - The Little House of Lost Play.png

2025-10-31T10:06:21Z

Smeagol: Visualisation of Tolkien's poem

== Summary ==
Visualisation of Tolkien's poem
== Licensing ==
{{GFDL-self|{{REVISIONUSER}}}}

User:Smeagol

2025-10-29T13:23:25Z

Smeagol: /* Drawings */

{{user infobox
| image=UserSemagol Windrose.png
| name=Smeagol
| position=Editor
| language=English, German
| userboxheight=150px
| birth=1973}}

[[File:Tim Kirk - Riddle Game (cropped).jpg|thumb|right|x105px]]
=== Sméagol ===
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Tolkienion sindarin.gif|right]]
Sméagol is a fan of [[J.R.R. Tolkien|Tolkien]]'s books who lost his enthusiasm after conflicting with the Tolkien Estate over maps on the web...

== Maps ==
===My own maps===
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Early Arda.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - A vector map of Middle-earth 2.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Gondor TA1050.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Gondor TA3019.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Middle-earth map.gif|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Frodo's Journey.gif|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Fangorn Forest.gif|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Shire Perimeter.png|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr - Shire Info.gif|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Icebay of Forochel.png|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Belfalas.png|x105px]]
 
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Swj vector map 001.png|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Valinor.gif|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - First and Third.png|x105px]]

===Contributions, Colorizations for other artists' maps===
[[File:J.R.R. Tolkien - Ambarkanta Map (colorized).gif|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - North-west of Middle-earth (First Age).png|x105px]]
[[File:Steven_White_Jr._-_Middle-earth_&_Numenor.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - A Map of Beleriand (re-edited).jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - A Map of Beleriand.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Numenor re-edited.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Ambarkanta Map V upscale.png|x105px]]
[[File:JRRTolkien Silmarillion cleanup.png|x105px]]
[[File:J.R.R. Tolkien - Thror's map.jpg|x105px]]

== Other Images ==
===Models===
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Bagend 15.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Bagend view 115.jpg|x105px]]

[[File:Steven White Jr. - Ann17.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Ann18.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Ann19.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - A2011-0009.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - A2011-0017.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Ann hall 89.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Ann hall 77c.jpg|160px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Ann hall 04c2.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Ann hall 04c2b.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Tu002.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Annuminas0005b.jpg|x105px]]

[[File:Steven White Jr. - Annu old 01.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Annu old 02.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Annu old 03.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Annu old 04.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Annu old 05.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Annu old 06.jpg|x105px]]

===AI===

[[File:Steven White Jr - Tavrobel AI.png|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr - Kortirion AI.png|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Smaug1a AI.png|x105px]]

===Drawings===
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Smaug1a.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Guard at Barad-dur.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Gollum0003.jpg|x105px]]

===Colorization===
[[File:David Wyatt and Steven White Jr. - Bag end color2.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Bagend.jpg|x105px]]

===Logos===
[[File:Star of Earendil (vectorized).png|x105px]]
[[File:UserSemagol Windrose.png|x105px]]

== External Links ==
http://www.tolkienion.com/ (disabled for now, until I update my ancient PHP) 
http://www.mytolkien.com/ (disabled for now) 
http://www.ancientlocations.net/

[[User:Smeagol|Smeagol]]
18:47, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

User:Smeagol

2025-10-29T13:22:56Z

Smeagol: adjust images heights

{{user infobox
| image=UserSemagol Windrose.png
| name=Smeagol
| position=Editor
| language=English, German
| userboxheight=150px
| birth=1973}}

[[File:Tim Kirk - Riddle Game (cropped).jpg|thumb|right|x105px]]
=== Sméagol ===
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Tolkienion sindarin.gif|right]]
Sméagol is a fan of [[J.R.R. Tolkien|Tolkien]]'s books who lost his enthusiasm after conflicting with the Tolkien Estate over maps on the web...

== Maps ==
===My own maps===
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Early Arda.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - A vector map of Middle-earth 2.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Gondor TA1050.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Gondor TA3019.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Middle-earth map.gif|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Frodo's Journey.gif|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Fangorn Forest.gif|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Shire Perimeter.png|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr - Shire Info.gif|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Icebay of Forochel.png|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Belfalas.png|x105px]]
 
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Swj vector map 001.png|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Valinor.gif|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - First and Third.png|x105px]]

===Contributions, Colorizations for other artists' maps===
[[File:J.R.R. Tolkien - Ambarkanta Map (colorized).gif|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - North-west of Middle-earth (First Age).png|x105px]]
[[File:Steven_White_Jr._-_Middle-earth_&_Numenor.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - A Map of Beleriand (re-edited).jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - A Map of Beleriand.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Numenor re-edited.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Ambarkanta Map V upscale.png|x105px]]
[[File:JRRTolkien Silmarillion cleanup.png|x105px]]
[[File:J.R.R. Tolkien - Thror's map.jpg|x105px]]

== Other Images ==
===Models===
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Bagend 15.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Bagend view 115.jpg|x105px]]

[[File:Steven White Jr. - Ann17.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Ann18.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Ann19.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - A2011-0009.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - A2011-0017.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Ann hall 89.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Ann hall 77c.jpg|160px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Ann hall 04c2.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Ann hall 04c2b.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Tu002.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Annuminas0005b.jpg|x105px]]

[[File:Steven White Jr. - Annu old 01.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Annu old 02.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Annu old 03.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Annu old 04.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Annu old 05.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Annu old 06.jpg|x105px]]

===AI===

[[File:Steven White Jr - Tavrobel AI.png|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr - Kortirion AI.png|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Smaug1a AI.png|x105px]]

===Drawings===
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Smaug1a.jpg|x105px]]

[[File:Steven White Jr. - Guard at Barad-dur.jpg|x105px]]

[[File:Steven White Jr. - Gollum0003.jpg|x105px]]

===Colorization===
[[File:David Wyatt and Steven White Jr. - Bag end color2.jpg|x105px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Bagend.jpg|x105px]]

===Logos===
[[File:Star of Earendil (vectorized).png|x105px]]
[[File:UserSemagol Windrose.png|x105px]]

== External Links ==
http://www.tolkienion.com/ (disabled for now, until I update my ancient PHP) 
http://www.mytolkien.com/ (disabled for now) 
http://www.ancientlocations.net/

[[User:Smeagol|Smeagol]]
18:47, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

File:J.R.R. Tolkien - The Misty Mountains.jpeg

2025-10-23T10:31:36Z

Smeagol: Smeagol uploaded a new version of File:J.R.R. Tolkien - The Misty Mountains.jpeg

== Summary ==
An undated painting of the mountain range that features so significantly in both ''[[The Hobbit]]'' and ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]''

==Licensing==
{{Fairuse-Tolkien}}

[[Category:Images by J.R.R. Tolkien]]
[[Category:Images of the Misty Mountains]]

User:Smeagol

2025-10-22T14:47:26Z

Smeagol: /* AI */

{{user infobox
| image=UserSemagol Windrose.png
| name=Smeagol
| position=Editor
| language=English, German
| userboxheight=150px
| birth=1973}}

[[File:Tim Kirk - Riddle Game (cropped).jpg|thumb|right|150px]]
=== Sméagol ===
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Tolkienion sindarin.gif|right]]
Sméagol is a fan of [[J.R.R. Tolkien|Tolkien]]'s books who lost his enthusiasm after conflicting with the Tolkien Estate over maps on the web...

== Maps ==
===My own maps===
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Early Arda.jpg|120px]] [[File:Steven White Jr. - A vector map of Middle-earth 2.jpg|120px]] [[File:Steven White Jr. - Gondor TA1050.jpg|120px]] [[File:Steven White Jr. - Gondor TA3019.jpg|120px]] [[File:Steven White Jr. - Middle-earth map.gif|120px]] [[File:Steven White Jr. - Frodo's Journey.gif|120px]] [[File:Steven White Jr. - Fangorn Forest.gif|120px]] [[File:Steven White Jr. - Shire Perimeter.png|120px]] [[File:Steven White Jr - Shire Info.gif|120px]] [[File:Steven White Jr. - Icebay of Forochel.png|120px]] [[File:Steven White Jr. - Belfalas.png|160px]] 
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Swj vector map 001.png|160px]] [[File:Steven White Jr. - Valinor.gif|106px]] [[File:Steven White Jr. - First and Third.png|160px]]

===Contributions, Colorizations for other artists' maps===
[[File:J.R.R. Tolkien - Ambarkanta Map (colorized).gif|80px]] [[File:Steven White Jr. - North-west of Middle-earth (First Age).png|120px]] [[File:Steven_White_Jr._-_Middle-earth_&_Numenor.jpg|80px]] [[File:Steven White Jr. - A Map of Beleriand (re-edited).jpg|120px]] [[File:Steven White Jr. - A Map of Beleriand.jpg|120px]] [[File:Steven White Jr. - Numenor re-edited.jpg|120px]] [[File:Ambarkanta Map V upscale.png|120px]] [[File:JRRTolkien Silmarillion cleanup.png|100px]] [[File:J.R.R. Tolkien - Thror's map.jpg|120px]]

== Other Images ==
===Models===
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Bagend 15.jpg|120px]] [[File:Steven White Jr. - Bagend view 115.jpg|120px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Ann17.jpg|120px]] [[File:Steven White Jr. - Ann18.jpg|120px]] [[File:Steven White Jr. - Ann19.jpg|120px]] [[File:Steven White Jr. - A2011-0009.jpg|120px]] [[File:Steven White Jr. - A2011-0017.jpg|120px]] [[File:Steven White Jr. - Ann hall 89.jpg|120px]] [[File:Steven White Jr. - Ann hall 77c.jpg|160px]] [[File:Steven White Jr. - Ann hall 04c2.jpg|120px]] [[File:Steven White Jr. - Ann hall 04c2b.jpg|120px]] [[File:Steven White Jr. - Tu002.jpg|120px]] [[File:Steven White Jr. - Annuminas0005b.jpg|120px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Annu old 01.jpg|120px]] [[File:Steven White Jr. - Annu old 02.jpg|120px]] [[File:Steven White Jr. - Annu old 03.jpg|120px]] [[File:Steven White Jr. - Annu old 04.jpg|120px]] [[File:Steven White Jr. - Annu old 05.jpg|120px]] [[File:Steven White Jr. - Annu old 06.jpg|120px]]

===AI===

[[File:Steven White Jr - Tavrobel AI.png|120px]] [[File:Steven White Jr - Kortirion AI.png|120px]] [[File:Steven White Jr. - Smaug1a AI.png|120px]]

===Drawings===
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Smaug1a.jpg|100px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Guard at Barad-dur.jpg|100px]]
[[File:Steven White Jr. - Gollum0003.jpg|100px]]

===Colorization===
[[File:David Wyatt and Steven White Jr. - Bag end color2.jpg|120px]] [[File:Steven White Jr. - Bagend.jpg|120px]]

===Logos===
[[File:Star of Earendil (vectorized).png|120px]] [[File:UserSemagol Windrose.png|120px]]

== External Links ==
http://www.tolkienion.com/ (disabled for now, until I update my ancient PHP) 
http://www.mytolkien.com/ (disabled for now) 
http://www.ancientlocations.net/

[[User:Smeagol|Smeagol]] 18:47, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

File:Steven White Jr. - Smaug1a AI.png

2025-10-22T14:46:42Z

Smeagol: /* Licensing */ license

== Summary ==
re-rendering of my sketch

{{GFDL-self|Smeagol}}
{{copyright-ai|ChatGPT|[[User:Smeagol|Smeagol]] }}
[[Category:Images of Smaug]]
[[Category:Images by Steven White Jr.]]

File:Steven White Jr. - Smaug1a AI.png

2025-10-22T14:44:55Z

Smeagol: re-rendering of my sketch

== Summary ==
re-rendering of my sketch