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<p>Zeallsh: removed upcoming from start</p> <hr /> <div>{{book<br /> | title=Tolkien's Faith<br><small>A Spiritual Biography</small><br /> | image=[[File:Tolkien's Faith.jpg|275px]]<br /> | author=[[Holly Ordway]]<br /> | editor=<br /> | illustrator=<br /> | publisher=Word on Fire Academic<br /> | date=[[2 September]] [[2023]]<br /> | format=<br /> | pages=400<br /> | isbn=978-1685789916<br /> }}<br /> '''''Tolkien's Faith: A Spiritual Biography''''' is a [[2023]] book by [[Holly Ordway]] and it centers on [[J.R.R. Tolkien]]'s [[Christianity|Christian faith]].<br /> <br /> The book includes a 40-page, full-color photo gallery to help illustrate this story of his spiritual life.<br /> <br /> ==From the publisher==<br /> {{blockquote|Tolkien described The Lord of the Rings as "a fundamentally religious and Catholic work" and declared, "I am a Christian (which can be deduced from my stories)." Yet he insisted his writings were not allegories, and Middle-earth is loved by millions who do not share his religious beliefs.<br /> <br /> How were his faith and his fiction related? Holly Ordway answers that question biographically, focusing on Tolkien’s spiritual development, a dramatic story that previous accounts of his life have left largely unexplored. <br /> <br /> Here we find that Tolkien’s faith was hard won. His Anglican upbringing was overturned when his mother converted to Catholicism. Soon afterward, she died, leaving Tolkien under the guardianship of a Catholic priest, who forbade him to see his Protestant girlfriend, whom nonetheless he eventually married. The Great War, in which most of his close friends were killed, deepened Tolkien’s reliance on his faith, but then for a decade he “almost ceased to practise” his religion. Friendship with C.S. Lewis and success with The Hobbit were followed by another war and by turmoil in the Church that sternly tested Tolkien’s commitments. <br /> <br /> The challenges and triumphs in his religious life are reflected in his masterpiece, The Lord of the Rings, that epic tale of endurance against the odds. As Ordway shows in her expertly researched and richly illustrated study, Tolkien’s faith and Tolkien’s fiction are intimately related, though in subtle and complex ways. This long-overdue spiritual biography gives new insight into his works by shedding fresh light on their author’s deepest-held convictions.}}<br /> <br /> ==External links==<br /> * [https://bookstore.wordonfire.org/products/tolkiens-faith Official product page]<br /> * [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWLV4RtxGyg&ab_channel=TeawithTolkien Interview with the author] by TeawithTolkien on YouTube<br /> {{title|italics}}<br /> [[Category:Publications by title]]<br /> [[Category:Religious books]]<br /> [[Category:Scholarly books]]<br /> [[Category:Upcoming books]]</div>

Zeallsh https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Anduin&diff=385045 Anduin 2024-01-24T01:41:04Z

<p>Zeallsh: Added reference</p> <hr /> <div>{{Sources}}{{Disambig-more|Great River|[[Great River (disambiguation)]]}}{{location infobox<br /> | name=Anduin<br /> | image=[[File:Gianna Michele Kaye - The Great River Anduin.jpg|250px]]<br /> | caption="The Great River Anduin" by [[:Category:Images by Gianna Michele Kaye|Gianna Michele Kaye]]<br /> | pronun=[[Sindarin|S]], {{IPA|[ˈanduɪn]}}<br /> | othernames=''Anduinë'' ([[Quenya|Q]])<br />Great River (of Wilderland), Langflood<ref>{{UT|Cirion}}, (ii) ''The Ride of Eorl''</ref><br /> | location=[[Middle-earth]], east of the [[Misty Mountains]] and the [[White Mountains]]<ref>[[Christopher Tolkien]], [[The West of Middle-earth at the End of the Third Age]]</ref><br /> | type=River<br /> | description=<br /> | regions=[[North Undeep|North]] and [[South Undeep]]s, [[Nen Hithoel]], [[Sarn Gebir]], [[Rauros]], [[Nindalf|Wetwang]]<br/>Islands: [[Carrock]], [[Tol Brandir]], [[Cair Andros]] <br /> | towns=<br /> | inhabitants=<br /> | created=<br /> | destroyed=<br /> | events=<br /> | gallery=the Anduin<br /> }}<br /> {{quote|And it came to pass after many years of journeying in this manner that the [[Eldar]] took their course through a forest, and they came to a '''great river''', wider than any they had yet seen; and beyond it were [[Misty Mountains|mountains]] whose sharp horns seemed to pierce the realm of the stars.|''[[Quenta Silmarillion]]'', "[[Of the Coming of the Elves and the Captivity of Melkor]]"}}<br /> '''Anduin''' was the river that crossed most of [[Middle-earth]] east of the [[Misty Mountains]]. Passing through many lands, it had received many names - '''Langflood''' by the ancestors of the [[Rohirrim]], the '''Great River of Wilderland''' in the [[Westron]] of [[Rivendell]] and [[the Shire]], and simply the '''Great River''' in [[Gondor]]. All these names are in recognition of the river's length.<br /> <br /> It flowed from its source in the [[Grey Mountains|Grey]] and [[Misty Mountains]] to the [[Ethir Anduin]] in the [[Belegaer|Great Sea (Belegaer)]]. The river had perhaps a total run of 1,388 miles<ref>Estimation by [[Karen Wynn Fonstad]] in ''[[The Atlas of Middle-earth|Atlas of Middle-earth]]''</ref> It was always the frontier of the west-lands of Middle-earth.<ref>{{S|3}}</ref><br /> <br /> ==Source==<br /> The Anduin began as two different streams near where the Misty Mountains met the Grey. These were called the [[Langwell]] and the [[Greylin]] by the [[Éothéod]] when they lived in the triangle of land formed by it. Their old capital [[Framsburg]] was built at the confluence of these streams where the Anduin proper began. The [[Langwell]] had its source in the Misty Mountains, close to [[Gundabad|Mount Gundabad]], and the [[Greylin]] began in the westernmost heights of the Grey Mountains.<br /> <br /> ==Course==<br /> [[File:Ted Nasmith - The Argonath.jpg|thumb|''The Argonath'' by [[Ted Nasmith]]]]<br /> The Anduin flowed parallel to the [[Misty Mountains]] in a [[Vales of Anduin|broad vale]] which formed the western part of [[Rhovanion]], lying between the mountains and [[Mirkwood]]. After passing [[Lothlórien]], the river and mountains parted company, and the river flowed through the [[Brown Lands]] via the [[North Undeep|North]] and [[South Undeep|South Undeeps]] until it flowed past the [[Emyn Muil]] and the [[Argonath]] and entered [[Nen Hithoel]] through [[Sarn Gebir]], a series of ferocious rapids. Thence it flowed over the Falls of [[Rauros]], and past the [[Mouths of Entwash]] and the marshes known as the [[Nindalf|Wetwang]]. It then passed between the [[White Mountains]] and the [[Ephel Dúath|Mountains of Shadow]] by the capital of [[Gondor]], [[Osgiliath]], before swinging past the harbour of [[Harlond in Gondor|Harlond]] close to the [[Rammas Echor]], south of [[Minas Tirith]]. It flowed through the port of [[Pelargir]], entering the Great Sea in the [[Bay of Belfalas]] in a broad delta known as the Mouths of Anduin.<br /> <br /> ===Tributaries===<br /> [[File:Mark Poole - Anduin.jpg|thumb|left|''Anduin River'' by Mark Poole]]<br /> In order from north to south: the [[Rhimdath]] (Rushdown), the [[Gladden River|Ninglor]] (Gladden) which joined at the marshes known as the [[Gladden Fields]], the [[Celebrant]] (Silverlode), the River [[Limlight]], the [[Entwash|Onodló]] (Entwash), the [[Morgulduin]], the [[Erui]], the [[Sirith]] and the [[Poros]]. The first five had their sources in the Misty Mountains, the Morgulduin and (presumably) the Poros in the Ephel Dúath on the border of [[Mordor]], and the rest in the White Mountains.<br /> <br /> ===Crossing points===<br /> The [[Old Forest Road]] which led from the [[High Pass]] into Mirkwood crossed the river at the [[Old Ford]], to the south of [[Beorn's Halls]]. There used to be a bridge, which was fortified when [[Elendil]] crossed the river to [[War of the Last Alliance|go to war]] with [[Sauron]], but it had been destroyed by the late [[Third Age]]. The only other bridge was in [[Osgiliath]], but during the late Third Age, this was broken by forces of [[Mordor]]. The [[Ford of Carrock]] is mentioned during the [[War of the Ring]].<br /> <br /> ===Islands===<br /> The principal islands appear to have been [[Cair Andros]], on the borders of [[Ithilien]] and [[Tol Brandir]] in Nen Hithoel. [[Carrock]], in the north was where the Eagles deposited [[Thorin and Company]]. There was also an eyot, where the [[Fellowship of the Ring|Fellowship]] rested during their travel between Lórien and [[Parth Galen]].<br /> <br /> ==Settlements==<br /> During the [[Great March|March of the Elves]] in the [[Years of the Trees|Time of the Trees]], the [[Nandor]] left the [[Eldar|Eldarin]] host when faced with the great heights of the Misty Mountains, and lived in the [[Vales of Anduin]]. Some of those people later left and became the Green-elves of [[Ossiriand]], but Elves remained present even until the time of the War the Ring, strengthed by refugees from [[Beleriand]] (at the end of the [[First Age]]) and [[Eregion]] (during the [[Second Age|Second]]).<br /> <br /> Settlements in the Vale of Anduin during the Third Age included the [[Éothéod]] city of [[Framsburg]], [[Rhosgobel]], [[Beorn]]'s Halls and the [[Stoors|Stoor]] settlements near the Gladden Fields. It was in the [[Gladden Fields]] in the northern reaches of Anduin that [[Isildur]] was slain in {{TA|2}} and [[the One Ring]] lost; and it was there, more than two millennia later, that [[Déagol]] found the Ring and [[Sméagol]] took it from him. <br /> <br /> Once it had entered Gondor the river flowed past Osgiliath and Minas Tirith and then Pelargir, close to the sea. After the fall of Osgiliath the river effectively marks the eastern limit of Gondor's influence.<br /> <br /> ==Etymology==<br /> {{Pronounce|Sindarin - Anduin.mp3|Gilgamesh}}<br /> ''Anduin'' is [[Sindarin]] for "Great River", literally "Long River", from ''[[and]]'' ("long") + ''[[duin]]'' ("large river").<ref>{{HM|RC}}, p. 765</ref><ref>{{VT|48a}}, p. 23</ref> Its [[Quenya]] cognate was '''''Anduinë'''''.<ref>{{PE|Eldarin}}, p. 40</ref><br /> <br /> {{references}}<br /> {{FellowshipRoute}}<br /> ==External links==<br /> *[https://www.tor.com/2017/10/10/tolkiens-map-and-the-perplexing-river-systems-of-middle-earth/ Tolkien’s Map and the Perplexing River Systems of Middle-earth] by Alex Acks<br /> [[Category:Pronounced articles]]<br /> [[Category:Noldorin locations]]<br /> [[Category:Rivers]]<br /> [[Category:Sindarin locations]]<br /> <br /> [[de:Anduin]]<br /> [[fi:Anduin]]<br /> [[fr:encyclo:geographie:eaux:rhovanion:anduin]]</div>

Zeallsh https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Harad&diff=385031 Harad 2024-01-23T06:25:22Z

<p>Zeallsh: Added link for near harad</p> <hr /> <div>{{location infobox<br /> | name=Harad<br /> | image=[[File:Christopher_Tolkien_-_Map_of_Harad.jpg|250px]]<br /> | caption=Map of Harad drawn by [[Christopher Tolkien]]<br /> | pronun={{respell|ha|rad|}} ([[Sindarin|S]])<br /> | othernames=''Haradwaith'' ([[Sindarin|S]]), ''[[Hyarmen]]'' ([[Quenya|Q]]), ''[[Sunlands]]'' ([[Hobbitish|H]]), ''Sutherland'' ([[Westron|W]]), South (W), Southlands (W)<br /> | location=Southern lands of [[Middle-earth]], south of [[Harondor]] and [[Mordor]]<br /> | type=Region<br /> | description=A vast hot area, filled with deserts and dark forests<br /> | regions=[[Near Harad]] and [[Far Harad]]<br /> | towns=[[Umbar]]<br>At least one inland city<br /> | inhabitants=[[Haradrim]], [[Istari]], [[Númenóreans]]<br /> | created=Between the [[Days before days]] and the [[Years of the Trees]]<br /> | destroyed=<br /> | events=Destruction of [[Ormal]]<br/>[[Ar-Pharazôn]] captures [[Sauron]]<br/>[[Corsair Wars]]<br/>[[Surprise Attack on Umbar]]<br /> }}<br /> <br /> '''Harad''', also known as the '''South''', refers to the little-known lands in southern [[Middle-earth]]. The great region is located south of [[Harondor]] and [[Mordor]]. Very little is known of the [[Dark Land|southern lands]] beyond the great [[Sea of Ringil]].<br /> <br /> ==History==<br /> ===Before the First Age===<br /> [[File:Ted Nasmith - The Lamp of the Valar.jpg|thumb|left|"Ormal, The Lamp of the Valar" by [[Ted Nasmith]]]]In the [[Days before days|primordial times]] of [[Arda]], the southern land of Middle-earth was illuminated by one of the [[Two Lamps|two mighty lamps]], named [[Ormal]], atop a mighty pillar. Ormal was made by [[Aulë]], filled by [[Varda]] and hallowed by [[Manwë]] in the south of the world while the [[Valar]] still dwelt on [[Almaren]]. Both lamps were eventually destroyed by an assault by [[Morgoth|Melkor]],<ref name="Rend">{{S|Days}}</ref> and the destruction of Ormal created the southern Sea of Ringil.<ref>{{SM|5b}}</ref><ref>{{SM|5e}}</ref><br /> <br /> During the period in which Melkor bred monsters of diverse shapes and kinds that troubled [[Endor]], his realm spread from [[Utumno]] over the southern lands of Middle-earth.<ref>{{S|3}}, p. 54</ref><br /> <br /> ===First Age===<br /> Some of the first [[Men]] leaving [[Rhûn]], after the [[Awakening of Men|awakening]] in [[Hildórien]], eventually settled in Harad and became the ancestors of the [[Haradrim]].<ref>{{PM|Dwarves}}, p. 306</ref><ref>{{S|12}}</ref> Historians of [[Gondor]] believed that the [[Drúedain]] came from lands south of [[Mordor]], that they turned north into [[Ithilien]] before they reached the coasts of Harad and were the first Men to cross the [[Anduin]].<ref>{{UT|12b}}, pp. 339-40</ref><br /> <br /> The coast south of Harad extended much farther west before the ruin of Beleriand.<ref>{{NM|P1vii}}, entry VY 1130/95, p. 52</ref><br /> <br /> ===Second Age===<br /> When the Men of [[Númenor]] began sailing east they explored the coasts of [[Middle-earth]], including the coast lands of Harad. The Númenóreans initially benefited the people in the lands they explored by teaching them many things about agriculture and craftsmanship.<ref name="Akallabeth">{{S|Akallabeth}}</ref><ref>{{App|Numenor}}, entry for the time after Minastir</ref> The Númenóreans later made settlements on the southern coasts, including the Havens of [[Umbar]].<br /> <br /> In the 9th century of the Second Age, the great mariner [[Tar-Aldarion|Aldarion]] sailed to the haven of [[Lond Daer|Vinyalondë]] and then sailed along the coasts southwards, far beyond any place yet reached by the Númenóreans. On his return northwards he barely escaped being shipwrecked in the Harad.<ref>{{UT|Wife}}</ref> <br /> <br /> After the reign of [[Tar-Ciryatan]], the Númenóreans began to set themselves up as lords in Middle-earth as they demanded tribute of goods and wealth, causing the oppression of the Haradrim. The Númenóreans expanded their control over Harad and Sauron did not at first dare to challenge them. But after the forging of the [[Rings of Power]] and the emergence of the [[Nazgûl]], Sauron began to attack the Númenórean settlements on the coast.<ref name="Akallabeth"/><br /> <br /> After the forging of the Rings of Power almost all men east and south of the [[Ered Luin]] were under [[Sauron|Sauron's]] rule. Sauron was both their king and their god. These men grew strong and built many towns and walls made from stone and they were fierce in war and armed with iron.<ref name="Rings">{{S|Rings}}</ref><br /> <br /> Umbar was fortified in {{SA|2280|n}}.<ref name="SA">{{App|SA}}</ref><br /> <br /> [[Ar-Pharazôn]], the king of Númenor, landed at [[Umbar]] in {{SA|3261|n}}<ref name="SA"/> with a great fleet and the people on the coasts fled before them. Ar-Pharazôn and his host marched through Harad to meet Sauron's forces, but they fled from the Númenóreans and Sauron allowed himself to be taken to Númenor where he corrupted the King and his followers. Under Sauron's influence, the Númenóreans became even more ruthless to the locals of Harad, enslaving them and using them for sacrifices.<ref name="Akallabeth"/><br /> <br /> During the stay of Sauron in Númenor many of the Númenóreans who sailed east from Númenor and made fortresses and dwellings upon the coasts of the southlands in Middle-earth were already bent to his will.<ref name="Rings"/><br /> <br /> The Númenóreans who lived in Harad survived the [[Downfall of Númenor|drowning]] of Númenor in {{SA|3319|n}}. They were later called [[Black Númenóreans]] in Gondor<ref>{{App|Gondor}}, entry for King Eärnil I, footnote 1</ref><ref>{{RK|Gate}}</ref>, because they still served Sauron in Middle-earth after the drowning of Númenor. They fought with Sauron during the [[War of the Last Alliance]] against the Alliance of Elves and Men. Two of those númenórean lords, [[Herumor]] and [[Fuinur]] rose to power among the Haradrim.<ref name="Rings"/><br /> <br /> ===Third Age and later history===<br /> [[File:Lída Holubová - Harad.jpg|thumb|''Harad'' by [[Lída Holubová]]]]<br /> The settlements of the Númenóreans beyond Umbar had been absorbed or had become hostile to Gondor and parts of Sauron's dominions because they were made by men that were already corrupted by Sauron in Númenor.<ref>{{UT|Istari}}</ref><br /> <br /> King [[Eärnil I]] of Gondor laid siege by sea and land to Umbar and in {{TA|933|n}}<ref name="APTA">{{App|TA}}</ref>conquered Umbar, which became a great fortress of Gondor. Three years later in {{TA|936|n}}<ref name="APTA"/> Eärnil I was lost with many ships and men in a storm near Umbar.<ref>{{App|Gondor}}, entry for King Eärnil I</ref><br /> <br /> The Men of the Harad, led by the lords that had been driven from Umbar, came with great power against Umbar and laid siege to it. King [[Ciryandil]] fell in the siege of Umbar in {{TA|1015|n}}.<ref>{{App|Gondor}}, entry for King Ciryandil</ref><ref name="APTA"/><br /> <br /> Umbar was under a siege for many years, but could not be taken because of the sea-power of Gondor. King [[Ciryaher]] of Gondor came from the north by sea and by land and crossed the river Harnen. His armies defeated the Men of the Harad and the kings of Harad were forced to acknowledge the overlordship of Gondor in {{TA|1050|n}}.<ref>{{App|Gondor}}, entry for King Ciryaher</ref><ref name="APTA"/><br /> <br /> After the [[Kin-strife]], [[Castamir]]'s sons with others of their kin and with many people of the fleets sailed away from [[Pelargir]] and seized Umbar in {{TA|1448|n}}<ref name="APTA"/>. They made a refuge for all enemies of King [[Eldacar]] and a Lordship independent of Gondor at Umbar. Umbar remained at war with Gondor for many lives of men and was a thread to the coastlands of Gondor and to all traffic on the sea. After Gondor lost Umbar to the rebels, Gondor's control over the Men of the Harad was loosened.<ref>{{App|Gondor}}, entry for King Eldacar</ref><br /> <br /> King [[Telumehtar Umbardacil|Telumehtar]] of Gondor conquered Umbar in {{TA|1810|n}}. During that war the last descendants of Castamir perished and Umbar was again held for a while by the kings of Gondor.<ref>{{App|Gondor}}, entry for King Telumehtar</ref><ref name="APTA"/><br /> <br /> After the [[War of the Ring]] the newly crowned king of the [[Reunited Kingdom]], [[Aragorn|Elessar]], made peace with the Men of Harad<ref>{{RK|VI5}}</ref> and completely subdued Umbar.<ref>{{App|Gondor}}, entry for King Elessar</ref><ref name="Éomer">{{App|Mark}}, Third Line, entry for King Éomer</ref><br /> <br /> == Geography ==<br /> Harad was located south of Mordor, with the [[Ephel Dúath|Mountains of Shadow]] forming part of the northern border of Harad. The River Harnen flowed westward from the Mountains of Shadow to the [[Bay of Belfalas]] and was Harad's border with South Gondor - a deserted region contested between [[Gondor]] and Harad. The Harad Road ran from Harad northward through South Gondor and on to [[Ithilien]].<br /> <br /> To the north-east of Harad was [[Khand]], a land that also had ties with Sauron. It is not known how far eastward or southward Harad stretched. On the west, Harad was bounded by the Bay of [[Belfalas]] and the [[Belegaer|Sea]].<br /> <br /> The northernmost part of Harad was called [[Near Harad]] and the southern part was [[Far Harad]]. On the coast there was a natural harbour with a narrow cape curving around it. The coastal region around the harbour was known as Umbar, and the harbour was called the Havens of Umbar. The seafaring raiders known as the [[Corsairs of Umbar|Corsairs]] lived there. At the eastern end of the harbour was the City of the Corsairs.<ref>{{FR|Map}}</ref> Somewhere in Harad was the inland city that [[Berúthiel]] came from.<ref name=Interview>{{webcite|author=[[Daphne Castell]]|articleurl=https://fantasticmetropolis.com/i/tolkien|articlename=The Realms of Tolkien|dated=|website=[https://fantasticmetropolis.com/i/tolkien ''The Realms of Tolkien'']|accessed=15 January 2021}}.</ref><br /> <br /> There were fortresses and dwellings upon the coasts in the south.<ref name="Rings"/> There were also fields<ref Name="Éomer"/> and "dark forests" with [[apes]] in the south.<ref>{{TT|Deep}}</ref> In Harad lived also [[camels]] and the gigantic [[Oliphaunts]],<ref>''[[A Map of Middle-earth]]''</ref><ref name="Gate">{{TT|IV3}}</ref> which were used by the Haradrim as moving war towers.<br /> <br /> Harad was called the "[[Sunlands]]" by the [[Hobbits]] of [[the Shire]],<ref Name="Gate"/> suggesting the climate was warmer and sunnier. Even the constellations in Harad's night sky down in the southern hemisphere<ref>{{UT|Istari}}, note 10</ref> were different from those in northern Middle-earth ([[Aragorn]] had travelled far into Harad "where the stars are strange".<ref name="Council">{{FR|II2}}</ref><br /> <br /> ==Inhabitants==<br /> [[Image:Jan Pospisil - Haradrim Camp.jpg|thumb|200px|right|''Haradrim Camp'' by [[Jan Pospíšil]]]]<br /> {{main|Haradrim}}<br /> The Men of Harad were also known as the ''Haradrim'' to the peoples of north-western Middle-earth. There were many tribes of the Haradrim often mutually hostile. The men of [[Near Harad]] were brown-skinned, with black hair and dark eyes,<ref name="Gate"/> while the men of [[Far Harad]] were described as black-skinned with white eyes and red tongues like "[[Half-trolls|half-trolls]]".<ref>{{RK|Battle}}</ref><br /> <br /> == Etymology ==<br /> ''Harad'' means "South" in [[Sindarin]].<ref>{{App|E1i}}</ref> The word is derived from [[Sundocarme|root]] [[KHYAR]], and is cognate to [[Quenya]] ''[[hyarmen]]'' ("south").<ref>{{LR|Etymologies}}, entry "KHYAR"</ref> It is also called [[Haradwaith]] which includes ''[[gwaith]]'' ("people"). An early name of Harad was ''(Sun)Harrowland'', which is derived from the [[Old English]] name of the Aethiopans, ''Sigerhearwan'', and therefore meaning "Aethiopia" (See also: ''[[Sigelwara Land]]'').<ref name="Fangorn">{{TI|Fangorn}}, note 4</ref> The [[Men]] of Harad were called [[Haradrim]] ("Southern-host").<ref name="Council"/><br /> <br /> ==Other versions of the legendarium==<br /> Early variant names for Harad were ''Harwan'', ''Sunharrowland'' and ''Harrowland''.<ref>{{TI|Fangorn}}, p. 435</ref> In early drafts of ''[[The Return of the King]]'', the portion of Harad directly south of Mordor was named the [[Desert of Lostladen]], Lothlann, or Lothland.<ref>{{WR|3|XIV}}, pp. 413, 426 (note 35), 435, 439 (note 4)</ref> In an early sketch of the chapter "[[The Last Debate]]", the region was called the Lothland desert,<ref>{{WR|3|XIV}}, p. 426</ref> to which [[Christopher Tolkien]] noted that the name ''Lostladen'' is likely related to the names ''[[Lothlann]]''/''Lothland'' found in the [[The Etymologies|''Etymologies'']].<ref>{{LR|Etymologies}}, pp. 367, 370</ref><br /> <br /> In the earliest narrative of the legendarium in ''[[The Book of Lost Tales]]'', Tolkien mentioned some obscure descriptions of the lands of the South: [[Melko]] raised the great tower [[Helkar]] to house the southern of the [[Two Lamps]] fashioned by [[Aulë]] to illuminate Middle-earth.<ref>{{LT1|III}}, pp. 69-70</ref> In the original text, [[Palisor]], where the [[Elves]] woke, is placed in the south of the world.<ref>{{LT2|In}}, p. 49</ref> <br /> <br /> Tolkien mentioned the movement of Men, after the [[Palisor|War of Palisor]], leading to the darkening of their skin.<ref name="Palisor">{{LT1|X}}, p. 336</ref> Additionally, it was revealed that [[Manwë]] was unaware of where the beginning of Men should be, whether the north, south or east.<ref>{{LT1|IX}}, p. 317</ref> After the death of [[Nuin]] at the bands of the Goblins through the treachery of Men, many kindreds of Men were driven to the southern forests.<ref name=Palisor/> [[Lindo]] spoke of the "untrodden wilds" of the South.<ref>{{LT1|X}}, pp. 34.</ref> The southern lands, where the Sun burnt hot, had mighty tawny [[cats]].<ref>{{LT2|In}}, p. 47</ref> The southern lands also had a blue sky, whose color was surpassed by the eyes of [[Eärendel]].<ref>{{LT2|III}}, p. 165</ref> <br /> <br /> Eärendel also travelled to the south. After the building of [[Wingilot]], Eärendel searches for [[Elwing]] and is blown far to the South where he encounters [[Wirilómë]] before escaping eastward.<ref>{{LT2|V}}, pp. 260</ref> In his voyage wih [[Voronwe]] on Wingilot to the south dark regions and fire mountains are mentioned.<ref>{{LT2|V}}</ref><ref group=note>The habited land in question featuring "Dark regions, Fire mountains, Tree-men, Pygmies, and Sarqindi or cannibal-ogres" is probably to the south of Haradwaith rather than the [[Dark Lands]], due to another note mentioning some southern Isles beyond that region, and these can only be the hills that became islands mentioning in ''[[The Chaining of Melko]]'', which must have been a product of the tumults that lead to the formation of the [[Inner Seas]], when the [[Belegaer]] and [[Eastern Sea]] flowed into the [[Sea of Ringil]]. And as we know, it was South of the Inner Seas that the South Lands were located. Ergo, Eärendil simply visited areas that would later be part of the [[Black Númenórean]] southern realms, beyond the realm of [[Umbar]]. J.R.R. Tolkien mentioned that Africa lies south of Harad in an interview and also wrote that the coast south of Haradwaith extended much farther west before the ruin of Beleriand.</ref> Additionally, In 1930, Tolkien wrote how Eärendil fought and slew [[Ungoliant]] in the South, which resulted in light coming to many places which had yet long been hid.<ref>{{SM|Quenta}}</ref><br /> <br /> ==Inspiration==<br /> In an interview from 1967, when asked what lay south of Harad, Tolkien replied "And south of Harad is Africa, the hot countries."<ref>{{webcite|author=Henry Resnick|articleurl=https://efanzines.com/Niekas/Niekas-18.pdf|articlename=An Interview with Tolkien|dated=2 March 1966|website=Niekas Volume 18 (archived on eFanzines.com)|accessed=7 October 2021}}, p. 41</ref> Given the descriptions of the inhabitants of Middle-earth's southern lands,<ref name="Gate">{{TT|IV3}}</ref> the early etymologies of their name,<ref name="Fangorn"/> and the overall shape of the southern lands as shown in the [[Ambarkanta maps]],<ref>{{SM|Ambar}}, pp. 250-1</ref> it is likely that Harad may have been based on the lands of [[Wikipedia:North Africa|northern]] and [[Wikipedia:Northeast Africa|northeastern Africa]] and perhaps the [[Wikipedia:Middle East|Middle East]] in our world. In addition, apart from the peninsula and firth of Umbar, the shape of the coastline of Harad south of the mouth of the river Harnen on the [[General Map of Middle-earth]] is similar to the shape of the coastline of the northwestern coast of Africa south of the city of [[Wikipedia:Tangier|Tangier]].<br /> <br /> {{references|note}}<br /> [[Category:Regions]]<br /> [[Category:Sindarin locations]]<br /> [[Category:Sindarin nouns]]<br /> [[Category:Southern lands]]<br /> [[de:Harad]]<br /> [[fi:Harad]]<br /> [[fr:encyclo/geographie/regions/harad]]</div>

Zeallsh https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=User:Zeallsh&diff=376209 User:Zeallsh 2023-07-01T21:17:17Z

<p>Zeallsh: Created page with "Hello, I'm Zeallsh. I am a huge fan of Tolkien, and I was excited when I found out that there was a huge wiki on him. I have been using this website for a bit now and I have made a couple edits. I also made a forum post and I helped make the Marshes in the south."</p> <hr /> <div>Hello, I'm Zeallsh. I am a huge fan of Tolkien, and I was excited when I found out that there was a huge wiki on him. I have been using this website for a bit now and I have made a couple edits. I also made a [[Forums:South Marshes|forum post]] and I helped make the [[Marshes in the south]].</div>

Zeallsh https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Marshes_in_the_south&diff=368854 Marshes in the south 2023-02-17T05:54:09Z

<p>Zeallsh: </p> <hr /> <div>{{Unnamed}}<br /> {{location infobox<br /> | name=Marshes in the south<br /> | image=<br /> | caption=<br /> | pronun=<br /> | othernames=<br /> | location=[[Southfarthing|Southern border]] of the [[Shire]], [[Eriador]]<br /> | type=Wetlands<br /> | description=<br /> | regions=<br /> | towns=<br /> | inhabitants=Possibly [[Hobbits]]<br /> | created=before {{TA|1601}}<ref name="FRHobbits">{{FR|Hobbits}}</ref><br /> | destroyed=<br /> | events=<br /> | gallery=<br /> }}<br /> <br /> The '''marshes in the south''' lay along the southern border of the [[Shire]] in the [[Southfarthing]].<ref name="FRHobbits">{{FR|Hobbits}}</ref> It is possible that the marshes in the south were the [[Overbourn Marshes]].<ref>{{HM|AME}}, pp. 70</ref><br /> <br /> == Geography ==<br /> The marshes in the south were likely on or near the [[Baranduin|River Brandywine]]. It is unknown if the marshes in the south consisted of multiple marshes or one singular marsh. Regardless, however, they were roughly fifty leagues (150 [[Númenóreans|Númenórean]] miles) south of the [[North Moors|northern moors]].<ref name="FRHobbits">{{FR|Hobbits}}</ref><br /> <br /> == History ==<br /> In the year {{TA|1601}} the [[Hobbits]] set out to cross the Brandywine River led by the brothers [[Marcho]] and [[Blanco]] to live in their new home of the shire. The hobbits had previously agreed with King [[Argeleb II]] on the borders of the shire, with the southern border being the marshes in the south.<ref name="FRHobbits">{{FR|Hobbits}}</ref><br /> <br /> == See also ==<br /> * [[North Moors]]<br /> <br /> {{References}}<br /> <br /> [[Category:Eriador]]<br /> [[Category:Regions of the Shire]]<br /> [[Category:Swamps]]</div>

Zeallsh https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Marshes_in_the_south&diff=368853 Marshes in the south 2023-02-17T05:52:40Z

<p>Zeallsh: </p> <hr /> <div>{{Unnamed}}<br /> {{location infobox<br /> | name=Marshes in the south<br /> | image=<br /> | caption=<br /> | pronun=<br /> | othernames=<br /> | location=[[Southfarthing|Southern border]] of the [[Shire]], [[Eriador]]<br /> | type=Wetlands<br /> | description=<br /> | regions=<br /> | towns=<br /> | inhabitants=Possibly [[Hobbits]]<br /> | created=before {{TA|1601}}<ref name="FRHobbits">{{FR|Hobbits}}</ref><br /> | destroyed=<br /> | events=<br /> | gallery=<br /> }}<br /> <br /> The '''marshes in the south''' lay along the southern border of the [[Shire]] in the [[Southfarthing]].<ref name="FRHobbits">{{FR|Hobbits}}</ref> It is possible that the Marshes in the south were the [[Overbourn Marshes]].<ref>{{HM|AME}}, pp. 70</ref><br /> <br /> == Geography ==<br /> The marshes in the south were likely on or near the [[Baranduin|River Brandywine]]. It is unknown if the marshes in the south consisted of multiple marshes or one singular marsh. Regardless, however, they were roughly fifty leagues (150 [[Númenóreans|Númenórean]] miles) south of the [[North Moors|northern moors]].<ref name="FRHobbits">{{FR|Hobbits}}</ref><br /> <br /> == History ==<br /> In the year {{TA|1601}} the [[Hobbits]] set out to cross the Brandywine River led by the brothers [[Marcho]] and [[Blanco]] to live in their new home of the shire. The hobbits had previously agreed with King [[Argeleb II]] on the borders of the shire, with the southern border being the marshes in the south.<ref name="FRHobbits">{{FR|Hobbits}}</ref><br /> <br /> == See also ==<br /> * [[North Moors]]<br /> <br /> {{References}}<br /> <br /> [[Category:Eriador]]<br /> [[Category:Regions of the Shire]]<br /> [[Category:Swamps]]</div>

Zeallsh https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Tolkien_Gateway:Sandbox&diff=368850 Tolkien Gateway:Sandbox 2023-02-17T05:46:38Z

<p>Zeallsh: </p> <hr /> <div>:''See also: '''[[Help: Editing]]'''''<br /> This is the '''Tolkien Gateway Sandbox''', for experimental edits and templates to practice using [[wikipedia:Wiki markup|wikitext]]. Please edit this page as much as you want instead of "testing" anywhere else. [[Category:Tolkien Gateway|{{PAGENAME}}]]<br /> ---- <br /> <br /> {{location infobox<br /> | name=Marshes in the South<br /> | image=<br /> | caption=<br /> | pronun=<br /> | othernames=Southern Marshes, South Marshes<br /> | location=Southern border of the [[Shire]], [[Eriador]]<br /> | type=Wetlands<br /> | description=<br /> | regions=<br /> | towns=<br /> | inhabitants=<br /> | created=before {{TA|1601}} <ref name="FRHobbits">{{FR|Hobbits}}</ref><br /> | destroyed=<br /> | events=<br /> | gallery=<br /> }}<br /> <br /> The '''Marshes in the South''' were likely a collection of smaller marshes or one marsh on the southern border of [[The Shire]] <ref name="FRHobbits">{{FR|Hobbits}}</ref>. It is possible that the Marshes in the south were the [[Overbourn Marshes]] <ref>{{HM|AME}}, pp. 70</ref><br /> <br /> == Geography ==<br /> The Marshes in the South were likely on or near the [[Baranduin|River Brandywine]]. It is unknown if the Marshes in the South were multiple or one singluler marsh. They were also roughly 50 leagues (150 Númenórean miles) south of the [[North Moors]]<ref name="FRHobbits">{{FR|Hobbits}}</ref>.<br /> <br /> == History ==<br /> In the year {{TA|1601}} the hobbits set out to cross the Brandywine River led by the brothers [[Marcho]] and [[Blanco]] to live in their new home of the shire. The hobbits had previously agreed with King [[Argeleb II]] on the borders of the shire, the southern border being the Marshes in the South<ref name="FRHobbits">{{FR|Hobbits}}</ref>.<br /> <br /> {{References}}<br /> <br /> [[Category:Eriador]]<br /> [[Category:Regions of the Shire]]<br /> [[Category:Swamps]]</div>

Zeallsh https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Tolkien_Gateway:Sandbox&diff=368849 Tolkien Gateway:Sandbox 2023-02-17T05:45:31Z

<p>Zeallsh: </p> <hr /> <div>:''See also: '''[[Help: Editing]]'''''<br /> This is the '''Tolkien Gateway Sandbox''', for experimental edits and templates to practice using [[wikipedia:Wiki markup|wikitext]]. Please edit this page as much as you want instead of "testing" anywhere else. [[Category:Tolkien Gateway|{{PAGENAME}}]]<br /> ---- <br /> <br /> {{location infobox<br /> | name=Marshes in the South<br /> | image=<br /> | caption=<br /> | pronun=<br /> | othernames=Southern Marshes, South Marshes<br /> | location=Southern border of the [[Shire]], [[Eriador]]<br /> | type=Wetlands<br /> | description=<br /> | regions=<br /> | towns=<br /> | inhabitants=<br /> | created=before {{TA|1601}} <ref name="FRHobbits">{{FR|Hobbits}}</ref><br /> | destroyed=<br /> | events=<br /> | gallery=<br /> }}<br /> <br /> The '''Marshes in the South''' were likely a collection of smaller marshes or one marsh on the southern border of [[The Shire]] <ref name="FRHobbits">{{FR|Hobbits}}</ref>. It is possible that the Marshes in the south were the [[overbourn marshes]] <ref>{{HM|AME}}, pp. 70</ref><br /> <br /> == Geography ==<br /> The Marshes in the South were likely on or near the [[Baranduin|River Brandywine]]. It is unknown if the Marshes in the South were multiple or one singluler marsh. They were also roughly 50 leagues (150 Númenórean miles) south of the [[North Moors]]<ref name="FRHobbits">{{FR|Hobbits}}</ref>.<br /> <br /> == History ==<br /> In the year {{TA|1601}} the hobbits set out to cross the Brandywine River led by the brothers [[Marcho]] and [[Blanco]] to live in their new home of the shire. The hobbits had previously agreed with King [[Argeleb II]] on the borders of the shire, the southern border being the Marshes in the South<ref name="FRHobbits">{{FR|Hobbits}}</ref>.<br /> <br /> {{References}}<br /> <br /> [[Category:Eriador]]<br /> [[Category:Regions of the Shire]]<br /> [[Category:Swamps]]</div>

Zeallsh https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=The_Shire&diff=368735 The Shire 2023-02-15T06:02:28Z

<p>Zeallsh: /* Geography */</p> <hr /> <div>{{Rewrite}}<br /> {{location infobox<br /> | name=The Shire<br /> | image=[[File:Ted Nasmith - Green Hill Morning.jpg|250px]]<br /> | caption="Green Hill Morning" by [[Ted Nasmith]]<br /> | pronun=<br /> | othernames=''[[Sûza]]'' ([[Westron|W]])<br>''Drann'' ([[Sindarin|S]])<br /> | location=[[Eriador]]<br /> | type=[[Region]]<br /> | description=<br /> | regions=[[Eastfarthing]], [[Southfarthing]], [[Northfarthing]], [[Westfarthing]]; [[Buckland]], [[Westmarch]]; [[Bridgefields]], [[Green Hill Country]], [[Marish]], [[Tookland]], [[Woody End]]<br /> | towns=[[Bywater]], [[Hobbiton]], [[Michel Delving]], [[Tuckborough]] <br /> | inhabitants=[[Hobbits]]<br /> | created={{TA|1601}}<ref name="FRHobbits">{{FR|Hobbits}}</ref><ref name="AppB2">{{App|B2}}</ref><br/>{{SR|1452}} - [[Westmarch]] added to the Shire<ref name="AppB5">{{App|B5}}</ref><br /> | destroyed=<br /> | events=[[Battle of Greenfields]]<br/>[[Battle of Bywater]]<br /> | gallery=the Shire<br /> }}<br /> The '''Shire''' was a region in [[Eriador]] inhabited by [[Hobbits]].<br /> <br /> == Geography ==<br /> The Shire is described as a small but beautiful and fruitful land, beloved by its inhabitants. The Hobbits had an extensive agricultural system in the Shire, but did not proceed with industrialisation. Various supplies could be found in the Shire, including cereals, fruit, wood and [[pipe-weed]] (a favourite treat of Hobbits).<br /> <br /> The Shire was quite densely populated in parts with many villages and a few towns, but it still was open enough to allow for wide forested areas and marshes. There were green, rolling hills and freshly tilled earth, along with gardens and flower boxes on window sills.<br /> <br /> Thanks to the protective presence of the [[Rangers of the North]] in the lands of the former Arnor, the Shire for centuries ignored the wide world outside, despite being traversed by the [[East Road]].<br /> <br /> From the west to the east, the Shire originally measured 40 leagues (120 [[Númenóreans|Númenórean]] miles) from the [[Far Downs]] to the [[Brandywine Bridge]]. From the north to the south, it measured 50 leagues (150 Númenórean miles) from the northern moors to the marshes in the south.<ref name="FRHobbits"/> The total area of the shire must have extended roughly about 20,000 square miles.<ref group="note">[[Robert Foster]] estimates the total area of the Shire to be "about 18,000 square miles"; [[Karen Wynn Fonstad]] has calculated a larger figure, about 21,400 square miles. See: {{HM|Guide}}, entry "Shire" and {{HM|AME}}, revised edn (London: HarperCollins, 1991), p. 69</ref><br /> <br /> In {{SR|1452}}, [[Aragorn|King Elessar]] gave the [[Westmarch]] to the [[Shire-hobbits]] as a gift. This extended the western boundaries of the Shire to the [[Tower Hills]].<ref name="AppB5"/> [[Buckland]], to the east of the Brandywine, remained an independent region occupied by [[Hobbits]].<br /> <br /> [[File:Christopher Tolkien - A Part of the Shire.jpg|thumb|500px|center|''[[A Part of the Shire]]'' by [[Christopher Tolkien]]]]<br /> <br /> The original boundaries of the Shire were as follows:<ref name="FRHobbits"/><br /> <br /> {{navigation<br /> | title=Boundaries of the Shire<br /> | north-west=<br /> | north=[[North Moors]]<br /> | north-east=<br /> | west=The [[Far Downs]]<br /> | east=The [[Baranduin|Brandywine River]]<br /> | south-west=<br /> | south=[[Marshes in the south]]<br /> | south-east=<br /> }}<br /> <br /> == History ==<br /> <br /> {{Quote|But it is not your own Shire. Others dwelt here before hobbits were; and others will dwell here again when hobbits are no more. The wide world is all about you: you can fence yourselves in, but you cannot for ever fence it out.|[[Gildor Inglorion]] in ''[[The Fellowship of the Ring]]'', "[[Three is Company]]"}}<br /> The Shire was a fertile and well-tilled part of [[Arnor]], with many royal farms, [[corn]]lands, vineyards, and woods. It had long been deserted during the waning days of the Kingdom when it was known as the splinter-realm of [[Arthedain]];<ref name="FRHobbits"/> it had been the hunting grounds of the [[King of Arnor]].<ref>{{PM|Prologue}}, p.9</ref> The [[Hobbits]] from [[Bree]] got official permission from King [[Argeleb II]] at Norbury ([[Fornost]]) to settle the lands. This was finally done in {{TA|1601}} (Year 1 in [[Shire Reckoning]]) by Hobbits from [[Bree]], led by the brothers [[Marcho]] and [[Blanco]].<ref name="FRHobbits"/> They were joined by other hobbits who lived in [[Dunland]] and parts of depopulated [[Cardolan]] and [[Rhudaur]].<br /> <br /> [[File:Ted Nasmith - One Morning Long Ago.jpg|thumb|left|''One Morning Long Ago'' by [[Ted Nasmith]]]]<br /> By 30 years later, almost all of the Hobbits of Middle-earth could be found in the Shire. The [[Shire-hobbits]] considered themselves as subjects of the [[Kings of Arthedain|King]], at least nominally, considering the isolation of their country. Nevertheless the Hobbits sent some support troops to the great battles Arnor fought against [[Angmar]]. After the fall of Arnor, the Shire remained a minor but independent political unit and the title of [[Thain]] was established to fill the absence of a Kingship.<ref name="FRHobbits"/><br /> <br /> Its small size, relative lack of importance, and brave and resilient Hobbit population made it too modest an objective for conquest. More important was that the Shire was guarded and protected by the [[Dúnedain]] [[Rangers of the North]] (and [[Gandalf]]), who watched the borders and kept out intruders. The only strangers to enter the Shire were the [[Dwarves]] travelling on the [[East Road]] that ran through the Shire to and from their mines in the [[Blue Mountains]], and the occasional [[Elves]] on their way to the [[Emyn Beraid]] or the [[Grey Havens]].<br /> <br /> In {{TA|2340}}, the [[Oldbucks]] of the [[Marish]] crossed the [[Brandywine]] because of overpopulation and founded [[Buckland]].<br /> <br /> However, the Shire faced its adversities since it was inside the range of the [[Great Plague]] of {{TA|1636}}, and [[Orcs of the Misty Mountains|Goblins]] from [[Mount Gram]] invaded the Shire until they were driven out after the [[Battle of Greenfields]] ({{TA|2747}}). The Shire also suffered because of the [[Long Winter]] ({{TA|2758}}) soon followed by the [[Days of Dearth]] ({{TA|2760}}) and the [[Fell Winter (Third Age)|Fell Winter]] ({{TA|2911}}) when [[White Wolves]] entered the Shire.<ref name="AppB2"/><br /> <br /> [[Saruman]] followed Gandalf's interest for the Hobbits and put spies in Bree and Southfarthing. In the years leading up to the [[War of the Ring]], his spies saw that the Shire was closely guarded by the Rangers. When Gandalf suspected that Bilbo Baggins possessed the [[One Ring]] the guard was doubled<ref name="AppB2"/> (perhaps at his request to [[Chieftains of the Dúnedain|Chieftain]] [[Aragorn]]).<br /> <br /> === War of the Ring ===<br /> During the [[War of the Ring]], the Shire was first visited by the Nine [[Nazgûl|Ringwraiths]] when the Rangers were off to the War. This left the Shire defenseless, leaving it open to be captured by Sharkey (Alias of Saruman) and some [[Ruffians]], through the use of [[Lotho Sackville-Baggins]]. It was liberated after [[Frodo Baggins|Frodo]], [[Samwise Gamgee|Sam]], [[Meriadoc Brandybuck|Merry]] and [[Peregrin Took|Pippin]] returned from Gondor. Their victory at the [[Battle of Bywater]] and the death of Saruman put a final end to the War.<br /> <br /> Yet the physical damage which Saruman caused by forced industrialisation was undone by the Hobbits' efforts and the soil from [[Lothlórien]] (given to Sam by [[Galadriel]]) and {{TA|3021}} was considered to be the most productive and prosperous year in their history.<br /> <br /> === Fourth Age ===<br /> With [[Aragorn]]'s return as the King of [[Arnor]] and [[Gondor]], the Shire joined the [[Reunited Kingdom]]<ref>{{FR|Records}}</ref> and in {{FoA|6}} became a Free Land, protected enclave inside the Kingdom; a royal order forbade the entrance of any one other than [[Hobbits]] into the Shire. In {{FoA|31}}, King Aragorn extended the land westwards to [[Emyn Beraid]]; this land was named [[Westmarch]] and many hobbits relocated there.<ref>{{App|Later}}</ref><br /> <br /> == Administration ==<br /> [[File:The Lord of the Rings - The Fellowship of the Ring - The Shire.jpg|250px|left|thumb|The Shire in ''[[The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring]]'']]<br /> Initially, the Shire was a part of Arthedain and the Hobbits considered themselves to be subjects of the King. It was only after the fall of Arnor, that the Shire became an independent political unit led by the '''[[Thain]]''' from ''[[Tuckborough]]'' who was the head of the important [[Took Family|Took clan]]. While nominally the Thain ruled over the four [[Farthings]], in practice authority was so decentralised that the title was seen as more of a formality and ceremonial.<br /> <br /> The only official of the Shire was the '''[[Mayor of Michel Delving]]''' in the [[White Downs]] (by extension seen as the mayor of the Shire). The Mayor's chief duties were serving as postmaster of the Shire's [[Messenger Service]], charging the [[Watch]], and presiding at fairs.<br /> <br /> Finally, the '''[[Master of Buckland]]''' at ''[[Bucklebury]]'' controlled [[Buckland]].<br /> <br /> The sole law enforcement officials in the Shire were the [[Shirriffs]]. Their job was to protect the Shire from trespassers more than anything. There were three in each Farthing, and were distinguished from "civilians" by a feather worn in their caps. The [[Bounders]] were the land's border-guard, charged with turning back unwanted people or beasts, and their number varied according to need.<br /> <br /> The Shire was originally divided into four [[Farthings]] (''[[Northfarthing]]'', ''[[Southfarthing]]'', ''[[Eastfarthing]]'', and ''[[Westfarthing]]''), but [[Buckland]] and later the [[Westmarch]] were added to it. Within the Farthings there are some smaller, unofficial divisions such as family lands. The [[Took Family|Tooks]], for instance, nearly all live in or near [[Tuckborough]]. In many cases, a Hobbit's last name indicates where their family came from. For example, [[Samwise Gamgee]]'s last name derives from ''[[Gamwich]]'', where the family originated. Outside the Farthings, Buckland itself was named for the [[Oldbucks]], whose members later became the [[Brandybuck Family|Brandybucks]]).<br /> <br /> == Etymology ==<br /> A "shire" ([[Old English]] ''scír'') is an organised region with a "[[Michel Delving|county-town]]".<ref name="Nomen"/> [[J.R.R. Tolkien|Tolkien]] notes that in English, OE ''scír'' replaced the Germanic word for district ''gē'' (cognate, German ''Gau'', "valley, district") and in English was reduced to an element for a few old place-names, like [[wikipedia:Surrey|Surrey]] (from ''Suðer-ge'' "southern district").<ref name="Nomen">{{HM|N}}, p. 775</ref><br /> <br /> == Other names ==<br /> The original [[Westron]] name for "Shire" was '''''[[Sûza]]''''',<ref name="AppF">{{App|F2}}</ref> while the definite form ("''The'' Shire") was ''Sûza-t''.<ref>{{PM|II}}, p. 45</ref><br /> <br /> The [[Sindarin]] name is only attested in the [[Lenition|lenited]] form '''''Drann''''' and the adjectival ''Drannail'',<ref>[[Vinyar Tengwar 31|''Vinyar Tengwar'' 31]], "The ''King's Letter'': An Historical and Comparative Analysis" by [[Carl F. Hostetter]], pp. 21-22</ref><ref>{{SD|XI2}}, p. 129</ref> so it would be ''Trann''.<ref>{{webcite|author=Paul Strack|articleurl=http://eldamo.org/content/words/word-1044609725.html|articlename=S. #''Trann'' loc.|website=Eldamo|accessed=22 January 2020}}</ref><br /> <br /> == Inspiration ==<br /> {{quote|I could draw you a map of every inch of [Sarehole] [...] I loved it with an intensity of love that was a kind of nostalgia reversed [...] It was a kind of lost paradise and it was wonderful.|[[J.R.R. Tolkien]] interview to John Ezard<ref>''[[Oxford Mail]]'', [[3 August]] [[1966]], p. 4</ref>}}<br /> On Tolkien's maps, the Shire is located at about the same position as England is on modern European maps and has been cited as an example of [[Wikipedia:Deep_England|Deep England]] ideology (though, of course, England is on an island while the Shire is a landlocked country). Throughout the narrative, Tolkien also implies numerous points of similarity between the two, such as weather, agriculture and dialect. One can also see England as Tolkien's source of inspiration for the Shire in its very name. Tolkien had spent his youth in [[Sarehole]], Worcestershire.<br /> <br /> According to [[Paula Marmor]], the hobbit brothers [[Marcho]] and [[Blanco]] bear names related to horses, parallel to [[Hengest]] and [[Horsa]], the [[Wikipedia:Hengest and Horsa|legendary leaders]] who brought the Saxons to Britain. Hengest was the founder of [[Wikipedia:Kent|Kent]] whose geography is similar to the Shire (North Downs above, hills to the west, water to the east and marshes to the southeast).<ref>{{HM|IE}}, "An etymological excursion among the Shire-Folk" by [[Paula Marmor]]</ref><br /> <br /> The industrialisation of the Shire was based on Tolkien's witnessing of the extension of the Industrial Revolution to rural Warwickshire during his youth, and especially the deleterious consequences thereof. The rebellion of the hobbits and the restoration of the pre-industrial Shire may be interpreted as a prescription of voluntary simplicity as a remedy to the problems of modern society.<br /> <br /> == Portrayal in adaptations ==<br /> {{Gallery<br /> |title=Pictures of the Shire in adaptations<br /> |height=150<br /> |width=200<br /> |lines=2<br /> |File:The Lord of the Rings - The Fellowship of the Ring - Hobbiton.jpg|The Shire in ''[[The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring]]''<br /> |File:The Lord of the Rings Online - The Shire map.jpg|Map of the Shire from ''[[The Lord of the Rings Online]]''<br /> |File:The Lord of the Rings Online - The Yondershire map.jpg|Map of the "Yondershire" from ''[[The Lord of the Rings Online]]''<br /> }}<br /> <br /> ===Films===<br /> '''1977: [[The Lord of the Rings (1978 film)|''The Lord of the Rings'' (1978 film)]]:'''<br /> :The Shire is featured in the opening and last scenes of the film. Only [[Bag End]] is featured extensively.<br /> <br /> '''2001-03: [[The Lord of the Rings (film series)|''The Lord of the Rings'' (film series)]]:'''<br /> :Shire scenes were shot on location in Matamata, New Zealand. Following the shooting, the area was returned to its natural state, but even without Hobbit holes it became a prime tourist attraction.<br /> <br /> '''2012-14: [[The Hobbit (film series)|''The Hobbit'' (film series)]]:'''<br /> :Shire scenes were shot at the same place where shooting of [[The Lord of the Rings (film series)|''The Lord of the Rings'' (film series)]] took place. Unlike the previous time, Hobbiton was constructed out of permanent materials, with intention of lasting for decades.<br /> <br /> === Games ===<br /> '''2002: [[The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring (video game)|''The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring'' (video game)]]:'''<br /> :The first three levels of the game take place in the Shire, from [[Frodo]] leaving [[Bag End]] up until the entrance into the [[Old Forest]].<br /> <br /> '''2003: [[The Hobbit (2003 video game)|''The Hobbit'' (2003 video game)]]:'''<br /> :The Shire is the first level of the game. Unlike the original story, Bilbo has to perform various side-quests before he ever reached [[Green Dragon]].<br /> <br /> '''2006: ''[[The Lord of the Rings: The Battle for Middle-earth II]]'':'''<br /> :The Shire is a battleground appearing in Evil campaign and skirmish mode.<br /> <br /> '''2007: ''[[The Lord of the Rings Online]]'':'''<br /> :The Shire is one of the major regions of the game, represented almost in its entirely - of the original map by Christopher Tolkien only some parts of [[Westfarthing]] and [[Southfarthing]] are not represented. Also, part of the [[Northfarthing]] is placed within the borders of [[Evendim]] region for gameplay purposes. The Shire is inhabited by hundreds of non-playable characters, involved in hundreds of quests.<br /> <br /> :In 2022 an extension to the region called "[[the Yondershire]]" was added. This area includes the Shire's less-tamed north-western reaches and the surrounding territory, reaching to the [[Lhûn|River Lune]] in the west and the [[Hills of Evendim]] in the north.<ref>{{webcite|author=|articleurl=https://www.lotro.com/update-notes/lotro-update-33-release-notes-en|articlename=Update 33 Release Notes|dated=20 April, 2022|website=LOTRO|accessed=}}</ref><ref>{{webcite|author=Matt "Scenario" Elliott|articleurl=https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1436262669|articlename=A Casual Stroll Through Yondershire with Scenario|dated=|website=[https://www.twitch.tv/ Twitch]|accessed=}}</ref><br /> <br /> '''2009: ''[[The Lord of the Rings: Conquest]]'':'''<br /> :The Shire is one of game's battlegrounds, razed by Sauron's forces in the Evil campaign.<br /> <br /> == See also ==<br /> * [[Thain|Thains of the Shire]]<br /> <br /> {{References|n}}<br /> <br /> {{companyroute}}<br /> {{thains}}<br /> [[Category:Eriador]]<br /> [[Category:The Shire]]<br /> <br /> [[de:Auenland]]<br /> [[fi:Kontu]]<br /> [[fr:encyclo:geographie:regions:eriador:comte]]</div>

Zeallsh https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Tolkien_Gateway:Sandbox&diff=365745 Tolkien Gateway:Sandbox 2022-12-31T05:02:19Z

<p>Zeallsh: </p> <hr /> <div>:''See also: '''[[Help: Editing]]'''''<br /> This is the '''Tolkien Gateway Sandbox''', for experimental edits and templates to practice using [[wikipedia:Wiki markup|wikitext]]. Please edit this page as much as you want instead of "testing" anywhere else. [[Category:Tolkien Gateway|{{PAGENAME}}]]<br /> ---- <br /> <br /> {{location infobox<br /> | name=Marshes in the South<br /> | image=<br /> | caption=<br /> | pronun=<br /> | othernames=Southern Marshes, South Marshes<br /> | location=Southern border of the [[Shire]], [[Eriador]]<br /> | type=Wetlands<br /> | description=<br /> | regions=<br /> | towns=<br /> | inhabitants=<br /> | created=before {{TA|1601}} <ref name="FRHobbits">{{FR|Hobbits}}</ref><br /> | destroyed=<br /> | events=<br /> | gallery=<br /> }}<br /> <br /> The '''Marshes in the South''' were likely a collection of smaller marshes or one marsh on the southern border of [[The Shire]] <ref name="FRHobbits">{{FR|Hobbits}}</ref>.<br /> <br /> == Geography ==<br /> The Marshes in the South were likely on or near the [[Baranduin|River Brandywine]]. It is unknown if the Marshes in the South were multiple or one singluler marsh. They were also roughly 50 leagues (150 Númenórean miles) south of the [[North Moors]]<ref name="FRHobbits">{{FR|Hobbits}}</ref>.<br /> <br /> == History ==<br /> In the year {{TA|1601}} the hobbits set out to cross the Brandywine River led by the brothers [[Marcho]] and [[Blanco]] to live in their new home of the shire. The hobbits had previously agreed with King [[Argeleb II]] on the borders of the shire, the southern border being the Marshes in the South<ref name="FRHobbits">{{FR|Hobbits}}</ref>.<br /> <br /> {{References}}<br /> <br /> [[Category:Eriador]]<br /> [[Category:Regions of the Shire]]<br /> [[Category:Swamps]]</div>

Zeallsh https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Tolkien_Gateway:Sandbox&diff=365741 Tolkien Gateway:Sandbox 2022-12-31T01:29:53Z

<p>Zeallsh: </p> <hr /> <div>:''See also: '''[[Help: Editing]]'''''<br /> This is the '''Tolkien Gateway Sandbox''', for experimental edits and templates to practice using [[wikipedia:Wiki markup|wikitext]]. Please edit this page as much as you want instead of "testing" anywhere else. [[Category:Tolkien Gateway|{{PAGENAME}}]]<br /> ---- <br /> <br /> {{location infobox<br /> | name=Marshes in the South<br /> | image=<br /> | caption=<br /> | pronun=<br /> | othernames=Southern Marshes, South Marshes<br /> | location=Southern border of the [[Shire]], [[Eriador]]<br /> | type=Wetlands<br /> | description=<br /> | regions=<br /> | towns=<br /> | inhabitants=<br /> | created=before {{TA|1601}} <ref name="FRHobbits">{{FR|Hobbits}}</ref><br /> | destroyed=<br /> | events=<br /> | gallery=<br /> }}<br /> <br /> The '''Marshes in the South''' were likely a collection of smaller marshes or one marsh on the southern border of [[The Shire]] <ref name="FRHobbits">{{FR|Hobbits}}</ref>.<br /> <br /> == Geography ==<br /> The Marshes in the South were likely on or near the [[Baranduin|River Brandywine]]. It is unknown if the Marshes in the South were multiple or one singluler marsh. They were also roughly 50 leagues (150 Númenórean miles) south of the [[North Moors]]<ref name="FRHobbits">{{FR|Hobbits}}</ref>.<br /> <br /> == History ==<br /> In the year {{TA|1601}} the hobbits set out to cross the Brandywine river lead by the brothers [[Marcho]] and [[Blanco]] to live in there new home of the shire. The hobbits had previously agreed with King [[Argeleb II]] on the boarders of the shire, the southern border being the Marshes in the South<ref name="FRHobbits">{{FR|Hobbits}}</ref>.<br /> <br /> {{References}}<br /> <br /> [[Category:Eriador]]<br /> [[Category:Regions of the Shire]][[Category:Swamps]]</div>

Zeallsh https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Tolkien_Gateway:Sandbox&diff=365726 Tolkien Gateway:Sandbox 2022-12-30T23:44:02Z

<p>Zeallsh: </p> <hr /> <div>:''See also: '''[[Help: Editing]]'''''<br /> This is the '''Tolkien Gateway Sandbox''', for experimental edits and templates to practice using [[wikipedia:Wiki markup|wikitext]]. Please edit this page as much as you want instead of "testing" anywhere else. [[Category:Tolkien Gateway|{{PAGENAME}}]]<br /> ---- <br /> <br /> {{location infobox<br /> | name=Marshes in the South<br /> | image=<br /> | caption=<br /> | pronun=<br /> | othernames=Southern Marshes, South Marshes<br /> | location=Southern border of the [[Shire]], [[Eriador]]<br /> | type=Wetlands<br /> | description=<br /> | regions=<br /> | towns=<br /> | inhabitants=<br /> | created=before {{TA|1601}} <ref name="FRHobbits">{{FR|Hobbits}}</ref><br /> | destroyed=<br /> | events=<br /> | gallery=<br /> }}<br /> <br /> The '''Marshes in the South''' were likely a collection of smaller marshes or one small marsh on the southern border of [[The Shire]] <ref name="FRHobbits">{{FR|Hobbits}}</ref>.<br /> <br /> == Geography ==<br /> The Marshes in the South were likely on or near the [[Baranduin|River Brandywine]]. It is unknown if the Marshes in the South were multiple or one singluler marsh. They were also roughly 50 leagues (150 Númenórean miles) south of the [[North Moors]]<ref name="FRHobbits">{{FR|Hobbits}}</ref>.<br /> <br /> == History ==<br /> In the year {{TA|1601}} the hobbits set out to cross the Brandywine river lead by the brothers [[Marcho]] and [[Blanco]] to live in there new home of the shire. The hobbits had previously agreed with King [[Argeleb II]] on the boarders of the shire, the southern border being the Marshes in the South<ref name="FRHobbits">{{FR|Hobbits}}</ref>.<br /> <br /> {{References}}<br /> <br /> [[Category:Eriador]]<br /> [[Category:Regions of the Shire]][[Category:Swamps]]</div>

Zeallsh https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Tolkien_Gateway:Sandbox&diff=365725 Tolkien Gateway:Sandbox 2022-12-30T23:43:12Z

<p>Zeallsh: </p> <hr /> <div>:''See also: '''[[Help: Editing]]'''''<br /> This is the '''Tolkien Gateway Sandbox''', for experimental edits and templates to practice using [[wikipedia:Wiki markup|wikitext]]. Please edit this page as much as you want instead of "testing" anywhere else. [[Category:Tolkien Gateway|{{PAGENAME}}]]<br /> ---- <br /> <br /> {{location infobox<br /> | name=Marshes in the South<br /> | image=<br /> | caption=<br /> | pronun=<br /> | othernames=Southern Marshes, South Marshes<br /> | location=Southern border of the [[Shire]], [[Eriador]]<br /> | type=Wetlands<br /> | description=<br /> | regions=<br /> | towns=<br /> | inhabitants=<br /> | created=before {{TA|1601}} <ref name="FRHobbits">{{FR|Hobbits}}</ref><br /> | destroyed=<br /> | events=<br /> | gallery=<br /> }}<br /> <br /> The '''Marshes in the South''' were likely a collection of smaller marshes or one small marsh on the southern border of [[The Shire]] <ref name="FRHobbits">{{FR|Hobbits}}</ref>.<br /> <br /> == Geography ==<br /> The Marshes in the South were likely on or near the [[Baranduin|River Brandywine]]. It is unknown if the Marshes in the South were multiple or one singluler marsh. They were also roughly 50 leagues (150 Númenórean miles) south of the [[North Moors]]<ref name="FRHobbits">{{FR|Hobbits}}</ref>.<br /> <br /> == History ==<br /> In the year {{TA|1601}} the hobbits set out to cross the Brandywine river lead by the brothers [[Marcho]] and [[Blanco]] to live in there new home of the shire. The hobbits had previously agreed with King [[Argeleb II]] on the boarders of the shire, the southern border being the Marshes in the South<ref name="FRHobbits">{{FR|Hobbits}}</ref>.<br /> <br /> {{References}}<br /> <br /> [[Category:Eriador]][[[Category:Regions of the Shire]][Category:Swamps]]</div>

Zeallsh https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Tolkien_Gateway:Sandbox&diff=365723 Tolkien Gateway:Sandbox 2022-12-30T23:35:29Z

<p>Zeallsh: </p> <hr /> <div>:''See also: '''[[Help: Editing]]'''''<br /> This is the '''Tolkien Gateway Sandbox''', for experimental edits and templates to practice using [[wikipedia:Wiki markup|wikitext]]. Please edit this page as much as you want instead of "testing" anywhere else. [[Category:Tolkien Gateway|{{PAGENAME}}]]<br /> ---- <br /> <br /> {{location infobox<br /> | name=Marshes in the South<br /> | image=<br /> | caption=<br /> | pronun=<br /> | othernames=Southern Marshes, South Marshes<br /> | location=Southern border of the [[Shire]], [[Eriador]]<br /> | type=Wetlands<br /> | description=<br /> | regions=<br /> | towns=<br /> | inhabitants=<br /> | created=before {{TA|1601}} <ref name="FRHobbits">{{FR|Hobbits}}</ref><br /> | destroyed=<br /> | events=<br /> | gallery=<br /> }}<br /> <br /> The '''Marshes in the South''' were likely a collection of smaller marshes or one small marsh on the southern border of [[The Shire]] <ref name="FRHobbits">{{FR|Hobbits}}</ref>.<br /> <br /> == Geography ==<br /> The Marshes in the South were likely on or near the [[Baranduin|River Brandywine]]. It is unknown if the Marshes in the South were multiple or one singluler marsh. They were also roughly 50 leagues (150 Númenórean miles) south of the [[North Moors]]<ref name="FRHobbits">{{FR|Hobbits}}</ref>.<br /> <br /> == History ==<br /> In the year {{TA|1601}} the hobbits set out to cross the Brandywine river lead by the brothers [[Marcho]] and [[Blanco]] to live in there new home of the shire. The hobbits had previously agreed with King [[Argeleb II]] on the boarders of the shire, the southern border being the Marshes in the South<ref name="FRHobbits">{{FR|Hobbits}}</ref>.<br /> <br /> {{References}}</div>

Zeallsh https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Tolkien_Gateway:Sandbox&diff=365716 Tolkien Gateway:Sandbox 2022-12-30T20:53:20Z

<p>Zeallsh: </p> <hr /> <div>:''See also: '''[[Help: Editing]]'''''<br /> This is the '''Tolkien Gateway Sandbox''', for experimental edits and templates to practice using [[wikipedia:Wiki markup|wikitext]]. Please edit this page as much as you want instead of "testing" anywhere else. [[Category:Tolkien Gateway|{{PAGENAME}}]]<br /> ---- <br /> <br /> {{location infobox<br /> | name=Marshes in the South<br /> | image=<br /> | caption=<br /> | pronun=<br /> | othernames=Southern Marshes, South Marshes<br /> | location=Southern border of the [[Shire]], fifty leagues south of the [[North Moors]], [[Eriador]]<ref name="FRHobbits">{{FR|Hobbits}}</ref><br /> | type=Wetlands<br /> | description=<br /> | regions=<br /> | towns=<br /> | inhabitants=<br /> | created=before {{TA|1601}} <ref name="FRHobbits">{{FR|Hobbits}}</ref><br /> | destroyed=<br /> | events=<br /> | gallery=<br /> }}<br /> <br /> The '''Marshes in the South''' were likely a collection of smaller marshes or one small marsh on the southern border of [[The Shire]] <ref name="FRHobbits">{{FR|Hobbits}}</ref>.<br /> <br /> == Geography ==<br /> The Marshes in the South were likely on or near the [[Baranduin|River Brandywine]]. It is unknown if the Marshes in the South were multiple or one singluler marsh. They were also roughly fifty leagues south of the [[North Moors]]<ref name="FRHobbits">{{FR|Hobbits}}</ref>.<br /> <br /> == History ==<br /> In the year {{TA|1601}} the hobbits set out to cross the Brandywine river lead by the brothers [[Marcho]] and [[Blanco]] to live in there new home of the shire. The hobbits had previously agreed with King [[Argeleb II]] on the boarders of the shire, the southern border being the Marshes in the South<ref name="FRHobbits">{{FR|Hobbits}}</ref>.<br /> <br /> {{References}}</div>

Zeallsh https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Tolkien_Gateway:Sandbox&diff=365715 Tolkien Gateway:Sandbox 2022-12-30T20:48:24Z

<p>Zeallsh: </p> <hr /> <div>:''See also: '''[[Help: Editing]]'''''<br /> This is the '''Tolkien Gateway Sandbox''', for experimental edits and templates to practice using [[wikipedia:Wiki markup|wikitext]]. Please edit this page as much as you want instead of "testing" anywhere else. [[Category:Tolkien Gateway|{{PAGENAME}}]]<br /> ---- <br /> <br /> {{location infobox<br /> | name=Marshes in the South<br /> | image=<br /> | caption=<br /> | pronun=<br /> | othernames=Southern Marshes, South Marshes<br /> | location=Southern border of the [[Shire]], fifty miles south of the [[North Moors]], [[Eriador]]<ref name="FRHobbits">{{FR|Hobbits}}</ref><br /> | type=Wetlands<br /> | description=<br /> | regions=<br /> | towns=<br /> | inhabitants=<br /> | created=before {{TA|1601}} <ref name="FRHobbits">{{FR|Hobbits}}</ref><br /> | destroyed=<br /> | events=<br /> | gallery=<br /> }}<br /> <br /> The '''Marshes in the South''' were likely a collection of smaller marshes or one small marsh on the southern border of [[The Shire]] <ref name="FRHobbits">{{FR|Hobbits}}</ref>.<br /> <br /> == Geography ==<br /> The Marshes in the South were likely on or near the [[Baranduin|River Brandywine]]. It is unknown if the Marshes in the South were multiple or one singluler marsh. They were also roughly 50 miles south of the [[North Moors]]<ref name="FRHobbits">{{FR|Hobbits}}</ref>.<br /> <br /> == History ==<br /> In the year {{TA|1601}} the hobbits set out to cross the Brandywine river lead by the brothers [[Marcho]] and [[Blanco]] to live in there new home of the shire. The hobbits had previously agreed with King [[Argeleb II]] on the boarders of the shire, the southern border being the Marshes in the South<ref name="FRHobbits">{{FR|Hobbits}}</ref>.<br /> <br /> {{References}}</div>

Zeallsh https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Tolkien_Gateway:Sandbox&diff=365712 Tolkien Gateway:Sandbox 2022-12-30T20:47:13Z

<p>Zeallsh: </p> <hr /> <div>:''See also: '''[[Help: Editing]]'''''<br /> This is the '''Tolkien Gateway Sandbox''', for experimental edits and templates to practice using [[wikipedia:Wiki markup|wikitext]]. Please edit this page as much as you want instead of "testing" anywhere else. [[Category:Tolkien Gateway|{{PAGENAME}}]]<br /> ---- <br /> <br /> {{location infobox<br /> | name=Marshes in the South<br /> | image=<br /> | caption=<br /> | pronun=<br /> | othernames=Southern Marshes, South Marshes<br /> | location=Southern border of the [[Shire]], fifty miles south of the [[North Moors]], [[Eriador]]<ref name="FRHobbits">{{FR|Hobbits}}</ref><br /> | type=Wetlands<br /> | description=<br /> | regions=<br /> | towns=<br /> | inhabitants=<br /> | created=before {{TA|1601}} <ref name="FRHobbits">{{FR|Hobbits}}</ref><br /> | destroyed=<br /> | events=<br /> | gallery=<br /> }}<br /> <br /> The '''Marshes in the South''' were likely a collection of smaller marshes or one small marsh on the southern border of [[The Shire]] <ref name="FRHobbits">{{FR|Hobbits}}</ref>.<br /> <br /> == Geography ==<br /> The Marshes in the South were likely on or near the [[Baranduin|River Brandywine]]. It is unknown if the Marshes in the South were multiple or one singluler marsh. They were also roughly 50 miles south of the [[North Moors]]<ref name="FRHobbits">{{FR|Hobbits}}</ref>.<br /> <br /> == History ==<br /> In the year {{TA|1601}} the hobbits set out to cross the Brandywine river lead by the brothers [[Marcho]] and [[Blanco]] to live in there new home of the shire. The hobbits had previously agreed with King [[Argeleb II]] on the boarders of the shire, the southern border being the Marshes in the South<ref name="FRHobbits">{{FR|Hobbits}}</ref>.<br /> <br /> {{References|n}}</div>

Zeallsh https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Tolkien_Gateway:Sandbox&diff=365708 Tolkien Gateway:Sandbox 2022-12-30T20:44:01Z

<p>Zeallsh: </p> <hr /> <div>:''See also: '''[[Help: Editing]]'''''<br /> This is the '''Tolkien Gateway Sandbox''', for experimental edits and templates to practice using [[wikipedia:Wiki markup|wikitext]]. Please edit this page as much as you want instead of "testing" anywhere else. [[Category:Tolkien Gateway|{{PAGENAME}}]]<br /> ---- <br /> <br /> {{location infobox<br /> | name=Marshes in the South<br /> | image=<br /> | caption=<br /> | pronun=<br /> | othernames=Southern Marshes, South Marshes<br /> | location=Southern border of the [[Shire]], fifty miles south of the [[North Moors]], [[Eriador]]<ref name="FRHobbits">{{FR|Hobbits}}</ref><br /> | type=Wetlands<br /> | description=<br /> | regions=<br /> | towns=<br /> | inhabitants=<br /> | created=before {{TA|1601}} <ref name="FRHobbits">{{FR|Hobbits}}</ref><br /> | destroyed=<br /> | events=<br /> | gallery=<br /> }}<br /> <br /> The '''Marshes in the South''' were likely a collection of smaller marshes or one small marsh on the southern border of [[The Shire]] <ref name="FRHobbits">{{FR|Hobbits}}</ref>.<br /> <br /> == Geography ==<br /> The Marshes in the South were likely on or near the [[Baranduin|River Brandywine]]. It is unknown if the Marshes in the South were multiple or one singluler marsh. They were also roughly 50 miles south of the [[North Moors]]<ref name="FRHobbits">{{FR|Hobbits}}</ref>.<br /> <br /> == History ==<br /> In the year {{TA|1601}} the hobbits set out to cross the Brandywine river lead by the brothers [[Marcho]] and [[Blanco]] to live in there new home of the shire. The hobbits had previously agreed with King [[Argeleb II]] on the boarders of the shire, the southern border being the Marshes in the South<ref name="FRHobbits">{{FR|Hobbits}}</ref>.</div>

Zeallsh https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Tolkien_Gateway:Sandbox&diff=365705 Tolkien Gateway:Sandbox 2022-12-30T20:41:18Z

<p>Zeallsh: </p> <hr /> <div>:''See also: '''[[Help: Editing]]'''''<br /> This is the '''Tolkien Gateway Sandbox''', for experimental edits and templates to practice using [[wikipedia:Wiki markup|wikitext]]. Please edit this page as much as you want instead of "testing" anywhere else. [[Category:Tolkien Gateway|{{PAGENAME}}]]<br /> ---- <br /> <br /> {{location infobox<br /> | name=Marshes in the South<br /> | image=<br /> | caption=<br /> | pronun=<br /> | othernames=Southern Marshes, South Marshes<br /> | location=Southern border of the [[Shire]], fifty miles south of the [[North Moors]], [[Eriador]] <ref name="FRHobbits">{{FR|Hobbits}}</ref><br /> | type=Wetlands<br /> | description=<br /> | regions=<br /> | towns=<br /> | inhabitants=<br /> | created=before {{TA|1601}} <ref name="FRHobbitsd"/><br /> | destroyed=<br /> | events=<br /> | gallery=<br /> }}<br /> <br /> The '''Marshes in the South''' were likely a collection of smaller marshes or one small marsh on the southern border of [[The Shire]]<ref name="FRHobbitsd"/>.<br /> <br /> == Geography ==<br /> The Marshes in the South were likely on or near the [[Baranduin|River Brandywine]]. It is unknown if the Marshes in the South were multiple or one singluler marsh. They were also roughly 50 miles south of the [[North Moors]]<ref name="FRHobbitsd"/>.<br /> <br /> == History ==<br /> In the year {{TA|1601}} the hobbits set out to cross the Brandywine river lead by the brothers [[Marcho]] and [[Blanco]] to live in there new home of the shire. The hobbits had previously agreed with King [[Argeleb II]] on the boarders of the shire, the southern border being the Marshes in the South<ref name="FRHobbitsd"/>.</div>

Zeallsh https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Tolkien_Gateway:Sandbox&diff=365703 Tolkien Gateway:Sandbox 2022-12-30T20:35:19Z

<p>Zeallsh: </p> <hr /> <div>:''See also: '''[[Help: Editing]]'''''<br /> This is the '''Tolkien Gateway Sandbox''', for experimental edits and templates to practice using [[wikipedia:Wiki markup|wikitext]]. Please edit this page as much as you want instead of "testing" anywhere else. [[Category:Tolkien Gateway|{{PAGENAME}}]]<br /> ---- <br /> <br /> {{location infobox<br /> | name=Marshes in the South<br /> | image=<br /> | caption=<br /> | pronun=<br /> | othernames=Southern Marshes, South Marshes<br /> | location=Southern border of the [[Shire]], fifty miles south of the [[North Moors]], [[Eriador]]<br /> | type=Wetlands<br /> | description=<br /> | regions=<br /> | towns=<br /> | inhabitants=<br /> | created=before {{TA|1601}}<br /> | destroyed=<br /> | events=<br /> | gallery=<br /> }}<br /> <br /> The '''Marshes in the South''' were likely a collection of smaller marshes or one small marsh on the southern border of [[The Shire]]<ref name="FRHobbits">{{FR|Hobbits}}</ref>.<br /> <br /> == Geography ==<br /> The Marshes in the South were likely on or near the [[Baranduin|River Brandywine]]. It is unknown if the Marshes in the South were multiple or one singluler marsh. They were also roughly 50 miles south of the [[North Moors]].<br /> <br /> == History ==<br /> In the year {{TA|1601}} the hobbits set out to cross the Brandywine river lead by the brothers [[Marcho]] and [[Blanco]] to live in there new home of the shire. The hobbits had previously agreed with King [[Argeleb II]] on the boarders of the shire, the southern border being the Marshes in the South.</div>

Zeallsh https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Tolkien_Gateway:Sandbox&diff=365702 Tolkien Gateway:Sandbox 2022-12-30T20:34:22Z

<p>Zeallsh: </p> <hr /> <div>:''See also: '''[[Help: Editing]]'''''<br /> This is the '''Tolkien Gateway Sandbox''', for experimental edits and templates to practice using [[wikipedia:Wiki markup|wikitext]]. Please edit this page as much as you want instead of "testing" anywhere else. [[Category:Tolkien Gateway|{{PAGENAME}}]]<br /> ---- <br /> <br /> {{location infobox<br /> | name=Marshes in the South<br /> | image=<br /> | caption=<br /> | pronun=<br /> | othernames=Southern Marshes, South Marshes<br /> | location=Southern border of the [[Shire]], fifty miles south of the [[North Moors]], [[Eriador]]<br /> | type=Wetlands<br /> | description=<br /> | regions=<br /> | towns=<br /> | inhabitants=<br /> | created=before {{TA|1601}}<br /> | destroyed=<br /> | events=<br /> | gallery=<br /> }}<br /> <br /> The '''Marshes in the South''' were likely a collection of smaller marshes or one small marsh on the southern border of [[The Shire]] ref name="FRHobbits">{{FR|Hobbits}}</ref>.<br /> <br /> == Geography ==<br /> The Marshes in the South were likely on or near the [[Baranduin|River Brandywine]]. It is unknown if the Marshes in the South were multiple or one singluler marsh. They were also roughly 50 miles south of the [[North Moors]].<br /> <br /> == History ==<br /> In the year {{TA|1601}} the hobbits set out to cross the Brandywine river lead by the brothers [[Marcho]] and [[Blanco]] to live in there new home of the shire. The hobbits had previously agreed with King [[Argeleb II]] on the boarders of the shire, the southern border being the Marshes in the South.</div>

Zeallsh https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Tolkien_Gateway:Sandbox&diff=365701 Tolkien Gateway:Sandbox 2022-12-30T20:30:11Z

<p>Zeallsh: </p> <hr /> <div>:''See also: '''[[Help: Editing]]'''''<br /> This is the '''Tolkien Gateway Sandbox''', for experimental edits and templates to practice using [[wikipedia:Wiki markup|wikitext]]. Please edit this page as much as you want instead of "testing" anywhere else. [[Category:Tolkien Gateway|{{PAGENAME}}]]<br /> ---- <br /> <br /> {{location infobox<br /> | name=Marshes in the South<br /> | image=<br /> | caption=<br /> | pronun=<br /> | othernames=Southern Marshes, South Marshes<br /> | location=Southern border of the [[Shire]], fifty miles south of the [[North Moors]], [[Eriador]]<br /> | type=Wetlands<br /> | description=<br /> | regions=<br /> | towns=<br /> | inhabitants=<br /> | created=before {{TA|1601}}<br /> | destroyed=<br /> | events=<br /> | gallery=<br /> }}<br /> <br /> The '''Marshes in the South''' were likely a collection of smaller marshes or one small marsh on the southern border of [[The Shire]].<br /> <br /> == Geography ==<br /> The Marshes in the South were likely on or near the [[Baranduin|River Brandywine]]. It is unknown if the Marshes in the South were multiple or one singluler marsh. They were also roughly 50 miles south of the [[North Moors]].<br /> <br /> == History ==<br /> In the year {{TA|1601}} the hobbits set out to cross the Brandywine river lead by the brothers [[Marcho]] and [[Blanco]] to live in there new home of the shire. The hobbits had previously agreed with King [[Argeleb II]] on the boarders of the shire, the southern border being the Marshes in the South.</div>

Zeallsh https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Tolkien_Gateway:Sandbox&diff=365700 Tolkien Gateway:Sandbox 2022-12-30T20:19:58Z

<p>Zeallsh: </p> <hr /> <div>:''See also: '''[[Help: Editing]]'''''<br /> This is the '''Tolkien Gateway Sandbox''', for experimental edits and templates to practice using [[wikipedia:Wiki markup|wikitext]]. Please edit this page as much as you want instead of "testing" anywhere else. [[Category:Tolkien Gateway|{{PAGENAME}}]]<br /> ---- <br /> <br /> {{location infobox<br /> | name=Marshes in the South<br /> | image=<br /> | caption=<br /> | pronun=<br /> | othernames=Southern Marshes, South Marshes<br /> | location=Southern border of the [[Shire]], fifty miles south of the [[North Moors]]<br /> | type=Wetlands<br /> | description=<br /> | regions=<br /> | towns=<br /> | inhabitants=<br /> | created=before {{TA|1601}}<br /> | destroyed=<br /> | events=<br /> | gallery=<br /> }}<br /> <br /> The '''Marshes in the South''' were likely a collection of smaller marshes or one small marsh on the southern border of [[The Shire]].<br /> <br /> == Geography ==<br /> The Marshes in the South were likely on or near the [[Baranduin|River Brandywine]]. It is unknown if the Marshes in the South were multiple or one singluler marsh. They were also roughly 50 miles south of the [[North Moors]].<br /> <br /> == History ==<br /> In the year {{TA|1601}} the hobbits set out to cross the Brandywine river lead by the brothers [[Marcho]] and [[Blanco]] to live in there new home of the shire. The hobbits had previously agreed with King [[Argeleb II]] on the boarders of the shire, the southern border being the Marshes in the South.</div>

Zeallsh https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Tolkien_Gateway:Sandbox&diff=365699 Tolkien Gateway:Sandbox 2022-12-30T20:00:56Z

<p>Zeallsh: </p> <hr /> <div>:''See also: '''[[Help: Editing]]'''''<br /> This is the '''Tolkien Gateway Sandbox''', for experimental edits and templates to practice using [[wikipedia:Wiki markup|wikitext]]. Please edit this page as much as you want instead of "testing" anywhere else. [[Category:Tolkien Gateway|{{PAGENAME}}]]<br /> ---- <br /> <br /> {{location infobox<br /> | name=Marshes in the South<br /> | image=<br /> | caption=<br /> | pronun=<br /> | othernames=Southern Marshes, South Marshes<br /> | location=Southern border of the [[Shire]], fifty miles south of the [[North Moors]]<br /> | type=Wetlands<br /> | description=<br /> | regions=<br /> | towns=<br /> | inhabitants=<br /> | created=before {{TA|1601}}<br /> | destroyed=<br /> | events=<br /> | gallery=<br /> }}<br /> <br /> The '''Marshes in the South''' were likely a collection of smaller marshes or one small marsh on the southern border of [[The Shire]].<br /> <br /> == Geography ==<br /> The Marshes in the South were likely on or near the [[Baranduin|River Brandywine]]. It is unknown if the Marshes in the South were multiple or one singluler marsh. They were also roughly 50 miles south of the [[North Moors]].<br /> <br /> == History ==</div>

Zeallsh https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Tolkien_Gateway:Sandbox&diff=365698 Tolkien Gateway:Sandbox 2022-12-30T20:00:05Z

<p>Zeallsh: </p> <hr /> <div>:''See also: '''[[Help: Editing]]'''''<br /> This is the '''Tolkien Gateway Sandbox''', for experimental edits and templates to practice using [[wikipedia:Wiki markup|wikitext]]. Please edit this page as much as you want instead of "testing" anywhere else. [[Category:Tolkien Gateway|{{PAGENAME}}]]<br /> ---- <br /> <br /> {{location infobox<br /> | name=Marshes in the South<br /> | image=<br /> | caption=<br /> | pronun=<br /> | othernames=Southern Marshes, South Marshes<br /> | location=Southern border of the [[Shire]], fifty miles south of the [[North Moors]]<br /> | type=Wetlands<br /> | description=<br /> | regions=<br /> | towns=<br /> | inhabitants=<br /> | created=before {{TA|1601}}<br /> | destroyed=<br /> | events=<br /> | gallery=<br /> }}<br /> <br /> The '''Marshes in the South''' were likely a collection of smaller marshes or one small marsh on the southern border of [[The Shire]].<br /> <br /> == Geography ==<br /> The Marshes in the South were likely on or near the [[River Brandywine| Baranduin]]. It is unknown if the Marshes in the South were multiple or one singluler marsh. They were also roughly 50 miles south of the [[North Moors]].<br /> <br /> == History ==</div>

Zeallsh https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Tolkien_Gateway:Sandbox&diff=365697 Tolkien Gateway:Sandbox 2022-12-30T19:58:29Z

<p>Zeallsh: </p> <hr /> <div>:''See also: '''[[Help: Editing]]'''''<br /> This is the '''Tolkien Gateway Sandbox''', for experimental edits and templates to practice using [[wikipedia:Wiki markup|wikitext]]. Please edit this page as much as you want instead of "testing" anywhere else. [[Category:Tolkien Gateway|{{PAGENAME}}]]<br /> ---- <br /> <br /> {{location infobox<br /> | name=Marshes in the South<br /> | image=<br /> | caption=<br /> | pronun=<br /> | othernames=Southern Marshes, South Marshes<br /> | location=Southern border of the [[Shire]], fifty miles south of the [[North Moors]]<br /> | type=Wetlands<br /> | description=<br /> | regions=<br /> | towns=<br /> | inhabitants=<br /> | created=before {{TA|1601}}<br /> | destroyed=<br /> | events=<br /> | gallery=<br /> }}<br /> <br /> The '''Marshes in the South''' were likely a collection of smaller marshes or one small marsh on the southern border of [[The Shire]].<br /> <br /> == Geography ==<br /> The Marshes in the South were likely on or near the [[River Brandywine]]. It is unknown if the Marshes in the South were multiple or one singluler marsh. They were also roughly 50 miles south of the [[North Moors]].<br /> <br /> == History ==</div>

Zeallsh https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Tolkien_Gateway:Sandbox&diff=365696 Tolkien Gateway:Sandbox 2022-12-30T19:56:58Z

<p>Zeallsh: </p> <hr /> <div>:''See also: '''[[Help: Editing]]'''''<br /> This is the '''Tolkien Gateway Sandbox''', for experimental edits and templates to practice using [[wikipedia:Wiki markup|wikitext]]. Please edit this page as much as you want instead of "testing" anywhere else. [[Category:Tolkien Gateway|{{PAGENAME}}]]<br /> ---- <br /> <br /> {{location infobox<br /> | name=Marshes in the South<br /> | image=<br /> | caption=<br /> | pronun=<br /> | othernames=Southern Marshes, South Marshes<br /> | location=Southern border of the [[Shire]], fifty miles south of the [[North Moors]]<br /> | type=Wetlands<br /> | description=<br /> | regions=<br /> | towns=<br /> | inhabitants=<br /> | created=before {{TA|1601}}<br /> | destroyed=<br /> | events=<br /> | gallery=<br /> }}<br /> <br /> The '''Marshes in the South''' were likely a collection of smaller marshes or one small marsh on the southern border of [[the shire]].<br /> <br /> == Geography ==<br /> The Marshes in the South were likely on or near the [[River Brandywine]]. It is unknown if the Marshes in the South were multiple or one singluler marsh. They were also roughly 50 miles south of the [[North Moors]].<br /> <br /> == History ==</div>

Zeallsh https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Tolkien_Gateway:Sandbox&diff=365695 Tolkien Gateway:Sandbox 2022-12-30T19:25:23Z

<p>Zeallsh: </p> <hr /> <div>:''See also: '''[[Help: Editing]]'''''<br /> This is the '''Tolkien Gateway Sandbox''', for experimental edits and templates to practice using [[wikipedia:Wiki markup|wikitext]]. Please edit this page as much as you want instead of "testing" anywhere else. [[Category:Tolkien Gateway|{{PAGENAME}}]]<br /> ---- <br /> <br /> {{location infobox<br /> | name=Marshes in the South<br /> | image=<br /> | caption=<br /> | pronun=<br /> | othernames=Southern Marshes, South Marshes<br /> | location=Southern border of the [[Shire]], fifty miles south of the [[North Moors]]<br /> | type=Wetlands<br /> | description=<br /> | regions=<br /> | towns=<br /> | inhabitants=<br /> | created=before {{TA|1601}}<br /> | destroyed=<br /> | events=<br /> | gallery=<br /> }}<br /> <br /> The '''Marshes in the South'''</div>

Zeallsh https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Tolkien_Gateway:Sandbox&diff=365694 Tolkien Gateway:Sandbox 2022-12-30T19:19:37Z

<p>Zeallsh: </p> <hr /> <div>:''See also: '''[[Help: Editing]]'''''<br /> This is the '''Tolkien Gateway Sandbox''', for experimental edits and templates to practice using [[wikipedia:Wiki markup|wikitext]]. Please edit this page as much as you want instead of "testing" anywhere else. [[Category:Tolkien Gateway|{{PAGENAME}}]]<br /> ---- <br /> <br /> {{location infobox<br /> | name=Marshes in the South<br /> | image=<br /> | caption=<br /> | pronun=<br /> | othernames=Southern Marshes, South Marshes<br /> | location=Southern border of the [[Shire]], fifty miles south of the [[North Moors]]<br /> | type=Wetlands<br /> | description=<br /> | regions=<br /> | towns=<br /> | inhabitants=<br /> | created=before {{TA|1601}}<br /> | destroyed=<br /> | events=<br /> | gallery=<br /> }}1<br /> 2<br /> 3</div>

Zeallsh https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Tolkien_Gateway:Sandbox&diff=365693 Tolkien Gateway:Sandbox 2022-12-30T19:04:00Z

<p>Zeallsh: </p> <hr /> <div>:''See also: '''[[Help: Editing]]'''''<br /> This is the '''Tolkien Gateway Sandbox''', for experimental edits and templates to practice using [[wikipedia:Wiki markup|wikitext]]. Please edit this page as much as you want instead of "testing" anywhere else. [[Category:Tolkien Gateway|{{PAGENAME}}]]<br /> ---- <br /> <br /> {{location infobox<br /> | name=Marshes in the South<br /> | image=<br /> | caption=<br /> | pronun=<br /> | othernames=Southern Marshes, South Marshes<br /> | location=Southern border of the [[Shire]], fifty miles south of the [[North Moors]]<br /> | type=Wetlands<br /> | description=<br /> | regions=<br /> | towns=<br /> | inhabitants=<br /> | created=before {{TA|1601}}<br /> | destroyed=<br /> | events=<br /> | gallery=<br /> }}</div>

Zeallsh https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Tolkien_Gateway:Sandbox&diff=365692 Tolkien Gateway:Sandbox 2022-12-30T19:02:18Z

<p>Zeallsh: </p> <hr /> <div>:''See also: '''[[Help: Editing]]'''''<br /> This is the '''Tolkien Gateway Sandbox''', for experimental edits and templates to practice using [[wikipedia:Wiki markup|wikitext]]. Please edit this page as much as you want instead of "testing" anywhere else. [[Category:Tolkien Gateway|{{PAGENAME}}]]<br /> ---- <br /> <br /> {{location infobox<br /> | name=Marshes in the South<br /> | image=<br /> | caption=test1<br /> | pronun=test2<br /> | othernames=Southern Marshes, South Marshes<br /> | location=Southern border of the [[Shire]], fifty miles south of the [[North Moors]]<br /> | type=Wetlands<br /> | description=<br /> | regions=<br /> | towns=<br /> | inhabitants=<br /> | created=before {{TA|1601}}<br /> | destroyed=<br /> | events=<br /> | gallery=<br /> }}</div>

Zeallsh https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Tolkien_Gateway:Sandbox&diff=365691 Tolkien Gateway:Sandbox 2022-12-30T19:01:01Z

<p>Zeallsh: </p> <hr /> <div>:''See also: '''[[Help: Editing]]'''''<br /> This is the '''Tolkien Gateway Sandbox''', for experimental edits and templates to practice using [[wikipedia:Wiki markup|wikitext]]. Please edit this page as much as you want instead of "testing" anywhere else. [[Category:Tolkien Gateway|{{PAGENAME}}]]<br /> ---- <br /> <br /> {{location infobox<br /> | name=Marshes in the South<br /> | image=<br /> | caption=<br /> | pronun=<br /> | othernames=Southern Marshes, South Marshes<br /> | location=Southern border of the [[Shire]], fifty miles south of the [[North Moors]]<br /> | type=Wetlands<br /> | description=<br /> | regions=<br /> | towns=<br /> | inhabitants=<br /> | created=before {{TA|1601}}<br /> | destroyed=<br /> | events=<br /> | gallery=<br /> }}</div>

Zeallsh https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Forums:South_Marshes&diff=365636 Forums:South Marshes 2022-12-30T05:03:04Z

<p>Zeallsh: </p> <hr /> <div>{{Counciltop}}<br /> <br /> <br /> Hello, I am Zeallsh and I am relatively new to having a Tolkien Gateway account although I have been reading without an account for a while now. I was reading [[The Shire]] page and in the geography section there is a compass labeled Boundaries of the Shire, pointing south it said South Marshes without a link (all of the other directions had links to their respective places). My first thought was that somebody just forgot to link it but after many searches, I could not find the marshes, even after looking in the [[Swamps|swamps category]]. I searched outside sources, and I believe that it isn't mentioned at all in the Lord of the Rings or the Hobbit apart from of course where it is referenced in the prolog Concerning Hobbits where it is referred to as "the marshes in the south". It briefly describes the borders of the shire, so why am I telling you this? well as a very new member I do not know if there is enough content for a page on the marshes (I suspect there is because there are pages on towns in the shire that are only ever mentioned in the [[A Part of the Shire|Part of the Shire]] Map) and, admittedly I do not know how to make any sort of a decent page on here. So, what do you think, should there be a page on these mysterious southern marshes (if you do feel free to make one and link it on this Forum) or do you think that there just isn't enough content on them? P.S. I would love to know if you can find any other mention of them in all of Tolkien's writings.</div>

Zeallsh https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Forums:South_Marshes&diff=365610 Forums:South Marshes 2022-12-30T03:44:10Z

<p>Zeallsh: Do you think that there should be an article on the "Southern Marshes" (the southern border of the shire) or is there not enough content, one brief mention (Can you find more mentions?).</p> <hr /> <div>{{Counciltop}}<br /> <br /> <br /> Hello, I am Zeallsh and I am relatively new to having a Tolkien Gateway account although I have been reading without an account for a while now. I was reading [[The Shire]] page and in the geography section there is a compass labeled Boundaries of the Shire, pointing south it said South Marshes without a link (all of the other directions had links to their respective places). My first thought was that somebody just forgot to link it but after many searches, I could not find the marshes, even after looking in the [[Category:Swamps|swamps category]]. I searched outside sources, and I believe that it isn't mentioned at all in the Lord of the Rings or the Hobbit apart from of course where it is referenced in the prolog Concerning Hobbits where it is referred to as "the marshes in the south". It briefly describes the borders of the shire, so why am I telling you this? well as a very new member I do not know if there is enough content for a page on the marshes (I suspect there is because there are pages on towns in the shire that are only ever mentioned in the [[A Part of the Shire|Part of the Shire]] Map) and, admittedly I do not know how to make any sort of a decent page on here. So, what do you think, should there be a page on these mysterious southern marshes (if you do feel free to make one and link it on this Forum) or do you think that there just isn't enough content on them? P.S. I would love to know if you can find any other mention of them in all of Tolkien's writings.</div>

Zeallsh https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Tolkien_Gateway:Sandbox&diff=365595 Tolkien Gateway:Sandbox 2022-12-30T00:01:33Z

<p>Zeallsh: </p> <hr /> <div>:''See also: '''[[Help: Editing]]'''''<br /> This is the '''Tolkien Gateway Sandbox''', for experimental edits and templates to practice using [[wikipedia:Wiki markup|wikitext]]. Please edit this page as much as you want instead of "testing" anywhere else. [[Category:Tolkien Gateway|{{PAGENAME}}]]<br /> ---- <br /> <br /> {{hobbit infobox<br /> | name=Test<br /> | image=<br /> | caption=<br /> | pronun=<br /> | othernames=test<br /> | titles=test<br /> | position=test<br /> | location=test<br /> | affiliation=test<br /> | language=test<br /> | birth=test<br /> | birthlocation=test<br /> | rule=test<br /> | death=test<br /> | deathlocation=test<br /> | age=test<br /> | notablefor=test<br /> | family=test<br /> | parentage=test<br /> | siblings=test<br /> | spouse=test<br /> | children=test<br /> | gender=test<br /> | height=test<br /> | hair=test<br /> | eyes=test<br /> | clothing=test<br /> | weapons=test<br /> | steed=test<br /> }}<br /> [[Bilbo Baggins]]<ref>Source</ref></div>

Zeallsh https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Tolkien_Gateway:Sandbox&diff=365594 Tolkien Gateway:Sandbox 2022-12-29T23:59:11Z

<p>Zeallsh: </p> <hr /> <div>:''See also: '''[[Help: Editing]]'''''<br /> This is the '''Tolkien Gateway Sandbox''', for experimental edits and templates to practice using [[wikipedia:Wiki markup|wikitext]]. Please edit this page as much as you want instead of "testing" anywhere else. [[Category:Tolkien Gateway|{{PAGENAME}}]]<br /> ---- <br /> <br /> {{hobbit infobox<br /> | name=Test<br /> | image=<br /> | caption=<br /> | pronun=test<br /> | othernames=test<br /> | location=test<br /> | type=test<br /> | description=test<br /> | regions=test<br /> | towns=test<br /> | inhabitants=test<br /> | created=test<br /> | destroyed=test<br /> | events=test<br /> }}<br /> [[Bilbo Baggins]]<ref>Source</ref></div>

Zeallsh https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Tolkien_Gateway:Sandbox&diff=365593 Tolkien Gateway:Sandbox 2022-12-29T23:58:07Z

<p>Zeallsh: </p> <hr /> <div>:''See also: '''[[Help: Editing]]'''''<br /> This is the '''Tolkien Gateway Sandbox''', for experimental edits and templates to practice using [[wikipedia:Wiki markup|wikitext]]. Please edit this page as much as you want instead of "testing" anywhere else. [[Category:Tolkien Gateway|{{PAGENAME}}]]<br /> ---- <br /> <br /> {{location infobox<br /> | name=Test<br /> | image=<br /> | caption=<br /> | pronun=test<br /> | othernames=test<br /> | location=test<br /> | type=test<br /> | description=test<br /> | regions=test<br /> | towns=test<br /> | inhabitants=test<br /> | created=test<br /> | destroyed=test<br /> | events=test<br /> }}<br /> [[Bilbo Baggins]]<ref>Source</ref></div>

Zeallsh https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Tolkien_Gateway:Sandbox&diff=365592 Tolkien Gateway:Sandbox 2022-12-29T23:54:34Z

<p>Zeallsh: </p> <hr /> <div>:''See also: '''[[Help: Editing]]'''''<br /> This is the '''Tolkien Gateway Sandbox''', for experimental edits and templates to practice using [[wikipedia:Wiki markup|wikitext]]. Please edit this page as much as you want instead of "testing" anywhere else. [[Category:Tolkien Gateway|{{PAGENAME}}]]<br /> ---- <br /> <br /> {{location infobox<br /> | name=Longbottom<br /> | image=[[File:Matěj Čadil - Longbottom.jpg|250px]]<br /> | caption="Longbottom" by [[:Category:Images by Matěj Čadil|Matěj Čadil]]<br /> | pronun=<br /> | othernames=<br /> | location=[[Southfarthing]], [[the Shire]]<br /> | type=Village/Town<br /> | description=<br /> | regions=<br /> | towns=<br /> | inhabitants=[[Hobbits]]<br /> | created=<br /> | destroyed=<br /> | events=[[Tobold Hornblower]] introduced [[pipe-weed]] in {{TA|2670}}<br /> }}<br /> [[Bilbo Baggins]]<ref>Source</ref></div>

Zeallsh https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Tolkien_Gateway:Sandbox&diff=365590 Tolkien Gateway:Sandbox 2022-12-29T23:51:16Z

<p>Zeallsh: </p> <hr /> <div>:''See also: '''[[Help: Editing]]'''''<br /> This is the '''Tolkien Gateway Sandbox''', for experimental edits and templates to practice using [[wikipedia:Wiki markup|wikitext]]. Please edit this page as much as you want instead of "testing" anywhere else. [[Category:Tolkien Gateway|{{PAGENAME}}]]<br /> ---- <br /> <br /> [[Bilbo Baggins]]<ref>Source</ref></div>

Zeallsh https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Tolkien_Gateway:Sandbox&diff=365588 Tolkien Gateway:Sandbox 2022-12-29T23:48:09Z

<p>Zeallsh: </p> <hr /> <div>:''See also: '''[[Help: Editing]]'''''<br /> This is the '''Tolkien Gateway Sandbox''', for experimental edits and templates to practice using [[wikipedia:Wiki markup|wikitext]]. Please edit this page as much as you want instead of "testing" anywhere else. [[Category:Tolkien Gateway|{{PAGENAME}}]]<br /> ---- <br /> <br /> [[Bilbo Baggins]]</div>

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