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| colspan="2" style="background:#e7d1a6; text-align:center" | '''First Age'''<br />
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| style="background: #F2E6CE; text-align: center;" | '''{{FA}}''' <br />
| style="background: #F2E6CE; text-align: center;" | '''Event'''<br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|1|n}} || '''The [[Moon]] first rises, followed by the [[Sun]].'''<br/>'''[[Awakening of Men]] in [[Hildórien]].'''<br/>Despite heavy losses, [[Fingolfin]] and his followers cross the [[Helcaraxë]] into [[Dor Daedeloth]], and reach the gates of [[Angband]].<br/>The [[Battle of the Lammoth]] is fought by [[Fingolfin]] and his host, and [[Argon]] is slain by [[Orcs]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|2|n}} || The host of [[Fingolfin]] camps beside [[Lake Mithrim]], across from the [[House of Fëanor]].<br/>[[Morgoth]] releases poisonous vapors from [[Angband]] which darken the sky.<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|5|n}} || [[Fingon]] rescues [[Maedhros]] from [[Thangorodrim]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|6|n}} || [[Thingol]] grants permission for the [[House of Finarfin]] to enter [[Doriath]], and for the [[Noldor]] to occupy the [[Northlands]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|7|n}} || The [[Noldor]] hold a council. The [[Sons of Fëanor]] relocate to [[East Beleriand]].<br/>[[Fingolfin]] becomes [[High King of the Noldor]] in [[Beleriand]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|20|n}} || The [[Mereth Aderthad|Feast of Mereth Aderthad]]; [[Mablung|Mablung of the heavy hand]] and [[Daeron]] sent from [[Doriath]] to attend.<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|50|n}} || [[Ulmo]] grants visions of hidden places to [[Finrod]] and [[Turgon]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|52|n}} || [[Nulukkizdîn]] discovered by [[Finrod]] and begins to construct [[Nargothrond]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|53|n}} || Hidden valley of [[Tumladen]] discovered by [[Turgon]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|60|n}} || '''[[Dagor Aglareb]] ("The Glorious Battle"), [[Siege of Angband]] begins.'''<br/>[[Minas Tirith (Beleriand)|Minas Tirith]] constructed.<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|64|n}} || [[Turgon]] removes his people from [[Nevrast]] to [[Tumladen]], construction of [[Gondolin]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|65|n}} || [[Brithombar]] and [[Eglarest]] constructed.<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|66|n}} || [[Thingol]] learns of the [[Silmarils]] from [[Galadriel]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|67|n}} || [[Thingol]] learns of the [[Kinslaying at Alqualondë]], [[Quenya]] forbidden in [[Beleriand]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|102|n}} || [[Nargothrond]] completed.<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|116|n}} || [[Gondolin]] completed.<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|150|n}} || [[Caranthir]] meets with the [[Dwarves of the Blue Mountains]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|155|n}} || [[Orcs]] from [[Lammoth]] attack [[Hithlum]].<br><br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|260|n}} || [[Glaurung]] defeated in [[Ard-galen]], [[Long Peace]] begins.<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|262|n}} || Birth of [[Bëor]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|282|n}} || Birth of [[Marach]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|289|n}} || Birth of [[Baran]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|292|n}} || Birth of [[Belen]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|307|n}} || Birth of [[Malach]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|310|n}} || '''[[Men]] of the [[House of Bëor]] enter [[Beleriand]] and are discovered by [[Finrod]].'''<br/>Birth of [[Imlach]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|311|n}} || [[Finrod]] leaves with [[Bëor]]. [[Baran]] leads the [[House of Bëor]].<br><br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|312|n}} || The [[Haladin]] enter [[Beleriand]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|313|n}} || [[Marach]] enters [[Beleriand]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|315|n}} || Births of [[Haldad]] and [[Boron]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|316|n}} || Birth of [[Beldir]], [[Aredhel]] leaves [[Gondolin]] and weds [[Eöl]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|317|n}} || Birth of [[Baranor (son of Baran)|Baranor]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|320|n}} || Birth of [[Maeglin]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|322|n}} || [[Malach]] settles in [[Hithlum]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|336|n}} || [[Malach]] leaves [[Hithlum]].<br><br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|337|n}} || Birth of [[Amlach]], [[Malach]] weds [[Zimrahin]].<br><br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|338|n}} || Birth of [[Boromir (Lord of Ladros)|Boromir]]<br><br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|339|n}} || Births of [[Adanel]] and [[Belemir]].<br><br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|340|n}} || Births of [[Bereg]] and [[Belegor]].<br><br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|341|n}} || Births of [[Magor]], [[Haleth]], and [[Haldar]].<br><br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|355|n}} || Death of [[Bëor]].<br><br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|359|n}} || Birth of [[Bregor]].<br><br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|361|n}} || Birth of [[Andreth]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|365|n}} || Births of [[Hathol]] and [[Beril]].<br><br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|366|n}} || Birth of [[Haldan]].<br><br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|369|n}} || [[Bereg]] leads a thousand people southwards.<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|374|n}} || Birth of [[Beren (son of Belemir)|Beren]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|375|n}} || [[Battle of the Gelion-Ascar Stockade]]. Deaths of [[Haldad]] and [[Haldar]].<br><br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|376|n}} || Death of [[Marach]].<br><br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|380|n}} || Death of [[Baran]].<br><br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|386|n}} || Birth of [[Bregil]].<br><br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|389|n}} || Birth of [[Hirwen]].<br><br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|390|n}} || Birth of [[Hador]] and [[Halmir]].<br><br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|393|n}} || Birth of [[Bregolas]].<br><br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|397|n}} || Birth of [[Gilwen]].<br><br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|398|n}} || Death of [[Malach]].<br><br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|400|n}} || '''[[Aredhel]] and [[Maeglin]] return to [[Gondolin]] and is secretly followed by [[Eöl]]. [[Eöl]] kills [[Aredhel]] and is then executed.'''<br/>Birth of [[Barahir]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|402|n}} || Battle of [[Pass of Aglon|Aglon]] Pass.<br><br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|405|n}} || [[Hador]] enters the service of [[Fingolfin]].<br><br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|406|n}} || Birth of [[Emeldir]].<br><br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|408|n}} || Death of [[Boron]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|409|n}} || Birth of [[Brandir (son of Arachon)|Brandir]], conversation of [[Finrod]] and [[Andreth]].<br><br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|410|n}} || [[Ladros]] is given to the [[House of Bëor]].<br><br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|411|n}} || Birth of [[Beldis]].<br><br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|414|n}} || Birth of [[Haldir (Chieftain of the Haladin)|Haldir]].<br><br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|415|n}} || Birth of [[Glóredhel]].<br><br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|416|n}} || The [[House of Hador]] is given the lands of [[Dor-lómin]] to dwell in.<br><br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|417|n}} || Birth of [[Galdor (Lord of Dor-lómin)|Galdor]] and [[Beleth]].<br><br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|418|n}} || Birth of [[Hundar]].<br><br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|419|n}} || Birth of [[Gundor]].<br><br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|420|n}} || Death of [[Haleth]]. Birth of [[Hareth]] and [[Baragund]]. [[Hador]] dwells in [[Hithlum]].<br><br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|422|n}} || [[Forest of Brethil]] given to the [[House of Haleth]]. [[Belegund]] born.<br><br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|432|n}} || Birth of [[Beren|Beren Erchamion]], death of [[Boromir (Lord of Ladros)|Boromir]].<br><br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|436|n}} || [[Galdor (Lord of Dor-lómin)|Galdor]] weds [[Hareth]].<br><br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|441|n}} || Birth of [[Húrin]] and [[Handir]].<br><br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|443|n}} || Birth of [[Morwen]] and [[Hunleth]].<br><br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|444|n}} || Birth of [[Huor]].<br><br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|447|n}} || Birth of [[Hundad]].<br><br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|448|n}} || Death of [[Bregor]].<br><br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|450|n}} || Birth of [[Rían]].<br><br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|451|n}} || Death of [[Haldan]].<br><br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|455|n}} || '''[[Morgoth]] breaks the [[Siege of Angband]], [[Dagor Bragollach]] ("Battle of Sudden Flame").''' Deaths of [[Fingolfin]], [[Angrod]], [[Aegnor]], [[Hador]], [[Gundor]], and [[Bregolas]], [[Fingon]] becomes [[High King of the Noldor]], [[Gil-galad]] sent to the [[Falas]]<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|456|n}} || '''Death of [[Fingolfin]] in single combat with [[Morgoth]].'''<br/>Death of [[Gundor]].<br/>[[Emeldir]], wife of [[Barahir]], leads [[House of Bëor|their people]] out of [[Dorthonion]] to [[Brethil]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|457|n}} || [[Sauron]] captures [[Minas Tirith (Beleriand)|Minas Tirith]], [[Húrin]] and [[Huor]] depart [[Gondolin]]. [[Barahir]] and his outlaws in [[Dorthonion]], [[Orcs]] defeated in the [[Forest of Brethil]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|458|n}} || [[Húrin]] and [[Huor]] enter [[Gondolin]].<br><br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|459|n}} || [[Húrin]] and [[Huor]] leave [[Gondolin]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|460|n}} || Deaths of [[Barahir]], [[Belegund]], [[Baragund]], and all the outlaws save [[Beren|Beren Erchamion]].<br><br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|462|n}} || Death of [[Galdor (Lord of Dor-lómin)|Galdor]]. [[Orcs]] invade [[Beleriand]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|463|n}} || [[Easterlings]] swear false loyalty to [[Maedhros]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|464|n}} || Birth of [[Túrin]]. '''[[Beren]] leaves [[Dorthonion]] and meets [[Lúthien]] in the forest of Doriath.'''<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|465|n}} || Birth of [[Brandir]]. '''[[Quest for the Silmaril]]. Death of [[Finrod]].'''<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|466|n}} || Birth of [[Lalaith]]. '''[[Silmaril]] taken from [[Morgoth]]; Beren loses his hand to [[Carcharoth]]; the [[Hunting of the Wolf]]; first death of [[Beren|Beren Erchamion]].'''<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|467|n}} || '''First death of [[Lúthien]]. Lúthien sings [[Beren]] back from [[Mandos]].'''<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|468|n}} || Birth of [[Hunthor]], [[Thingol]] refuses to join the [[Union of Maedhros]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|469|n}} || Death of [[Lalaith]]. [[Orcs]] driven from [[Beleriand]]. [[Beren]] and [[Lúthien]] return to [[Middle-earth]].<br><br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|470|n}} || Births of [[Dior]] and [[Hardang]].<br><br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|471|n}} || Death of [[Halmir]], [[Huor]] weds [[Rían]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|472|n}} || '''[[Nirnaeth Arnoediad]] ("Battle of Unnumbered Tears"), [[Year of Lamentation]].''' Birth of [[Tuor]]. Deaths of [[Fingon]], [[Huor]], [[Glóredhel]], [[Azaghâl]], [[Haldir (Chieftain of the Haladin)|Haldir]], [[Hundar]] and [[Rían]]. [[Turgon]] becomes [[High King of the Noldor]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|473|n}} || Birth of [[Nienor]], [[Túrin]] sent to [[Doriath]]. Fall of the [[Falas]], [[Brithombar]] and [[Eglarest]] ruined, [[Gil-galad]] and [[Cirdan]] flee to Balar. [[Havens of Sirion]] constructed.<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|481|n}} || [[Túrin]] and [[Beleg]] in [[Doriath]].<br><br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|484|n}} || Death of [[Saeros]], [[Túrin]] leaves [[Doriath]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|485|n}} || [[Túrin]] kills [[Forweg]] and becomes leader of the [[Gaurwaith]].<br><br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|486|n}} || '''[[Túrin]] and the outlaws encounter [[Mim]] and make their home on [[Amon Rûdh]] as the [[House of Ransom]].'''<br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|487|n}} || [[Túrin]] an outlaw on [[Amon Rûdh]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|488|n}} || [[Tuor]] enslaved.<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|489|n}} || [[Túrin]] and [[Beleg]] on [[Amon Rûdh]], death of [[Beleg]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|490|n}} || [[Gwindor]] leads [[Túrin]] to [[Nargothrond]], [[Túrin]] becomes captain of [[Nargothrond]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|491|n}} || [[Tuor]] escapes and becomes an outlaw.<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|494|n}} || [[Morwen]] and [[Nienor]] flee to [[Doriath]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|495|n}} || Battle of the [[Crossings of the Taeglin]], [[Battle of Tumhalad]], [[Tuor]] comes to [[Nevrast]]. '''[[Sack of Nargothrond]] by [[Glaurung]].''' Deaths of [[Finduilas]], [[Orodreth]], [[Gwindor]], and [[Handir]].<br> <br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|496|n}} || [[Túrin]] comes to [[Brethil]]. <br/>'''[[Tuor]] comes to [[Gondolin]].'''<br/>[[Morwen|Morwen Eledhwen]] and [[Nienor]] leave [[Doriath]] seeking [[Túrin]]; Nienor loses memory, is found by the [[Men of Brethil]], and is given the name [[Níniel]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|497|n}} || [[Dior]] weds [[Nimloth of Doriath|Nimloth]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|498|n}} || [[Túrin]] weds [[Níniel]].<br><br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|499|n}} || '''Deaths of [[Glaurung]], [[Brandir]], [[Hunthor]], [[Nienor]] and [[Túrin]].'''<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|500|n}} || [[Eluréd]] and [[Elurín]] born. Release of [[Húrin]]. Death of [[Morwen]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|501|n}} || '''[[Húrin]] comes to [[Doriath]].''' Deaths of [[Húrin]] and [[Hardang]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|502|n}} || '''[[Dwarves of Nogrod]] set the Silmaril in the [[Nauglamír]], death of [[Thingol]], [[Melian]] returns to [[Valinor]].'''<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|503|n}} || Births of [[Eärendil]] and [[Elwing]]. '''[[Battle of the Thousand Caves]], [[Battle of Sarn Athrad]]; death of [[Mablung| Mablung of the heavy hand]]; [[Lúthien]] wears the [[Silmaril]]. [[Dior]] and his family come to [[Menegroth]]. Final deaths of [[Beren]] and [[Lúthien]]. Dior receives the [[Nauglamír]] and [[Silmaril]].'''<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|505|n}} || Demand made for the Silmaril.<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|506|n}} || '''[[Second Kinslaying]] at [[Menegroth]].'''<br/>Deaths of [[Dior]], [[Nimloth of Doriath|Nimloth]], [[Celegorm]], [[Curufin]], and [[Caranthir]]. [[Eluréd]] and [[Elurín]] are abandoned to die.<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|507|n}} || [[Elwing]] comes to the [[Havens of Sirion]] with the [[Silmaril]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|509|n}} || [[Maeglin]] captured and tortured.<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|510|n}} || '''[[Fall of Gondolin]]. Deaths of [[Turgon]], [[Ecthelion]], [[Glorfindel]], [[Maeglin]], and [[Gothmog (balrog)|Gothmog]].'''<br>[[Gil-galad|Ereinion Gil-galad]] becomes [[High King of the Noldor]]<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|511|n}} || [[Gondolin]] refugees arrive at the [[Havens of Sirion]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|512|n}} || [[Maedhros]] learns a [[Silmaril]] is at the [[Havens of Sirion]], but forswears the [[Oath of Fëanor]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|525|n}} || [[Eärendil]] weds [[Elwing]], [[Tuor]] and [[Idril]] depart for [[Valinor]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|527|n}} || The remaining [[Sons of Fëanor]] – [[Maedhros]], [[Maglor]], [[Amrod]], and [[Amras]] – begin to feel tormented by their [[Oath of Fëanor|unfulfilled oath]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|532|n}} || Births of [[Elrond]] and [[Elros]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|534|n}} || [[Eärendil]] searchs for [[Valinor]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|538|n}} || '''[[Third Kinslaying]] at the [[Havens of Sirion]]. Deaths of [[Amrod]] and [[Amras]]. [[Elrond]] and [[Elros]] are taken captive by [[Maglor]]. [[Elwing]] escapes with the [[Silmaril]] into the [[Belegaer|Sea]]. [[Ulmo]] gives her the form of a white bird and she reunites with [[Eärendil]] aboard [[Vingilótë]].'''<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|540|n}} || [[Morgoth]] controls all of [[Beleriand]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|542|n}} || '''[[Eärendil]] and [[Elwing]] come to [[Valinor]].'''<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|545|n}} || [[Host of Valinor]] lands in [[Beleriand]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|587|n}} || '''Destruction of [[Beleriand]].''' Deaths of [[Ancalagon]] and [[Maedhros]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|590|n}} || '''[[Morgoth]] thrust from [[Arda]].''' [[Host of Valinor]] departs [[Middle-earth]].<br />
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| colspan="2" style="background:#e7d1a6; text-align:center" | '''First Age'''<br />
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| style="background: #F2E6CE; text-align: center;" | '''{{FA}}''' <br />
| style="background: #F2E6CE; text-align: center;" | '''Event'''<br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|1|n}} || '''The [[Moon]] first rises, followed by the [[Sun]].'''<br/>'''[[Awakening of Men]] in [[Hildórien]].'''<br/>Despite heavy losses, [[Fingolfin]] and his followers cross the [[Helcaraxë]] into [[Dor Daedeloth]], and reach the gates of [[Angband]].<br/>The [[Battle of the Lammoth]] is fought by [[Fingolfin]] and his host, and [[Argon]] is slain by [[Orcs]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|2|n}} || The host of [[Fingolfin]] camps beside [[Lake Mithrim]], across from the [[House of Fëanor]].<br/>[[Morgoth]] releases poisonous vapors from [[Angband]] which darken the sky.<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|5|n}} || [[Fingon]] rescues [[Maedhros]] from [[Thangorodrim]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|6|n}} || [[Thingol]] grants permission for the [[House of Finarfin]] to enter [[Doriath]], and for the [[Noldor]] to occupy the [[Northlands]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|7|n}} || The [[Noldor]] hold a council. The [[Sons of Fëanor]] relocate to [[East Beleriand]].<br/>[[Fingolfin]] becomes [[High King of the Noldor]] in [[Beleriand]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|20|n}} || The [[Mereth Aderthad|Feast of Mereth Aderthad]]; [[Mablung|Mablung of the heavy hand]] and [[Daeron]] sent from [[Doriath]] to attend.<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|50|n}} || [[Ulmo]] grants visions of hidden places to [[Finrod]] and [[Turgon]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|52|n}} || [[Nulukkizdîn]] discovered by [[Finrod]] and begins to construct [[Nargothrond]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|53|n}} || Hidden valley of [[Tumladen]] discovered by [[Turgon]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|60|n}} || '''[[Dagor Aglareb]] ("The Glorious Battle"), [[Siege of Angband]] begins.'''<br/>[[Minas Tirith (Beleriand)|Minas Tirith]] constructed.<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|64|n}} || [[Turgon]] removes his people from [[Nevrast]] to [[Tumladen]], construction of [[Gondolin]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|65|n}} || [[Brithombar]] and [[Eglarest]] constructed.<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|66|n}} || [[Thingol]] learns of the [[Silmarils]] from [[Galadriel]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|67|n}} || [[Thingol]] learns of the [[Kinslaying at Alqualondë]], [[Quenya]] forbidden in [[Beleriand]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|102|n}} || [[Nargothrond]] completed.<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|116|n}} || [[Gondolin]] completed.<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|150|n}} || [[Caranthir]] meets with the [[Dwarves of the Blue Mountains]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|155|n}} || [[Orcs]] from [[Lammoth]] attack [[Hithlum]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|260|n}} || [[Glaurung]] defeated in [[Ard-galen]], [[Long Peace]] begins.<br><br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|262|n}} || Birth of [[Bëor]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|282|n}} || Birth of [[Marach]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|289|n}} || Birth of [[Baran]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|292|n}} || Birth of [[Belen]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|307|n}} || Birth of [[Malach]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|310|n}} || '''[[Men]] of the [[House of Bëor]] enter [[Beleriand]] and are discovered by [[Finrod]].'''<br/>Birth of [[Imlach]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|311|n}} || [[Finrod]] leaves with [[Bëor]]. [[Baran]] leads the [[House of Bëor]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|312|n}} || The [[Haladin]] enter [[Beleriand]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|313|n}} || [[Marach]] enters [[Beleriand]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|315|n}} || Births of [[Haldad]] and [[Boron]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|316|n}} || Birth of [[Beldir]], [[Aredhel]] leaves [[Gondolin]] and weds [[Eöl]].<br><br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|317|n}} || Birth of [[Baranor (son of Baran)|Baranor]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|320|n}} || Birth of [[Maeglin]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|322|n}} || [[Malach]] settles in [[Hithlum]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|336|n}} || [[Malach]] leaves [[Hithlum]].<br><br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|337|n}} || Birth of [[Amlach]], [[Malach]] weds [[Zimrahin]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|338|n}} || Birth of [[Boromir (Lord of Ladros)|Boromir]]<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|339|n}} || Births of [[Adanel]] and [[Belemir]].<br><br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|340|n}} || Births of [[Bereg]] and [[Belegor]].<br><br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|341|n}} || Births of [[Magor]], [[Haleth]], and [[Haldar]].<br><br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|355|n}} || Death of [[Bëor]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|359|n}} || Birth of [[Bregor]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|361|n}} || Birth of [[Andreth]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|365|n}} || Births of [[Hathol]] and [[Beril]].<br><br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|366|n}} || Birth of [[Haldan]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|369|n}} || [[Bereg]] leads a thousand people southwards.<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|374|n}} || Birth of [[Beren (son of Belemir)|Beren]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|375|n}} || [[Battle of the Gelion-Ascar Stockade]]. Deaths of [[Haldad]] and [[Haldar]].<br><br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|376|n}} || Death of [[Marach]].<br><br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|380|n}} || Death of [[Baran]].<br><br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|386|n}} || Birth of [[Bregil]].<br><br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|389|n}} || Birth of [[Hirwen]].<br><br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|390|n}} || Birth of [[Hador]] and [[Halmir]].<br><br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|393|n}} || Birth of [[Bregolas]].<br><br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|397|n}} || Birth of [[Gilwen]].<br><br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|398|n}} || Death of [[Malach]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|400|n}} || '''[[Aredhel]] and [[Maeglin]] return to [[Gondolin]] and is secretly followed by [[Eöl]]. [[Eöl]] kills [[Aredhel]] and is then executed.'''<br/>Birth of [[Barahir]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|402|n}} || Battle of [[Pass of Aglon|Aglon]] Pass.<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|405|n}} || [[Hador]] enters the service of [[Fingolfin]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|406|n}} || Birth of [[Emeldir]].<br><br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|408|n}} || Death of [[Boron]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|409|n}} || Birth of [[Brandir (son of Arachon)|Brandir]], conversation of [[Finrod]] and [[Andreth]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|410|n}} || [[Ladros]] is given to the [[House of Bëor]].<br><br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|411|n}} || Birth of [[Beldis]].<br><br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|414|n}} || Birth of [[Haldir (Chieftain of the Haladin)|Haldir]].<br><br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|415|n}} || Birth of [[Glóredhel]].<br><br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|416|n}} || The [[House of Hador]] is given the lands of [[Dor-lómin]] to dwell in.<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|417|n}} || Birth of [[Galdor (Lord of Dor-lómin)|Galdor]] and [[Beleth]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|418|n}} || Birth of [[Hundar]].<br><br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|419|n}} || Birth of [[Gundor]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|420|n}} || Death of [[Haleth]]. Birth of [[Hareth]] and [[Baragund]]. [[Hador]] dwells in [[Hithlum]].<br><br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|422|n}} || [[Forest of Brethil]] given to the [[House of Haleth]]. [[Belegund]] born.<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|432|n}} || Birth of [[Beren|Beren Erchamion]], death of [[Boromir (Lord of Ladros)|Boromir]].<br><br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|436|n}} || [[Galdor (Lord of Dor-lómin)|Galdor]] weds [[Hareth]].<br><br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|441|n}} || Birth of [[Húrin]] and [[Handir]].<br><br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|443|n}} || Birth of [[Morwen]] and [[Hunleth]].<br><br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|444|n}} || Birth of [[Huor]].<br><br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|447|n}} || Birth of [[Hundad]].<br><br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|448|n}} || Death of [[Bregor]].<br><br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|450|n}} || Birth of [[Rían]].<br><br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|451|n}} || Death of [[Haldan]].<br><br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|455|n}} || '''[[Morgoth]] breaks the [[Siege of Angband]], [[Dagor Bragollach]] ("Battle of Sudden Flame").''' Deaths of [[Fingolfin]], [[Angrod]], [[Aegnor]], [[Hador]], [[Gundor]], and [[Bregolas]], [[Fingon]] becomes [[High King of the Noldor]], [[Gil-galad]] sent to the [[Falas]]<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|456|n}} || '''Death of [[Fingolfin]] in single combat with [[Morgoth]].'''<br/>Death of [[Gundor]].<br/>[[Emeldir]], wife of [[Barahir]], leads [[House of Bëor|their people]] out of [[Dorthonion]] to [[Brethil]].<br><br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|457|n}} || [[Sauron]] captures [[Minas Tirith (Beleriand)|Minas Tirith]], [[Húrin]] and [[Huor]] depart [[Gondolin]]. [[Barahir]] and his outlaws in [[Dorthonion]], [[Orcs]] defeated in the [[Forest of Brethil]].<br><br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|458|n}} || [[Húrin]] and [[Huor]] enter [[Gondolin]].<br><br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|459|n}} || [[Húrin]] and [[Huor]] leave [[Gondolin]].<br><br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|460|n}} || Deaths of [[Barahir]], [[Belegund]], [[Baragund]], and all the outlaws save [[Beren|Beren Erchamion]].<br><br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|462|n}} || Death of [[Galdor (Lord of Dor-lómin)|Galdor]]. [[Orcs]] invade [[Beleriand]].<br><br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|463|n}} || [[Easterlings]] swear false loyalty to [[Maedhros]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|464|n}} || Birth of [[Túrin]]. '''[[Beren]] leaves [[Dorthonion]] and meets [[Lúthien]] in the forest of Doriath.'''<br><br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|465|n}} || Birth of [[Brandir]]. '''[[Quest for the Silmaril]]. Death of [[Finrod]].'''<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|466|n}} || Birth of [[Lalaith]]. '''[[Silmaril]] taken from [[Morgoth]]; Beren loses his hand to [[Carcharoth]]; the [[Hunting of the Wolf]]; first death of [[Beren|Beren Erchamion]].'''<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|467|n}} || '''First death of [[Lúthien]]. Lúthien sings [[Beren]] back from [[Mandos]].'''<br><br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|468|n}} || Birth of [[Hunthor]], [[Thingol]] refuses to join the [[Union of Maedhros]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|469|n}} || Death of [[Lalaith]]. [[Orcs]] driven from [[Beleriand]]. [[Beren]] and [[Lúthien]] return to [[Middle-earth]].<br><br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|470|n}} || Births of [[Dior]] and [[Hardang]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|471|n}} || Death of [[Halmir]], [[Huor]] weds [[Rían]].<br><br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|472|n}} || '''[[Nirnaeth Arnoediad]] ("Battle of Unnumbered Tears"), [[Year of Lamentation]].''' Birth of [[Tuor]]. Deaths of [[Fingon]], [[Huor]], [[Glóredhel]], [[Azaghâl]], [[Haldir (Chieftain of the Haladin)|Haldir]], [[Hundar]] and [[Rían]]. [[Turgon]] becomes [[High King of the Noldor]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|473|n}} || Birth of [[Nienor]], [[Túrin]] sent to [[Doriath]]. Fall of the [[Falas]], [[Brithombar]] and [[Eglarest]] ruined, [[Gil-galad]] and [[Cirdan]] flee to Balar. [[Havens of Sirion]] constructed.<br><br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|481|n}} || [[Túrin]] and [[Beleg]] in [[Doriath]].<br><br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|484|n}} || Death of [[Saeros]], [[Túrin]] leaves [[Doriath]].<br><br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|485|n}} || [[Túrin]] kills [[Forweg]] and becomes leader of the [[Gaurwaith]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|486|n}} || '''[[Túrin]] and the outlaws encounter [[Mim]] and make their home on [[Amon Rûdh]] as the [[House of Ransom]].'''<br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|487|n}} || [[Túrin]] an outlaw on [[Amon Rûdh]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|488|n}} || [[Tuor]] enslaved.<br><br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|489|n}} || [[Túrin]] and [[Beleg]] on [[Amon Rûdh]], death of [[Beleg]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|490|n}} || [[Gwindor]] leads [[Túrin]] to [[Nargothrond]], [[Túrin]] becomes captain of [[Nargothrond]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|491|n}} || [[Tuor]] escapes and becomes an outlaw.<br><br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|494|n}} || [[Morwen]] and [[Nienor]] flee to [[Doriath]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|495|n}} || Battle of the [[Crossings of the Taeglin]], [[Battle of Tumhalad]], [[Tuor]] comes to [[Nevrast]]. '''[[Sack of Nargothrond]] by [[Glaurung]].''' Deaths of [[Finduilas]], [[Orodreth]], [[Gwindor]], and [[Handir]].<br> <br/>'''[[Tuor]] comes to [[Gondolin]].'''<br/><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|496|n}} || [[Túrin]] comes to [[Brethil]]. [[Morwen|Morwen Eledhwen]] and [[Nienor]] leave [[Doriath]] seeking [[Túrin]]; Nienor loses memory, is found by the [[Men of Brethil]], and is given the name [[Níniel]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|497|n}} || [[Dior]] weds [[Nimloth of Doriath|Nimloth]].<br><br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|498|n}} || [[Túrin]] weds [[Níniel]].<br><br />
|-<br />
| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|499|n}} || '''Deaths of [[Glaurung]], [[Brandir]], [[Hunthor]], [[Nienor]] and [[Túrin]].'''<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|500|n}} || [[Eluréd]] and [[Elurín]] born. Release of [[Húrin]]. Death of [[Morwen]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|501|n}} || '''[[Húrin]] comes to [[Doriath]].''' Deaths of [[Húrin]] and [[Hardang]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|502|n}} || '''[[Dwarves of Nogrod]] set the Silmaril in the [[Nauglamír]], death of [[Thingol]], [[Melian]] returns to [[Valinor]].'''<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|503|n}} || Births of [[Eärendil]] and [[Elwing]]. '''[[Battle of the Thousand Caves]], [[Battle of Sarn Athrad]]; death of [[Mablung| Mablung of the heavy hand]]; [[Lúthien]] wears the [[Silmaril]]. [[Dior]] and his family come to [[Menegroth]]. Final deaths of [[Beren]] and [[Lúthien]]. Dior receives the [[Nauglamír]] and [[Silmaril]].'''<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|505|n}} || Demand made for the Silmaril.<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|506|n}} || '''[[Second Kinslaying]] at [[Menegroth]].'''<br/>Deaths of [[Dior]], [[Nimloth of Doriath|Nimloth]], [[Celegorm]], [[Curufin]], and [[Caranthir]]. [[Eluréd]] and [[Elurín]] are abandoned to die.<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|507|n}} || [[Elwing]] comes to the [[Havens of Sirion]] with the [[Silmaril]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|509|n}} || [[Maeglin]] captured and tortured.<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|510|n}} || '''[[Fall of Gondolin]]. Deaths of [[Turgon]], [[Ecthelion]], [[Glorfindel]], [[Maeglin]], and [[Gothmog (balrog)|Gothmog]].'''<br>[[Gil-galad|Ereinion Gil-galad]] becomes [[High King of the Noldor]]<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|511|n}} || [[Gondolin]] refugees arrive at the [[Havens of Sirion]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|512|n}} || [[Maedhros]] learns a [[Silmaril]] is at the [[Havens of Sirion]], but forswears the [[Oath of Fëanor]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|525|n}} || [[Eärendil]] weds [[Elwing]], [[Tuor]] and [[Idril]] depart for [[Valinor]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|527|n}} || The remaining [[Sons of Fëanor]] – [[Maedhros]], [[Maglor]], [[Amrod]], and [[Amras]] – begin to feel tormented by their [[Oath of Fëanor|unfulfilled oath]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|532|n}} || Births of [[Elrond]] and [[Elros]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|534|n}} || [[Eärendil]] searchs for [[Valinor]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|538|n}} || '''[[Third Kinslaying]] at the [[Havens of Sirion]]. Deaths of [[Amrod]] and [[Amras]]. [[Elrond]] and [[Elros]] are taken captive by [[Maglor]]. [[Elwing]] escapes with the [[Silmaril]] into the [[Belegaer|Sea]]. [[Ulmo]] gives her the form of a white bird and she reunites with [[Eärendil]] aboard [[Vingilótë]].'''<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|540|n}} || [[Morgoth]] controls all of [[Beleriand]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|542|n}} || '''[[Eärendil]] and [[Elwing]] come to [[Valinor]].'''<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|545|n}} || [[Host of Valinor]] lands in [[Beleriand]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|587|n}} || '''Destruction of [[Beleriand]].''' Deaths of [[Ancalagon]] and [[Maedhros]].<br><br />
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| style="text-align: right;" | {{FA|590|n}} || '''[[Morgoth]] thrust from [[Arda]].''' [[Host of Valinor]] departs [[Middle-earth]].<br />
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The timeline on this website assumes that the Cirth were invented in 1300 and that Daeron improved them in 1350. I believed this scenario for quite a while now, and I believe most articles follow it as well, for instance the one on the Certhas Daeron, but I would be interested in seeing the original source. I assumed it would be said in the Grey Annals, but I could find no statement there to back the scenario up; quite the opposite in fact: in the Grey Annals, there is no mention of the Cirth being ever renewed during the Old Sindarin period and instead it is portrayed as if they were invented some time between 1350 and 1495.<br />
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So, do any of you know a source stating when the Cirth were invented and when they were updated? {{Unsigned|Faenor}}<br />
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:Check ''Annals of Aman'', note on §85. Also ''Grey Annals'', note on §31. If the Runes were invented in {{YT|1300}} and the Dwarves adopted them {{YT|1350}}, it is quite pertinent to deduce they were already improved. It is true that the sources do not explicitly give the date of update, but the idea is having a coherence in the Timeline. --[[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] 19:35, 9 August 2020 (UTC)<br />
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::in the notes §85 and §86 of the Annals of Aman I find no mention of the Cirth, but only of the wedding of Earwen and the arrival of the Nandor. And note §31 of the Grey Annals deals with the time after the Nandors' arrival (in 1350) and says that in that time the Cirth were invented. Am I having an outdated form of the script? I've read WJ13/14 and Morgoth's Ring page 91. [[User:Faenor|Faenor]] 14:53, 10 August 2020 (UTC)<br />
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:::The notes are not the same as the paragraphs, but the commentary made by Christopher. MR p.106 and WJ p.110. --[[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] 15:51, 10 August 2020 (UTC)<br />
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::::Ah, I see. Thanks a lot! One more thing though: WJ/110 says the runes were invented at an unspecified time before 1300, whereas MR/106 says it was exactly in 1300. Do we know which note Tolkien wrote last? I thought the Grey Annals and the Annals of Aman were written at about the same time and should thus not be likely to contradict one another... [[User:Faenor|Faenor]] 14:41, 11 August 2020 (UTC)</div>Faenorhttps://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Forums:Invention_of_the_Cirth&diff=317512Forums:Invention of the Cirth2020-08-11T14:42:39Z<p>Faenor: </p>
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The timeline on this website assumes that the Cirth were invented in 1300 and that Daeron improved them in 1350. I believed this scenario for quite a while now, and I believe most articles follow it as well, for instance the one on the Certhas Daeron, but I would be interested in seeing the original source. I assumed it would be said in the Grey Annals, but I could find no statement there to back the scenario up; quite the opposite in fact: in the Grey Annals, there is no mention of the Cirth being ever renewed during the Old Sindarin period and instead it is portrayed as if they were invented some time between 1350 and 1495.<br />
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So, do any of you know a source stating when the Cirth were invented and when they were updated? {{Unsigned|Faenor}}<br />
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:Check ''Annals of Aman'', note on §85. Also ''Grey Annals'', note on §31. If the Runes were invented in {{YT|1300}} and the Dwarves adopted them {{YT|1350}}, it is quite pertinent to deduce they were already improved. It is true that the sources do not explicitly give the date of update, but the idea is having a coherence in the Timeline. --[[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] 19:35, 9 August 2020 (UTC)<br />
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::in the notes §85 and §86 of the Annals of Aman I find no mention of the Cirth, but only of the wedding of Earwen and the arrival of the Nandor. And note §31 of the Grey Annals deals with the time after the Nandors' arrival (in 1350) and says that in that time the Cirth were invented. Am I having an outdated form of the script? I've read WJ13/14 and Morgoth's Ring page 91. [[User:Faenor|Faenor]] 14:53, 10 August 2020 (UTC)<br />
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:::The notes are not the same as the paragraphs, but the commentary made by Christopher. MR p.106 and WJ p.110. --[[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] 15:51, 10 August 2020 (UTC)<br />
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::::Ah, I see. Thanks a lot! One more thing though: WJ/110 says the runes were invented at an unspecified time before 1300, whereas MR/106 says it was exactly in 1300. Do we know which note Tolkien wrote last? I thought the Grey Annals and the Annals of Aman were written at about the same time ... [[User:Faenor|Faenor]] 14:41, 11 August 2020 (UTC)</div>Faenorhttps://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Forums:Invention_of_the_Cirth&diff=317511Forums:Invention of the Cirth2020-08-11T14:41:59Z<p>Faenor: </p>
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The timeline on this website assumes that the Cirth were invented in 1300 and that Daeron improved them in 1350. I believed this scenario for quite a while now, and I believe most articles follow it as well, for instance the one on the Certhas Daeron, but I would be interested in seeing the original source. I assumed it would be said in the Grey Annals, but I could find no statement there to back the scenario up; quite the opposite in fact: in the Grey Annals, there is no mention of the Cirth being ever renewed during the Old Sindarin period and instead it is portrayed as if they were invented some time between 1350 and 1495.<br />
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So, do any of you know a source stating when the Cirth were invented and when they were updated? {{Unsigned|Faenor}}<br />
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:Check ''Annals of Aman'', note on §85. Also ''Grey Annals'', note on §31. If the Runes were invented in {{YT|1300}} and the Dwarves adopted them {{YT|1350}}, it is quite pertinent to deduce they were already improved. It is true that the sources do not explicitly give the date of update, but the idea is having a coherence in the Timeline. --[[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] 19:35, 9 August 2020 (UTC)<br />
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::in the notes §85 and §86 of the Annals of Aman I find no mention of the Cirth, but only of the wedding of Earwen and the arrival of the Nandor. And note §31 of the Grey Annals deals with the time after the Nandors' arrival (in 1350) and says that in that time the Cirth were invented. Am I having an outdated form of the script? I've read WJ13/14 and Morgoth's Ring page 91. [[User:Faenor|Faenor]] 14:53, 10 August 2020 (UTC)<br />
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:::The notes are not the same as the paragraphs, but the commentary made by Christopher. MR p.106 and WJ p.110. --[[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] 15:51, 10 August 2020 (UTC)<br />
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Ah, I see. Thanks a lot! One more thing though: WJ/110 says the runes were invented at an unspecified time before 1300, whereas MR/106 says it was exactly in 1300. Do we know which note Tolkien wrote last? I thought the Grey Annals and the Annals of Aman were written at about the same time ... [[User:Faenor|Faenor]] 14:41, 11 August 2020 (UTC)</div>Faenorhttps://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Forums:Invention_of_the_Cirth&diff=317490Forums:Invention of the Cirth2020-08-10T15:02:40Z<p>Faenor: </p>
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The timeline on this website assumes that the Cirth were invented in 1300 and that Daeron improved them in 1350. I believed this scenario for quite a while now, and I believe most articles follow it as well, for instance the one on the Certhas Daeron, but I would be interested in seeing the original source. I assumed it would be said in the Grey Annals, but I could find no statement there to back the scenario up; quite the opposite in fact: in the Grey Annals, there is no mention of the Cirth being ever renewed during the Old Sindarin period and instead it is portrayed as if they were invented some time between 1350 and 1495.<br />
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So, do any of you know a source stating when the Cirth were invented and when they were updated? {{Unsigned|Faenor}}<br />
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:Check ''Annals of Aman'', note on §85. Also ''Grey Annals'', note on §31. If the Runes were invented in {{YT|1300}} and the Dwarves adopted them {{YT|1350}}, it is quite pertinent to deduce they were already improved. It is true that the sources do not explicitly give the date of update, but the idea is having a coherence in the Timeline. --[[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] 19:35, 9 August 2020 (UTC)<br />
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in the notes §85 and §86 of the Annals of Aman I find no mention of the Cirth, but only of the wedding of Earwen and the arrival of the Nandor. And note §31 of the Grey Annals deals with the time after the Nandors' arrival (in 1350) and says that in that time the Cirth were invented. Am I having an outdated form of the script? I've read WJ13/14 and Morgoth's Ring page 91. [[User:Faenor|Faenor]] 14:53, 10 August 2020 (UTC)</div>Faenorhttps://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Forums:Invention_of_the_Cirth&diff=317489Forums:Invention of the Cirth2020-08-10T14:54:20Z<p>Faenor: </p>
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The timeline on this website assumes that the Cirth were invented in 1300 and that Daeron improved them in 1350. I believed this scenario for quite a while now, and I believe most articles follow it as well, for instance the one on the Certhas Daeron, but I would be interested in seeing the original source. I assumed it would be said in the Grey Annals, but I could find no statement there to back the scenario up; quite the opposite in fact: in the Grey Annals, there is no mention of the Cirth being ever renewed during the Old Sindarin period and instead it is portrayed as if they were invented some time between 1350 and 1495.<br />
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So, do any of you know a source stating when the Cirth were invented and when they were updated? {{Unsigned|Faenor}}<br />
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:Check ''Annals of Aman'', note on §85. Also ''Grey Annals'', note on §31. If the Runes were invented in {{YT|1300}} and the Dwarves adopted them {{YT|1350}}, it is quite pertinent to deduce they were already improved. It is true that the sources do not explicitly give the date of update, but the idea is having a coherence in the Timeline. --[[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] 19:35, 9 August 2020 (UTC)<br />
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in the notes §85 and §86 of the Annals of Aman I find no mention of the Cirth, but only of the wedding of Earwen and the arrival of the Nandor. And note §31 deals with the time after the Nandors' arrival (in 1350) and says that in that time the Cirth were invented. Am I having an outdated form of the script? I've read WJ13/14 and Morgoth's Ring page 91. [[User:Faenor|Faenor]] 14:53, 10 August 2020 (UTC)</div>Faenorhttps://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Forums:Invention_of_the_Cirth&diff=317488Forums:Invention of the Cirth2020-08-10T14:53:38Z<p>Faenor: </p>
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The timeline on this website assumes that the Cirth were invented in 1300 and that Daeron improved them in 1350. I believed this scenario for quite a while now, and I believe most articles follow it as well, for instance the one on the Certhas Daeron, but I would be interested in seeing the original source. I assumed it would be said in the Grey Annals, but I could find no statement there to back the scenario up; quite the opposite in fact: in the Grey Annals, there is no mention of the Cirth being ever renewed during the Old Sindarin period and instead it is portrayed as if they were invented some time between 1350 and 1495.<br />
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So, do any of you know a source stating when the Cirth were invented and when they were updated? {{Unsigned|Faenor}}<br />
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:Check ''Annals of Aman'', note on §85. Also ''Grey Annals'', note on §31. If the Runes were invented in {{YT|1300}} and the Dwarves adopted them {{YT|1350}}, it is quite pertinent to deduce they were already improved. It is true that the sources do not explicitly give the date of update, but the idea is having a coherence in the Timeline. --[[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] 19:35, 9 August 2020 (UTC)<br />
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in notes §85 and §86 of the Annals of Aman I find no mention of the Cirth, but only of the wedding of Earwen and the arrival of the Nandor. And note §31 deals with the time after the Nandors' arrival (in 1350) and says that in that time the Cirth were invented. Am I having an outdated form of the script? I've read WJ13/14 and Morgoth's Ring page 91. [[User:Faenor|Faenor]] 14:53, 10 August 2020 (UTC)</div>Faenorhttps://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Forums:Invention_of_the_Cirth&diff=317487Forums:Invention of the Cirth2020-08-10T14:53:00Z<p>Faenor: </p>
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The timeline on this website assumes that the Cirth were invented in 1300 and that Daeron improved them in 1350. I believed this scenario for quite a while now, and I believe most articles follow it as well, for instance the one on the Certhas Daeron, but I would be interested in seeing the original source. I assumed it would be said in the Grey Annals, but I could find no statement there to back the scenario up; quite the opposite in fact: in the Grey Annals, there is no mention of the Cirth being ever renewed during the Old Sindarin period and instead it is portrayed as if they were invented some time between 1350 and 1495.<br />
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So, do any of you know a source stating when the Cirth were invented and when they were updated? {{Unsigned|Faenor}}<br />
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:Check ''Annals of Aman'', note on §85. Also ''Grey Annals'', note on §31. If the Runes were invented in {{YT|1300}} and the Dwarves adopted them {{YT|1350}}, it is quite pertinent to deduce they were already improved. It is true that the sources do not explicitly give the date of update, but the idea is having a coherence in the Timeline. --[[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] 19:35, 9 August 2020 (UTC)<br />
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in notes §85 and §86 of the Annals of Aman I find no mention of the Cirth, but only of the wedding of Earwen and the arrival of the Nandor. And note §31 deals with the time after the Nandors' arrival (in 1350) and says that in that time the Cirth were invented. Am I having an outdated form of the script? I've read WJ13/14 and Morgoth's Ring page 91.</div>Faenorhttps://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Forums:Invention_of_the_Cirth&diff=317457Forums:Invention of the Cirth2020-08-09T16:33:10Z<p>Faenor: </p>
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The timeline on this website assumes that the Cirth were invented in 1300 and that Daeron improved them in 1350. I believed this scenario for quite a while now, and I believe most articles follow it as well, for instance the one on the Certhas Daeron, but I would be interested in seeing the original source. I assumed it would be said in the Grey Annals, but I could find no statement there to back the scenario up; quite the opposite in fact: in the Grey Annals, there is no mention of the Cirth being ever renewed during the Old Sindarin period and instead it is portrayed as if they were invented some time between 1350 and 1495.<br />
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So, do any of you know a source stating when the Cirth were invented and when they were updated?</div>Faenorhttps://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Forums:Invention_of_the_Cirth&diff=317456Forums:Invention of the Cirth2020-08-09T16:32:43Z<p>Faenor: </p>
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The timeline on this website assumes that the Cirth were invented in 1300 and that Daeron improved them in 1350. I believed this scenario for quite a while now, and I believe most articles follow it as well, for instance the one on the Certhas Daeron, but I would be interested in seeing the original source. I assumed it would be said in the Grey Annals, but I could find no statement there to back the scenario up; quite the opposite in fact: in the Grey Annals, there is no mention of the Cirth being ever renewed during the Old Sindarin period and instead it is portrayed as if they were invented some time between 1350 and 1495.<br />
So, do any of you know a source stating when the Cirth were invented and when they were updated?</div>Faenorhttps://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Forums:Invention_of_the_Cirth&diff=317455Forums:Invention of the Cirth2020-08-09T16:30:40Z<p>Faenor: Created page with "{{Counciltop}} <!-- Start writing after this line --> The timeline on this website assumes that the Cirth were invented in 1300 and that Daeron improved them in 1350. I believe..."</p>
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The timeline on this website assumes that the Cirth were invented in 1300 and that Daeron improved them in 1350. I believed this scenario for quite a while now, and I believe most articles follow it as well, for instance the one on the Certhas Daeron, but I would be interested in seeing the original source. I assumed it would be said in the Grey Annals, but I could find no statement there to back the scenario up; quite the opposite in fact: in the Grey Annals, there is no mention of the Cirth being ever renewed and instead it is portrayed as if they were invented some time between 1350 and 1495.<br />
So, do any of you know a source stating when the Cirth were invented and when they were updated?</div>Faenorhttps://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Year_of_the_Trees_1090&diff=317454Year of the Trees 10902020-08-09T15:25:32Z<p>Faenor: </p>
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* After finishing their council, [[Manwë]] decides that the [[Valar]] shall make war on [[Morgoth|Melkor]].<ref name="Annals"/> This was known as the [[Battle of the Powers]].<ref>{{S|Captivity}}</ref><br />
* Over the next two years, the [[Valar]] set a guard about [[Cuiviénen]] to protect the Elves from battle. The servants of Melkor retreat to [[Utumno]].<ref name="Annals">{{AA|47-8}}</ref><br />
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* [[Oromë]] returns to [[Valinor]] and tells the [[Valar]] about the [[Firstborn|Children of Ilúvatar]].<ref name="Annals" /><br />
* Whilst the Valar hold council, Oromë returns to [[Middle-earth]] to live amongst the [[Elves]].<ref name="Annals">{{MR|P2e}}, p. 74</ref><br />
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[[fr:encyclo/chronologie/annees_des_arbres]]</div>Faenorhttps://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Year_of_the_Trees_1085&diff=317452Year of the Trees 10852020-08-09T15:23:56Z<p>Faenor: </p>
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*[[Oromë]] discovers the [[Elves]] near the shores of [[Sea of Helcar|Helcar]]; he names them the Eldar, the People of the Stars. As a result of [[Morgoth|Melkor]]'s spies and whispers, some Eldar are afraid of Oromë and flee as he approaches.<ref name="Annals">{{MR|P2e}}, pp. 72-4</ref><br />
*About this time, it is possible that the first [[Orcs]] are created, being corrupted from Elves.<ref name="Annals" /><br />
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[[fr:encyclo/chronologie/annees_des_arbres]]</div>Faenorhttps://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Year_of_the_Trees_1050&diff=317451Year of the Trees 10502020-08-09T15:22:42Z<p>Faenor: </p>
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* [[Varda]] finishes forming constellations with the [[Valacirca]]. She hangs this in the north as a threat to [[Morgoth|Melkor]].<ref name="Annals"/><br />
* The [[Elves]] awake in [[Cuiviénen]]. The first thing they see are the stars.<ref name="Annals">{{MR|P2e}}, pp. 71-2</ref><br />
* [[Melian]] ascends [[Taniquetil]] to see the stars, but she then desires to see [[Middle-earth]] and leaves [[Valinor]] for [[Beleriand]].<ref name="Annals"/><br />
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[[fr:encyclo/chronologie/annees_des_arbres]]</div>Faenorhttps://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Year_of_the_Trees_1000&diff=317450Year of the Trees 10002020-08-09T15:21:59Z<p>Faenor: </p>
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* The [[Valar]] hold council, for [[Yavanna]] and [[Oromë]] report that [[Morgoth|Melkor]] might rise once more in power. They discuss the forthcomingness of the [[Children of Ilúvatar]] and whether to bring light to [[Middle-earth]].<ref name="Annals"/><br />
* Over the next fifty years, [[Varda]] uses the light from [[Telperion]] to fashion new stars, and organize them (and those already wrought) into constellations. The greatest of these constellations was the [[Menelmacar]].<ref name="Annals">{{MR|P2e}}, p. 71</ref><br />
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[[fr:encyclo/chronologie/annees_des_arbres]]</div>Faenorhttps://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Year_of_the_Trees_1080&diff=317449Year of the Trees 10802020-08-09T15:19:34Z<p>Faenor: </p>
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* About this time the spies of [[Morgoth|Melkor]] discover the [[Quendi]] and afflict them.<ref>{{HM|WJ}}, [[The Grey Annals]]</ref><br />
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* About this time the spies of [[Morgoth|Melkor]] discover the [[Quendi]] and afflict them.<ref>{{HM|WJ}}, [[The Grey Annals]]</ref><br />
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* About this time the spies of [[Morgoth|Melkor]] discover the [[Quendi]] and afflict them.<ref>{{HM|WJ}}<br />
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==[[Years of the Lamps]]==<br />
:''All dates in this section are approximate. Calculated Sun years for the Years of the Lamps and the Trees are rounded to the nearest year.''<ref group="Note">One [[Valian Years|Valian Year]] is equal to 9.582 Sun Years.</ref><br />
{| rules="all" style="border:1px solid darkgrey; border-collapse:collapse" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="0" width="100%"<br />
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| style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center" | '''Valian Year''' <br />
| style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center" | '''Calculated Sun Years''' <br />
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| align="center" colspan="3" | '''''[[Music of the Ainur|Ainulindalë]]''''': The [[Valar]], [[Maiar]], and [[Morgoth|Melkor]] enter [[Eä]].<br />
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| 1–1499 || 1-14,363 || The [[First War]] and the [[Arda Marred|Marring of Arda]].<br />
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| 1500 || 14,373 || [[Tulkas]] enters [[Eä]] and [[Morgoth|Melkor]] flees.<br />
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| '''''1900''''' || '''''18,206''''' || The completion of [[Arda]]. The [[Valar]] create the [[Two Lamps]] and settle at [[Almaren]]. '''''Beginning of the [[Spring of Arda]].'''''<br />
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| 3400 || 32,579 || [[Tulkas]] weds [[Nessa]].<br>[[Morgoth|Melkor]] secretly returns to [[Arda]], raises the [[Iron Mountains]] and delves [[Utumno]], and partly blights the [[Spring of Arda]].<br />
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| '''''3450''''' || '''''33,058''''' || [[Morgoth|Melkor]] overthrows the [[Two Lamps]], forming the Seas of [[Sea of Helcar|Helcar]] and [[Sea of Ringil|Ringil]]. [[Almaren]] is destroyed. In order to preserve life on the earth, [[Yavanna]] sets most living things into a [[Sleep of Yavanna|long sleep]]. '''''End of the [[Spring of Arda]].'''''<br />
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| 3450–3500 || 33,058-33,537 || The [[Valar]] raise the [[Pelóri]] and settle in [[Aman]]. The [[Two Trees]] are grown in [[Valinor]].<br />
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| style="background:lightgrey; text-align:center" | '''Event'''<br />
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| Pre-[[Year of the Trees 1000|1000]] || Pre-9582 || [[Morgoth|Melkor]] sleeps in [[Utumno]]. [[Oromë]] hunts throughout [[Middle-earth]]. Melkor raises the [[Misty Mountains|Hithaeglir]] to hinder his efforts.<br />
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| ???? || ???? || About some time before the waking of the Elves, [[Aulë]] creates the 7 [[Fathers of the Dwarves]] and their 6 spouses. Ilúvatar adopts them and they are put to sleep.<br />
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| [[Year of the Trees 1000|1000]] || 9582 || The [[Valar]] hold council, for [[Yavanna]] and [[Oromë]] report that Melkor might rise once more in power. They discuss the [[Children of Ilúvatar]]. [[Varda]] begins to fashion new stars, and organize them and those already wrought into [[:Category:Constellations|constellations]], over the next fifty years.<br />
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| [[Year of the Trees 1050|1050]] || 10,061 || [[Varda]] forms the [[Valacirca]]. '''The first 144 [[Elves]] ([[Minyar]], [[Tatyar]], and [[Nelyar]]) awake in [[Cuiviénen]].''' [[Melian]] travels to [[Beleriand]] after ascending [[Taniquetil]] to see the stars.<br />
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| [[Year of the Trees 1080|1080]] || 10,349 || Spies of Melkor discover the Elves and afflict them. Possibly [[Orcs]] first created.<br />
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| [[Year of the Trees 1085|1085]] || 10,396 || [[Oromë]] discovers the [[Elves]], and calls them [[Eldar]]. The Eldar are afraid of Oromë, and blame him for [[Morgoth|Melkor]]'s work. <br />
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| [[Year of the Trees 1086|1086]] || 10,406 || [[Oromë]] returns to [[Valinor]], and witnesses to his peers about the Children of Ilúvatar. Oromë returns to the [[Elves]] while the Valar consider his message.<br />
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| [[Year of the Trees 1090|1090]] || 10,444 || [[Valar]] make war on [[Morgoth|Melkor]] in the [[Battle of the Powers]]. The earth is shaken. The shores of Beleriand are formed and bays are created on the North. Over the next two years Melkor is defeated, and retreats into [[Utumno]].<br />
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| [[Year of the Trees 1092|1092]] || 10,464|| The siege of Utumno begins. North is desolated and the Sea widened.<br />
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| [[Year of the Trees 1099|1099]] || 10,530 || The [[Battle of the Powers]] ends, as the Valar storm the final defenses of [[Utumno]]. [[Tulkas]] captures [[Morgoth|Melkor]], binding him with [[Angainor]]. [[Sauron]] evades capture. <br />
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| [[Year of the Trees 1100|1100]] || 10,540 || [[Morgoth|Melkor]] is brought back to Valinor, judged and cast into [[Mandos]].<br><br />
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| [[Year of the Trees 1101|1101]] || 10,550 || Valar make council about the protection of Eruhíni and decide to bring them to Valinor. Oromë Invites the Elves.<br />
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| [[Year of the Trees 1102|1102]] || 10,559 || Elves are unwilling so Oromë invites the three Elven ambassadors, [[Ingwë]], [[Finwë]] and [[Elwë]] to come to Valinor.<br />
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| [[Year of the Trees 1104|1104]] || 10,579 || Ambassadors return to [[Cuiviénen]] and invite the Elves to return with them to Valinor.<br />
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| [[Year of the Trees 1105|1105]] || 10,588 || First [[Sundering of the Elves]] at [[Cuiviénen]]. [[Vanyar]] under Ingwë, [[Noldor]] under Finwë and [[Teleri]] under Elwë and [[Olwë]]. [[Avari]], under [[Morwë]] and [[Nurwë]], stay in Cuiviénen.<br>The [[Eldar]] depart, pass [[Sea of Helcar]] and turn west. Some are terrified by the smokes of war and go back.<br />
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| [[Year of the Trees 1115|1115]] || 10,684 || Second [[Sundering of the Elves]]: The host pass [[Mirkwood|Greenwood]] the Great and come to the River [[Anduin]]. Some Lindar wish to stay there. Terrified by the [[Misty Mountains|Hithaeglir]], [[Nandor|a part]] of them go south led by [[Lenwë]].<br />
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| [[Year of the Trees 1125|1125]] || 10,780 || [[Vanyar]] and [[Noldor]] enter [[Beleriand]]; the foremost of them pass [[Sirion]] and reach the shores. Oromë goes to Aman for counsel.<br />
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| [[Year of the Trees 1128|1128]] || 10,808 || The unwilling Teleri also come to Beleriand and dwell east of [[Gelion]]. Elwë keeps friendship with Finwë and Noldor on the west.<br />
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| [[Year of the Trees 1130|1130]] || 10,828 || Elwë returning from a meeting with Finwë meets Melian in [[Nan Elmoth]] and falls into a trance.<br />
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| [[Year of the Trees 1132|1132]] || 10,847 || [[Ulmo]] brings [[Tol Eressëa|an island]] to the [[Bay of Balar]]. The Vanyar and Noldor forget their fear for the Sea and embark upon it while the Teleri look for Elwë.<br>When departing, the island breaks and leaves the [[Isle of Balar]] behind.<br><br />
After learning of their embark, some Teleri led by Olwë, reach the shores and meet [[Ossë]] and [[Uinen]].<br />
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| [[Year of the Trees 1133|1133]] || 10,856 || [[Vanyar]] and [[Noldor]] enter [[Valinor]] and build [[Eldamar]]. The Valar open the rift [[Calacirya]] in Pelóri so that the [[Light of Valinor]] reaches Eldamar. The Elves begin the building of [[Tirion]] on the hill [[Túna]] inside Calacirya.<br />
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| [[Year of the Trees 1140|1140]] || 10,923 || [[Vanyar]] and [[Noldor]] found [[Tirion]] and [[Mindon Eldaliéva]]. Some Vanyar yearn for the Trees and go closer to Valinor.<br />
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| [[Year of the Trees 1142|1142]] || 10,943 || [[Galathilion|White Tree]] given to [[Noldor]] by Yavanna.<br />
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| [[Year of the Trees 1149|1149]] || 11,010 || Finwë prays to Ulmo to bring the Teleri. However Ossë is grieved and persuades some to stay with him. [[Círdan]] with some establish the havens of [[Brithombar]] and [[Eglarest]]. [[Ossë]] teaches them shipcraft.<br><br />
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| [[Year of the Trees 1150|1150]] || 11,019 || Olwë and the [[Falmari|most part]] of the Teleri leave Beleriand. The rest of the Teleri are still looking for Elwë and are named [[Eglath]].<br />
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| [[Year of the Trees 1151|1151]] || 11,029 || Tol Eressëa with the Teleri stops moving outside the [[Bay of Eldamar]]. They are afterwards named Falmari who choose to remain on [[Tol Eressëa]].<br><br />
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| [[Year of the Trees 1152|1152]] || 11,038 || [[Elwë]] awakens from the trance and becomes King of Elves in [[Beleriand]]; his hair is now silver.<br />
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| [[Year of the Trees 1161|1161]] || 11,125 || The Falmari after the teachings of Ossë build ships. They leave Tol Eressëa and come to Valinor.<br />
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| [[Year of the Trees 1162|1162]] || 11,134 || [[Teleri]] found [[Alqualondë]] with the help of Finwë.<br />
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| [[Year of the Trees 1165|1165]] || 11,163 || All the Vanyar depart from Tirion to Taniquetil and Noldor stay with the Falmari.<br />
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| [[Year of the Trees 1169|1169]] || 11,201 || Birth of [[Fëanor]] son of Finwë and [[Míriel]]. The Noldor are taught by Aulë labouring and love the jewels. [[Rúmil (elf of Tirion)|Rúmil of Tirion]] makes the [[Sarati]] and possibly writes the [[Ainulindalë (Rúmil's work)|Ainulindalë]].<br />
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| [[Year of the Trees 1170|1170]] || 11,211 || Death of [[Míriel|Míriel Serindë]].<br><br />
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| [[Year of the Trees 1172|1172]] || 11,230 || [[Statute of Finwë and Míriel|Doom of Manwë]].<br><br />
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| [[Year of the Trees 1185|1185]] || 11,355 || [[Finwë]] weds [[Indis]].<br><br />
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| [[Year of the Trees 1190|1190]] || 11,403 || Birth of [[Fingolfin]].<br><br />
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| [[Year of the Trees 1200|1200]] || 11,498 || Second Age of Chaining of Melkor: [[Lúthien]] born in [[Neldoreth]].<br />
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| [[Year of the Trees 1230|1230]] || 11,786 || Birth of [[Finarfin]].<br><br />
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| [[Year of the Trees 1250|1250]] || 11,978 || [[Fëanor]] creates the [[Tengwar]].<br>[[Dwarves]] enter [[Beleriand]] and meet the [[Sindar]].<br />
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| [[Year of the Trees 1280|1280]] || 12,265 || [[Finarfin]] weds [[Eärwen]].<br><br />
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| [[Year of the Trees 1300|1300]] || 12,457 || Third Age of Chaining of Melkor: births of [[Turgon]] and [[Finrod]].<br>[[Dwarves of Belegost]] and Elves begin the building of [[Menegroth]] in [[Doriath]]. The Dwarves are paid with knowledge from Melian and with many pearls, including [[Nimphelos]]. [[Daeron]] creates the [[Cirth|Certhas Daeron]].<br><br />
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| [[Year of the Trees 1330|1330]] || 12,744 || [[Orcs]] first seen in [[Beleriand]]; Dwarves make weapons for the Sindar.<br />
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| [[Year of the Trees 1350|1350]] || 12,936 || [[Denethor (Nando)|Denethor]] leads some of the [[Nandor]] into Beleriand and befriends Thingol. They settle in [[Ossiriand]]. Daeron betters the Cirth, which are adopted by the Dwarves and made known east of the [[Blue Mountains]].<br />
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| [[Year of the Trees 1362|1362]] || 13,051 || Births of [[Galadriel]] and [[Aredhel]].<br><br />
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| [[Year of the Trees 1400|1400]] || 13,415 || [[Morgoth|Melkor]] released from bondage.<br><br />
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| [[Year of the Trees 1410|1410]] || 13,511 || [[Morgoth|Melkor]] befriends the [[Noldor]].<br><br />
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| [[Year of the Trees 1449|1449]] || 13,884 || [[Fëanor]] having invented the substance [[Silima]] begins constructing the [[Silmarils]],<br><br />
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| [[Year of the Trees 1450|1450]] || 13,894 || '''[[Fëanor]] completes the [[Silmarils]]; he puts the Light of the Trees in them and Varda hallows them.'''<br>For the next 20 years Melkor begins spreading strife and talking about weapons.<br />
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| [[Year of the Trees 1490|1490]] || 14,277 || The Valar summon Fëanor who threatens Fingolfin with his sword. They exile him to [[Formenos]] and Finwë follows.<br />
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| [[Year of the Trees 1492|1492]] || 14,296 || Melkor visits Fëanor but he repels him. Finwë then warns the Valar and begins to pursue Melkor. Melkor hides and meets [[Ungoliant]] in [[Avathar]].<br />
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| [[Year of the Trees 1495|1495]] || 14,325 || Fëanor is commanded by Manwë to Taniquetil where he and Fingolfin reconcile. '''Ungoliant destroys the Two Trees, Morgoth kills Finwë in Formenos and steals the Silmarils.''' They flee to Beleriand where they debate. Balrogs arrive and drive Ungoliant away. Morgoth stays in [[Angband]] and raises the [[Thangorodrim]].<br><br />
'''Fëanor begins the rebellion and goes to Alqualondë where he [[First Kinslaying|fights with the Falmari]] and steals their swanships. The Flight of the Noldor begins.'''<br />
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| [[Year of the Trees 1496|1496]] || 14,335 || [[Mandos]] (or his messenger) appears before the Noldor and speaks the [[Doom of Mandos]]. Finarfin with some repent and return to Valinor where he is accepted. Finrod his son becomes the leader of his house and follows Fëanor.<br />
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| [[Year of the Trees 1497|1497]] || 14,344 || [[First Battle of Beleriand]]. Death of [[Denethor (Nando)|Denethor]], besiegement of the [[Havens of the Falas]]. Thingol withdraws his people and the [[Girdle of Melian]] is set around Doriath. The Laiquendi from now on remain hidden and take no other king.<br />
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The Noldor arrive at [[Helcaraxë]], but Fëanor and his people betray Fingolfin and sail to Beleriand. '''Burning of the ships at [[Losgar]]. [[Dagor-nuin-Giliath]] ("Battle-under-Stars"). Fëanor is mortally wounded by [[Gothmog (balrog)|Gothmog]] and is rescued by his sons before dying in sight of the [[Thangorodrim]].''' [[Maedhros]] meets with Morgoth under a false truce, his forces are too few and he is captured.<br />
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| [[Year of the Trees 1498|1498]] || 14,354 || [[Maedhros]] is chained to the [[Thangorodrim]]. The Noldor do not depart as demanded by Morgoth and instead make a great camp at [[Mithrim]].<br />
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| [[Year of the Trees 1500|1500]] || 14,373 || '''Creation of [[Moon]] and [[Sun]]. The host of the [[Noldor]] finishes crossing the [[Helcaraxë]] and enters [[Beleriand]] under [[Fingolfin]].''' [[Battle of the Lammoth]] and death of [[Argon]]. The Moon rises and after seven times, the Sun follows.<br />
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== The [[First Age]] ==<br />
:''See: [[Timeline/First Age]]''<br />
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== The [[Second Age]] ==<br />
:''See: [[Timeline/Second Age]]''<br />
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== The [[Third Age]] ==<br />
:''See: [[Timeline/Third Age]]''<br />
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== The [[Fourth Age]] ==<br />
:''See: [[Timeline/Fourth Age]]''<br />
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==See also==<br />
* [[Timeline of Frodo Baggins]]<br />
* [[Timeline of Aragorn]]<br />
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==Notes==<br />
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==References==<br />
* ''[[Appendix B|The Tale of Years]]'' (''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'')<br />
* ''[[The Annals of Aman]]'' (''[[Morgoth's Ring]]'')<br />
* ''[[The Grey Annals]]'' (''[[The War of the Jewels]]'')<br />
* ''[[The Silmarillion]]''<br />
* ''[[Unfinished Tales|Unfinished Tales of Númenor and Middle-earth]]''<br />
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'''Arminas''' was an [[Elves|Elf]] of [[Angrod]]'s people who had lived in [[Dorthonion]] but later dwelt with [[Círdan]]'s folk by the [[Mouths of Sirion]]. He and [[Gelmir (messenger of Círdan)|Gelmir]] were sent on a journey by Círdan as messengers and during their travels they met both [[Tuor]] and [[Túrin]].<br />
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==History==<br />
Arminas and Gelmir were sent by [[Círdan]] to [[Nargothrond]] after Círdan had received a message from the [[Valar|Vala]] [[Ulmo]]. Their journey went by ship to [[Drengist]] first, to seek for the [[Gondolin|Hidden Kingdom]] of [[Turgon]] but they did not find it.<ref name="Fall">{{CH|11}}</ref> While journeying inland they came upon [[Tuor]] who was seeking the [[Gate of the Noldor]] and they helped him by taking him part of the way through the great tunnel.<ref>{{UT|Tuor}}, pp. 21-22</ref><br />
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After spying upon the gathering of [[Orcs]] in the [[Pass of Sirion]] they then travelled south to deliver Ulmo's message to King [[Orodreth]]. The message was that Nargothrond should shut its doors and that the bridge before the doors should be demolished to prevent a creeping evil from finding the gate.<br />
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At this time Orodreth relied upon the counsel of Túrin, who scorned the words of the messengers, for it was upon his advice that the [[Bridge of Nargothrond|bridge]] had been built and it was his policy for the King's forces to go forth openly to war. Arminas then asked Túrin if he was of the [[House of Hador]]. This question greatly angered Túrin, for in Nargothrond he wished to be known only as [[Agarwaen]] and did not want it known that the son of [[Húrin]] resided in the fortress. In turn, Arminas became angry and upbraided Túrin for his lack of courtesy and unwillingness to listen to the advice of others, which was so atypical for a man of the House of Hador that Arminas claimed to have doubted Túrin's origins.<br />
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Arminas and Gelmir then left, and their message was ignored, leading to the destruction of that citadel by [[Glaurung]].<ref name="Fall"/><br />
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==Etymology==<br />
''Arminas'' is [[Sindarin]] for "Royal Tower", from ''[[ar]]'' ("high, royal, noble") + ''[[minas]]'' ("tower").<ref>{{webcite|author=Paul Strack|articleurl=http://eldamo.org/content/words/word-3793469383.html|articlename=S. ''Arminas'' m.|website=Eldamo|accessed=27 April 2020}}</ref><br />
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<div>{{disambig-two|the companion of [[Arminas]]|son of [[Guilin]]|[[Gelmir (son of Guilin)]]}}<br />
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'''Gelmir''' was a [[Noldor|Noldorin Elf]], originally of [[Angrod]]'s people. Tuor noticed at Annon-in-Gelydh a light in his eyes unlike any he had seen in other Elves. Thus, Gelmir and Arminas must have been [[Calaquendi]] born in Valinor before the exile.<br />
After the [[Dagor Bragollach]] ("Battle of Sudden Flame"), he wandered into the southern regions of [[Beleriand]], and settled with the people of [[Círdan]]. He was later sent by Círdan, with his companion [[Arminas]], as a messenger to [[Nargothrond]] to bring Orodreth Ulmo's warning of the fall of Nargothrond.<ref>{{S|Turin}}</ref> Círdan's ships brought them to the [[Firth of Drengist]] from whence they turned east. On their way, they met [[Tuor]] who was searching for [[Annon-in-Gelydh]]. Amused, Gelmir and Arminas told him that he was standing right in front of it. Tuor told them about his intention to flee Dor-lómin and search for Gondolin. They gave him lamps for the tunnel and advised him to go to the havens of the south for there he might find Gondolindrim whom Turgon had tasked to request the aid of Valinor.<br />
The Elves wished him luck and continued east. They crossed Dor-lómin but got sidetracked by the idea of finding Gondolin. From Gondolindrim among Círdan's people they knew that Turgon still dwelled in the north. They searched the [[Vale of Sirion]] and all lands under the [[Ered Wethrin]] in vain and ultimately turned south to Nargothrond.<br />
There, Gelmir told [[Orodreth]] and [[Túrin]] that they had come further than all other scouts of Nargothrond and seen an army gathering at [[Tol-in-Gaurhoth|Sauron's island]]. Gelmir also delivered Ulmo's message saying that the sources of Sirion were polluted and his power in that river diminished. Orodreth were to destroy the great bridge over Narog and not leave Nargothrond. Orodreth and especially Túrin mistrusted the message and the messengers. Threats and insults were exchanged, Túrin sent the messengers away and Nargothrond fell soon after as Ulmo had foreseen it. Gelmir and Arminas, however, returned south for Círdan had instructed them to give him Orodreth's reply as soon as possible.<br />
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==Etymology==<br />
The name is [[Sindarin]], but of unclear meaning. It could be a combination of ''gell'' ("joy") and ''[[mîr]]'' ("jewel").<ref>{{HM|GS}}, p. 350</ref> If so, it is unusual that the m was not mutated to v, as would usually have happened. It may thus be that his name is in the [[North Sindarin]] dialect where this change did not occur.<br />
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'''Gelmir''' was a [[Noldor|Noldorin Elf]], originally of [[Angrod]]'s people. Tuor noticed at Annon-in-Gelydh a light in his eyes unlike any he had seen in other Elves. Thus, Gelmir and Arminas must have been [[Calaquendi]] born in Valinor before the exile.<br />
After the [[Dagor Bragollach]] ("Battle of Sudden Flame"), he wandered into the southern regions of [[Beleriand]], and settled with the people of [[Círdan]]. He was later sent by Círdan, with his companion [[Arminas]], as a messenger to [[Nargothrond]] to bring Orodreth Ulmo's warning of the fall of Nargothrond.<ref>{{S|Turin}}</ref> Círdan's ships brought them to the [[Firth of Drengist]] from whence they turned east. On their way, they met [[Tuor]] who was searching for [[Annon-in-Gelydh]]. Amused, Gelmir and Arminas told him that he was standing right in front of it. Tuor told them about his intention to flee Dor-lómin and search for Gondolin. They gave him lamps for the tunnel and advised him to go to the havens of the south for there he might find Gondolindrim whom Turgon had tasked to request the aid of Valinor.<br />
The Elves wished him luck and continued east. They crossed Dor-lómin but got sidetracked by the idea of finding Gondolin. From Gondolindrim among Círdan's people they knew that Turgon still dwelled in the north. They searched the [[Vale of Sirion]] and all lands under the [[Ered Wethrin]] in vain and ultimately turned south to Nargothrond.<br />
There, Gelmir told [[Orodreth]] and [[Túrin]] that they had come further than all other scouts of Nargothrond and seen an army gathering at [[Tol-in-Gaurhoth|Sauron's island]]. Gelmir also delivered Ulmo's message saying that the [[sources of Sirion]] were polluted and his power in that river diminished. Orodreth were to destroy the great bridge over Narog and not leave Nargothrond. Orodreth and especially Túrin mistrusted the message and the messengers. Threats and insults were exchanged, Túrin sent the messengers away and Nargothrond fell soon after as Ulmo had foreseen it. Gelmir and Arminas, however, returned south for Círdan had instructed them to give him Orodreth's reply as soon as possible.<br />
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==Etymology==<br />
The name is [[Sindarin]], but of unclear meaning. It could be a combination of ''gell'' ("joy") and ''[[mîr]]'' ("jewel").<ref>{{HM|GS}}, p. 350</ref> If so, it is unusual that the m was not mutated to v, as would usually have happened. It may thus be that his name is in the [[North Sindarin]] dialect where this change did not occur.<br />
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<div>{{disambig-two|the companion of [[Arminas]]|son of [[Guilin]]|[[Gelmir (son of Guilin)]]}}<br />
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'''Gelmir''' was a [[Noldor|Noldorin Elf]], originally of [[Angrod]]'s people. Tuor noticed at Annon-in-Gelydh a light in his eyes unlike any he had seen in other Elves. Thus, Gelmir and Arminas must have been [[Calaquendi]] born in Valinor before the exile.<br />
After the [[Dagor Bragollach]] ("Battle of Sudden Flame"), he wandered into the southern regions of [[Beleriand]], and settled with the people of [[Círdan]]. He was later sent by Círdan, with his companion [[Arminas]], as a messenger to [[Nargothrond]] to bring Orodreth Ulmo's warning of the fall of Nargothrond.<ref>{{S|Turin}}</ref> Círdan's ships brought them to the [[Firth of Drengist]] from whence they turned east. On their way, they met [[Tuor]] who was searching for [[Annon-in-Gelydh]]. Amused, Gelmir and Arminas told him that he was standing right in front of it. Tuor told them about his intention to flee Dor-lómin and search for Gondolin. They gave him lamps for the tunnel and advised him to go to the havens of the south for there he might find Gondolindrim whom Turgon had tasked to request the aid of Valinor.<br />
The Elves wished him luck and continued east. They crossed Dor-lómin but got sidetracked by the idea of finding Gondolin. From Gondolindrim among Círdan's people they knew that Turgon still dwelled in the north. They searched the [[Vale of Sirion]] and all lands under the [[Ered Wethrin]] in vain and ultimately turned south to Nargothrond.<br />
There, Gelmir told [[Orodreth]] and [[Túrin]] that they had come further than all other scouts of Nargothrond and seen an army gathering at [[Sauron's island|Tol-in-Gaurhoth]]. Gelmir also delivered Ulmo's message saying that the [[sources of Sirion]] were polluted and his power in that river diminished. Orodreth were to destroy the great bridge over Narog and not leave Nargothrond. Orodreth and especially Túrin mistrusted the message and the messengers. Threats and insults were exchanged, Túrin sent the messengers away and Nargothrond fell soon after as Ulmo had foreseen it. Gelmir and Arminas, however, returned south for Círdan had instructed them to give him Orodreth's reply as soon as possible.<br />
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==Etymology==<br />
The name is [[Sindarin]], but of unclear meaning. It could be a combination of ''gell'' ("joy") and ''[[mîr]]'' ("jewel").<ref>{{HM|GS}}, p. 350</ref> If so, it is unusual that the m was not mutated to v, as would usually have happened. It may thus be that his name is in the [[North Sindarin]] dialect where this change did not occur.<br />
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<div>{{disambig-two|the companion of [[Arminas]]|son of [[Guilin]]|[[Gelmir (son of Guilin)]]}}<br />
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'''Gelmir''' was a [[Noldor|Noldorin Elf]], originally of [[Angrod]]'s people. Tuor noticed at Annon-in-Gelydh a light in his eyes unlile any he had seen in any other Elf. Thus, Gelmir and Arminas must have been Calaquendi born in Valinor before the exile. After the [[Dagor Bragollach]] ("Battle of Sudden Flame"), he wandered into the southern regions of [[Beleriand]], and settled with the people of [[Círdan]]. He was later sent by Círdan, with his companion [[Arminas]], as a messenger to [[Nargothrond]] to bring Orodreth Ulmo's warning of the fall of Nargothrond.<ref>{{S|Turin}}</ref> Círdan's ships brought them to the [[Firth of Drengist]] from whence they turned east. On their way, they met [[Tuor]] who was searching for [[Annon-in-Gelydh]]. Amused, Gelmir and Arminas told him that he was standing right in front of it. Tuor told them about his intention to flee Dor-lómin and search for Gondolin. They gave him lamps for the tunnel and advised him to go to the havens of the south for there he might find Gondolindrim whom Turgon had sent to request the aid of Valinor.<br />
<br />
The elves wished him luck and carried on east. They crossed Dor-lómin but got sidetracked by the idea of finding Gondolin. From Gondolindrim among Círdan's people they knew that Turgon still dwelled in the north. They searched the [[Vale of Sirion]] and all lands under the [[Ered Wethrin]] in vain and ultimately turned south to Nargothrond.<br />
There, Gelmir told [[Orodreth]] and [[Túrin]] that they had come further than all other scouts of Nargothrond and seen an army gathering at [[Sauron's island|Tol-in-Gaurhoth]]. Gelmir also delivered Ulmo's message saying that the [[sources of Sirion]] were polluted and his power in that river diminished. Orodreth were to destroy the great bridge over Narog and not leave Nargothrond. Orodreth and especially Túrin mistrusted the message and the messengers. Threats and insults were exchanged, Túrin sent the messengers away and Nargothrond fell soon after as Ulmo had foreseen it. Gelmir and Arminas, however, returned south for Círdan had instructed them to give him Orodreth's reply as soon as possible.<br />
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==Etymology==<br />
The name is [[Sindarin]], but of unclear meaning. It could be a combination of ''gell'' ("joy") and ''[[mîr]]'' ("jewel").<ref>{{HM|GS}}, p. 350</ref> If so, it is unusual that the m was not mutated to v, as would usually have happened. It may thus be that his name is in the [[North Sindarin]] dialect where this change did not occur.<br />
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<div>{{disambig-two|the companion of [[Arminas]]|son of [[Guilin]]|[[Gelmir (son of Guilin)]]}}<br />
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'''Gelmir''' was a [[Noldor|Noldorin Elf]], originally of [[Angrod]]'s people. After the [[Dagor Bragollach]] ("Battle of Sudden Flame"), he wandered into the southern regions of [[Beleriand]], and settled with the people of [[Círdan]]. He was later sent by Círdan, with his companion [[Arminas]], as a messenger to [[Nargothrond]].<ref>{{S|Turin}}</ref><br />
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==Etymology==<br />
The name is [[Sindarin]], but of unclear meaning. It could be a combination of ''gell'' ("joy") and ''[[mîr]]'' ("jewel").<ref>{{HM|GS}}, p. 350</ref> If so, it is unusual that the m was not mutated to v, as would usually have happened. It may thus be that his name is [[North Sindarin]] where this change did not occur.<br />
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[[Category:Noldor]]<br />
[[Category:Characters in The Silmarillion]]<br />
[[Category:Characters in The Children of Húrin]]<br />
[[Category:First Age characters]]<br />
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[[de:Gelmir (Elb aus dem Volke Angrods)]]<br />
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<div>'''Vanyarin''',<ref>{{PE|19}}, pp. 88, 128</ref><ref>{{VT|42a}}, p. 26</ref> or '''Vanyarin Quenya''' and also sometimes called '''Quendya''' (pron. {{IPA|[ˈkʷeɲɟa]}}) is the dialect of [[Quenya]] as spoken by the [[Vanyar]] in [[Valimar]], as distinguished from the Noldorin/[[Exilic Quenya]]. <br />
<br />
==History==<br />
The language Quenya evolved in [[Valinor]], but a separation could also be observed there among the [[Vanyar]] and the [[Noldor]], especially considering that the Vanyar decided to abandon [[Eldamar]] and come closer to the [[Valar]] while the Noldor stayed in closer contact with the [[Falmari]] and [[Telerin|their language]].<br />
<br />
The speech of the Vanyar (being closest to the Valar), had many [[Valarin]] loanwords in their language.<ref name="P"/> Furthermore, their dialect was more conservative than that of the Noldor who were more innovative. <br />
<br />
However, the Vanyarin loremasters would give their assent to changes introduced by the Noldor in order to be considered genuine Quenya in their common speech community.<ref name="V">{{VT|41}}</ref> One of those changes was the consonant -r in plural words instead of -i, which the Vanyar adopted.<ref name="P">{{WJ|quendi}}</ref><br />
<br />
Concerning the parallel evolution of the two languages, we are told that [[Fëanor]] viewed the matter of the sound change of ''þ'' to ''s'' by his people as a personal insult to the memory of his mother who was called [[Míriel|Þerindë]], and resisted it<ref>{{PM|Shibboleth}}</ref>. On the other hand, the Vanyar also pronounced the sound ''f-'' very softly, threatening to merge it with ''hw-'', and Fëanor jested them that they would pronounce his name as ''Hwëanáro''<ref name="V"/>.<br />
<br />
Since the Noldor came to [[Middle-earth]] and their language became known among the [[Sindar]], the [[Silvan Elves|Silvan]] and afterwards the [[Dúnedain]], Vanyarin was considered a less known, elusive dialect, spoken only in Valinor.<br />
<br />
==Variations==<br />
Not much is known about how distinct the speech of the Vanyar was from that of the Noldor other than some sound changes which occurred only to the latter. All in all however, the two dialects were virtually identical, with few differences of minor importance; at least before the [[Exile of the Noldor]].<ref>{{PE|19}}, p. 70 (footnote 14)</ref><br />
<br />
===Pronunciation===<br />
;d: Seen in the title of the poem ''[[Aldudénië]]''; intermedial "d" does not exist in classical Quenya, which probably was not the case in Vanyarin.<ref>{{webcite|website=Arda|author=[[Helge Fauskanger]]|articleurl=http://folk.uib.no/hnohf/quen-eng.htm|articlename=Quettaparma Quenyallo}}</ref> On the other hand, the language, composition and etymology of Aldudénie is not known for sure. Except for nd, the usual development of ancient d is to become r in Noldorin Quenya, z in Vanyarin, and d in Telerin (e.g. Quenya [[Oarel]]/Aurel, Vanyarin Oazel/Auzel, Telerin Audel), so Aldudénie might be a Quenya-Telerin hybrid word instead.<br />
;lb: Equivalent to Noldorin /lv/. While (Noldorin) Quenya as we know it, does not allow /lb/, the word ''[[ulban]]'' (borrowed form Valarin), is associated with the Vanyar. Perhaps Vanyarin phonology did allow /lb/.<br />
;ndy: This is a particular sound change which we know occurred in the word ''Quenya'' while the Vanyar still pronounced this word ''Quendya'', without the simplification. Presumably other complex clusters simplified in everyday Quenya speech, were retained in Vanyarin.<br />
;f = ''almost'' hw: Fëanor noted that initial /f/ was so soft (bilabial {{IPA|[ɸ]}}) that it was often confused with /hw/ (labiovelar {{IPA|[ʍ]}}) to Noldorin ears. The Noldor opposed this tendency, helped by influence from the [[Telerin]] language, with which they had contact. Whether the Vanyar ever actually did merge /hw/ with /f/ is unclear&mdash;it's possible they did not, considering that the equivilent voiced phonemes /w/ (labiovelar {{IPA|[w]}}) and /v/ (bilabial {{IPA|[β]}}) did not merge among the Vanyar.<br />
;þ (or th): Shortly before the [[Rebellion of the Noldor]], they had begun merging the sound /þ/ (dental {{IPA|[θ]}}) with the sound /s/ (alveolar {{IPA|[s]}}). The Vanyar retained that sound, as did [[Fëanor]] along with [[Sons of Fëanor|his sons]] for a time. V. Þerindë N. Serindë<br />
;z: Around that time, also the Noldor merged the sound /z/ with /r/. Again, it was something not occurring among the Vanyar. V. ázë N. árë<br />
;w: The Exiles (after the [[First Age]]) also simplified initial /w/ to /v/. The Vanyar most presumably kept that distinction. Whether [[Finarfin]]'s Noldor in [[Tirion]] also did this is unclear. V. wanwa N. vanwa<br />
;ñ: After the [[Second Age]] among the Exile, the Noldor simplified the initial sound of /ñ/ (velar {{IPA|[ŋ]}}) to /n/ (coronal {{IPA|[n]}}), but this is not mentioned about Vanyarin. Again, whether this occurred in Tirion is unclear. V. Ñoldo N. Noldo<br />
<br />
===Grammar===<br />
Nothing is known about what differences Vanyarin had from Noldorin, other than it retained the final long vowel in accusative (Eldá, ciryá etc), a feature dropped by the Noldor.<br />
<br />
Originally, [[Primitive Elvish]] formed the plural with the ending -î. The Noldor invented the ending -r for words that end in a vowel (Valai > Valar) something that the Vanyar adopted. In adjectives, the -i was assimilated in Noldorin (vanima > vanimë) but it is not known if the Vanyar followed this.<br />
===Vocabulary===<br />
Quenya borrowed some words from Valarin, like the names of the Valar and the names ''[[Máhanaxar]]'' and ''[[Ezellohar]]''. The Vanyar had this custom more frequently even in simple words. Some of them are the color words ''[[ulban]]'' (Q. ''[[luin]]''), ''[[ezello]]'' (Q. ''[[laiqua]]''), ''[[nasar]]'' (Q. ''[[carnë]]'') and ''[[tulka]]'' (Q. ''[[malina]]'').<br />
<br />
Some other known Quenya words are said to bear some influence from [[Sindarin]] which happened only to the Noldorin exiles. For example ''[[Orcs|orco]]'' derives from ''[[Orcs|urco]]'', but after influence from Sindarin ''[[orch]]''. Such words should be ruled out from the Vanyarin vocabulary.<br />
<br />
==Etymology==<br />
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''Quendya'' is the archaic name of the word Quenya which Tolkien said was still used among the Vanyar, therefore they would refer to their language as such. Although it still would encompass the dialects of the Noldor and the Teleri.{{fact}}<br />
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==Other versions of the legendarium==<br />
In ''[[The Book of Lost Tales]]'', the First Elves were called [[Lindar]] and their language was called [[Qenya]]. The other Elves spoke [[Old Noldorin]] (intead of Quenya) and [[Solosimpin]] (instead of Telerin).<br />
==See also==<br />
*[[Exilic Quenya]]<br />
==External links==<br />
*[http://www.science-and-fiction.org/elvish/vanyarin_quenya.html Vanyarin Quenya] article by [[Thorsten Renk]]<br />
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<div>'''Vanyarin''',<ref>{{PE|19}}, pp. 88, 128</ref><ref>{{VT|42a}}, p. 26</ref> or '''Vanyarin Quenya''' and also sometimes called '''Quendya''' (pron. {{IPA|[ˈkʷeɲɟa]}}) is the dialect of [[Quenya]] as spoken by the [[Vanyar]] in [[Valimar]], as distinguished from the Noldorin/[[Exilic Quenya]]. <br />
<br />
==History==<br />
The language Quenya evolved in [[Valinor]], but a separation could also be observed there among the [[Vanyar]] and the [[Noldor]], especially considering that the Vanyar decided to abandon [[Eldamar]] and come closer to the [[Valar]] while the Noldor stayed in closer contact with the [[Falmari]] and [[Telerin|their language]].<br />
<br />
The speech of the Vanyar (being closest to the Valar), had many [[Valarin]] loanwords in their language.<ref name="P"/> Furthermore, their dialect was more conservative than that of the Noldor who were more innovative. <br />
<br />
However, the Vanyarin loremasters would give their assent to changes introduced by the Noldor in order to be considered genuine Quenya in their common speech community.<ref name="V">{{VT|41}}</ref> One of those changes was the consonant -r in plural words instead of -i, which the Vanyar adopted.<ref name="P">{{WJ|quendi}}</ref><br />
<br />
Concerning the parallel evolution of the two languages, we are told that [[Fëanor]] viewed the matter of the sound change of ''þ'' to ''s'' by his people as a personal insult to the memory of his mother who was called [[Míriel|Þerindë]], and resisted it<ref>{{PM|Shibboleth}}</ref>. On the other hand, the Vanyar also pronounced the sound ''f-'' very softly, threatening to merge it with ''hw-'', and Fëanor jested them that they would pronounce his name as ''Hwëanáro''<ref name="V"/>.<br />
<br />
Since the Noldor came to [[Middle-earth]] and their language became known among the [[Sindar]], the [[Silvan Elves|Silvan]] and afterwards the [[Dúnedain]], Vanyarin was considered a less known, elusive dialect, spoken only in Valinor.<br />
<br />
==Variations==<br />
Not much is known about how distinct the speech of the Vanyar was from that of the Noldor other than some sound changes which occurred only to the latter. All in all however, the two dialects were virtually identical, with few differences of minor importance; at least before the [[Exile of the Noldor]].<ref>{{PE|19}}, p. 70 (footnote 14)</ref><br />
<br />
===Pronunciation===<br />
;d: Seen in the title of the poem ''[[Aldudénië]]''; intermedial "d" does not exist in classical Quenya, which probably was not the case in Vanyarin.<ref>{{webcite|website=Arda|author=[[Helge Fauskanger]]|articleurl=http://folk.uib.no/hnohf/quen-eng.htm|articlename=Quettaparma Quenyallo}}</ref> On the other hand, the language, composition and etymology of Aldudénie is not known for sure. Except for nd, the usual development of ancient d is to become r in Noldorin Quenya, z in Vanyarin, and d in Telerin (e.g. Quenya [[Oarel]]/Aurel, Vanyarin Oazel, Telerin Audel), so Aldudénie might be a Quenya-Telerin hybrid word instead.<br />
;lb: Equivalent to Noldorin /lv/. While (Noldorin) Quenya as we know it, does not allow /lb/, the word ''[[ulban]]'' (borrowed form Valarin), is associated with the Vanyar. Perhaps Vanyarin phonology did allow /lb/.<br />
;ndy: This is a particular sound change which we know occurred in the word ''Quenya'' while the Vanyar still pronounced this word ''Quendya'', without the simplification. Presumably other complex clusters simplified in everyday Quenya speech, were retained in Vanyarin.<br />
;f = ''almost'' hw: Fëanor noted that initial /f/ was so soft (bilabial {{IPA|[ɸ]}}) that it was often confused with /hw/ (labiovelar {{IPA|[ʍ]}}) to Noldorin ears. The Noldor opposed this tendency, helped by influence from the [[Telerin]] language, with which they had contact. Whether the Vanyar ever actually did merge /hw/ with /f/ is unclear&mdash;it's possible they did not, considering that the equivilent voiced phonemes /w/ (labiovelar {{IPA|[w]}}) and /v/ (bilabial {{IPA|[β]}}) did not merge among the Vanyar.<br />
;þ (or th): Shortly before the [[Rebellion of the Noldor]], they had begun merging the sound /þ/ (dental {{IPA|[θ]}}) with the sound /s/ (alveolar {{IPA|[s]}}). The Vanyar retained that sound, as did [[Fëanor]] along with [[Sons of Fëanor|his sons]] for a time. V. Þerindë N. Serindë<br />
;z: Around that time, also the Noldor merged the sound /z/ with /r/. Again, it was something not occurring among the Vanyar. V. ázë N. árë<br />
;w: The Exiles (after the [[First Age]]) also simplified initial /w/ to /v/. The Vanyar most presumably kept that distinction. Whether [[Finarfin]]'s Noldor in [[Tirion]] also did this is unclear. V. wanwa N. vanwa<br />
;ñ: After the [[Second Age]] among the Exile, the Noldor simplified the initial sound of /ñ/ (velar {{IPA|[ŋ]}}) to /n/ (coronal {{IPA|[n]}}), but this is not mentioned about Vanyarin. Again, whether this occurred in Tirion is unclear. V. Ñoldo N. Noldo<br />
<br />
===Grammar===<br />
Nothing is known about what differences Vanyarin had from Noldorin, other than it retained the final long vowel in accusative (Eldá, ciryá etc), a feature dropped by the Noldor.<br />
<br />
Originally, [[Primitive Elvish]] formed the plural with the ending -î. The Noldor invented the ending -r for words that end in a vowel (Valai > Valar) something that the Vanyar adopted. In adjectives, the -i was assimilated in Noldorin (vanima > vanimë) but it is not known if the Vanyar followed this.<br />
===Vocabulary===<br />
Quenya borrowed some words from Valarin, like the names of the Valar and the names ''[[Máhanaxar]]'' and ''[[Ezellohar]]''. The Vanyar had this custom more frequently even in simple words. Some of them are the color words ''[[ulban]]'' (Q. ''[[luin]]''), ''[[ezello]]'' (Q. ''[[laiqua]]''), ''[[nasar]]'' (Q. ''[[carnë]]'') and ''[[tulka]]'' (Q. ''[[malina]]'').<br />
<br />
Some other known Quenya words are said to bear some influence from [[Sindarin]] which happened only to the Noldorin exiles. For example ''[[Orcs|orco]]'' derives from ''[[Orcs|urco]]'', but after influence from Sindarin ''[[orch]]''. Such words should be ruled out from the Vanyarin vocabulary.<br />
<br />
==Etymology==<br />
<br />
''Quendya'' is the archaic name of the word Quenya which Tolkien said was still used among the Vanyar, therefore they would refer to their language as such. Although it still would encompass the dialects of the Noldor and the Teleri.{{fact}}<br />
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==Other versions of the legendarium==<br />
In ''[[The Book of Lost Tales]]'', the First Elves were called [[Lindar]] and their language was called [[Qenya]]. The other Elves spoke [[Old Noldorin]] (intead of Quenya) and [[Solosimpin]] (instead of Telerin).<br />
==See also==<br />
*[[Exilic Quenya]]<br />
==External links==<br />
*[http://www.science-and-fiction.org/elvish/vanyarin_quenya.html Vanyarin Quenya] article by [[Thorsten Renk]]<br />
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<div>'''Vanyarin''',<ref>{{PE|19}}, pp. 88, 128</ref><ref>{{VT|42a}}, p. 26</ref> or '''Vanyarin Quenya''' and also sometimes called '''Quendya''' (pron. {{IPA|[ˈkʷeɲɟa]}}) is the dialect of [[Quenya]] as spoken by the [[Vanyar]] in [[Valimar]], as distinguished from the Noldorin/[[Exilic Quenya]]. <br />
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==History==<br />
The language Quenya evolved in [[Valinor]], but a separation could also be observed there among the [[Vanyar]] and the [[Noldor]], especially considering that the Vanyar decided to abandon [[Eldamar]] and come closer to the [[Valar]] while the Noldor stayed in closer contact with the [[Falmari]] and [[Telerin|their language]].<br />
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The speech of the Vanyar (being closest to the Valar), had many [[Valarin]] loanwords in their language.<ref name="P"/> Furthermore, their dialect was more conservative than that of the Noldor who were more innovative. <br />
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However, the Vanyarin loremasters would give their assent to changes introduced by the Noldor in order to be considered genuine Quenya in their common speech community.<ref name="V">{{VT|41}}</ref> One of those changes was the consonant -r in plural words instead of -i, which the Vanyar adopted.<ref name="P">{{WJ|quendi}}</ref><br />
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Concerning the parallel evolution of the two languages, we are told that [[Fëanor]] viewed the matter of the sound change of ''þ'' to ''s'' by his people as a personal insult to the memory of his mother who was called [[Míriel|Þerindë]], and resisted it<ref>{{PM|Shibboleth}}</ref>. On the other hand, the Vanyar also pronounced the sound ''f-'' very softly, threatening to merge it with ''hw-'', and Fëanor jested them that they would pronounce his name as ''Hwëanáro''<ref name="V"/>.<br />
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Since the Noldor came to [[Middle-earth]] and their language became known among the [[Sindar]], the [[Silvan Elves|Silvan]] and afterwards the [[Dúnedain]], Vanyarin was considered a less known, elusive dialect, spoken only in Valinor.<br />
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==Variations==<br />
Not much is known about how distinct the speech of the Vanyar was from that of the Noldor other than some sound changes which occurred only to the latter. All in all however, the two dialects were virtually identical, with few differences of minor importance; at least before the [[Exile of the Noldor]].<ref>{{PE|19}}, p. 70 (footnote 14)</ref><br />
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===Pronunciation===<br />
;d: Seen in the title of the poem ''[[Aldudénië]]''; intermedial "d" does not exist in classical Quenya, which probably was not the case in Vanyarin.<ref>{{webcite|website=Arda|author=[[Helge Fauskanger]]|articleurl=http://folk.uib.no/hnohf/quen-eng.htm|articlename=Quettaparma Quenyallo}}</ref> On the other hand, the language, composition and etymology of Aldudénie is not known for sure. Except for nd, the usual development of ancient d is to become r in Noldorin Quenya, z in Vanyarin, and d in Telerin (e.g. [[Oarel]]), so Aldudénie might be a Quenya-Telerin hybrid word instead.<br />
;lb: Equivalent to Noldorin /lv/. While (Noldorin) Quenya as we know it, does not allow /lb/, the word ''[[ulban]]'' (borrowed form Valarin), is associated with the Vanyar. Perhaps Vanyarin phonology did allow /lb/.<br />
;ndy: This is a particular sound change which we know occurred in the word ''Quenya'' while the Vanyar still pronounced this word ''Quendya'', without the simplification. Presumably other complex clusters simplified in everyday Quenya speech, were retained in Vanyarin.<br />
;f = ''almost'' hw: Fëanor noted that initial /f/ was so soft (bilabial {{IPA|[ɸ]}}) that it was often confused with /hw/ (labiovelar {{IPA|[ʍ]}}) to Noldorin ears. The Noldor opposed this tendency, helped by influence from the [[Telerin]] language, with which they had contact. Whether the Vanyar ever actually did merge /hw/ with /f/ is unclear&mdash;it's possible they did not, considering that the equivilent voiced phonemes /w/ (labiovelar {{IPA|[w]}}) and /v/ (bilabial {{IPA|[β]}}) did not merge among the Vanyar.<br />
;þ (or th): Shortly before the [[Rebellion of the Noldor]], they had begun merging the sound /þ/ (dental {{IPA|[θ]}}) with the sound /s/ (alveolar {{IPA|[s]}}). The Vanyar retained that sound, as did [[Fëanor]] along with [[Sons of Fëanor|his sons]] for a time. V. Þerindë N. Serindë<br />
;z: Around that time, also the Noldor merged the sound /z/ with /r/. Again, it was something not occurring among the Vanyar. V. ázë N. árë<br />
;w: The Exiles (after the [[First Age]]) also simplified initial /w/ to /v/. The Vanyar most presumably kept that distinction. Whether [[Finarfin]]'s Noldor in [[Tirion]] also did this is unclear. V. wanwa N. vanwa<br />
;ñ: After the [[Second Age]] among the Exile, the Noldor simplified the initial sound of /ñ/ (velar {{IPA|[ŋ]}}) to /n/ (coronal {{IPA|[n]}}), but this is not mentioned about Vanyarin. Again, whether this occurred in Tirion is unclear. V. Ñoldo N. Noldo<br />
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===Grammar===<br />
Nothing is known about what differences Vanyarin had from Noldorin, other than it retained the final long vowel in accusative (Eldá, ciryá etc), a feature dropped by the Noldor.<br />
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Originally, [[Primitive Elvish]] formed the plural with the ending -î. The Noldor invented the ending -r for words that end in a vowel (Valai > Valar) something that the Vanyar adopted. In adjectives, the -i was assimilated in Noldorin (vanima > vanimë) but it is not known if the Vanyar followed this.<br />
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Quenya borrowed some words from Valarin, like the names of the Valar and the names ''[[Máhanaxar]]'' and ''[[Ezellohar]]''. The Vanyar had this custom more frequently even in simple words. Some of them are the color words ''[[ulban]]'' (Q. ''[[luin]]''), ''[[ezello]]'' (Q. ''[[laiqua]]''), ''[[nasar]]'' (Q. ''[[carnë]]'') and ''[[tulka]]'' (Q. ''[[malina]]'').<br />
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Some other known Quenya words are said to bear some influence from [[Sindarin]] which happened only to the Noldorin exiles. For example ''[[Orcs|orco]]'' derives from ''[[Orcs|urco]]'', but after influence from Sindarin ''[[orch]]''. Such words should be ruled out from the Vanyarin vocabulary.<br />
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==Etymology==<br />
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''Quendya'' is the archaic name of the word Quenya which Tolkien said was still used among the Vanyar, therefore they would refer to their language as such. Although it still would encompass the dialects of the Noldor and the Teleri.{{fact}}<br />
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==Other versions of the legendarium==<br />
In ''[[The Book of Lost Tales]]'', the First Elves were called [[Lindar]] and their language was called [[Qenya]]. The other Elves spoke [[Old Noldorin]] (intead of Quenya) and [[Solosimpin]] (instead of Telerin).<br />
==See also==<br />
*[[Exilic Quenya]]<br />
==External links==<br />
*[http://www.science-and-fiction.org/elvish/vanyarin_quenya.html Vanyarin Quenya] article by [[Thorsten Renk]]<br />
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[[Category:Vanyar]]</div>Faenorhttps://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Kirinki&diff=311006Talk:Kirinki2020-03-05T16:59:32Z<p>Faenor: </p>
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<div>Hmmm, bird, red, very rare or even extinct, extraordinary voices at the edge of human perception, and by the way lives in a country where everyone is, like in ancient Egypt, obsessed with death ... I just can't help but think phoenix. Anyone else too?<br />
[[User:Faenor|Faenor]] 16:59, 5 March 2020 (UTC)</div>Faenorhttps://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Kirinki&diff=310900Talk:Kirinki2020-03-02T23:57:03Z<p>Faenor: </p>
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<div>Hmmm, birds, red, very rare or even extinct, extraordinary voices at the edge of human perception, and by the way lives in a country where everyone is, like in ancient Egypt, obsessed with death ... I just can't help but think phoenix. Anyone else too?</div>Faenorhttps://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Kirinki&diff=310899Talk:Kirinki2020-03-02T23:56:32Z<p>Faenor: </p>
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<div>Hmmm, birds, red, very rare or even extinct, extraordinary voices at the edge of human perception, and by the way lives in a country where everyone is, like in ancient Egypt, obsessed with death ... I just can't help but think phoenix. Anyone else too?<br />
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<div>Hmmm, birds, red, very rare or even extinct, extraordinary voices at the edge of human perception, and by the way lives in a country where everyone is, like in ancient Egypt, obsessed with death ... I just can't help but think phoenix. Anyone else too?</div>Faenorhttps://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Talk:Last_Ship&diff=310263Talk:Last Ship2020-02-14T22:14:42Z<p>Faenor: </p>
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<div>We must understand that the words "and some say he dwells there still, until the Last Ship sets sail into the West" derive from the Red Book of Westmarch (see Prologue, "Note on the Shire Records"; Appendix A, first paragraphs), and not from the original Red Book, which has not been preserved, but from a copy of it, the first of them being the Thain's Book, copied in F.A. 172. Thus the speculation about Círdan still dwelling in Mithlond cannot be exactly dated to a period before Elessar's and Arwen's death even if Arwen's words might refer to the fact that Círdan had already left Middle-earth.<br />
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Arwen also may have referred to her own choice: Elrond left but she remained in Middle-earth, and therefore no ship would take her to the West even if she changed her mind. She had made Lúthien's choice and that was irreversible. ''"Nay, dear lord," she said, "that choice is long over. There is now no ship that would bear me hence."'' This is Arwen denying the ''possibility'' of returning to the West. But why Elessar would be less informed about the situation in Mithlond, when he suggests that Arwen might return? Would he even speak about sailing to the West if he knew Círdan had departed? That would have been cruel. --Tik 08:12, 29 March 2019 (UTC)<br />
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P.S. It seems that Hammond and Scull also have their say about Arwen's words: "It is not clear whether Arwen means that she would not be granted a place on a ship, or that the Havens are Deserted and even Círdan has left Middle-earth (see p. 1039, III: 319-20: 'At the Grey Havens dwelt Círdan the Shipwright, and some say he... '). The latter may be implied by Aragorn's statement that Rivendell is now deserted, and later in the tale Lothlórien is said to be silent." (Reader's Companion, p. 702) --Tik 08:25, 29 March 2019 (UTC)<br />
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Didn't the Silmarillion in the end say no records were known to tell when Celeborn left Middle-earth? Well, we do have records up to the death of Eldarion, so I would say the Last Ship left probably thereafter, definitely after the death of Arwen. [[User:Faenor|Faenor]] 22:14, 14 February 2020 (UTC)</div>Faenorhttps://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Last_Ship&diff=310262Last Ship2020-02-14T22:00:32Z<p>Faenor: </p>
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<div>{{quote|At the [[Grey Havens]] dwelt [[Círdan the Shipwright]], and some say he dwells there still, until the Last Ship sets sail into the [[West]].|''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'', [[Appendix A]], ''Eriador, Arnor, and the Heirs of Isildur''}}<br />
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The ''' Last Ship''' was the last ship, built by [[Círdan]], that sailed from the [[Grey Havens]] into the [[Uttermost West]] carrying the last [[Elves]] from [[Middle-earth]].<br />
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[[Círdan]] maintained the haven at least into the [[Fourth Age]], but it was recognized that eventually, its purpose would reach an end when no more Elves wished to cross the [[Sea]]. At that time, Círdan would abandon the Grey Havens and finally travel the [[Straight Road]] himself.<br />
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The Last Ship might have sailed before {{FoA|120}} based on [[Aragorn]]'s final words to [[Arwen]]. Aragorn suggests Arwen might still sail into the West, and one of the reasons she gives that this is impossible is that "There is now no ship that would bear me hence...".<ref name=AppTale>{{App|Tale}}</ref> This might imply that the Last Ship had already sailed by {{FoA|120}}, the year in which this conversation took place.<ref name=AppTale/><br />
Alternatively, it might mean that Arwen, having lost her immortality and given her place on the White Ship to Frodo, thought that she had forfeited the right to live in the [[Undying Lands]]. If so, the Last Ship might have sailed after {{FoA|120}}.<br />
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[[Celeborn]] eventually sought the Grey Havens, taking with him the last memory of the [[Elder Days]] in [[Middle-earth]]. Since Círdan and Celeborn are among the only Elves of the Elder Days in Middle-earth, they took the Last Ship together.<ref>{{FR|Prologue}}</ref><br />
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*[[White Ship]]<br />
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<div>{{quote|At the [[Grey Havens]] dwelt [[Círdan the Shipwright]], and some say he dwells there still, until the Last Ship sets sail into the [[West]].|''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'', [[Appendix A]], ''Eriador, Arnor, and the Heirs of Isildur''}}<br />
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The ''' Last Ship''' was the last ship, built by [[Círdan]], that sailed from the [[Grey Havens]] into the [[Uttermost West]] carrying the last [[Elves]] from [[Middle-earth]].<br />
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[[Círdan]] maintained the haven at least into the [[Fourth Age]], but it was recognized that eventually, its purpose would reach an end when no more Elves wished to cross the [[Sea]]. At that time, Círdan would abandon the Grey Havens and finally travel the [[Straight Road]] himself.<br />
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The Last Ship might have sailed before {{FoA|120}} based on [[Aragorn]]'s final words to [[Arwen]]. Aragorn suggests Arwen might still sail into the West, and one of the reasons she gives that this is impossible is that "There is now no ship that would bear me hence...".<ref name=AppTale>{{App|Tale}}</ref> This might imply that the Last Ship had already sailed by {{FoA|120}}, the year in which this conversation took place.<ref name=AppTale/><br />
Alternatively, it might mean that Arwen was no longer counted as an Elf and that her species had changed when she married Aragorn. [[Tuor]] was counted as a Noldo, [[Lúthien]] died the death of a mortal, and now Arwen had become mortal herself. She had also given Frodo her place on the [[White Ship]], so she might have thought that she had forfeited the right to live in the [[Undying Lands]]. If those were her thoughts, the Last Ship might have sailed after {{FoA|120}}.<br />
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[[Celeborn]] eventually sought the Grey Havens, taking with him the last memory of the [[Elder Days]] in [[Middle-earth]]. Since Círdan and Celeborn are among the only Elves of the Elder Days in Middle-earth, they took the Last Ship together.<ref>{{FR|Prologue}}</ref><br />
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*[[White Ship]]<br />
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<div>{{quote|At the [[Grey Havens]] dwelt [[Círdan the Shipwright]], and some say he dwells there still, until the Last Ship sets sail into the [[West]].|''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'', [[Appendix A]], ''Eriador, Arnor, and the Heirs of Isildur''}}<br />
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The ''' Last Ship''' was the last ship, built by [[Círdan]], that sailed from the [[Grey Havens]] into the [[Uttermost West]] carrying the last [[Elves]] from [[Middle-earth]].<br />
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[[Círdan]] maintained the haven at least into the [[Fourth Age]], but it was recognized that eventually, its purpose would reach an end when no more Elves wished to cross the [[Sea]]. At that time, Círdan would abandon the Grey Havens and finally travel the [[Straight Road]] himself.<br />
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The Last Ship might have sailed before {{FoA|120}} based on [[Aragorn]]'s final words to [[Arwen]]. Aragorn suggests Arwen might still sail into the West, and one of the reasons she gives that this is impossible is that "There is now no ship that would bear me hence...".<ref name=AppTale>{{App|Tale}}</ref> This might imply that the Last Ship had already sailed by {{FoA|120}}, the year in which this conversation took place.<ref name=AppTale/><br />
Alternatively, it might mean that Arwen was no longer counted as an Elf and that her species had changed when she married Aragorn. [[Tuor]] was counted as a Noldo, [[Lúthien]] died the death of a mortal, and now Arwen had become mortal herself. She had also given Frodo her place on the [[White Ship]], so she might have thought that she had forfeited the right to live in the [[Undying Lands]].<br />
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[[Celeborn]] eventually sought the Grey Havens, taking with him the last memory of the [[Elder Days]] in [[Middle-earth]]. Since Círdan and Celeborn are among the only Elves of the Elder Days in Middle-earth, they took the Last Ship together.<ref>{{FR|Prologue}}</ref><br />
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*[[White Ship]]<br />
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[[Category:Ships]]</div>Faenorhttps://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Tom_Bombadil/Nature&diff=310259Tom Bombadil/Nature2020-02-14T20:56:26Z<p>Faenor: /* Tom as an Ainu */</p>
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[[Tom Bombadil|Tom Bombadil's]] mythological origins in the internal cosmology of [[Middle-earth]] have puzzled even erudite fans. For example, the fact that the Ring had no power on Tom would either suggest that Tom existed in both the [[Seen]] and the [[Unseen]] realms or that the Unseen had no effect on him since "He is his own master".<br />
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Speculative ideas about his true nature range from simply a wise [[Elves|Elven]] hermit to a [[Maiar|Maia]] or [[Valar|Vala]], to even [[Ilúvatar|Eru Ilúvatar]] himself. <br />
==Tom as Eru==<br />
When Goldberry was asked by [[Frodo Baggins]] who he was, she simply said "He is" which parallels the scriptural name of God in Christianity, "ho on" (The Being - the One who is). Goldberry also said that Tom is simply "the Master",<ref name="Council">{{FR|Council}}</ref> and the theory that Tom is an incarnation, embodiment or "avatar" of Eru has been favored by the fans.<ref name="FAQ">[http://tolkien.slimy.com Tolkien Meta-FAQ], "[http://tolkien.slimy.com/essays/Bombadil.html What is Tom Bombadil?]", last updated 27 October 2002 (accessed 23 October 2010)</ref><br />
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However Tolkien later remarked that this dialogue was not a reference to God, the way that priests called "Father" does not allude to God.<ref name="L153">{{L|153}}</ref><br />
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In the Council of Elrond it was mentioned that Tom has limited knowledge and understanding of the powers of the Ring, a limitation that the creator God arguably would not have.<br />
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It must be added that Tolkien was a devout Roman Catholic, so the idea of an incarnation of the Creator being married may not have been well received by him; he explicitly said that the idea of God's Incarnation was too large to fit in his work.<ref name="L181">{{L|181}}</ref><br />
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In any case however, Tolkien experimented with this idea in the ''[[Athrabeth Finrod ah Andreth]]'' about a future incarnation or Eru into the world.<br />
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==Tom as an Ainu==<br />
If we reject the Eru theory, the most common possible explanation is that Tom is an [[Ainur|Ainu]] such as a Vala.<ref name="FAQ" /> Tom seems to have unlimited power inside the boundaries that he set for himself and perhaps the reason of why he has such powers might be the fact that he set himself limits in which he is master.<br />
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However since all seven Valar are accounted and known by their names,<ref name="Val">{{S|Vala}}</ref> one has to associate one with Tom. For instance, a theory identifies Tom with [[Aulë]] (and Goldberry with [[Yavanna]]).<ref>[http://www.cas.unt.edu/~hargrove/index.html Gene Hargrove], "[http://www.cas.unt.edu/~hargrove/bombadil.html Who is Tom Bombadil?]" (accessed 23 October 2010)</ref> Furthermore, it is nowhere referred that Aulë or any other Vala abandoned Valinor to live on [[Middle-earth]] and such an explanation becomes risky and radical. The most common theory is, therefore, that Bombadil is just a "rogue" Maia who perhaps stayed behind and did not follow the other Ainur at the [[Breaking of the World]]. In contrast to the seven Valar, the Maiar are an unknown number,<ref name="Val" /> so it's easy to associate Tom with them.<br />
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Tom remembers himself to be the "[[Eldest]], that's what I am... Tom remembers the first raindrop and the first acorn... He knew the dark under the stars when it was fearless – before the Dark Lord came from [[Timeless Halls|Outside]]". Eldest is also a title given to [[Treebeard]].<br />
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If Tom refers to the original arrival of [[Morgoth|Melkor]], who was the first Vala to enter [[Arda]], Tom was already there even before all the [[Valar]]<ref name="Days">{{S|Days}}</ref>, dismissing the theory that he is a Vala or a Maia. However, it is possible that Tom had been a Maia that was sent to "test" the newly-created world, or ventured there on his own accord before the Valar themselves visited it. Alternatively, Tom might have referred to Morgoth's return to Ea after he had fled from Tulkas. This would still make him mythologically old and not contradict the theory of him being a Maia. Also, if Tom was refering to Sauron as the Dark Lord, then being a Maia would not be as far fetched too.<br />
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Something else that might indicate his association with the Maiar is Gandalf's visit. At the end of the Third Age, after Sauron was defeated, Gandalf's mission was done and he had nothing left to do in Middle-earth. Having fulfilled his divine quest, even helping the Hobbits against the ruffians in the Shire did not matter to him anymore, but talking with Tom Bombadil did. Thus, Bombadil must have been immensely important to Gandalf. Assuming that they were of the same species and that Gandalf might have offered him a place on the [[White Ship]] would be one of the easiest ways to explain why.<br />
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One possible drawback was his relationship to the Good and Evil and the [[Unseen]] realm, which is evident on the effect of [[the One Ring]] on him. The Ring (containing Sauron's essence) had no effect on him although it had some effect on [[Saruman]] and [[Gandalf]]. Also, Gandalf in the Council of Elrond said that Tom is "neutral" and would not understand the cause of the [[Free peoples]], while all other known Maiar had their sides.<br />
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[[Robert Foster]] in ''[[The Complete Guide to Middle-earth]]'' indeed identifies Tom, [[Goldberry]] and the [[River-woman]] as Maiar.<br />
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==Tom as a nature sprite==<br />
A more radical and abstract theory is that he is possibly the embodiment of [[Arda]] itself, a "Father Nature", or some kind of '[[sprites|sprite]]' which (unlike the greater [[Ainur|Ainu]] spirits) were of non-divine nature. Not only does the Ring have no effect on him, Tom himself seems unable to affect the Ring in return which shows that Tom was outside the divine plan and Good vs Evil struggle and had no position in it.<ref name="Council" /> Bombadil could have been created as a side-effect of the [[Music of the Ainur]] and that would explain why he was there in the beginning. <br />
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His Elvish name "Eldest Fatherless" can support this notion: since he is only a part of creation, he has no "father", while the Ainur have ([[Ilúvatar|Eru]]).<br />
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This also would be consistent with his neutrality: Nature is neutral and has no morality.<br />
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One problem with this theory is the Ring not having power over him. It is clear that the three elvish rings possess power over nature so one has to wonder if Tom is some spirit of nature why would the One Ring not have power over him?<br />
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Another problem with this explanation is that no such beings are mentioned elsewhere in late writings such as ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'' (although one could argue that the [[sprites|sprites and fays]], found in such early writings as the ''[[The Book of Lost Tales (disambiguation)|Book of Lost Tales]]'', would fit this description).<br />
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==Tom as the Spirit of the Music of the Ainur==<br />
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This theory is a variant of the nature spirit theory, asserting that in his essence Tom is the Spirit of the [[Music of the Ainur]]. According to its proponent, this would explain his unique power and its limitations, his timelessness, his disposition, his affinity to song, his power via song over trees and barrow-wights and many of the other oddities found in his character.<br />
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This theory operates with the understanding that any spirit must be understood to be what they are personally most related to. The argument is that Tom, though close to nature, ultimately separates himself from the Forest by battling against Old Man Willow and by having a different disposition than that of the Old Forest which is described as dark and full of hate for everything that goes about freely. Tom on the other hand, points to song constantly even when fighting the barrow-wight: "None has ever caught him yet, for Tom, he is the Master: His songs are stronger songs,and his feet are faster".<ref>{{webcite|author=Unknown (alias: "Ranger From the North")|articleurl=http://www.whoistombombadil.blogspot.com |articlename=Who is Tom Bombadil?|dated=|website=|accessed=12 January 2013}}</ref><br />
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==Beings like him==<br />
Whatever his nature, another question about Bombadil is whether he is one-of-a-kind being, or if he has other colleagues in other parts of Arda. Bombadil could be for example the one and single "spirit of all Arda", or just the "spirit of the Old Forest" with other such beings in other forests. <br />
<br />
The nature of Goldberry (and [[River-woman]]) is also obscure. They could be the same kind of being like himself, or his female counterpart(s). If we had more knowledge about them, we could partially answer the question about Tom as well.<br />
<br />
Gandalf, when narrating his fight with [[Durin's Bane]], mentions tunnels made by [[Nameless Things|dark nameless things]] whose existence Sauron knows not, since they are "older than him".<ref>{{TT|White}}</ref><br />
<br />
{{references}}<br />
==External links==<br />
* [http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/t/tombombadil.html Entry in the Encyclopedia of Arda] (a concise overview of the discussion)<br />
* [http://tolkien.slimy.com/essays/Bombadil.html ''What is Tom Bombadil?''] by Steuard Jensen (a detailed explanation)<br />
* [http://www.cas.unt.edu/~hargrove/bombadil.html ''Who is Tom Bombadil?''] by Gene Hargrove (a somewhat unorthodox but well-presented essay)<br />
* [http://www.whoistombombadil.blogspot.com "Who is Tom Bombadil?"] by Ranger from the North (an extensive argument for the Music Theory)<br />
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[[Image:John Howe - Tom Bombadil.jpg|thumb|[[John Howe]] - ''Tom Bombadil'']]<br />
{{quote|He is a strange creature|[[Elrond]], ''[[The Council of Elrond]]''}}<br />
[[Tom Bombadil|Tom Bombadil's]] mythological origins in the internal cosmology of [[Middle-earth]] have puzzled even erudite fans. For example, the fact that the Ring had no power on Tom would either suggest that Tom existed in both the [[Seen]] and the [[Unseen]] realms or that the Unseen had no effect on him since "He is his own master".<br />
<br />
Speculative ideas about his true nature range from simply a wise [[Elves|Elven]] hermit to a [[Maiar|Maia]] or [[Valar|Vala]], to even [[Ilúvatar|Eru Ilúvatar]] himself. <br />
==Tom as Eru==<br />
When Goldberry was asked by [[Frodo Baggins]] who he was, she simply said "He is" which parallels the scriptural name of God in Christianity, "ho on" (The Being - the One who is). Goldberry also said that Tom is simply "the Master",<ref name="Council">{{FR|Council}}</ref> and the theory that Tom is an incarnation, embodiment or "avatar" of Eru has been favored by the fans.<ref name="FAQ">[http://tolkien.slimy.com Tolkien Meta-FAQ], "[http://tolkien.slimy.com/essays/Bombadil.html What is Tom Bombadil?]", last updated 27 October 2002 (accessed 23 October 2010)</ref><br />
<br />
However Tolkien later remarked that this dialogue was not a reference to God, the way that priests called "Father" does not allude to God.<ref name="L153">{{L|153}}</ref><br />
<br />
In the Council of Elrond it was mentioned that Tom has limited knowledge and understanding of the powers of the Ring, a limitation that the creator God arguably would not have.<br />
<br />
It must be added that Tolkien was a devout Roman Catholic, so the idea of an incarnation of the Creator being married may not have been well received by him; he explicitly said that the idea of God's Incarnation was too large to fit in his work.<ref name="L181">{{L|181}}</ref><br />
<br />
In any case however, Tolkien experimented with this idea in the ''[[Athrabeth Finrod ah Andreth]]'' about a future incarnation or Eru into the world.<br />
<br />
==Tom as an Ainu==<br />
If we reject the Eru theory, the most common possible explanation is that Tom is an [[Ainur|Ainu]] such as a Vala.<ref name="FAQ" /> Tom seems to have unlimited power inside the boundaries that he set for himself and perhaps the reason of why he has such powers might be the fact that he set himself limits in which he is master.<br />
<br />
However since all seven Valar are accounted and known by their names,<ref name="Val">{{S|Vala}}</ref> one has to associate one with Tom. For instance, a theory identifies Tom with [[Aulë]] (and Goldberry with [[Yavanna]]).<ref>[http://www.cas.unt.edu/~hargrove/index.html Gene Hargrove], "[http://www.cas.unt.edu/~hargrove/bombadil.html Who is Tom Bombadil?]" (accessed 23 October 2010)</ref> Furthermore, it is nowhere referred that Aulë or any other Vala abandoned Valinor to live on [[Middle-earth]] and such an explanation becomes risky and radical. The most common theory is, therefore, that Bombadil is just a "rogue" Maia who perhaps stayed behind and did not follow the other Ainur at the [[Breaking of the World]]. In contrast to the seven Valar, the Maiar are an unknown number,<ref name="Val" /> so it's easy to associate Tom with them.<br />
<br />
Tom remembers himself to be the "[[Eldest]], that's what I am... Tom remembers the first raindrop and the first acorn... He knew the dark under the stars when it was fearless – before the Dark Lord came from [[Timeless Halls|Outside]]". Eldest is also a title given to [[Treebeard]].<br />
<br />
If Tom refers to the original arrival of [[Morgoth|Melkor]], who was the first Vala to enter [[Arda]], Tom was already there even before all the [[Valar]]<ref name="Days">{{S|Days}}</ref>, dismissing the theory that he is a Vala or a Maia. However, it is possible that Tom had been a Maia that was sent to "test" the newly-created world, or ventured there on his own accord before the Valar themselves visited it. Alternatively, Tom might have referred to Morgoth's return to Ea after he had fled from Tulkas. This would still make him mythologically old and not contradict the theory of him being a Maia. Also, if Tom was refering to Sauron as the Dark Lord, then being a Maia would not be as far fetched too.<br />
<br />
One possible drawback was his relationship to the Good and Evil and the [[Unseen]] realm, which is evident on the effect of [[the One Ring]] on him. The Ring (containing Sauron's essence) had no effect on him although it had some effect on [[Saruman]] and [[Gandalf]]. Also, Gandalf in the Council of Elrond said that Tom is "neutral" and would not understand the cause of the [[Free peoples]], while all other known Maiar had their sides.<br />
<br />
Something else that might indicate his association with the Maiar is Gandalf's visit. At the end of the Third Age, after Sauron was defeated, Gandalf's mission was done and he had nothing left to do in Middle-earth. Having fulfilled his divine quest, even helping the Hobbits against the ruffians in the Shire did not matter to him anymore, but talking with Tom Bombadil did. Thus, Bombadil must have been immensely important to Gandalf. Assuming that they were of the same species and that Gandalf might have offered him a place on the [[White Ship]] would be one of the easiest ways to explain why.<br />
<br />
[[Robert Foster]] in ''[[The Complete Guide to Middle-earth]]'' indeed identifies Tom, [[Goldberry]] and the [[River-woman]] as Maiar.<br />
<br />
==Tom as a nature sprite==<br />
A more radical and abstract theory is that he is possibly the embodiment of [[Arda]] itself, a "Father Nature", or some kind of '[[sprites|sprite]]' which (unlike the greater [[Ainur|Ainu]] spirits) were of non-divine nature. Not only does the Ring have no effect on him, Tom himself seems unable to affect the Ring in return which shows that Tom was outside the divine plan and Good vs Evil struggle and had no position in it.<ref name="Council" /> Bombadil could have been created as a side-effect of the [[Music of the Ainur]] and that would explain why he was there in the beginning. <br />
<br />
His Elvish name "Eldest Fatherless" can support this notion: since he is only a part of creation, he has no "father", while the Ainur have ([[Ilúvatar|Eru]]).<br />
<br />
This also would be consistent with his neutrality: Nature is neutral and has no morality.<br />
<br />
One problem with this theory is the Ring not having power over him. It is clear that the three elvish rings possess power over nature so one has to wonder if Tom is some spirit of nature why would the One Ring not have power over him?<br />
<br />
Another problem with this explanation is that no such beings are mentioned elsewhere in late writings such as ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'' (although one could argue that the [[sprites|sprites and fays]], found in such early writings as the ''[[The Book of Lost Tales (disambiguation)|Book of Lost Tales]]'', would fit this description).<br />
<br />
==Tom as the Spirit of the Music of the Ainur==<br />
<br />
This theory is a variant of the nature spirit theory, asserting that in his essence Tom is the Spirit of the [[Music of the Ainur]]. According to its proponent, this would explain his unique power and its limitations, his timelessness, his disposition, his affinity to song, his power via song over trees and barrow-wights and many of the other oddities found in his character.<br />
<br />
This theory operates with the understanding that any spirit must be understood to be what they are personally most related to. The argument is that Tom, though close to nature, ultimately separates himself from the Forest by battling against Old Man Willow and by having a different disposition than that of the Old Forest which is described as dark and full of hate for everything that goes about freely. Tom on the other hand, points to song constantly even when fighting the barrow-wight: "None has ever caught him yet, for Tom, he is the Master: His songs are stronger songs,and his feet are faster".<ref>{{webcite|author=Unknown (alias: "Ranger From the North")|articleurl=http://www.whoistombombadil.blogspot.com |articlename=Who is Tom Bombadil?|dated=|website=|accessed=12 January 2013}}</ref><br />
<br />
==Beings like him==<br />
Whatever his nature, another question about Bombadil is whether he is one-of-a-kind being, or if he has other colleagues in other parts of Arda. Bombadil could be for example the one and single "spirit of all Arda", or just the "spirit of the Old Forest" with other such beings in other forests. <br />
<br />
The nature of Goldberry (and [[River-woman]]) is also obscure. They could be the same kind of being like himself, or his female counterpart(s). If we had more knowledge about them, we could partially answer the question about Tom as well.<br />
<br />
Gandalf, when narrating his fight with [[Durin's Bane]], mentions tunnels made by [[Nameless Things|dark nameless things]] whose existence Sauron knows not, since they are "older than him".<ref>{{TT|White}}</ref><br />
<br />
{{references}}<br />
==External links==<br />
* [http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/t/tombombadil.html Entry in the Encyclopedia of Arda] (a concise overview of the discussion)<br />
* [http://tolkien.slimy.com/essays/Bombadil.html ''What is Tom Bombadil?''] by Steuard Jensen (a detailed explanation)<br />
* [http://www.cas.unt.edu/~hargrove/bombadil.html ''Who is Tom Bombadil?''] by Gene Hargrove (a somewhat unorthodox but well-presented essay)<br />
* [http://www.whoistombombadil.blogspot.com "Who is Tom Bombadil?"] by Ranger from the North (an extensive argument for the Music Theory)<br />
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[[Image:John Howe - Tom Bombadil.jpg|thumb|[[John Howe]] - ''Tom Bombadil'']]<br />
{{quote|He is a strange creature|[[Elrond]], ''[[The Council of Elrond]]''}}<br />
[[Tom Bombadil|Tom Bombadil's]] mythological origins in the internal cosmology of [[Middle-earth]] have puzzled even erudite fans. For example, the fact that the Ring had no power on Tom would either suggest that Tom existed in both the [[Seen]] and the [[Unseen]] realms or that the Unseen had no effect on him since "He is his own master".<br />
<br />
Speculative ideas about his true nature range from simply a wise [[Elves|Elven]] hermit to a [[Maiar|Maia]] or [[Valar|Vala]], to even [[Ilúvatar|Eru Ilúvatar]] himself. <br />
==Tom as Eru==<br />
When Goldberry was asked by [[Frodo Baggins]] who he was, she simply said "He is" which parallels the scriptural name of God in Christianity, "ho on" (The Being - the One who is). Goldberry also said that Tom is simply "the Master",<ref name="Council">{{FR|Council}}</ref> and the theory that Tom is an incarnation, embodiment or "avatar" of Eru has been favored by the fans.<ref name="FAQ">[http://tolkien.slimy.com Tolkien Meta-FAQ], "[http://tolkien.slimy.com/essays/Bombadil.html What is Tom Bombadil?]", last updated 27 October 2002 (accessed 23 October 2010)</ref><br />
<br />
However Tolkien later remarked that this dialogue was not a reference to God, the way that priests called "Father" does not allude to God.<ref name="L153">{{L|153}}</ref><br />
<br />
In the Council of Elrond it was mentioned that Tom has limited knowledge and understanding of the powers of the Ring, a limitation that the creator God arguably would not have.<br />
<br />
It must be added that Tolkien was a devout Roman Catholic, so the idea of an incarnation of the Creator being married may not have been well received by him; he explicitly said that the idea of God's Incarnation was too large to fit in his work.<ref name="L181">{{L|181}}</ref><br />
<br />
In any case however, Tolkien experimented with this idea in the ''[[Athrabeth Finrod ah Andreth]]'' about a future incarnation or Eru into the world.<br />
<br />
==Tom as an Ainu==<br />
If we reject the Eru theory, the most common possible explanation is that Tom is an [[Ainur|Ainu]] such as a Vala.<ref name="FAQ" /> Tom seems to have unlimited power inside the boundaries that he set for himself and perhaps the reason of why he has such powers might be the fact that he set himself limits in which he is master.<br />
<br />
However since all seven Valar are accounted and known by their names,<ref name="Val">{{S|Vala}}</ref> one has to associate one with Tom. For instance, a theory identifies Tom with [[Aulë]] (and Goldberry with [[Yavanna]]).<ref>[http://www.cas.unt.edu/~hargrove/index.html Gene Hargrove], "[http://www.cas.unt.edu/~hargrove/bombadil.html Who is Tom Bombadil?]" (accessed 23 October 2010)</ref> Furthermore, it is nowhere referred that Aulë or any other Vala abandoned Valinor to live on [[Middle-earth]] and such an explanation becomes risky and radical. The most common theory is, therefore, that Bombadil is just a "rogue" Maia who perhaps stayed behind and did not follow the other Ainur at the [[Breaking of the World]]. In contrast to the seven Valar, the Maiar are an unknown number,<ref name="Val" /> so it's easy to associate Tom with them.<br />
<br />
Tom remembers himself to be the "[[Eldest]], that's what I am... Tom remembers the first raindrop and the first acorn... He knew the dark under the stars when it was fearless – before the Dark Lord came from [[Timeless Halls|Outside]]". Eldest is also a title given to [[Treebeard]].<br />
<br />
If Tom refers to the original arrival of [[Morgoth|Melkor]], who was the first Vala to enter [[Arda]], Tom was already there even before all the [[Valar]]<ref name="Days">{{S|Days}}</ref>, dismissing the theory that he is a Vala or a Maia. However, it is possible that Tom had been a Maia that was sent to "test" the newly-created world, or ventured there on his own accord before the Valar themselves visited it. Alternatively, Tom might have referred to Morgoth's return to Ea after he had fled from Tulkas. This would still make him mythologically old and not contradict the theory of him being a Maia. Also, if Tom was refering to Sauron as the Dark Lord, then being a Maia would not be as far fetched too.<br />
<br />
One possible drawback was his relationship to the Good and Evil and the [[Unseen]] realm, which is evident on the effect of [[the One Ring]] on him. The Ring (containing Sauron's essence) had no effect on him although it had some effect on [[Saruman]] and [[Gandalf]]. Also, Gandalf in the Council of Elrond said that Tom is "neutral" and would not understand the cause of the [[Free peoples]], while all other known Maiar had their sides.<br />
<br />
Something else that might indicate his association with the Maiar is Gandalf's visit. At the end of the Third Age, after Sauron was defeated, Gandalf's mission was done and he had nothing left to do in Middle-earth. Having fulfilled his divine quest, even helping the Hobbits against the ruffians in the Shire did not matter to him anymore, but talking with Tom Bombadil did. Thus, Bombadil must have been immensely important to Gandalf. Assuming that they were of the same species and that Gandalf might have offered him a place on the [[Last Ship]] would be one of the easiest ways to explain why.<br />
<br />
[[Robert Foster]] in ''[[The Complete Guide to Middle-earth]]'' indeed identifies Tom, [[Goldberry]] and the [[River-woman]] as Maiar.<br />
<br />
==Tom as a nature sprite==<br />
A more radical and abstract theory is that he is possibly the embodiment of [[Arda]] itself, a "Father Nature", or some kind of '[[sprites|sprite]]' which (unlike the greater [[Ainur|Ainu]] spirits) were of non-divine nature. Not only does the Ring have no effect on him, Tom himself seems unable to affect the Ring in return which shows that Tom was outside the divine plan and Good vs Evil struggle and had no position in it.<ref name="Council" /> Bombadil could have been created as a side-effect of the [[Music of the Ainur]] and that would explain why he was there in the beginning. <br />
<br />
His Elvish name "Eldest Fatherless" can support this notion: since he is only a part of creation, he has no "father", while the Ainur have ([[Ilúvatar|Eru]]).<br />
<br />
This also would be consistent with his neutrality: Nature is neutral and has no morality.<br />
<br />
One problem with this theory is the Ring not having power over him. It is clear that the three elvish rings possess power over nature so one has to wonder if Tom is some spirit of nature why would the One Ring not have power over him?<br />
<br />
Another problem with this explanation is that no such beings are mentioned elsewhere in late writings such as ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'' (although one could argue that the [[sprites|sprites and fays]], found in such early writings as the ''[[The Book of Lost Tales (disambiguation)|Book of Lost Tales]]'', would fit this description).<br />
<br />
==Tom as the Spirit of the Music of the Ainur==<br />
<br />
This theory is a variant of the nature spirit theory, asserting that in his essence Tom is the Spirit of the [[Music of the Ainur]]. According to its proponent, this would explain his unique power and its limitations, his timelessness, his disposition, his affinity to song, his power via song over trees and barrow-wights and many of the other oddities found in his character.<br />
<br />
This theory operates with the understanding that any spirit must be understood to be what they are personally most related to. The argument is that Tom, though close to nature, ultimately separates himself from the Forest by battling against Old Man Willow and by having a different disposition than that of the Old Forest which is described as dark and full of hate for everything that goes about freely. Tom on the other hand, points to song constantly even when fighting the barrow-wight: "None has ever caught him yet, for Tom, he is the Master: His songs are stronger songs,and his feet are faster".<ref>{{webcite|author=Unknown (alias: "Ranger From the North")|articleurl=http://www.whoistombombadil.blogspot.com |articlename=Who is Tom Bombadil?|dated=|website=|accessed=12 January 2013}}</ref><br />
<br />
==Beings like him==<br />
Whatever his nature, another question about Bombadil is whether he is one-of-a-kind being, or if he has other colleagues in other parts of Arda. Bombadil could be for example the one and single "spirit of all Arda", or just the "spirit of the Old Forest" with other such beings in other forests. <br />
<br />
The nature of Goldberry (and [[River-woman]]) is also obscure. They could be the same kind of being like himself, or his female counterpart(s). If we had more knowledge about them, we could partially answer the question about Tom as well.<br />
<br />
Gandalf, when narrating his fight with [[Durin's Bane]], mentions tunnels made by [[Nameless Things|dark nameless things]] whose existence Sauron knows not, since they are "older than him".<ref>{{TT|White}}</ref><br />
<br />
{{references}}<br />
==External links==<br />
* [http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/t/tombombadil.html Entry in the Encyclopedia of Arda] (a concise overview of the discussion)<br />
* [http://tolkien.slimy.com/essays/Bombadil.html ''What is Tom Bombadil?''] by Steuard Jensen (a detailed explanation)<br />
* [http://www.cas.unt.edu/~hargrove/bombadil.html ''Who is Tom Bombadil?''] by Gene Hargrove (a somewhat unorthodox but well-presented essay)<br />
* [http://www.whoistombombadil.blogspot.com "Who is Tom Bombadil?"] by Ranger from the North (an extensive argument for the Music Theory)<br />
[[Category:Debates]]</div>Faenorhttps://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Tom_Bombadil/Nature&diff=310256Tom Bombadil/Nature2020-02-14T20:49:16Z<p>Faenor: /* Tom as an Ainu */</p>
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[[Image:John Howe - Tom Bombadil.jpg|thumb|[[John Howe]] - ''Tom Bombadil'']]<br />
{{quote|He is a strange creature|[[Elrond]], ''[[The Council of Elrond]]''}}<br />
[[Tom Bombadil|Tom Bombadil's]] mythological origins in the internal cosmology of [[Middle-earth]] have puzzled even erudite fans. For example, the fact that the Ring had no power on Tom would either suggest that Tom existed in both the [[Seen]] and the [[Unseen]] realms or that the Unseen had no effect on him since "He is his own master".<br />
<br />
Speculative ideas about his true nature range from simply a wise [[Elves|Elven]] hermit to a [[Maiar|Maia]] or [[Valar|Vala]], to even [[Ilúvatar|Eru Ilúvatar]] himself. <br />
==Tom as Eru==<br />
When Goldberry was asked by [[Frodo Baggins]] who he was, she simply said "He is" which parallels the scriptural name of God in Christianity, "ho on" (The Being - the One who is). Goldberry also said that Tom is simply "the Master",<ref name="Council">{{FR|Council}}</ref> and the theory that Tom is an incarnation, embodiment or "avatar" of Eru has been favored by the fans.<ref name="FAQ">[http://tolkien.slimy.com Tolkien Meta-FAQ], "[http://tolkien.slimy.com/essays/Bombadil.html What is Tom Bombadil?]", last updated 27 October 2002 (accessed 23 October 2010)</ref><br />
<br />
However Tolkien later remarked that this dialogue was not a reference to God, the way that priests called "Father" does not allude to God.<ref name="L153">{{L|153}}</ref><br />
<br />
In the Council of Elrond it was mentioned that Tom has limited knowledge and understanding of the powers of the Ring, a limitation that the creator God arguably would not have.<br />
<br />
It must be added that Tolkien was a devout Roman Catholic, so the idea of an incarnation of the Creator being married may not have been well received by him; he explicitly said that the idea of God's Incarnation was too large to fit in his work.<ref name="L181">{{L|181}}</ref><br />
<br />
In any case however, Tolkien experimented with this idea in the ''[[Athrabeth Finrod ah Andreth]]'' about a future incarnation or Eru into the world.<br />
<br />
==Tom as an Ainu==<br />
If we reject the Eru theory, the most common possible explanation is that Tom is an [[Ainur|Ainu]] such as a Vala.<ref name="FAQ" /> Tom seems to have unlimited power inside the boundaries that he set for himself and perhaps the reason of why he has such powers might be the fact that he set himself limits in which he is master.<br />
<br />
However since all seven Valar are accounted and known by their names,<ref name="Val">{{S|Vala}}</ref> one has to associate one with Tom. For instance, a theory identifies Tom with [[Aulë]] (and Goldberry with [[Yavanna]]).<ref>[http://www.cas.unt.edu/~hargrove/index.html Gene Hargrove], "[http://www.cas.unt.edu/~hargrove/bombadil.html Who is Tom Bombadil?]" (accessed 23 October 2010)</ref> Furthermore, it is nowhere referred that Aulë or any other Vala abandoned Valinor to live on [[Middle-earth]] and such an explanation becomes risky and radical. The most common theory is, therefore, that Bombadil is just a "rogue" Maia who perhaps stayed behind and did not follow the other Ainur at the [[Breaking of the World]]. In contrast to the seven Valar, the Maiar are an unknown number,<ref name="Val" /> so it's easy to associate Tom with them.<br />
<br />
Tom remembers himself to be the "[[Eldest]], that's what I am... Tom remembers the first raindrop and the first acorn... He knew the dark under the stars when it was fearless – before the Dark Lord came from [[Timeless Halls|Outside]]". Eldest is also a title given to [[Treebeard]].<br />
<br />
If Tom refers to the original arrival of [[Morgoth|Melkor]], who was the first Vala to enter [[Arda]], Tom was already there even before all the [[Valar]]<ref name="Days">{{S|Days}}</ref>, dismissing the theory that he is a Vala or a Maia. However, it is possible that Tom had been a Maia that was sent to "test" the newly-created world, or ventured there on his own accord before the Valar themselves visited it. Alternatively, Tom might have referred to Morgoth's return to Ea after he had fled from Tulkas. This would still make him mythologically old and not contradict the theory of him being a Maia. Also, if Tom was refering to Sauron as the Dark Lord, then being a Maia would not be as far fetched too.<br />
<br />
One possible drawback was his relationship to the Good and Evil and the [[Unseen]] realm, which is evident on the effect of [[the One Ring]] on him. The Ring (containing Sauron's essence) had no effect on him although it had some effect on [[Saruman]] and [[Gandalf]]. Also, Gandalf in the Council of Elrond said that Tom is "neutral" and would not understand the cause of the [[Free peoples]], while all other known Maiar had their sides.<br />
<br />
Something else that might indicate his association with the Maiar is Gandalf's visit. At the end of the Third Age, after Sauron was defeated, Gandalf's mission was done and he had nothing left to do in Middle-earth. Having fulfilled his divine quest, even helping the Hobbits against the ruffians in the Shire did not matter to him anymore, but talking with Tom Bombadil did. Thus, Bombadil must have been immensely important to Gandalf. Assuming that they were of the same species and that Gandalf might have offered him a place on the last ship would be one of the easiest ways to explain why.<br />
<br />
[[Robert Foster]] in ''[[The Complete Guide to Middle-earth]]'' indeed identifies Tom, [[Goldberry]] and the [[River-woman]] as Maiar.<br />
<br />
==Tom as a nature sprite==<br />
A more radical and abstract theory is that he is possibly the embodiment of [[Arda]] itself, a "Father Nature", or some kind of '[[sprites|sprite]]' which (unlike the greater [[Ainur|Ainu]] spirits) were of non-divine nature. Not only does the Ring have no effect on him, Tom himself seems unable to affect the Ring in return which shows that Tom was outside the divine plan and Good vs Evil struggle and had no position in it.<ref name="Council" /> Bombadil could have been created as a side-effect of the [[Music of the Ainur]] and that would explain why he was there in the beginning. <br />
<br />
His Elvish name "Eldest Fatherless" can support this notion: since he is only a part of creation, he has no "father", while the Ainur have ([[Ilúvatar|Eru]]).<br />
<br />
This also would be consistent with his neutrality: Nature is neutral and has no morality.<br />
<br />
One problem with this theory is the Ring not having power over him. It is clear that the three elvish rings possess power over nature so one has to wonder if Tom is some spirit of nature why would the One Ring not have power over him?<br />
<br />
Another problem with this explanation is that no such beings are mentioned elsewhere in late writings such as ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'' (although one could argue that the [[sprites|sprites and fays]], found in such early writings as the ''[[The Book of Lost Tales (disambiguation)|Book of Lost Tales]]'', would fit this description).<br />
<br />
==Tom as the Spirit of the Music of the Ainur==<br />
<br />
This theory is a variant of the nature spirit theory, asserting that in his essence Tom is the Spirit of the [[Music of the Ainur]]. According to its proponent, this would explain his unique power and its limitations, his timelessness, his disposition, his affinity to song, his power via song over trees and barrow-wights and many of the other oddities found in his character.<br />
<br />
This theory operates with the understanding that any spirit must be understood to be what they are personally most related to. The argument is that Tom, though close to nature, ultimately separates himself from the Forest by battling against Old Man Willow and by having a different disposition than that of the Old Forest which is described as dark and full of hate for everything that goes about freely. Tom on the other hand, points to song constantly even when fighting the barrow-wight: "None has ever caught him yet, for Tom, he is the Master: His songs are stronger songs,and his feet are faster".<ref>{{webcite|author=Unknown (alias: "Ranger From the North")|articleurl=http://www.whoistombombadil.blogspot.com |articlename=Who is Tom Bombadil?|dated=|website=|accessed=12 January 2013}}</ref><br />
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==Beings like him==<br />
Whatever his nature, another question about Bombadil is whether he is one-of-a-kind being, or if he has other colleagues in other parts of Arda. Bombadil could be for example the one and single "spirit of all Arda", or just the "spirit of the Old Forest" with other such beings in other forests. <br />
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The nature of Goldberry (and [[River-woman]]) is also obscure. They could be the same kind of being like himself, or his female counterpart(s). If we had more knowledge about them, we could partially answer the question about Tom as well.<br />
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Gandalf, when narrating his fight with [[Durin's Bane]], mentions tunnels made by [[Nameless Things|dark nameless things]] whose existence Sauron knows not, since they are "older than him".<ref>{{TT|White}}</ref><br />
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==External links==<br />
* [http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/t/tombombadil.html Entry in the Encyclopedia of Arda] (a concise overview of the discussion)<br />
* [http://tolkien.slimy.com/essays/Bombadil.html ''What is Tom Bombadil?''] by Steuard Jensen (a detailed explanation)<br />
* [http://www.cas.unt.edu/~hargrove/bombadil.html ''Who is Tom Bombadil?''] by Gene Hargrove (a somewhat unorthodox but well-presented essay)<br />
* [http://www.whoistombombadil.blogspot.com "Who is Tom Bombadil?"] by Ranger from the North (an extensive argument for the Music Theory)<br />
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[[Tom Bombadil|Tom Bombadil's]] mythological origins in the internal cosmology of [[Middle-earth]] have puzzled even erudite fans. For example, the fact that the Ring had no power on Tom would either suggest that Tom existed in both the [[Seen]] and the [[Unseen]] realms or that the Unseen had no effect on him since "He is his own master".<br />
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Speculative ideas about his true nature range from simply a wise [[Elves|Elven]] hermit to a [[Maiar|Maia]] or [[Valar|Vala]], to even [[Ilúvatar|Eru Ilúvatar]] himself. <br />
==Tom as Eru==<br />
When Goldberry was asked by [[Frodo Baggins]] who he was, she simply said "He is" which parallels the scriptural name of God in Christianity, "ho on" (The Being - the One who is). Goldberry also said that Tom is simply "the Master",<ref name="Council">{{FR|Council}}</ref> and the theory that Tom is an incarnation, embodiment or "avatar" of Eru has been favored by the fans.<ref name="FAQ">[http://tolkien.slimy.com Tolkien Meta-FAQ], "[http://tolkien.slimy.com/essays/Bombadil.html What is Tom Bombadil?]", last updated 27 October 2002 (accessed 23 October 2010)</ref><br />
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However Tolkien later remarked that this dialogue was not a reference to God, the way that priests called "Father" does not allude to God.<ref name="L153">{{L|153}}</ref><br />
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In the Council of Elrond it was mentioned that Tom has limited knowledge and understanding of the powers of the Ring, a limitation that the creator God arguably would not have.<br />
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It must be added that Tolkien was a devout Roman Catholic, so the idea of an incarnation of the Creator being married may not have been well received by him; he explicitly said that the idea of God's Incarnation was too large to fit in his work.<ref name="L181">{{L|181}}</ref><br />
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In any case however, Tolkien experimented with this idea in the ''[[Athrabeth Finrod ah Andreth]]'' about a future incarnation or Eru into the world.<br />
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==Tom as an Ainu==<br />
If we reject the Eru theory, the most common possible explanation is that Tom is an [[Ainur|Ainu]] such as a Vala.<ref name="FAQ" /> Tom seems to have unlimited power inside the boundaries that he set for himself and perhaps the reason of why he has such powers might be the fact that he set himself limits in which he is master.<br />
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However since all seven Valar are accounted and known by their names,<ref name="Val">{{S|Vala}}</ref> one has to associate one with Tom. For instance, a theory identifies Tom with [[Aulë]] (and Goldberry with [[Yavanna]]).<ref>[http://www.cas.unt.edu/~hargrove/index.html Gene Hargrove], "[http://www.cas.unt.edu/~hargrove/bombadil.html Who is Tom Bombadil?]" (accessed 23 October 2010)</ref> Furthermore, it is nowhere referred that Aulë or any other Vala abandoned Valinor to live on [[Middle-earth]] and such an explanation becomes risky and radical. The most common theory is, therefore, that Bombadil is just a "rogue" Maia who perhaps stayed behind and did not follow the other Ainur at the [[Breaking of the World]]. In contrast to the seven Valar, the Maiar are an unknown number,<ref name="Val" /> so it's easy to associate Tom with them.<br />
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Tom remembers himself to be the "[[Eldest]], that's what I am... Tom remembers the first raindrop and the first acorn... He knew the dark under the stars when it was fearless – before the Dark Lord came from [[Timeless Halls|Outside]]". Eldest is also a title given to [[Treebeard]].<br />
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If Tom refers to the original arrival of [[Morgoth|Melkor]], who was the first Vala to enter [[Arda]], Tom was already there even before all the [[Valar]]<ref name="Days">{{S|Days}}</ref>, dismissing the theory that he is a Vala or a Maia. However, it is possible that Tom had been a Maia that was sent to "test" the newly-created world, or ventured there on his own accord before the Valar themselves visited it. Alternatively, Tom might have referred to Morgoth's return to Ea after he had fled from Tulkas. This would still make him mythologically old and not contradict the theory of him being a Maia. Also, if Tom was refering to Sauron as the Dark Lord, then being a Maia would not be as far fetched too.<br />
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One possible drawback was his relationship to the Good and Evil and the [[Unseen]] realm, which is evident on the effect of [[the One Ring]] on him. The Ring (containing Sauron's essence) had no effect on him although it had some effect on [[Saruman]] and [[Gandalf]]. Also, Gandalf in the Council of Elrond said that Tom is "neutral" and would not understand the cause of the [[Free peoples]], while all other known Maiar had their sides.<br />
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[[Robert Foster]] in ''[[The Complete Guide to Middle-earth]]'' indeed identifies Tom, [[Goldberry]] and the [[River-woman]] as Maiar.<br />
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==Tom as a nature sprite==<br />
A more radical and abstract theory is that he is possibly the embodiment of [[Arda]] itself, a "Father Nature", or some kind of '[[sprites|sprite]]' which (unlike the greater [[Ainur|Ainu]] spirits) were of non-divine nature. Not only does the Ring have no effect on him, Tom himself seems unable to affect the Ring in return which shows that Tom was outside the divine plan and Good vs Evil struggle and had no position in it.<ref name="Council" /> Bombadil could have been created as a side-effect of the [[Music of the Ainur]] and that would explain why he was there in the beginning. <br />
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His Elvish name "Eldest Fatherless" can support this notion: since he is only a part of creation, he has no "father", while the Ainur have ([[Ilúvatar|Eru]]).<br />
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This also would be consistent with his neutrality: Nature is neutral and has no morality.<br />
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One problem with this theory is the Ring not having power over him. It is clear that the three elvish rings possess power over nature so one has to wonder if Tom is some spirit of nature why would the One Ring not have power over him?<br />
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Another problem with this explanation is that no such beings are mentioned elsewhere in late writings such as ''[[The Lord of the Rings]]'' (although one could argue that the [[sprites|sprites and fays]], found in such early writings as the ''[[The Book of Lost Tales (disambiguation)|Book of Lost Tales]]'', would fit this description).<br />
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==Tom as the Spirit of the Music of the Ainur==<br />
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This theory is a variant of the nature spirit theory, asserting that in his essence Tom is the Spirit of the [[Music of the Ainur]]. According to its proponent, this would explain his unique power and its limitations, his timelessness, his disposition, his affinity to song, his power via song over trees and barrow-wights and many of the other oddities found in his character.<br />
<br />
This theory operates with the understanding that any spirit must be understood to be what they are personally most related to. The argument is that Tom, though close to nature, ultimately separates himself from the Forest by battling against Old Man Willow and by having a different disposition than that of the Old Forest which is described as dark and full of hate for everything that goes about freely. Tom on the other hand, points to song constantly even when fighting the barrow-wight: "None has ever caught him yet, for Tom, he is the Master: His songs are stronger songs,and his feet are faster".<ref>{{webcite|author=Unknown (alias: "Ranger From the North")|articleurl=http://www.whoistombombadil.blogspot.com |articlename=Who is Tom Bombadil?|dated=|website=|accessed=12 January 2013}}</ref><br />
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==Beings like him==<br />
Whatever his nature, another question about Bombadil is whether he is one-of-a-kind being, or if he has other colleagues in other parts of Arda. Bombadil could be for example the one and single "spirit of all Arda", or just the "spirit of the Old Forest" with other such beings in other forests. <br />
<br />
The nature of Goldberry (and [[River-woman]]) is also obscure. They could be the same kind of being like himself, or his female counterpart(s). If we had more knowledge about them, we could partially answer the question about Tom as well.<br />
<br />
Gandalf, when narrating his fight with [[Durin's Bane]], mentions tunnels made by [[Nameless Things|dark nameless things]] whose existence Sauron knows not, since they are "older than him".<ref>{{TT|White}}</ref><br />
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{{references}}<br />
==External links==<br />
* [http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/t/tombombadil.html Entry in the Encyclopedia of Arda] (a concise overview of the discussion)<br />
* [http://tolkien.slimy.com/essays/Bombadil.html ''What is Tom Bombadil?''] by Steuard Jensen (a detailed explanation)<br />
* [http://www.cas.unt.edu/~hargrove/bombadil.html ''Who is Tom Bombadil?''] by Gene Hargrove (a somewhat unorthodox but well-presented essay)<br />
* [http://www.whoistombombadil.blogspot.com "Who is Tom Bombadil?"] by Ranger from the North (an extensive argument for the Music Theory)<br />
[[Category:Debates]]</div>Faenor