https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Inner_Seas&feed=atom&action=historyInner Seas - Revision history2024-03-29T10:05:01ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.39.3https://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Inner_Seas&diff=317143&oldid=prevGaetano: reverting this back, that is incorrect information2020-07-29T10:37:46Z<p>reverting this back, that is incorrect information</p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>''<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">This article </del>is <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">about the seas east </del>of [[<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Middle-earth]]. For the original Inner Seas, see [[Belegaer]] and the [[East Sea</del>]].<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">''</del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>''<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'Inner Seas''' </ins>is <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">a concept that refers to different bodies of water in different Ages </ins>of [[<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Arda</ins>]].</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'''</del>Inner Seas<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">''' </del>were <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">a sea east </del>of [[Middle-earth]]<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">. They are believed </del>to <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">be the remnants of </del>the [[Sea <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">of Ringil</del>]].</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">==Inner Seas in the earliest times of Arda==</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The Inner Seas <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">in the very beginning of Arda </ins>were <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">[[Belegaer]] and the [[East Sea]], the two oceans between the two outer continents ([[Aman]] in the West and the [[Land </ins>of <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">the Sun]] in the East), and </ins>[[Middle-earth]] <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">proper, contrary </ins>to the [[<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Outer </ins>Sea]] <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">that extended from the edges to the nether side of Arda</ins>.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">==History==</del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">When </ins>[[<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Ulmo</ins>]] <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">came to Arda with his </ins>[[<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Maiar</ins>]], <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">he gave to </ins>[[<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Ossë</ins>]] and [[<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Uinen</ins>]] <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">"the government of the waves and the movements of the Inner Seas", while he personally abode </ins>in the <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Outer Sea</ins>.<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"><ref>{{S|1}}</ref></ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">After the </del>[[<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Two Lamps</del>]] <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">were toppled by </del>[[<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Melkor</del>]], <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">two seas were formed: the </del>[[<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Sea of Helcar</del>]] <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">in the north </del>and <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">the </del>[[<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Sea of Ringil</del>]] in the <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">south</del>.</div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">During </del>the [[<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">War for the Sake of the Elves</del>]] the <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Sea of Ringil was greatly widened and expanded</del>, <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">and eventually grew into </del>the <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Inner Seas </del>between the <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">southern </del>continent <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">of Middle-earth </del>and the <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">[[Dark Land]]</del>, <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">which were connected to both [[Belegaer]] </del>and the <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">[[East Sea]]</del>. <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">It is also likely that the [[Mountains of the Wind]] became an island chain in the sea</del>.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">In </ins>the [[<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Ambarkanta</ins>]] the <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Inner Seas</ins>, <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">or "</ins>the <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">ancient seas", are described as laying "in troughs" </ins>between the <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">central </ins>continent and the <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">western and eastern lands</ins>, and <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">their waters only spilled into </ins>the <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">chasm in north and south, where they had no shores.<ref>{{SM|Ambar}}, p</ins>. <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">238</ins>.<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ref></ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Though the sea was named </del>the <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">"East Sea" in </del>the [[<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Ambarkanata maps|Ambarkanata Map V</del>]]<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">, which decipts the geography of Arda after the destruction of </del>the [[<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Lamps of the Valar</del>]]<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:<ref>{{SM|Ambar}}, p. 251.</ref> in the places where the Lamps stood, had been formed two great bodies </del>of <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">water, the "Inland Sea" or </del>the [[<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Sea </del>of <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Helcar</del>]] <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">in the </del>North<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">, </del>and <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">the </del>"<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">East Sea" in </del>the <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">South. The East Sea was renamed </del>the <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">"Inner Seas" by </del>[[<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Karen Wynn Fonstad</del>]] in the <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">[[Atlas of Middle-earth]]</del>.<ref><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Karen Wynn Fonstad, ''[[Atlas of Middle-earth]]'', Revised Edition, p. 45.</del></ref></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">==Inner seas in </ins>the <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Second Age==</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">When </ins>the [[<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Dúnedain</ins>]] <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">could not go very far to </ins>the <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">West from </ins>[[<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Númenor</ins>]] <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">because </ins>of the [[<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Ban </ins>of <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">the Valar</ins>]] <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">they are told to have sailed eastward from </ins>North <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">to South </ins>and <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">they </ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>"<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">came even into </ins>the <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">inner seas, and sailed about Middle-earth and glimpsed from their high prows </ins>the [[<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Gates of Morning</ins>]] in the <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">East"</ins>.<ref><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">{{S|Akallabeth}}</ins></ref></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">==Oceanography==</del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">These "inner seas" were reached ''from'' the Belegaer and therefore must have referred to something quite else than the great Inner Seas of the beginning of days.</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Inner Seas were decipted as a narrow but large sea</del>, <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">over 2,500 miles from its southern to northern end and about 800 miles at its widest point</del>. <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">It was connected to </del>the <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">wider ocean by </del>two <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">straights: one </del>in the <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">south with Belegaer</del>, and <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">a narrower one </del>in the <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">north with </del>the East Sea <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">(this latter one is believed </del>to <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">be </del>the <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">former location </del>of the [[<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Mountains </del>of the <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Wind</del>]]<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">). What </del>the <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">seas looked like is unknown</del>, <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">but it is believed that they had both warm </del>and <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">cold currents</del>.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div> </div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">answer may be found from the [[Ambarkanta maps|Ambarkanta Map V]] which depicts the geography of Arda after the destruction of the [[Lamps of the Valar]]:<ref>{{SM|Ambar}}</ins>, <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">p. 251</ins>.<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ref> in the places where </ins>the <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Lamps stood, had been formed </ins>two <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">great bodies of water, the "Inland Sea" or the [[Sea of Helcar]] </ins>in the <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">North</ins>, and <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">the "East Sea" </ins>in the <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">South. Especially </ins>the East Sea<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">, </ins>to the <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">south </ins>of <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">which was </ins>the [[<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Dark Land]], offered a route from the Belegaer to the great eastern ocean &ndash; also named as the [[East Sea]], in the Ambarkanta Map IV.<ref>{{SM|Ambar}}, p. 249.</ref></ins></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>During the [[War for the Sake of the Elves]] the Sea of Ringil was greatly widened and expanded, and eventually grew into the Inner Seas between the southern continent of Middle-earth and the [[Dark Land]], which were connected to both [[Belegaer]] and the [[East Sea]]. It is also likely that the [[Mountains of Wind]] became an island chain in the sea.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>During the [[War for the Sake of the Elves]] the Sea of Ringil was greatly widened and expanded, and eventually grew into the Inner Seas between the southern continent of Middle-earth and the [[Dark Land]], which were connected to both [[Belegaer]] and the [[East Sea]]. It is also likely that the [[Mountains of <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">the </ins>Wind]] became an island chain in the sea.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Though the sea was named the "East Sea" in the [[Ambarkanata maps|Ambarkanata Map V]], which decipts the geography of Arda after the destruction of the [[Lamps of the Valar]]:<ref>{{SM|Ambar}}, p. 251.</ref> in the places where the Lamps stood, had been formed two great bodies of water, the "Inland Sea" or the [[Sea of Helcar]] in the North, and the "East Sea" in the South. The East Sea was renamed the "Inner Seas" by [[Karen Wynn Fonstad]] in the [[Atlas of Middle-earth]].<ref>Karen Wynn Fonstad, ''[[Atlas of Middle-earth]]'', Revised Edition, p. 45.</ref></div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Though the sea was named the "East Sea" in the [[Ambarkanata maps|Ambarkanata Map V]], which decipts the geography of Arda after the destruction of the [[Lamps of the Valar]]:<ref>{{SM|Ambar}}, p. 251.</ref> in the places where the Lamps stood, had been formed two great bodies of water, the "Inland Sea" or the [[Sea of Helcar]] in the North, and the "East Sea" in the South. The East Sea was renamed the "Inner Seas" by [[Karen Wynn Fonstad]] in the [[Atlas of Middle-earth]].<ref>Karen Wynn Fonstad, ''[[Atlas of Middle-earth]]'', Revised Edition, p. 45.</ref></div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The Inner Seas were decipted as a narrow but large sea, over 2,500 miles from its southern to northern end and about 800 miles at its widest point. It was connected to the wider ocean by two straights: one in the south with Belegaer, and a narrower one in the north with the East Sea (this latter one is believed to be the former location of the [[Mountains of Wind]]). What the seas looked like is unknown, but it is believed that they had both warm and cold currents.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The Inner Seas were decipted as a narrow but large sea, over 2,500 miles from its southern to northern end and about 800 miles at its widest point. It was connected to the wider ocean by two straights: one in the south with Belegaer, and a narrower one in the north with the East Sea (this latter one is believed to be the former location of the [[Mountains of <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">the </ins>Wind]]). What the seas looked like is unknown, but it is believed that they had both warm and cold currents.</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>''<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'</del>Inner Seas<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">''' is a concept that refers to different bodies of water in different Ages of </del>[[<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Arda</del>]].</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>''<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">This article is about the seas east of [[Middle-earth]]. For the original </ins>Inner Seas<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">, see [[Belegaer]] and the </ins>[[<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">East Sea</ins>]].<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">''</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">==Inner Seas in the earliest times of Arda==</del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'''</ins>Inner Seas<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">''' </ins>were <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">a sea east </ins>of [[Middle-earth]]<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">. They are believed </ins>to <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">be the remnants of </ins>the [[Sea <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">of Ringil</ins>]].</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The Inner Seas <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">in the very beginning of Arda </del>were <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">[[Belegaer]] and the [[East Sea]], the two oceans between the two outer continents ([[Aman]] in the West and the [[Land </del>of <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">the Sun]] in the East), and </del>[[Middle-earth]] <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">proper, contrary </del>to the [[<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Outer </del>Sea]] <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">that extended from the edges to the nether side of Arda</del>.</div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">When </del>[[<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Ulmo</del>]] <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">came to Arda with his </del>[[<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Maiar</del>]], <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">he gave to </del>[[<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Ossë</del>]] and [[<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Uinen</del>]] <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">"the government of the waves and the movements of the Inner Seas", while he personally abode </del>in the <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Outer Sea</del>.<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"><ref>{{S|1}}</ref></del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">==History==</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">After the </ins>[[<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Two Lamps</ins>]] <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">were toppled by </ins>[[<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Melkor</ins>]], <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">two seas were formed: the </ins>[[<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Sea of Helcar</ins>]] <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">in the north </ins>and <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">the </ins>[[<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Sea of Ringil</ins>]] in the <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">south</ins>.</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">In </del>the [[<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Ambarkanta</del>]] the Inner Seas<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">, or "the ancient seas", are described as laying "in troughs" </del>between the <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">central </del>continent and the <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">western and eastern lands</del>, and <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">their waters only spilled into </del>the <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">chasm </del>in <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">north and south, where they had no shores.<ref>{{SM|Ambar}}, p. 238</del>.<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ref></del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">During </ins>the [[<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">War for the Sake of the Elves</ins>]] <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">the Sea of Ringil was greatly widened and expanded, and eventually grew into </ins>the Inner Seas between the <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">southern </ins>continent <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">of Middle-earth </ins>and the <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">[[Dark Land]]</ins>, <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">which were connected to both [[Belegaer]] </ins>and the <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">[[East Sea]]. It is also likely that the [[Mountains of Wind]] became an island chain </ins>in <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">the sea</ins>.</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br/></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">==Inner seas </del>in <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">the Second Age==</del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Though the sea was named the "East Sea" </ins>in the [[<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Ambarkanata maps|Ambarkanata Map V</ins>]]<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">, which decipts the geography of Arda after the destruction of </ins>the [[<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Lamps of the Valar</ins>]]<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:<ref>{{SM|Ambar}}, p. 251.</ref> in the places where the Lamps stood, had been formed two great bodies </ins>of <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">water, the "Inland Sea" or </ins>the [[<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Sea </ins>of <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Helcar</ins>]] <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">in the </ins>North<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">, </ins>and <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">the </ins>"<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">East Sea" in </ins>the <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">South. The East Sea was renamed </ins>the <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">"Inner Seas" by </ins>[[<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Karen Wynn Fonstad</ins>]] in the <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">[[Atlas of Middle-earth]]</ins>.<ref><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Karen Wynn Fonstad, ''[[Atlas of Middle-earth]]'', Revised Edition, p. 45.</ins></ref></div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">When </del>the [[<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Dúnedain</del>]] <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">could not go very far to </del>the <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">West from </del>[[<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Númenor</del>]] <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">because </del>of the [[<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Ban </del>of <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">the Valar</del>]] <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">they are told to have sailed eastward from </del>North <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">to South </del>and <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">they </del></div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">These "inner seas" </del>were <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">reached ''</del>from<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">'' the Belegaer </del>and <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">therefore must have referred </del>to <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">something quite else than </del>the <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">great Inner Seas of the beginning of days.</del></div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">==Oceanography==</ins></div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div> </div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">The Inner Seas </ins>were <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">decipted as a narrow but large sea, over 2,500 miles </ins>from <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">its southern to northern end </ins>and <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">about 800 miles at its widest point. It was connected </ins>to the <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">wider ocean by two straights</ins>: <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">one </ins>in the <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">south with Belegaer</ins>, and <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">a narrower one </ins>in the <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">north with </ins>the East Sea <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">(this latter one is believed </ins>to <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">be </ins>the <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">former location </ins>of the [[<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Mountains of Wind</ins>]]<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">). What </ins>the <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">seas looked like is unknown</ins>, <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">but it is believed </ins>that <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">they had both warm </ins>and <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">cold currents</ins>.</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">The answer may be found from the [[Ambarkanta maps|Ambarkanta Map V]] which depicts the geography of Arda after the destruction of the [[Lamps of the Valar]]</del>:<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"><ref>{{SM|Ambar}}, p. 251.</ref> </del>in the <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">places where the Lamps stood, had been formed two great bodies of water, the "Inland Sea" or the [[Sea of Helcar]] in the North</del>, and <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">the "East Sea" </del>in the <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">South. Especially </del>the East Sea<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">, </del>to the <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">south </del>of <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">which was </del>the [[<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Dark Land</del>]]<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">, offered a route from </del>the <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Belegaer to the great eastern ocean &ndash; also named as the [[East Sea]]</del>, <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">in the Ambarkanta Map IV.<ref>{{SM|Ambar}}, p. 249.</ref></del></div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Note </del>that <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">the "East Sea" of the Ambarkanta Map V was named as "Inner Seas" by [[Karen Wynn Fonstad]] in the map that describes the voyages of the Dúnedain in the Second Age, obviously based on the mention in the ''[[Akallabêth]]'' </del>and <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">disregarding the name Tolkien himself gave to the sea.<ref>Karen Wynn Fonstad, ''[[Atlas of Middle-earth]]'', Revised Edition, p. 45</del>.<del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ref></del></div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The Inner Seas in the very beginning of Arda <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">sere </del>[[Belegaer]] and the [[East Sea]], the two oceans between the two outer continents ([[Aman]] in the West and the [[Land of the Sun]] in the East), and <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">the </del>[[Middle-earth]] proper, contrary to the [[Outer Sea]] that extended from the edges to the nether side of Arda.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The Inner Seas in the very beginning of Arda <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">were </ins>[[Belegaer]] and the [[East Sea]], the two oceans between the two outer continents ([[Aman]] in the West and the [[Land of the Sun]] in the East), and [[Middle-earth]] proper, contrary to the [[Outer Sea]] that extended from the edges to the nether side of Arda.</div></td></tr>
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<p><b>New page</b></p><div>'''Inner Seas''' is a concept that refers to different bodies of water in different Ages of [[Arda]].<br />
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==Inner Seas in the earliest times of Arda==<br />
The Inner Seas in the very beginning of Arda sere [[Belegaer]] and the [[East Sea]], the two oceans between the two outer continents ([[Aman]] in the West and the [[Land of the Sun]] in the East), and the [[Middle-earth]] proper, contrary to the [[Outer Sea]] that extended from the edges to the nether side of Arda.<br />
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When [[Ulmo]] came to Arda with his [[Maiar]], he gave to [[Ossë]] and [[Uinen]] "the government of the waves and the movements of the Inner Seas" while he himself abode in the Outer Sea.<ref>{{S|1}}</ref><br />
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In the [[Ambarkanta]] the Inner Seas, or "the ancient seas", are described as laying "in troughs" between the central continent and the western and eastern lands, and their waters only spilled into the chasm in north and south, where they had no shores.<ref>{{SM|Ambar}}, p. 238.</ref><br />
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==Inner seas in the Second Age==<br />
When the [[Dúnedain]] could not go very far to the West from [[Númenor]] because of the [[Ban of the Valar]] they are told to have sailed eastward from North to South and they <br />
"came even into the inner seas, and sailed about Middle-earth and glimpsed from their high prows the [[Gates of Morning]] in the East".<ref>{{S|Akallabeth}}</ref><br />
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These "inner seas" were reached ''from'' the Belegaer and therefore must have referred to something quite else than the great Inner Seas of the beginning of days.<br />
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The answer may be found from the [[Ambarkanta maps|Ambarkanta Map V]] which depicts the geography of Arda after the destruction of the [[Lamps of the Valar]]:<ref>{{SM|Ambar}}, p. 251.</ref> in the places where the Lamps stood, had been formed two great bodies of water, the "Inland Sea" or the [[Sea of Helcar]] in the North, and the "East Sea" in the South. Especially the East Sea, to the south of which was the [[Dark Land]], offered a route from the Belegaer to the great eastern ocean &ndash; also named as the [[East Sea]], in the Ambarkanta Map IV.<ref>{{SM|Ambar}}, p. 249.</ref><br />
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Note that the "East Sea" of the Ambarkanta Map V was named as "Inner Seas" by [[Karen Wynn Fonstad]] in the map that describes the voyages of the Dúnedain in the Second Age, obviously based on the mention in the ''[[Akallabêth]]'' and disregarding the name Tolkien himself gave to the sea.<ref>Karen Wynn Fonstad, ''[[Atlas of Middle-earth]]'', Revised Edition, p. 45.</ref><br />
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