Talk:Elwing

Elwing was not a half-elf

In texts where Tolkien tries to think more profoundly about the half-elven (see below), he doesn’t put Elwing and his brothers as half-elven:

Earendil was thus the second of the Pereldar (Half-elven),(50) the elder being Dior, son of Beren and Luthien Tinuviel daughter of King Elu Thingol. (...) By the marriage of Earendil to Elwing daughter of Dior son of Beren the lines of the Pereldar (Peredil) were united.​ (HoME 12, "The Shibboleth of Feanor")

Pay attention to the fact that Eluréd e Elurín are older than Eärendil, but Tolkien ignores them in the list. Possibly a "half-elf", before the judging of the valar, was only the son/daughter of a union between elf and human, the grandsons and so on weren't half-elven.

Anyway, I couldn't find any canon source in which Tolkien puts Elwing as a half-elf. Sorry my bad english Haran 20:53, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

I think the confusion here is "Half-elven" as a title (which applied just to Elrond, Elros and Eärendil) and "half-elven" as a genetic fact (which did also apply to Elwing et al.) The Silmarillion is clear that both Eärendil and Elwing (and their sons) were given free choice to decide under which kindred they be judged (this is the chapter "Of the Voyage of Eärendil and the War of Wrath"). --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 14:28, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

But I think "half-elven" as a genetic fact (i.e., before the choice of Eärendil e Elwing) was not applied to Elwing, Eluréd and Elurín, as we see in the text from Shibboleth. And "half-elven" as a title is applied to Elrond, Elros and the sons of Elrond only. Haran 17:18, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

There is no canon source about Elwing being a half-elf, as I tried to show in 2014. Am I wrong? If I'm not, the encyclopedia should remain neutral about this issue. Haran 02:57, 8 May 2018 (UTC)