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::::In fact, I should probably apologize to you as well.  I think I overreacted.  I was having a bad day myself, and I took it out on you, with very little reason.  [[User:WadCheber|WadCheber]] 00:06, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
::::In fact, I should probably apologize to you as well.  I think I overreacted.  I was having a bad day myself, and I took it out on you, with very little reason.  [[User:WadCheber|WadCheber]] 00:06, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
:::::Great to have you aboard WadCheber! I'm glad we got everything cleared up. If you have any other questions or suggestions don't hesitate to let us know, we really appreciate the feedback. Oh, and if it makes you guys feel any better; I'm having a great week :) --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 20:51, 11 July 2015 (UTC)

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Hans-Ulrich Möhring

Hey Mith! I saw, that you deleted the article about the German translator Hans-Ulrich Möhring (The Legend of Sigurd and Gudrún) with the comment "Just not notable enough". Möhring was now responsible for the German translation of another posthum released work. The Fall of Arthur will be published under the title König Arthurs Untergang on 21 March, 2015 in Germany, translated by Hans-Ulrich Möhring. I think, that two translations of complex lyrics by J.R.R. Tolkien are enough to legitimate the existence of an article about him. What do you think? --Sigismond 09:08, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

For me, no (although others might take a different view). We have a painful habit on TG of creating articles about individuals which are essentially one line: "X is a Y who worked on Z." Is there anything (verifiable) to say about Möhring as translator of Sigurd and Gudrún and The Fall of Arthur beyond the fact that he translated them? --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 09:14, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
I see what you mean. To write something about his translation work on The Legend of Sigurd and Gudrún (in my opinion) would make no sense in an English Wiki, so the only mentionable point would be the fact, that Möhring corresponded with Tom Shippey while translating. If you think, that the article is of no importance for Tolkien Gateway, then it's ok. I just wanted to know the reasons. --Sigismond 09:32, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
If he'd corresponded with Tolkien himself then that would put him in a different category, in my view. My fear is having an article that essentially doesn't really tell the reader anything. --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 19:26, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

Page merging question

Hey Mith, I went ahead and tackled merging Sea-elves into Teleri. I wasn't sure if my method of merging the pages was right: I copied the wiki-edit text to the other page and edited it some, then marked the original page for deletion. I changed the links that lead to Sea-elves to Falmari or Teleri where needed. I wasn't sure if this was good or if I needed to do anything else/something different. xsys 19:39, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

Hi xsys, and welcome to Tolkien Gateway! To merge a page we transfer the appropriate content and turn the page into a redirect (i.e. we don't mark it for deletion) - the reason for this is so people who search for "Sea-elves" will be taken to the Teleri page, for example. --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 20:30, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
That makes sense. Thanks! xsys 20:33, 23 January 2015 (UTC)


Good evening. This is User2.84.120.176. Could you upload upload more images on the page The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies;I dont have this ability, but you do have this ability. Upload and put these NEW images on the Category:Images from The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies.OK; Unsigned comment by (talk).

Thanks for getting in touch. Remembering that the DVD of The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies isn't out yet (and therefore screencaps aren't so easy to obtain), do you have any particular images in mind? Or, perhaps you could sign up to Tolkien Gateway and upload them yourself? --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 11:02, 16 March 2015 (UTC)


Hi Mith, I wonder if you could please check your email? I've sent you a request a week ago :) Leopold Break 10:06, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

I have received the email but I passed it onto User:Hyarion to respond. --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 12:46, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
Thanks a lot. Anyway, I hope that he could reply to us soon, since, as it seems, he does not appear frequently. So here I put this forward again, mean not in the slightest to bother you. We are eager to make contact with Alan Lee, so I would be appreciated if you could give me the email address of him. Leopold Break 16:44, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
I generally don't give out other people's email addresses without their permission. --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 21:22, 11 May 2015 (UTC)
I must apologize for my rudeness and discourtesy. Leopold Break 23:21, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

Quick Question

How do you create separate pages on a page that you are creating? Unsigned comment by AragornElessar (talk • contribs).

I don't understand what you mean. Create a separate page on a page you are creating? --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 21:15, 12 May 2015 (UTC)
Sort of, you know on a user page how you can create the different subtitles for your pages. I am wondering how to do that. Unsigned comment by AragornElessar (talk • contribs).
The same as you would create any other page: simply type the pagename as a URL and then press "create an article with that title". --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 08:34, 13 May 2015 (UTC)
Oh, thanks Unsigned comment by AragornElessar (talk • contribs).


May I ask why have you deleted the infobox? Woolly Mammoth 09:49, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

You're going to need to be more specific: what infobox have I deleted? --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 12:15, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
My mistake. I have just realized you reverted the edits to the period where there was no infobox. Woolly Mammoth 13:43, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
If you're going to insist on making three, four, five, six - and one occasion, nine! - consecutive edits, things like this will happen. Apologies for reverting the infobox as well but please can you try to learn to use the "Show preview" button and plan you edits. Nine small edits to an article are not necessary. --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 13:59, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
I take it back. Your record is actually 10 edits in a row (Tréowine). --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 14:01, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
I know how to use the "Show preview" very well...But like I said, it often happens that I forget to include something in an article and have to edit it again. Woolly Mammoth 14:44, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
You forget nine times in a row? --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 14:50, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
Maybe "forget" is a wrong word (although not completely). "Change my mind" would be a more appropriate word. Besides, you are editing for years and I, myself, only for a couple of days. Woolly Mammoth 15:12, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
Indeed. I think we're all aware of that! --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 16:08, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Copyright for images

Please, how can I get the copyright for an image that I want to upload, but that isn't already in the "Category:Evidence of permission granted by copyright holders" section? Woolly Mammoth 14:44, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

You will need to contact the copyright-holder and ask for their permission. --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 14:50, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
By e-mail solely? Because I have already contacted a number of artists and they all gave permission. Technicality is my main issue in this matter. Woolly Mammoth 15:12, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
There needs to be some evidence in case it's ever challenged. --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 16:08, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
Here's one: http://www.deviantart.com/messages/notes/#1_0/1281622023 Woolly Mammoth 18:57, 15 May 2015 (UTC)

Obituary title

Henry Bradley: 3 Dec., 1845-23 May, 1923 is the official title of the obituary published in Bulletin of the Modern Humanities Research Association 20 . All references I consulted used this title.So I think the article it should remain with that name. Unsigned comment by Sigurd (talk • contribs).

Absolutely not. Aside from the fact I don't think we need an article for an obituary written for someone on whom we have a very short article (we'd end up with a longer article on the obituary than on the man himself!), naming the article "Henry Bradley: 3 Dec., 1845-23 May, 1923" would be ridiculous verbose and unwieldy. If an article must be made it should be something like "Obituary for Henry Bradley", but I would be against its creation. --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 18:31, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
I dont think ridiculous since Tolkien himself give the name to the article. Someone put the same name in reference of that Bulletin 1923 here:[Index:Writings_by_J.R.R._Tolkien].And other books I read use the same name.In addition, the obituary contains a poem written by Tolkien in Old English. And also this obituary has his own topic on J.R.R. Tolkien Encyclopedia: Scholarship and Critical Assessment(Sigurd 21:24, 1 June 2015 (UTC))
Did Tolkien give the title, or was that the editor? In any case, it is a title of a printed obituary, not an online webpage. Any article title we choose would also be the URL. We aren't the J.R.R. Tolkien Encyclopedia and our usage should not - and does not - reflect what they have done. --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 08:02, 2 June 2015 (UTC)


Can you please rename the pictures of Ninni-V to Antonio Vinci. By the request of the artist. Woolly Mammoth 14:00, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

Can you please email me where the artists have granted their permission for their work to be hosted on Tolkien Gateway? --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 14:06, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
I have asked the permission via note on DeviantArt. What would you like me to do? You cannot access the notes considering they are private and cannot be read unless one is logged in. So....??? Woolly Mammoth 14:34, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

Also, as a bit of housekeeping, can you forward to me either a copy of the emails from the artists or a screenprint so we have a bit of a proof - my email is mith12px-nospam.svg.pngtolkiengateway.net. Cheers --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 14:51, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I will. But just one reminder: all the images by VunastiMamut are mine. Woolly Mammoth 14:56, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
User talk:Woolly Mammoth

--Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 14:46, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
I have send you an email with a screen print for the said artist. Woolly Mammoth 15:23, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. What about the others? --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 15:24, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
I will. Woolly Mammoth 15:26, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
I have. Woolly Mammoth 16:57, 2 June 2015 (UTC)


Mith, we have a problem. There is this random guy going by the name of Webbane who is destroying stuff right now! Bane

He has deleted off my page, yours, Woolly's, the Forum and a load of paragraphs from articles. Can we remove his account or something??? Unsigned comment by Arya (talk • contribs).
It's all been dealt with now. Isn't it interesting how a User:Bane and a User:Webbane pop up on the same night! --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 07:19, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

You aren't blaming Bane though Arya

Why are you deleting MY images??

Those images that you have deleted are my artwork! Is this vandalism or what???? Woolly Mammoth 14:18, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

I thought you said that they were all by other people - apologies. Although your picture of Uldor is remarkably similar to one by James Adams (also known as Sporeboy)? --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 14:22, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
Maybe because I borrowed the pictures from some of (with permission, which I have sent you by email) those guys, aye? Some of the pictures are by other people, AND some of them are mine (namely Elmo, Bór, Uldor, Formenos!). You are behaving like an asshole and you have no right (beside being an administrator), absolutely no right to delete those images!
Do not speak to me like that again. As an administrator I have every right to delete any image on this website whether it be yours or anyone else's.
So, your image of Uldor. Did you "borrow" the one from Sporeboy? --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 14:36, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
I will speak as I want to! And, considering your image of Uldor I granted the permission to use my artwork. Woolly Mammoth 14:41, 18 June 2015 (UTC)
You will be civil on this wiki or you will leave. Sporeboy gave you permission to amend his image? --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 14:45, 18 June 2015 (UTC)


Hello! I know I posted this before on the Template:Gaurwaith talk page, but seriously, why isn't Andvír there? Maedhros95 08:37, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

Fun fact: did you know there's only ever been one other user in Tolkien Gateway's 10-year history to use the phrase "but seriously"? --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 08:53, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
You did not answer my question. Maedhros95 09:13, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
Because I haven't finished the template yet (which is why it hasn't been added to any article). Perhaps you should wait and see first before discussing the matter on two talk pages. Did you know about my fun fact? --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 09:21, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
"But seriously"? I reckon you must have spent years searching through every word and sentence on this page to come to that conclusion. And besides, what does that have to do with me? Maedhros95 09:33, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
Nope - took me about 10 seconds. OK. I'll call it. In my view you are a sockpuppet for Woolly Mammoth. --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 09:42, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
First of all: how did you even come to the conclusion that I'm an alter ego of some other user? I have just signed up and I am already being accused of being a "sockpuppet" for some guy that I have never heard of until now. Maedhros95 10:01, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
There are quite a number of signs; we'll be checking IPs later today. If you aren't WM I do sincerely apologise as this probably makes me look like a bit of a nutter; but if you are WM I have to admit that I am actually a bit impressed by your commitment to Tolkien Gateway that you have created a sockpuppet in order to carry on doing good work. --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 10:21, 22 June 2015 (UTC)


Do we have a license to use Tolkien Ensemble's songs on this site? Maedhros95 08:07, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

No. --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 09:16, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
Laconic answer...Can we get one? There are images on this site with licenses ranging from artists of Deviantart, to artists of likes of John Howe, Alan Lee and Ted Nasmith. Why not include music in this site? Maedhros95 09:23, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
I doubt it. It's not something I personally see as desirable, either. --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 09:49, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
Have you heard the "Burial Song of Théoden" by Tolkien Ensemble? I think the visitors of this site should be entitled to hear this masterpiece (in my opinion). In any case...I will contact the Tolkien Ensemble myself. Maedhros95 09:56, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
And yes...one more thing...What about this WM thing you were talking about? Maedhros95 09:57, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
You would have to discuss this with other users (and admins) of this site first before initiating contact with them and seeking to put their songs this website. I personally don't think it would be appropriate for TG to host songs that people should be paying for. --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 10:03, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
You did not answer my question! What about this WM thing I am accused!? I find myself insulted for, coinsidentally , wanting to expand this wiki as much as it is possible. And for your information, I am an editor on Wikipedia. And I am not talking about paying anything. Maedhros95 10:12, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
No, but by having their songs on our website we are preventing them from earning money from them. I'm not convinced that that is right. --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 10:14, 23 June 2015 (UTC)


I have hi-res scans of The History of Middle-earth on my computer. And I have seen before that pagination can be a sort of a mess, when multiple versions of the same book collide together. Maedhros95 13:38, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

The pagination for The History of Middle-earth series is pretty much consistent (which is why we reference pages for those when we don't for The Lord of the Rings). How long did it take you to scan them? What is the edition of your hardcopy? --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 13:40, 23 June 2015 (UTC)
Sale of this book without a front cover may be unauthorized. If this book is coverless, it may have been reported to the publisher as “unsold or destroyed” and neither the author nor the publisher may have received payment for it.
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All rights reserved under International and Pan-American Copyright Conventions.
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Del Rey and colophon are registered trademarks of Random House, Inc.www.delreydigital.com
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First published in the United States by Houghton Mifflin Company.
Reprinted by special arrangement with Houghton Mifflin Company.
Manufactured in the United States of America
First Ballantine Books Edition: June 1992
OPM 32 31 30 29 28 27 26 Maedhros95 13:55, 23 June 2015 (UTC)


Hey, I noticed while skipping through pages that the picture for the page The Road Goes Ever On and On: The Maps of Tolkien's Middle Earth has nothing to do with the theme of the page as far as I can see. Yes, it's a picture of a book of maps, but it's not a picture of the book of maps we are talking about. I am still an utter newbie with this programing, and have no idea how to change the picture to a more accurate one. Arya

Done. Look at the change I've made to see how the coding works. --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 08:52, 5 July 2015 (UTC)
Good that. Will be changing quite a few pics myself, correct me if you don't think that they are right. The titles match!!! :) Arya


How should we address the confusion surrounding the number and fates of the different incarnations of the Elendilmir? See my note on the talk page of the relevant entry. WadCheber 06:13, 9 July 2015 (UTC)

By discussing it on that article's talk page, and not on my talk page. --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 07:21, 9 July 2015 (UTC)
Sorry if I bothered you. This was literally the first interaction I've had with anyone on this site. I wasn't aware that I was doing something wrong. I asked you because the post on my talk page told me to bring any questions to you. I won't make the same mistake again. WadCheber 04:28, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
A user's talk page is for them specifically to respond (i.e. an issue directly for that user); an article's talk page is for discussion about that article (i.e. for anyone in the community). The problem with having a conversation elsewhere is that the discussion/decisions are divorced from the article - in future months/years other users won't think to look at my talk page to find out why a decision was made. It's simply good housekeeping to keep everything together with the article.
The welcome message on your talk page wasn't actually written by me (and I've been meaning to change it for a while), but there's a complicated technical reason why my bot has to leave the message. But when it comes to "If you have any questions, see the help pages, add a question to the Council forums or ask me on my talk page." the implication - which probably should be clearer - is that "any questions" are about the site/editing/policy/style as opposed to the future of individual articles.
I have obviously seen your contributions on both your own and Hyarion's talk pages - I shall respond to it all here to prevent fragmentation of the conversation. I think "After looking through the other entries in his talk page, I got the impression that this is pretty much par for the course with him." is unfair - there is only one user, WoollyMammoth, I was very firm with; he had made a lot of edits and was a particularly confrontational user who was subsequently banned by another admin for his behaviour. That does not indicate someone who "is determined to be laconic and/or borderline hostile" or who intends to "chase people away".
Having said all the above, my previous message was obviously a curt one, for which I apologise; I shouldn't have been so short with you and should have explained the situation more thoughtfully. On this occasion I did bite the newbie - thank you for calling me out on it. --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 08:48, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
No problem. We all make little mistakes. Thank you for explaining the issue more clearly. WoollyMammoth sowed the wind, so he reaped the whirlwind. No fault on your part there. I was talking about other, less obvious instances in your interactions above, but there is nothing so far beyond the pale as to call your personal qualification as an admin into question. I was probably a bit overly defensive as well. Thanks again for the advice and explanation. WadCheber 22:21, 10 July 2015 (UTC)
In fact, I should probably apologize to you as well. I think I overreacted. I was having a bad day myself, and I took it out on you, with very little reason. WadCheber 00:06, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
Great to have you aboard WadCheber! I'm glad we got everything cleared up. If you have any other questions or suggestions don't hesitate to let us know, we really appreciate the feedback. Oh, and if it makes you guys feel any better; I'm having a great week :) --Hyarion 20:51, 11 July 2015 (UTC)