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For me the fall of gondolin rotates around the Turgon's obstiance, Tuor's family and Maeglin and Tuor's rivalry. It may be just me, but I wonder if for dramatic purposes it would be good to make Tuor vs. Maeglin a climactic fight(and probably a little later in the battle) rather than Tuor flinging Maeglin off a cliff first thing. Could this be good? (I have figured how this would work, considering a few technicalities.)
 
For me the fall of gondolin rotates around the Turgon's obstiance, Tuor's family and Maeglin and Tuor's rivalry. It may be just me, but I wonder if for dramatic purposes it would be good to make Tuor vs. Maeglin a climactic fight(and probably a little later in the battle) rather than Tuor flinging Maeglin off a cliff first thing. Could this be good? (I have figured how this would work, considering a few technicalities.)
  
:I agree.  A lot of the battle will be condensed.  Maeglin would, as in the account, seize Earendil, who bites Maeglin or draws a little dagger given him earlier on (even Sting perhaps!) or something of that sort.  Then there will be a whole duel scene between the two, ending by Tuor wounding Maeglin and then casting him from the walls.  At least, that's how I visualize it. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil]] 15:49, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
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:I agree.  A lot of the battle will be condensed.  Maeglin would, as in the account, seize Earendil, who bites Maeglin or draws a little dagger given him earlier on (even Sting perhaps!) or something of that sort.  Then there will be a whole duel scene between the two, ending by Tuor wounding Maeglin and then casting him from the walls.  At least, that's how I visualize it. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil]] 15:48, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
  
 
==New script additions==
 
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-Also I include a few changes in things such as Idril's dream. originally she dreams Maeglin does all of this, but I cut that and made it anonymous so the audience could figure it out. I made a couple changes like that, but if you like the purism just change it back. that's pretty much it.--[[User:Maeglin|Maeglin]] 22:22, 16 May 2008 (EDT)
 
-Also I include a few changes in things such as Idril's dream. originally she dreams Maeglin does all of this, but I cut that and made it anonymous so the audience could figure it out. I made a couple changes like that, but if you like the purism just change it back. that's pretty much it.--[[User:Maeglin|Maeglin]] 22:22, 16 May 2008 (EDT)
  
:It's a great chunk you've typed up, but I do agree that much of it could be shortened.  We don't need a fast-paced action film here, but we don't want to bore the audience either while.  A lot of what I wrote will similarly be sandpapered.  Still, it's best to write as much as possible, see what we have, and then break it down from there. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil]] 15:49, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
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:It's a great chunk you've typed up, but I do agree that much of it could be shortened.  We don't need a fast-paced action film here, but we don't want to bore the audience either while.  A lot of what I wrote will similarly be sandpapered.  Still, it's best to write as much as possible, see what we have, and then break it down from there. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil]] 15:48, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
  
 
::I've read and thought about your additions, and I have a few suggestions.
 
::I've read and thought about your additions, and I have a few suggestions.
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I think this also ties in with a couple general questions- is it better on the whole to add more and thus make it longer? Is it better to go into more detail?
 
I think this also ties in with a couple general questions- is it better on the whole to add more and thus make it longer? Is it better to go into more detail?
  
:Have you seen ''Prince Caspian''?  There's a scene there where, almost in the background, Telmarine lords pledge their troops.  It might be nice to have a similar "sideline" scene, where the lords of the houses march into Gondolin and declare their presence to the King.  Perhaps while Turgon is musing philosophically on the approach of Morgoth's armies they would sort of be in the background. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil]] 15:49, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
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:Have you seen ''Prince Caspian''?  There's a scene there where, almost in the background, Telmarine lords pledge their troops.  It might be nice to have a similar "sideline" scene, where the lords of the houses march into Gondolin and declare their presence to the King.  Perhaps while Turgon is musing philosophically on the approach of Morgoth's armies they would sort of be in the background. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil]] 15:48, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
  
 
::That would kinda mimick the entry of the Fiefs of Gondor, the wonderful Homeric episode in ''[[Minas Tirith (chapter)]]'' (which, unfortunately, wasn't good enough for Jackson). I think it serves great dramatically, and also allows the audience to identify who's who. Medieval-styled war movies often have the problem of introducing many fiefish characters without properly introducing them by name. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 16:50, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
 
::That would kinda mimick the entry of the Fiefs of Gondor, the wonderful Homeric episode in ''[[Minas Tirith (chapter)]]'' (which, unfortunately, wasn't good enough for Jackson). I think it serves great dramatically, and also allows the audience to identify who's who. Medieval-styled war movies often have the problem of introducing many fiefish characters without properly introducing them by name. -- {{User:Ederchil/sig}} 16:50, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

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