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== Numenor ==
== Just a doubt  ==


Isn't [http://www.tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Athelas&oldid=186732 this] strange? This old version yields a redlink to "Númenor". --[[User:Morgan|Morgan]] 16:32, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
Hi Hyarion<br>
I had a simple doubt<br>
Can we copy an entire page created by someone else and just put our name on it?<br>
I know it sounds a bit ridiculous but i have to clear this.<br>
Thanks.<br>
--[[User:Shivam|Shivam]] <font size="2" face="calibri"><span style="color:red">([[User talk:Shivam|Talk ]]/[[Special:Contributions/Shivam|Contribs]]/[[Special:Editcount/Shivam|Edits]])</span></font> 03:28, 13 March 2023 (UTC)


: And [http://www.tolkiengateway.net/wiki/N%C3%BAmen%CE%BFr this] is even more strange, while the [[Númenor|real article]] still exists. --[[User:Amroth|Amroth]] 20:17, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
:Hi Shivam! I'm not sure the context of your question, if you're referring to copying a page from Tolkien Gateway, or to Tolkien Gateway, but either way the answer would be a definite no. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] ([[User talk:Hyarion|talk]]) 03:33, 13 March 2023 (UTC)


::Hm, definitely must be the way the symbol is translated and encoded. I'll do some research. Good catch! --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 02:53, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
::I mean say you created a page on Tolkien Gateway and I copied it entirely and put my name on it and shared it's link on my user page.(Just an example, I won't do such thing). --[[User:Shivam|Shivam]] <font size="2" face="calibri"><span style="color:red">([[User talk:Shivam|Talk ]]/[[Special:Contributions/Shivam|Contribs]]/[[Special:Editcount/Shivam|Edits]])</span></font> 11:00, 13 March 2023 (UTC)


== Editing Rise of the Witch King Game Campaign Details ==
:::No, that sounds a bit unethical. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] ([[User talk:Hyarion|talk]]) 01:36, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
 
I want to edit campaign details for the ROTWK game.There is a mistake in the last sentence.It is Prince Earnur who destroyed the Witch King not King Arveleg I.Can i have the permission to change the name of the King?? --[[User:Antoinevlah|Antoinevlah]] 17:24, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
 
:If this is true, then please go ahead and edit the page.--{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 17:37, 4 March 2012 (UTC)
 
==On Battle of the Crossings of Poros==
 
I contacted you on this subject because you created the page and I was not able to create a discussion on it. This page is a complete copy from the page at http://www.glyphweb.com/arda/f/fordsofporos.html--[[Special:Contributions/108.11.228.65|108.11.228.65]] 15:08, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
 
:We know about the copies, we're working on correcting them. If you find any other, just let us know. --{{User:Ederchil/sig}} 16:31, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
 
:Thanks for catching that [[Special:Contributions/108.11.228.65|108.11.228.65]]. There are still a few articles out there which do not adhere to our current standards. We will rectify this specific article as soon as possible, and as Ederchil mentioned, if you happen to stumble upon any others just let someone know. Thanks for your help! --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 16:40, 28 April 2012 (UTC)
 
== Need Sumner Contact re: Bernie Zuber item ==
 
Sumner,
 
This is my second attempt to contact you through this website. And I'm not sure you are Hyarion -- but whoever is will know how to get this message to you.
 
I am Teny's friend Anita Farley who auctioned Bernie Zuber's collection after his death. My email address has changed, and I have lost yours in the process.
 
My new private email is: pippygpupp (at) charter (dot) net.
 
Please contact me. It is regarding a very rare item I still have from Bernie's collection.
 
Thank you,
Anita
 
:Hi Anita, I apologize as I'm afraid I will be of no help, I'm not sure who Sumner is. Sorry! --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 02:56, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
 
== Jeremy Bennett Helms Deep Art Misattributed ==


Hyarion,
::::Well something like that has happened to me. Although i haven't created many pages, actually just one, so someone copied it entirely and put their name on it. Is there anything i should do?.--[[User:Shivam|Shivam]] <font size="2" face="calibri"><span style="color:red">([[User talk:Shivam|Talk ]]/[[Special:Contributions/Shivam|Contribs]]/[[Special:Editcount/Shivam|Edits]])</span></font> 01:57, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
You submitted artwork which is attributed to the wrong artist. The Jeremy Bennett Helm's Deep file is actually artwork by Paul Lasaine. See the links below:
[http://lasaineportfolio.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2007-11-13T21:57:00-08:00&max-results=7&start=21&by-date=false Paul Lasaine Helm's Deep]
[http://www.ebay.com/itm/LOTR-MASTER-WORKS-CONCEPT-ARTWORK-HELMS-DEEP-by-JEREMY-BENNETT-/250967454327 Jeremy Bennett Helm's Deep]
Note that Bennett's image has an encampment in the foreground.


Thought you should know so you can make the appropriate edits.
:::::Can you provide more context? Thanks! --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] ([[User talk:Hyarion|talk]]) 12:32, 15 March 2023 (UTC)
Sincerely,
[[User:Emlit|Emlit]] 03:40, 20 October 2013 (UTC)


== hey! ==
::::::I solved it, thanks.--[[User:Shivam|Shivam]] <font size="2" face="calibri"><span style="color:red">([[User talk:Shivam|Talk ]]/[[Special:Contributions/Shivam|Contribs]]/[[Special:Editcount/Shivam|Edits]])</span></font> 11:40, 23 March 2023 (UTC)


thanks for dropping a line, i was also just curious if you wanted me to work on anything in particular? preferably work from video games or appendices, but anything else at all is good too. except for the history of middle earth (for now) as i don't have that yet! just let me know and i will start off o your "mission"! Thanks!
== Concerning article cleanup ==


[[User:Bigb131999|Bigb131999]] 02:53, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
Hi! I've been cleaning up some articles lately that have had headings like "Plot" or "Synopsis." Should I be putting these as sub-headings under a "History" heading?
[[User:BrandonEchols|BrandonEchols]] ([[User talk:BrandonEchols|talk]]) 00:34, 12 April 2023 (UTC)


== Images ==
:Hi Brandon! It's so great to have you on the team! Great question, if we use [[Hordes of the Things]] as an example, I think the "History" section could likely be eliminated. Pretty much everything about the subject will be considered "history", so the heading, at least to me, seems a little redundant. What are your thoughts though? --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] ([[User talk:Hyarion|talk]]) 01:03, 12 April 2023 (UTC)


Are all the images on [[Comic-Con 2006|here]] yours, or did you grab them from somewhere else? --{{User:Mith/sig}} 19:06, 19 August 2014 (UTC)
::I think that there needs to be a heading over the sub-headings, and that ''could'' be "History," but it could be something else. I, personally, think that "History" works just fine, as it ''does'' all realate to history, but what do you think? There ''could'' be just sub-headings, but that might look weird... --[[User:BrandonEchols|BrandonEchols]] ([[User talk:BrandonEchols|talk]]) 01:45, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
:Doesn't look like any of those were taken by me, I should probably add the fairuse template to it. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 05:56, 17 November 2014 (UTC)


== I agree ==
:::Ah yes, I agree about sub-headings needing a heading. I meant I would be okay with those sub-headings being converted to headings. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] ([[User talk:Hyarion|talk]]) 02:30, 12 April 2023 (UTC)


I entirely agree with using the Irish mile. Also, Middle-earth is small, but there is so much else in [[Arda]]. [[Valinor]], there used to be [[Numenor]], and there are probably several other places as well, along the great ocean.  --[[User:Elvenshieldmaiden|Elvenshieldmaiden]] 22:57, 18 October 2014 (UTC)
::::I agree. I think it ''would'' be fine, but in the [[Tolkien Gateway:Manual of Style|Manual of Style]] it shows that only the following headings can be used: '''History, Legacy, Etymology, Other names, Genealogy, Other versions of the legendarium, Inspiration, Portrayal in adaptations, See also, Notes, External links, References,''' and '''Further reading.''' The manual of style could be updated, we could come up with another heading that can be used in all of these situations so there's a ''general way of doing it'', or we could just convert those to regular headings. What's your opinion? --[[User:BrandonEchols|BrandonEchols]] ([[User talk:BrandonEchols|talk]]) 02:37, 12 April 2023 (UTC)


== Could someone help me? ==
:::::Hm, I think the Manual of Style just says "typically", so it's not an absolute requirement (if you see phrasing that's more strict, definitely let me know). Those headings are primarily intended for in-universe characters, locations, etc. so it's perfectly fine if ''Hordes of the Things'' deviates from that. It's difficult to list all the possible top-level headings, so I usually will check some articles on similar subjects to see what the consensus seems to be and go from there. I agree though, expanding the policy so everyone doesn't have to wing it isn't a bad idea, I just want to avoid having a policy that is 1,000 pages long :) --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] ([[User talk:Hyarion|talk]]) 03:26, 12 April 2023 (UTC)


I am new here, and I would like help in creating a page for myself, about me. And I don't know how it works. How do you put in information about yourself, and how do you insert a picture of yourself? Please help me. {{unsigned|Aduilith}}
::::::I think that it's a good idea to add a few new heading options to the [[Tolkien Gateway:Manual of Style|Manual of Style]]. I'm not sure if it's possible but, because I'm working on cleaning up a big portion of the articles, I could add new heading "defaults" to the Manual of Style as needed. That is, if I'm able to get editing permission. Obviously, I wouldn't abuse this power. There are definitely a lot of possibilities for this, but I would just add the "primary" ones. i.e. Plot, Production, Bibliography, and any other main ones I come upon. I definitely agree that we shouldn't have a 1,000 page long policy, though! :D Is this possible? --[[User:BrandonEchols|BrandonEchols]] ([[User talk:BrandonEchols|talk]]) 03:32, 12 April 2023 (UTC)
:Hi Aduilith! You can visit [http://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=User:Aduilith&action=edit&redlink=1 User:Aduilith] to edit your user page. You can find some more frequently asked questions at [[Help:Contents]]. If you have any other questions just let us know; it's great to have you aboard! --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 05:59, 17 November 2014 (UTC)


== Nature in the Two Towers ==
==Lorenzo's user talk==
I have seen that you deleted the new LorenzoCB talk page, I need that page to communicate with him. Excessive Vandalism made him protect that page, so only admins can edit it. I'm not an admin, and neither are three quarters of the people on TG, and when we need to contact him we would not be able to. That is why I made that page and would like to keep it so we Gatekeepers can contact him--[[User:Tformer|Tformer]] ([[User talk:Tformer|talk]]) 19:23, 17 May 2023 (UTC)


doing an essay on nature in the two towers...any help would be much appreciated.. {{unsigned|Kimzimna}}
== Few Doubts ==


== Greeting new users  ==
Do we have the right to use soundtracks of The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings series?<br>
What is the sequence of layout of a page, I mean what's the correct order of writing History, Etymology, Genealogy, References, Other Versions, etc?--[[User:Shivam|Shivam]] <font size="2" face="calibri"><span style="color:red">([[User talk:Shivam|Talk ]]/[[Special:Contributions/Shivam|Contribs]]/[[Special:Editcount/Shivam|Edits]])</span></font> 07:22, 24 May 2023 (UTC)


I'm not sure that Mith is the best person to leave the initial greeting on new users' talk pages. I saw the greeting on my talk page, which suggested that I bring any questions to him. I did so, and his response was curt at best, rude at worst. 
:Great questions! We don't have any kind of official approval for use of soundtracks, but depending on what the specific scenario is, we can usually use something in a limited capacity under the [https://www.copyright.gov/fair-use/ fair use doctrine]. I would say the [[Tolkien_Gateway:Manual_of_Style#Article_layout]] looks to be pretty accurate. We usually have the references at the bottom. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] ([[User talk:Hyarion|talk]]) 13:40, 24 May 2023 (UTC)


After looking through the other entries in his talk page, I got the impression that this is pretty much par for the course with him. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, and assume he was having a bad day or something, but I don't think that this is the case. If he is determined to be laconic and/or borderline hostile, I think someone else should greet new users to the site.
::Great, thanks a lot.--[[User:Shivam|Shivam]] <font size="2" face="calibri"><span style="color:red">([[User talk:Shivam|Talk ]]/[[Special:Contributions/Shivam|Contribs]]/[[Special:Editcount/Shivam|Edits]])</span></font> 13:57, 24 May 2023 (UTC)


If the status quo is maintained, we run the risk of scaring away the greater part of the people who join the site.  It creates the impression that new people are not really welcome here, and their contributions (and especially their questions) are unwanted. I assume that this is not the case.
== Testing Notification System ==
[[User:WadCheber|WadCheber]] 04:36, 10 July 2015 (UTC)


:Well said WadCheber. I have responded over on [http://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AMith&action=historysubmit&diff=272376&oldid=272346 Mith's talk apge]. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 20:52, 11 July 2015 (UTC)
Hi [[User:LorenzoCB]], this is just a test. I have configured the [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Echo Echo Extension] for MediaWiki, which adds a notification bell in the top right. In theory if I link your username and add my signature to this message you should get a notification. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] ([[User talk:Hyarion|talk]]) 05:29, 27 May 2023 (UTC)


== Founder ==
:Roget that. --[[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] ([[User talk:LorenzoCB|talk]]) 09:26, 27 May 2023 (UTC)
Hyarion, I'm getting the feeling there leaders on this web and such, but no one has mentioned who the founder is. Of course u made the council forums, and Mith has his bot, which are both impossible feats of coding, but who started it? -Ignorant[[User:Arya|Arya]]


:Hi Arya :) I hope your week is going great! Good question. [[Tolkien Gateway:About]] provides some background on the history of the site. If you have any more questions just let me know and I would be happy to answer them. TG in itself is definitely an impossible feat for any individual and I think it just goes to show how powerful a community of passionate fans can be, yourself included. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 03:52, 13 July 2015 (UTC)
== Regarding The Atlas of Middle Earth ==


Thanks a ton Hyarion! Hope ur having an awesome summer or winter break (depending what hemisphere you're enjoying your vacation in) [[User:Arya|Arya]] 01:35, 16 July 2015 (UTC)
Can we upload maps and depictions from The Atlas of Middle Earth? [[User:Shivam|Shivam]] <font size="2" face="calibri"><span style="color:red">([[User talk:Shivam|Talk ]]/[[Special:Contributions/Shivam|Contribs]]/[[Special:Editcount/Shivam|Edits]])</span></font> 12:59, 21 June 2023 (UTC)


==Image Download==
?--[[User:Shivam|Shivam]] <font size="2" face="calibri"><span style="color:red">([[User talk:Shivam|Talk ]]/[[Special:Contributions/Shivam|Contribs]]/[[Special:Editcount/Shivam|Edits]])</span></font> 13:46, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
Me again, Hi! I was wondering if you could download or tell me how to download Airyn's file (if it's okay with u). I believe it's a good representation of his travels, and there are no other images on that page so far. Still a newbie with the whole techy stuff, sorry! [[User:Arya|Arya]] 00:13, 12 October 2015 (UTC)


== Re-writes ==
:No, we don't have the permission to use them. I think we have a couple of those maps but we better keep them as exceptions. What do you need? [[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] ([[User talk:LorenzoCB|talk]]) 13:57, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
::The one showing the Circles of the World in the Foreword before the Introduction. [[User:Shivam|Shivam]] <font size="2" face="calibri"><span style="color:red">([[User talk:Shivam|Talk ]]/[[Special:Contributions/Shivam|Contribs]]/[[Special:Editcount/Shivam|Edits]])</span></font> 04:39, 4 October 2023 (UTC)
:::You refer to something like [[:File:Sage_-_Evolution_of_Arda.jpg|this]]? Actually we have some drawings by Tolkien himself concerning [[Ambarkanta]] (see [[Ambarkanta maps]]). But note that this diagram by Fonstad is based on Ambarkanta and I think they aren't consistent to the very vague cosmology of the Silmarillion. [[User:Sage|Sage]] ([[User talk:Sage|talk]]) 06:28, 4 October 2023 (UTC)


When it lists things on the To-do list, like an article needs to be re-written because it does not meet the standards, how does one know what needs to be done?
::::Yes, [[:File:Sage_-_Evolution_of_Arda.jpg|this]] one. The one given in The Atlas of Middle Earth look a bit better but this helps. Thanks.--[[User:Shivam|Shivam]] <font size="2" face="calibri"><span style="color:red">([[User talk:Shivam|Talk ]]/[[Special:Contributions/Shivam|Contribs]]/[[Special:Editcount/Shivam|Edits]])</span></font> 11:09, 8 October 2023 (UTC)


Does it need to be longer?  Does it need more refs put in?
== Rewriting pages ==


The only comment I saw on the Eöl page, for example, is the genealogy chart was too long for a relatively minor character. That's a small edit though not a re-write.
Hey, I noticed there are headings above some articles saying that the page needs to be rewritten. I’d love to try and help, but I’m not really sure what that means. Is it just fixing grammatical errors and helping the overall clarity and cohesion, or does that tag also mean that there are incorrect facts in the page or something like that? I rewrote the [[Bilbo's Farewell Party|page about Bilbo’s party]] and removed the rewrite tag, but then I realized that, since I haven’t done this before, I might have done something wrong. I’d appreciate it if you could take a look at my edit and let me know if that was what was needed! It would be great :) [[User:Thingol|Thingol]] ([[User talk:Thingol|talk]]) 21:39, 19 January 2024 (UTC)
 
I really don't know how to start or what to add.  The information presented may be brief, but it is not incorrect. {{unsigned|Elf-esteem}}
 
:Hi Elf-esteem, it's great to have you aboard! In regards to [[Eöl]], I agree there should have been more information as to what actually needs to be rewritten. The History section is the primary culprit. Those paragraphs contain quite a bit of conjecture and lack proper citations. Thanks for joining the community and we look forward to having you around! --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 19:47, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
 
::Super!  I'll get on cleaning up ''The Silmarillion'' based Histroy summary with clear references to that book. He's an interesting, albeit shady, character and people should know more about him. --[[User:Elf-esteem|Elf-esteem]] 20:25, 27 November 2015 (UTC)
 
== Brooks Williams' All That Is Gold ==
 
This is for your music page somewhere.
Brooks Williams (the U.S.A. citizen, not the Canadian) is a fabulous folk guitarist.  On his album ''Back to Mercy'' (1992 http://www.brookswilliams.com/) he did a song called "All That Is Gold" (see track 2 at http://www.amazon.com/Back-To-Mercy-Brooks-Williams/dp/B004QEZC4A) which includes poetically reinterpreted lyrics from Tolkien:
 
''All that is gold does not glitter,
''All those who wander are not lost;
''All that is old does not wither,
''Deep roots are not touched by frost.
''From the ashes a fire shall be awoken,
''A light from the shadows shall spring....
 
You should definitely check it out--a beautiful song.[[User:Lockridgesatverizondotnet|Lockridgesatverizondotnet]] 21:08, 30 November 2015 (UTC)
 
==Stuff I'm editing==
Okay, so I worked on [[Eöl]], but I think it needs an admin to look it over?  Same with [[Magic]], which was like... a lot (possibly too much!).  And now I have two pages I want to work on: Second Kinslaying ([[Second Kinslaying]]) and [[Thranduil]].
 
I'm happy to go back and fix whatever, but I just need some clear direction.  Or someone who knows "the vision" could just purge the extraneous.  IDC, honestly, people can cut out massive amounts of what I've written, and I won't cry about it.  I just want to help get things done. 
 
Now for the Second Kinslaying page, the title needs to be changed to Second Kinslaying because it's a misnomer to call it the Sack of Doriath, as others mentioned on the Talk page for it. With Thingol and Melian gone, The Battle of the Thousand Caves is the actual sack of Doriath because the Dwarves stole all the treasure, it literally, got sacked. Okay, so how do you change a page's title?  I guess it's kinda a big deal?  Everything about the Dwarves should be nixed on that page except for a transition sentence that will link to the Battle of the Thousand Caves/Sack of Doriath page.  Anything not mentioned in the "Battle" page will be copied and integrated from "Sack" to "Battle", that way good content is not lost.
 
I would like to do that!  The resulting Second Kinslaying page will end up being very brief, but it will at least be focused on just that topic. 
 
Ok, Thranduil's page, on the Talk it says there's too much extra stuff on there.  For example, some of it in the Early History can be moved to the Silvan Elves page.  I'd be fine with scooting it over there.  I could do this with kid gloves and just hide what was written without outright deleting it, if you want?  There was a post on Talk that taking out too much seemed to be a concern?
 
Anyway, I like to get in there and do stuff, and I'm not expecting a pat on the head with each edit. But, I am concerned to keep pouring effort into pages without guidance.  If I'm doing it wrong, I need someone to tell me.  If silence is consent around here, I'll just keep going.  And do I have to use claim tags when I work on revising/re-writing pages?  I saw that on a talk page and I don't even know what that is.
 
I tried to get on IRC to ask someone these questions, but I guess it's offline. [[User:Elf-esteem|Elf-esteem]] 01:26, 1 December 2015 (UTC)
 
== [[Talk:The Hobbit (film series)]]/Mistakes  ==
 
look what I have written in [[Talk:The Hobbit (film series)]] about some mistakes.
 
Won't you say something about it;Won't you say your opinion;
 
== Mortals ==
 
During the council of elrond, when frodo declared that he would take the ring to mordor, master elrond said(quote): 'But if you take it freely, Iwill say that your choice is right; and though all the mightyElf-friends of old, Hador, and Hu´rin, and Tu´rin, and Berenhimself were assembled together, your seat should be amongthem.’
 
So who amongst mortal men is deemed the mightiest, or rather sacrificed and contributed the most for both the eldar and edain?
Personally I'd say Hurin.
 
== Voting for quotes ==
 
How do I vote for a nominated quote and how do I nominate one myself?
 
Trying to figure out the same thing myself.  The page does not seem to have anything that will allow one to do either. {{unsigned|Cww306}}
 
:You are suppose to edit [[TG:FQ/N]], adding a new section or voting below the quote you like. But it is pointless, that page is forsaken and there are no admins to update the Main Page. --[[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] 20:56, 28 September 2021 (UTC)
 
== Help! And hurry, not much time.... ==
 
I need pronunciation help for Silent Night in Grey Elven. I haven't the foggiest, so if you have a lot of time, please help!
All credit is duly given to Alfred W. Tueting for the translation.
 
Sedhel i fuin, aer i fuin,
Lostar pain, ereb tíril
In edhryn aer a i laes aer-guin
Dollen na ven or amar vín.
Eruchên, losto hi mae(r)!
Eruchên, losto hi mae(r)!
 
Sedhel i fuin, aer i fuin,
Tirnath lathrar hiniath-vaer dîn
Uin aerlinn 'ellui i linnen o chaw,
Egleriar i menel-hirth Eru vin-glaw,
Eru, ven berio uin Gûr!
Eru, ven berio uin Gûr!
 
== Getting news of new items on TG ==
 
Greetings!  I have been a fan of Tolkien's since 1977 and have followed the growth of this site over time and joined it today.  I look forward to contributing, but wanted to ask this: Is there an RSS newsfeed for this site to keep up with new articles or the stuff posted to the home page?  Lots of great things to keep up with.  I've subscribed to "recent changes" but that is overwhelming, which is great in the way of showing how active the site is, but hard for browsing.
 
At any rate, thanks for a great website,
 
Best regards,
Darrell Curtis
Baton Rouge, Louisiana, USA
 
:It's great to have you aboard Darrel! Good question, [http://tolkiengateway.net/w/index.php?title=Special:NewPages&feed=rss this page] should do the trick. It's an RSS feed only for new pages. Looking forward to seeing you around in 2017. :)
 
== Translation to portuguese the Tolkien Gateway. ==
 
I'd like to know what must I do to translate the Tolkien Gateway to Portuguese-BR.If someone could tell me, please enter in touch at [email protected] I'd like to help.
 
:Hi Daniel! Thanks so much for stopping by, and apologies for the delayed response. The translated versions of the pages are hosted by sister sites of Tolkien Gateway. If there currently is not a Portuguese-BR Tolkien Wiki, then it would be great if you could start one. As a starting point, you might want to focus on editing Wikipedia's Tolkien-related articles prior to trying to start an entire wiki yourself.
 
== Long time since I have connected.... ==
 
I just discovered this site. I am on a number of fan wiki but this looks different. What is the need here? {unsigned|Bill Ames}}
 
 
:Hi Bill! It's great to have you aboard. We've accomplished a lot over the years, but we still have a long ways to go. There isn't a single article that is 100% perfect, so my recommendation would be think about what interests you the most when it comes to Tolkien, and focus on articles in that area. It can be a lot to take in at once, but feel free to let us know if you have any questions; thanks again for your help!
 
== Thank You! ==
 
Hi, Hyarion, I am a sort of new teenage tolkienite user from the U.S., and I just want to say thank you for making this site. It is excellent. I used it as a good amount of my research when I wrote my second quarter paper on Théoden last year and found it extremely helpful. Once again, ''thank you!'' -- [[User:Holdwine Meriadoc|Holdwine Meriadoc]] 18:55, 25 August 2018 (UTC)
 
:Hi Holdwine! Thank you so much for your kind words. I'm only one of thousands of volunteers but we really appreciate your feedback. We look forward to having you around, and hopefully some day a young "Tolkienite" will be thanking you for all your contributions. :) --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 21:02, 27 August 2018 (UTC)
 
== how to submit materials? ==
 
hello,I am currently working on elven tongues family tree update. How can I send it as mail or submit it (around 2mb)?
 
thank you
best regarsd
 
==Subpages==
 
Hi Hyarion, I'm having a little bit of trouble finding how to create a subpage. Can you help me? I hope this isn't something I should have found and I'm unintentionally being a pest. --[[User:Holdwine Meriadoc|Holdwine Meriadoc]] 20:29, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
 
:Hi Holdwine! Great question. The answer is actually simpler than you might think; it's just a slash in the name of the article. So you only need to browse to "User:Holdwine Meriadoc/Example", add the content, and then add a link to the page. It's that easy, I had the exact same question when I first saw sub-pages. :) If you have any other questions just let us know; thanks! --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 20:53, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
 
::Thanks, Hyarion! I was trying to figure out how to upload a signature; that really helped!! --[[User:Holdwine Meriadoc|Holdwine Meriadoc]] 21:25, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
 
:::OK that's weird...I don't see a Nickname section on my Special Preferences page. --{{User:Holdwine Meriadoc/sig}}
 
== Plagiarism on YouTube  ==
 
I would like to point out at this time that there is a rising YouTuber with several thousand followers who is actively engaged in plagiarism directly lifting passages from articles contained within the Tolkien Gateway. I would advise the staff, owner, contributing authors, administrators, etc. To go have a look at the youtube channel titled Men of the West. In point of fact, have the Angmar War page open and go look at the video titled"The Angmar war, wars of the legendarium." This youtuber replaces every fourth or so word with a synonym to avoid suspicion. However, the reddit community of Tolkien Fans is catching wise. Please take the proper steps to ensure that your intellectual property, body of work, and legacy are protected by not allowing blatant theft. This user is not even listing sources or giving credit at any point either in the video, in the description, or giving a link to the website he's boosting this from. I hope someone looks into this and it is brought to light. Signed, Someone who gives a damn.
"Bernacus 1/1/2019
 
:I have seen this YouTuber's channel. I believe he links Tolkien Gateway in his description. - Ancalagon the Black 17:59, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
 
== Huge Tolkien Exhibition! ==
 
Check this link out, this is super exciting!!
 
http://www.openculture.com/2019/01/the-largest-j-r-r-tolkien-exhibit-in-generations-is-coming-to-the-u-s.html
--{{User:Holdwine Meriadoc/sig}}
 
== How to submit changes to protected pages? ==
 
Hi Hyarion,
I saw your name on the Talk page for http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/Talk:Uncommon_words, so thought you might be a good person to ask.
 
I wanted to add a word to the [[Uncommon words]] page, so I registered for an account on TG, and looked for a way to edit. But the wiki said that the page was protected from edits. Through what channels should one go about submitting changes? See more details at [[Talk:Uncommon_words#proposal:_add_.22cockshut_light.22.3B_how_to_submit_changes.3F]]
 
Thanks for your help,
 
[[User:Huttarl|Huttarl]] 14:05, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
 
== General operations ==
 
I was trying to find the people who create and operate this wiki, the owner so to speak to ask how to take a wiki someone created for me and operate it myself and no one I know seems to be able to help me. Where can I get instruction on how to use and create and operate a wiki. If you don't know but know someone who might please send me a line
 
[[User:Elrondaragorn|Elrondaragorn]] 11:59, 26 July 2020 (UTC)elrondaragorn
 
:Hi Elrondaragorn. Hyarion operates the wiki, however, this software is MediaWiki, the same software as Wikipedia. Visit [https://www.mediawiki.org MediaWiki.org] and the [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Installation_guide Installation guide]. Hope this helps. --{{User:Mith/sig}} 08:52, 20 August 2020 (UTC)
 
== how to delete my account ==
 
Is it possible for me to delete my account?
 
[[User:Írien Lindallë]] 04:22, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
 
:Hi Irien! Great question, unfortunately due to the nature of wiki's, account deletion is not a supported feature. --Hyarion
 
== House of Hurin coat of arms ==
 
The shield of the HoH has Tengwar script. Can you tell me what it means? The image can be found here; House of Húrin - Tolkien Gateway . Thank you!
 
== Account up for adoption ==
 
Please post this information where as many users/new viewers as possible can see it:
 
I no longer want access to this account, so I'm leaving it up for adoption. My password is IrienLindalle. Whoever adopts this account, please change the password. Thank you!
 
Username:Írien Lindallë
 
== Trying to contact you ==
 
Hi Hyarion,
 
I am writing to you on behalf of the German Tolkien Society which has now taken over responsibility of running the German-speaking Ardapedia at the new URL, ardapedia.org.  I am not much of a tekkie but I do believe that the interwiki links that make it so useful to change from the English-speaking TG to Ardapedia to the Finns etc. have to be changed on the administrative side of things with Tolkien Gateway - and you are the person to ask about it?
It would be wonderful if you could help us out on this one!
--[[User:Olwe|Olwe]] 16:53, 21 February 2021 (UTC)
 
== technical problem with a link on the site ==
 
Hello, I just wanted to bring it to the attention of the admins that the link to Artist Elena Kukanova's  external website has been tampered with. It now redirects to another website entirely, which appears to be used by scammers. I am quite sure Elena is entirely innocent in this affair (surely someone of such skill would not have to resort to such base means). I didn't want to just unilaterally delete the links without explanation, but I do fear for the safety of fellow internet adventurers so I figured reporting the problem to an admin might be the best solution. Whatever tampering occurred, seems to have happened within the last few months. I remember this link working just fine last year. Forgive me if you aren't the correct person to contact with this problem. I don't really know anyone yet.{{unsigned|Anonymous}}
:Thanks so much for bringing this to our attention. I'll see if we can automate the process of removing the links, just to be safe. Have a great weekend! --Hyarion
 
::Alan Lee's fallen webpage is more... concerning http://tolkiengateway.net/wiki/File:Alan_Lee_-_A_Chance_Meeting.jpg I forgot to mention it a while ago. --[[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] 09:47, 20 March 2021 (UTC)
 
== Page Help ==
Hiya! I'm one of the staff members for MCME (Minecraft Middle Earth) and we noticed that you guys have pages for different LOTR games, we were hoping to look into possibly making one for our server but we're unsure how to go about it!
 
~~ Peyton (08/04/21)
 
:Welcome to the wiki! I believe we have a page called [[ArdaCraft]], but I'm not sure if it's the same as MCME. Could you check, just to make sure? (By the way, I absolutely love MCME, keep up the great work!). --[[User:Ancalagon the Black|Ancalagon the Black]] 15:40, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
 
Thank you! Ardacraft follows the same idea, but it's a completely seperate entity! We're older than that server, but we had never even thought of creating a page on here till recently! - Peyton (09/04/21)
 
:In [[Help:Contents]] you can find indications on how to create a new article. Follow the indications on style and if there is any error, we can edit it easily. --[[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] 15:01, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
 
== Regarding Infoboxes ==
 
Hi [[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]], this is [[User:Shivam|Shivam]]. I am having difficulty to add infoboxes to my user page. Kindly please help.  --[[User:Shivam|Shivam]] 03:39, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
 
:Why don't you just use [[Template:User infobox]]? You won't have to deal with codes. --[[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] 10:59, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
 
::I used them, but can you tell me whether I can use this Gatekeeper thing and if I can't then please tell me how to remove it.--[[User:Shivam|Shivam]] 12:23, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
 
:::Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the Gatekeeper title you are seeing is the generic name for users on this wiki, and is the default for the user infobox. I'm not sure there's a way to remove it, except by using a different infobox. --[[User:Grace18|Grace18]] 13:35, 8 April 2021 (UTC)<br>
 
::::Ok thanks. I just don't want to get into any trouble in future.--Shivam 15:53, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
 
:::::Grace18 is spot-on, the Gatekeeper is just a generic name for fun. You can't get into any trouble here, we appreciate all your help! --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 23:01, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
 
== Let's Think-1 ==
 
If we compare the ages of the [[Lords of Andúnië]] and the [[Númenóreans]] [[Kings of Númenor|Kings]] we see a big difference.<br><br>
For instance, if we compare the ages of [[Elendil]] (even though he was not Lord of Andúnië but since he was the son of a lord, we can assume that he could've become a lord if [[Númenor]] was not sunk into the abyss)  and [[Ar-Pharazôn]] we see that at the time of [[War of the Last Alliance]]-[[Second Age|S.A.]] [[Second Age|3429]] - [[Second Age|3441]], Elendil was 322 years old and the age of Ar-Pharazôn when he went to conquer the [[Blessed Realm]], he was 201 years old.<br><br>
We know that Ar-Pharazôn started building the [[Great Armament]] in [[Second Age|S.A.]] [[Second Age|3310]] when he grew old.<br><br>
And the fact that at the age of 322 Elendil went to war is a great feat.<br><br>
So why do we see such a difference?<br><br>
--[[User:Shivam|Shivam]] 07:08, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
:This kind of questions should be asked in the talkpage of the related articles, and in order to make future edits: the wiki it's not a debate forum. The kings of Númenor had fallen under the shadow some generations before, so their lives where shorter. The [[Lords of Andúnië]] kept longer lifes, and Elendil was a chosen one, so we can speculate he was granted even a longer one. [http://www.zarkanya.net/Tolkien/Decline%20of%20the%20Numenoreans.htm This article is pretty good on the matter]. --[[User:LorenzoCB|LorenzoCB]] 10:59, 8 April 2021 (UTC)
 
== Infoboxes ==
 
Is there a specific colour code of infoboxes for different races or is it just random?--Shivam 14:52, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
:Great question! Not sure if you're referring to [[Template:Race infobox]] or the race-specific ones, like [[Template:Maiar infobox]] but either way, it was just a random color assigned when creating the template, we just did our best to make sure they all weren't different shades of the same color. Definitely not set in stone if a color doesn't give off the right vibe. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 15:02, 14 May 2021 (UTC)
 
== Images ==
 
I just wanted to ask if I can use images of different artists on this site for my user [[User:Shivam|page]].--Shivam 13:30, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
:No problem at all! --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 20:20, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
 
== Fingolfin Artwork ==
 
I made a composite of Fingolfin and was wondering whether you would post it on the page: 
https://www.deviantart.com/svarog989/art/High-King-Fingolfin-909190520
:Wow, the detail of your art is incredible! I'll definitely see what I can do. Keep up the great work! --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 02:35, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
 
== Misconceptions -Elves have long hair ==
 
Hello, I'm new here. I would like to change the Misconceptions-Elves have long hair section. One of the quotes is incomplete and the misconception is not strictly true. There are other quotes from Tolkien's books that I'd like to add. I'm not sure how to change it. Can someone help me please?
: It's ok, I figured it out!
::Apologies for the delayed response. I'm glad you were able to figure it out and thanks so much for your contributions! --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 02:36, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
 
== Layout ==
Hyarion, is there something wrong with the layout of the site or is it just me? Also, it seems that TG was down for about half an hour just recently - what is going on? - [[User:IvarTheBoneless|IvarTheBoneless]] 15:06, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
:Hi Ivar! Hm, no issues or changes with the layout on my end. What are you seeing? Server downtime wasn't just you; we rebooted the server this morning in preparation for our move to a new server, so that would explain the ~20 minutes of downtime. Thanks for your patience! --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 15:25, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
 
::Hmm..It looks like the artwork is gone, on the top of the page and on the sides? I don't know. - [[User:IvarTheBoneless|IvarTheBoneless]] 15:36, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
 
:::Gotcha, I haven't seen that before but sounds like it might be a caching issue on the computer. Try pressing Shift + F5 or [https://support.google.com/accounts/answer/32050 clearing your cache] in your browser, that should do the trick. If not let me know; thanks! --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 15:52, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
 
::::Thank you! I already cleared my cache, thought it might have been it. Turns out it was - it's all normal looking now. - [[User:IvarTheBoneless|IvarTheBoneless]] 16:02, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
 
:::::Awesome! If you experience anymore issues don't hesitate to reach out. Thanks for all your help! --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 16:13, 10 August 2022 (UTC)
 
== Just a doubt  ==
 
Hi Hyarion<br>
I had a simple doubt<br>
Can we copy an entire page created by someone else and just put our name on it?<br>
I know it sounds a bit ridiculous but i have to clear this.<br>
Thanks.<br>
--[[User:Shivam|Shivam]] <font size="2" face="calibri"><span style="color:red">([[User talk:Shivam|Talk ]]/[[Special:Contributions/Shivam|Contribs]]/[[Special:Editcount/Shivam|Edits]])</span></font> 03:28, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
 
:Hi Shivam! I'm not sure the context of your question, if you're referring to copying a page from Tolkien Gateway, or to Tolkien Gateway, but either way the answer would be a definite no. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] ([[User talk:Hyarion|talk]]) 03:33, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
 
::I mean say you created a page on Tolkien Gateway and I copied it entirely and put my name on it and shared it's link on my user page.(Just an example, I won't do such thing). --[[User:Shivam|Shivam]] <font size="2" face="calibri"><span style="color:red">([[User talk:Shivam|Talk ]]/[[Special:Contributions/Shivam|Contribs]]/[[Special:Editcount/Shivam|Edits]])</span></font> 11:00, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
 
:::No, that sounds a bit unethical. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] ([[User talk:Hyarion|talk]]) 01:36, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

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Just a doubt[edit source]

Hi Hyarion
I had a simple doubt
Can we copy an entire page created by someone else and just put our name on it?
I know it sounds a bit ridiculous but i have to clear this.
Thanks.
--Shivam (Talk /Contribs/Edits) 03:28, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi Shivam! I'm not sure the context of your question, if you're referring to copying a page from Tolkien Gateway, or to Tolkien Gateway, but either way the answer would be a definite no. --Hyarion (talk) 03:33, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I mean say you created a page on Tolkien Gateway and I copied it entirely and put my name on it and shared it's link on my user page.(Just an example, I won't do such thing). --Shivam (Talk /Contribs/Edits) 11:00, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
No, that sounds a bit unethical. --Hyarion (talk) 01:36, 14 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Well something like that has happened to me. Although i haven't created many pages, actually just one, so someone copied it entirely and put their name on it. Is there anything i should do?.--Shivam (Talk /Contribs/Edits) 01:57, 14 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Can you provide more context? Thanks! --Hyarion (talk) 12:32, 15 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I solved it, thanks.--Shivam (Talk /Contribs/Edits) 11:40, 23 March 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Concerning article cleanup[edit source]

Hi! I've been cleaning up some articles lately that have had headings like "Plot" or "Synopsis." Should I be putting these as sub-headings under a "History" heading? BrandonEchols (talk) 00:34, 12 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi Brandon! It's so great to have you on the team! Great question, if we use Hordes of the Things as an example, I think the "History" section could likely be eliminated. Pretty much everything about the subject will be considered "history", so the heading, at least to me, seems a little redundant. What are your thoughts though? --Hyarion (talk) 01:03, 12 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I think that there needs to be a heading over the sub-headings, and that could be "History," but it could be something else. I, personally, think that "History" works just fine, as it does all realate to history, but what do you think? There could be just sub-headings, but that might look weird... --BrandonEchols (talk) 01:45, 12 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Ah yes, I agree about sub-headings needing a heading. I meant I would be okay with those sub-headings being converted to headings. --Hyarion (talk) 02:30, 12 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I agree. I think it would be fine, but in the Manual of Style it shows that only the following headings can be used: History, Legacy, Etymology, Other names, Genealogy, Other versions of the legendarium, Inspiration, Portrayal in adaptations, See also, Notes, External links, References, and Further reading. The manual of style could be updated, we could come up with another heading that can be used in all of these situations so there's a general way of doing it, or we could just convert those to regular headings. What's your opinion? --BrandonEchols (talk) 02:37, 12 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Hm, I think the Manual of Style just says "typically", so it's not an absolute requirement (if you see phrasing that's more strict, definitely let me know). Those headings are primarily intended for in-universe characters, locations, etc. so it's perfectly fine if Hordes of the Things deviates from that. It's difficult to list all the possible top-level headings, so I usually will check some articles on similar subjects to see what the consensus seems to be and go from there. I agree though, expanding the policy so everyone doesn't have to wing it isn't a bad idea, I just want to avoid having a policy that is 1,000 pages long :) --Hyarion (talk) 03:26, 12 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I think that it's a good idea to add a few new heading options to the Manual of Style. I'm not sure if it's possible but, because I'm working on cleaning up a big portion of the articles, I could add new heading "defaults" to the Manual of Style as needed. That is, if I'm able to get editing permission. Obviously, I wouldn't abuse this power. There are definitely a lot of possibilities for this, but I would just add the "primary" ones. i.e. Plot, Production, Bibliography, and any other main ones I come upon. I definitely agree that we shouldn't have a 1,000 page long policy, though! :D Is this possible? --BrandonEchols (talk) 03:32, 12 April 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Lorenzo's user talk[edit source]

I have seen that you deleted the new LorenzoCB talk page, I need that page to communicate with him. Excessive Vandalism made him protect that page, so only admins can edit it. I'm not an admin, and neither are three quarters of the people on TG, and when we need to contact him we would not be able to. That is why I made that page and would like to keep it so we Gatekeepers can contact him--Tformer (talk) 19:23, 17 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Few Doubts[edit source]

Do we have the right to use soundtracks of The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings series?
What is the sequence of layout of a page, I mean what's the correct order of writing History, Etymology, Genealogy, References, Other Versions, etc?--Shivam (Talk /Contribs/Edits) 07:22, 24 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Great questions! We don't have any kind of official approval for use of soundtracks, but depending on what the specific scenario is, we can usually use something in a limited capacity under the fair use doctrine. I would say the Tolkien_Gateway:Manual_of_Style#Article_layout looks to be pretty accurate. We usually have the references at the bottom. --Hyarion (talk) 13:40, 24 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Great, thanks a lot.--Shivam (Talk /Contribs/Edits) 13:57, 24 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Testing Notification System[edit source]

Hi User:LorenzoCB, this is just a test. I have configured the Echo Extension for MediaWiki, which adds a notification bell in the top right. In theory if I link your username and add my signature to this message you should get a notification. --Hyarion (talk) 05:29, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Roget that. --LorenzoCB (talk) 09:26, 27 May 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Regarding The Atlas of Middle Earth[edit source]

Can we upload maps and depictions from The Atlas of Middle Earth? Shivam (Talk /Contribs/Edits) 12:59, 21 June 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

?--Shivam (Talk /Contribs/Edits) 13:46, 3 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

No, we don't have the permission to use them. I think we have a couple of those maps but we better keep them as exceptions. What do you need? LorenzoCB (talk) 13:57, 3 July 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The one showing the Circles of the World in the Foreword before the Introduction. Shivam (Talk /Contribs/Edits) 04:39, 4 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
You refer to something like this? Actually we have some drawings by Tolkien himself concerning Ambarkanta (see Ambarkanta maps). But note that this diagram by Fonstad is based on Ambarkanta and I think they aren't consistent to the very vague cosmology of the Silmarillion. Sage (talk) 06:28, 4 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Yes, this one. The one given in The Atlas of Middle Earth look a bit better but this helps. Thanks.--Shivam (Talk /Contribs/Edits) 11:09, 8 October 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Rewriting pages[edit source]

Hey, I noticed there are headings above some articles saying that the page needs to be rewritten. I’d love to try and help, but I’m not really sure what that means. Is it just fixing grammatical errors and helping the overall clarity and cohesion, or does that tag also mean that there are incorrect facts in the page or something like that? I rewrote the page about Bilbo’s party and removed the rewrite tag, but then I realized that, since I haven’t done this before, I might have done something wrong. I’d appreciate it if you could take a look at my edit and let me know if that was what was needed! It would be great :) Thingol (talk) 21:39, 19 January 2024 (UTC)Reply[reply]