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why did you delete my post about translating?[edit]

recently i posted about some translating english to elvish, and you deleted that post. so rude Unsigned comment by MrSkinny21 (talk • contribs).

Until Morgan answers, I'd like to inform you that your question was out of topic. The TG forum questions should be about the maintainance and improvement of TG, its policies and its articles, not random discussions about Tolkien. You should try with Elfling or other Tolkien forums. Sage 18:30, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
Ditto!--Morgan 19:53, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
And as someone who has, in the past, attempted to master some of the Elven tongues, let me just say: it's a fool's errand to translate things. You can exercise, and it's nice couleur locale for a fanfic, but there are too many problems. Tolkien changed his mind, and we simply don't know enough words to do it, and Tolkien changed his mind, or they're really reconstructions that don't account for irregularities, and did I mention Tolkien changed his mind? He did that a lot. Every Elvish translation site you see online uses a fanon reconstruction, and there are different versions at that (because have I mentioned Tolkien changed his mind?), especially concerning past tense and personal pronouns. Some are better than others, but none of them are perfection, because perfect Elvish didn't even exist in Tolkien's mind. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 20:32, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
Also, I just want to point out that when creating Quenya, Sindarin, Khuzdul, etc. Tolkien tended to change his mind, a lot. :) --Hyarion 03:54, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

World War I[edit]

Hello. You've deleted my emendation on the numbers of British casualties along with Rob Gilson, in the first day of the Somme battle. But if you look at the page 158 of Tolkien and the Great War, you'll see that the number of 360,000 casualties is impossible and it's more probably 36,000.

"Rob Gilson's division had lost most heavily of all on the first day of the Battle of the Somme, but along with the British front there had been 57,000 casualties: out of the 100,000 who entered No Man's Land, 20,000 had been killed and twice as many wounded."
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So, nearly 40,000. This number is the same given in the table of the lost and wounded British on the Wikipedia (sorry, I can't find an equivalent english table), with 35,493 casualties. The number of 360,000 is the number of total casualties for the whole Battle of the Somme. Maybe, a reformulation of the sentence can be useful, because it's a little vague. I'm not a English native speaker, and I understand this sentence like if the 360,000 casualties felt on this same day with Rob Gilson, but it's not the case. Thank you for your time. 09:47, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi. As you say, the sentence right now is a bit ambiguous; I read it as referring to the whole Battle of the Somme, but if it's read as referring to only the first day, the number you suggest seems to be the correct one. I agree that a reformulation of the sentence would be useful. Thanks for taking time to explain the issue! --Morgan 00:40, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

Talk:The Hobbit (film series)/Mistakes[edit]

look what I have written in Talk:The Hobbit (film series) about some mistakes.

Can you check something in the Reader's Companion book?[edit]

I'm trying to get a source verified for the Utumno etymology. I found a reference to the meaning of the place name online, but I do not own the book. From the talk page: the translation as 'Dark Pit' or 'Hell' comes from The Lord of the Rings: a Reader's Companion p. 297. When you have a chance, can you verify if that is legit and source the reference? You seem to have a few editions of this book in your collection, but I am not sure if the page number will match. --Elf-esteem 17:42, 2 January 2016 (UTC)

Page 297 is the correct reference. Here is a transcript of the entry in the Reader's Companion:
Udûn — In his unfinished index Tolkien defines Udûn as '"dark pit", the dwelling of Morgoth beneath Thangorodrim ... called the Underworld of old' (distinct from Udûn a place in Mordor; see note for p. 928). The 1966 Index adds 'Udûn hell'.
--Morgan 15:23, 3 January 2016 (UTC)
Woot! That's it! Thank you so much Morgan. You are made of win. ^_^ --Elf-esteem 17:58, 3 January 2016 (UTC)


I see you had tagged for cleanup some abiguous articles about the Bree-landers, Bree-folk, Bree-men, Big and Little Folk and so on. I have made several improvements since then, but I didn't touch your tag. I hope they are up to the standards now; you can check again and remove the tags if you wish. Sage 13:26, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know (and for your work)! I only changed the tag, though, since some sections are still almost direct quotes from EoA (see this).--Morgan 19:45, 9 March 2016 (UTC)

The Oxford Comma[edit]

Generally, I'm a fan of the Oxford comma (or serial comma) because it neatly ties off lists and keeps the sentence clear. Though I understand it is not always necessary for clarity, what is the TG style recommendation for it? Use it only for clarity or do not use it at all? I have noticed several micro-edits going through that are doing nothing but removing Oxford commas or just moving commas around, seemingly incorrectly, based on that editor's preference, and I was not sure how to proceed. Since I do not want to appear to be edit warring, I wanted to ask an admin first. --Elf-esteem 01:27, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

I don't think we've ever discussed the issue. What you could do is to bring it up for discussion at the Tolkien Gateway talk:Manual of Style. As a non-native English speaker it's hard for me to provide a suggestion in this case (although I personally favour the Oxford comma in English).--Morgan 08:19, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

"Intimidating/abusive behavior"?[edit]

Since when was politely requesting another user to correct their own spelling mistakes--on a side-note, no less--considered intimidating or abusive? And then immediately blocking me without any sort of forewarning? Just how is that fair? 23:51, 30 December 2016 (UTC)

Why would it be relevant to ask someone to correct a spelling mistake when arguing on a talk page? I found your strategy to be a clear example of ridiculing another's argument. If you had been registered as a user you would just have gotten a warning on your talk page, rather than a 3 days ban.--Morgan 10:07, 31 December 2016 (UTC)
"Ridiculing another's argument"? That had nothing to do with the argument. The spelling was a different thing, entirely. And I still haven't gotten an explanation for why "Scourge of the Dragons" is any more "derivative" than "War of the Dwarves and Dragons". 12:23, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

Battle of Fornost and The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey[edit]

Hello.I would like to ask you something.Could the words of Galadriel in the White Council scene in the First Hobbit film<<when Angmar fell>> be considered as an indirect mention to the Battle of Fornost and its aftermath? Do you think the edits that I did on that page (Battle of Fornost)are correct or not?Unsigned comment by (talk).