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<charinsert> Á á É é Í í Ó ó Ú ú </charinsert> &nbsp;
<charinsert> À à È è Ì ì Ò ò Ù ù </charinsert> &nbsp;
<charinsert> Â â Ê ê Î î Ô ô Û û </charinsert> &nbsp;
<charinsert> Ä ä Ë ë Ï ï Ö ö Ü ü </charinsert> &nbsp;
<charinsert> Ñ Œ œ </charinsert> &nbsp;
<charinsert> Æ æ </charinsert> &nbsp;
<charinsert> # ≈ ± </charinsert> &nbsp;
<charinsert> £ € ¥ </charinsert> &nbsp;
<charinsert> – — </charinsert> &nbsp;
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I've added the above code so that it displays at the bottom of a page when editing it. If you want to insert a special character simply click the character and it will be inserted at your cursor's insertion point. That being said I think we have way too many characters here. Feel free to just remove any that you believe aren't used in [[J.R.R. Tolkien]]'s works. Hopefully we can get it down to a line or two so it won't be so intrusive. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 11:43, 20 April 2006 (EDT)

:What about this list? --[[User:Earendilyon|Earendilyon]] 11:49, 20 April 2006 (EDT)
:Btw, it can't be edited in the "article" itself at the moment, just here in the '''Talk''' section. --[[User:Earendilyon|Earendilyon]] 11:56, 20 April 2006 (EDT)

::Looks good to me. We can always add to it if the need arises. The MediaWiki: articles are protected so only admins can edit them, as if someone vandalized that page it would be at the bottom of every edit, yikes. I'll update the article with your changes. Thanks, now if only we could get Tengwar characters. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 12:03, 20 April 2006 (EDT)

:Hm, is the dash really necessary? I definitely think the mdash is as that's something I always need and can never remember the code for, but the dash is pretty standard on most keyboards isn't it? --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 16:24, 21 April 2006 (EDT)

::What about | and Ñ?
:::--[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 16:32, 21 April 2006 (EDT)

:::I edited the Ñ out, but I do indeed think it can be needed, for example for [[Noldor|Ñoldor]]. My mistake. What do we need the | for, other than in Wiki links? --[[User:Earendilyon|Earendilyon]] 16:37, 21 April 2006 (EDT)

:Both em and en dashes are separate characters than a regular dash. The en dash is not often used (it's a prepositional connector), but the em dash is used between dates, as in (First Age 143 – 208). Compare with a normal dash (First Age 143 - 208). Ain't grammar wonderful ;) --[[User:Ebakunin|Ebakunin]] 16:47, 21 April 2006 (EDT)

Is it possible to put [[Tengwar]] characters on there?  Do you just need a Tengwar font?  --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 16:05, 28 April 2006 (EDT)

:Unfortunately for visitors to see the Tengwar they would have to have the correct font installed, and if they don't it turns into a bunch of annoying gibberish. Now...I wonder if we could insert tiny, like 10x10 pixel, letters as images. And allow users to insert the image instead of the actual letter which requires the font. That way everyone sees the same thing. It's a thought. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 16:10, 28 April 2006 (EDT)

::Or we could have a link to install Tengwar fonts directly below the Edittools.  Then again, not everyone who reads the articles edits them.  But if a link was somewhere obvious... maybe this is impractical.  --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]] 19:11, 28 April 2006 (EDT)

:::It's something to definitely consider and I think we could have a lot of fun if we could use the fonts around the site, though as you said not everyone will have them installed and I have a feeling the majority won't. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 19:24, 28 April 2006 (EDT)

::::Would you like me to work on the tengwar images idea? I know a good website for transcribing letters and I have good software which can effectively resize and add a transparent background(considering the blue background of the new skin).--{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 10:50, 14 July 2008 (EDT)
::::''PS: Because there's an issue over inserting the tengwar(ie you would have to click on '''<nowiki>[[Image:a Tengwar.png]]</nowiki>''' instead of a nice picture of it) I've found a good way to work round this so stay tuned!''--{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 12:24, 14 July 2008 (EDT)

:::::What website is it? There are quite a few not-so-good websites out there. Hand-transcription is always better than generic words because of the tehtar. For example, your "A Tengwar" picture: that's not a tengwa, it's a tehta. It rarely has it's own carrier, only when the tengwa in front of it (or behind it, dependent on what mode you use) is already taken. Believe me, if writing Tengwar could be done with a tool, there would have been some very good ones by now. But you have to think a lot. "Anduin", for example, is not "short carrier-A - númen - ando - short carrier-U - short carrier-I - númen". Just take a look at our {{Redlink|[[Tolkien Google logo petition]]}} on how not to do it. 
:::::Anduin, by the way, is: "ando with a nasal mark and A-tehta - anna with U-tehta - númen. Three symbols. Most tools don't get that. Good old fashioned handiwork is better. -- [[User:Ederchil|Ederchil]] 12:59, 14 July 2008 (EDT)

:::::::I Don't quite understand, are you saying the image made is wrong and should not be used? If so make sure I know before I start making them using the website and then making all the modifications! Anyway the website is found [http://tengwar.art.pl/tengwar/ott/start.php?l=en here]; it's in English mode, but it reverts back to Polish after the first transcription. Thanks!--{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 13:36, 14 July 2008 (EDT)

::::::::I'm not sure I'd spend too much time with the Tengwar images as we should have the [http://www.wikisophia.org/wiki/Teng TengTex] extension installed shortly which will allow us to generate the images on the fly. Although I'm unsure of the accuracy of TengTex as well. --[[User:Hyarion|Hyarion]] 16:35, 14 July 2008 (EDT)

::::::::: Oh, OK! Well I've finished my 'Insert Tenwar' box anyway. I doubt that everyone will want to have it (well at least I think so), therefore people can install it if they want by copying the following into '''User:YOURUSERNAMEHERE/THECURRENTSKINYOURUSING.js''', eg. [[User:KingAragorn/ithilien.js]]. Hope this helps and please give feedback!--{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 18:20, 14 July 2008 (EDT)
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