Index talk:Locations

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hmm... As far as I know, there is no place name beginning with X; is there a particular policy about what we do with lists which don't include any contents for certain letters? If we remove X as a heading, then there will still be a link for X in contents at the top. A small problem, I know, but I wondered what people's thoughts are on this.-- KingAragorn  talk  contribs  edits  email  20:19, 29 December 2009 (UTC)

Well, is this page really necessary? The page is sort of doomed to always be 'under construction'. If we think that a list of all place-names is necessary, then my suggestion would be to make a category for it instead (which would make the list automatic). This is what I have done with a private Mediawiki (which also includes all place-names from ICE MERP). --Morgan 22:04, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
Well, I've already put hours of work into it. I'd be upset to just delete it now. I'm the supervisor for the Locations Project, so I thought I'd create this list; besides it also includes locations which people might not have thought of to create a page for - as is evident by the red links. That way we can have a nice index of locations, and we can gradually create an article for every single one (with categories there's no way of ticking of ones not previously created).-- KingAragorn  talk  contribs  edits  email  22:13, 30 December 2009 (UTC)
The advantage of the 'red links' is a good argument! I meant no offence, sorry if I seemed a little harsh in my comment. --Morgan 23:40, 30 December 2009 (UTC)


Some of the entries are going to get really long, so I suggest dividing the list into two or three columns. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 08:19, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

If placing the entries manually into tables to simulate columns is becoming a hassle you might consider using the CSS3 column module. Advantages: it's automatic and preserves semantic markup. Disadvantages: it's not yet a standard and won't show up in Internet Explorer (IE users will just see an ordinary list). —Aulë the Smith (Tk·Cb) 14:30, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
Ah! Sorry Aule the Smith, I've only just now seen your message. I've done all the work now, so it's not much of a hassle from now on. The CSS3 column module is a good suggestion, but as it's not compatible with IE I think that is a huge drawback - especially as IE is the most widely used browser (unfortunately). -- KingAragorn  talk  contribs  edits  email  16:09, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
Indeed, IE always seems to be holding web technologies back a few years (although in the case of CSS3 the W3C aren't doing a bad job of it themselves). I wouldn't have suggested it except I recently saw it used very nicely on a major website - probably because it degrades well. Anyway, it's something to bear in mind for large lists in the future (when columns might have made it into IE9). —Aulë the Smith (Tk·Cb) 17:30, 14 August 2010 (UTC)


  • Abyss
  • Achad Tarlang (Tarlang's Neck)
  • Adorn
  • Adurant
  • Aelin-uial
  • Aeluin, Tarn
  • Agathurush (River Greyflood)
  • Aglarond
  • Aglon, Pass of
  • Akallabêth (Atlantë)
  • Aldalómë
  • Almaren, Isle of
  • Alqualondë
  • Aman
  • Ambaróna (Fangorn)
  • Amon Amarth (Mount Doom)
  • Amon Anwar (Halifirien)
  • Amon Darthir
  • Amon Dîn
  • Amon Ereb
  • Amon Ethir
  • Amon Gwareth
  • Amon Hen
  • Amon Lanc (Dol Guldur)
  • Amon Lhaw
  • Amon Obel
  • Amon Rûdh
  • Weathertop|Amon Sûl (Weathertop)
  • Amon Uilos (Taniquentil)
  • Anach, Pass of
  • Anadûnê (Númenor)
  • Aman|Ancient West (Aman)
  • Andafalassë (Langstrand)
  • Andor (Númenor)
  • Andram
  • Andrast
  • Andrath
  • Androth, Caves of
  • Anduin, River of
  • Andúne Pelo (West Fence)
  • Andúnië
  • Andustar
  • Anfalas
  • Anfauglith
  • Angband|Angamando (Angband)
  • Angband
  • Anghabar
  • Angmar, Realm of
  • Isen|Angren (River Isen)
  • Isengard|Angrenost
  • Annon-in-Gelydh|Annon-In-Gelydh
  • Annúminas
  • Anórien
  • Araman
  • Arandor (Kingsland)
  • Archet
  • Arda
  • Ard-galen
  • Argonath
  • Armenelos
  • Arnach (Lossarnach)
  • Arnor
  • Aros, River of
  • Arossiach
  • Arthedain
  • Arthor na Challonnas (Gondor)
  • Arthor na Forlonnas (Arnor)
  • Arthórien
  • Arvernien
  • Ascar, River of
  • Ash Mountains
  • Atalantë
  • Athrad Angren (Ford of Isen)
  • Aulë's Great Court
  • Avallónë
  • Avathar
  • Azanulbizar (Dimrill Dale)


  • Bag End
  • Bagshot Row
  • Isle of Balar|Balar
  • Bamfurlong (Maggot's Farm)
  • Bundushathûr|Bandushathûr (Cloudyhead)
  • Bar-en-Danwedh
  • Bar-en-Nibin-noeg
  • Bar Erib|Bar-erib
  • Barad-dûr
  • Barad Eithel
  • Barad Nimras
  • Baranduin (Brandywine River)
  • Caradhras|Barazinbar (Redhorn)
  • Barrow-downs
  • Barrowfield
  • Battle Pit
  • Dagorlad|Battle Plain
  • Bay of Balar
  • Bay of Belfalas
  • Bay of Andúnië
  • Bay of Eldamar
  • Bay of Eldanna
  • Bay of Rómenna
  • Belegaer
  • Belegost
  • Beleriand
  • Belfalas
  • Bent Seas
  • Beorn's Hall|Beorn's House
  • Bindbole Wood|Bindbale Wood
  • Nimbrethil|Birchwoods of Nimbrethil
  • Black Crack
  • Black Gate (Morannon)
  • Mordor|Black Land (Mordor)
  • Black Pit (Moria)
  • Morthond|Blackroot (Morthond River)
  • Blessed Realm (Valinor)
  • Blue Mountains
  • Bombadil's House
  • Bonfire Glade
  • The Bounds
  • Branda-nîn (Brandywine River)
  • Brandywine Bridge (Bridge of Stonebows)
  • Bree
  • Bree-hill|Bree Hill
  • Bree-land
  • Breredon
  • Brethil
  • Bridge of Esgalduin
  • Last Bridge|Bridge of Mitheithel (Last Bridge)
  • Bridge of Stonebows
  • Bridgefields
  • Brilthor (River)
  • Ford of Brithiach|Brithiach
  • Brithombar
  • Brithon (River)
  • Brockenbores
  • Brown Lands
  • Bruinen (River Loudwater)
  • Buck Hill
  • Buckland
  • Buckland Gate
  • Buckland Road
  • Bucklebury
  • Bucklebury Ferry
  • Bucklebury Ford
  • Budge Ford (Ford)
  • Budgeford (Village)
  • Bundushathûr (Cloudyhead)
  • Bywater
  • Bywater Pool
  • Bywater Road

How to Edit?[edit]

I have not been able to edit the List of Place Names, either at the whole-page level or at the individual letter level. It's not listed in the Protected Pages yet when I've tried to make an edit I get a white page that doesn't change and when I back out of it the change is not made.

If a contributor wishes to make a change should that person be allowed to do so, or should changes be submitted (presumably through this Talk page) for King Aragorn to make?

Here are a few changes I'd like to see:

  • "Thistle Book" (red) - There is a "Thistle Brook" already in existence (since 2005); the name needs fixing.
  • "Under-Gate" (blue) redirects to "Undergate", which exists and is the name given in The Return of the King. Should redirects be in this list? I think yes but not when they are misspellings or unlikely versions of a correct name. I think "Undergate" should be included since it's the correct name.
  • In a reverse case, "Minrimmon" (red) awaits an article, but the correct "Min-Rimmon" already exists. The correct version is needed in the list.

There are 4 entries for the west entrance to Moria: "Doors of During (Hollin Gate)", "Hollin Gate (Doors of Druin, West-door)", "West-door (Hollin Gate)", and "West-gate of Moria (Doors of Durin)". The "West-door" is red while the other 3 are blue, and redirect to "Doors of Durin". Is there a policy for creating redirects for locations?

Should the List of Place Names include categories that contain places?

-- Gamling 00:20, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

I think you need to contact Hyarion about this page - I can't edit it either.--Morgan 07:02, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
It's a bug, happens on other long pages as well. -- Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 07:07, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
Yes, unfortunately we can no longer edit large articles like this. Hyarion is aware of it, I think he said that upgrading to the latest MediaWiki version might correct the bug. He plans to upgrade it soon. Also, I'd like to move this to Index:Place Names -- KingAragorn  talk  contribs  edits  email  13:29, 16 May 2011 (UTC)
+1 Index:Places or Index:Locations. --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 18:42, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
I agree with moving it to index. --Amroth 07:26, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

New places to add[edit]

Gamling noted above some places to be added once the article works again, and here is another one: Desert of Lostladen (not sure if it should be under L or D, though).--Morgan 19:49, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

CSS3 Columns[edit]

Do you think it would now be worth converting the current tables to CSS3 Columns? It's still not supported by Internet Explorer, but they'll never adopt it unless websites ignore Microsoft's attempt to keep the web in the dark ages by dictating their own standards. -- KingAragorn  talk  contribs  edits  email  01:03, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Maybe have both (we're yet not powerful enough to challenge Microsoft!), if you care to do the extra work?--Morgan 01:06, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
Both? How would that work? -- KingAragorn  talk  contribs  edits  email  14:29, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
It wouldn't. Microsoft will have to implement CSS3 at some point; I saw went until IE is no longer the most popular browser and/or whenever CSS3 turns up. --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 16:11, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Technical problems[edit]

There seems to be a technical problem with this page (again?) - I cannot save an edit. Could someone else try to add the locations *[[Almaida]]? --Morgan 12:55, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

You'll have to make a special request to Mith or Hyarion. -- KingAragorn  talk  contribs  edits  email  13:28, 12 July 2011 (UTC)