Latest comment: 13 May 2024 by Akhorahil in topic Propose to rename to "Lindai"
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Propose to rename to "Lindai"
I think there's a bit in NM which is more authoritative than we have in the current article:
Hence they were called by the Vanyar and Noldor the Teleri, the backward; but those who eventually reached Valinor retained their own name (Lindar, or in their tongue Lindai). Lindarin (L) is thus used for the language of the Teleri of Valinor, in many ways the most archaic and least changed of the Eldarin languages.
Oberiko (talk) 12:55, 10 May 2024 (UTC)
- But wouldn't this label apply to all the Teleri (or 'Lindai') - that is, wouldn't it include the Sindar and the Nandor? Please forgive me if I'm being ignorant of something in the PE that clarifies the subject. - IvarTheBoneless (talk) 00:35, 11 May 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think it would, as per WoJ it appears that only the Lindar of Aman retained it:
The Sindar had no general name for themselves as distinct from other varieties of Elf, until other kinds entered Beleriand. The descendant of the old clan name *Lindāi (Q Lindar) had fallen out of normal use, being no longer needed in a situation were all the Edhil were of the same kind, and people were more aware of the growing differences in speech and other matters between those sections of the Elves that lived in widely sundered parts of a large and mostly pathless land. They were thus in ordinary speech all Edhil, but some belonged to one region and some to another: they were Falathrim from the sea-board of West Beleriand, or Iathrim from Doriath (the land of the Fence, or iath), or Mithrim who had gone north from Beleriand and inhabited the regions about the great lake that afterwards bore their name. (Note 11, p. 410) The old clan-name *Lindāi survived in the compound Glinnel, pl. Glinnil, a word only known in historical lore, and the equivalent of Quenya Teleri or Eindar, see the Notes on the Clan-names below. All the Sindarin subjects of King Elu-Thingol, as distinguished from the incoming Ñoldor, were sometimes later called the Eluwaith. Dúnedhil ‘West-elves’ (the reference being to the West of Middle-earth) was a term made to match Dúnedain ‘West-men’ (applied only to the Men of the Three Houses). But with the growing amalgamation, outside Doriath, of the Ñoldor and Sindar into one people using the Sindarin tongue as their daily speech, this soon became applied to both Ñoldor and Sindar.
- Do you mean with "rename to Lindai" to change the name of the page from Falmari to Lindai, which would necessitate to move the page to a page called Lindai? I would disagree with such a proposal based on the Recognisability criterion in the Tolkien Gateway naming policy. In my opinions, most readers are more likely to know the name Falmari from the published Silmarillion than the name Lindai, which is only used once in a footnote in The Nature of Middle-earth. Consistency is another factor in favor of using the Quency name Falmari for the page. We also use the Quenya name Sindar instead of the name that they used form themselves in their own language. --Akhôrahil (talk) 08:35, 13 May 2024 (UTC)