Talk:Second Fall of Minas Ithil

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Latest comment: 8 September 2023 by Lost Númenórean in topic No mention of Orcs?

No mention of Orcs?[edit source]

The article page makes it sound like only evil men took part in the siege, led by the Nazgul.

I highly doubt that was the case.

Orcs had repopulated Mordor by this time. Perhaps not in the tens of thousands, but surely enough to take part in the siege.

Thoughts? Lost Númenórean (talk) 21:35, 6 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Did you read the chapter The Forbidden Pool, which was stated as the reference (reference number 8) after the statement about men before you asked your question on this discussion page? The passage about the second conquest of Minas Ithil in the chapter The Forbidden Pool mentions men and it does not mention Orcs. The page about The Second Fall of Minas Ithil merely states what Tolkien wrote who took Minas Ithil ("But it was takem by fell men [...]"). The article does not make a statement that only men took part in the siege, because the article does not use a qualifying statement, such as "only". There is no need for additional speculation. By the way, the entry about Steward Denethor I in appendix A mentions that in the last years of Steward Denethor I the race of uruks, black orcs of great strength, first appeared out of Mordor. There is no mentioning of Orcs appearing in Ithilien (and Minas Ithil is in Ithilien) before that. --Akhôrahil (talk) 08:32, 7 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Valid points! Thanks for the reply. Lost Númenórean (talk) 16:46, 8 September 2023 (UTC)Reply[reply]