Talk:Tarannon Falastur

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Latest comment: 2 February 2014 by KingAragorn in topic Move?

Move?[edit source]

I'd like to move this, but am not sure to what. I think "Tarannon" is the name by which the character is more popularly known, but "Falastur" is not a surname, but is in fact his regnal name. --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 14:35, 1 February 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I disagree that there's any implication in Appendix A that Tarannon is the "popular" name. It's just his probable birth forename, in the same way that "Albert" was King George VI's "real" name. Mith's basic point is therefore obviously correct. Appendix A makes it explicit that Falastur is a regnal name, not a surname. ("Tarannon took the crown in the name of Falastur 'Lord of the Coasts'.") It is thus as weird to think of him as "Tarannon Falastur" as it would be to rename wikipedia:George VI "Bertie George"
I think it should just be moved to Falastur with redirects from Tarannon. Regnal names should be the PAGENAME for all kings, with redirects present to leverage other names. CzechOut 19:59, 29 January 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
The name Tarannon without Falastur is only used by Christopher Tolkien in the note 7 to the chapter "The Istari" in the Unfinished Tales (p. 401-2) where he resumes the story of the queen Berúthiel, based on some unpublished text of his father. It is not clear if Tarannon is here only used by Christopher or doe it appear in his father's text as well. In the Book of Years (LoTR) only Falastur appears, in the list of the kings of Gondor (Appendix A I ii) the name is Tarannon Falastur without explanations and in the text of the Appendix A I iv the story of the change of the name is explained. In the text The Heirs of Elendil (HoME XII 197) the king is named Falastur in the headline and his former name is mentioned in the commentary. Christopher Tolkien explains that the former name Tarannon "first appears in [ms.] C, though the reason for Falastur is recorded in [ms.] B" (HoME XII 213). According to this evidence I would like to change the name to Falastur even if Tarannon is independently used in the before-mentioned note by CJRT. By the way, there are also Rómendacil I (Tarostar) and Hyarmendacil I (Ciryaher) [and Hyarmendacil II (Vinyarion)] who are first and foremost recorded by their honorific names even if they were crowned using their previous names. --Tik 10:01, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
I agree on making this just Falastur. I can only recall one instance where Birthname Regal Name was used, in the King's Letter, and that was only one instance whereas everywhere else only the regal name was used. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 11:07, 30 January 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
That's fine with me. But I disagree with the idea that only regnal names should be used - by most "popular" we mean most popularly known by the public. The character who became King of Gondor after the War of the Ring is most commonly called "Aragorn" despite the fact that he spent the majority of his life being referred to by his regnal name of "Elessar". --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 10:58, 2 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Who would be so foolish as to think that Aragorn was ever King Aragorn?-- KingAragorn  talk  contribs  edits  email  16:09, 2 February 2014 (UTC)Reply[reply]