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I don't know if you or Morgan already contacted Hyarion, but I've just emailed him about today's spam influx.-- KingAragorn  talk  contribs  edits  email  17:23, 1 February 2014 (UTC)

I completely forgot to do that. I was too busy having flashbacks to a couple of years back. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 17:32, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for all your effort to undo the mess guys, and thanks for the e-mail KA. For the time being I've just shut off new account creation until we implement a stricter process. Although I'm having a hard time thinking of something stricter, manual approval wouldn't even work since it would be sometimes difficult to differentiate solely based on the username. --Hyarion 17:44, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
You may be aware that I am pretty much computer-less at the moment (temporarily boring a PC right now). The way to fix this, Hyarion, is to change the CAPTCHA questions in LocalSettings.php. That will stop them until they figure out an answer. --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 10:54, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

List of Book that inspired Tolkien[edit]

It is difficult to put link sources when I just created the page and was begining to edit including informations, and you delete the page... Be more pacient. Otherwise it will be hard to help this wiki. Unsigned comment by Sigurd (talk • contribs).

Couple of things:
  • Add new messages at the bottom of the talk page. They go in chronological order from old to new.
  • The entire concept is vague. "Books that inspired Tolkien"? Inspired him on what? To write a book? To become a philologist? To write an alternate mythology for England? To write a specific element?
  • As I said, sources. The only source you list is a summary of his personal library, without explaining how this book being in his library inspired him. Unless you have a specific sources that explicitly says Book X inspired him to do action Y, it's just speculation.
  • No content other than a list. The introduction is essentially "Books that have inspired Tolkien are books that have inspired Tolkien".
  • Basic layout and spelling. That's something that you should do before saving the page.
As this is a vague and slippery slope (just as our existing train wreck Inspirations is), it adds nothing at the moment. Without addressing all these points (apart from the first, naturally), I see no point in having it. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 13:38, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
Couple of things:
  • Whatever. If you see the message works.
  • To put links, sources and more informations need time to included.
  • I was working in that page and adding all informations. But is Impossible to do this when someone came and deleted the page... minutes after I began to write.
  • So I think you have to whait some time before going to deleted a page. That is not the first time that you dont have paciense.Unsigned comment by Sigurd (talk • contribs).
While you're putting the page together you can use a sandbox in your user area.-- KingAragorn  talk  contribs  edits  email  16:37, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Battle of the Five Armies[edit]

I'd just come on to change all the links - I'm glad you beat me to it! Thank you! -- KingAragorn  talk  contribs  edits  email  19:17, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Song_of_the_Lonely_Mountain (Talk_Page)[edit]

Please forgive me, I really made a mistake: the confusion occured.So, in this time, could you help me, where can I publish my translation? On the forum?
(From Pnompen)

We're not really the right place for fan translations. Also, what would it help? None of us here knows Russian. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 15:45, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

Copyright Violation[edit]

May I ask why the images I uploaded are copyright violations? I personally asked the artist through deviantART. I asked through a note, so I can send you a printscreen or something. She told me that she does not mind as long as she is credited and it is not for profit. I also asked for these three specific images. --Sandy 15:08, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

I explained what you needed to add on your message wall. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 15:14, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
If you mean my Discussion page nothing new has showed up. If you mean another message wall then I have no idea what it is. Sorry :( --Sandy 15:28, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
My bad i just saw it. Thanks for the info! --Sandy 15:29, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
I know, I have spammed you extensively today, and I'm sorry for that. I just want to be sure that this won't happen again. So, I created the page with the permission; Am I allowed to upload them now? And if so, in the template where it says "Permission for use on Tolkien Gateway" will it be automatically linked to the page I created or do I need to do something extra? Thanks again!--Sandy 15:53, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
You need to add the template like you used to, but instead of DeviantArt, write Kimberly. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 16:15, 19 July 2014 (UTC)


Sorry for trying to help with info. I wont help anymore. I dont know what you mean by "primary source".


Elves infobox[edit]

Yes, you are right about the Longbeards. After all, most of the Dwarven characters in the legendarium are Longbeards.

To return to the topic...As you have no doubt already seen that I created the template for the generic Elven infobox, I think some of the characters from the legendarium should be put under that template: for example: Imin, Tata, Enel and their spouses and many other Elven characters who's nationality isn't determined by any of the writings.

Celeborn would be a good candidate for such a template and few other major characters who have ambiguous histories... Woolly Mammoth 17:08, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Also, please do me a favor and delete the article "Morwë and Nurwë" considering they have no more use on the site.

Woolly Mammoth 17:11, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, a generic/unclear Elf template is a good idea. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 17:11, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Woolly Mammoth, the Nuisance everlasting[edit]

To User:Ederchil and User:Mith - wouldn't it be much easier for you to unblock me than to constantly tidy up my "mess" - I have much to contribute to this wiki - and, as I said before, I SINCERELY apologize for any insult made to any of you, especially to User:Mith. From a more practical perspective, it would be good for you to unblock me - of course, if you do not want to clear up the mess that will be gathering in the following years - I am not a madman - I simply feel insulted by your behavior - I would like to edit this wiki - as I no doubt showed before - and it would be to your well-being (and to the well-being of this site) if I would continue editing this Wiki without any further hindrance. As for the images that I uploaded - I have proof that the permission was granted - although I have not been able to present the evidence to you - but if you unblock me I will - the visual representation of Tolkien's works is to me, at least, an important aspect of his work. That is the reason I am hellbent on including the images, and I spend a lot of time on DevinatArt searching for Tolkien related art, and I am in good relation to other members of that community. This is all for me at the time - and I hope you will reconsider the ban.

Respectfully - Woolly Mammoth! Laurentus 20:48, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

It's "Mess" because you're doing exactly the same we told you repeatedly not to do before. You're blocked. Every time you make a new account, you're evading a block - which is also a blockable offence. You're in the penalty box. You can't just jump back on the ice after putting on a teammate's jersey.
Quite frankly, your "practical perspective"... that's an insult. Not just to me (or Mith), but to pretty much every moderator on all kinds of wikis and forums, everywhere on the internet. If you don't see that, I really can't help you. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 21:08, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

Again ME[edit]

I was just wondering...You are cutting the branch on which you are sitting by consistently blocking my unnumbered profiles. Tell me now...Wouldn't it be easier for you and me to simply unblock me? I have added more "canonical" information to this site than everyone here around.

Take for example Maedhros (which, according to Tolkien's latest use, should be MaeDros) - I have added information which none of your timid fellows has been wont to do.

And by Mith's Pythonesque farewell of "fucking off", I wonder if you, my dear "administrators", hold any supremacy over my "uncivil" behaviour. In the end, I altogether guessed rightly that most of you are, indeed, assholes (or at least you have buried your head in it).

Yours truly...dear Woolly Mammmoth ;).

Your arrogance is truly mindboggling. You were blocked. This ban evasion is also a blockable offense. No matter the quality of your edits, you won't be unblocked.
You're sent to the penalty box. You can't put on a teammate's jersey and get back on the ice. Just because you score a lot of goals doesn't mean that's suddenly okay. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 07:59, 6 October 2015 (UTC)

Tim Burton article[edit]

Why was it deleted? Tim Burton actually DID work on the 1978 Lord of the Rings film. Sure, he wasn't that famous at the time, but he still did artwork for it. We've got articles for fan films, so I don't see why we couldn't have an article for someone that worked on an official adaptation, however minor the involvement was. It just seems like disrepect to ignore the humble beginnings of such a well-known filmmaker, especially since a lot of people weren't all too famous until they were involved in adapting Tolkien's work. EldritchNexus 15:59, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

The only reason he had an article was not because he

worked on LotR, but because he did other, more famous stuff later. We wouldn't have articles on other artists on the movie either. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 16:10, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

So what? We have separate articles for regional translators and for the Inklings, even the ones that probably never even LOOKED at one of Tolkien's books. We even have articles for artists that worked on the Peter Jackson movies and the other two animated films. What makes the 1978 film the exception? If the article seemed like it was just advertising Tim Burton's other stuff, then how about rewriting it so that it seemed more relevant to Tolkien instead of just deleting it? It's like throwing away a perfectly good pizza just because it had an extra topping you didn't want. EldritchNexus 16:15, 8 October 2015 (UTC)
I would argue it's throwing out a pizza because we're a pie shop. The problem is, there isn't much. What exactly did he work on? --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 16:34, 8 October 2015 (UTC)
Well, Tim Burton was uncredited for his work, but it was one of the first movies he ever worked on, so it's to be expected. He was mostly an "inbetween" artist, so I guess that means he did some miscellaneous artwork. Couldn't tell you which ones were all his, though. Also, in response to that "pie shop" analogy, I'd like to remind you that"pizza pies" are a thing.EldritchNexus 17:05, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

--> Okay, here's a compromise: Have the Tim Burton article on this site, but keep it simple, so that it doesn't delve too deeply into his post-LOTR career. Something like:

"Tim Burton (born on August 25th, 1958) is an American filmmaker. He made his film debut in 1978, as an artist for Ralph Bakshi's animated film adaptation of The Lord of the Rings. He mostly worked on miscellaneous artwork as an "in-between" artist and thus largely remained uncredited for specific pieces."
What do you think? EldritchNexus 19:49, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
Not sure on the use of "miscellaneous artwork". In-between artists also needs no quotation marks, it's a normal job description - they're the people who make the animation fluid by creating the art that's in between the rougher, preliminary animation. The finishing touches. It'd be nice to know what scenes he worked on, if that could be found at all. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 20:35, 18 October 2015 (UTC)
A bit of unfinished business: "The only reason he had an article was not because he worked on LotR, but because he did other, more famous stuff later." Hey. Right here. I'm the one that made the article. and I made it based on his work on the LOTR animated film. So don't you dare tell me lies. So what if we don't know exactly what he did? That doesn't his presence any less relevant.EldritchNexus 23:20, 17 March 2016 (UTC)
Okay, can I please just re-do that Tim Burton article or not? EldritchNexus 14:43, 15 July 2016 (UTC)


What's happening with Template:VT2[former link]? Is it useful? --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 12:54, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

I'm not sure what my intentions with it were, but it looks like Template:VT covers the same things, so we can probably do without. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 12:57, 8 November 2015 (UTC)
Done. --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 13:17, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

Vunasti Mamut[edit]

Hello! Ederchil! Despite all my mistakes and insults...I truly regret that...Listen up! T is my favorite badass vilaine! I have spent a shitload of time trying to escape from the inevitable killing machine


Do you think I am a liar(that I am lying to you) or I make some kind of a joke about Bolg? In One Wiki to Rule Them All wiki and in Wikipedia pages about Bolg and the Hobbit film trilogy it is never said that Bolg participated in the Battle of Azanulbizar.Moreover, in the One Wiki to Rule Them All wiki about Unamed Orc Brute it is said that Bolg and this Unamed Orc Brute are separate characters.Also you can check it and in Bolg page on IMDB. So that is why I am asking you to change the page on The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey about Bolg.See: Cast

You believe me that I am not liar or I that this is not some kind of joke? Unsigned comment by (talk • contribs).

You're neither a liar nor a joker. You're simply incorrect. Those three sources you list are, like us, third party sources. We included sources that he was initially cast as Azog, before being recast as Bolg. I'd have to check, but BalrogTrainer mentions he appears in the credits as Bolg. Nowhere was he credited as Gundabad Orc or Unnamed Orc Brute. You're removed two primary sources, and offered none in return. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 11:33, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

Am I disturbing you?BalrogTrainer is right. If you see at the end credits of the First Hobbit film you will find that Conan Stevens is credited as Bolg.This is wrong because in the next two movies Conan Stevens is not credited as Bolg. This mistake the filmmakers should see and fix it.Why didnt they fix it? Do you know any way to contact with the filmakers in order to mention this mistake and correct it? Or anyone else WHO knows about these matters? Unsigned comment by (talk • contribs).

We don't know why they changed it. But the fact remains: he was credited as Bolg (I checked it myself in the mean time). So we list him as Bolg. No reason to list him as anything else. I don't think it was ever fully explained why he was recast. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 20:22, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

No no no.I am asking you if you know how to contact with the filmakers of the Hobbit film trilogy in order to correct this mistake in the end credits of the First Hobbit film or if you know anyone else WHO is expert on that matters. Unsigned comment by (talk • contribs).

Try looking for contact details of MGM or New Line Cinema. However, it wasn't a mistake at the time the movie was released. That was still Bolg back then. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 21:42, 2 December 2015 (UTC)

Peter Jackson cameo appearence in The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies[edit]

Peter Jackson appears uncredited in The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies.He makes a cameo appearence at the end of the third Hobbit film in the painting of Bungo Baggins in case you dont know it.This painting can be seen in the final scene at the Bag End when Bilbo (Martin Freeman) returns home.You can check it on IMDB page about Peter Jackson and in Wikipedia page about Peter Jackson. Unsigned comment by (talk • contribs).

The picture was based on Jackson's face. In fact, that was used back in LotR as well. See our page on Bungo Baggins. It shouldn't be on PJ's page as a cameo because it's not a physical cameo. Do not add it again. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 17:01, 4 December 2015 (UTC)

Lady of the Star-brow[edit]

Thank you so much! I did not know how to make it redirect. I appreciate that. ^_^ Do you know how to change titles on a page? For example, changing the Second Kinslaying to just Second Kinlaying? --Elf-esteem 17:20, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

There's a "move" button, but I've been an admin for so long I don't remember whether this is admin-only or for everyone. Just suggest a move on the talk page. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 18:05, 6 December 2015 (UTC)

Talk:The Hobbit (film series)/Mistakes[edit]

look what I have written in Talk:The Hobbit (film series) about some mistakes.

The of the page The Hobbit (film series) |the First Hobbit film]] and not about the The Hobbit film Project generally. I added the other two IMDB files about the other two movies but they dont appear on screen genrerally.That is why I have added all three IMDB files at the bottom of the page The Hobbit (film series). Why are you insisting on that case? According to the title of the page The Hobbit (film series), that page talks about the The Hobbit film Project generally.So, that means the page is not only about the First Hobbit film.That is why I removed that IMDB file and I didnt remove the Hobbit Blog page. Unsigned comment by (talk • contribs).

What you did didn't work because there is only one template parameter - imdb_id. imdb_id1, imdb_id2 and imdb_id3 don't exist in the template, so adding them won't change anything. A link to the first film suffices. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 18:00, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

Yes. I saw it and that is why I removed the IMDB file from the page The Hobbit (film series) and I didnt remove the Hobbit Blog page from there.Why are you insisting on keeping the IMDB file on The Hobbit (film series);Look at External links of The Hobbit (film series) and see what I have added. Unsigned comment by (talk • contribs).

The first film suffices. Do not add the others again, that doesn't work. Also, IMDb is spelled with a lower case b. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 18:28, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

Why are you insisting on adding in Film infobox of the page The Hobbit (film series) the IMDb file of the First Hobbit film;It is not reasonable, especially since the fact the the IMDb file of the First Hobbit film alrady exists in the external links of the page The Hobbit (film series). Moreover, the other reason is that this IMDb page in Film infobox is only about The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey.That is why I inisist on the fact that this is a mistake. I would suggest you to remove the IMDB file from the Film infobox of The Hobbit (film series). Unsigned comment by (talk • contribs).

It's not a mistake. It's fine as it is now. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 18:51, 16 December 2015 (UTC)

You make a great mistake by keeping this file on infobox of the page, for the reasons that I told you. Moreover,someone else has made another mistakes on the same page.In Content See also of the same page someone has added all The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey tie-in books.I mean these books are mentioned in that content WHO has added these books and Why;What is the point. These books are also mentioned in the page The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey and are related only to the First film and not to the Hobbit film project generally.Why doesnt someone remove these tie-in books from that content;It is not reasonable to exist, since that pages is about for the Hobbit film Project generally.

Won't you say something about it;Won't you say your opinion;


Spam Bots[edit]

Hope everything is going great with you Ederchil! Thanks for blocking those spam bots; just wanted to give you a heads up I changed the new user security questions so hopefully the account creations will subside. --Hyarion 16:50, 24 January 2016 (UTC)

Not much effort. We've had worse. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 17:22, 24 January 2016 (UTC)


Thank you.Because Tolien Gateway mentions the Awards that were won by the people who worked for the The Lord of the Rings (film series) , why shouldnt I do the same the thing for the people who worked for The Hobbit (film series);

No need to explain - that's indeed necessary. We just completely forgot. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 18:12, 29 January 2016 (UTC)


Mike Mizrahi played Thrain in flasback scene in the Extended Edition of The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug.Specifically he portrayed him in [The Battle of Azanulbizar].Thomas Robins played him in the theatrical version.Specifically he portrayed him in Erebor scene (befor the attack of smaug in Erebor) in The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey. Unsigned comment by (talk • contribs).

It might not be wrong, but that was not the reason for reverting it. You added the names without updating the source. That source does not say three people played Thrain. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 18:17, 2 February 2016 (UTC)


Here there is category called <<Category:The Lord of the Rings (film series) cast>>.Why doesn't exist a similar category for the Hobbit film series this time; Unsigned comment by (talk • contribs).

Sign your posts. Also, something that big requires discussion. As you can see, that category hasn't been touched in years, is woefully incomplete, and lacks companion categories (not just The Hobbit, also the previous movies, games, radio plays). --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 21:45, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

Then why there is the category called Category:The Lord of the Rings (film series) cast in Tolkien Gateway;

I asked a very similar question. Not why does it exist, but why should it exist? --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 01:58, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

i have a question. Then why does the Category:The Lord of the Rings (film series) cast exist;For the same reason this category exist, this new categories that I suggested should be added.-- 16:42, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

It exists because it was created, but never filled, and then abandoned. I asked a counter-question - why should that old category exist? If we were to have this for LotR and the Hobbit, we should have this for every last adaptation - and that is overkill. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 15:09, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
Then you have to delete this category(the Category:The Lord of the Rings (film series) cast ), but I dont think this is a bad idea.The opposite one.It's a good idea.For this reason I suggest to be created s similar category, but for the hobbit film series this time.-- 17:42, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
My point is: if we have one for the Hobbit movies (and LotR), we need one for EVERY adaptation, otherwise it's random. And we're not having that. So yeah, I'll probably get rid of that cat soon. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 16:32, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
I didn't say for every adaption of Middle Earth.I talked about only film adaptions.It doesnt matter the kind of adaptions (if these adaptions are animated or live action or if these adaptions are for television-tv movies or tv series-or for cinema).Did you understand what I am saying; Unsigned comment by (talk • contribs).
Did you understand what I was saying? Apparently not. a) SIGN YOUR POSTS. b) I didn't say you suggested that - having counterpart categories is an essential part of categorizing wikis. Having just a category for Hobbit or LotR actors is like just having a category for English or American people. You'll have to categorize EVERYONE, or none. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 16:58, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
I disagree.I would like to explain some things. First, I have signed my last posts.Second what you added right now in pages Christopher Lee , Orlando Bloom and Elijah Wood I didnt think about it.-- 19:32, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
You were repeatedly told to sign your posts. Not just today. Also, what I did (and also what you did) to those articles is irrelevant to the discussion. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 18:03, 14 February 2016 (UTC)
I didn't want to disturb you.Whatever question you want to ask me about that matter, just do it.Ask me whatever you want about the point.-- 01:21, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

Complaint and Explanations[edit]

Fool.Why did you do that? After all I have done? After all the editings that I have done in Tolkien Gateway;This is the way you thank me:By blogging me; If you want to complain about my behaviour youcan discuss about it either on my talk page or on your talk page.-- 01:10, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

Asking for advice[edit]

I may have over-stepped myself trying to help Nienna-eve. I thought they were just innocent mistakes, but a lot of it gets repeated. Direct quotes were changed (with copy errors), infobox pictures were swapped without discussion (Estë, Arien, Tilion, & Nerdanel), naming style has been ignored, and an uncredited Tilion image was uploaded. I've tried to model and explain, but it didn't really help. At this point, I do not want to be seen as edit-warring for continuing to re-edit her work (it's not all bad! but there are things that I've fixed 2-3x already and I'm concerned that's pushing it). So, what do you think? Should I back off and leave it alone or continue to fix it when I see it? --Elf-esteem 03:39, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

I've been a bit absent from checking all RC, sorry. I'll add something, but what you said is correct. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 11:51, 26 March 2016 (UTC)


Is this page really a 'mess'? It includes virtually all the known details about her in the 2 movies in which she appears. --BalrogTrainer 02:31, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

The history section should be in-universe. Apparently, we don't have an "out-of-universe" cleanup tag. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 09:45, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

Upload Permissions[edit]

Hey, Ederchil, could you take a look at my user permissions and see why I'm still not able to upload images? I've been a contributor and user for over 3 years; I'm not sure why I'm still not a confirmed user. And feel free to delete this off of your talk page once resolved. Thanks! -Smog 14:34, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

What kind of error message are you getting? --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 15:19, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
None, I simply do not have the interface option to upload images. I do not believe I was ever autoconfirmed, despite the age and activity of my account. -Smog 16:02, 6 September 2016 (UTC)
Hmm. I can't see anyone as autoconfirmed. Maybe Mith knows more. He's way more technical than I am. --Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 17:01, 6 September 2016 (UTC)