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:This response, I know, comes at a random time--coincident to passing thoughts about the Tuor narrative and a consequent impulse to check my old user page--but thank you for thinking of me. Since I disappeared from the Gateway for college I have completed undergrad (in history and creative writing), started graduate school, and (believe it or not) attained legal adulthood. I'm afraid the Tolkien legendarium, let alone the Gateway, has not occupied my thoughts so much in recent years as it used to, nor is it likely to carve out a substantial space in my life any time soon, but I have good memories of working on Tolkien Gateway, and I am glad to see the site is still alive. If there would be a convenient time to greet various and sundry and catch up a little on chat, I would at least be interested, although it might need to wait a few weeks until the semester is over and I find some breathing space between school and work. My best wishes to everyone. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil]] 16:31, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
 
:This response, I know, comes at a random time--coincident to passing thoughts about the Tuor narrative and a consequent impulse to check my old user page--but thank you for thinking of me. Since I disappeared from the Gateway for college I have completed undergrad (in history and creative writing), started graduate school, and (believe it or not) attained legal adulthood. I'm afraid the Tolkien legendarium, let alone the Gateway, has not occupied my thoughts so much in recent years as it used to, nor is it likely to carve out a substantial space in my life any time soon, but I have good memories of working on Tolkien Gateway, and I am glad to see the site is still alive. If there would be a convenient time to greet various and sundry and catch up a little on chat, I would at least be interested, although it might need to wait a few weeks until the semester is over and I find some breathing space between school and work. My best wishes to everyone. --[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil]] 16:31, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
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::Hello Narfil! It's good to hear that you're doing so well. I'm glad that you remembered us and thank you for updating us with your current situation. I do appreciate all your contributions over the years!--{{User:KingAragorn/sig}} 08:22, 14 April 2012 (UTC)

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Hi Narfil!

I'm the head of the Tolkienian eZine "the voice of edoras". I ask you a collaboration with the eZine. reply to: edoras@alice.it

I'm afraid I'm unaware of what the "Tolkienian eZine" is. Could you please inform me further as to its nature? --Narfil Palùrfalas 18:08, 9 January 2007 (EST)

yeah...an eZine is a magazine legible online. The eZine "the voice of edoras" talk about Tolkien's works, Fantasy generaliter, RPG & MMORPGS. write on my mail, so i can give you the http of the eZine and you can create an idea more clear. edoras@alice.it

Sorry, but I don't have an email account set up currently. --Narfil Palùrfalas 12:50, 11 January 2007 (EST)

you don't have an email??? ...however, if you can collaborate contact me:edoras@alice.it the site is: http://lavocediedoras.altervista.org/ (I hope is permitted to release it^^)

The lack of email is only temporary. Anyway, I'm not exactly sure I understand what you are asking for (Hyarion, do you have an opinion?). --Narfil Palùrfalas 16:26, 15 January 2007 (EST)

Maedhros' mother-name

Hello Narfil. Quick question about Maedhros. You have has mother name as Caitimo in the Sons of Fëanor entry, but as Maitimo in the Maedhros entry. Since I don't have the reference books in front of me, do you remember which is the right entry? Thanks for the help. --Ebakunin 18:41, 27 April 2006 (EDT)

Sorry. Maitimo is right. For some reason I have it in my head as Caitimo, but this is not correct. --Narfil Palùrfalas 20:42, 27 April 2006 (EDT)

Lay of Leithian

One of my current projects is working on the Lay of Leithian-related material on this site. I have thus far carried on the project by myself, finishing up a summary of every Canto on this day. I am trying to type out and post every canto, but it is very time-consuming. I was hoping that others who posses a copy of the Lays of Beleriand might help and finish the task. Also, thanks for the corrections, Ebakunin. --Narfil Palùrfalas 16:48, 6 May 2006 (EDT)

No problem. You're doing all the heavy lifting. I'm just cleaning up the crumbs. --Ebakunin 17:06, 6 May 2006 (EDT)
Hello, your doing a phenomenal job with the articles. I might have some text from the Lay of Leithian I can send you. If you want to either let me know what your email is or click "Preferences" to validate your email and then click to allow email from other users then I can send it that way. --Hyarion 18:18, 6 May 2006 (EDT)

Aulë's Valarin Name

Narfil, would you please double-check Aulë's Valarin name? On my browser it looks like this: A3ûlêz. Notice the number 3. Thanks. --Ebakunin 12:46, 14 May 2006 (EDT)

The number '3' is on purpose; the spirant equivalent of 'g'. See http://www.uib.no/People/hnohf/valarin.htm for an explanation. --Narfil Palùrfalas 12:54, 14 May 2006 (EDT)
Actually I think the 3 was just there because of the inability to render the correct symbol. Aȝûlêz should be correct if I'm not mistaken. --Hyarion 12:57, 14 May 2006 (EDT)
On my browser whatever you put in showed as an empty square. --Narfil Palùrfalas 12:58, 14 May 2006 (EDT)
Odd, the second character is a yogh and renders fine on my screen. I'll look into it. --Hyarion 13:02, 14 May 2006 (EDT)
After some searching, I found the HTML codes for upper and lower case yoghs: Ʒ and ʒ, as in Aʒûlêz. See the edit page for the actual codes ;-)
Edit: I see, though, that the codes don't work on MicroSocks' IE. *rolls eyes* --Earendilyon 15:40, 14 May 2006 (EDT)

More Maps

Narfil, could you make a map of Númenor using MS Fireworks? I really like what you did with Gondolin. Thanks. --Ebakunin 18:23, 11 June 2006 (EDT)

Sure. I'll get to work with that. By the way, don't expect the 3d Gondolin for another week or so. I was rather lazy with it last week. Now its just down to multi-replicating the houses to fit the many streets and roadways. Rather boring but time-consuming. --Narfil Palùrfalas 09:37, 12 June 2006 (EDT)
Done! Tell me what you think. The tree Tolkien drew, by the way. --Narfil Palùrfalas 18:41, 12 June 2006 (EDT)
I like it a lot. One small thing: could you use a standard font like Tahoma or Ariel for region and city names? The fantasy script is tough to read when its small type. --Ebakunin 18:56, 12 June 2006 (EDT)
I was thinking about changing the region font as it is hard to read. But if you do see the map full size the font on the cities isn't that small. If you try it full size and you still don't like it, I'll change it to Times New Roman or Ariel. Any other suggestions? --Narfil Palùrfalas 19:05, 12 June 2006 (EDT)
Love the map Narfil! When you view it at full size the text is fine by me. Keep up the great work! --Hyarion 21:32, 12 June 2006 (EDT)
I'd still like the cities to be in a more regular font. Most people are going to be looking at the map as an embedded image, rather than full screen. Just my two-cents. --Ebakunin 21:35, 12 June 2006 (EDT)
I can do that. But still, in my opinion it would be too hard to read the names as an embedded image even if they were regular font. I didn't think the font was too hard to read, unless it were the region titles, but then I thought it was large enough. But I'll do that. Thanks. Another thing, though. Now I'm wondering if the tree image is a bit much. Unless you view it full size it looks like someone spilled coffee on the edge or something. It would make it less fancy, but as it is a map I suppose that's fine. --Narfil Palùrfalas 21:39, 12 June 2006 (EDT)

User pics

I was just wondering, is it all right to upload pictures for your user page? --Narfil Palùrfalas 08:42, 16 June 2006 (EDT)

Yet again something that I have had on my mind but have yet to come to a conclusion on. I believe in the future we should set a limit to how many non-Tolkien images can be uploaded but as long as you are using them on your user page, and you don't have 100 of them on there, and your not using the site as an image hosting service (like uploading them but linking to them from other sites and not using them on pages here) then I think we are fine as space is not a problem. --Hyarion 10:31, 16 June 2006 (EDT)

Years Articles

Hello, go ahead and hold off on converting any more year articles. I was playing around with the Fourth Age last night and unfortunately it doesn't seem like we'll be able to do my 'include trick' I was hoping to. I'm kind of liking having the titles non-abbreviated, although Years of the Lamps 100 does seem rather long. In the end I suppose we can always have redirects to all of the non-abbreviated titles. --Hyarion 11:36, 27 July 2006 (EDT)



I just noticed that yesterday, July 29, only one person edited - and that was a non-member signing the Google petition. Is that supposed to tell us something, do you think? --Narfil Palùrfalas 12:24, 30 July 2006 (EDT)

Early return

Welcome back! Just was curious the reason for your early return, I hope you're vacation didn't get spoiled. It's glad to have you back though. --Hyarion 22:18, 11 August 2006 (EDT)

No, it didn't get spoiled. You see (or, I suppose, you do not), we have five children in my family, all younger than I. We had rented a small cabin in the woods (well, within a stone's throw of seven other identical cabins), expecting to be there until the thirteenth. But all of us were practically bored that time (and it rained a little), so we saw no reason to stay any more than two nights, which we did, and returned to spend the rest of our vacation time taking trips from the home. So, I'm technically still on vacation, though no longer away from my computer all day and night. I'll probably be gone much of today, but I'll be back tonight. --Narfil Palùrfalas 08:52, 12 August 2006 (EDT)

Image categorization

Hello Narfil, good idea on classifying those images. Do you think a category for images created in Bryce/Fireworks/etc may be too much? What do you think about a CG images or Computer generated images or CGI or something similar category? Otherwise we'd have to add Maya/Photoshop/Photodraw/Paint/etc. Just a thought. --Hyarion 02:24, 13 August 2006 (EDT)

You're right. But I do think we should distinguish between what, for instance, Bryce does, which is computer generating, and what Fireworks does, graphics, which is like Photoshop only more vector-oriented. --Narfil Palùrfalas 18:29, 13 August 2006 (EDT)

Moving page

  • I knew about the talk page moving as well so dw lol. And yes i have, i've been at home alot with nothing to do :'( Jasca Ducato 15:38, 4 September 2006 (EDT)

Wanted Pages

Hi, I've been looking through the Wanted Pages lately in an effort to expand the Wiki. I noticed that a whole lot of wanted articles come from empty links to things in your fanfictions and such. Would you mind clearing these up yourself so they don't clutter up the Wanted Pages? It's your work so I don't want to alter it. Thanks. Tar-Telperien 19:28, 7 October 2006 (EDT)

I'll do that right away. --Narfil Palùrfalas 19:34, 7 October 2006 (EDT)
Done. The only links to non-existing pages are actual Quenya/Sindarin words which need an article anyway. By the way, it is usually accepted to put new sections on talk pages at the bottom of the page. It doesn't really matter, but it helps to keep things in order. --Narfil Palùrfalas 19:47, 7 October 2006 (EDT)
Thanks a lot, and thanks also for making me aware of this. I assumed new discussions were put on top of the page because that is how it is usually done on the internet (consider message boards, emails, etc.). I'll put new comments on this wiki on the bottom in the future. Tar-Telperien 20:17, 7 October 2006 (EDT)

TG Chat

Hi... I think you have heard about this before, but this wiki has a chat room in which people can more easily discuss editing plans in real time. I (and Hyarion too) would very much like to see you there! If you don't want to go to the trouble of installing an IRC client, and have Java on your computer, the Chat link on the side of this page will take you to the chatrooms. It's really easy to use. Hyarion and some others are nearly always around to talk to; he really likes having people there se he can discuss his plans for the wiki. Since you're one of the main editors, it'd be great to have you around for these discussions! I also admire your work and would like to be able to talk to you. Tar-Telperien 02:33, 24 October 2006 (CDT)

I haven't used it primarily because I don't know how to. I've never used anything like it before. --Narfil Palùrfalas 08:09, 24 October 2006 (CDT)
Hey there Narfil, I had a feeling that's why we never have seen you in there :) It's very easy and quite addicting, you definitely need to give it a try. Just use the Java link, sometimes it can take a while to load but a prompt will come up, just click yes you trust the applet and then you'll be automatically connected to the main channel. You can then chat, you can also change your name by typing "/nick Narfil". When we have a few more active editors we can setup weekly meetings to discuss the direction of the wiki and various other aspects. Sometimes chatting can be a lot easier than having to use talk pages. --Hyarion 13:15, 24 October 2006 (CDT)

Welcome template

The w template is a bit awkward and to display it right you actually have to type {{w|Narfil Palùrfalas|[[User:Narfil Palùrfalas|Narfil Palùrfalas]]}} The first "variable" before the | is the link to your talk page and the second "variable" after the | is what is displayed as your signature. I'll have to fix it so the default Narfil Palùrfalas, welcome!

Hello and welcome to Tolkien Gateway. I hope you like the place and choose to join our work. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

I hope you enjoy editing here and we look forward to your future edits. By the way, you can sign your name on Talk and vote pages using three tildes, like this: ~~~. Four tildes (~~~~) produces your name and the current date. If you have any questions, see the help pages, add a question to the Council forums or ask me on [[User talk:{{{1}}}|my talk page]]. Keep up the great work! — {{{2}}} just doesn't display a signature/talk page link. --Hyarion 22:03, 25 October 2006 (CDT)

Edits

hello, I have been told by Tar-Telperien and Hyarion that you have great knowledge regarding Tolkiens works,and all your articles confirm this.And I completely agree with what you have said about Gil-galad.

I do no wish to start an edit war with you.I only changed the Gil-galad's geneology because I thought that people who have read the Unfinished Tales and The Silmarillion would be under the impression that Gil-galad was Fingon's son,and I think I would be right to assume that most people do not know about the 'mistake' that Chris Tolkien made.And to them it would seem that Tolkiengateway is posting wrong information.

I am sorry if I have offended you in any way by editing your articles.But all I wanted to do was match the informatio that is present here with the information that is given in the books.

--Legolas

Perhaps, Narfil, in every article you write that contains a reference to Gil-galad's parentage, you should have a note at the bottom of the page with the citations you gave Legolas. He can't be the first person to have become confused about it. Furthermore, please try to be less confrontational in the future. I'm sure he had no intentions of starting an "edit war" with you, and bringing such terms into your conversation with him created far more friction than necessary. --Tar-Telperien 00:56, 11 November 2006 (EST)
I apologize if I sounded accusing. I did not believe you wanted to start an edit war, I just didn't want that to happen. By "edit war" I meant when two or more people constantly change the same article back and forth because of their interpretation of the facts. I thought the best way would be to post the references. Please understand that in no way did I think you wanted to start an edit war. I was not offended, but I apologize if I offended you. I'll try and add a footnote to the article (if I can figure out how to get that template to work). If you wish we can move this discussion to the Gil-galad talk page on how to fit the various scattered pieces of information into it. --Narfil Palùrfalas 21:04, 11 November 2006 (EST)

Speaking of that Gatekeeper thing...

Your Quenya is good but not quite "correct" (though it is from a certain point of view, see below). The main part I'm talking about is the phrase *Tirno Otya Andon, "Keeper of the Seventh Gate" (the asterisk marks a construction not attested in Tolkien's writings). The suffix -n was indeed Tolkien's marker for the Quenya genitive for some time, but while writing The Lord of the Rings, he switched it to -o, and -n became the dative ending instead. This change was apparently in effect for the rest of his life; as far as I know there is no record of Tolkien using any other suffix for genitive after changing to -o. Thus, your phrase would actually mean "Keeper for a Seventh Gate", in Quenya as later envisioned by Tolkien.

So what happens to the genitive if the word to be inflected ends in -o already, you ask? It was simply hidden and implied by the context—an attested example is Indis i Ciryamo, "The Mariner's Wife". Ciryamo is in the genitive here, but since it already has the agental suffix -mo, we don't see the genitive marking. It is merely inferred from the context. Also, from this phrase it also seems that the definite article i was used in genitive constructions.

Thus, if I were you, I would translate "Keeper of the Seventh Gate" as *Tirno i Otya Ando.

As for the sign itself, I quite like the coloring, it looks nice. However, I think the "G" in "TG" could use more of a stroke; it looks too much like a "C". —Tar-Telperien 22:15, 13 November 2006 (EST)

I know about the "G". I'm going to change it next time I upload.
Thanks for your input on the Quenya. I can't speak Quenya, and most of my declension comes from Ardalambion. Are there any other examples of the definite article i in Quenya? --Narfil Palùrfalas 07:55, 14 November 2006 (EST)
There are several in Helge's wordlists; look up i in the Quenya list and THE in the English list if you are interested. I shall quote a section most relevant to our discussion, taken from the English entry: "When a noun is determined by a following genitive, it is evidently optional whether it takes the article or not: mannar Valion "into the hands [lit. simply "hands"] of the Lords", Indis i Ciryamo "The Mariner's Wife, *The Wife [lit. simply "Wife"] of the Mariner" - but contrast I Equessi Rúmilo "the Sayings of Rúmil", i arani Eldaron "the Kings of the Eldar"."Helge Fauskanger
(The reason the inflection appears as -ron in the last example is because that is the plural genitive for words ending in vowels (Elda in this case); -ion is the plural genitive for words ending in consonants—hence Silmarillion, "Of the Silmarils"!)
So apparently, using i in genitive phrases is not required per se, but appears more often than not. Also, I hadn't bothered to verify your use of otya for "seventh" until I was looking at these lists to get that quote! I discovered that the Quenya word for "seventh" is actually otsëa instead! So that would require another change to your translation: it would most likely be *Tirno i Otsëa Ando (which in speech would probably be elided as "*Tirno i Otsë' Ando"), actually. Sorry for not checking that earlier. —Tar-Telperien 15:07, 14 November 2006 (EST)
I got the Otya from here, again an Ardalambion site. --Narfil Palùrfalas 17:31, 14 November 2006 (EST)
Ah. But notice that Helge says in that document that these numbers and ordinals are unattested formations, created by analogy with attested examples—and that was true, at the time. Otya was indeed a good guess based on what was published when he wrote that document. But it is out of date; otsëa (and probably the other ordinals as well) has been attested in Vinyar Tengwar 42, which was published relatively recently, clearly after he wrote that document anyway. When in doubt, go with the information in the wordlists: they are quite complete, are updated often, and only show attested information. —Tar-Telperien 18:20, 14 November 2006 (EST)

Main Page/Development

Hey there Narfil, if you get a chance I could use some help over on the new page, specifically with the new portals, I want to make sure they are at least not entirely under construction and at least have a new color scheme when we launch the new main page, hopefully on the day The Children of Hurin is released. --Hyarion 15:32, 1 April 2007 (EDT)

I'll go look at that. That day is coming up soon, isn't it? At least this gives me a somewhat easier project. I was not looking forward to the amount of work needing to be done on the "Witch-king of Angmar" and "Arda". Still, I suppose I'll do it some other Saturday or Sunday if I don't get to it today. By the way, on those articles I mentioned, do you think a complete rewrite would be in order? In my opinion it would be easier and probably turn out better. If I have the chance today I'll write out a draft (or drafts), post it here, and see what you think. --Narfil Palùrfalas 15:40, 1 April 2007 (EDT)
Thanks, and it is coming up very quickly, Beren and I are working non-stop trying to make sure the Release Party goes smoothly, hopefully we'll have some new editors after that. I think we need to rewrite most of the articles, including the two you mentioned and I agree it will not only be easier but turn out better. Thanks for all your hard work! --Hyarion 15:46, 1 April 2007 (EDT)

Positions and occupations

Seems like a good catergory to me. Findegil 09:28, 22 April 2007 (EDT)

Back from Israel, and Image suggestion

The chat hasn't worked for me today, so I'm just saying here that I've returned from my three-and-a-half-week trip to Israel, and should resume regular editing in a few days. I got an idea on the trip, as to images. Is it a good idea to upload images of real-life places that look like what we'd imagine Tolkien places to look like and place them on that page? We have images from films which is often essentially that. For instance, I've taken several pictures of the Rephaim valley, which just had me the entire time thinking of Dorthonion. Is it a good idea, or do you think it might get out of hand? I think it could very well get out of hand if we had a lot of people uploading images of dozens of places that remind them of what they'd personally pictured such and such to look like, etc. On the other hand, though, it might be quite beneficial. What are your thoughts? --Narfil Palùrfalas 21:09, 6 June 2007 (EDT)

Hyarion, do you have an opinion on this? --Narfil Palùrfalas 15:54, 10 June 2007 (EDT)
Sorry, I read this but forgot to respond. Actually working on the java client right now, should be up today or tomorrow. My first impression was the same as yours, that it would probably get out of hand with images only remotely resembling their Arda counter-parts. I think real-life images of locations around England that may have inspired Tolkien would be a good idea, but unless something is just dead-on, we should probably stick to imagery specifically created to represent Tolkien's world. --Hyarion 16:13, 10 June 2007 (EDT)
The Java applets should now be working again. Sorry about that. --Hyarion 14:21, 16 June 2007 (EDT)


Rejig of The Fall of Gondolin

Hi there, i was just browsing the Fall of Gondolin article and i have a bit of a criticism of it, which i fealt you, being the major author (so i've heard), thought i'd come and voice them with you and get your blessing before i go in and bugger things up. My criticism is that i think the bulk of the text reads too much like the actual source it's about. The problem with that is that it can be confusing since people who havnt read the text (which i hadnt when i first came across the article) could take it as being quoted rather than summerised. I would favour rewriting it in a far more detached style so as to make the destinction clear. Part and parcel of that criticism is the fact that most articles on battles are decidedly more concise omitting any dialogue whereas the Fall of Gondolin features it extensively.

I'm trying to word this very carefully since it's plainly a tour-du-force of article writing but feel it could be better done differently. Dr Death 13:17, 20 June 2007 (EDT)

Feel free to rewrite it. I was younger at the time (it makes a big difference around my age), and had some different ideas. I agree, it was an overall poor summary. I actually was considering redoing it completely myself. Go ahead and do what you like with the article. --Narfil Palùrfalas 16:28, 20 June 2007 (EDT)

Spammer(s) at it again

Narfil,

Pardon my language but we need to find some way to ban these **** spammer(s)!!!--Dwarf Lord 17:26, 9 August 2007 (EDT)

I'm sorry, but I'm not an admin, and really have no power over things like that. Hyarion's in Washington, but when he gets back, you can post something on his page. --Narfil Palùrfalas 21:24, 9 August 2007 (EDT)
I'm back :) Thanks for holding down the fort guys. The spammers are most likely coming from a single source which uses random IPs so there isn't much we can do to block them if they don't insert external links (we have spam protection against bots that add external links). We'll be adding better prevention systems in the future, but at the moment I don't want to force all the anonymous users to type a captcha. --Hyarion 14:30, 10 August 2007 (EDT)

Template:Hobbit

Allo Narfil, I see your point in the Race being redundant in the Hobbit infobox, but I don't think it's necessarily a bad idea, it adds some extra information to the minor Hobbit articles, otherwise the infobox just lists their name and gender. But I'm fine with it either way. --Hyarion 15:14, 3 October 2007 (EDT)

I think we should try and think up some way to have each infobox specify which race it belongs to other than just color. If we don't see a way, it would be good to add "race", but not as a variable. --Narfil Palùrfalas 16:50, 3 October 2007 (EDT)

Gandalf Article

Hello there. I am curious why you think this is better:

"Representatives of most of the free peoples attended, those who happened to be in Imladris already for various reasons."

I changed it previously because it appeared to be poor grammar and inaccurate and misleading.

Yes they 'happened to be there'-- all were 'summoned' in various ways. As written however it could be misinterpreted by casual readers.

Would you approve "... , some happened to be in Imladris already"?

Cheers Glorfindel Mk. II

Hmm, the reason I changed it was because I felt it was misleading. Elrond never summoned them; they had come to Rivendell for various reasons and "just happened" to be there at the time of the council (i.e., divine will).
"That is the purpose for which you are called hither. Called, I say, though I have not called you to me, strangers from distant lands. You have come and are here met, in this very nick of time, by chance as it may seem. Yet it is not so. Believe rather that it is so ordered that we, who sit here, and none others, must now find counsel for the peril of the world."
Elrond, The Council of Elrond
You are no doubt aware of this quote, but I just wanted to have it up front. I am sure we can work out the best phrasing for this piece. You are right, the structure of the sentence as I wrote it is rather awkward. I don't like "some happened to be in Imladris already" because it seems to say that Elrond literally called people to his council, and some, well, happened to be in Imladris already. As I said before, I'm sure we can work something out. Of course, it's rather insignificant in the article as a whole, and isn't even necessary if we don't want it there. --Narfil Palùrfalas 20:18, 15 October 2007 (EDT)


You are correct that they were all there by 'chance' (as Gandalf might say) and not summoned so to speak. JRRT is obviously implying that the Valar and/or Eru had a hand in this 'coincidence.'
I was thinking of when Elrond upbraided Sam for his presence at a council to which he was not 'summoned.'
Perhaps it is not required anyway as this is the article on 'Gandalf' and not 'The Council of Elrond.'
Cheers Glorfindel Mk. II 18:39, 16 October 2007 (EDT)

Seven Gates of Gondolin

Hey Narfil, if you can spare some time then will you please draw the images for the remaining three gates of Gondolin? I have written the articles for them.--Legolas 10:01, 21 October 2007 (EDT)

Sorry about that, I'll try and get that done. The other remaining gates are considerably more difficult than the others. You can go ahead and post your articles if you like, because I daresay they'll be a while in coming. --Narfil Palùrfalas 12:54, 21 October 2007 (EDT)
Hello Narfil, the Image of the Gate of Silver is excellent. Very nice job.--Legolas 01:04, 24 November 2007 (EST)
Thank you. I've actually benefited somewhat from its rather strenuous making. Now I know how to do trees in Bryce. . . The Gate of Gold will be coming (hopefully) soon. --Narfil Palùrfalas 10:48, 24 November 2007 (EST)

Canon Scale Images

Hey Narfil, the canon scale images are great. They're useful and look good. However, do you think you could upload somewhat larger versions? At present they are difficult to read. —Tar-Telperien 07:08, 29 November 2007 (EST)

IRC

Allo Narfil, long time no chat. Hope you're having fun at school. I see you stopped by the chat earlier, dangit, of course I was sleeping :) We've just about got enough IRC-wiki editors where I think we'll be setting up weekly meetings, is any time good for you or do you think you'll be busy with school? Happy Holidays. --Hyarion 13:22, 19 December 2007 (EST)

Greetings, Hyarion. It's been a good while since we've talked. Well, I'm not sure I'll have much time to edit after the Christmas-New Years break is over, but I'll try. I am not available Monday, Thursday, or Friday nights, and it's on-off Sundays. Saturday, Tuesday, or Wednesday evenings would probably work for me. I'll have to see what my schedule looks like later. --Narfil Palùrfalas 15:45, 19 December 2007 (EST)

You should probably know

Brythonic and Old Welsh aren't Germanic languages.

Yes, thank you. That was a mistake on my part, and I'd forgotten to change it. I appreciate that you caught that, though. --Narfil Palùrfalas 21:20, 1 March 2008 (EST)

Meetings

Hi! I just wanted to draw your attention to here. We are currently discussing the idea of a weekly site meeting. Thanks!-- KingAragorn  talk  contribs  edits  email  18:15, 7 August 2008 (EDT)

There is a question on the elven discussion board that I suggest to you you answer.

Since in part that you have such a advance knowledge of tolkien as you claim to be and that it hadn't been answered yet (well somebody else kind of did but I think that's not justiable enough.)and so forth. Thanks.

Pallando images

If you say they're Merlin, I very much feel like deleting them... I'd rather have no picture than an inaccurate one. -- Ederchil (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 20:45, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Maedhros' portrait

Hi! You've got a portrait of Maedhros uploaded as unknown, I was going to edit info but I think it's better if you do it yourself. This image (direct link to original) has been done by Ivanneth, fantastic artist and author, check her art, there are more treasures hidden on her page. It would be great if you correct the information and added wiki about her, including her portfolio link. Regards! --Sirielle 20:14, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

It looks like it's already been taken care of. Thanks for letting me know, though. --Narfil 15:50, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
Yes, I did it after I got instructions what way to do it - Ederchil helped me with it and fixed things I messed.--Sirielle 01:39, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

Re: Fall of Gondolin screenplay

Hi Narfil, My greatest apologies: I haven't been here for quite some time andsubsequently missed your message. However, the edits you suggest are all splenid ideas. If you see any more, by all means- go right ahead. Again, my apologies for bing so late on this; if such a situation arises again, feel free to forgo my consent.

Thanks for the edits as well, they're really good.

Meeting - Sunday 5th September

Hi, Narfil! I know you haven't edited in a very long time, but this is just a quick message to inform you that we are holding our next Meeting on Sunday, 5th September 2010 at 7pm UTC. Whether you are or aren't able to attend, please sign your name on the here. It would be really good to see you around again - do come on Sunday! --Mith (Talk/Contribs/Edits) 18:17, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

This response, I know, comes at a random time--coincident to passing thoughts about the Tuor narrative and a consequent impulse to check my old user page--but thank you for thinking of me. Since I disappeared from the Gateway for college I have completed undergrad (in history and creative writing), started graduate school, and (believe it or not) attained legal adulthood. I'm afraid the Tolkien legendarium, let alone the Gateway, has not occupied my thoughts so much in recent years as it used to, nor is it likely to carve out a substantial space in my life any time soon, but I have good memories of working on Tolkien Gateway, and I am glad to see the site is still alive. If there would be a convenient time to greet various and sundry and catch up a little on chat, I would at least be interested, although it might need to wait a few weeks until the semester is over and I find some breathing space between school and work. My best wishes to everyone. --Narfil 16:31, 13 April 2012 (UTC)
Hello Narfil! It's good to hear that you're doing so well. I'm glad that you remembered us and thank you for updating us with your current situation. I do appreciate all your contributions over the years!-- KingAragorn  talk  contribs  edits  email  08:22, 14 April 2012 (UTC)